Atlanta Hawks: Al Horford welcomes long stay in Atlanta as extension negotiations begin
Hawks, Horford begin negotiations on contract extension.
Over the next few weeks the Hawks and Al Horford’s agent, Arn Tellem, will work on the terms of a contract extension beyond 2010-11 for Atlanta’s All-Star center.
That’s the money side of the equation, and Horford said negotiations are in the early stages. After considering the other factors that play into his decision, Horford said he would like to stay in Atlanta for the long term.
“How do you see yourself with the team?” Horford said about his thought process. “Do you think the team is going the right way? Obviously, you have to factor in do you like the city you are in, [do you] get along with the guys [teammates]?
“All those things favor me because I feel like we are in a good position. We’ve been playing together. This is my fourth year with the team, and I love the city of Atlanta. So I am just waiting to see what happens with this whole thing.”
Horford is set to make $5.4 million in 2010-11, the final year of his rookie-scale contract. The Hawks have until Nov. 1 to come to terms with Horford on an extension that starts in 2011-12 and can be for up to five years and about $82 million under current CBA rules.
If the sides don’t reach an agreement by then, Horford would become a restricted free agent next summer if the Hawks extend a one-year, $7.1 million qualifying offer by June 30. The Hawks would then retain the right to match any offer sheets signed by Horford.
Hawks GM Rick Sund, citing his policy of not speaking publicly about players’ contracts, declined to comment on negotiations with Horford.
Horford, 24, was the No. 3 overall selection as an early-entrant prospect out of Florida in the 2007 draft. Eastern Conference coaches voted him to his first All-Star team last season and new Hawks coach Larry Drew recently named Horford as a tri-captain along with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.
This summer Horford, who is undersized by NBA center standards at 6-10 and 245 pounds, said the Hawks needed to add an “impact” center to be a contender in the East. The Hawks ended up signing free agent centers Jason Collins and Etan Thomas to veteran’s minimum contracts.
But Horford said he’s looking forward to Drew’s plan of playing him at power forward alongside Zaza Pachulia, Collins or Thomas.
“I think with Coach Drew’s new mindset, he plans to play me more at the four, which is encouraging to me,” Horford said. “I am happy about that. Obviously I still would like to play center, but if I can spend more time at the four, that would be great.”
MC
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SteveW
October 3rd, 2010
11:33 pm
Northcyde – and I do agree with you – it must matter to Al about playing 4, or he wouldn’t keep bringing it up. I could see Al being a dominant 4 in this League. I read somewhere (hoopinion? I think) our best lineup was ZaZa and Horford on the court together – had a +5.3 when this happened. Sure wish we would have signed Damp instead of Collins, especially with Josh losing weight and shooting the midrange. But I still say Josh is a natural 4 also.
I agree with most everybody else on this blog – we really have 2 PF’s starting. But I don’t buy Marvin as a 4. His body type is not suited to the 4. I hope he’s suited to be a 3!
Melvin
October 3rd, 2010
11:38 pm
Noah agree to an extension…
The news about Noah comes on a day when the Bulls learned that Carlos Boozer, their top acquisition this summer, broke a bone in his right hand in a fall at home and could be out about two months.
The Chicago Tribune reported the deal is worth about $11 million annually with incentives that could take it higher
SteveW
October 3rd, 2010
11:44 pm
Melvin – Al is probably worth a little more than that – I guess we’ll see…
northcyde
October 4th, 2010
12:34 am
SteveW . . . no doubt. In my playing days, the football/basketball player types always gave me problems while playing PG. Here I was trying to guard some other PG who may have bee my height, but was 40 – 50 lbs heavier than me, and built to play football more than basketball.
This is why some folks on here just don’t blow off Al’s comments. It’s almost like when a smoker says to a non-smoker . . “Do you mind if I smoke?” News flash to smokers: AL NON-SMOKERS MIND THAT YOU SMOKE . . but out of cmmon courtesy, we may say “no, go ahead”.
This is Al as a center . . “No, I don’t mind if I play center . . but if you give me a choice, I’m playing PF.”
Al is a non-smoker who tolerates smokers.
truthspitter
October 4th, 2010
1:07 am
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5646081
ESPN is reporting Noah is getting $60 million. As stated above Al should get atleast 5 year $65 but I am starting to think it could be more like $70 million. Either way, get it over we so we can see what Sund is made of how he handles getting something good back for Jamal.
