Atlanta Hawks: Captain Smoove (!)

L.D. wants Josh to tone it down as captain.

L.D. wants Josh to tone it down as captain.

It probably comes as no surprise that L.D. named Al one of his three team captains. He’s a mature guy with some natural leadership qualities, won two championships at Florida and already started down that path when he called out teammates for poor effort during the Orlando series.

J.J. is an obvious choice, too. He’s Atlanta’s Alpha Dog, the leading scorer, a four-time All-Star and the team’s highest-paid player.

But Josh Smith?

The erratic, emotional forward prone to demonstrative outbursts when things don’t go his way? The first Hawks player who came to mind when you heard about the league instructing officials to crack down on expressions of displeasure? The player who sometimes gives up on plays when he’s frustrated by officials?

Josh Smith as captain?

“That was something that was concern of mine, as well, then I was thinking about it,” L.D. said. “I had a conversation with him about that. He told me, ‘Look, Coach, I spent time this summer talking to myself about that. I know I have to do a better job in that.’

“I’m hoping that with this responsibility that he will look at things a little differently. It puts him in a different light. Some of those behaviors that he has had on the floor, you just can’t do that anymore. I am hoping that giving him more of a responsibility will steer his thinking in a whole different direction.”

If you are looking for some early specifics about the difference in approach between L.D. and Woody, this is a big one.

In my time on the beat, Woody never publicly rebuked Smoove for his outbursts. His style was to instead handle such matters internally during film sessions and in private talks. When public criticism of Josh reached a pitch after Hubie Brown’s comments about Josh during the Orlando series, Woody vehemently defended Josh.

By naming Josh captain and saying he needs to change his on-court demeanor, L.D. is putting very public expectations on him. Smoove said he’s ready for the responsibility.

“I have to take a different approach to this season,” he said. “I definitely have to carry myself in a whole different fashion because when you are captain you have to be more of a leader. I have to lead by example.

“I am an emotional player, obviously. Everybody knows that. But [I] just kind of have to hold my emotions together and just play basketball and stay positive throughout the game, no matter what happens.”

J.J. and Bibby were the team captains last season. Al was just in his third season and Josh still had some maturing to do.

“I think it’s time, both he and Al,” L.D. said. “They have been in this thing long enough. Certainly they have shown areas of growth in that [leadership] department. I just think it’s time for both of them to take a step. I am going to expect some certain things from them being the leaders.

“Along with being captains comes responsibility. Their teammates look at them in a different light, the public looks at them in a different light with those titles. You have got to live up to those titles.”

Smoove certainly has the basketball credentials to be captain. He’s pretty outspoken, too, unafraid to voice his opinion. Shoot, he’s been around longer than any Hawks player so he can stake a legitimate claim to this team.

And it’s not that he’s shown no leadership ability at all. He might have been the most frustrated player when the Hawks bogged down in isolations last season, and I still vividly remember him imploring his teammates to share the ball during that stirring W at Utah.

Smoove won’t be 25 until Dec. 5, but he’s much older in NBA years. He’s a grizzled vet, an established guy in the league. Now he’s a team captain.

“This is my seventh year, man,” he said. “I’ve been through the ups and downs. I have experienced it all. I just want to get deep in the playoffs so I can say I’ve experienced that [too].”

L.D. is counting on Smoove to help lead the way.

MC

222 comments Add your comment

Dub C

September 28th, 2010
3:26 pm

Wow. I figured JJ and probably Al, but Smoove? I didn’t see that one coming. But I think it can be positive for him and his continued development. Go Hawks!!!

Lacsho

September 28th, 2010
3:32 pm

I don’t understand why JJ is a captain. He lacks all of the characteristics to be a leader. He’s a good basketball player, but he sucks as a captain.

coachx

September 28th, 2010
3:37 pm

I hope he matures into that role not only for the team but for himself.

A lot of kids look up to Smoove in this town. He could really have a positive effect in their lives with added maturity on the floor. They don’t need to be going through “Y” league acting like some NBA players do on the floor.

Dub C

September 28th, 2010
3:37 pm

Lacsho, honestly I think JJ being captain is more because of what he does on the court (scoring, etc.) versus his leadership abilities. I’m not saying I agree, but that’s the only thing I can come up with.

Coscro

September 28th, 2010
3:37 pm

Great move. You sometimes have to force maturity on some young men. When he looks on film and sees that as a captain he didn’t show effort, how can he say anything to the other guys? Also, it removes a little bit of that GUARD dominant culture Woody promoted.

MC, do you think anything can be read into the quotes by LD saying that Bibby is the PG until Teague or SOMEONE else beats him out? Is anybody else in the running for that starting PG spot? Either of the JC’s?

plastic man.

September 28th, 2010
3:38 pm

LD. Just let him know it is not a pass to fire up 3’s at any time. Keep him moving in the new offense. Preferably within 15 feet of the rim. Remind him he is a slam dunk champ not a three point rifleman. He can pass the rock pretty good so if he is caught outside, drive and dish. It looks like we are still a true #5 away from the promise land but it should be a fun team to watch.

Melvin

September 28th, 2010
3:46 pm

Good for Smoove…

jdewayneatl

September 28th, 2010
3:47 pm

Smoove plays as hard as anyone on the team. This move by LD shows his confidence for Smoove’s game and for Smoove as a person. I think Josh has matured enough to know that he has to return the favor and go harder than he normally does and that will be absolutely havoc for the rest of the league.

niremetal

September 28th, 2010
3:48 pm

Man, this is almost as bad an idea as making JJ a captain was 5 years ago. Josh is not the “captain” type, though for a very different reason than JJ. Drew shoulda made Horford the captain and just been done with it. I don’t think JJ would have objected – in fact, I have a feeling he doesn’t want to be captain anymore.

Would Josh have had a problem with Horf being named sole captain? Maybe. If so…is that the kind of attitude you would want from your captain?

The Truth

September 28th, 2010
3:51 pm

Another impressive move by LD; he’s killing two birds with one stone. Giving Josh the “captain” title, will give him more credentials and reasons to elevate his game. But also, it sends a message to Al Horford that he is in their long term plans. On the flip side though, it takes some leverage away from the Hawks during contract negotiations with Al as they appear overly anxious to keep him.

Michael Cunningham

September 28th, 2010
3:52 pm

@ Coscro: “MC, do you think anything can be read into the quotes by LD saying that Bibby is the PG until Teague or SOMEONE else beats him out? Is anybody else in the running for that starting PG spot? Either of the JC’s?”

my reading of that is that L.D. meant Bibby nor any other player would lose their job unless someone beats them out. everything they have talked about is Teague getting a crack. they haven’t even started scrimmaging yet so it’s too early to say how things are shaping up.

The Truth

September 28th, 2010
3:57 pm

From the previous blog:

I expect Mo Evan injury will bode well for PT for Jordon Crawford assuming he impress in camp.

MC: Find out if LD plans to call Jordon Crawford “Rook” or will he abandon that whole nonsense? Ask Teague what he felt about the title and did it work on his psyche. I often wondered if labeling a player that way had any real value other than a constant reminder that he is a rookie when trying to mature as NBA player.

mark

September 28th, 2010
3:57 pm

i like ld logic, i think it’s part of keeping the core together, and josh smith next step, it’s more responsibility for him. and if he prove he can’t handle it then personal i think it time to hit the door via trade, because we do have a true pf, you take his talent and his continue improvement and a mature keep your head in the game, it make us a better team. during our playoff match up against orlando the last couple of years js and ah really have been the only two player to truly show up to compete. go hawks nice move ld.

Coscro

September 28th, 2010
4:02 pm

Thanks for the response MC. I saw updates and musings on all the players attitudes as camp begins except for Josh Powell. How is he looking attitude wise? Any sign of the “leadership” that was talked about from his LA days?

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
4:03 pm

The Truth -

I don’t think it’s any secret that the Hawks view Al as part of their “core”. He and his agent already knew that. And I think most people know that’s why JC likely won’t get a contract extension before the season.

Sara

September 28th, 2010
4:06 pm

Interesting. I think most Hawks fans may be surprised, but if he says he’s working on his emotions then I have no problem giving him a chance to be a captain. A good chance for him to show he can be a leader.

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
4:07 pm

MC -

I thought LD had said the players were going to vote on captains. Is this who they voted for, and he just signed off on them, or was this all him?

Interesting that the captains ended up being the 3 players that really make up the “core” of this team.

Tom

September 28th, 2010
4:11 pm

you dont invest 130million in a guy for him not to be a captain

2 FOR JOHN DREW

September 28th, 2010
4:16 pm

Good ! ….. A new blog
Thanks MC !!!!!!
Hey DMB/ GD.

The Truth

September 28th, 2010
4:17 pm

GT Alum

The Hawks view Marvin as part of their core as well but he’s not a captain. Being part of the core and being a captain are two separate things IMO. Having 3 captains on a team is bit usual anyway. There’s clearly more to that decision than something arbitrary.

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
4:17 pm

I like LD’s reasoning behind Smoove being a captain. It puts the onus on Smoove. The Hawks can’t afford for him to go into those funks. Also, regardless of whether he’s got the title of captain, he’s been here longer than anyone else and he’s one of the best players on the team (when his head is in the game). He’s a leader on this team, and maybe the primary face of the franchise. Better to make it official, so he knows what’s expected of him than to try to shelter him from that. If he doesn’t learn how to deal with calls better, he’s likely to go down the same road ‘Sheed did in Portland. It’s just too bad he doesn’t have someone like Phil Jackson or Vlade to teach him how to get the officials to make the calls he wants.

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
4:23 pm

The Truth -

And Marvin still got paid despite not doing nearly as much to earn it. Marvin was also coming off his best year when he got signed. He’s core now because the Hawks have a significant amount of money committed to him over several years. If Marvin was a FA this offseason and JC made his sign me or trade me demand, I wonder just how much the Hawks would consider Marvin a part of the “core”. I just think it’s pretty clear that some players are more “core” to this team than others, but maybe the organization doesn’t see it that way.

BBgenie

September 28th, 2010
4:24 pm

What ever LD needs to do too get better Team Leadership on the floor during games we must do quickly. Go with the Best Five we got, if that means JC1 must start, Oh well let’s do it. This team is under the NBA Radar,opposing teams Don’t fear the Hawks. WHY?????????????????

i_am_soulstar

September 28th, 2010
4:32 pm

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dstdeelite

September 28th, 2010
4:40 pm

Sautee

September 28th, 2010
4:41 pm

doc has been saying for two seasons that it’s Josh’s team if anyone’s.

I guess LD agrees. Another interesting psychological move by Drew.

kwooden1

September 28th, 2010
4:42 pm

I like the move of making Smoove captain, because its a clear message that he needs to change his attitude on the court. We all know that he’s the most talented guy on the team, now the team is saying he must act like one of the best players on the team. It also shows me that LD might have a better feel for team than Woody. This is almost a no lose move for LD. Its all on Smoove to show that he’s a leader and he’s clearly the kind of guy that wants the challenge. He’s not afraid of big moments or taking big shots. Personnally I think Smoove will respond, I just hope that it translates to WINS!!

Rev in Tampa

September 28th, 2010
4:44 pm

The real leader that will make the difference for the Hawks this season is Coach Drew. His leadership is focused, bold, and refreshing.

Harry Hawk

September 28th, 2010
4:58 pm

Larry Drew will lead us to a first or second-round playoff exit, but at least the players will like him.

I can’t wait.

i_am_soulstar

September 28th, 2010
4:58 pm

This is a great move by LD. With a 3 headed-captain, you solve the issue of Joe Johnson being a natural leader. The Hawks needed leadership (not just a leading scorer), and the problem may have just been solved without making a single trade. Awesome move out the gate LD.

Daniel

September 28th, 2010
5:06 pm

Good article MC. Really, touched all the salient points of this issue. Ultimately, this is a calculated risk move, and I like it. I have always wondered why Josh, who has demonstrated a lot of maturity in his personal life, can’t translate that to the court. Maybe this is the carrot he needs.

