Atlanta Hawks: What about Marvin?
Hawks want Marvin to do this and produce on offense.
So I was contemplating the five questions for training camp I have to come up with for Tuesday’s newspaper, going down the usual list of suspects, when it occurred to me I hadn’t spent a lot of time thinking about one key question:
What about Marvin?
I know my blog people haven’t forgotten him since you’ve included his name in every possible dream trade scenario all summer. I’ve seen him criticized for seemingly not spending enough time developing his game over the summer (the dude is a gym rat by all accounts) and too much time developing as a human (he can’t spend every minute in the gym, can he?)
That’s not to say I don’t understand the frustration. Fans are selfish by nature, and what you want to know is now what did Marvin do to become a better person but how can he help the Hawks be better. Does it provide any solace to hear that Marvin knows he needs to be better, too?
The Hawks are pinning much of their hopes for Marvin’s improvement on L.D.’s new offense. Marvin is, too.
“That always sounds good to a player,” Marvin said. “You always want to be involved. Last year my production went down. Hopefully with this new offense guys will get looks on a more consistent basis and they will be better looks.
“Some nights, for me I could have 20 [points] or I could have 4. For our team to be a good team, I personally can’t have nights like that. So hopefully with this new offense, I will know where the shots are coming from each night and be able to knock them down.”
Actually, Marvin only had four nights of at least 20 points during the regular season and one in 11 playoff games. Even considering how Williams often got lost in the iso-shuffle, that’s not good enough for a player with his physical attributes and talent.
It’s true that perhaps no Hawks player has to put in more double-duty than Marvin. Checking NBA small forwards night after night isn’t easy. Doing so and then also being expected to make consistent offensive contributions, even as a guy who plays off teammates, is even harder.
But Marvin is entering his sixth season, he’s set to make more than $22 million over the next three years, the Hawks need him to produce and so here we are.
“You spend so much energy on the defensive end [but] at the same time you’ve got to make your opponent guard,” he said. “It’s hard enough to guard them but you can’t let them come down and catch a blow on defense. With this new offense and everybody moving hopefully [defenders] will have some more to think about.”
Marvin took some time to think this summer. He went back to Chapel Hill and continued work on his African-American Studies degree (”Probably three more summers to go,” he said). He recently played host to a local bowling event for Special Olympics, an organization he’s volunteered with since he was a sophomore in high school.
Before that, Marvin went to Dakar, Senegal, with the NBA’s Basketball Without Borders program.
“The people were great,” he said. “The people were so nice. They made something out of literally nothing. Those guys are out there playing on dirt courts. It was 120 degrees, it felt like. Super humid. They are out there exercising, working on their game.”
The NBA contingent helped with the effort to put up bed netting in villages in the region with the hope of eradicating malaria.
“I think that was the most special thing for me was to be able to help out,” he said. “Just a little bit.”
So it’s not exactly back to reality for Marvin. More like back from that harsh reality to his job, which figures to be tougher as expectations for his performance rise (again).
“Coach just wanted me to come back ready,” he said. “I just continue to do the things I’ve been doing: shooting the ball, try to get quicker guarding the ball, trying to handle the ball. Just try to stay consistent. I’ve got to work on being consistent this year. I think that is my biggest thing.”
MC
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newkid
September 27th, 2010
12:49 pm
Most wanted to see Jordan-like talent from Marvin as the #2 selection in the draft, and when we didn’t get it we at least expected to get Jordan-like effort and drive. Instead what many saw/see in Marvin ‘appears’ (rightly or wrongly) rather more like indifference. Who knows how he’ll do in LD’s system, but probably most have given up on the notion that he has promise. And after five years of what can properly be characterized as disappointment, it’s perplexing to many of us why the ASG/Sund have not long since adopted Orlando’s GM’s approach (i.e., “…if he’s not helping me win, I move him”).
darrell starks
September 27th, 2010
1:20 pm
YEAH MC WHY DON’T MAKE AND ARTICLE ABOUT VICK, the guy is dominating and no say’s anything.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
yodaddy
September 27th, 2010
1:25 pm
Mario West is at camp with the Celtics.
