Atlanta Hawks: What about Marvin?

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2 1ST IN ONE DAY? IM ON A ROLE BABY!!!!!!!!! MARVIN DOESNT SUCK HE IS JUST OVERRATED HE IS A ABOVE AVERAGE PLAYER DATS IT! LAST TIME I CHECKED TEAMS PICKS PLAYERS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

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i love carolina & marvin, but each time i hear of him, i think of how easily we could have chris paul….

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Marvin’s not a bad player. I think the frustration with Marvin is he doesn’t play to his potential. Hopefully with LD’s new system he’ll get more looks.

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Wow, I guess I wasn’t first…my bad.

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Mr. Cunningham, stop trying to make Marvin feel good. He’s got 22 million reasons and friends back in Washington state for that. Marvin seriously needs to get stronger, because much more comfortable with playing in the post on offense. His height and size gives him natural advantages against other swing players – develop your back to the basket game, why don’t you?! Tolerance for Marvin should be over – he needs to know that the organization has sold a bill of goods on him as a difference maker by drafting him early and resigning him to a big contract. He’s not making Mo Evans’ money!! MARVIN! – toughen up and work on your low post game so you can become an inside AND outside threat. That shouldn’t take all season if you are consistently trying to improve.

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I think what can be said about Marvin has been said. He states his focus on defense impacts his offense. Doesn’t sound like a guy who wants it all.

Personally, I think he is very comfortable where he stands today as he has zero competition for minutes. Sund has not even considered threatening his minutes. He must be satisfied with the consistent numbers we have seen from him, except for an uptick that contract year.

He has to be the defensive stopper for this team, and if he continues to be the 4th-5th option in the offense this year, I truly don’t think it bothers him.

Well, on the bright side, his contract could have been a lot worse couldn’t it?

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“It’s true that perhaps no Hawks player has to put in more double-duty than Marvin. Checking NBA small forwards night after night isn’t easy. Doing so and then also being expected to make consistent offensive contributions, even as a guy who plays off teammates, is even harder.”

Checking NBA 2-guards while putting up good offensive numbers isn’t easy either, yet Joe Johnson seems to find a way. Checking NBA PFs despite being undersized and still putting up offensive numbers while being the focal point of your team’s defense isn’t easy, yet Josh Smith seems to find a way. Checking NBA Cs despite being undersized and still putting up All-Star quality production isn’t easy, yet Horford finds a way. I submit that those three players pull a hell of a lot more “double duty” than Marvin. Josh and Al have much more of a right to use their situation as an excuse than Marvin does.

Sure, it’s no small task to check opposing small forwards — especially in this division — but Marvin is not and has never been asked to be a key offensive contributor. All he has to do is knock down open shots, preferably from 3-point land. If he can’t do that — and if in fact he continues to do that worse than he did before he signed his contract extension — there is no excuse for it. Plain and simple.

And also, I don’t think anyone would be questioning his commitment to getting better over the summer if, in fact, he was getting better. The fact is, he has gotten worse since signing his deal, so there isn’t a lot of sympathy among us for him “knowing that he needs to get better”. Clearly that knowledge hasn’t translated into results.

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And like Rod likes to point out (and as he surely will at some point in these comments), even when Marvin does get a chance to score, he is indecisive, clumsy, and finishes very poorly for someone of his athletic ability. His clumsiness and penchant for falling down and getting blocked when driving to the hoop doesn’t strike me as something that’s going to completely reverse itself just because the Hawks are running a new system. I guess it would benefit him to design plays that have him moving towards the hoop a la Josh Childress, but his timidity when finishing around the hoop leads me to believe that the effect of even that is going to be limited. Ultimately his areas of weakness are things that he has to address.

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Mr. Cunningham,

At the risk of offending you I’m gonna speak my piece.
It seems to me that you do not enjoy your job [profession].
It also appears that you lack enthusiasm both for the beginning
of the season, as well as the Hawks in general.
You show a lack of passion for the game, that’s undeniable.
At least on this blog. I understand, your wish is not to be a
“homer”, but you must remember your audience is virtually all
Hawks fans. you’re not writing for a national publication,
therefore a little passion for the home team would go un-noticed.
In the past I have spoken up for you, however, in this instance
I am saying what’s on my mind. As I’m accustomed.
Sincerely, G-dad.