Clyde
October 4th, 2010
1:12 am
Vin Baker > Horford
Najeh Davenpoop
October 4th, 2010
4:55 am
Horford’s agent is not going to accept a dime less than what David Lee got.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 4th, 2010
4:58 am
At least, that’s my guess. Horford is coming off a season where he got picked for an All-Star spot over David Lee, and although Lee scores more points, Horford gets less touches than Lee, is just as efficient, and is widely regarded as being a much better defender. I don’t see why Soulja Boy Tellem would ask for anything less than the 6 years/$80 million Lee got.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 4th, 2010
4:59 am
I’m not saying that Horford necessarily does or does not deserve that money; just saying that his agent could make a pretty solid case for him deserving that kind of money.
Rev in Tampa
October 4th, 2010
7:17 am
truthspitter, I’ve appreciated all your posts from last night. Very insightful.
vava74
October 4th, 2010
7:38 am
Yes, Clyde, specially in that essential characteristic which an NBA player must truly excel: binge-drinking.
Vin Baker was a pretty decent player with a more polished offensive game that Al but he could not guard his own shadow and was a lazy underachiever.
O'Brien
October 4th, 2010
7:46 am
Najeh,
The max Horford can get is 5 years, $82.5 mil. But you’re right. I think his agent will be looking for the max.
And I dont blame him. JJ got a max 6 year deal, no hometown discount, so I can see Al pushing for the max too. Especially since he feels like he is playing out of position.
I hope 5 years, $70 mil will be enough to get the deal done though.
dap01
October 4th, 2010
8:00 am
Al would not be a top level PF.
MsDee
October 4th, 2010
8:14 am
Ok blog family, who all will be attending the ‘Meet the GM and Head coach LD’ tomorrow? I will be there..
i_am_soulstar
October 4th, 2010
8:50 am
Ms. Dee,
I’ll definitely be in attendance. I wonder if Rick Sund will answer my submitted question.
I asked if they’d hire me to piss Jeff Teague off in between quarters and during timeouts, seeing as how he plays more aggressive when he’s angry. I cited my experience pissing people off, so *fingers crossed*
O’Brien,
Arn will look for a near-max deal, but I think both the Hawks and Horford know that he isn’t a max player. Plus, it’s all about the market. JJ might have been able to get away with a max deal because of the market during the summer, but Horford isn’t dropping 16 million a year numbers, will be a RFA, and probably doesn’t want his income to be a victim of the CBA.
If Horford gets anything above 5 years, 65 million, the Hawks are either financially irresponsible, or Tellum has a mouthpiece comparable to the late, great Johnny Cochran and/or A Pimp Named Slickback.
Considering that Horford would only become a RFA and the current state of the market (CBA and all), The Hawks shouldn’t have to
Big Ray
October 4th, 2010
8:57 am
I only hope Al does whatever it takes to become the warrior we need him to be. Because that starting center type we keep yapping about? It’s him. It ain’t anybody else on this roster. Sorry.
And we ain’t getting somebody else’s starting center with some stupid trade suggestion (Marvin, Jamal, Bibby, and whatever). Ain’t gonna happen. Al says he’s going to war with what he has. Then become a warrior, for only warriors go to war.
By the way, Al is 6′9.75″ in shoes and weighs about 245. Dwight Howard is 6′10.5″ or so in shoes, and weighs about 270, every ounce of it is muscle, starting with those massive shoulders.
Big Ray
October 4th, 2010
9:02 am
The one quibble I have with all of this is the idea that Al is “demanding” things. Since when? Yes, we’ve heard plenty about him “talking” about playing PF, and that does bother me when it comes to Josh being on the floor at the 3 spot, to an extent. But I’m not seeing where Al is asking that somebody be brought in to replace him at the 5, so he can play at the 4. He originally asked for somebody to “help me and Josh out”, so I don’t think he’s looking to kick Josh around the curb. But what the hey…it’s more fun to speculate and make up ish than it is to address the real issue.
Horford’s gotta get up for this, even on the nights he faces Dwight. Period.
And whoever suggested that Josh has had to move positions 3 or 4 times to accomodate others has lost their mind. Josh has been at the 4 since he came into this league. Never changed.