How do I know? Because I’m your father.
Funny 2 me
September 27th, 2010
1:39 pm
Big Ray you are terrible my friend..You are the guy who sucks up people above you 2 get where they are..Stop suckin these writers on the AJC’s d*** PLEASE…Its never going 2 get you 2 where they are..Its making you look terrible and like duck..So please stop insulting people for telling the truth…This guy m.c. is WEAK and couldnt hold a candle to sekou..He actually did his job and did it very well!! Now go ahead and call me a “tard” also..Lol your a joke!!
bigdave
September 27th, 2010
1:43 pm
keep up the good work MC..
wait.. has the regular season started..? pre-season..? camp even? oh.. ok. didnt think so. thought i missed something. you go hard and keep the material fresh when it matters..
Mz. Hawkdafied
September 27th, 2010
1:50 pm
MC, since this is officially Bash MC Day. I just have two requests, that you please stop reminding us Hawks fans how much you really don’t care about the Hawks. And #2 please stop comparing us to Miami fans.
Why? Because it makes it seem as if you wish you were still covering the Miami Heat instead of our beloved Hawks. Quite frankly, it kinda annoys me a little.
Moving on. I would like to commend you on keeping us up to date or providing topics for discussion on a regular basis even though, at times, in all honesty, it seems that it bores you.
Moving on again. The questions about Marvin will be answered when the season starts. Like Marvin said, he needs to work on being more consistent. I agree. As far as Marvin being a gym rat. I don’t really know what Marvin does in his spare time. I only can go by what is reported in the news. But I must admit I’ve always thought he was athletic. And I assume most athletes are gym rats. ??????
I think it’s great that Marvin chooses to have a life outside of basketball. A part of it being to help better the lives of others. That’s exemplary.
Thanks for sharing that bit of info about Marvin with us. Keep the info/discussions coming.
Go Hawks!
vava74
September 27th, 2010
1:56 pm
Clyde,
Your proposed line up would be a defensive disaster: Bibby + Crawford as starters?
How long would it take for Al and Smoove to pick up their 3rd, 4th and 5th fouls and commute back and forth to the bench?
Astro Joe
September 27th, 2010
2:11 pm
Clyde, do you think that it has anything to do with which uniform he was wearing before and the uniform that he is wearing now? I, for one, care as much about the Philly QB as I do about the Kansas City QB. Likewise, I care very little about Schaub, Deangelo, Boris Diaw, Jason Terry, Jeff Francoeur, Jarod “Salty” or Yunel Escobar. I cheer the hometown teams and the players who wear their uniforms.
Grandad
September 27th, 2010
2:21 pm
Mr. Cunningham,
Thanks for the discourse. please understand that my homily
was not at all about Marv as I actually like the kid.
I also appreciate that you seemed to take my words in
the spirit in which they were intended, which was [not]
to attack, but rather me voicing my singular impression.
["i am, however, a dispassionate observer of the Hawks"]
-Michael Cunningham-
You see, this is why your a writer and I’m not.
You basically wrapped it all up in one sentence,
everything I was laboring to express.
As before, consider me an ardent supporter, even though some
will say I’m being hypocritical or down-right untruthful
by:
“transforming into a lap dog” now the season is upon us.
Sincerely, G-dad.
Rod from College Park
September 27th, 2010
2:33 pm
Marvin is what he is. I actually give him and his agent a lot of credit. Either we have had two of the worse talent evaluators in the world as our last two gm’s or Marvin and his agent are much smarter than the Hawks.
He is a below average SF in this league. His is not even average. The fact that he is such a gym rat, and his game is where it is let’s me know that he is not, or will not become a great player. Some players just look good in warmups, but can’t play when the game starts. Marvin is one of those guys. I watch him before the games warming up, and he hits almost every shot. His problems are mental, but there are things that are not under his control that prevent him from taking the next step. He is not aggressive by nature. Don’t know that you can change that at this point. He is a 25 year old goofball. H can barely walk without tripping, so to add dribbling and a defender to that makes it worse. He has no handles, which is probably why guys like Grandad feel like he should be a 4. He is one of the weakest guys I have ever seen at the NBA level. His balance and footwork is very bad. He is not ATHLETIC, he is tall and rangy. Josh Smith is athletic. Chills was athletic. If he was not drafted #2 in the draft, he would not still be in the league. There are many players, such as James White, Darius Miles, even Demarr Johnson, who are much better players than he is, and have had problems actually getting back in the league for whatever reason.