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If we would have drafted CP3 we would not have to wait . wait . wait . On Williams and i know Chris Paul is not same player he was but he took a bad NO team and turned them into contenders .

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My initial theory was that Marvin hurt his back pretty severely, so he took it easy last year and stopped progressing, and actually went backwards. This theory was shot down by drmaryb who knows the type injury and says it wasn’t that big of a deal.

My next theory on Marvin’s lack of progress is that he only played 1 year in college, and that as a back -up, so he really is uncomfortable on the court. Not enough passion for the game etc. That gets shot down by MC telling us he’s a gym rat.

My next theory is that with the addition of Jamal, Jamal got his points from Bibby and Marvin, and a little from JJ. But that doesn’t explain Marvin’s hesitancy with the basketball. Maybe his role wasn’t defined?

Now all I know is if by some miracle or something, Marvin becomes a 17 – 8 guy, the Hawks are going to be very difficult to beat, especially if Teague begins to become the player I think he will be. Oozing with talent is Teague, just not very refined as yet.

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C’mon…..use your brain.

If Marvin Williams truly wanted to earn his millions from the Hawks, he would be out on the practice court day after day, watching tapes, coordinating with Drew and working with instructors to put his talent to use. That’s what a professional who cared would do. Williams doesn’t want to do that, yet he enjoys his life style based on the assumption that he would pay back an organization that made his life a virtual Heaven. .

I think the criticism of Mr. Cunningham is…..if he were a Hawk fan, he might have called Marvin on not giving a damn about the Hawks.

So Roland, rather than taking a rather vague approach, watch next season….and if it seems the Hawks might have caught the Celtics one night or Orlando or NEW ORLEANS and Williams has 6 points 3 rebounds, no steals, no assists, no blocks in 30 minutes and we lose by 2………..then maybe you’ll get the picture.

Michael Cunningham has done good work….but he let this opportunity go by……the questions should be….where did you disappear last year, Marvin.? What specifically are you doing to make sure that doesn’t happen again?

“I will now leave you to continue to post whatever you like, but just keep in mind that these types of posts do little to help the blog community” from the above.

Roland, try to understand the situation before you censor others.

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can someone please remind me why we took marvin in the first place? he wasn’t even a starter on his own north carolina team that yr. what was it about him or his game that made him stand out? if i am not mistaken, he was high on other teams draft boards too.

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“Now all I know is if by some miracle or something, Marvin becomes a 17 – 8 guy, the Hawks are going to be very difficult to beat, especially if Teague begins to become the player I think he will be. ”

I’d rather Marvin be an 8-8 guy who shoots 40% from 3 and make first team All-Defense.

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sam’l:

“the questions should be….where did you disappear last year?
What specifically are you doing to make sure that doesn’t
happen again?”

Thank you, and although I’m basically a Marv supporter,
I am in total agreement with the above statement.

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This article left me a little flat, but it seems more due to Marvin than anything else. Kind of like a superior team playing down to the level of a poor team. Marvin didn’t give MC a lot to work with. Marvin seems not to get it. Maybe he does get it but doesn’t want to face it. KevinM and Najeh are spot on in their comments.

I disagree with the comments, however, that Marvin is uncoordinated. He is very athletic and gangly. He only looks ungraceful. He is able to guard NBA small forwards, for crying out loud. He only looks clumsy.

I agree with the comments (whoever said it) that Marvin should be working on his post up game and his driving to the basket with authority. But, again, this seems more a matter of mindset/heart than ability. He takes what’s given to him, rather than asserting himself as the baddest SOB on the court.

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Co-sign – “I agree with the comments (whoever said it) that Marvin should be working on his post up game and his driving to the basket with authority.” I’ve seen him attack the basket before – looks great. Can’t figure out why he doesn’t do it more often.

Co-sign again – “I disagree with the comments, however, that Marvin is uncoordinated. He is very athletic and gangly. He only looks ungraceful. He is able to guard NBA small forwards, for crying out loud. He only looks clumsy.”

