Atlanta Hawks: Van Exel helping Teague find his inner ‘dog’

Hawks want Teague to attack like Van Exel.

Hawks want Teague to attack like Van Exel.

They called Nick Van Exel “Nick the Quick” during his playing days because of his speed, and in that way Jeff Teague is similar to Van Exel.

But Van Exel also had what L.D. calls an “edge” and “played with a chip on his shoulder.” Teague doesn’t have that so L.D. brought in Van Exel to help him find it.

“We call it ‘the dog’ in the NBA,” Van Exel said. “We are trying to bring that dog out of him.”

For Van Exel, the dog was a natural thing. You saw it in his brashness, his attacking style and his knack for taking and making buzzer-beating shots. Of course, sometimes it could be tough to contain Van Exel’s “dog”–he had a history of untimely technical fouls and a rep for difficult relations with coaches and teammates–but you could never say Van Exel wasn’t aggressive.

These things don’t come naturally for Teague.

“He’s kind of a quiet kid,” Van Exel said. “He likes to joke around and have fun. But there are times when somebody makes him mad, and he is just blowing by guys. And we are like, ‘Man, you’ve got to to that all the time.’

“He can do it. He has those skills. We are thinking about maybe going up to him and making him mad before every game, making up stuff just to get him going.”

You see flashes of fire in Teague. During one of the informal pickup games last week Bibby called a foul on Teague, who thought his block was clean. Teague angrily protested the call and in the next few possessions attacked the basket with zeal. His banter with Bibby continued in locker room, and though it was in that half-joking, half-serious tone, there was no doubt Teague was still ticked about the call.

Hawks coaches want to see that spark all the time.

“He has all the tools,” Van Exel said. “It’s just a matter of him bringing an aggressive style and approach to the game every night. Skill-wise, I think he is up there with the best of them. He can shoot it. He can get in the lane anytime he wants. He can break the defense down. He has all the skills.”

Van Exel retired from playing after the 2005-06 season. He ranked among the league’s top eight in assists for five different seasons and the top 10 in 3-pointers made in four seasons.

Van Exel said he had planned to take a couple years off after his retirement and then get an NBA coaching gig but that didn’t work out. He was an assistant coach at Texas Southern in Houston when L.D. called.

“This is really I wanted to be,” he said. “It is great to be back [in the league].”

MC

145 comments Add your comment

Coscro

September 29th, 2010
4:31 pm

Teach’em Nick

josh

September 29th, 2010
4:31 pm

fuel the angerrr

mike

September 29th, 2010
4:37 pm

“handle like van exel”- jay z

jdewayneatl

September 29th, 2010
4:44 pm

light that fire Nick

kwooden1

September 29th, 2010
4:47 pm

Nick played with the right kind of attitude to help Jeff, I hope that Jeff gets it. Nick should also take sometime to pull the dog out of Marvin also, our team really needs it!

newkid

September 29th, 2010
4:49 pm

Can Nick the Quick spell M-A-R-V-I-N? If there’s one player in the entire NBA who needs to have this thing called ‘dog’ unleashed, it’s Marvin Williams. C’mon LD, what about a 2 for 1?

allan in texas

September 29th, 2010
4:50 pm

Get at em’ Nick! Coach em’ up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

layinlow

September 29th, 2010
4:56 pm

You cannot teach that inner fire or will to beat your man. You either have it or you don’t. Some hawks fans continue to wait in vain on Marvin to “step up his game”. If teammates and coaches have to constantly push a guy to take it up a notch then he is probably going to just be a bust. I fear that Teague his cut from the same cloth as Marvin. However, in fairness we have to give him this season to see if he can find that inner dog.

cp

September 29th, 2010
5:03 pm

lol kwooden1 I was thinking the same thing. Nick should be in Marvin’s ear too. An aggressive Marvin and Teague is what this team needs

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
5:03 pm

My observational analysis of Teague exactly – been saying it on this blog for a while – and Nick has a lot better view than I do. All the tools to be among the best – good jumper – best at quickness. What a great move by LD to bring Nick in. If Teague can’t learn from 3 of the better PG’s to ever play in the NBA (to some degree) – Nick, Bibby, and LD, I don’t think we can help him. All the tools are there.

And I would give Teague more than this season to find himself. It was Lavin then of ESPN who said within 5 years Teague may be the best PG of that PG heavy draft. And Hollinger I believe it was said he had Rondo type potential.

BrittishAnger

September 29th, 2010
5:04 pm

Brings an optimistic tear to my eye….MORE OF THIS!

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
5:06 pm

There is still a lot of feeling out there in the blogosphere and fantasy owners however, that JT2 (Jeff Teague) is closer to JT1 (Jason Terry) than a true PG. Let’s hope they’re wrong.

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
5:08 pm

MC – Great work the last 3 or 4 days – keep them coming!

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
5:17 pm

As The Emperor said: “Yessss…. I feeeel your hate. It’s growing inside you. Now, take your weapon, strike me down and take your father’s place at my side”

Jeff may need the Dark Side if he is to succeed in this league. The Force has never overcome a poor jump shot. ;-)

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
5:19 pm

We’ll just have to hope that “That dog can hunt”.

Michael Cunningham

September 29th, 2010
5:39 pm

@SteveW: “MC – Great work the last 3 or 4 days – keep them coming!”

thanks . . . it makes it a lot easier when i have access to the team. now we just need some games.

Melvin

September 29th, 2010
5:47 pm

Teague will be good. Just give the kid an opportunity to play…

Rod from College Park

September 29th, 2010
6:06 pm

Kwooden1,

“Nick should also take sometime to pull the dog out of Marvin also, our team really needs it!”

Can’t pull a dog out of a duck. (LOL)

jason

September 29th, 2010
6:15 pm

If teague wants to start in this league he has to be more aggressive and needs to work on on his mid range and 3 point shot.

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
6:20 pm

Rod,

Maybe we can bring the swan out of Marvin.

At least that way, he might be more graceful on the court, rather than the stumbling bumbling fumbling Marvin…

F the Hawks!!!!!

September 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

I hate to say it, but I think Im starting to see what the Spirit saw in Drew when they hired him. There is something about him that I like even more than Woodson and even before Ive seen a game. There is a it factor with him that Woodson just did not have.

truthspiter

September 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

You can not be taught this. If so, I hope he teaches Marvin also but it is not possible. I think Teague is another wasted pick

Ken Strickland

September 29th, 2010
6:27 pm

I posted this comment on the previous blog. After LDrew made JSmoove a co-captain and explained to him and the media why, I believe LDrew was merely trying to provide motivation for JTeague, when he said Bibby was the starting PG until someone takes it away from him.

I find it all but impossible to believe LDrew would make a public issue of needing Teague to step up, then hiring Nick Van Exel just to tutor him, if he had any intention of him being anywhere but the starting PG when the season starts.

The season hadn’t even started yet, and LDrew has hired an assistant coach to tutor a young PG, an assistant to develop the DEF, and made a key young player captain, in hopes the added leadership responsibilities will help him mature and gain control of his on court emotions. That’s a faaaarrrrr cry from Woody’s habit of going an entire season ignoring his problem, even defending it on occasion, while also ignoring and/or refusing to even acknowledge or mention, let alone address, the struggles MWilliams and MBibby were having.

HAPPY COWS MAKE BETTER CHEESE, AND HAPPY HAWKS MAKE A MUCH BETTER TEAM.

Rod from College Park

September 29th, 2010
6:37 pm

Good one O’Brien.

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
6:55 pm

Ken S.,

Happy cows come from California, but lets hope the Hawks here in Atlanta will be happy Hawks all season and during the playoffs.

So far, LD has said all the right things, and he has done all the right things. And he has to. Because in my opinion, he will be under pressure this year.

Although he has a new offensive system, he has been with this team for 6 years, and he convinced the ASG and Rick that he was nothing like Woody.