Evelyn
September 27th, 2010
2:33 pm
U hawks fans make me lmao u got rid of woody,ok that’s fine u wanted Joe gone that didn’t happen sum of don’t like mc&u dam want marvin out I’m glad I’m a bulls fan,but I also pull for the hawks when they’re not playing da bulls,good luck hawks fan u folks r funny as heck.
dstdeelite
September 27th, 2010
2:54 pm
Geez, I hope Marvin’s not reading this blog. He’ll need some tissue and a few sedatives before he’s done. Some comments made about him are just downright mean. Some of the criticism is not constructive at all and quite frankly has no place on a Sports Blog. SMH
Section 303
September 27th, 2010
3:06 pm
I think we all know what to expect from Marvin by now. He will have a few really good moments/games, but will disappear most of the time. Marvin is what Marvin is. He is a decent player with all the tools to be a really good player. For whatever reason, he just lacks a killer instinct on the floor.
I really think Marvin is just happy where he is. I don’t think basketball means the world to him, like it does to Kobe type guys. Basketbal is just something Marvin is really good at, so he does it. It’s not life or death to him. Never will be, either.
Section 303
September 27th, 2010
3:09 pm
Grandad, comments like that from Michael (I am a dispassionate observer of the Hawks) makes me glad I am not a writer. I don’t ever want to be dispassionate. I think most sports writers forget what got them interested in sports to begin with–passion!
It’s alright to care, Michael. I, for one, would love a beat writer that cares about the team as much as I do.
KevinM
September 27th, 2010
3:16 pm
“yodaddy
September 27th, 2010
1:25 pm
Mario West is at camp with the Celtics.”
Well, there goes our domination over the reigning EC champs!
1frustratedhawksfan
September 27th, 2010
3:21 pm
1st time posting fellas. I have grown impatient waiting on Marvin Williams to produce. I see Denver’s entire roster is up for grabs here are trades I’d make:
-Jamal for JR Smith and Birdman
OR
-Marvin & Jamal for NeNe and Birdman
OR
-Marvin & Jamal for Nene and JR
dukester
September 27th, 2010
3:21 pm
You know Iam not mad at Marvin. First off the hawks should have traded him when his contract was expiring. But no they resigned him to a 35 million dollar deal. So who are the fools here. Yes we all know Marvin havnt played to being a 2nd overall pick. But Shelden Williams didnt either. We traded him. Look man drafting is not an exact science and I understand that. But when you resign a player that didnt pan out. Who is the blame? To put it in lay mens terms. If you buy a lemon from a car lot and you pay the note for 5 years and make the repairs on it. You are a fool!!!
KevinM
September 27th, 2010
3:23 pm
Why all of a sudden should the light come on now for Marvin after 6 years? How many guys do you know take that long to find their niche in a lineup?
The comment about LD making Marvin earn those 30+ minutes is laughable. He has no competition….IMO, he and Al are the most protected guys on this team. No one on this roster could force them to the bench.
Marvin’s comments: “Coach just wanted me to come back ready,” he said. “I just continue to do the things I’ve been doing: shooting the ball, try to get quicker guarding the ball, trying to handle the ball. Just try to stay consistent. I’ve got to work on being consistent this year. I think that is my biggest thing.”
Marvin has a lot to improve upon and he acknowledges that. I can’t ask for more than that.
dap01
September 27th, 2010
3:23 pm
MC: You do a great job. No one would be complaining about your writing if the Hawks had not had a boring offseason in which the ASG had done the bare minimum to field a team.
It is hard to be excited about an underachieving team that only signs vets off the scrap heap each year.
dap01
September 27th, 2010
3:30 pm
MC: Perhaps when things slow down, you could write about that awesome trade that brought the Hawks $3M. That was great.