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Najeh – BTW – looks like your looking for Shane Battier – thought I don’t think he shoots that well from 3pt range.

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SteveW

Shane Battier – 38.5 3pt% career, 36.2% last season.

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SteveW

You beat me to it.

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I can not find a good thing to say about Marvin as a basketball player. When you pick in the top 3 of a draft you should be looking for a franchise player and Marvin has never shown the ability to be a franchise player in Atlanta. So, to me, he is a bust. Al Horford on the other hand, could end up being the Hawks franchise guy in a lot of ways, he is good with the media, has leadership qualities, has already made the All-Star team. Al is a couple 20 pt 10 reb seasons away from being a nationally marketed player for some big companies and so is Josh and that is proof of Josh being marketed by NBA 2K11 which is the best basketball simulation video game on the market. Marvin does not bring anything consistently on the court or off the court to help promote the Hawks as a business or growing franchise. Nice to hear he does things for his community back in Seattle, maybe we can trade him back out West like some have mentioned, but the truth is noone wants Marvin because of his contract. Marvin basically sucks as a basketball player and investment for this franchise and I wish he would just quit.

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Given Marvin recent struggles, I think what would have delighted the fans if he had spent time in a basketball clinic environment with any one of the all time great NBA small forwards of the game; (Dominique Wilkins, Doctor J, etc.) expanding and improving his game. Marvin’s problem doesn’t appear to be his work ethics (as you pointed out, he’s a game rat). The question to ask; is he working smarter. Maybe he needs to consult with an all time great about the errors of his ways. If he is just playing pickup games and doing the same thing over and over (though he is working harder) and getting the same results, then perhaps the problem is his strategy.

I say this not to sound sarcastic, but Marvin made a big jump as a 19-year old kid with limited NCAA PT to the NBA. His only NBA coach has been Woody who hasn’t shown much interest in developing players by his own admission. So, Marvin has been left basically to self-teach himself. If a player hasn’t previously developed his game (unlike Jamal Crawford) and was traded or drafted to the Hawks under Woody’s tenure, he would no doubt struggle. While Acie Law was a prime prototypical example of this, Josh Smith was the exception. Though Josh is an exceptional athlete, he still struggles with some of his basic fundamentals. Any improvement Josh has made over the years is to his own credit and not Woody. It will be no different for Marvin; he has to make the initiative to make his game more effective. I’m sure with all those millions; he should have no problems in finding himself a personal trainer beyond just camping out with his college buddies at UNC playing pickup games.

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Roll Tide

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MC,

A little off subject but I have been wanting to ask u this for a minute..have you asked any of the players if they spoken to Mike Woodson? If so, how did it go? No big deal, just curious to know..thx in advance!

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MC,
Grandad said it all – asking him to “be more specific” truly shows your relative indifference for the Hawks and speaks volumes about your basketball IQ (or lack thereof). In general, your articles are poorly written, emotionally void, and give very little insight into the inner workings of our franchise. You do not offer a fresh perspective on anything Hawks-related, other than when you happen to be the one who has access to “breaking news” about a contract being signed (or not signed). Your penchant for stating the obvious is boring and well documented in all of your articles. If the beat-writer job is so painful and your writing skills are so inherently weak, why do you even bother telling us what we already know? It almost seems as if you write these articles on the can, wipe your ass with them, and subsequently post them on ajc.com as if Hawks’ fans are supposed to appreciate your dirty toilet paper??!! Your response to @sam at 12:37am, is exactly why you have no business blogging for the Atlanta Hawks. Everytime you post an article I cringe because I already know how pointless said article will be. To say you have no “emotional connection to the Hawks” is an understatement. You seem to have no emotional connection to the NBA, or the world for that matter. Please take the time to put yourself in the shoes of a Hawks’ fan for just one millisecond. Then, read any of the blogs you’ve written and ask yourself – do I care what Michael Cunningham thinks? Simply put, it’s embarrassing to the City of Atlanta when you write an article. Good luck in your efforts to construct one original thought!! And yes, this is a personal attack on you!! One of your “5 key questions you HAVE to come up with for tuesday’s paper” should be, “How many Michael Cunningham’s does it take to write an informative and passionate piece about the Atlanta Hawks?”