Well, as AJ points out, Woody led the team to 53 wins, and a second round spot. And since LD has a (slightly) better bench than last year, I dont see why the ASG should not expect a competitive second round series at a minimum from the Hawks.

KevinM

September 29th, 2010
7:14 pm

I think it was a good move to bring in Van Exel who had lots of success. Seriously though, he can’t be considered as a Jason Terry clone until he is able to hit the jumper consistently. Being compared to Rondo though, sounds more reasonable. I don’t recall Van Exel being a defensive stalwart though…on the ball pressure will be needed.

And Bibby is the starter until he flops. On the defensive side of things, if Bibby is held accountable for defense, it will be the first time.

The key to this team is defense, not offense. Rebounding the basketball is second. These 2 determine how successful the core is this year.

Only time will tell as to whether the players will be held accountable and be put on the bench when needed. I have to see it to believe it.

dos hawkquis

September 29th, 2010
7:14 pm

Larry Drew’s performance as coach will be a referendum on Mike Woodson. If Larry can top the 53 games and make it out of the 2nd round,
Woodson may never get a job again. WOW!!

“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks.”

Prison Mike

September 29th, 2010
7:30 pm

I love that drew was a ten year pg in the league and of course nve in teague’s corner just pushing him only guys like that can. This will easily make bibby more expendable in the near future.

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
7:42 pm

I think Teague can be a good player. He can jump out of the gym, play D, and handle the ball. Just have to get him to do all those things all of the time. He can.

Like others, I’m liking Coach Drew so far. Looking forward to next Thursday.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
7:55 pm

Man, I didn’t see the jumper from Teague last year… I agree that he has the other tools mentioned though. Van Exel may be the single best move by the Hawks of the summer. Although I doubt that JC2 is missing that dog :lol:

OB, from the previous blog, if you’re telling me that Dwayne Casey or Mark Jackson or any other “outside” coach would have done no better than “lose better”, then Drew at the minimum salary was the right move. But that is the issue, not Woody, but was dude truly the best coach available to take the reigns of this team? I sincerely hope that all of his counter-moves work out well… because it is the adjustment that ultimately makes (or breaks) head coaches.

RomeDawg

September 29th, 2010
7:55 pm

Unfortunately, you can’t coach that “nastiness” or “killer instinct” so that probably means Teague ends up being another Marvin. I don’t care how much physical talent you have, if you ain’t got it between the ears, you’re screwed!

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
8:00 pm

Ken, Dredw is setting Teague up for success, but if he doesn’t earn the starting spot (by remaining too laid back to lead a 50+ win team) then starting him prematurely would do more harm than good. So I wouldn’t take all of these “tools for success” and assume that Teague is the default starter. If anything, Drew is showing that Teague wasn’t ready and needs the extra help… I see no need to ush the issue. If Teague plays 18-20 minutes from the bench in the first 30-45 days of the season, i don’t see a problem. Make him earn it (which is exactly what Drew said a few weeks ago and many of us said all of last season).

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
8:04 pm

@O’Brien – “So far, LD has said all the right things, and he has done all the right things. And he has to. Because in my opinion, he will be under pressure this year.”

O’Brien, unless I am misunderstanding you, I must disagree with your point. Negative pressure usually makes people make mistakes. That’s why opposing coaches exhort their team to keep the pressure on their opponents. Negative pressure typically does not make people overacheive – unless you thrive under pressure. But then pressure would not be a negative, but a positive.

I believe all that we have seen from Drew is Drew. There is no pressure. I believe he feels released from the pressure of sitting in the #2 chair under a stubborn boss, one-dimensional boss. He knows what this team needs, he knows how to motivate them, and he knows how to lead. I don’t think he feels pressure right now. Of course, we will still need to evaluate how he reacts to a three-game losing streak. That’s when the pressure will be felt.

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
8:07 pm

Section 303, what’s happening next Thursday?

jhan

September 29th, 2010
8:10 pm

I agree you can’t teach someone to have fire. You can teach them how to bring it out of themselves & channel it towards production on the court.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 29th, 2010
8:18 pm

“Can Nick the Quick spell M-A-R-V-I-N? If there’s one player in the entire NBA who needs to have this thing called ‘dog’ unleashed, it’s Marvin Williams. ”

I don’t think Michael Vick could unleash the dog in Marvin.

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
8:45 pm

Rev in Tampa,

If the Hawks win 48 games and lose in the first round of the playoffs, how will Drew be perceived?

The only change the team made this offseason, is to change coaches. Consequently, the ASG has put all their eggs in Drew’s basket by saying Woody was the main one holding the team back (directly and indirectly).

So it is up to Drew to prove that the ASG is right. Woody was the problem. And to do that, he needs to get to the second round, and actually win games.

The Truth

September 29th, 2010
9:05 pm

Sautee:

“As The Emperor said: “Yessss…. I feeeel your hate. It’s growing inside you. Now, take your weapon, strike me down and take your father’s place at my side”

Man I’m LMAO because I was thinking the same thing

cp

September 29th, 2010
9:16 pm

So a guy who played limited minutes in his first year is already a wasted pick? SMH

JSS

September 29th, 2010
9:16 pm

To all of you Salary Cap freaks and those riding Jamal (some of it is deserved)…
It’s on!!! Negotiating the new CBA is going to be Hell!
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=11760890

Ken Strickland

September 29th, 2010
9:32 pm

ASTRO JOE-On the 1st day of practice the team ran a mile, and MC said all of our centers made the cut, but 2 players didn’t. What do you want to bet Bibby was one of those 2 players. I don’t think Drew has any doubts about Teague’s ability to run his team and OFF, but he wants to make certain he’s hits the ground running on day one.

I believe our roster will be more than slightly better than last yrs. JCollins is lighter, more mobile, and in better overall condition, and will almost certainly be more productive. EThomas is far more physical, aggressive, a much better rebounder and DEF player than RMorris. Both Pape Sy and JoCrawford are far more versatile and talented, particularly on OFF, than MWest. JTeague as a starter adds far more speed, quickness, penetrating ability, DEF, versatility, stamina and athleticism than Bibby.

Bibby is a much better option coming off the bench than JTeague was last yr under woodson. I believe all of our front line players will be more productive, both on OFF and DEF under LDrew. THE ATLANTA HAWKS ARE GOING TO BE A MUCH, MUCH BETTER TEAM THAN THEY WERE LAST YR. THE KEY TO THEIR SUCCESS WILL BE “CONSISTENCY” AND “EFFICIENCY”.

There’s absolutely no way he wants to start the season with Bibby as the primary PG running his fast breaking, uptempo, attacking the basket motion OFF, let alone spearhead his perimeter pressure DEF. What Drew wants from his primary PG requires too many of the skills Bibby lacks.

OBRIEN-I have to agree with REV IN TAMPA. Drew will be under less pressure than Woodson was under last yr. I doubt if Sund and the ASG will make the regular season a big issue with Drew. The biggest pressure he’ll face next yr will be during the playoffs. And all he’ll have to do to be successful then is get to the 2nd rd and have the Hawks perform like they did against the Celtics in the 07/08 playoffs.

shaqtus thorns

September 29th, 2010
9:36 pm

I like Teague and Marvin, but they are nice guys. Maybe we need to draft some killaz instead of nice guys. Go Hawks!

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
9:52 pm

O’Brien, for the sake of clarification, I’ll grant that what you are saying is true. Maybe there is pressure being applied by the ASG, but Drew is not acting like a man who is motivated by having to win now. He is like a man who has been unleashed.

The wisdom many of us are seeing in Drew doesn’t come in flashes of pressure-induced brilliance. He has a plan that has been well thought-out. And he is methodically proceeding along that course.

As to your question, “If the Hawks win 48 games and lose in the first round of the playoffs, how will Drew be perceived?” I for one, will be surprised and disappointed. I believe this team, as presently constituted, has incredible potential. I think Woodson misused the talent on this team by keeping it chained up in iso-Joe/Jamal and defensive switching. I believe this team will be much better than last year. How much responsibility Drew will bear depends on variables such as injuries, Teague’s development, etc. But Drew will bear some of that responsibility. And unless he is a complete hypocrite (all that he has said about players taking responsibility, etc.) he will gladly bear it.