Then you could write about that clever trade (Childress) that netted the exception that was not used.
Seriously, it would be interesting to have someone from the AJC write about the “bone headed” moves instead of simply accepting them as being normal. Other teams make moves to improve. The Hawks apparantly do not.
Hmmmmmm
September 27th, 2010
3:34 pm
“I watch him before the games warming up”
…pause…
doc
September 27th, 2010
3:36 pm
oh dap, come on now. we have core intact, organic growth and a new coach who was the assistant coach for a guy they essentially fired to get excited about and look forward to.
man if i ever wanted to know what farming was like watching wheat grow this is it, hawks post season 2010.
now you know!
MC did you ever feel like making chicken salad out of chicken sh!t?
Astro Joe
September 27th, 2010
3:37 pm
KevinM, didn’t it take Josh Smith 6 years to learn that he shouldn’t take 3 pointers?
Astro Joe
September 27th, 2010
3:38 pm
Hmmmmmm
September 27th, 2010
3:40 pm
“H can barely walk without tripping, so to add dribbling and a defender to that makes it worse.”
13, 15, 14 and 10 ppg the last 4 yrs. And he can barely walk without tripping. Aight.
“He is one of the weakest guys I have ever seen at the NBA level.”
Then you never watch nba games. Except to watch marv during warmups I mean.
“His balance and footwork is very bad. He is not ATHLETIC, he is tall and rangy.”
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Better agility and sprint times than the Joshes, 35 inch vert, same bench press results.
Grandad
September 27th, 2010
3:41 pm
To all those who [were/are/would be]
critical of my commentary toward MC:
He described it best.
He is a “dispassionate observer of the Hawks”.
We are passionate fans of the Hawks!
Therein lies the disconnect.
Proverbs 15:1-2
“A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge” [Proverbs 15:1-2]
*(This describes MC’s response to me)
Be completely humble and gentle; be patient. [Ephesians 4:2]
*(Mrs G-dad has high hopes for me)!
truthspitter
September 27th, 2010
3:46 pm
Michael Cunningham
September 27th, 2010
12:40 am
@truthspitter: “I can not find a good thing to say about Marvin as a basketball player. When you pick in the top 3 of a draft you should be looking for a franchise player and Marvin has never shown the ability to be a franchise player in Atlanta. So, to me, he is a bust.”
i think that ship sailed a while back. at this point, Marvin should be judged as a $7 million per year SF. he didn’t live up to that last season.
@Mike, I respect you as a human being but how can you tell someone else how something or someone should be judged? IMO, he should always be judged as a potential franchise player because that’s what he was initially pegged as. I think your sentiment for Marvin is basically what’s wrong with the city as a sports city. Marvin would have been ran out of town by now if this was really a sports city, check Philly, New York, Chicago and the other true sports cities that support there teams unconditionally. Tyrus Thomas is better than Marvin and is less of a failure but Chicago could not have a lottery pick so inconsistent around so they traded him because the fans would not put up with such. They don’t except less that’s how they continue to support. Marvin is a bust and the city of Atlanta is not calling him or the front office on it for keeping him around.
Grandad
September 27th, 2010
3:47 pm
Hmmmmmm
Which suggest to me that he [Marv] is [not] a perimeter player.
Imagine if you will;
Zaza playining the [3]?
Grandad
September 27th, 2010
3:51 pm
*Playining:
Zaza playin’ the [3] would be about as clumsy as me typining!
-OR-
Marv playining the [3], either one.
MsDee
September 27th, 2010
3:54 pm
In defense to MC,
Mz. Hawkdafied, ‘MC, since this is officially Bash MC Day. I just have two requests, that you please stop reminding us Hawks fans how much you really don’t care about the Hawks. And #2 please stop comparing us to Miami fans.’
He didnt voluntarily tell us he didnt care about the Hawks, he was asked about his passion about them and he responded. Just because we care cause we are fans doesnt mean he isnt doing his job because he doesnt care as much as us. Actually, I love how straight-forward he is with his knowledge and his accuracy of the Hawks, and if he informed us wrong, he acknowledges it immediately. I personally would rather have a beat writer who may not be as passionate about his job but delivers it correctly and on point than to have one who is TOO Opinionated with more opinions to give than facts!! Keep up the great job, MC!!
