Atlanta Hawks: L.D. says ‘commitment’ to transition D still lacking

Talking to his players in the huddle at the end of practice, L.D. summed up the Hawks’ performance against the Grizzlies for his players: “We didn’t play play great. We didn’t play good. We were about average.”

The turnovers weren’t surprising because it was the first exhibition game and the Hawks were focused on running the new motion offense. They forced some passes because they haven’t mastered the reads and timing required to take advantage when defenders overplay the passing lanes.

Less acceptable to L.D. were all those baskets the Grizzlies scored in transition as they came back from 23 points down in the third quarter.

“My challenge to them is going to be on the defensive end and making sure we don’t give up easy transition baskets,” he said. “How we do that is make the commitment to getting back and getting our defense set. We didn’t do that in the third quarter.”

Don’t want to overstate things here. It was the first exhibition game for a team trying to develop a new offensive identity. L.D. sent out lineup combinations that will never be seen again once the games count in the standings. The Hawks played pretty well in the first half even with rotation guys Jamal and Mo out and guys deep on the bench playing significant minutes.

Still, giving up a 17-0 run and 42 points in that third quarter has to be disconcerting no matter the circumstances.

“We played pretty well in the first half, then we got [sloppy] in the third quarter,” Smoove said. “That’s where we lost the game. We are a veteran ballclub. We can’t allow a team to come in here and come back from 20 points no matter who is out there.”

Again, I’m not trying to get too caught up in the first exhibition game. But this is the time for evaluation and correction for the Hawks, and that third quarter reminded me of all those times they blew second-half leads on the road last season.

The familiar elements were there: their offensive execution and shot selection deteriorates, their turnovers lead to easy points for the opposition and then their effort and spirits sag as everything goes wrong.

“I saw it,” L.D. said. “That’s just something we are going to have to learn to work through. It’s not going to happen overnight. The unfortunate thing is you get in those type situations and you develop bad habits. You read body language [and] you see things aren’t done at a pace that is going to put pressure on the defense.

“That is something I am going to have to stay on top of them about, learning how to work through adverse situations. The tendency is to kind of drop your head and your energy level goes down. It has been identified, clearly.”

L.D.’s video session was all about that third quarter. He showed players how they weren’t sprinting to cut off fastbreaks or, when they did get back, they weren’t protecting the basket on the ball side to prevent easy shots and give the defense a chance to regroup.

Al wasn’t buying the idea that poor offense led to bad defense.

“I think it had more to do with effort,” he said. “For some reason, our guys were ball-watching too much. We have to start getting back. There is no excuse for giving up layups and dunks. The first half we did pretty good [but] the second half it was like we stopped playing.”

Injury report

Josh said he will be out for a week or so due to a cut on his right hand. He has his fingers taped together and a wrap around the stitches.

He said he sliced the hand on the rim but didn’t realize it until a couple possessions later.

“It’s still a little tender,” he said. “It will be OK.”

Jamal (back), Mo (knee), Josh Powell (groin), Twin (leg), Etan Thomas (Achilles’), and Pape Sy (back) also sat out practice today.

Jamal said he’s not sure he will make the trip for the games at Detroit Monday and Washington Tuesday.

Al said he’s still limited by the left ankle injury he suffered early in camp.

“We figure we will take it slow since the ankle is still sore,” he said. “So I figured just play hard the first half and shut it down in the second.”

MC

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SteveW

October 8th, 2010
10:43 pm

I think this is the quote from Al Horford you guys are looking for. It is from MC’s July 9th blog:

“We need to get another big guy, another center, that’s able to help myself and Josh out,” he said. “We need to have someone to come in and have an impact. I think that is the position we need if we want to be any type of contender in the East.”

So Al said if we wanted to be any type of contender in the East, we needed an impact Center. “Any type” to me in this context means “come close” or something akin. Dampier is still unsigned, and he would be the closest thing available to an impact Center still on the market. This was Al’s words. He could have just a “contender in the East”. But he didn’t. He clearly felt we needed an impact Center to come close. Etan/Collins/Powell do not fit the bill. I hope Al was wrong. But he’s the guy playing the game every night, not me.