Answer: nobody knows because it’s never happened before

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSS!!!
CA-CAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!

Marvin is still underrated, under-valued, under-appreciated and young! Of course we expect more from him this year! He’ll go for 12, 7, 3, 2 & 1 this year in LD’s new system… Marvin-haters will be quiet by December and we’ll all be singing kumbaya together by April (and hopefully on into June)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And next year we dump Billups 14.2m salary for the team option of 3.7m..

Arm Tellum is going to kill us with Horford I’m afraid – hope we sign Al soon.

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MC,

You have to realize that people around here would only feel that you had done your job right if you had stated that it was a shame that marvin didn’t catch malaria whilst in Senegal.

To say that he is a gym rat… That’s way out of order? How dare you say something which goes against established dogmas around here?

It doesn’t matter that Sekou had reported exactly the same early last season when he started struggling (that he spent hours shooting and trying to shake off the bad period).

By saying that marvin is a gym rat you are questioning the existence of god!!!

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Why anyone would expect more from Marvin than we have received is beyond me.
And beyond Marvin.

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yes granddad, i know that and i gave you mine, period. i mean it is a blog here and though we obfuscate with “facts” and statistics, it is still our opinions after all, is it not? you see and look for what you want to see probably about 99% of the time; we all see it differently and spend the rest of our time trying to convince others of the same.

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este chico debe ser traspasado….recuerdo una jugada en la que le puso un tapon a lebron y acto seguido entrego el balon a un contrario para que anotara facil…..ese es Marvin Williams!!!

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wordsmithtom, I like Marvin. A great citizen and loads of athletic upside. However, Marvin, it appears to me, went to the inside with finesse rather than authority. As several have pointed out, Marvin has a difficult time “finishing” a drive – misses too many lay-ups & is blocked to often. This is a “skill” that can be improved. I’m glad that Marvin is a gym rat, but he needs to be working on more than his jumpshot.

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You don’t EVER, EVER, EVER draft a guy that high when he’s coming off the bench in college. It just doesn’t make sense. 11 points, 7 rbs per game as the team’s Sixth man does not equal #2 pick in the draft. I don’t care how UNC was running things. Either the kid was good enough to start as a freshman, or he wasn’t. Meanwhile, Billy Knight still doesn’t have a job. We see why….

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Marvin is and I think will always be the weak link in the starting lineup…As someone mentioned, he has no competition for the SF spot, so he is content with where he is at, but to me has plenty of potential if he just applied himself…For a player to be a top 5 pick you have to make some kinda name for yourself and he has not…It looks to me as though he has no motivation to become a better player, whether you become the best defender on the team, best 3pt shooter or getting to the free-throw line, he has done nothing to impress me since being in the NBA (I don’t even give him playing time when I run with the Hawks on the PS3)…Im past us not taking Paul over Marvin, but to me that should have been motivation to prove that you are just as good as those players…He got his money and tucked his tail…Any improvements will good for the team, but I won’t believe it until I see it…Start JJ at the 3 and let Mo run the 2, which I think should have been happened b/c Mo seems to have a lil more aggressive in his game, kinda what we missed in Childress, plus Marvin could show what skills he has against the 2nd units…Peace…

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There is nothing left to say about Marvin…..these comments are the same ones that were posted last year about Marvin…..and even the year before….

Marvins marginal ability with the Hawks is making us all of us with our fingers crossed look stupid. Its time to stop talking about Marvin (for the third offseason in a row)and figure out how to move him.

Quack Quack.

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Never understood why the franchise chose Williams over Childress. I do agree that Marvin could possibly be more effective as a second team guy.

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It’s terribly hard to dislike Marvin as a person. I’ve often defended him as a basketball player, but as MC stated, fans are selfish. We want results and we want them now. Marvin really improved in his 3 point shooting season before last. However last season was almost a train wreck. I think his confidence was zapped. You had JC coming off the bench who pretty much can score effortlessly to snatch Marvin off the court at the first dead ball. I’m sure it’s hard to get into any kind of shooting rhythm that way. There were some nights that Marvin didn’t even finish the game, but he didn’t sulk. I just hope that this glorious new system by LD gives him an opportunity to shine. He’s playing one of the hardest positions to play in the league behing the PG position, but he has to be more aggressive on the offensive end.