Still, the Hawks don’t have enough talent to get out of the second round of the playoffs.

Rev in Tampa

September 28th, 2010
5:11 pm

Harry Hawk, you miss the point. Coach Drew has made it clear that he is not trying to win friends. He has just spoken in public about Josh’s whining. He is saying it is time to grow up.

George Patton’s was not motivated by whether his troops liked him or not. But his troops loved him because he was a leader they could rely on.

Drew’s three-headed Captain reminds me of Patton’s strategy: “I told each Corps Commander that I expected him to get there first, so as to produce a proper feeling of revalry.”

In regard to Josh, Drew has given him a “proper feeling” of responsibility to encourage Josh to become more responsible.

kwooden1

September 28th, 2010
5:12 pm

Harry the NBA is very predictable, so we all know if the HAWKS want to make it to round 3 they will have to be able to consistantly beat Boston, Orlando and Miami (maybe Chicago) No Off-season player moves would have changed that accept including the name of the team that Lebron ended up with! LD is saying the right things and making logical decisions. If it continues I will be fine with LD, its up to the players to actually win games. They have to improve their games. Knock down open shots, finish at the basket, draw fouls and get stops. LD can only put them in a position to be successful, they have to execute!

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
5:17 pm

We have our ” Big 3″!

Section 303

September 28th, 2010
5:18 pm

Al is an obvious captain choice. He is, in fact, the only Hawks player I see worthy of being a captain.

Josh acts like a spoiled brat sometimes. Joe is a d-bag. I don’t see why there needs to be three captains. Just call Al captain and leave it at that. He is the only one who has earned the title.

The Truth

September 28th, 2010
5:22 pm

Just to keep it fair and balance with Marvin after my recent bashings:

This is the kind of rhetoric I like hearing from him. Now, if he (can) just walk-the-walk with his talking then maybe one day he can be “The Truth” (In his own way)

“Anybody that knows Marvin Williams knows I play to win. It’s not about if you have four points or forty points. No one will remember that. I was a sixth man on a national championship team and no one can ever take that away,” stated Williams to HOOPSWORLD.

“They might not have known my stats, but they know I won a national championship in 2005. So at the end of the day, that’s all that matters (winning). I don’t ever feel underappreciated. I love my teammates and I love being in the city of Atlanta” continued Williams.”

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17443#ixzz10rT0ZhBf

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
5:27 pm

Section 303, is Al whining when he states (over and over) that he can’t win without playing the PF position, when he knows he’s not the best PF on the team? Is that doing what’s best for the team?

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
5:33 pm

Grandad, here’s a question for you. Although neither team would pull the trigger probably, who would get the best deal out of a trade that sends Artest to the Hawks for JC1 and Marvin?

drmaryb (*_*)

September 28th, 2010
5:36 pm

It Takes Three!

Well fellas, it looks like we got our Big Three too.
Consensus is, it takes three to make a thing go right.

The Zen Master!

Looks like we got the East Coast version of the L.A. Zen Master.
I have been quietly watching Coach Drew work his magic on
this team. Ultimately, it all boils down to communication and
these guys will run through a wall for you. Hopefully,
that will start with sharing the load on offense and parlay
into some serious “help-style” defensive.

The best defense I ever witnessed was Lenny Wilkens Hawks Team.
I recall Pippen stating in a posþ game interview after
a Bulls road loss, “They were swarming on
defense, we were unable to put the ball on the
floor before help came. Every time the ball hit
the floor in the post, the guards would strip
it from our bigs!”

That was Smitty and Mookie leading the charge and
Dikembe swiping the boards!
That’s whaþ I saw in The Celtics as well this past
season. We all know Smitty had balky knees, but
he played some serious defense to compliment his
offense.

Daniel

September 28th, 2010
5:42 pm

The Truth- it doesn’t bother you that Marvin referred to himself in the third person in that article?

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
5:42 pm

@ DrMary, and he worked the refs, lol. Then you could handcheck though. I wish the league let the players go back to handchecking.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 28th, 2010
5:43 pm

This doesn’t surprise me — it’s really just process of elimination. If you’re going to have three captains, who else are you going to pick after Smoove? Bibby, who ideally will be a bench player by December at the latest? Jamal, who is mixed up in trade rumors? Marvin, who has a hard enough time motivating himself? Teague, who has started two games in his career and has more to prove than any other Hawk?

I’ve always thought the “Josh is a malcontent” theory was overblown. There are some players who show outwardly negative emotion because they don’t care, like Randy Moss used to in the past. There are some who do so because they want to be the center of attention, like Terrell Owens. I think Josh fits into a third category of players who are genuinely frustrated by not winning but don’t know how to properly express this. And to be honest, after the playoff debacle against Orlando, I think the Hawks could use some more genuine frustration.

Sautee

September 28th, 2010
5:48 pm

Ramon,

I know you weren’t talking to me but…..

“Section 303, is Al whining when he states (over and over) that he can’t win without playing the PF position, when he knows he’s not the best PF on the team? Is that doing what’s best for the team?”

WTF are you talking about? Al WHINING? When and how? And tell me when did he say that he can’t win without playing PF???????

All I’ve seen is him honestly answering a question put to him. And that’s whining?

Should he have said “no comment”?

I’m confused by your accusation. Can you clear things up for me please?

drmaryb (*_*)

September 28th, 2010
5:53 pm

Magic – City!

Maybe Joe had something, when he found his beautiful
girl at the strip club?

We need a Ball Stipper too! Like Smitty and Mookie did for
The Hawks! If Teague and Joe can help Al and Zsa out, by
rotating the guards into the post on help defense.

The minute Dwight catches the ball, send the two guards
in there to strip the ball before he puts it on the floor.
The minute the ball hits the floor, swipe at it with four
hands. This will frustrate any Big to no end and disrupt
what he wanþs to do, which is catch, dribble, turn and
shoot.

I hope Conner has a great scheme for this team, with a combo
of zones, man to man and help switches.

MsDee

September 28th, 2010
5:56 pm

Yet, another GREAT choice in LD!! Mann, LD, where have u been all this time?? Oh yeah, that’s right..behind stupid, stubborn Woody!! So glad he’s gone and a REAL coach is here. A coach that has a road map for his players, unlike the one that Woody had which always led to a dead-end..now its just up to the players to drive according to the map and not decide to take a detour off track.

The Truth

September 28th, 2010
6:19 pm

Daniel about this comment:

“The Truth- it doesn’t bother you that Marvin referred to himself in the third person in that article?”

Let me check my 3rd grade english:

“I” or “we” (first-person), or “you” (second-person).he”, “she”, “it”, or “they” (third-person).

Here are quotes from Marvin comments:

“I hope so”
“I don’t think anyone in here (players) thinks Orlando is 25 points better than us”
“I play to win”
“I was a sixth man on a national championship team”
“I won a national championship in 2005″
“I don’t ever feel underappreciated”
“I love my teammates”
“I love being in the city of Atlanta”

(Yeap!) Looks like first person to me (Lol)

northcyde

September 28th, 2010
6:23 pm

Definitely a good move to name Smoove captain. Not only does it delegate more responsibility to him on how he conducts himself, it officially creates our version of the BIG 3 on the Hawks.

But while everyone is talking about Smoove, I think the “C” on the jersey will bebefit Horford the most. He’s the guy that feels that he can take on a much bigger role in the offense. Being a captain may motivate him to be much more of an offensive presence this season.

3 captains with 3 different functions.

JJ: The captan that leads by example with his play on both ends of the court, and by his work ethic and willingness to do whatever it takes to win. Think Joe Dumars on those mid to late-80s Pistons teams.

Smoove: The captain that is the emotional heartbeat of the club that provides the necessary energy the ballclub needs. Think Antoine Waker in the late 90s early 2000s in Boston or how KG now is in Boston.

Horford: The cerebral captain of the team whose job is to keep the Hawks in the right positions on the court and in the right frame of mind when adversity strikes, while exerting the necessary toughness on the frontline. Think Tim Duncan and how he leads ( minus the crying ) in San Antonio.

truthspitter

September 28th, 2010
6:25 pm

Cool, but it may be a problem when you don’t have a PG that is worthy of being a captain. On the other hand, if the offense is worth a darn or as advertised, Joe, Josh, or Al should be able to initiate the offense because all are pretty good passers. I would love to see Al or Josh initiate the offense since both will have quickness and skill advantages on most nights. They could help others get easy shots.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 28th, 2010
6:29 pm

Stay on The Bus!

The Truth didn’t want to do it!
But, he had too.

He had to school Daniel on the blog today.
Gee, why do people use words that they don’t know the meaning of?

That might work at the Bus Stop, but there are way too many
intellectuals on this blog.

Aye, Daniel, try that ish on the Bucks or Heat blog, they don’t
know any better. Those cats will fall for anything, I hear.

doc

September 28th, 2010
6:32 pm

well, if marvin doesnt catch fire this year and begin to show some nuggets maybe he can be a captain next year, too.

hope josh can live up to his objectives because he is truly the only one getting in his way. agree with najeh his frustrations though very immature are about winning. if he gets this behind him katy bar the door. always have seen this kind of ability and he has done what he has set out to each year once his mind has been set like last year to stay inside the three point ejection line. he has been a good kid, tie to grow into the monster man he can become. if that does it cool, i have long been in his corner. just do it, josh.

vava74

September 28th, 2010
6:34 pm

Bold and intelligent move by LD, however I doubt that it will produce the results we all expect.

Smoove will continue to complain. The difference is that he will now believe he is really entitled to do it because he is captain.

He is too emotional.

I hope that I am wrong though.

vava74

September 28th, 2010
6:35 pm

I agree with the attempt. He had to try this.

truthspitter

September 28th, 2010
6:38 pm

In other news, Pape Sy and Mo Evans coming to camp injured does not make me feel good about either. Also, Cunningham, if you can, can you tell us if you got to see the portion that included the timed mile? I read somewhere that a 6 minute mile is good, anything else is really not good for an athlete that is supposed to be world class. Can you tell us if any Hawks came into camp in good enough shape to run the mile in 6 minutes or less?

Will Sev

September 28th, 2010
6:39 pm

I think Coach Drew made the right decision by naming these 3 players as captains. None of the 3 have a Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant kind of leadership(at least from what we’ve seen), but the combination of the 3 as captains creates a good type of leadership.

Most of you are saying that this will benefit Josh Smith, but I think it will actually benefit the other two captains as well. Smoove’s maturation speeds up since expectations are high, Horford gets to get out his shell more and can become more vocal without having to worry about stepping on people’s toes, and it takes off pressure from Joe to lead a top NBA team by example and vocally all by himself.
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Rev in Tampa

September 28th, 2010
6:51 pm

doc, your comments about Marvin being captain next year makes me wonder if this will light a fire under Marvin’s butt. The 3-headed captain seems to communicate that the sacred ‘core’ is limited to ‘three’ instead of ‘four’.

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
6:55 pm

Najeh -

Well, I don’t know that it’s always not winning. I think if we’re winning but he feels like he’s not getting calls, he still gets demonstrably upset. You can spin that as selfish, but I think it’s understandable. If you feel like the refs are screwing you, you’re going to get upset.

Josh really just needs to learn how to work the refs. Right now, he’s taking the ‘Sheed path, and we know that doesn’t work well. I honestly think that’s one thing we’re missing. Almost every championship team knows how to work the refs and get calls. I don’t see any evidence that this team knows how to do that. Maybe that’s something Nick the Quick can teach.

tjhook

September 28th, 2010
6:58 pm

Has anyone considers how well Powell and Smoove would be on the court at the same time? Powell is supposed to have a pretty good jumper which may give Smoove and others (Horford, anyone else) a chance to post or cut to the basket.