So by not signing an impact Center (Al’s terminology), we are not going to be any type of contender in the East, at least according to Al. And with Jamal possibly pouting, that doesn’t bode well either. But Al will go to war with who he’s got, and I like that attitude. And I agree with Northcyde – really no scheme involved in not getting back on D, it’s just laziness. They learned about getting back on D in Middle school.

Big Ray

October 8th, 2010
10:43 pm

I have no problems with Larry Drew. He’s doing what he’s supposed to do. His job is to change the coaching approach, and he does that by simply being himself.

I think it’s reasonable to expect him to influence this team and it’s issues. I think it’s unreasonable to expect him to FIX the player rooted issues by himself. The players have to commit to doing things the right way. Or, it won’t get done. Kudos to Big Al for calling it like it is: lack of effort (on defense, as usual).

Two things:

Big Al, now you’re a captain. What are you going to do about it? Raise your voice in practice, in the huddle, in games? Be loud, be demanding, lead by example. Cajole your teammates until they are shamed into doing what they should, or simply because they wish you would STFU already. Whatever it takes.

As for Larry Drew fixing bad habits…he’ll lead the herd to the water hole. I have no doubts of this. But if you want to know who your horses really are, look and see who takes a drink at the water hole. Thorobreds always drink. JACKA$$ES always stand around, not drinking and complaining of thirst…and looking like JACKA$$ES.

Section 303

October 8th, 2010
10:45 pm

Fundamentals, season way too long to worry about a preseason game. I understand what you’re saying…the bench guys have to be ready to contribute. And, I think they will. Like Michael said, the combinations used last night will probably never be seen again (I hope, anyways!)

Don’t forget, lots of positives last night. Don’t know if you were there, but I think you would have liked what you saw from Teague. He was really good. Good ball movement for MOST of the night, too.

They’ll be fine. A team of vets. They will probably coast a bit during preseason games. Good for them, I say. I don’t want any major injuries during these games that mean nothing.

Big Ray

October 8th, 2010
10:47 pm

SteveW ,

Yeah, I remember that article. Al said what he said. But when he said he’d go to war with whomever he had, I hung my hat on that. That’s a warrior’s attitude. Long as he keeps it, I won’t begrudge him a very well-educated opinion on a position we have been playing tiddly winks with for so long.

Maybe Zaza will prove to be a better warrior than in years past, now that his “head is clear.” Maybe Etan will be able to help out effectively for more than a minute or two once in a blue moon. I don’t know. What I do know is that we have a batch of unknowns in the paint, outside of Horford (who has work to do of his own), and Zaza (a better attitude does not mean less flopping or a sudden ability to be an effective defender of the rim..or even the paint).

SteveW

October 8th, 2010
10:52 pm

BTW – I disagree with Al. I think we have a shot if Jamal or his replacement plays well, and Teague develops. Also, very few injuries.

Ramon

October 8th, 2010
10:52 pm

Fundamentals

October 8th, 2010
10:57 pm

Big Ray’s got my point. Captains should step up and lead. Preseason or not, it’s time to put it together. Will the rest of the team to gel and work LD’s system. The alternative is to punk out yet again in the playoffs where we, the dedicated fans, dream it’ll all come together.

It is preseason, but every day is a new opportunity to put things to rest.

ryan

October 8th, 2010
10:58 pm

I will give them a chance but with Howard and the big three its going to be a long season .

Grandad

October 8th, 2010
11:02 pm

northcyde

Passion for one’s craft and being “emotionally invested”
in a team are two completely different principles.

doc

October 8th, 2010
11:12 pm

ok, i argued long and hard for yi, only i wasnt the one standing up with the yi sign. jhan and ando can attest to it. i wasnt disheartened in the least by the al pick but was by the acie one. felt once again we were trying to be very vanilla in our picks. i still think my argument for yi was sound since we needed a really big guy who could carry the ball away from the offensive basket and i still think it would help us. i havent given up on the big guy either just acquiesce that al is huge for us and yi couldnt fill those shoes.

Grandad

October 8th, 2010
11:14 pm

SteveW

There’s a difference between a center who can have an impact
and an impact center.
example = Shaq -could- have an impact?
2nd exp = D.Howard is an impact center!
Just to clarify.

*Dampier fits into the “might” possibly have an impact.
However, there must be a reason no one has signed him.[reckon]

2 FOR JOHN DREW

October 8th, 2010
11:16 pm

Big Ray
Spot on,my friend !