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I really don’t understand the MC bashing that’s going on today. I remember last summer we were begging for anybody/somebody to throw us a bone. Whether he likes the Hawks or not is his business. What i appreciate most is his willingness to ask the questions that we as fans ask everyday on this blog.

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OBrien said “”"Bruce Bowen has career averages of 6 ppg and 3 rpg. Those numbers are not very good, but he is a 39% shooter from 3 (how many big 3s from the corner did we see him knock down), and he was a shut down defender, at 6′7″, and 200 lbs.

You have SFs like Artest, Battier, Prince, Bowen, and even Matt Barnes who play (or has played) very good defense. Why can’t Marvin, who is 6′9″, 240 lbs, and a big wing span? “”"”
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Exactly…I don’t want monster numbers from Marvin, but at the same time I don’t want dead weight on the floor either and the players you mentioned are active when on the court and thats Marvins problem, he disappears way too much…But I truly believe that the Hawks and Marvin would benefit more with him coming off the bench where he would be a go to guy along with Crawford and wouldn’t have the opportunity to disappear…His effort and activity level doesn’t match one of a starter, especially on a team that is considered one of the best (trying to be atleast) in the league…Peace…

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I wonder how many beat writers become victimized by their bloggers by the end of the summer? Kind of like “the last desperate days” of the NBA blog world… waiting anxiously for the start of the season, so they start biting the hand that feeds them. Oh well. I get the impression that MC knows how to handle the pitbulls around here… who will transform into lap dogs with the start of today’s media event.

If you really want to know if MC is any good at his job, let’s see if he can put Pape Sy and Mario West in the same room at the same time. I doubt it. I think they are one in the same, Drew just needed to pretend that his pet player is different than Woody’s. So he dressed Mario up in a chapeau and told him to fake a French accent. A quality journalist would uncover the truth.

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at aj … a good chuckle.

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What MC commented: “last time i checked with L.D. he said he had not spoken to Woody.”

Is LD gettting back at Woody for not listening to him for 6 years while on his staff?

Seriously, I wouldn’t expect LD to talk to Woody…..I still think there was some discourse there over the years, and LD learned to stay mum over the years so he could keep employment. I am willing to give LD the opportunity, but something has been amiss with that coaching staff since LD tried to take another job while the basketball expert was still in charge here.

The start of camp does not bring in a refreshed approach with LD in charge. The ties to the previous regime are still there along with the limited expectations.

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Nothing bout Marvin but I heard Denver is basically letting everybody go so why don’t they look at Nene…..

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I actually think the opposite about Marvin. I think maybe he should have spent even more time away from the court. Physically, its very hard to find something wrong with Marvin. But I think taking longer to ‘restart’ mentally would’ve been a better service to him, than being in the gym.

@ Big Ray, I think Marvin’s driving may come from him not having experience with going against more athletic players when he was younger (in high school). When you’re often the most athletic player on the court, its quite easy to pick up bad habits, while still producing. The worst thing can happen to a player is to be successful while making a bad play. If you remember, Chills used to look quite awkward whenever he would drive the lane also. Remember for years, we all wonder why Chills didn’t dunk as much as he should instead of laying it up (which he often missed). Also, I think Marvin doesn’t understand the concept of trying to finish WHILE drawing contact. I think sometimes he just drive to try and draw a foul with the shot being an after thought. If Marvin ever starts finishing strong around the rim, he will instantly become an 18 ppg player.

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Most wanted to see Jordan-like talent from Marvin as the #2 selection in the draft, and when we didn’t get it we at least expected to get Jordan-like effort and drive. Instead what many saw/see in Marvin ‘appears’ (rightly or wrongly) rather more like indifference. Who knows how he’ll do in LD’s system, but probably most have given up on the notion that he has promise. And after five years of what can properly be characterized as disappointment, it’s perplexing to many of us why the ASG/Sund have not long since adopted Orlando’s GM’s approach (i.e., “…if he’s not helping me win, I move him”).