Drew seems to me like a young man who has watched his grandmother drive her 67 mustang to an from church and to the grocery store while never exceeding 45 miles per hour. And she has just died and willed it to him. He is not worried about getting a ticket for speeding from the police. All he is thinking about is all that unused potential that he is about put into motion.

I even doubt that Drew is worried about that paltry salary that ASG gave him. He is just ready to have fun and put all those un-listened to suggestions into practical reality.

If Drew is going home and sweating about whether he will have a job next year, then he is not the same man who is talking to MC and making all these bold, focused, and wise decisions.

Samuel

September 29th, 2010
9:58 pm

Ken,
What you fail to realize is that if we don’t finish in the top 5 (which is entirely possible), there will be no second round.

dos hawkquis

September 29th, 2010
7:14 pm

Larry Drew’s performance as coach will be a referendum on Mike Woodson. If Larry can top the 53 games and make it out of the 2nd round,
Woodson may never get a job again. WOW!!
Big “IF”. On the flip side, if we don’t make the playoffs, what does that say about Woody? COY

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
10:03 pm

The Lakers won 57 games in the tough West – and are NBA champs. The East just improved dramatically this off-season, so winning 53 games will not be nearly as easy. I say with the improved East, if the Hawks win 46 games but play tough in the 2nd round of the playoffs – or even go the the EC Finals – it’s an improvement. Don’t judge by games won versus Woodson – not apples to apples because they’re playing 2 different seasons, and most everyone I’ve read agrees – the East had a huge balance of power shift towards it this off season, starting with John Wall, Amare, Boozer etc. And the East may be in for ‘Melo also if the Nets obtain him.

So LD should be judged on what he does with the Hawks in ‘010 – ‘011 – not with how the his regular season record is. If he goes 52-30, it doesn’t mean Woodson is a better coach.

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
10:04 pm

The Cavs won what, 66 games or something? But the East wasn’t as good as the West was last year, and they couldn’t even get out of the 2nd round against the 50 win Celtics.

Grandad

September 29th, 2010
10:31 pm

For those wishing for van Exel to take on Marv
as an additional project;
I think that job has been filled already.
Marvin meet Mr Etan Thomas.

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
10:32 pm

Rev in Tampa, Next Thursday is the first preseason game. At Philips, against Memphis. Will be good to see some games again.

Also, Tuesday is the first ever Hawks preview event. Coach Drew and Rick Sund are going to preview the upcoming season and answer questions. I’m planning on attending that, too.

The Truth

September 29th, 2010
10:49 pm

“Guard Pape Sy (back) has yet to practice, but Drew said the medical report from his visit with a doctor Tuesday was positive.”

“It’s not as serious as we thought it might be,” Drew said. “He is going to take a little more time to rest it.”

Not sure what to make of this. If he’s not injury prone, then the question becomes, is he soft?

Grandad

September 29th, 2010
11:13 pm

Someone mentioned from yesterday’s blog;
“Josh was behind LD shooting (3’s)”.
I happened onto that video a few min ago
and noticed something:
Josh has changed his shooting mechanics.

* Josh worked this summer with NBA trainer Idan Ravin.
“He pushed me.
We worked on various things:
ballhandling, the midrange jump shot”

Someone has done something positive with Josh!
Actually shooting as opposed to launching.

Mark Price…now what was his job again…?
I think [Price & Terry Pendleton]
both went to the same teachin’ school.

Grandad

September 29th, 2010
11:16 pm

*The MP and TP remark was sarcasm.

truthspiter

September 29th, 2010
11:20 pm

Grandad: No disrespect but you are starting to sound like an old fart that knows absolutely nothing. What is Etan Thomas suppose to help Marvin Williams with being that Etan is just another undersized C, and Marvin is whatever he is.

MsDee

September 30th, 2010
1:01 am

@SteveW, very good point about the Cavs winning every bit of 60+ games last season with a very winnable EAST COAST and couldnt even get past the lowly 50 win Celtics! LD shouldnt be compared to Woodson’s team of last year due to this simple point made by SteveW!! This is a very new EAST COAST.. Way 2 go!!, SteveW

Ken Strickland

September 30th, 2010
1:14 am

SAMUEL-since when did the NBA institute a rule that prevents the Hawks, or any team that doesn’t finish in the top 5, from getting to the 2nd rd? If they have, then you’d better notify the NBA that the Spurs made it to the 2nd rd last yr as the #7 seed, and in 08/09 Utah made it as the #8 seed and Dallas made it as the #6 seed.

SYBIL/TRUTHSPITTER-If GRANDAD has started to sound like an old fart, then you’ve certainly been SMELLING like one for some time now.

STEVEW-If, as you believe, the East has vastly improved, why do you think it will only affect the Hawks? Wouldn’t each improved team affect the ability of the other improved teams’ ability to win more gms as well? In other words, if the vast improvement Miami, Boston, Milwaukee and Chicago has been given credit for makes it harder for the Hawks to win 53gms this yr, why wouldn’t it also make it harder for these teams to win more gms, or as many, as they did last yr as well?

oranjucejonz

September 30th, 2010
1:25 am

@@@@@@ GRANDAD @@@@@……WHAT VIDEO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

DUDLEY CAN'T DO RIGHT

September 30th, 2010
2:18 am

Dudley Do Right

September 30th, 2010
12:02 am
Teague needs more than a teacher, the needs to go to oz and get a brain and exchange one of his 2 left hands for a right hand.

Dudley Do Right

September 30th, 2010
12:03 am
he needs to go to oz

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
2:30 am

1st things 1st: truth[spiter] aka [Ted T. Mahather]

Admittedly, I am an ol’ fart.

Etan will help Marv by whippin’ his tail every day in practice.

“Grandad: No disrespect” – none taken: truthspiter.(with one t)

Sincerely, Phillip Masters

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
2:41 am

oranjucejonz

Atl Hawks official site:
videos…
LD interview with ‘Hometeam’ Brandon Leak

Glad to be of help -[again]- anytime.

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
2:43 am

The best thing about bein’ an old fart,
is you get to live long enough to be one.

Clyde

September 30th, 2010
3:03 am

I know this is off subject but what’s up wit Eddie Long? Ain’t preachers suppose to wear robes? He preach wit tight muscle shirts on.

SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD

Clyde

September 30th, 2010
3:32 am

Van Exel had some handles but what yall know bout Travis Best. He is one of the quickest point guards I have ever seen with the ball in his hands.

vava74

September 30th, 2010
3:37 am

Grandad,

I noticed the significant difference in the shooting mechanics too.

Last year Smoove was trying too hard to shoot with perfect mechanics and with an high arch (failing miserably and getting many air balls) and I mentioned several times that the movement was clearly not natural for him.

Sometimes we have to accept that some players get better results with imperfect but “natural” movements and Smoove clearly gets better results with a shot which is more flat and with a two handed quirky shot movement as he was showing on the clip.

truthspitter

September 30th, 2010
4:00 am

On another note, I could care less if there is basketball next year or not. The players and the players Union should not agree to a hard cap no matter what. Let replacement players play. Furthermore, resigning your own FA’s would then become even harder if the hard cap came into play. The only way I would do a hard cap if I were the players and players union is if the cap is set at $80 million with the other rules staying the same as for as contracts go and $70 million would still be luxury tax threshold, you just would not be able to exceed $80 million in salaries regardless, that would be the hard cap aspect, everything else would stay the same. These rich owners do a poor job as it is, especially looking at the ASG, no matter what the rules are poor owners are gonna be poor owners

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
4:31 am

I’m up way too late.

* Van Exel – Nice to seem him directly working with Teague to try to get his mind right to start the season. My main concern with Teague is if he’s a natural floor leader or not? If he can’t be a true floor leader ( because he wasn’t a true PG at Wake Forest ), Van Exel may at least teach him how to score the basketball on the NBA level. The floater is a shot that Van Exel loved, so hopefully he’ll teach Teague that shot.