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
6:58 pm

BTW, I didn’t mean you in “you can spin that” to be specifically you. I meant someone could spin that as selfish.

GovClintonTyree

September 28th, 2010
6:59 pm

Three captains? There are only five guys on the floor. It’s obvious to even a casual observer, I think, that the leader of this team is Al Horford. Mature and respected and a winner.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 28th, 2010
7:00 pm

Unfortunately for Marvin, he has never been part of any core.
At UNC he came off the bench. He has allegedly been part of the
pseudo-core for the Hawks.

The Hawks core has never been clearly defined by management,
as best I can tell.

I don’t think it really bothers Marvin one way or another what
anyone outside that locker room thinks about him or his game.
He doesn’t tweet, nor does he read any papers or blogs from
what I have gathered.

I am sure others have told him – What The People Say!
He prolly rolls over and goes back to sleep.

GT Alum

September 28th, 2010
7:19 pm

drmaryb (*_*) -

Well, I’m pretty sure the reason ASG/Sund gave for re-signing all of Marvin, Bibby and ZaZa was keeping the core together, so those players obviously were thought of as core to some extent. Like I said, I think some players are more “core” than others, but maybe the Hawks org doesn’t share my view.

ryan

September 28th, 2010
7:20 pm

My question is can Josh Smith show Maturity because he has been known to blame other people when things get tough i hope he does well as the leader i just have doubt that he do the job .

KevinM

September 28th, 2010
7:20 pm

3 captains means there is no concern by the ASG of our 2 PFs defending the interior.

There goes any major trade talk.

We now have our 3 amigos out front and center.

Speaking of center, looks like we are counting on people matching up against us versus the other way around. I don’t see that as that big of an advantage personally.

LD preaching the ball movement tonight on NBA TV. 3D has to do all the defending because no other media member is going to.

The Truth

September 28th, 2010
7:30 pm

Though I’m bullish about the decision to make Josh a captain, the only thing I fear is Josh propensity to be the hero and force things rather than playing within himself. He needs to understand (and I hope he will), that being a captain doesn’t automatically make him “Mr. Big Shot”

rusty

September 28th, 2010
7:33 pm

@ lewis give me a break jc is only worth 7-7m while jj is worth 20m,right ha ha
@northcyde the fans are douches & jj is not. he is laughing at you as well as the rest of the fans

ryan

September 28th, 2010
7:42 pm

I would like know who said Marvin was going to be the 1st or 2nd pick in that draft because they must had rocks in there head. i will keep saying it CP3 should be a Hawk right now .

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
8:04 pm

ITS JJ AND JOSH’S TEAM ANY WAY. SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW?

WHATS UP WITH THE HAWKS EFFORT TO FIND A STARTING CENTER? THATS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!

Sound the Trumpet

September 28th, 2010
8:13 pm

hey is that the best story you can write? What did josh do all summer? What did he work on? How about marv what did he do and what did he work on? What are the hawks going to do about a getting a real center?

what are the experts forecasters projecting for the hawks this year? The hawks ended the year better than foretasted last year so will we break into the finals level at last?

We all know Josh is going to have his way any way because its his team and his town and hes got great talent. Tell us something we dont know.

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
8:19 pm

Sautee, on a couple of interviews (radio and television) Al has repeatedly stated that he wants to play PF and he’s playing out of position. Is that not publicly questioning the coach and direction of the team? And is that not also saying that he should be playing PF instead of Josh, even though Josh is rated as the best defensive PF in the league?

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
8:21 pm

Sound, if you’d pull your head out of your butt long enough to look at other posts, you would know MC has already written about Josh’s summer workouts and what he did.

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
8:21 pm

Ramon

Artest is one of my favorite players but you can’t make that trade.
Perhaps as some sort of salary dump, but you give away too much.
LA would do the trade in a heartbeat but we would have to take back
salary filler. On talent alone, I would not trade Jamal fo Artest straight up. [remember, I said Artest is one of my favorite players]

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
8:23 pm

Ramon

Are you drunk?

Mz. Hawkdafied

September 28th, 2010
8:24 pm

I say congrats to Triple Threat (Joe, Josh, and Al). I see each one contributing to leading this team in their own individual ways. Perhaps their different traits will help keep things balanced. They can help each other carry the load and keep the team focused on what they plan to accomplish this year.

I really agree with Coach L.D.’s choice to name three captains. Triple Threat in full effect! Go Hawks!

Teezo

September 28th, 2010
8:24 pm

This was an obvious choice by Coach Drew…Who else would be captains…Like an earlier post said, Smith is an emotional leader…Horford has the heart of a lion and brings it every night…JJ leads by example…You can’t deny these 3, they have earned the team captains medal…Peace…

Mz. Hawkdafied

September 28th, 2010
8:30 pm

I think the Hawks acquired a big three without even trying. TRIPLE THREAT!

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
8:40 pm

Grandad, I agree. I wouldn’t do the trade either. It was just a thought that came to mind. If Artest mind state was on its best behavior, and Sund wasn’t going to re-sign Crawford. Then replacing Marvin with Artest (someone who can guard 3 positions) would be feasible, while still having salary space to re-sign Horford and sign the bargain free agents next season (there will be a lot of them).

Also I’m not drunk. I just get tired of people acting as if Horford is perfect. Horford has repeatedly stated he wants to play PF. So either he’s saying he doesn’t want Josh on the court or he doesn’t want Marvin on the court. Josh at the 3, with Horford at the 4, and a ‘traditional’ center at the 5 would leave Atlanta with only one shooter on the court whenever Teague is in the game. Where is the logic in that? Why wouldn’t a smart coach just run zone against that lineup? Also, Josh often times is giving Horford advice on defense, and on some offensive possessions (”Yo Al, move out Joe and ‘Mal’s way”)

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
8:57 pm

Defination of Coach:

Teacher, *psychologist*, media savvy, tactician, father figure,
authoritarian, middle management [yet] CEO @ the same time,
-&-
He Must Win @ All Costs!!!

*Psychologist = *handling Josh.

Right now LD sure seems to be on top of his game.

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
8:59 pm

Ramon

No disrespect, you just didn’t sound like yourself.

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
9:00 pm

@ Grandad, I agree.

Sound the Trumpet

September 28th, 2010
9:01 pm

“Defination of Coach” LMAO! You didn’t win the spelling bee did you ? Definition of funny!

Definition of a Coach? Mike Woodson!

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
9:03 pm

Did you mean Defamation of a coach or Definition of a coach?

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
9:08 pm

Lol @ Grandad, thanks ( I think) lol. I just think Smoove is as important to this franchise as Al is. Okafor, Chandler, Brand, and others have done what Al does. But who has done what Smoove does?

Ramon

September 28th, 2010
9:09 pm

Smoove could be an 18/10/5/2/2 player this year! And by all accounts he should be able to (if he raise his free throw shooting).

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
9:15 pm

I think what Al is saying is that he knows he’s not a center and is not comfortable playing that spot. He has been very clear that he wants to be back at his natural position. The only problem is Josh is a better power forward than Al.

Al is a solid power forward but Josh is easily top three and maybe the best power forward in the game today. He is so talented and can break teams down in many ways. Yea,”woody lite” better kiss his butt. Its both JJ and Josh’s team and fortunately those two get along very well and actually like each other.

Al is in a difficult situation being forced to play out of position. If the hawks had made a move to get a starting center with defensive strengths Im sure Al would have been comfortable with getting minutes behind Josh and playing some center.

As it plays out, Al may force a trade this year or next to get to a team where he can play the game he likes. Unfortunately for Al, Atlanta native Josh Smith is headed for stardom, is in front of him and better than him.

MsDee

September 28th, 2010
9:22 pm

Ramon,

I too would love to see stats like that from Josh, and he can very well accomplish that! Horford could definitely have similar stats as well, 20/10/2 while Marvin with 13/8/2..Joe of course with 25/7/5/2steals

doc

September 28th, 2010
9:23 pm

gdad, agree. LD has it altogether thus far. talk is cheap i know and doesnt count a bit when it comes to performance and wins. however it is sure setting the stage if he continues along this path and the guys listen and do what he wants them to do on the court. it might be a fun year to hear what he has to say.

MsDee

September 28th, 2010
9:24 pm

Well maybe Horford with 15/10/2 instead 20 pts

DOS HAWKQUIS

September 28th, 2010
9:27 pm

Larry Drew has really, really, really impressed me. As an educator, one thing that I learned while student teaching, is to get the “bully” or hard to manage child on YOUR SIDE. Make him the “captain” of your classroom. Let him pass out books, take the attendance to office, etc. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT LARRY IS DOING!! THIS WILL WORK!!! LARRY IS USING PSYCHOLOGY AND AS A 15 YEAR EDUCATOR, THIS WORKS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

I would not be surprised to see the Hawks record be better than Miami!! Spoelstra, a young coach in experience, has to manage three superstar egos, the pressure and scrutiny, and having Pat Riley looking over your shoulder. Larry Drew has a team that has been together 5+ yrs, they are young athletic, and with a new offense. GO HAWKS!!!

“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends.”

Najeh Davenpoop

September 28th, 2010
9:29 pm

Considering that Jamal is most likely not going to be a Hawk next year and Marvin is mediocre in every way shape and form, a Jamal + Marvin for Artest trade would be fantastic… not that the Lakers would ever do it.

rabiddawg

September 28th, 2010
9:30 pm

Here’s an idea. How about trading jamal crawford and a draft pick or hell, whoever denver wants for melo. He is dying to get out of denver. Have him sign an extension. Imagine that lineup. Teague, jj, horford, smoove and melo. That lineup could match miami. Wishful thinking. But seriously, why haven’t we been mentioned anywhere in any melo talks. Just wondering.

i_am_soulstar

September 28th, 2010
9:43 pm

Rabiddawg,

I seriously wonder the same, as we seriously are a Carmelo Anthony trade away from title contention. But the answer may be that we don’t have the pieces that the Nuggets want, or that the ASG are more serious about avoiding the luxury tax than we think.

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
9:45 pm

Drew is Kissing Josh’s Butt! Josh and JJ actually like The first woodson very much. The pressure is already on Woody lite so he has to make friends.

Any way, it doesnt matter who you name captain. The strongest spirit will rule the lock room anyway.I love josh’s fire and hes a leader on the team whether Drew likes it or not. Its in his best interest to get recognize whose in charge.

Heres what Slam thinks of Josh:

Top 50: Josh Smith, no. 27

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Manny Maduakolam / @No_Ceiling2

What do you think are some of the worst things that can happen to a player in the NBA?

I’m pretty sure getting dunked on is in your top 3. It’s demoralizing to a man and sometimes destroys careers, just ask Shawn Bradley. Who doesn’t love watching a good dunk, juJosh Smithst like a homerun in MLB or a huge hit in the NFL? Getting dunked on is an amazing thing to witness.

When the NBA is in full swing, we can always count on ESPN Top 10 Plays to see some highlights that make you jump out your seat. Josh Smith is one of the players who is a common fixture in that Top 10.

There are NBA players who, when you have an opportunity to watch them play, you wouldn’t miss it for the world because, quite frankly, you don’t want to be the guy in the bar conversation who missed a game-winning dunk or the guy in the lunch room who didn’t see Josh Smith throw a Brandon Jennings shot off the backboard.

Who can ever forget the 2005 Slam Dunk Contest when Josh Smith caught an alley-oop and hit a windmill from outside the circle… over Kenyon Martin. Or even better, when he threw on the Dominique Wilkins jersey and hit the windmill from outside the box. I literally was speaking in tongues after I saw that dunk; the man has springs for legs.

Name some of the most electric players in the NBA right now. Of course, you hear the usual, but one man who you must count is Josh Smith. Athletic ability alone, there’s few in the League who even come close to this man; just ask Steve Nash, or Kendrick Perkins, or Primoz Brezec, and that’s just to name a few.