Big Ray
October 4th, 2010
9:03 am
This is Al as a center . . “No, I don’t mind if I play center . . but if you give me a choice, I’m playing PF.”
Al is a non-smoker who tolerates smokers.
LOL. I gotta say, that’s as good of an analogy as there is for the situation…
i_am_soulstar
October 4th, 2010
9:08 am
Also, I think that with Noah getting inked for about 5 years, 55 million plus incentives, this shapes the market as well. I give Al the edge in terms of who’s better, but these are still very comparable players.
And with a 20-10 guy like David Lee getting 6 years, 80 million (about 13.3 mil a year), I just don’t see anything above 13 million/yr happening for Big Al.
vava74
October 4th, 2010
9:23 am
i_am-soulstar,
great posts. I am rooting for you to get the job.
great pick up on the fact that Lee’s contract is 80 million for SIX years and not for 5.
if we look at Noah, 5 at 11 per (average) and Lee, 6 at 13.3 per, I think Al should get a maximum of 5 at 12 and call it a day (the 70 million I mentioned above).
Anything above that is a foolish demand and would be a foolish decision by the management.
Next summer there will not be a lot of cash around and Horford must realize that any offers will be for him to play CENTER and not PF.
i_am_soulstar
October 4th, 2010
9:24 am
Big Ray
October 4th, 2010
8:57 am
“I only hope Al does whatever it takes to become the warrior we need him to be. Because that starting center type we keep yapping about? It’s him.”
Indeed. He plays the position well against everyone except Dwight, but folks are too narrow-minded to see that this can be said about at least 26 of the other 28 starting centers in the league.
And Al could step it up in the weight room, but Dwight is still an athletic freak of nature.
I think the importance of point guard play truly goes unnoticed. When you have a driving, slashing point guard who can distribute and stop the opposing team’s PG from facilitating, it will make all the difference in the world, especially against teams like the Magic.
Astro Joe
October 4th, 2010
9:25 am
OB, the comparison between Al and Joe is unfair. This is Al’s first contract after his rookie deal, Joe just signed his 2nd. Al is a 1X Al-Star, Joe 4X. Al has never averaged more than 15 points in a season, Joe has been a 20 point scorer for what, 4-5 years? Al’s peers in terms of contracts are guys like Noah, David Lee, Lamarcus Aldridge and Al Jefferson. Not Joe Johnson.
I believe that Horford fired his previous agent late last season and hired Tellum (Joe’s agent). We can assume that Horford hired Tellum with this contract in mind… so he likely won’t accept anything less than the full value for an All-Star big with strong leadership skills and a pristine public image.
i_am_soulstar
October 4th, 2010
9:29 am
vava74,
Thanks man. I agree, the Hawks hold all the leverage here.
Teezo
October 4th, 2010
9:38 am
Looking at what Noah and Lee got…Its only fair that Al got the numbers between them both only b/c Lee has earned it and Al is getting there and Noah is not as good as Al in my eyes…5 years/70-75 mil is more than enough…I don’t see Al being as greedy as JJ, but hey, who knows…Peace…
ILL-Logical
October 4th, 2010
10:17 am
*And whoever suggested that Josh has had to move positions 3 or 4 times to accomodate others has lost their mind. Josh has been at the 4 since he came into this league. Never changed.*
No, I have my mind right..wait,it was here a minute ago.
Josh was drafted as a small forward(3); played some shooting guard (2) as well the first yuear. When Marvin was drafted ,he was shifted to power forward(4). Two years ago, the previous head coach played him at the center postion when the team played small ball.
My point, instead of developing the young-he was 17 draft day-athletic but raw talent, the coach just kept on the floor because of his superior athletic ability. And the team continued to draft players at his postion in the first round: Marvin; Sheldon and Al in successive years.
Now, after being named runner up for defensive player of the year; the youngest and shortest player to reach 1,000 blocks in his career, the team decides that they must accomadate the wishes of ASA and move Josh around again. And remember, he gained 20 ilbs and traained with Hakeem the dream on his own when the switched him to the 4 in anticipation of the great things that Marvin was going to bring.
So while I may be mentally challenged,you can check the record.
OJ SIMPSON
October 4th, 2010
10:26 am
Big Ray,
Al Hortford is not a center, he is a PF..The Hawks have the smallest front line in the NBA…Twin and Pachulia should play alot..
Is Morris still on the team?