Grandad
September 27th, 2010
4:00 pm
doc *(from earlier)
*[period].
* Was not directed @ you.
* Nor was I attemptin’ to be a jackass @ your expense.
Now the jackass part (just comes natural) I can’t help that.
* Sorry it appeared that way.
dap01
September 27th, 2010
4:00 pm
MC: Give us you thoughts on Jamal’s comments today. Will he be traded before the year starts? Does Jamal have any leverage?
O'Brien
September 27th, 2010
4:05 pm
When Marvin worked out for BK and Woody, it was reported that he did not work out against other players, so basically, it was just him, taking shots and doing what he does with no-one on him.
No wonder BK and Woody were impressed. I dont understand why they would not want to see a guy who was a 6th man in college work out against other college players. Thanks BK.
Out of his 4 years in the league (I’m not including his rookie year), Marvin had 2 good seasons (including 14 and 6 the year before he signed his contract).
For whatever reason, he regressed last year. So this will be his opportunity to show who he really is. I just hope at the end of the year we are not hearing how Marvin had difficulty adjusting to a new system.
And I dont know what Rick Sund was thinking last year. Not only did he give Bibby 3 years guaranteed ., but in addition to not letting Marvin lest the market, he also gave Marvin a $7.5 mil player option . for a 5th year. SMH…
Hmmmmmm
September 27th, 2010
4:05 pm
For yall out there who aren’t with it
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pause
TheAntiMe
September 27th, 2010
4:07 pm
Marvin seems to be in his own little dream world. After 6 long years he is still far too inconsistent and definitely seems to be in denial about just how much of an underachiever that he really has been.
It’s clear to everyone (except for Marvin, apparently)that Marvin hasn’t produced offensively in a manner that one would expect from someone with his natural ability and really doesn’t seem to grasp the concept that the Hawks need him to get his head on straight and be a baller as the team has invested much more in him than he seems to have invested in the team. Some nights I really wonder if the guy even cares.
terrell
September 27th, 2010
4:10 pm
Does playing pickup games with friends make you a gym rat? Even if he is a gym rat or whatever, I cant tell.
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KevinM
September 27th, 2010
4:46 pm
“Astro Joe
September 27th, 2010
3:37 pm
KevinM, didn’t it take Josh Smith 6 years to learn that he shouldn’t take 3 pointers?”
Gotta agree with you AJ, unless of course, it becomes part of the motion offense. Now that Smoove has learned what he can’t do, what is Marvin doing that we know he shouldn’t be doing? OTTOMH, the main thing he shouldn’t do is just stand around on the perimeter and avoid the paint.
On another note, we go into Training Camp ‘10 ranked as the ESPN/Hollinger 14th top team in the league. Hey, we ended 10th….now for those that supported management’s every move, how is that an improvement? Are we supposed to sneak up on everyone this year?
doc
September 27th, 2010
4:50 pm
gdad, no offense, got too much respect nor do i take this stuff personal.
as far as impassioned, i dont need to read some cheerleader schmuck on this site giving me info. i like the straight style. geez, sekou was as impassioned as they came until he was bumped from an airplane then we heard how bad air travel was. i want a pro that cares about his work. MC meets the criteria.
if you want to hear a fan doing the job listen to buck belue play favs at 680. geez it is hard for him to criticize folks he knows like cmr and bobo. we also forget MC kind of sleeps, eats and travels with these guys. fine line there. if you want info he cant be pissing them off as he says they are trash. didnt someone get fired in san fran because a coach got too chippy when he asked some relevant questions.
come on there coach you played the game of hold info from the press even though it was small town stuff. you had a bit of honest protective paranoia going from time to time if people got to sniffing at the wrong time is my guess. otherwise why would the mrs be still watching out for your p’s and q’s?
Rod from College Park
September 27th, 2010
5:06 pm
Hmmmmm,
“H can barely walk without tripping, so to add dribbling and a defender to that makes it worse.”