But what makes him different from the Desmond Masons and Fred Jones of the world is he actually can do a lot more than dunk (go figure, right?). The six-year, 6-9 240-pound Oak Hill alum has cemented himself as more than just a quality player in the NBA, but an all-around force in the League.

His running mate, Joe Johnson, gets all the attention and love out of Atlanta but it’s Josh Smith who makes that team go, and it’s Josh Smith who is the leader of that team, third on the team scoring, second in rebounding and assists, first in steals, first in shooting percentage. Smith played every game last season, and voted to the Second Team All-Defensive team.

This man is a complete and solid NBA player who performs when called upon and always takes the hardest defensive assignments, normally guarding defends players who are bigger than him (he’s a 6-9 “powerforward”).

The most surprising thing about Josh Smith is that he’s never been to an All-Star game yet in his career *cough cough* like he should have been last season. A player who has improved every year since being drafted 2004 and seventh overall by the Atlanta Hawks, all Josh Smith has done since being selected is get better.

He won the NBA Slam Dunk Contest during his rookie year in the 2005 by a land slide with some of the sickest dunks I have ever seen, displaying his superior athletic ability and creativity. But just being a “dunker” was not enough for Josh Smith, he went on to averaged 9.7 points, 6.2 rebounds and 1.95 blocks per game for the ‘04–05 season and was selected to the Second Team All-Rookie team.

He continued his steady development as the years went by, improving in every facet of his game making him a complete and well-rounded basketball player. On February 2, 2010, against the Oklahoma City Thunder, Smith became the youngest player (at 24 years old) to block 1,000 shots, and he’s only improving.

He may even unseat back-to-back Defensive Player of the Year Dwight Howard this upcoming season. It’s time for this man to get his just rewards and recognition, and I firmly believe NBA fans will take notice.

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
9:45 pm

Big Ray

September 28th, 2010
9:51 pm

I like the move by Larry Drew. Why not? Worse case scenario, Josh earns himself out of being a team captain at some point. Best case scenario, he becomes a true leader in the best way that benefits the team. Moving on…

As much as I like Josh Smith, I couldn’t name him as a top 3 PF in the league. Top 3 means all-star level, which Josh hasn’t earned yet (though he kinda got snubbed last year by the coaches). Even with his amazing blend of talents and stats, 15 pts, 8 rbs, 4 assists, and 2 blocks. That’s not “top 3″ overall. Defensively? Heck yeah. Overall? Not quite yet. Become a double double guy first, or average more points. And stop whining to the refs.

How is it that Al’s desire to play more PF is an indication that he doesn’t want Josh or Marvin on the floor? I’m calling BS there, as you KNOW Al wants Josh on the floor. Marvin? Well, what’s Marvin done lately that makes anybody want him on the floor as a starter? Just sayin’….

As for Al, if this is what you got from his comments, then you should say the same of Larry Drew, who has more than once said he wants to employ Al at the PF more, himself. Is Al perfect? Hardly.

I also find it funny that some people think he should be traded for a starting center. Really? So what self-respecting NBA team trades a solid starting center for a PF who is “not as good as Josh?” Exactly. No logic in that idea, none whatsoever. Just a hatred for a particular player, and the need-based agenda for getting rid of said player.

The Ayatollah

September 28th, 2010
10:01 pm

What makes Larry Drew “Woodson Lite”? That makes no sense whatsoever. Woodson fights with Josh. Drew makes Josh a co team captain. I wonder which one Josh likes more NOW.

If Josh is such a great power forward then maybe Drew recognizes this and wants him to become even better. All Woodson ever did was let the boy shoot 3 pointers all night. Drew makes the guys run hard and work hard in practice. Woodson had them playing around in practice, we saw this on last season’s televised training camp. “Woodson Lite” my azz. Drew is the guy they should have hired 2 years ago when Sund was stupid enough to give Woodson that new contract.

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
10:12 pm

Al made it clear all summer, to the ajc, to woody lite, to the associated press and in a thought provoking interview. Yeah Als clear. He play where every he’s told because he a team play but he is not the power forward josh Is

I have to agree with the article from Slam. Josh is in the top 27 of “all” players and he will only go up from here!

Big Ray

September 28th, 2010
10:14 pm

Trading for Carmelo Anthony is a mixture of needing Denver to be desperate (which I don’t think they are, quite yet), and the ASG being willing to throw money at their own “Big 3″ or “Big 4″.

I don’t think the money is there, and the trade would likely involve either Josh or Al. I don’t know that we’d manage keeping both and adding ‘Melo. And if anybody thinks JJ and Jamal can be a chemistry issue, then they should really fear the idea of JJ and ‘Melo. Nice wishful thinking, if the only thing you’re looking at is how great it looks on paper.

As for the ASG avoiding the luxury tax, I have absolutely no doubts that they are dead serious about it. Those guys are in love with the concept of their “core” and not paying the luxury tax. Ain’t gonna happen unless it’s for a special player, and they won’t go for a trade of the “core” (unless maybe it’s Marvin).

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
10:15 pm

He was already a captain, with out the title. Josh is a leader…on the court and in the locker room. Whether you recognize it or not. He dont need no title and you cant buy Josh’s affection. Why dont you ask Josh if he like Mike Woodson? Hed surely smile!

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 28th, 2010
10:17 pm

Id love to get Carmello here! If Al want to play power forward cool. Let him have his way.

JJ, Teague Mello Smith and a real center.

Big Ray

September 28th, 2010
10:17 pm

I could care less whether Josh likes Drew more than he did Woody. All I care about is that he responds and matures better from here on out. If responding better to Drew is part of that, then so be it.

I’d love to see him make the all-star team this year, and I’m actually expecting him to do so. I want to see him complain to the refs less, and to do so with credibility when he does. And stop giving up on plays. And average 10+ rebounds per game. That would be great. He’s got the hops for it, that’s for certain.

Big Ray

September 28th, 2010
10:31 pm

Any lineup with JJ, Melo, and Smith, with Horford at PF may as well forget about having a center that scores. May as well get a guy who only rebounds and defends, and doesn’t care about getting anything other than a few obligatory dunks per game.

Dennis Rodman, anybody (only, a taller version perhaps)?

ryan

September 28th, 2010
10:35 pm

Mello wants go to New York thats only place he wants go to but Billups is guy i think Hawks should push for because of leadership skills and consistency .

O'Brien

September 28th, 2010
10:37 pm

I may be in the minority, but I dont like the decision for 2 reasons.

1) Three captains on a basketball team? How is that going to work? Do all 3 speak in the huddle? What if they disagree on something? Who does the team listen to? Who calls the shots? Who gets on who?

Out of 5 starters, 3 are captains? I just think 3 is too much.

2) I have issues with LD appointing the captains. Whatever happened to players voting? Wouldnt that have been the thing to do? Have the players vote, and give the top 2 vote getters co-captaincy?

O'Brien

September 28th, 2010
10:40 pm

I think the players respect all 3 guys, so I dont think there will be any issues. But I wont be surprised if the Hawks are the only team in the NBA with 3 captains.

Macaroni Tony

September 28th, 2010
10:51 pm

I don’t understand why it’s not a good idea for the Hawks to have three captains, but all of these other teams could have a so called big three. The Celtics, Heat, Thunder, and etc have a so called big three but it’s not a good idea for us. The is JS seventh year so I do hope that he could grow and produce more.

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
10:53 pm

O’Brien

Coaches appt. Captains all the time.
When players vote…it becomes a popularity contest.
For example, do you want;
Josh Powell, Paps, Etan, JC2 voting?
Plus players come & go (moreso than the HC).

Does Boston have ‘3′ capts.?

Three ??? is a more valid question? I agree.

Grandad

September 28th, 2010
11:00 pm

*defination – Yawl got me.

[Sound the Trumpet & Dudley Do Right]

Sincerely, Phillip Masters.

Big Ray

September 28th, 2010
11:03 pm

Grandad ,

Ha ha ha, you crazy…

drmaryb (*_*)

September 28th, 2010
11:20 pm

Doesn’t The Celtics have 3 Captains?

truthspitter

September 28th, 2010
11:23 pm

Some interesting tidbits posted on twitter from a guy that goes by the name HawksPRGUY that I follow.

Zaza sounding like a female dog because of a demanding practice and Marvin asking the PRGuy did he want to exchange places. Once again shows how sorry Marvin is and that he would rather be doing anything than playing basketball. Not surprising that Zaza wants playing time but does not want to work hard either because it shows on the court.

Early observation, it could be hard to keep Jordan Crawford off the floor. I’ve like what I’ve seen out of him since rookie camp.

This morning, #HAWKS worked on some defensive schemes. The evening session begins with the installation of some of the offense. Move-ment!

“Real pleased with the workout,” said Drew. “A lot of intensity, energy for day one. I want to get our offense … http://tmi.me/1NqkN

@zaza27 goes, “I know we’re almost done!”. How’s that, Z? “Once the media’s allowed in, we only have :30 … http://tmi.me/1Noy1

Marvin just asked me if I’d like to trade places. LOL. I say for a month of your salary, yeah!

drmaryb (*_*)

September 28th, 2010
11:25 pm

The Numbers Don’t Lie!

Aren’t there strength in numbers?
(Nimbers if you’re ‘Nique)

3 > 2 > 1

kwooden1

September 28th, 2010
11:34 pm

I will state again that I like the 3 guys being captains, but I also like LD openly stating that these guys have to be in better shape, just to be successful in his offensive. To me he’s saying that he believes in his system but that his system doesn’t work on its own! He’s making logical sense, which wasn’t always the case with Woody. I could never understand why Woody would call for more ball movement and then keep letting the guys run ISO plays. It never made any logical sense, especially when we all could see it! LD is taking clear steps towards the ends he wants. As a fan I appreciate that, especially after what I’ve seen over the last few years.

The Truth

September 29th, 2010
12:08 am

I’m beginning to wonder about Pape Sy. Is he injury prone?

“Guard Pape Sy sat out practice with a sore back. Sy said it started bothering him about five days ago and hasn’t responded to treatment. He was to visit a doctor Tuesday afternoon.”

jem

September 29th, 2010
12:18 am

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 29th, 2010
12:19 am

He is getting Older, and naturally more mature. It aint go anything to do with Drew/woody II.

Drew needs Josh not the other way around. Do F with josh. let the man play his high energy emotional in your face game. Thats his style. Like it or not. F with Josh and Drew is out of here.

just keep planting those “you the man” kisses and give josh the ball!

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 29th, 2010
12:21 am

don t f with josh

The Truth

September 29th, 2010
12:22 am

With his ugly looking shot, Chil shooting 3’s on a regular basis will certainly not be a thing of beauty and may be harmful to the eyes

“Childress talked today about how his niche has been slashing but is being asked to shoot 3s more to spread the floor. He just airballed a 3″

http://twitter.com/paulcoro

DUDLEY DO RIGHT

September 29th, 2010
12:22 am

its jj and josh’s team

Ken Strickland

September 29th, 2010
12:33 am

We’ve witnessed more strategy and forward thinking from LDrew in one practice than we’ve witnessed from Woody his entire time here. It seems to me like our returning players are ecstatic about having LDrew, instead of MWoodson, as their HC. They seem genuinely pleased to have a HC that has a plan, a backup plan, as well as a sense of purpose and structure.

They all appear to be committed to doing whatever he requires to prepare for playing the style and type of OFF and DEF he intends for them to run. I remember watching last yr training camp, and there never seemed to be any sense of excitement among the players. In fact, there was a sense of disdain among certain players, namely JJ and Bibby, which Sekou talked about.

Since our key players now know we’ll be consistently using more than a 6-7 man rotation, they will go all out instead of pacing themselves like they often had to do in the past. Under LDrew, our players will be in better shape mentally, physically, and strategically(using a series of different DEF’s and strategies)to play solid an consistent DEF.