KevinM
October 4th, 2010
10:37 am
This team will be limited as long as we have a frontline of Al/Smoove/Marvin. Facts are facts. Until the ASG decides to go get some rebounders and backline defenders, the best you can hope for is the last 2 year’s scenario.
Al and Smoove are power forwards, fact.
Marvin is a lower tier SF, fact.
We are counting on Zaza, Collins, Thomas for defensive purposes, fact.
LD has his hands full getting this roster to win on the road when its critical.
And OJ, Morris is in China. http://www.allkyhoops.com/2010/08/former-kentucky-big-man-randolph-morris.html
Mz. Hawkdafied
October 4th, 2010
10:38 am
Al Horford is a pf/c or c/pf. My point is he plays both positions for the ATL Hawks. Just good to know the ATL Hawks are on the path to keeping Triple Threat together (The Core).
Keep the Boss in the A. Go Hawks!
Mz. Hawkdafied
October 4th, 2010
10:42 am
Fact, Al Horford plays the center position for the Atlanta Hawks.
Opinion, “LD has his hands full getting this roster to win on the road when its critical.”
The 2010-11 Hawks squad have yet to play a game.
KevinM
October 4th, 2010
10:59 am
Playing center doesn’t mean he is a center. If you want to stay in the same position you are today, Al is a center. He isn’t stopping Dwight, and he isn’t going to be big enough for us on defense against Boston or Miami.
Keep thinking that we can go further with this lineup, but this lineup isn’t better than Denver, and you know Denver isn’t going to the Finals of anything.
I remember people coming here saying we are going to make people match up against us. Well, isn’t that what Nelson did at Golden State with Ellis and Curry? What they have is 2 guys who can’t defend many.
niremetal
October 4th, 2010
11:12 am
Ray,
Fixed:
Because that starting center type we keep yapping about? It’s him. It ain’t anybody else
on this rosterin this league.Jody
October 4th, 2010
11:17 am
KevinM,
Great posts.
Mz. Hawkdafied
October 4th, 2010
11:22 am
Mz. Hawkdafied great posts. (LOL)
JoJo the Godfather
October 4th, 2010
11:48 am
KevinM…I have a hard time understanding why having 2 of top 10 PF’s in the league is a bad thing (IMO)…Especially when one has the ability to play the 5 better than the majority of the centers in the league, and both are 24 and getting better every year…This team is not likely to go from second round lunch meat to the finals in one year, but replacing the coach, extending our core players, and developing our young draft picks is a step in the right direction…Your view that this roster is seriously flawed is not shared by me…Would I love a legit 7 footer and an all-star PG?…Sure I would…But last time I checked, neither was available, at least not for the assets we have to offer.
Also, I fully expect to see a lot of this lineup against Orlando & Boston: Teague, Joe, Josh, Al & Za Za, with Crawford, Crawford & Evans backing up the guards, Marvin off the bench at the 3, and Thomas & Collins backing up Za Za…The firepower from the guards to either get penetration or hit from 3, and Josh & Al’s ability to knock down the 15-20 footer will be the key.
Mike is back
October 4th, 2010
11:51 am
MC, I think it’s a great move by the ASG…to go a head and get AL…locked down. The thing about AL is…YOU KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO GET…he’s going to give you maximum effort night and night out…PLUS he has the talent, the skills and the intangibles to be a Super Star in this league.
This guy is a winner…dude goes out and battles the BIG BEHEMOTHS of the league…on a nightly basis. We can argue whether he is a true center or not…all day long…however, as his game continue to evolve…he will have the ability to play the PF and C positions very effectively…for years to come…AL will be looking for MAX dollars…you can count on it.
I think the fact that AL will be better matched against his opponents this season…bodes well for his overall game…especially his defense…I pay the man…and lock him down.
i_am_soulstar, excellent point on your 9:24 am post
i_am_soulstar
October 4th, 2010
12:03 pm
The memory of the fan is short by nature, often crowded by images of a player’s most recent performance.
Marvin was ranked #27 among NBA Small Forwards last year in terms of PER. And we loathe him and include him in every possible trade scenario for it.
But the year before that, he was ranked #11.
I bet Sund’s mindset is to wait and see if Drew’s system allows Marvin to get back to his 08-09 form, and then decide whether to ship him out or not. If he gets back to 08-09 form, I think we will indeed have a formidable frontline.