* Smoove – Josh Smith can’t shoot, and will never be a defent outside shooter on the NBA level. While he will have to take the midrange shot every now and then, I truly want 75% of his shots to be within 10 feet of the basket.

* Drew and the team’s win total – For those that say that Drew doesn’t have to win as many games as Woody last year, as long as the team is more competitive in Round 2, that’s all well and good. But it’s ironic that last year it was pretty much EC Finals or Bust when it came to Woody . . but expectations on Drew have been reduced ( even though the same team returns ).

Like I said in the previous blog, the thing to watch in the Drew-led Hawks, is how they play on the road. While many of you like to cite Boston and their 50 win season, as proof that the regular season record isn’t important, keep in mind that Boston won a whopping 26 road games last year. If that wasn’t best in the league, it was 2nd best. A team that wins 2g road games, usually win 30 – 35 home games. But Boston only won 24. Because the injuries slowed them down considerably in January and February, they were NOT your normal 50 – 32 team once the playoffs started

If a 48 win Hawk team doesn’t have a winning record on the road, it’s a clear indication that they’ll struggle one again in Round 1 and possibly get trounced again in Round 2. So don’t get it twisted. If we don’t win 50+ games, we better be at least .500 on the road.

Bad road teams rarely make runs in the playoffs.

MsDee

September 30th, 2010
4:47 am

@northcyde, ‘* Drew and the team’s win total – For those that say that Drew doesn’t have to win as many games as Woody last year, as long as the team is more competitive in Round 2, that’s all well and good. But it’s ironic that last year it was pretty much EC Finals or Bust when it came to Woody . . but expectations on Drew have been reduced ( even though the same team returns ).

Exactly, Woody has had this SAME TEAM for 6 years, with the same OFFensive play for 5 years(-Joe Johnson his 1st yr), and the same DEFensive play for 4 years(+ Bibby & Jamal within) , and with the same results for 2 years (2nd round BUST!!) So I say, you are right, we DO EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS FROM LD WITH THE SAME TEAM BUT MINUS THE STUPID OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE CRAP THAT OLE BOY WOODY HAD THEM PLAYING for 6 YEARS!!!!!

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
4:53 am

Damn typos on this phone….

defent = decent

2g = 26

MsDee

September 30th, 2010
4:53 am

again@northcyde, ‘If a 48 win Hawk team doesn’t have a winning record on the road, it’s a clear indication that they’ll struggle one again in Round 1 and possibly get trounced again in Round 2. So don’t get it twisted. If we don’t win 50+ games, we better be at least .500 on the road.

Bad road teams rarely make runs in the playoffs.’

This is where MID-SEASON ADJUSTMENTS OCCUR, something that ole boy Woody just didnt know how to do or just didnt want to do..which ever one makes ya happy.

MsDee

September 30th, 2010
5:01 am

@northcyde, ‘While many of you like to cite Boston and their 50 win season, as proof that the regular season record isn’t important, keep in mind that Boston won a whopping 26 road games last year. If that wasn’t best in the league, it was 2nd best.’

This statement is true and last season worked in Boston’s favor BECAUSE OF THIS FACT! If this stat was reversed and Boston would have won more home games than road, I TRULY doubt Boston would have made it out of 2nd round as well considering the fact that they had NO HOME COURT ADVANTAGE AT ALL IN THE POST-SEASON!!

vava74

September 30th, 2010
6:23 am

Josh is looking a lot more fit that last year:

http://www.nba.com/hawks/photogallery/2010_training_camp.html?curPhoto=2

Check the following photo and photo #11 as well: Bibby is also looking slimmer too.

Rev in Tampa

September 30th, 2010
6:59 am

In the pictures from Hawks training camp they have an interesting banner:

http://www.nba.com/hawks/photogallery/2010_training_camp.html?curPhoto=11

It lists all the Hawks All-Stars. I assume the banner is meant to motivate the players to aspire to become All-Stars. Of course most of the players on the court don’t a have a prayer of becoming an All-Star, so is the banner only directed at Josh and (dare I say it?) Marvin, since Al and Joe’s names have already been added?

Nate

September 30th, 2010
7:19 am

Yes Jeff, feel the anger build inside you. Take your weapon. Strike me down.

O'Brien

September 30th, 2010
7:32 am

The Truth,

Isnt it a little early to be wondering if Sy is injury prone, or soft?

Sy is a second round pick who was brought over to get acclimated to the NBA, and might even spend some time in the D-League, so there is no reason for the coaching staff to rush him.

Rev,

Maybe expectations is a better word than pressure. But I like Drew’s plan so far.

northcyde,

Agreed. Hawks have to do better on the road and stop relying on the home crowd.

justin smith

September 30th, 2010
8:52 am

lol nate love the star wars comment …… but i love to read the comments more than the actual article it self …. but off of that JEFF TEAGUES is the key to the Atlanta Hawks being a legit contender in the east think about it the hawks have ridicules athletic skilled players at every starting position except point guard (Bibby is just a shooter in his older years) which is the most important position on the court. If they can get an athlete that isn’t a liability of defense AND can break a defense down ….WOW what a different team the hawks will be ….. im actually excited about this season as a hawks fan and as a basketball fan ( got to see the Miami heat lol )

justin smith

September 30th, 2010
8:53 am

i even mean Marvin Williams because he is a great athlete that u can rely on on defense

i_am_soulstar

September 30th, 2010
8:58 am

i_am_soulstar

September 30th, 2010
9:01 am

From SI Article:

“They work out with him because Ravin isn’t afraid to tell them what they need to hear. “I try to convey [that] it’s not about anyone else, it’s about you,” explains Ravin. “Guys like LeBron can cut all the corners and still get an A on the exam. Eighty percent of Chris Paul or LeBron is better than 99 percent of anyone else. But I ask them, ‘What if you maximized it? What if you were 99 percent? Isn’t that interesting?’ I try to intrigue them. I say, ‘What if?’ “

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
9:11 am

It’s kind of funny, Teague is characterized as “The Waterboy”… Bobby Boucher. Teague just needs to visualize that the opposing PG is Woody, calling him “Rook” and yelling about team concepts… and then, whoosh, Teague attacks the basket and breaks the player’s ankles.

Of course, Boucher was about as dumb as a door knob (”Mama says alligators are angry ‘cuz they have all those teeth and no toothbrush”) so let’s hope that Teague isn’t as simple-minded.

Jeff Teague = The Waterboy

Gamer

September 30th, 2010
9:13 am

Just what the doctor order for Teague an IGNITOR!!

Give Teague a QUICK KICK, NICK!!!

TEAGUE GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO PLAY POINT GUARD NBA STYLE…

Publix

September 30th, 2010
9:33 am

I think we should stop playing around with JC1. We are fine in the guard position, and will probably be just fine with the bigs that we currently have, but I’m not sure about SF. Marvin will do for right now but against any of the big dogs, he can’t keep up.

Why not trade JC1 for Artest? They got Barnes, who can do their dirty work now. If we can’t get him, then please suggest who we can get at the #3 that can do dirty work and still score some but be very vocal?????

tim

September 30th, 2010
9:34 am

Is Van Exel also going to teach Teague how to roll a better joint??

Hawk n the Ham

September 30th, 2010
9:41 am

Astro Joe

Probably the wittiest comment I’ve seen on this blog in a loooooooong time. Kudos!

JT0 = “No Colonel Sanders, you’re wrong. EERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!”

O'Brien

September 30th, 2010
9:48 am

AJ,

Not to mention, Foos-ball is the devil.

Publix,

Lakers already have Kobe at SG, so why would they want JC1? You will be hard pressed to find a team that has an All NBA player at one position being backed up by a SMOY. Only in ATL.