TRUTHSPITTER-The LA Lakers have won back to back NBA titles, so who is their All Star PG? Many are predicting the Miami Heat will dethrone the Lakers, and they certainly don’t have an All Star PG. The Hawks will win by featuring and relying more on TEAM basketball, rather than featuring and relying more on individual basketball. This yr, we’ll finally use the Piston’s model for success.

Clyde

September 29th, 2010
12:58 am

Me and my boy Jeje are getting ready for the season to start. I have a feeling we will have a lot to say this year.

Clyde

September 29th, 2010
1:02 am

Back to training camp party Saturday night at Magic City. Wear a Fire Billy and Woody t-shirt you get in free.

Clyde

September 29th, 2010
1:04 am

How did Joe go from telling fans it don’t matter if they show up to becoming a captain?

Grandad

September 29th, 2010
2:11 am

Excerpts from Ken Strickland @ 12:33 am:

“We’ve witnessed more strategy and forward thinking from LDrew”

“a plan, a backup plan, as well as a sense of purpose and structure”

“They all appear to be committed to doing whatever he requires”

“by featuring and relying more on TEAM basketball”

Preach on Brother Ken!

The last one “TEAM basketball” = pure joy to me.

vava74

September 29th, 2010
2:14 am

MsDee

September 29th, 2010
2:15 am

Totally agree Grandad..Mr. Ken S is my hero when it comes to the HAWKS!!

same ole stuff

September 29th, 2010
2:53 am

train wreck coming
nothing ever changes with this team
LD was a dumb choice to start with and now he names a loafer captain?
Here we go again

DUDLEY CAN'T DO RIGHT

September 29th, 2010
3:16 am

NOW ITS JOSH, JOE, AND AL’S TEAM

DUDLEY CAN'T DO RIGHT

September 29th, 2010
3:17 am

DREW CAN DRAW UP A GAME PLAN. WOODY WOODPECKER COULDN’T EVEN SPELL GAME PLAN. AND HE WASN’T SMART ENOUGH TO NAME AL OR JOSH CAPTAINS BUT DREW IS. GLAD MR. POTATO HEAD IS GONE YIPEEEE

truthspitter

September 29th, 2010
4:37 am

Ken Strickland:TRUTHSPITTER-The LA Lakers have won back to back NBA titles, so who is their All Star PG? Many are predicting the Miami Heat will dethrone the Lakers, and they certainly don’t have an All Star PG. The Hawks will win by featuring and relying more on TEAM basketball, rather than featuring and relying more on individual basketball. This yr, we’ll finally use the Piston’s model for success.

When did I mention the need for an all-star PG? Reading is one part and comprehending is another, I simply mentioned that it might be a problem when you don’t have a PG worthy of being a team captain considering you have 3 captains. Though, I fully realize that the offense may actually run smoother ran through Josh or Al since they both have skill and quickness advantages on a nightly basis

wordsmithtom

September 29th, 2010
5:36 am

Smoove’s emotional play has been both an advantage and a distraction. Yes, he’s a beast, but when he gave up on plays while arguing with ref’s, he gave a bad example to teammates while changing the tempo of the game, usually to the negative. By making him a captain up front, LD is giving Smoove a mirror. Can you call out your teammates for negative play if you’re doing the same thing yourself? Excellent idea.

Truthspitter, I think you will see more of Al/Josh playing together with another center in the game. Situational play where Al and other center play low post and Josh sets up high post to take inbound pass. This forces defender to react to him, instead of being in the corner like Woody used Marvin. Josh can pass down, drive the lane, or back it out to an open guard. The concept of point forward comes to mind. Really, was Magic Johnson a true point-guard? No way…he was more forward than guard.

Different looks. Sometimes it will be Teague leading fast breaks. If he takes charge, that look can be effective as he showed in the last game of the season….admittedly, against scrubs.Can he develop into an all-star type guard? We just don’t know.

Until we develop an all-star PG, I don’t think we’re championship material either, UNLESS, LD uses one of our power forwards as a Point-forward. Is Josh a Magic Johnson? Not quite,, but pretty damn good if he realizes his strength is not the 3 ball.

Getting married this summer will help his maturity. Being named captain should add to his growing list of “responsibilities”. With great talent also comes great responsiblity. He’s old enough now to take that mantle and run with it.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 29th, 2010
6:47 am

“Yea Joe is a Captain alright

Captain Save-A-Ho”

LMAO… now that’s something that should be on a T-shirt.

wordsmithtom

September 29th, 2010
6:49 am

Above senereo works with JS on low block and Al on high post as well as for MW on the high post. Both these situations allow for more back cuts while using one of the low post players to move towards the high post player to set screen for pic/roll.

JJ will get his, and less relying on the need for PG in half court play. Typical Laker basketball.

LD said JS would play some 3 this year. Using him, and MW in reserve, as point-3 can be a problem for Orlando, forcing Superman to deal with JS in the high post. He won’t like that as much as he liked defending ISO…..where MW stook on the wing and picked his nose. (Now because he wanted to, so much as because Woody thought that was the best place for him to be….awaiting the 3ball. Worked when he hit them, but not so much when he went cold.) 1+1=3 plus you get fouls on defenders.

Early in season you’ll see more run and gun and some ISO as well. It was not early season play that hurt us…it was using that in playoffs where power play down low was needed and lacking.

wordsmithtom

September 29th, 2010
7:12 am

Above senereo also works with JJ playing 3.

Sorry about that MW “picking his nose” analogy. Made me shiver thinking about it. I understand the concept: draw defence away from middle. Works when the 3 hits high %3ball. MW needs to work more on his 3ball, as this is another look that can keep other teams honest. It didn’t last year because everyone knew he’d be out there and they didn’t respect his shot. With JJ in the 3 in similar position, they’d HAVE to respect him.

So, different looks instead of the same old predictable ISO and clearouts. Much more difficult to defend.

vava74

September 29th, 2010
7:18 am

Clyde,

That sh*t has no place in a blog.

Talk trash with your homies when you are out hanging out if you want to, but you have no business in discussing/dissing JJ’s private life here if the same, as it has been the case, has had no visible negative effect on his performance as a player.

You are just talking out of your ass and you only bring negativity to the blog.

One thing is to criticize and contribute, another is just to show up to cough up garbage.

I would like to see you calling that to JJ in his face.

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
7:26 am

Grandad,

Fair enough. He could have had just the 9 players who were here last year cast a vote, but I see where popularity/obligation could be an issue.

I also understand his reasoning why he wanted Josh to be captain, because he thinks that is the best way for Josh to play more effective and under control, make better decisions etc.

And I like the selection of Horford. I would have gone with Josh and Al as my captains, and just let JJ be the elder statesman, who although he does not have the title of captain, he can still speak up whenever he sees fit.

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
8:09 am

vava74,

I would pay for the chance to tell Joe what I think of him to his face. I would pay! The guy is an idiot and someone needs to make him aware of it, since it seems no one in the Hawks organization is willing to.

Cyde, I don’t know anything about your “save-a-ho” post, but I think it’s funny.

Jim

September 29th, 2010
8:58 am

I cannot believe the Hawks want fans to get excited about the same team that was swept off their home court by Orlando. The team actually got worse by bringing in a roookie head coach, nothing to be excited about at all.

Thank God they will not be a thought until football season is over, GO FALCONS!!!

vava74

September 29th, 2010
9:07 am

Section 303,

You apparently either live in or close to ATL, so you have no excuse if you don’t say what you feel to him face to face.

It’s not that he lives in an ivory tower, since many around here speak of situations in which they had access to players either for autographs or to chat.

So, you are either full of hot air or you should report here what was his reaction to your words within the near future.

In relation to JJ, you are perfectly entitled to have an opinion about his game play for the Hawks. I am also expectant and really want to see if he can revert back to a more team oriented play since I also think that he made sometimes bad decisions on court last year.

However, I would like to remind you that JJ was averaging for the first 4 games of the MIL series 27,5ppg 5reb 6ass 1stl whilst shooting above 50% from the floor and whilst defending Salmons and Jennings pretty effectively.

His stats went down and he sulked (he should have not done that) as a DIRECT consequence of the chemistry blow up which happened after the “limo incident”, when on arrival to Milwaukee some players decided that they wanted to party in Chicago and there was some heavy internal discussion.

Also, JJ’s words after the ORL series were COMPLETELY miss interpreted and miss construed by the press (on purpose): he said/meant to say that the boooing was not important since the players had to feel bad ON THEIR OWN for not performing.

I am not vouching for his character but he clearly meant something completely different when he said what he said.

As for his personal life, it’s pretty sad and ridicule to make fun or dice someone’s private life only due to the fact you dislike someone for his performance on court.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
9:13 am

I agree with many others that naming Josh is a worth-while risk. I also agree with OB that 3 captains kind of waters down the affect of having captains. But overall, this seems like a good decision. The thing we CAN’T have is Josh speaking to the refs on behalf of his teammates (as some captains will do). If Drew were to give each captain a specific assignment, I would make Josh the defensive captain, Joe the offensive captain (hey, he told Teague to be more aggressive and is the one who seemingly needs to by-in to the new offense) and Horford would be the “lead captain”, managing practices and overall team chemistry issues. But please, Coach Drew, make it clear that Josh CAN’T be the one who speaks to refs on behalf of his teammates. PLEASE!

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
9:20 am

vava74, I’ve never said anything about Joe’s on the court performance. My beef is with the comments. As a long time season ticket holder, I am still p#ssed at what he said. And, if given the chance, I will let him know.

Also,how do you know what Joe intended to say? He has never bothered to clarify what he said. Considering that I am far from the only one who is still mad at him, that makes him either clueless or just plain stupid. Don’t rip the fans and then act like it was nothing.

And, what the h#ll are you talking about? I should stalk Joe? Is that what you are saying? Totally lost me on that one…

Teezpo

September 29th, 2010
9:35 am

@vava74…I couldn’t agree with you more…I really think some of these ppl discount JJ value to this team and haven’t thought about where we would be without him…Sure enough he has had poor playoffs, but I take into consideration that he had to guard the opposing teams best perimeter player(s) and deal with constant double teams without really having any help on the offensive end… Woody made everything go through him, so he had to either make a play for himself or somebody else, or just give the ball to Crawford and see what he could do…Oh, and I can’t believe ppl are still stuck on his comments, LET IT GO b/c its the truth anyway and taken completely out of context…Peace…

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
9:38 am

AJ,

I like your designation of responsibilities. I would nominate Al as the one to talk to the media, because JJ is not up to the task (imo).

Section 303,

According to MC’s comments, people in the Hawks organization have suggested to JJ that he should apologize for his comments, but for whatever reason, he wont.

Would I have liked to hear an apology? Sure. But ultimately, I just want JJ to be a team player and a leader, and to help the Hawks get to the ECF and a chance to get to the NBA finals.

As long as he does that, I’m good, because I think his comments sounded worse than he intended, and he doesnt think its that serious where he needs to apologize.

As a fan, you are entitled to your opinion, and I’m glad that will not stop you from rooting for the Hawks.

Teezo

September 29th, 2010
9:39 am

@section 303…whats wrong with him saying “he could care less if the fans showed up b/c the teams has to go out and play regardless”…I too am a season ticket holder and feel no offense to it…Peace…

LEA

September 29th, 2010
9:47 am

I think some of u folks, forget that u are JUST FANS. Nothing u guys say will have any affect on what the hawks plan to do this season.

JeJe

September 29th, 2010
9:50 am

Smoove just wants to get deep into the playoffs? He doesn’t wan to win a ring? That’s what he should’ve said.

Also, if guards did not meet the mile run requirement, that’s not good if this is to be a FAST-PACED team. LOL our starting PG is in the worst shape on this team.

Also, what did Marvin and Bibby and Smoove work on this offseason?

JeJe

September 29th, 2010
9:52 am

Looking at the pics: has Smoove lost weight?