Grandad

October 8th, 2010
11:20 pm

doc

I would love to see Yi in a Hawks uni.
He fits my composite of a [stretch Big].
Yi could play [3] on Off. -&- 5 on Def.

Melvin

October 8th, 2010
11:23 pm

funny that folks are given doc a hardtime about Yi and the Wiz are considering signing him to extension. Heck, he may get his extension before Horford… SMH…

“Amid Wall/Arenas focus, Yi Jianlian’s solid start ignored. Heard this week extension for Yi by Nov. 1 deadline “under consideration” by Wiz Twitter”

Melvin

October 8th, 2010
11:29 pm

Another guy I see get drag thru the mud but I thinks he’s a solid player is Roy Hibbert…. check out some of these comments about him.

“”Roy Hibbert has had one of the best summers I’ve ever witnessed in my years of coaching,” said O’Brien, who has been in the business 31/2 decades. ”

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101008/SPORTS04/10080353/Pacers-Hibbert-surprises-teammates-with-transformed-body-improved-game

Grandad

October 8th, 2010
11:42 pm

Jamal not playing @ all???
I wonder??
Is a trade in the works?
Not playin’, to prevent an inj that would be a deal breaker.
Makes me wonder.

Now Paps, he seems to have some sort of mystery back-ache?
LD didn’t even know when he would return?
I was really, really looking forward to seeing him play.
Would like to know what we have??

O'Brien

October 8th, 2010
11:54 pm

Ramon, Steve w,

Thanks for posting the article. Al said if we want to a contender, we need a bigger Guy to help him and Josh out.

I’m ok with that comment though. Especially since he said later on that he is ready to go to war with whoever we got.

Ramon

October 8th, 2010
11:55 pm

@ Grandad, it’d have to be a trade that the Hawks truly feel comfortable in, if they’re that scared of it.

Ramon

October 8th, 2010
11:57 pm

O’Brien, he said that 3/4 months later when he didn’t have a choice but to goto war with who he has. But as I said, a team that basically has 3 all stars can’t be a contender now? Al Horford is a better CENTER than Luc Longley ever was. The need is for more perimeter defense than interior defense.

cp

October 9th, 2010
12:04 am

Good post at 10:43 Ray.. I still think the Hawks should go after Dampier. I just don’t think Collins or Thomas will give the team enough…Melvin the thing about Yi is that he is inconsistent. He has always had stretches where you can see why he was drafted so high then he will go in terrible cold spells where he is flat out terrible on the court. Maybe this is the year he puts it together but I guess only time will tell. I also hope Law continues to play well and get some significant pt. Ive always thought he just had some bad luck. I think he was playing well at one point here then got hurt. Then he had the family issues with his grandfather then he gets traded to a team where the coach wanted to play him at the forward position. Then he gets traded to two teams who didnt really need another pg. This is his chance because I just dont see it in Conley.

Big Ray

October 9th, 2010
12:15 am

Melvin ,

I remember the whoopins that Horford gave Hibbert all last year. And I was loving every minute of it. So pardon me sir if I don’t see Hibbert as underrated. Not one bit. He was a project. Only, he might turn out to be better than Brendan Haywood some day.

Now here’s where I get to put on my hypocrite hat: I’d take Hibbert over every big man we have not named Al or Josh. Ya heard? :lol:

Big Ray

October 9th, 2010
12:15 am

2 FOR JOHN DREW ,

Thanks!

CP ,

My man. Whatz good?

Big Ray

October 9th, 2010
12:21 am

CP ,

Law had some injury/toughness issues, in my eyes. But he also had some issues with where he was playing. I think he needed to toughen up mentally, and the adversity probably helped him grow through that. Now teams are looking at him again as a guy who can contribute in the NBA. Funny how Larry Drew said he was an Acie fan this whole time. Hmmmm. I can think of some other things to say, but I’m not gonna dwell on the past. I hope the best for Acie, Conley has limits, as you say.

But check it – both guys will serve well to fire each other up. It’s a situation I wanted us to have. Two young pgs who could push each other to be better. Either Conley establishes himself as a starter, or Law does. Meanwhile, we pin our hopes on Teague. Because we have no idea what management will do if he doesn’t pan out, and we know Mike Bibby is “past it.”