And I doubt if they trade Artest. Imagine how much Artest and Matt Barnes can hound LeBron or Pierce in a playoff series…

Publix

September 30th, 2010
9:58 am

True that O’Brien.

Ok, if we can’t get Artest, how about Battier? All I know is that we need another SF who can play some hard defense to put up with the James’, Pierces’, etc.

Samuel

September 30th, 2010
10:01 am

Ken,

Remember,making it to the second round is not good enough. I checked the records and in the last 10 years only 2 teams have made it past the second round who were seeded below the #3 seed. Dallas #4 in 06 and Utah #4 in 07. Thats two teams out of 160.

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
10:03 am

Hawk n the Ham & OB, there are sooooo many funny lines from that movie. Let’s just hope that Teague has a “carry him off the court in victory” moment like Bobby Boucher had. Although, it is safe to say that Teague likely thought several times last year, “Mike Woodson is the Devil!”

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
10:04 am

Samuel, if you run the league again this year, count me in… I’m off the injured reserve list.

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
10:06 am

Samuel, and last year’s Celtics.

Mike is back

September 30th, 2010
10:24 am

MC, Great Stuff, you know Teague is one of my favorite. I loved watching Van Excel do his thang…I think he will be great for Teague.

Ken Strick, You make some excellent and insightful comments about the Hawks squad and LD’S approach to the upcoming season. However, enough about Woody already…we get it. Woody was far from perfect…but he did do a lot of GOOD THINGS for this organization.

It’s a new season…MOVE ON BRO. I doubt very seriously if Woody was the first ever coach to falter in his first stint as a HC. Just like the players…COACHES go through a learning process too.

No since in continuing to drag the man name through the mud…just to make your point about LD…I may not have agreed with his coaching philosophy…but can we both agree that he left the Hawks in a far better circumstance…than one he inherited as a HC…I think even LD would concur on that point.

Hopefully, Woody will learn and grow from this experience…and be a better Coach because of it…No need to continue to harbor ill will towards Woody…its better to forgive…and move on.

I’m happy for the LD…and again…I think the ASG may have gotten lucky…gambling on an unproven HC…with no HC experience…CUZ right now LD is looking like gold. It’s amazing the amount of excitement I have for the upcoming season…most of that is attributed to approach that is being employed by LD.

However, that should in no way…diminish what Woody did for this organization in his tenure as HC. You don’t continue to slam a guy…that helped revive your organization…especially if you’re the Hawks…Just saying.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SadDawg

September 30th, 2010
10:28 am

I take it both Crawfords have the “dog.”

KevinM

September 30th, 2010
10:52 am

What’s funny is when someone says this team is happy and if they’re happy, they work better together.
Does it really matter if they get along or not? Are they not employed to play basketball? I don’t believe I have heard of any locker room confrontations in the past that has caused a riff between players.
I don’t care if they’re happy or not. If they don’t play well, they should lose minutes. So far, all I see if players getting raises.
If you think replacing Woody/Randolph/Mario makes this little engine perform perfectly, then you’re convinced this team can only go so far.
- I see lots of talk about removing the iso from no-show.
- I hear how everything is falling into place for Marvin now that he has a new voice.
- I hear how the parts are so interchangeable that teams will have to match up with us.

What I see though is the same core, and an assistant who now wants to seperate himself from anything related to the former coach. Good move, LD, you got the job.

Now you have 2 years to prove that you know more than the coach who was hired here, was resigned here by the current GM and ASG, and the coach who improved this team every year.

It is a huge step back if you don’t improve upon last year’s results. And you have this core intact for years going forward because it sounds like that Al will get done before the CBA instead of waiting to see how cheap he could be resigned for.

The scapegoat right now is Woody this offseason. Will it be Woody’s fault if the team doesn’t look any better this season?

vava74

September 30th, 2010
10:54 am

oh oh… (from Yahoo Sports):

“…In practice on Wednesday, the Celtics watched Garnett do things they hadn’t seen in two years. Once, he grabbed a rebound, fired the outlet pass and recovered to still beat every big man down the floor. No one witnessed that a year ago. Not once. He’s been fantastic for the Celtics and that can change everything.”

vava74

September 30th, 2010
10:56 am

If Garnett has somehow found the fountain of youth, then the Celts could be able to overcome some of their losses (Thibodeau, Tony Allen, Perkins).

Nonetheless, I still think that the loss of Perkins (since he will not be able to play at 100% next year even if he returns from injury) will not be properly compensated by the O’Neal and O’Neill duo.

vava74

September 30th, 2010
10:59 am

KevinM,

This coming season will be much harder than last year’s due to many factors of which 2 are extreeeemly influential:

1. Last year we were extremely lucky with injuries;
2. The talent pool in the East is now deeper;

Teezo

September 30th, 2010
11:04 am

Clyde

September 30th, 2010
3:03 am
I know this is off subject but what’s up wit Eddie Long? Ain’t preachers suppose to wear robes? He preach wit tight muscle shirts on.

SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD
——————————————————————————-

Hahahahahahahahaha…WOW…

Teezo

September 30th, 2010
11:09 am

Anyway, I got that laugh out…If Drew doesn’t see any fight in JT or trying to put some fight in him, then he just doesn’t have it…Potential or not, you have to wanna be the starting PG doing whatever it takes to get that job, bringing in Nick is gonna do what???…I hope it pans out, but as we all know, ATL hasn’t had a PG with some fight since M. Blaylock…Peace…

Rod from College Park

September 30th, 2010
11:22 am

vava74,

“Nonetheless, I still think that the loss of Perkins (since he will not be able to play at 100% next year even if he returns from injury) will not be properly compensated by the O’Neal and O’Neill duo.”

You can’t be serious. I need some of what you are smoking.

Melvin

September 30th, 2010
11:25 am

Mike is Back, co-sign your 10:24 post…

The Truth

September 30th, 2010
11:32 am

O’Brien comments

“The Truth,

Isnt it a little early to be wondering if Sy is injury prone, or soft?”

“Sy is a second round pick who was brought over to get acclimated to the NBA, and might even spend some time in the D-League, so there is no reason for the coaching staff to rush him.”

Not really, he was such a mystery man when he came here, I’m just curious about him. Considering the great length LD went to acquire him, like many, I’m looking for the diamond. Sy is in the NBA now. Many intriguing questions will come his way. As long as they are just questions and not defamatory charges, then he is no different then any other NBA player. But I wonder about many things. Like why you bother to lecture me about Sy, things I already know.

vava74

September 30th, 2010
11:37 am

Rod,

Shaq’s man to man defense was never his forte. Now, he can’t defend his own shadow and is easily and repeatedly exploited on the pick and roll.

Jemaine is limping most of the time and his defense has always been very much an ON-OFF exercise since he does not like to bang and always complained that he was not a C.

Perkins is a blue collar guy, an excellent defender at his position and a guy who does not need shots to be happy and do his thing.

So, defensively, Shaq and Jerm are miles away from Perkins and offensively, they are both too eager for the rock.

In my book, without Perkins the Celtics D is MUCH weaker and their offense will suffer from lack of shots to make them happy.

Melvin

September 30th, 2010
11:53 am

Vava,

It will be foolish to writeoff the Celtics. They have a coach who know how to pace those guys thru the regular season and they have the vets that can still play at a high level and knows how to turn the switch on when needed. Hence, their good road record from last season and their appearence in the Finals. Let’s not forget they took the toughest road to the Finals and overcame the adversity (Mia, Orl, Clev).

Fresh

September 30th, 2010
11:56 am

WOW!!!! The Heat have absolutely 1 year to win a championship because with this new hard cap that will be set in place; D.Wade, Lebron, and Bosh is going to be playing with D-Leaguers for the rest of their contracts lol. This is good news for Hawks fans actually and fans of teams outside of Boston and LA. We may finally see some parity in the NBA. Of course, if there isn’t a lockout for next season.

edub

September 30th, 2010
12:02 pm

@Rod from College Park..You may not be able to pull a dog out of a duck, but you can pull a duck out of a dog (See the book Bark George) (LOL)

Ramon

September 30th, 2010
12:05 pm

Vava, you don’t think with Shaq on the low block, that will cause teams to have to double him? And do you think they could leave Pierce or Allen (on the arc) or Garnett (at the elbow) to come in double? Shaq still demands a double team when he’s in the game. And giving Pierce or Allen an extra split second to get set is dangerous.