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Mario West is at camp with the Celtics.

How do I know? Because I’m your father.

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keep up the good work MC..

wait.. has the regular season started..? pre-season..? camp even? oh.. ok. didnt think so. thought i missed something. you go hard and keep the material fresh when it matters..

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Clyde,

Your proposed line up would be a defensive disaster: Bibby + Crawford as starters?

How long would it take for Al and Smoove to pick up their 3rd, 4th and 5th fouls and commute back and forth to the bench?

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Mr. Cunningham,
Thanks for the discourse. please understand that my homily
was not at all about Marv as I actually like the kid.
I also appreciate that you seemed to take my words in
the spirit in which they were intended, which was [not]
to attack, but rather me voicing my singular impression.

["i am, however, a dispassionate observer of the Hawks"]
-Michael Cunningham-

You see, this is why your a writer and I’m not.
You basically wrapped it all up in one sentence,
everything I was laboring to express.

As before, consider me an ardent supporter, even though some
will say I’m being hypocritical or down-right untruthful
by:
“transforming into a lap dog” now the season is upon us.
Sincerely, G-dad.

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U hawks fans make me lmao u got rid of woody,ok that’s fine u wanted Joe gone that didn’t happen sum of don’t like mc&u dam want marvin out I’m glad I’m a bulls fan,but I also pull for the hawks when they’re not playing da bulls,good luck hawks fan u folks r funny as heck.

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I think we all know what to expect from Marvin by now. He will have a few really good moments/games, but will disappear most of the time. Marvin is what Marvin is. He is a decent player with all the tools to be a really good player. For whatever reason, he just lacks a killer instinct on the floor.

I really think Marvin is just happy where he is. I don’t think basketball means the world to him, like it does to Kobe type guys. Basketbal is just something Marvin is really good at, so he does it. It’s not life or death to him. Never will be, either.

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“yodaddy

September 27th, 2010
1:25 pm
Mario West is at camp with the Celtics.”

Well, there goes our domination over the reigning EC champs!

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You know Iam not mad at Marvin. First off the hawks should have traded him when his contract was expiring. But no they resigned him to a 35 million dollar deal. So who are the fools here. Yes we all know Marvin havnt played to being a 2nd overall pick. But Shelden Williams didnt either. We traded him. Look man drafting is not an exact science and I understand that. But when you resign a player that didnt pan out. Who is the blame? To put it in lay mens terms. If you buy a lemon from a car lot and you pay the note for 5 years and make the repairs on it. You are a fool!!!

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MC: You do a great job. No one would be complaining about your writing if the Hawks had not had a boring offseason in which the ASG had done the bare minimum to field a team.

It is hard to be excited about an underachieving team that only signs vets off the scrap heap each year.

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“I watch him before the games warming up”

…pause…

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KevinM, didn’t it take Josh Smith 6 years to learn that he shouldn’t take 3 pointers?

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“H can barely walk without tripping, so to add dribbling and a defender to that makes it worse.”

13, 15, 14 and 10 ppg the last 4 yrs. And he can barely walk without tripping. Aight.

“He is one of the weakest guys I have ever seen at the NBA level.”

Then you never watch nba games. Except to watch marv during warmups I mean.

“His balance and footwork is very bad. He is not ATHLETIC, he is tall and rangy.”

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

Better agility and sprint times than the Joshes, 35 inch vert, same bench press results.

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Michael Cunningham

September 27th, 2010
12:40 am

@truthspitter: “I can not find a good thing to say about Marvin as a basketball player. When you pick in the top 3 of a draft you should be looking for a franchise player and Marvin has never shown the ability to be a franchise player in Atlanta. So, to me, he is a bust.”

i think that ship sailed a while back. at this point, Marvin should be judged as a $7 million per year SF. he didn’t live up to that last season.