Melvin

October 9th, 2010
12:30 am

Melvin

October 9th, 2010
12:37 am

Ray,

I think Roy is going to surprise a few people this year. Checkout the box score against the Magic tonight. Not a great night for Howard. I noticed he got his shot block 3 times and I noticed Roy had 3 blocks. Hmmm….

http://www.nba.com/games/20101008/ORLIND/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011000027

Big Ray

October 9th, 2010
12:42 am

Melvin ,

Hey, if it’s like that, then it’s like that. Big ups to Roy changing his game….drastically. Still hope Al serves him a whoopin’ though, LOL. I only have one caveat: Brendan Haywood has had similiar games against Dwight Howard. Indiana’s problems lie elsewhere, just as Washington’s did (when they had Hawyood).

In the meantime, seems we can never get our hands on somebody big enough to give Dwight those kinds of problems. Maybe Collins will get it together enough to give Dwight the fits. He has the size. Last year, he lacked the mobility altogether.

[...] team defense is still an issue for the Hawks, as evidenced in their 115-111 to Memphis. For all those hollering about Larry Drew’s [...]

vava74

October 9th, 2010
4:26 am

Rod,

Picking up on the last blog.

Although I disagree with your opinion on Marvin (whilst agreeing that his mental attitude is not right) since for me the jury is still out and we may still get good production out of him, I would not even flinch if we managed to package him for ‘Melo.

‘Melo is tier 1 talent and he could be a good #1 for us with JJ being a terrific #2. However, I would not trade for him using either Smoove or Al.

HOWEVER, I disagree with some of your commentaries:

1. ‘Melo has attitude issues: he does not bring his A game every day (in particular on D where he can do a good job but most of the nights opts not to).

‘Nique never had real attitude issues: his main problems were that he really did not know how to play D (even when he tried, which was often) and that he partied too much, even before huge games which caused him to fade late in the game.

Even so, I am nitpicking. I have been watching some playoff games between ATL and the Celts and there is no way that ‘Nique should have been excluded from the “Historical 50″.

He was super human and his game would remain 100% effective today.

2. Talent alne is not enough and your (9 out of 10 stat is way wrong): you cited SA and the Lakers as examples of bigger talent assemblies which was decisive in stopping ‘Melo from going further in the playoffs, saying as well that Utah has been playing a motion offense and going nowhere.

You are dead wrong here: Utah has been going pretty far with the limited talent that had (low payroll and some injuries and miscast/low effort players like Boozer played a factor in some bad seasons) AND SA and the LAL have paired TALENT WITH MOTION TEAM ORIENTED OFFENSES.

The triangle offense in LAL has been decisive in harnessing and giving purpose to Kobe’s talent and only when he embraced it and shared the rock things started clicking.

SA is another example of talent being coupled with ball sharing offensive sets: I lost count of the number of games where I marveled at looking SA play team ball to the point that they even passed too much when they had good shots just to get everyone involved.

So, coaching definitively is essential and with coaching we are talking about: TEAM PLAY not ISO (which is ‘Melo’s preference).

Finally, also on this point, when Utah had the talent, they went to the finals twice and lost to the best Bulls teams ever.

3. In relation to the teams you mentioned that have a better starting 5 than us… I’ll just say that you are forcing the issue, just forcing it…

rudy

October 9th, 2010
6:13 am

the hawks will be one of the worst teams this season…no chemistry or jamal crawford….

dap01

October 9th, 2010
7:33 am

I hope Jamal is really hurt. He seems to be sulking.

SadDawg

October 9th, 2010
9:41 am

“That is something I am going to have to stay on top of them about, learning how to work through adverse situations. The tendency is to kind of drop your head and your energy level goes down. It has been identified, clearly.”
**********************************************
Wouldn’t the best way to “stay on top of them,” be to sit their butts on the bench when start this crap. Surely there are players on the bench who will give 100% effort . . .

Keep it Real

October 9th, 2010
9:43 am

Wow one preseason game and the negative comments are raining on this blog..