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
12:10 pm

Fresh, our situation ( once we re-sign Horford ), is going to put us in the same boat as the Heat. We’re going to have 3 high salary players ( JJ, Smoove, Horford ), with very little wiggle room to add a signficant piece in the future, if a hard cap is instituted. And especially if that cap number is 60 million or below.

The only thing that will save us, is if the contracts are also adjusted downward . . . which would also help the Heat.

I believe the Hawks this year have a higher team payroll than the Heat. A hard cap in the future means that we may have to very well choose between Jeff Teague and Jordan Crawford as to who we re-sign long term.

Ramon

September 30th, 2010
12:11 pm

Here’s a quick question, who would you rather have on your team, Mike Bibby or Yao Ming?

JoJo the Godfather

September 30th, 2010
12:15 pm

Celts, Magic & Heat are “for real”…Bucks & Bulls are being hyped up a little too much to me…Good teams, but not great…Who scores for the Bulls besides Rose, Boozer & Deng?…Similar issues for Bucks…That front line is thin: Bogut (still hurt), Gooden, Brian Skinner, Mbah a Moute, Ilyasova???…Bulls could really use a Jamal Crawford type to create shots for that 2nd unit…Korver & Brewer are both guys that have to be “set up”…Bucks need a big man off their bench or starting PF.

Ramon

September 30th, 2010
12:23 pm

Sautee, I guess we get different things from the Al Horford’s Summer Article. Because even MC said Horford wants to play PF (prefers). In my mind, you don’t even say you want to play that or prefer to play that as a leader. As a leader, you say you want to play and win, end of quotation, lol.

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
12:26 pm

@ vava

Shaq’s opponents at center shot 47% against him and had a PER of 14.2 ( when looking at their production on a per 48 minute basis ).

Perkins opponents at center shot 51% against him and had a PER of 16.6

Does this mean that Shaq is a better defensive center than Perkins? No . . . because Perkins is a better help defender.

But this does mean that Shaq makes it extremely tough on opponents to score on him.

You know what you’ll see with Shaq this year in Boston? You may very well see a Michael Vick effect that he’ll have on that team. And when Perkins is ready to come back to the rotation, Shaq will be playing so well that Doc may not dare take Shaq out of the starting lineup ( because he will beat out Jermaine O’Neal for the starting job . . . or at least he should ).

He’s on a team now whose entire culture is centered around defense. So expect Shaq to be an even better defender this year, than he was last year. And that will make the Celtics a VERY SCARY team.

But believe that dude will suck if you want to. Check that dude by early December, to see how he’s playing.

vava74

September 30th, 2010
12:47 pm

northcyde,

those stats mean nothing, starting with PER and ending on the defensive stats.

these are the same stats that apparently state that Bargnani is a good defensive C!!!!

Shaq is a huge liability defensively and Ramon, no, I don’t think Shaq commands a double team right now, not unless he loses 60 or 70 lbs.

Put a body on him and let him get his shots without him fouling and whenever he is getting too close, just send him to the line. I saw many Cavs’ games last year and he was not effective at all.

If you and northcyde want to dwell on stats, just look at the Cavs’ best combinations of 5 players on the floor for last year and Shaq was not present in none of the top 5 or 6 combos.

And that, my friends, is one of the reasons why the Cavs went down.

The Truth

September 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

“So the Heat passes on Erick Dampier. Then the Bucks sign Brian Skinner while linked to Dampier. Could it be we’re all overstating Dampier?”

http://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat

Big Ump

September 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

Mike Is Back

You right on the money with your latest post.

vava74

September 30th, 2010
12:50 pm

And by the way, IF KG returns to 2008 form, I am not ruling out the Celts at all.

If not, if he plays like last year? I think that will put up a fight but go down on the second round.

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
1:34 pm

Vava . . . who told you that lie about Bargnani when he plays center?

Opponent production per 48 minutes.

FG%: 53%
PER: 18.2
inside FG%: 58%

Those aren’t good defensive numbers. But the stats mean nothing I guess.

( note . . . both Perkins and Shaq give up less than 50% FG on inside shots . . which is the mark of centers that defend well around the rim . . and is the only glaring weakness in Al Horford’s defensive game when he plays center . . 60% iFG given up by him )

But keep believing the lie if you want to.

As for Shaq not being part of their best 5 man unit, keep believing that lie too. Although Mike Brown didn’t ue the lineup nearly enough, the lineup of Mo Williams – West – Lebron – Hickson – and Shaq was one of their best defensive lineups last year.

But keep believing lies if you want.

Ken Strickland

September 30th, 2010
1:41 pm

JO JO-I totally agree with your assessment of the Bulls and Bucks, but not the other teams. The Celtics lost their best perimeter defender(TAllen), and have tried to replace him with a collection of players, including head case DWest.

They lost their primary backup center(RWallace), and their starting center(KPerkins) won’t be available before FEB. They’ve replaced them with 2 old, slow, immobile, injury prone players(Shaq & JOneal). They’ve also lost the DEF guru(Thibodeau), who was the architect of last yrs playoff success.

We dominated them last yr because they couldn’t match up with our speed, quickness, athleticism and versatility. At the same time we’ve gotten quicker, faster, more athletic, versatile and talented, while they’ve gotten older, slower, more injury prone, less versatile and athletic. They aren’t going to finish ahead of us anytime soon.

Miami has far too many questions, personnel changes, adjustments, chemistry issues and ego’s to overcome, and that includes GM PRiley. None of the 3 stars they’ve sign can possibly be as effective and productive playing together as they were when dominating the ball and/or the OFF individually last yr. Their bench might look good on paper to some of you, but it’s not all that much.

I think our starting lineup matches up pretty good with theirs.

SF-LJames/MWilliams-Obviously this match up favors Miami, but Marvin has demonstrated he’s not afraid to take on a challenge like Lebron. In fact, he’s turned in some very good DEF performances against him. If he improves his OFF output in LDrew’s motion OFF, it could put a lot of pressure on Lebron and his average at best individual DEF.

C-It doesn’t matter who they start at C, AHorford gives us the advantage.

PF-It doesn’t matter who they start a PF, JSmoove gives us the advantage.

SG-While DWade is a better scorer than JJ, he’s not in his class as an individual defender. And offensively DWade won’t be as prolific, having to share the ball and scoring playing with CBosh and LJames, as he was when he was Miami’s one man OFF. It’s unlikely that Lebron or DWade has ever had to play in an actual structured OFF where they HAD to share the ball.

They’ll be very vulnerable to zone DEF’s, because their starting lineup won’t be much of an outside shooting threat. Their lack of DEF will force them to compensate by trying to outscore their opponents. With PRiley’s massive ego, and desire to coach his personal collection of talent, everyone in the Heat organization knows he’ll be looking for any excuse to take over the HC duties. That will put everyone, especially the HC, on pins and needles waiting for PRiley to come down from his perch to take over as HC. They’re not going to be the team everyone seems to believe or hope they’ll be.

As far as Orlando is concerned, it’s obvious DHoward works very hard on his physique during the off season, but seemingly very little on his still very limited OFF gm, or his habit of fouling. With his limited OFF skills, why not play him straight up and let him try to carry the team offensively, and use our speed, quickness and athleticism to limit the production of his teammates. With 4 centers, and our motion OFF, we can make him work his butt into exhaustion, and/or foul trouble.

I won’t say we’ll have the team with the most talent, but I’ll say we’ll have the most talented TEAM, and I predict we’ll earn one of the top 2 seeds in the East.

Samuel

September 30th, 2010
1:46 pm

4/160. I guess that makes me a .975 empty fan. LOL!!