@Mike, I respect you as a human being but how can you tell someone else how something or someone should be judged? IMO, he should always be judged as a potential franchise player because that’s what he was initially pegged as. I think your sentiment for Marvin is basically what’s wrong with the city as a sports city. Marvin would have been ran out of town by now if this was really a sports city, check Philly, New York, Chicago and the other true sports cities that support there teams unconditionally. Tyrus Thomas is better than Marvin and is less of a failure but Chicago could not have a lottery pick so inconsistent around so they traded him because the fans would not put up with such. They don’t except less that’s how they continue to support. Marvin is a bust and the city of Atlanta is not calling him or the front office on it for keeping him around.

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*Playining:
Zaza playin’ the [3] would be about as clumsy as me typining!
-OR-
Marv playining the [3], either one.

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doc *(from earlier)

*[period].

* Was not directed @ you.
* Nor was I attemptin’ to be a jackass @ your expense.
Now the jackass part (just comes natural) I can’t help that.
* Sorry it appeared that way.

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When Marvin worked out for BK and Woody, it was reported that he did not work out against other players, so basically, it was just him, taking shots and doing what he does with no-one on him.

No wonder BK and Woody were impressed. I dont understand why they would not want to see a guy who was a 6th man in college work out against other college players. Thanks BK.

Out of his 4 years in the league (I’m not including his rookie year), Marvin had 2 good seasons (including 14 and 6 the year before he signed his contract).

For whatever reason, he regressed last year. So this will be his opportunity to show who he really is. I just hope at the end of the year we are not hearing how Marvin had difficulty adjusting to a new system.

And I dont know what Rick Sund was thinking last year. Not only did he give Bibby 3 years guaranteed ., but in addition to not letting Marvin lest the market, he also gave Marvin a $7.5 mil player option . for a 5th year. SMH…

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Marvin seems to be in his own little dream world. After 6 long years he is still far too inconsistent and definitely seems to be in denial about just how much of an underachiever that he really has been.

It’s clear to everyone (except for Marvin, apparently)that Marvin hasn’t produced offensively in a manner that one would expect from someone with his natural ability and really doesn’t seem to grasp the concept that the Hawks need him to get his head on straight and be a baller as the team has invested much more in him than he seems to have invested in the team. Some nights I really wonder if the guy even cares.

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[...] By Rich Atlanta Hawks forward Marvin Williams recently told the Journal-Constitution that he played host for a bowling event (the word local was used, but I couldn’t determine if [...]

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gdad, no offense, got too much respect nor do i take this stuff personal.

as far as impassioned, i dont need to read some cheerleader schmuck on this site giving me info. i like the straight style. geez, sekou was as impassioned as they came until he was bumped from an airplane then we heard how bad air travel was. i want a pro that cares about his work. MC meets the criteria.

if you want to hear a fan doing the job listen to buck belue play favs at 680. geez it is hard for him to criticize folks he knows like cmr and bobo. we also forget MC kind of sleeps, eats and travels with these guys. fine line there. if you want info he cant be pissing them off as he says they are trash. didnt someone get fired in san fran because a coach got too chippy when he asked some relevant questions.

come on there coach you played the game of hold info from the press even though it was small town stuff. you had a bit of honest protective paranoia going from time to time if people got to sniffing at the wrong time is my guess. otherwise why would the mrs be still watching out for your p’s and q’s?

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Ratty Tatt Tat!

dap01 asked MC this:

“MC: Give us you thoughts on Jamal’s comments today. Will he be traded before the year starts? Does Jamal have any leverage?”

Unbelievable!

1. dap01, how many times do we need MC thoughts on Jamal’s comments?
Why don’t you scroll down the Blog Roll List and take your pick
from all the articles with Jamal’s name in it!

2. Will he be traded before the season starts?
How on God’s green earth would the beat writer know this?

A better question is: Will you still be wearing “under – roos” by
the time training camp ends?

3. Does Jamal have any leverage?
What do you think? Aren’t NBA contracts fully guaranteed and binding?

If I were the Beat Writer? I would poke all the idiotic posters
In the eye with a Simon Cowell foam finger!

Go Figure!

Aye dap01! Stay on the Bus!

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Hawks Needed to Trade for Carmelo! Marvin, Josh and whoever! The nuggets would jump in a heartbeat!