The Hawks will be good this year….. Josh Smith is the key he must come to play everyday…

Fundamentals

October 9th, 2010
9:59 am

Keep it Real = I’m with you, but your comment is just as negative as mine were. We’re talking about same ole same ole vs special by knit picking. They’re that close to really becoming something special.

doc

October 9th, 2010
10:16 am

well ray, first it is acie, then shels. how is chills doing this preseason, anyone, know?

when is marvin going to have his preseason breakout game or was that it on thursday?

Samuel

October 9th, 2010
10:23 am

Karma is a mutha. No injuries the last few years and all of a sudden, here they come. You guys are the ones who said that the coach was the main problem, now you’re saying he can’t fix certain things. Duh. Face it we have decent talent but definitely not championship material.

You can forget about Jamal giving us anything the rest of the season. Some of you say the Hawks are in the driver’s seat. Not really, we’re paying this guy a lot of money to sit on the bench or stay at home when we could get somebody else in here to replace him. I say get whatever you can for him right now before this thing gets worse.

I wonder too if Al is saying all this to the guys faces and not just the media. We have 3 freekin captains and still the same problems. Just saying.

doc

October 9th, 2010
10:29 am

comments on installing an offense in miami:

Bosh said the Heat are still installing their offense.

“We’re just playing out of movement. I think that’s the best basketball to play. We’re going to have set plays. But most of the time we’re just going to be out there reading each other.”

if labron can win 60 in a season with what he had in the past what will they do with three of the top ten players in the league on the same team? all three are top three in their positions to the most skeptical or their worst days, even.

Ken Strickland

October 9th, 2010
11:21 am

I’ve stated on a couple of occasions that while LJames and DWade are excellent help defenders, when allowed to roam, their one on one DEF is very weak. Add CBosh’s poor DEF, and Miami’s big 3 will have to score a lot of points. Their DEF certainly won’t be able to limit the scoring of teams that aren’t intimidated by their star power.

There’s another factor that we have to consider in the coaching change, the draft. Whether some of you want to admit it or not, part of our draft woes were due to Woodson, as well as BK. Unless forced to do so, there was no way he would accept drafting a rookie PG, hence we passed on drafting CPaul, DWilliams, and every other PG.

ALaw was BK’s decision, and Woodson showed his displeasure with the choice. He was finally put in a position of having to finally address our PG issues, and drafted Teague. Last yr JTeague was given extended mins and opportunities during preseason, the final regular season gm. This yr he’s been given extended mins and opportunities in summer league and our 1st exhibition gm. And in each instance, we’ve seen him consistently produce and show what he’s capable of doing.

He’s proven that last yrs inconsistency and lack of production wasn’t due to a lack of ability, maturity or confidence, but a lack consistent mins, opportunity, support, and confidence in him from his former HC. With LDrew as his HC, and with the commitment, support and confidence he seems to have in him, the only thing now standing in Teague’s way of becoming a quality PG in this league, is Teague himself.

Does anyone care to try and predict what his PPG, APG, SPG, RPG, and number of fouls per gm he’ll draw, as well as FT attempts he’ll generate? He could end up revolutionizing our PG position on both ends of the court. Let’s face it, the preferred starting PG’s over the last 6yrs, RIvey, TLue, AJohnson, RIvey and MBibby, are all either slow, one dimensional, nonathletic, lacking in DEF ability, and/or the ability to penetrate and break down DEF’s.

I have to admit, I honestly believe that any of the PG’s we’ve had over the last 6yrs would be better backups to Teague than Bibby.

Samuel

October 9th, 2010
11:43 am

It’s some sweet Koolaid when a person is finding all the reasons why a team with 3 top 10 players won’t win and at the same time projecting a team with 1 top 25, a top 50 and a bunch of scrubbs will win the east. Koolaid with sugar an inch thick at the bottom of the glass. LOL!!

Ken Strickland

October 9th, 2010
11:44 am

DOC-Lebron won 60 gms with Cleveland because he was allowed to totally dominate the ball and almost every aspect of their OFF, and provide help DEF, rather than playing one on one DEF. And, it was the same for DWade. Now, both will have to play more one on one DEF, which is a weakness for both, and both can’t individually dominate the ball or the OFF throughout the gm like in the past. The overall individual production of all 3 will be reduced.

To get the needed OFF production out of the big 3 throughout the season, all 3 will have to log heavy mins, because they aren’t going to scare anyone defensively. While some of you seem to see nothing but roses when it comes to Miami and the big 3, when it comes to their bench, the drop off in every respect is astronomical.