Melvin

September 30th, 2010
2:10 pm

Grandad,

I just viewed the video of LD’s interview. I also noticed Josh in the background shooting 3’s. His shot does look better. I did see him make one but couldn’t tell how many he actually made/missed from the angles of the camera…lol

Kapoonka

September 30th, 2010
2:11 pm

Nick had mad game, and played his heart out. I really hope this works out because Teague is due. On another note….I remember Tyra Banks coming into the Lakers locker room, and my man Nick was so smitten he couldn’t even talk to her. It was classic to see a pro athlete respond like a regular joe. Don’t think Tyra could make him swoon now, but Beyonce……..

dap01

September 30th, 2010
2:27 pm

It is nice to hear and see the changes that Drew is working on. He is looking forward with Teague (Woodson did nothing except put him down). Drew is proactive in making Josh a leader (Woodson did nothing except put him down). Drew hired a defensive coach (Woodson switched and was abused). Drew hired a coach to help Teague (Woodson again just put him down). Drew will use an offense that compliments our talents (Woodson was lost on offense).

Has anyone hired woodson?

Rod from College Park

September 30th, 2010
2:33 pm

vava74,

So per your logic Shaq, J.Oneal and Big Baby < Perkins, Wallace and Big Baby. OK. You do know that Wallace was terrible all year until the playoffs.

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

Ken . . . does the fact that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh frequently played and practiced together being a part of Team USA count for anything?

I mean, it’s not like these guys have never played with each other.

You’re talking about these guys having problems sharing the ball? Please. Both Lebron and Wade have proven throughout their careers to be unselfish players. Sharing the ball wll be the least of their issues. Both Lebron and Wade could easily average over 7 assists on this squad.

I mean . . damn Ken. We’re essentially bringing back the same Hawks team, and Miami ( without Lebron, Bosh, Mike Miller, and Big Z ), blew us out twice last year.

You can keep talking the “Miami isn’t all that” theme if you want. But the facts are that Riley has assembled the right pieces together to make a SERIOUS championship run. And for the Hawks to beat that team, we’re going to need EVERYBODY playing at the highest level possible . . . especially defensively, which doesn’t seem to be the focus for Drew right now.

It’s just silly to keep trying to find holes in that team, but act like the weak additions that we added are going to elevate us to borderline elite status.

The Hawks should be a solid 50 win team. Miami’s worst case scenario as a team is that they win 55. And only teams with powerful frontlines and/or great defensive teams, are going to be able to take them out.

LOL . . who do you try to stop on the Heat? Who do you double team? And if you double somebody, Mike Miller ( the best 3 point shooter in the league last year ), is waiting on the outside to knock the shot down.

Tell me Ken . . . which squad would you rather have? Theirs or ours?

Rod from College Park

September 30th, 2010
2:41 pm

Ken Stricland,

“They lost their primary backup center(RWallace), and their starting center(KPerkins) won’t be available before FEB. They’ve replaced them with 2 old, slow, immobile, injury prone players(Shaq & JOneal). They’ve also lost the DEF guru(Thibodeau), who was the architect of last yrs playoff success.”

So i guess Doc Rivers, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Rondo will forget all of their defensive principles because Coach Thibodeau is not there. OK. Those two old, slow, immoble centers have sure given Atlanta a lot of problems over the years. I guess this year will be different because we are running a magic offense. (LOL)

Hawks Fan

September 30th, 2010
3:00 pm

This is a great move by coach Drew BUT i’m sorry Jeff has to want that DOG to come out on his own..He is a very quiet soft spoken 6′0″ guard that is super quick..has a below average J and turns the ball over a ton! In my eyes the only two people on this team that need to show more DOG is Marvin and Joe…Marvin was the 2nd pick in the draft and is on the bench in the 4th quarter with 2pts..Joe was actually quoted in the media for the 1st time in over 5 years just last season! Those two are starters..those two are match up nightmares those TWO NEED TO STEP UP…BOTTOM LINE!!

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
3:11 pm

dap01, you do realize that the PG coachlast year was a guy name Larry Drew, right?

MsDee

September 30th, 2010
3:22 pm

@northcyde, ‘which squad would you rather have? Theirs or ours?’

I know this question was directed towards Ken S but I couldnt resist.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE OURS..first of all, the Heat had to ‘create’ a group of guys basically to ‘cheat’ their way to a ring which is sad to a point. Any and all sports should be about the competition and not the ‘GIVING IN’ mentality! Ken S. made some AWESOME insight on both the Heat and the Hawks, but for you to be a ’so-called fan’ you ALWAYS find a way to think very highly of other teams accomplishments and choose to view the negative aspect of ours..why oh why?? I LOVE BEING THE UNDERDOGG and look forward to the POSITIVE gain we will have this up coming season, whether we win 50+ games or not, just has long as we play better to have an ALL AROUND GAME instead of the ONE DIMENSIONAL game that Woody had for us!!

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
3:23 pm

To Melvin -&- vava also -@- nc.

About Josh’s shooting mechanics. Melvin – early on Josh should
expect some misses but hope that he does not get frustrated
then revert to his old flawed stroke, [It takes awhile] patience.

vava – what I saw was him shooting as opposed to throwing.
[oversimplification]
Still still falling away, much improved. [baby steps]

nc:
“Josh Smith can’t shoot”
“will never be a decent outside shooter on the NBA level”

I beg to differ:

While Josh will never become Ray Allen,
he can cease to be a brick mason.

I am currently writing a disqisition [thesis] for publication
on shooting mechanics in which I take on *nature vs nurture
in my argument. *[heredity vs environment]
*heredity = physical stature, musculature, etc.
*environment = training, when did training begin, etc.

Too much to debate on this blog.
Hoewever, my position is:
“Josh can ‘-greatly-’ improve his shooting”!

MsDee

September 30th, 2010
3:24 pm

KEN S. continue to be our ’savior’ on this blog..THE ONE WHO IS TRULY A FAN OF THE HAWKS!!

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

September 30th, 2010
3:37 pm

This article by FAR…is the most interesting in awhile (not a knock on you MC, I know things have been slow around Hawks nation)

but all this talk about Marvin, Joe, Smoove, and especially available bigs has been rather “blah”

To recognize that Teague’s skills are there but his attitude and demeanor arent (as of now) so the team/coaches need to get “IT” out of him is very key and intriguing.

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
3:39 pm

Two points:

(1) Teaguer – it’s not that he has never shown competitiveness.
It’s that he lost his edge last year. NVE will help him restore
that lost mojo.

(2) Bargnani – I’m not certain what yawl are debating?
-But-
The young man is an intriguing player whose stats mirror
Bosh’s almost identically except reb’s.
Just sayin’ – wish we had him.

newkid

September 30th, 2010
3:40 pm

AJ, not sure if you’ve been around long enough to remember Larry Drew as a player. If so, you’ll recall that he didn’t exactly exhibit ‘the dog’ he wishes to have Nick the Quick extract from Teague. So maybe LD realized what some here have asserted about Marvin: if it’s not within you, no one and nothing can coach it out of you. Maybe LD realized that he needed an assistant coach fully imbued with ‘the dog’ to mentor Teague; something that perhaps he himself (i.e., LD) was not equipped to accomplish. Kudos to LD if in fact he recognized this weakness in his attributes, and was selfless enough to seek help. Takes a ‘big’ man to do that, and the Hawks will be better for it.

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
3:43 pm

*Bargnani – yeah, yeah, *scoring avg.
*[shooting % indicate that it would be the same if...]

Grandad

September 30th, 2010
3:45 pm

newkid

keen observation!

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

September 30th, 2010
4:08 pm

I believe both Horford and Smoove will be great vocal leaders this season. I don’t think I am alone in assuning josh will his new role as captain.