Michael Cunningham

September 29th, 2010
10:10 am

@ The Truth: “MC: Find out if LD plans to call Jordon Crawford “Rook” or will he abandon that whole nonsense? Ask Teague what he felt about the title and did it work on his psyche. I often wondered if labeling a player that way had any real value other than a constant reminder that he is a rookie when trying to mature as NBA player.”

i asked Teague about that before. he said he saw it as a rite of passage to being an NBA player.

Michael Cunningham

September 29th, 2010
10:12 am

@Coscro: “I saw updates and musings on all the players attitudes as camp begins except for Josh Powell. How is he looking attitude wise? Any sign of the “leadership” that was talked about from his LA days?”

unfortunately, my access is pretty restricted for camp–they aren’t letting us into the locker room. we get to view the end of practice and then talk to guys as they come off the court. so i don’t get to see a lot of interaction.

Michael Cunningham

September 29th, 2010
10:14 am

@Gt Alum: “MC -I thought LD had said the players were going to vote on captains. Is this who they voted for, and he just signed off on them, or was this all him? Interesting that the captains ended up being the 3 players that really make up the “core” of this team.”

he never said that to me. he says he consulted with people on it but it didn’t affect his decision. this was his call.

Michael Cunningham

September 29th, 2010
10:18 am

@truthspitter: “Also, Cunningham, if you can, can you tell us if you got to see the portion that included the timed mile? I read somewhere that a 6 minute mile is good, anything else is really not good for an athlete that is supposed to be world class. Can you tell us if any Hawks came into camp in good enough shape to run the mile in 6 minutes or less?”

i didn’t get to see any of it, but here is the report: http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/hard-work-drews-theme-643109.html

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September 29th, 2010
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vava74

September 29th, 2010
10:20 am

Section 303,

You said “I would pay for the chance to tell Joe what I think of him to his face”.

Since there nothing physically preventing you from doing it apart from eventually being scared of his reaction, your words are little more than “hot hair”.

Michael Cunningham

September 29th, 2010
10:23 am

@truthspitter: FYI, if you put more than one link in your comment the blog monster will eat it.

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
10:30 am

vava74, you’re making no sense and trying too hard to make a point that is not there. I’m done with the conversation.

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
11:04 am

Teezo, you’re a much more evolved human being than me when it comes to this Joe Johnson issue (seriously, you are). I just can’t let it go. Thought I could, but can’t. Need an apology. That’s all I ask.

I am usually full of nothing but positive vibe at this time of year, right as camp starts. The “I could careless” comment makes me do a 180. Forget just paying for season tixs….I think about all the nights of adjusting my schedule, sitting through a lousy games, defending the team when others rip them….P#sses me off that the team’s best player could “careless” that I (and others) did that. F him.

Mike is back

September 29th, 2010
11:23 am

MC, from the start…I have stated that I was impressed at the way LD has handled this entire process. I like the choice of JJ, Al, and Smoove as captains of the team.

No sense canniblogging…I think everyone has done a great job of articulating the risk and reward of LD’s decision…however despite the trepidation of Smoove’s ability to be a leader…You have to admire the boldness of LD’s decision. I think he is immediately getting buy-in from three guys…that are critical to the success of the team.

Section303, so you want to talk to JJ face to face. After you get through giving him a piece of your mind… while you are at it…don’t forget to thank him for helping the Hawks…break that dreaded ten years drought…from making the NBA playoff…and logging more minutes per game than any player in the NBA…the last couple of seasons…and playing injured on a regular basis.

It’s a new season…move on bro…geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Just saying.

GeeMack

September 29th, 2010
11:35 am

Ken Strickland

That Detroit Piston model is an exception to winning in the NBA. The Lakers, Celtics, and Heat have the neccessary personnel to win titles consistently.

Building a team like the Pistons is not a good model to follow for a team with Champioship aspirations.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
11:35 am

Section 303, do you want the Hawks to individually play hard on a Tuesday evening against the Pacers with 8,000 fans in the arena? Should they play harder when there are 20,000 fans in the arena against the Heat? If Joe is of the opinion that players should bring their “A games” regardless of fan attendance, then he may say something like “I don’t care if the fans show up”, not because he is indifferent about the fans but because he believes the players need to perform regardless of the attendance in the arena. I think that there is a good chance that his statement was intended for his teammates (i.e. do your job regardless of fans cheering, booing or whatever).

Honestly, I want players who perform their best regardless of who shows up and how they react. Fans are moody, I don’t want players reacting to the mood swings of fans. Heck, in Atlanta, if the players are responding to their fans, they would likely not start playing until 20 minutes after game time, because that’s when half the crowd arrives.

In the final analysis, performing in a manner that is indifferent to fan support is far better than performing because of fan support. Because fan support is a roller-coaster ride and performance should be consistent.

ILL-Logical

September 29th, 2010
11:38 am

MC: have there been any discussions that you are aware of concerning a marketing campaign for the 2010-11 seson? Now that the captains have been identified-the key players- how are they going to be sold to the public?

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
11:43 am

Astro Joe, I understand and agree with everything you wrote. My problem, though, is that Joe has never clarified. You, me, and anyone else does not really know what he intended to say. He has just said nothing. And, he cannot be unaware as to how some (like me) took his “I could careless” comments.

You don’t have to agree. I just need an apology, or at the very least, “this is what I intended to say…” from the guy. The acting like it is no big deal is not good enough.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
11:51 am

Section 303, in lieu of a deposition explaining the original comments, I look at the circumstances, which (as I recall), came immediately after a beat down by the Magic in Philips Arena. And a few weeks later, Horford suggested that the players quit during that series (or something to that affect). So for me, it doesn’t seem far-fetched that Joe’s comments came out of frustration with his teammates. Joe may be of the opinion that the guys who quit are the ones who should be apologizing to the fans.

Section 303

September 29th, 2010
12:00 pm

Astro Joe, I would have no problem with that. If that’s what he was saying, fine. I don’t think that is what he was saying, though. When asked about the fans booing, Joe said, “I was just frustrated.” Ok, with whom? Fans booing? The way the games were going? What? He can’t be that stupid to just let this simmer, can he?

Anyways….way too much energy wasted on this. It still bothers me. Not that anyone cares (Joe apparently doesn’t), but I’m no fan of the guy until I hear some clarification or an apology. I took the comments personnally, in case you couldn’t tell.

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
12:17 pm

Another thing I like about camp, is they have a theme. “Hard Work.” I know its simple, but it gives the players something else to buy into.

Hopefully that mantra will stay with them throughout the season, because they will need a lot of hard work.

One interesting note from MC’s article;

Drew said all of Atlanta’s power forwards and centers met his requirement to finish in less than seven minutes. Not all of the smaller players made their mark but Drew declined to reveal specifics..

My guess is that Bibby did not finish in less than 7 minutes.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
12:17 pm

Section 303, clearly… I’ll add this and then I am done. Joe was part of a historic playoff beat down. Lost by epic proportions. On the other hand, he has witnessed varying degrees of Hawk support over his first 5 years in Atlanta. So when he says that he is frustrated… is there really a question if he was referring to being abused by the Magic, having teammates quit or frustrated with the inconsistent support of the city for the Hawks? I’m guessing that the Magic foot in his behind (and lack of focus from teammates) was infinitely more frustrating than what fans were saying or doing during the butt-kicking.

darrell starks

September 29th, 2010
12:18 pm

I have no problem with drew motion offense, but he need get this team more focus on defense, let not forget even woody with a defensive mind set couldn’t get these guys on the right path, LD focus more on defense.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

September 29th, 2010
12:20 pm

Defense create easy basket with teague at point, but with no defense half court set is harder 2 score im sure LD no this.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
12:21 pm

Josh is doing things leaders do. He was horrible at the 3 pt shot – so he just had the largest decrease in 3 point attempts from 1 season to the next in NBA history (fact). He worked with an NBA guru -wants to become a student of the game. And maybe more importantly than anything, he lost weight. Man, I was concerned last year – high flying coupled with upper body “thickness” (not cut and muscle, just thick) is a recipe for ankle/knee injuries. So I’m glad he’s thinner this year.

vava74

September 29th, 2010
12:27 pm

Lebrat: what a *#%& idiot (report on the Heat’s first practice session):

“He pumped his fist after passing over a double-team and setting Joel Anthony up for a dunk. He got wide-eyed after breaking free in a defensive drill for a thunderous slam that left teammates more than impressed.”

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
12:28 pm

Doing my NBA roster checks – man, the Bulls sure look stout! I hope all you guys know what your talking about by saying we’re still better than them. I know they have a rookie Head Coach, but so do we.
PG – Rose and Watson – Pretty good I’d say
SG – Brewer and Korver – not bad, probably weakest postion of the team
SF – Deng and Johnson – Again – pretty good
PF – Boozer and Gibson – Solid
C – Noah, Thomas, and Asik – Again pretty solid.

And if the Bucks get Dampier, they may be that solid also – but regardless – GO HAWKS!!!!!

vava74

September 29th, 2010
12:32 pm

Section 303,

You miss interpreted the whole episode.

It’s true that JJ could have clarified his words but he is clearly a PR disaster and the Hawks’ franchise are close behind.

It’s up to us to correctly frame what happened.

JJ has been a workhorse for us and in general we cannot complain at all of him not doing what he was supposed to do as Hawk.

This issue is so clear cut that you managed to get two of the most polarized bloggers around here agreeing to something (me and Astro).

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
12:32 pm

Stat I like the most about the Hawks – if Teague beats out Bibby at PG:
PG – Age 22
SF – Age 24
PF – Age 25 (Dec 8th)
C- Age 24

We’ve got some young guns for a few years, ya’ think?

i_am_soulstar

September 29th, 2010
12:33 pm

I understand frustration with the perception of the comments when you’re a fan spending your hard earned bucks to support this team. But, everyone says something that they regret or don’t mean. Only difference is unless your name is Kanye West or Joe Johnson, you don’t have millions of people throwing it back in your face. Still, different people will forgive at different rates depending on who they are, as well as their emotional and/or financial investment in the team.

cp

September 29th, 2010
12:34 pm

Why are some on here so worried about where the media thinks the Hawks will finish or what they think of the Hawks? They have been wrong about this team for about 4 years in a row now. Those so called experts just go with the popular opinion. When their predictions on the Hawks don’t go as planned they just find a reason to short change the team. At the end of the day the games have to be played on the court regardless of what ESPN or any other experts think.

darrell starks

September 29th, 2010
12:35 pm

Joe is not a super star he is a complimentary 2 a super star, but if you can add another score at the 3 then the hawks are in business.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
12:37 pm

Vava74 – I wanted to compliment you on the blog you wrote about Marvin being a gym rat. How that violated blogger orthodoxy and dogma around here. That was probably the 2nd best post I’ve ever read on here.

The best post ever (to me), and I wish it would be reprinted, was a Northcyde (I think) parody of Sund, Horford and I forget who else, when Horford asked for another quality big and we re-signed Jason Collins. That was hilarious! Professional quality – and high selling professional quality at that. Just Awesome. Would love to see him do a weekly on that. Classic.

i_am_soulstar

September 29th, 2010
12:40 pm

cp

I agree. Screw the experts. They seem to sell us short every year. I could’ve burned my Chris Webber jersey and posted the video on youtube after he said we wouldn’t make the playoffs this season. Yup, I kinda took it personal.

DevN

September 29th, 2010
12:43 pm

Cosign with Vava74 @ 9.07am and Astro Joes comments defending JJ.
Section 303 – watch this actual video of JJ’s interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u01z0bbfPXg
It was clearly taken out of context by the media and if you are pissed off as a season ticket holder, it should be against the ASG and their PR dept who should have made sure their customers are not hurt on basis of twisted reporting.
All Joe was saying(trying..) was he and the rest of the hawks team should show up irrespective of the fans showing up.
So before you all jumb the bandwagon of believing the media reports see for yourself.

vava74

September 29th, 2010
12:50 pm

SteveW,
Thanks for the props!
That northcyde post was indeed hilarious!