Astro Joe
October 4th, 2010
12:06 pm
I wonder if the fans of players like Dave Cowans and Bob Lanier argued for the better part of their 12+ year career if they were “true enters”? And then they looked up and those guys were being inducted in the HOF. I’d rather have Horford playing center for us tham Dalembert or Nenad Krstic, and there are more guys like Dalembert/Krstic out there than there are D-12 and… uh, well, like I said, there are more Dalembert/Krstics out there than the one and only D-12.
O'Brien
October 4th, 2010
12:14 pm
Horford and Josh are our best options right now, because its not like there is another all star center available. So Al needs to be ready to hold it down every night.
And when we meet up with Orlando, it might require tag teams, but thats ok. At the very least, we have enough bigs to play Dwight one on one (foul him everytime if you have to), and our other guys can stay on the shooters.
After reading some of the posts and thinking about it some more, I think 5 years, $65 mil is a good number for Al.
i_am_soulstar
October 4th, 2010
12:16 pm
Thanks Mike.
GT Alum
October 4th, 2010
12:30 pm
Wonder how Crawford feels about the Hawks working on Horford’s deal apparently ahead of his. At least, it would seem to indicate who they think is more important to the team.
KevinM
October 4th, 2010
12:35 pm
Jojo, I am not knocking the talent on this team, but I am knocking the talent that isn’t on this team. Seriously, when you start considering Zaza, Collins and Thomas as the best available, then there is nothing to discuss further.
When you need someone to back up Marvin because there is no depth there, you don’t come out and say watch out for the 53rd pick in the draft. That comment about bringing Marvin off the bench? It isn’t realistic. I thought Mo might light a fire under him when he came here, but have wised up since.
There are flaws in this roster and flaws that could have been covered over better than they have. Since we have 2 of the top 10 PFs in the league, then shouldn’t we have ammuntion to balance out this roster with Jamal not being considered a long term asset here?
OBrien, I agree with you….Al and Smoove are by FAR our best options. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be trying to go to the next level, which we aren’t it appears, because of the cap excuses and the undying love of the core. If we had Brandon Roy here with JJ, I would be asking for a more balanced lineup instead of 2 potential all-stars playing the same position.
Its about balance at every position, something we don’t have at the 1, 2, or 5. We have 2 2’s, 2 4’s and the rest is complementary. That is how I see this roster.
LD has his hands tied, and if you are satisfied with ok teams that make the playoffs and win a round or 2, then all is good. But if LD doesn’t further this team by going another round with a team who has been there enough times now, then it is an unsuccessful season.
Finishing 3rd in your own division isn’t considered a huge accomplishment.
The Truth
October 4th, 2010
12:54 pm
From Al own words:
“I’ve been adjusting to it (playing center) since I got here, so obviously I would like to play a little more at the power forward position, which is my natural position. But I’m OK with still playing some at center,” explained Horford to HOOPSWORLD.
We have probably beat this horse to death about Al playing center over the last 2 yrs. during his rookie contract and perhaps if we paid a dollar for every argument that was created we would all be broke by now. But as Al’s agent opens contract negotiation talks with the Hawks about an extension for the next 5 or so years worth perhaps 70M plus dollars, then much of these debates will be cleared up. Why, because the job title he will be re-applying for calls for a full time center position, not a PF. The PF job position is already filled. In this scenario, if he accepts the job as a center, he can’t claim to be a victim of circumstances anymore if expectations are not met. No matter how much he tries to publicly alter the job title, the center job description is quite clear. In the NBA, you, me and everyone’s mother knows what that means. We need him to be a center, not a PF. Josh Smith, Josh Power, Zaza and Etan all can play PF. I wonder would Sund pay 70M for another starting PF when we already have one or even a backup with as many as we have. If Al isn’t trying to stir the pot with his rhetoric, then exactly what are his intentions making these constant suggestions? If LD plays Al more at PF and less as center, he would be under-utilizing his other players while over-utilizing Al. This will only be a good idea until Al gets injured (God forbid) after he signs his 70M plus extension. Then it’s a terrible idea because our deep PF depth wasn’t exploited.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 4th, 2010
1:01 pm
Where’s My Grammy?