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
4:17 pm

newkid, I do remember Drew and I immediately applauded his hire of Van Exel. Just trying to set the record straight regarding the previous coach, who in fact, had an assistant coach in place to work with PGs. (One who has even produced an instructional video on PG play). Over on Ray’s blog, I called for a younger asst. coach weeks before Van Exel was hired because I thought it would provide our still young nucleus with a more relatable person to work with. I have suggested at least twice that the Van Exel hire may be the best move of the summer by the Hawks. But let’s not suggest that the previous administration ignored the need for a PG position coach… that is patently false. If you want to say the previous coach chose the wrong PG coach, that’s another story.

Sautee

September 30th, 2010
4:23 pm

Ramon,

Yes, we can agree to disagree in what we read in the article, but…..

You’re not off the hook yet. You stated this “Section 303, is Al whining when he states (over and over) that he can’t win without playing the PF position?”

I say he NEVER said that, and that you are using your own interpretation of what you read. I challenge you to either give up that assertion, or show us exactly where he said that. If he truly said that “over and over”, as you claim, then surely it should be easy to find a link to a quote.

And I appreciate your taking the time to look up the article. Take a little more, please and show me where Al said what you claim.

Or give up the claim.

newkid

September 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

Thanks Grandad.

MC’s post on this ‘dog’ thing has prompted me to think of others guards from NBA lore (not named Jordan) who’ve unmistakenly exhibited this characteristic. I’ve imagined myself turning the packages of an ‘NBA dictionary’ and coming to a stop next to the expression ‘the dog’, and prominently posted there are pictures of Gary Payton and Zeke. Then I remembered a cat I saw play college ball a time or two who might have moved into that same company if he’d decided to make a legal living on the hardwood: Pee Wee Kirkland. Bet you guys could cite tons more of that ilk.

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
4:32 pm

newkid, STEVE NASH. He doesn’t get credit (for reasons which I won’t discuss here), but dude is a KILLA! I have learned to appreciate his game and his ability to destroy opposing teams with clever passes and then to put the nail in the coffin with a big time 3 ball.

Others include Rod Strickland, a once young Baron Davis, a break-your-ankles Tim Hardaway and an injured-too-young Penny Hardaway. And I MUST add Mr. Flip Murray, the last Hawk who brought some serious DOG to this squad (at a 5th of Jamal’s salary).

But Mr. Nash is a tough SOB who will fling those locks around like a pretty boy while ripping you apart like a Geroge Clinton Atomic Dog.

newkid

September 30th, 2010
4:38 pm

AJ, yes I recall you giving multiple early props to LD for the Van Exel hire. And I couldn’t agree more with your assertion that, from an extremely small sample size, this could turn out to be the best move Sund has made since bringing in JCross to fill the 6th man role. But not because Teague needed a coach, surely he had that in Drew; rather because Teague needed a dog extractor. Personally I’d have preferred Gary Payton, but Van Exel will do just fine.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

September 30th, 2010
4:42 pm

If Teague rediscovers “the dog” the league better watch out – our offense will be lethal! Woody put “the dog” of Teague had in the dog house, effectively castrated him as a rookie. Van Exel has his work cut out for him.

Sautee

September 30th, 2010
4:48 pm

newkid,

I’m not a fan, but Iverson should certainly be included. As should Jerry Sloan in his playing days (I though you’d appreciate that one).

tyger

September 30th, 2010
4:52 pm

The kid cant shoot and will never be a #1 PG. The D will sag and challenge him to shoot. Great PGs keep the D off-balance due to their abilities to both penetrate and knock down outside shots. Teague only penetrates and once his legs get heavy, its a wrap.

1. Rumeal Robinson
2. Jacque Vaughn
3. Mateen Cleaves
4. Charlie Ward

Astro Joe

September 30th, 2010
4:53 pm

Young dogs commit a bunch of turnovers. Young dogs have to learn how to play winning basketball. I’m glad NVE is here because I have long said the Hawks are mostly wimps and he brings an edge the team sorely needs. But excuse me if I struggle to remember the numerous rings worn by past DOGS (especially young ones). It’s about wins, folk, not who looks best in an NBA Live game.

KevinM

September 30th, 2010
4:53 pm

Ken, I can’t stop laughing:

“We dominated them last yr because they couldn’t match up with our speed, quickness, athleticism and versatility. At the same time we’ve gotten quicker, faster, more athletic, versatile and talented, while they’ve gotten older, slower, more injury prone, less versatile and athletic. They aren’t going to finish ahead of us anytime soon.”

How have we gotten quicker with an older Marvin, and older Bibby, an older iso Joe, an older JC1, an older Mo, and older Thomas, Zaza, and Collins. The 2 O’Neals will make oatmeal out of our bench big men. Truly classic that we are more versatile now over last year. How does that happen with the same roster?

Miami beats us 3 out of 4 games last year, and now we match up better with them. Miami gains 10 games on us this year. No more watching DWade a cast of boring teammates.

Wow, this offseason truly has been a godsend for us to see the Hawks now getting serious about contending. The things that were holding us back: Woody, Randolph, Mario, Joe Smith and Mark Price are gone now.

Average Age: 25.1
Average Height: 6-7

This roster matches up height wise with the league but the age average is the issue.

Dos Hawkquis

September 30th, 2010
4:57 pm

MC, NIREMETAL, BIG RAY, DR MARY B, VAVA, KEN STRICKLAND and any other “CAPOLOGIST”

Could the Hawks offer Jamal Crawford a 4/25mil and still re-sign Horford, without putting us over the cap? Would this be offensive to JC1?

We have Mo’ Evans coming off the books next yr and Bibby the year after that.

“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”

northcyde

September 30th, 2010
5:11 pm

No ma’am Ms Dee. You can’t put that negative fan label on me. I’m simply realistic about things.

You and Ken can be elated about the additions of Collins, Thomas, Powell, and Pape Sy. But I would bet that 70% of this fan base isn’t.

Why?

Because we needed REAL talent to upgrade the bench, to make sure that we could be right there with the elite teams in the conference . . . not leftover players that nobody wanted.

I didn’t see him, or you, or anybody else talking about . .”man, if we could only re-sign Collins and bring in Josh Powell, we’d be set for next year.”

I’m a die hard Hawks fan, but also a realist fan. I don’t live in Hawk Utopia or Hawk Purgatory.

I definitely didn’t last season, as I enjoyed thoroughly watching the Hawks, while others went into panic or hate mode everytime we lost 2 games in a row or 3 out of 4. A lot of you couldn’t even enjoy last season, because you were too worried about Woody doing so well, that he’d get another extension.

Luckily for you and Ken and the others, the Hawks and Woody bombed so bad in the playoffs, that a decision to not renew his contract was easy . . . despite the fact he was the coach of the 5th most successful team in the 40 years the Hawks have been in Atlanta.

I have said all summer that while the gap between us, Chicago, and Milwaukee has definitely closed, I still think we’re better than those 2 teams. Barring multiple injuries, there should be no reason why the Haws shouldn’t win 48 to 52 games this season.

But like I said . . . I’m a realist as well. Because I know good and well that if the Hawks don’t become a much better team defensively, it’s niot going to matter how good we are offensively.

I also know that the scrup players we added aren’t going to help this team much. Etan MAYBE, but people like Collins, Powell, and Sy won’t. Jordan probably won’t either, unless he wows the socks off of people during the preseason.

So my hope lies in our REAL CORE. . . . JJ, Smoove, and Horford. They’re the ones that have the most chance of seeing their games go to that next level. If all 3 of those guys can turn into legit All-Stars ( i.e. – top 4 at their respective position ), we now have a puncher’s chance at the elite squads.

newkid

September 30th, 2010
5:16 pm

Sautee, my parents barely had tv when Sloan played with the Bulls, but I do vaguely remember he and Stormin Norman. Hated them both, but probably because they were both afflicted with ‘the dog’. Loved Butter Bean though.

AJ, Zeke was the prototypical ‘young dog’, and he benefitted greatly from ‘Up Chuck’ (sorry, that’s the moniker one of my pals hung on Daly) playing him early. Now, how many O’Brien’s did he have?