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
12:58 pm

I find it interesting that Drew is willing to tell the media that not all the smaller players made their mark in the mile run. Drew really seems to be an open book. None of us on this blog are left wondering what Drew thinks or is planning. And he does not shy away from holding the players accountable in his public statements, while at the same time not shaming them. How refreshing!

Furthermore, Drew is consistent in his every utterance. In other words, he is not saying what he thinks the media & fans want to hear. He is speaking about what he really believes and thinks.

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September 29th, 2010
1:07 pm

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Sautee

September 29th, 2010
1:07 pm

Ramon,

Here’s what you said first that I responded to:

“Section 303, is Al whining when he states (over and over) that he can’t win without playing the PF position, when he knows he’s not the best PF on the team? Is that doing what’s best for the team?”

I asked you when did Al ever say that he can’t win without playing PF?

You said this as an explanation:

“Sautee, on a couple of interviews (radio and television) Al has repeatedly stated that he wants to play PF and he’s playing out of position. Is that not publicly questioning the coach and direction of the team? And is that not also saying that he should be playing PF instead of Josh, even though Josh is rated as the best defensive PF in the league?”

First, you failed to answer my question. You claim that he “states (over and over) that he can’t win without playing the PF position”

I’ve never heard him say that. Can you tell me (or provide a link) when and where that was said?

Next, if he is asked a question about his “natural position” do you expect him to lie? He has stated many times that he is fine with playing major minutes at the 5 and that he thinks that he and Josh have a quickness advantage against most 4s and 5s. And after making the All-Star team there, why wouldn’t he be fine with it? And how is this WHINING? It’s not like Al has made an issue of this, ever.

Unless, once again, you have access to information that the rest of the blog does not.

Did you ever hear Al say that he wants to play PF INSTEAD of Josh? If so, please show us.

Did you hear Larry Drew saying that Horford WILL get more minutes at PF this year? How then is what Al said “publicly questioning the coach and direction of the team”?

I need further clarification, please. These are some very negative accusations.

HawkZ

September 29th, 2010
1:09 pm

I just saw a video on hawks.com titled “larry drew on training camp starting” and I saw smoove shooting 3’s in the background…. LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Tyger

September 29th, 2010
1:28 pm

5 Real Questions for the Hawks

1. How long before JJ abandons new system and goes solo?
2. How long before Jamal Crawford quits?
3. How long before Teague’s confidence is broken?
4. How long before Bibby’s legs die?
5. How long before Horford is beat down?

vava74

September 29th, 2010
1:30 pm

JeJe

September 29th, 2010
1:31 pm

Clyde – my brother – man how are you?

It’s been way too long, AJC:

FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY FIRE WOODY

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
1:37 pm

Some of y’all are ready to give Drew credit for using basketballs during practice.

I remember when Chris Mullen was the GM of Golden State, he was extremely media friendly and was lauded for virtually every move/decision. Yet, under his watch, the Warriors were essentially a perrenial lottery team(other than the fluke playoff victory against Dallas). Being media friendly does not translate into being effective.

I expect Drew to deliver a better offense and more wins. If an incompetent coach can reach 53 victories with this roster, then Drew should deliver how many more?

cp

September 29th, 2010
1:38 pm

Exactly i_am_soulstar thats why I dont even pay the so called experts predictions any attention.

Mz. Hawkdafied

September 29th, 2010
1:40 pm

LOL! I just wanted to say one last thing on the JJ fan comment. I mean seriously now. When you buy tickets to the game are you buying the tickets because YOU want to go or are you buying the ticket because Joe wants you to? So really I don’t care if Joe cares if I come to the game or not cause I decide what I want not Joe or anybody else for that matter. Point blank, period.

I chose to be a Hawks fan and I chose when and if I go to the game. I refuse to let others control what the heck I want to do with my time or life (as long as I’m not breaking any laws or impeding on the rights of others).

Joe Johnson doesn’t owe me anything and I don’t owe Joe Johnson my fandom. But I love basketball. And last time I checked it goes down at Philips Arena in my hometown. I ain’t missing what’s happening at the Highlight Factory. I think I need to be checked into Highlights Anonymous cause wins are great but those highlights be amazing. LMBO!

Be there or be square, fellow Hawks fans. Just kidding! The choice to be in the arena is up to you.

Peace out. Go Hawks!

Teezo

September 29th, 2010
1:42 pm

If Drew is holding each player accountable, then all this needs to stop…

-JJ can’t drain the shot clock and do some mess that we can’t believe
-Smith can’t quit on plays when he feels like it
-Crawford can’t be trigger happy and shooting just b/c he thinks every shot will go in
-Bibby can’t quit on defense just b/c he knows Al and Smith got his back
-Al can’t be so timid to where it leads to a TO
-Marvin…WOW, what is there not to say about him, lol, just play with confidence plz
-All other role players can’t play scared and stop relying on the big dogs

If all this can happen, we will the most dangerous team in the NBA I think…Im ready for them to prove everyone wrong, including myself b/c at one point this summer I felt as this this team has hit its ceiling, but they are young enough to improve so much more, Im ready to see if the way last season ended gave them all the motivation they are saying…Peace…

Teezo

September 29th, 2010
1:47 pm

Oh and every player needs to really concentrate on DEFENSE…We all know the saying…Peace…

Mz. Hawkdafied

September 29th, 2010
1:49 pm

I don’t know why Chris Weber thinks them Hawks won’t be in the playoffs. I didn’t see it. What reasons did he give? I disagree. What team in the east is supposed to take their spot or knock them out of the top 8?

Even with the changing in the east I still don’t see the Hawks not making it to the post season. Oh well whatever.

I believe them ATL Hawks gonna make Chris eat his words/pick his face up.

northcyde

September 29th, 2010
1:52 pm

Section 303 . . . were you upset when the “fans” literally WALKED OUT on the Hawks in late February in a Sunday afternoon/evening game vs Milwaukee, simply because we let the game go into overtime? 3,000 to 4,000 “fans” walked out on the Hawks.

Were you uspet that ANOTHER 1,000 or so “fans” walked out on the Hawks during the OT, because they felt that the game was over when we fell behind by 5 points, but still had over 3 minutes to go in the game?

By the end of that game, there were only 7,000 of us in that arena that gave the Hawks love after getting their act together and winning that game. But damn near 40% of the “fans” never saw the concusion. They were probably shocked that the Hawks even won the game.

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Did you see the comments that two of the Tampa Bay Rays players made on Monday and Tuesday about their “fans” not showing up to games? They have the best record in the American League, and are trying to fight off the Yankees, yet, the fans don’t come out to see them.

You know why? It’s because most people in Tampa, despite that team going to the World Series a few years back, could give a damn about the Rays in that town. There is no loyalty whatsoever in Tampa, when it comes to the Rays.

And the exact same thing can be said about the Hawks in Atlanta.

So when the players see this on occasion, especially against weak, non-popular teams ( whether it be in Tampa or Atlanta ), they wonder why they can’t get more support when they’re playing that well. And they may say something out of frustration.

It’s funny. I briefly heard the Braves pre-game broadcast yesterday for about 4 minutes ( the Braves radio network is all over the Southeast . . . take note at that ASG ). And they were discussing the Rays situation. One of the commentators said . . “Criticizing fans for not coming to watch games has NEVER worked.”

And maybe he is right. Fans don’t like to be told what to do and what not to do.

But on the flip side, excessively booing a team has never encouraged a team to play better either. They may play harder, but they usually play out of control, or try to do too much, which makes the situation out on the field or on the court worse.

If the Hawks players can get over all of those nights in which Philips Arena was only half full . . . or those nights in which 1/2 of the arena was cheering for the OTHER TEAM . . . or those times in which the fans walked out on the Hawks prematurely . . . surely a person like you can get over ONE somewhat negative comment that JJ made at the heat of the moment.

But don’t act like the majority of Hawk supporters are loyal to this team. As a season ticket holder, you are loyal. But even you know that you are one of the few. So if you’re going to take a general statement about the “fans” to heart, I guess there’s nothing anyone can do about it but let you sulk.

Their comments weren’t directed toward the fans that actualy show up, but to the ones that don’t.

Mz. Hawkdafied

September 29th, 2010
1:55 pm

Okay one last comment before my breaks up. Pape Sy is starting to give cause for concern with these injuries. That makes two since the Hawks decided to make him a part of the team.

MC, any info on how Pape acquired the back injury?

_sturt_

September 29th, 2010
2:02 pm

MC > So we add two and subtract one… what do you make of the fact that Bibby gets subtracted, particularly when Smoove was just recently quoted in something I read (NYT article?) about how fundamental Bibby’s leadership has been?… what went into Drew’s decision to remove him from the captain role, and how do you anticipate Bibby is receiving that?

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
2:28 pm

While we continue to beat the ish out of this dead horse, you either believe that your fandom drives player performance or you believe that your fandom is insignificant to player performance. Given that Joe is one of the few Hawks whose road performance is better than home stats, I think it is clear that Joe doesn’t require fan support to perform his craft. Maybe that’s one of the reasons opposing coaches give him so much love… performance irrespective of fan support.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=1007

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
2:39 pm

AJ,

First of all, thanks for using “irrespective” (correctly) instead of the odious, non-word “irregardless”.

But next, about your 1:37 post regarding LD….. would you rather that he had said all the WRONG things this offseason?

I just don’t get how saying a lot of good things is somehow a negative? What would you have expected Drew to say that he hasn’t to make you doubt him to such a large degree BEFORE seeing any of the changes he proposes?

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
2:54 pm

northcyde, regarding the Tampa Bay Rays attendance. The regularly have sellouts when the Yankees and Red Sox are in town because everybody down here in Tampa is from New York & Boston. Talk about demoralizing – the fans turn out in droves only to cheer for the OTHER TEAM!

The Rays do not play in Tampa. They play in St. Petersburg, which is 15-20 miles southwest of Tampa. I live in the Brandon/Valrico area, a bedroom community of over 200,000 ten miles east of Tampa. To get to a Rays game I have to drive through Tampa at rush hour, across Tampa Bay (the 7 mile long bridge seems to make the drive seem longer – a psychological barrier) and then through St. Petersburg game-time traffic. Its exhausting. They need to build the new stadium in Tampa to draw from the greatest population base. They would even draw some from the Orlando area as well (hour and half away from Tampa).

Tonight the Rays are giving away 20,000 FREE TICKETS to the game just to get a full house. Its going to be a zoo in St. Pete tonight.

But even with the geographical hinderances, the biggest reason that attendance is down is the economy. The housing market has hit us hard. Even the Buccaneers have not sold out either of their two home games thus far. Doesn’t help that the team stinks. But since the games are blacked out, I can’t even see the Falcons game highlights at halftime.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
3:22 pm

Sautee, I don’t think that I suggested that his comments were negative. His comments have been very consistent with blog chatter for the past 2-3 years. If he ever calls Randolph Morris RandMo, then I will begin to suspect that his speech writer resides amongst us :) I guess I find it interesting that he could say so much right and yet not be held to more wins with the same roster as the previous coach. (And I don’t think that you specifically have praised the words but predicted fewer wins… but others have and that makes ZERO sense to me).

And the use of the non-word “irregardless” also bothers the heck out of me.

Ramon

September 29th, 2010
3:26 pm

Sautee, Horford stated this right after the season even before LD was named the coach, and before Woody was ‘not re-signed’. You’re asking me to go find links of radio interviews and other interviews of where Horford stated he would like to play PF primarily? And also to find interviews where he stated the Hawks needs another center so that he can play PF? That’s the entire reason he’s stated he wanted the Hawks to acquire another center so he can move to his natural position.

How can he play major minutes at PF as long as Josh is still a member of the Atlanta Hawks? Any common sense minded person know the Hawks are a better team when Josh and Al are on the court TOGETHER. So Al playing major minutes when Smoove isn’t on the court is something that won’t be happening.