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Crawford says extension agreement before start of season “would be nice” More than once said “if I’m here moving forward”

Jamal Crawford at #Hawks media day on contract extension: “If it doesn’t work out we’ll cross that bridge when we get there

Well, Crawford doesn’t sound as adamant with his “sign me or trade me” demand as was reported. I think we might have a chance to see if he’s just playing nice for the time being or not, as I don’t see how the Hawks can re-sign him right now, and I don’t see them trading him now unless they get good value in return.

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“and i will say that compared to Miami Heat fans, you all have better perspective and knowledge as a group.”

Haha… no sh-t MC, of course we are better than Heat fans.

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Look at this and then rub your eyes in disbelief!

http://www.nba.com/hawks/photogallery/Media_Day_Photos.html?curPhoto=3

The Hawks need to ask for refund: this year’s Collins edition is a chinese counterfeit… This guy is too damn thin. It can’t be our pork-chop twin!

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“IMO, he should always be judged as a potential franchise player because that’s what he was initially pegged as.”

The point MC was making, with which I agree, is that Marvin has long since proven that he is not a franchise player, so it’s a waste of time to expect him to be that. As disappointing as he is, he didn’t ask to be picked #2, and we have all agreed that Billy Knight made a mistake picking him at that position. Expecting him to be a franchise player doesn’t make any more sense than signing Stromile Swift or Kwame Brown and expecting them to be franchise players.

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why anyone would think that mo was capable to play first string for us, i cant imagine , i dont think he is good enough to play first string for any team in the nba. i would give the job to jc1 & move jj to sf. i rather give the job to jc2 as i already see he has a hell of a lot more talant than mo

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OK, lol,
Hawks have signed a new player and nobody even noticed!
Come on MC fess up!

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Where is Teague in the media day pictures? Glad that Marvin is not in any of them. I get sick to my stomach everytime I see him, LMAO

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These players have been on NBA trade machine for a week or more:
[practice players I recon]

(1) Evan Brock [formerly of Lassiter HS]
(2) Richard Delk
(3) Ricardo Marsh

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Talented State of Mind!

WOW! Just saw NBA TV GameTime.
Chris Webber said if you are a Hawks Fan?

“You are depressed, Because you have a New Coach and No Talent
for him to work with.”

C Webb says, “They spent a lot of money, but haven’t resigned
Crawford and supposedly they have all this talent, but I don’t
see it. They will not make the play offs, because everyone around
them got better.”

Webb picks the rematch: Lakers and Celtics

Very interesting to hear the outside looking in perspective.

Well, my friends told me I owed too much on credit cards and
was too old at 32 years of age to return to Graduate School
and become a Doctor.

Well, we all know how that turned out!
I wonder what crow taste like?

I Believe my Hawks WILL make the play-offs and should not
be grossly over looked like that.

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Question MC – shouldnt anyone who says James White is better than Marvin Williams be banned from the blog? Hell shouldnt he banned from the human race?

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OK WordSmithTom, i will take your comments to heart as Marvin isn’t a bust as a good player but not an elite player either you expect from the top of the draft, but first off it is not hate! just my opinion of watching Marvin for 5 years in Hawks uniform. i understand the ISO with JJ but that usually is in fourth quarter where all the Hawks players were standing and watching JJ dribble and try to create his shot, not just Marvin on the wing. Point here is Marvin has had 20 points plus games in Woody’s system some but never consistent on a game to game basis, that is what i mean when he disappears in games-that is fact! Then on defense, i get tired of the talk he has to guard the other SF and gets worn down or tired, it this is the case he should only play 25 minutes a game and play all-out and not try to save energy and then bring in a role player offf the bench to spell Marvin in each quarter for a breather. I never agreed with Woody playing the starters all those minutes a game without rest for the fourth quarter, so lets see what happens this year under LD, and see if he is willing to develop the bench players and rest the starters in games. Preseason will be a great indication where this team is going and how well the offensive system works.
Ex GM Knight and this bunch ASG owners are the real culprits in this mess anyway from keeping the Hawks from the title, especially this year with a few free agent centers available that could have helped the Hawks have muscle around the basket and not drafting center Whiteside in this year’s draft.

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