KevinM Said:
“Its about balance at every position, something we don’t have at the 1, 2, or 5. We have 2 2’s, 2 4’s and the rest is complementary. That is how I see this roster. ”
Aye …. I’ve been saying that for years and ain’t nobody gave
me no Grammy!
-Little Richard-
drmaryb (*_*)
October 4th, 2010
1:18 pm
MRI don’t Lie!
ESPN reports Michael Vick had a MRI this morning and he has no
fractured rib bones, but there is a crack in the sternum cartilage
and ligament damage.
Now, you guys have all heard the expression,
” A sprain is worse than a fracture – right?”
He would have been better off with a fracture, the blood flowing in
the bone marrow speeds the healing to 6 weeks standard recovery
time. When you damage the white “shiny’ meat (cartilage and ligaments),
that is far worse. Because, there is no blood supply filled with nutrients
to facilitate the speed of healing. It may take 6-12 months or longer
For the body to repair the white meat. He may only heal with complete
inactivity and rest. Then some ultra-sound therapy and chondroitin
supplements or steroids. Talk about a severe and painful injury.
Vick will have pain upon breathing and all upper torso/body movements.
Simply rolling over in bed will be excruciating. He may be out for the
year and think real hard before taking off running out of the pocket
or even being tackled in jest.
2nd and 3rd ribs ain’t no joke!
Best Wishes and a Speedy Recovery – Michael!
wordsmithtom
October 4th, 2010
1:19 pm
drmary,
If you’re anything like Little Richard, you sho is pretty.
Seriously, why the focus on whether JS is a 3 or a 4; Al a 4 or a 5. Was Barkley a 3 a 4 or a5? Was Jordan a 2 or a 3? Was Magic a 1, a 2 or a 3? No, they were BASKETBALL PLAYERS.
I suggest that, if JS plays like a captain instead of a pampered kid, his minutes at 3 will be as good as his minutes at 4…and I have already seen Al play that way. Situational lineups this year instead of one size fits all. Against Orlando, JS, Al, and Zaza start, running as many backups into the frey as foul allow. Leave nothing on the bench. Run Superman till he sweats Kryptonite…..foul him till he bleeds.
And all this talk about Miami being ordained. I’m with Kobe. They’re soft, especially that finger biter they have at small forward. He can score, but he has shown no heart. I can say the same for Bosh. They’ve proved nothing. Neither have the young Hawks….for that matter. But, I believe LD has a better plan than Woody.
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drmaryb (*_*)
October 4th, 2010
1:23 pm
GT Alum said:
“Wonder how Crawford feels about the Hawks working on Horford’s deal apparently ahead of his. At least, it would seem to indicate who they think is more important to the team.”
Was that ever even a question?
doc
October 4th, 2010
1:32 pm
dmb i had that injury from a skiing accident when i was run over literally by another skier. i could hardly lean over and get a golf ball out of a cup about 6 weeks later and putt was all i could do. i continued to ski that vacation but i didnt put myself at risk for further injury beyond that. any further blows until healed will only delay the healing and continue to rip apart the tissues. that sucker hurts right now. he wont be out for a year but 8 weeks will be testing it. i wonder if he will handle this injury like the did his ankle injury where he seemed to take longer than most to get over it?
drmaryb (*_*)
October 4th, 2010
1:34 pm
Words are just Empty Feelings!
Wordsmithtom:
Hey Baby, I’m going to the beauty shop today.
When you have that natural beauty, like Little Richard?
It doesn’t require as much therapy to keep your game face up!
I got to keep my Game-Tite like Kobe on Game-Nite!
You never know who you might run into, on these mean streets.
rof – ktc!
(rolling on floor – kicking the couch!)
BTW – “ktc” is a MaryB original!
(you like?)
Mike is back
October 4th, 2010
1:42 pm
KevinM, I agree with drmaryb…Good Stuff.
However, on your…Finishing 3rd in your own division isn’t considered a huge accomplishment.
If the two other teams ahead of you have the best two records in the EC…which is possible? In that case…you could be third in your division and third in the EC…so under does circumstances that would be a major accomplishment for a team most prognosticators’ have finishing somewhere between 6 and 8th in the EC.
Now I think that would be a difficult feat for these Hawks to accomplish …however, its possible…hope springs eternal as the beginning of the season fast approaches…I might as well finish enjoying my dreams…its almost time to wake up. lol
U DA MAN DAWG!!!!!!!!!!!!