Also you asked should Al lie about his true feelings. Well, doesn’t being a leader include biting your tongue many times in public? I’m not saying Al isn’t a leader or he’s a bad guy. But I don’t subscribe to the belief that his intangibles are that much more important than Josh’s. Because there have been many games where Al wasn’t hustling on defense. And Josh would be the only one on the Hawks hustling in the first and second quarters. And if anything Al should be the one hustling the most on the team. His defense is good/solid not great, and his offense is suspect/good not great. From an offensive standpoint and defensive, Josh provides more production.

And I guess Josh shouldn’t be a captain because he argues with the Refs, even though Kobe and Duncan argue just as much if not more as Josh.

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
3:28 pm

Rev., last year the Hawks were tied for the 2nd best home record in the NBA yet finished in the bottom 10 in home attendance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/sort/homeWinPercent/group/1

Ramon

September 29th, 2010
3:36 pm

Astro, I don’t understand why the Hawks don’t give away more tickets to children homes and different things. They could give away free tickets to elementary schools, and of course the parents would still have to pay to get in the game. But the point is as a business it cost the same amount to give away the left over tickets as it does to leave the seats empty.

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
3:36 pm

AJ,

No, I have not specifically commented on his words, nor have I predicted a number of wins. However, I AM more optimistic than you seem to be, from what I have heard you say.

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
3:41 pm

Astro Joe, I really wasn’t commenting on the Hawks. My post was really more of a self-absorbed rant because I can’t go to Rays game tonight (because of the distance) even though they are giving away free tickets

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
3:47 pm

Ramon,

about this:

“You’re asking me to go find links of radio interviews and other interviews of where Horford stated he would like to play PF primarily?”

Yes, because I never saw him say he wanted to “PRIMARILY” play PF. Never, ever saw that. So yes, if YOU saw that please let me know when and where, because THAT changes the argument. I don’t believe that’s what Al said, but if you show me, I’ll come around to your conclusion that Al is being selfish.

“And also to find interviews where he stated the Hawks needs another center so that he can play PF? That’s the entire reason he’s stated he wanted the Hawks to acquire another center so he can move to his natural position.”

Actually what he SAID was that he and Josh needed some help down low. If you can find where he actually SAID “I’d like us to acquire another center so I can move to my natural position” then once again, I’ll see your point. But I never saw him quoted as saying EITHER of those things. I’m calling BS. But if you can provide links, I’ll change my mind and apologize.

And, by the way, I’m all FOR Josh being named one of the captains.

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
3:58 pm

Ramon,

Here’s Horford talking to MC earlier this summer:

“We need to get another big guy, another center, that’s able to help myself and Josh out,” he said. “We need to have someone to come in and have an impact. I think that is the position we need if we want to be any type of contender in the East.”

MC said: “Al said he doesn’t necessarily mean getting a center to supplant him as the starter so he can move to power forward. Rather, it could be a scenario where the new center plays a lot of minutes and L.D. can mix and match from among the new guy, Al, Josh, Zaza and any other big guys Sund adds (a Jason Collins return is a possibility if he gets in better shape).”

Here’s the link if you’d like to check it out yourself: http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/07/09/atlanta-hawks-catching-up-again-with-al-horford/

Does this sound like he wants to play PRIMARILY at PF?

Ramon

September 29th, 2010
4:02 pm

I’ll find the interviews tonight when I get off.

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
4:10 pm

Ramon,

Thanks for making the effort. I’ll check back tonight. In the meantime, this is from the same blog I quoted earlier:

“I don’t have a problem splitting time [at center],” Al said. “I played a little four last year with Zaza in the game at the same time and I thought that was good. I know I am going to still play the five.”

He said he’s fine with that (it seems odd that an All-Star has to say that). He said he knows some fans and media seem to be more concerned about his position than him. But the way he sees it the Hawks have to play to their strengths, which includes a lineup with him at center.

“I think we create a lot of problems when have an athletic lineup with Josh at the four, me at the five and Marvin at the three,” Al said. “I think we create serious problems for people. I think that is one of our strengths as a team is we are so versatile.”

Ramon, does this sound like he DOESN’T want to play the 5? Or that he PRIMARILY wants to play PF?

And I find it interesting that he says he “knows some fans and media seem to be more concerned about his position than him.”

Does THAT sound like a whiner who just wants to play PF (as you seem to be suggesting)?????

Astro Joe

September 29th, 2010
4:11 pm

Sautee, my concerns are less about the new coach specifically and more about the SAMENESS overall. When given the plethora of off-season options, the Hawks chose marginal changes on the edges of the operation… and while that may offer some incremental improvement (like losing better), it doesn’t generate a tremendous amount of overall confidence that the coming season will be decidedly better than the previous one.

But if you choose to celebate the words of the new coach, then that should translate into a growing comfort that indeed, this season will in fact be decidedly better than the previous. After all, the roster is at least as good (if not incrementally better).

i_am_soulstar

September 29th, 2010
4:17 pm

I’m with you guys on Pape, quite the coincidence the he’s had 2 injuries in the course of a few months. And back problems are often a red flag as its very rare that they simply go away and never return.

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
4:37 pm

AJ,

I’m not so sure about “decidedly better” since 53 wins seems pretty reasonable for this group. But I’ve always chuckled at your “losing better” theme, though it DOES hold a grain of truth. If Garret Hartley hits that 23 yd FG in OT, then the Falcons lose BUT, they would have competed better and “lost better” than either of the two games against the Saints last year.

So yeah, the Hawks are not going 82-0 so they will lose their share, BUT if it’s a competitive loss then I can stomach it SO much better than when they just lay an egg. That said, in an 82 game season, most teams have 5-8 games where they are NOT going to win because they are “out of sync”, if you will. So if the overall regular season record is less than 53 games, BUT the losses, particularly playoff losses are more competitive, then I’ll call us “improved”.

I truly look forward to it.

terrell

September 29th, 2010
4:40 pm

Team captain is soooo overrated.

Sautee

September 29th, 2010
4:48 pm

Ramon,

One more quote from earlier in the summer, and this one shows how you could get the idea that he wants to play PF:

This is from another of MC’s blogs and here’s the link: http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/07/04/atlanta-hawks-al-horfords-summer/

Here’s what MC said:

Al reiterated his stance that he prefers to play power forward but isn’t making any demands about switching positions.

“I’m fine with [center] but my natural position is obviously the four,” he said.

Notice MC’s wording: “…isn’t making demands about switching positions”

Once again, is this whining to you? Or is he answering the question? Should he have as you say “bitten his tongue” when asked? Even when he made it clear that, as he said: “I’m fine with center”?????

O'Brien

September 29th, 2010
4:57 pm

AJ,

I dont know what others are expecting, but I expect the Hawks to make it to the second round, and be competitive enough to have a chance at advancing to the ECF.

If they lose in the second round 4-3, did they lose better? Sure. But what that would show is that they are that much closer to getting over the hump.

In Woody’s last 2 second round series, the Hawks went 0-8. So 4-3 would be a major improvement. Even if they lost 4-0 in the second round, but lose by a total of 10 points, that is also improvement, even if it is “losing better.”

SteveW

September 29th, 2010
5:17 pm

The Hawks may start fast, but if they equal 53-29 LD will have done a great job. The East is waaaaay stronger this year – starting with having to play the Heat 4x and the Magic 4x. Hope nobody is just looking at the W’s. If we go 46-36 and play alot tougher in the playoffs I’ll be happy. The Lakers were only what 57-25 – but won it all. The Cavs have won like 66 games and 61 or something – but can’t get to the big dance (NBA). Magic won 59 – can’t get there. I like the Celts approach – do respectable in the regular season – and play like crazy in the playoffs.

northcyde

September 29th, 2010
5:32 pm

Rev . . I hear you man. But I’m going to tell you like I’ve told people for over a year now on this blog. If a person REALLY wants to go to a game, they’ll endure all you have to go through, and even more, to get there to see their team.

In my case, I’m traveling 300 miles about 5 – 10 times a year to see the Hawks. I spend more on gas just trying to get to the game and bck home, than most people spend on tickets and parking.

It’s like Mz Hawkdafied said on Page 2. She goes to games because she WANTS TO. Not because JJ or anybody else wants her to go, or could care less if she shows up. Whe she wants to go, she’s gonna be there . . . regardless of the situation.

There is no doubt that the Rays need a new stadium. The “Suncoast Dome” ( which it will always be that to me ), is a horrible venue for baseball. And the Rays could do better from a marketing standpoint by maybe bringing in a big name player to sell tickets.

The Hawks are horrible when it comes to marketing. We all know that these guys are clueless in that area. And if they even have a slight chance to obtain a “ticket selling” type player, they’ll balk on it.

In the end though, the decision comes down to the individual person. Do you want to see the team on that night or not?

If you do, you’re making arrangements to get to the game no matter what. If you don’t, you’re seeing reasons to justify you not going to the game that night.

It really is that cut and dry.

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
5:45 pm

Northcyde, I’m a typical Rays fan. I only wanted the free tickets. I love the Braves. By the way, they are up on the Marlins 4-0 at the end of 3 innings.

northcyde

September 29th, 2010
5:54 pm

One of the things to watch this year, is how do the Hawks play on the road. Of all of the improvement record wise that took place under Woody, the Hawks still couldn’t seem to get to .500 on the road.

If they don’t do that this season, then expect another 2nd round beatdown.

Granted, they were more competitive on the road than they have bee in years. We had 2 big road wins @ Boston, nice road wins @ Utah, Dallas and Portland, and a game stolen from us @ Cleveland.

But the road debacles @ Detroit, Golden St, twice in New York, and at Charlotte, illustrated just how Jeckyl and Hyde that team still was on the road. Denver had this same problem, which is why they got bounced in round 1.

I believe all of the Final 4 teams in the playoffs last year had winning records on the road. I know L.A., Orlando, and Boston did . . not sure about Phoenix, although I think they did too.

If Drew’s system is working, it’ll really show up on the road.

Rev in Tampa

September 29th, 2010
5:57 pm

I have always believed that mental toughness starts at the baseline – where you start running suicides. Playing well on the road requires mental toughness. Drew is starting with heavy conditioning.

JSS

September 29th, 2010
6:20 pm

@ Northcyde…
You finally hit it! I said it at the beginning of last year: Road, Road, and Road! No one is going to take you seriously until you show up from Day One on the road. They only did it on the road against the Celtics and for 3 quarters against the Cavs once. Astonishing, you just can’t do that…

Teezo

September 29th, 2010
7:18 pm

northcyde

September 29th, 2010
5:54 pm
One of the things to watch this year, is how do the Hawks play on the road. Of all of the improvement record wise that took place under Woody, the Hawks still couldn’t seem to get to .500 on the road.

If they don’t do that this season, then expect another 2nd round beatdown.

Granted, they were more competitive on the road than they have bee in years. We had 2 big road wins @ Boston, nice road wins @ Utah, Dallas and Portland, and a game stolen from us @ Cleveland.

But the road debacles @ Detroit, Golden St, twice in New York, and at Charlotte, illustrated just how Jeckyl and Hyde that team still was on the road. Denver had this same problem, which is why they got bounced in round 1.

I believe all of the Final 4 teams in the playoffs last year had winning records on the road. I know L.A., Orlando, and Boston did . . not sure about Phoenix, although I think they did too.

If Drew’s system is working, it’ll really show up on the road.
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Bruh, you get 2 thumbs up for this post…Peace…

rusty

September 29th, 2010
8:37 pm

the way jj played in the playoffs, he deserved to get bood,ditto his teammates. way to stink up the joint

terrell

September 30th, 2010
9:08 am

53 wins was reasonable last year, but if we get 53 wins this year, I’ll be shocked. The Eastern Conference is stacked. We could win 45-50 games and still have a better overall team than last year. The landscape has changed my friends. The East is a Beast!