They definitely don’t have anything on their bench to even remotely approximate Jamal Crawford, and they’d be hard pressed to come up with a match for MEvans and Zaza. Their bench is rather slow, old and methodical. Watch as see, PRiley is going take over the HC duties as soon as he sees an opportunity. And he’ll wear the big 3 and the team down further with his demands and intense practices.

Samuel

October 9th, 2010
11:54 am

LD>Pat Riley LOL!!

doc

October 9th, 2010
11:55 am

ken what you forget is both wade and labron dont mind sharing a bit as their assist numbers are up there. wade doesnt protect the ball well is the only negative. they will have some games with close to 15 dimes this year maybe in one game together. mark my word. they also both play defense. bosh has some hench men to back him up.

Ken Strickland

October 9th, 2010
11:58 am

SAMUEL-You obviously don’t have an extensive knowledge of how basketball works. I don’t care how many top ten players you have, if they don’t function as a team, they won’t win it all. Tell me SAMUEL, how many top 10 players did the Lakers and Celtics have on their respective teams? And how did each team manage to make it to the NBA finals without having 3 top 10 players? Hell, you couldn’t say there were 3 top 10 players on both teams combined, yet they both managed to do pretty damned good, AND SO CAN/WILL THE HAWKS.

You’re trying to put all of these limitations on the Hawks based on your individual limitations and lack of overall knowledge and understanding of basketball.

Samuel

October 9th, 2010
12:07 pm

Ken,
I admire your optimism. Whatever works for you dude but optimism is one thing and down right ignorance is another. Only time will tell but hey, do your thang. Stir that Juice.

Samuel

October 9th, 2010
12:25 pm

Ken,
Over the past 20 years, how many teams have won a title without at least a HOF coach or two or 3 AllStars/HOF players. Hawks have “ZERO” of either.

doc

October 9th, 2010
12:37 pm

ken … “They definitely don’t have anything on their bench to even remotely approximate Jamal Crawford.”

we may not either. ;-)

i dont need to denigrate the miami team to make us look better. we have a good team, just not the caliber that can be better than the wiz were in their heyday of finishing forurth and getting only to the second round. it sounds nice but it isnt what i want to see. the GM has already declared he hopes we can remain fourth. that is his bar. why do you think he would want us any higher right now, work that hard for it and spend the necessary money and even expect it, but you seem to? it is about the money. if the miami team needs something along the way riles will get it. us? we will look for mario again.

Section 303

October 9th, 2010
1:12 pm

Guys, time to take some time away from Hawks talk. Today belongs to the Michigan State Spartans!! “Little Brother” going to end the Michigan lie today. Go GREEN!!!

bubbamumf

October 9th, 2010
1:14 pm

THAT’S RIGHT SECTION 303. GO GREEN GO WHITE!!!! AND OF COURSE GO HAWKS!!!!

doc

October 9th, 2010
1:17 pm

MC, seems i lost a post here, please check.

MsDee

October 9th, 2010
1:25 pm

Samuel and who ever constantly finds negativity on the Hawks,

Just like you guys sees the negative, Ken S. and myself chooses to see the positive..that’s all. There’s no Kool-aid drinkers here to be positive on what we have NOW going on with the Hawks, such as the new OFF, new HC and what he has in store for the players, the development of Teague and Marvin with this new system. And if we are Kool-aid drinkers to be positive, then you guys must not be Lemonade, but LIME drinkers cause yall face must HAVE to turn-up while being SO NEGATIVE ALL THE TIME when it comes to the Hawks!

drmaryb (*_*)

October 9th, 2010
2:16 pm

Ken Strickland

Just sit and watch, much of what you say will manifest in the
very near future. This team does still have a ways to go to
prove that last series will not re-occur and repeat itself ever
again. Demanding – Effort, isn’t asking too much.

Ms. Dee,

I am with you guys. I never drank kool-aide (too much sugar for
my taste). But, I do drink from the cup of optimism quite frequently.
I am cautiously optimistic about our team this year.

I would rather wait and see what happens before stating my
observations. I really hope our team performs well and compete
for the OBRIEN TROPHY this year!

Let’s Go!