13, 15, 14 and 10 ppg the last 4 yrs. And he can barely walk without tripping. Aight.
Are you saying he is not clumsy? Who on the teams falls more than him?
“He is one of the weakest guys I have ever seen at the NBA level.”
Then you never watch nba games. Except to watch marv during warmups I mean.
He is guarded by smaller weaker players, and can never take advantage of it strength wise. If he happens to be guarding a 4 they totally abuse him, and act like he is not even there.
“His balance and footwork is very bad. He is not ATHLETIC, he is tall and rangy.”
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Better agility and sprint times than the Joshes, 35 inch vert, same bench press results.
What does that have to do with him being athletic? YOu can have all the measurables that make you seem athletic, but if you trip and fall while you are running are you still athletic? He makes jumpshots all day long in warmups, does that mean that he makes them in the games?
drmaryb (*_*)
September 27th, 2010
5:12 pm
Ratty Tatt Tat!
dap01 asked MC this:
“MC: Give us you thoughts on Jamal’s comments today. Will he be traded before the year starts? Does Jamal have any leverage?”
Unbelievable!
1. dap01, how many times do we need MC thoughts on Jamal’s comments?
Why don’t you scroll down the Blog Roll List and take your pick
from all the articles with Jamal’s name in it!
2. Will he be traded before the season starts?
How on God’s green earth would the beat writer know this?
A better question is: Will you still be wearing “under – roos” by
the time training camp ends?
3. Does Jamal have any leverage?
What do you think? Aren’t NBA contracts fully guaranteed and binding?
If I were the Beat Writer? I would poke all the idiotic posters
In the eye with a Simon Cowell foam finger!
Go Figure!
Aye dap01! Stay on the Bus!
Ken Strickland
September 27th, 2010
5:16 pm
Offensively, only players with excellent one on one skills, like JJ, FMurray and JaCrawford, were able to instantly excel under Woodson’s very limited OFF system. And because of the limitations, lack of OFF options, and limited use of strategy, even they were throttled from time to time, especially during the playoffs.
Marvin is a stop and pop type of player, not a one on one that creates his own shot. And although he’s not very skilled at consistently beating his man off the dribble and finishing, he does have the ability to consistently draw fouls and get to the FT line when he does.
To hear some of you MARVIN BASHERS whine, one would think you actually want him to fail, so you can justify your preconceived notions and negative attitudes toward him. If Marvin can efficiently and consistently score in the 14-15PPG range, average around 6RPG and play solid DEF, which he’s already proven he can do, I’d certainly consider that a solid contribution, no matter how high he was drafted.
The way the motion OFF is structured, with its focus on attacking the basket, there will be far less emphasis on shooting 3’s. With him no longer being required to be a 3pt shooter, it should make it a lot easier for him to regain his shooting touch, shooting efficiency, and confidence in his shooting.
As long as he does what LDrew wants him to do, in the way he wants it done, and doesn’t hurt the team overall, I don’t give a good damn how he looks doing it. The thing I like about Marvin is if one facet of him gm is off, he has the ability to do something else to impact the gm. If he’s not getting it done on OFF, he’s demonstrated the ability to become a dominant rebounder. If his outside shooting is off, he’s demonstrated the ability to get to the FT line by driving to the basket. He’s also demonstrated the willingness and ability to take on a DEF challenge, like LJames.
What puzzles me most are these fans who insist they know with absolute certainty what Marvin can’t do, even though he’s actually done some of these things before. This yrs team is no longer MWoodson’s team, even though it will be comprised of 10 players from last yrs roster. Under LDrew, the OFF/DEF emphasis will be based on the overall team concept, rather than the individual talent, ability and performances of certain individual players, like in the past.
I SEE LDREW WORKING WONDERS WITH THIS TEAM, AND CERTAIN PLAYERS, AND BEING SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH TO BE A PRIME CONTENDER FOR COY HONORS.
GO HAWKS, AND GO LDREW!!!!!!!!!!
ClassicHawks
September 27th, 2010
5:18 pm
Hawks Needed to Trade for Carmelo! Marvin, Josh and whoever! The nuggets would jump in a heartbeat!
Mz. Hawkdafied
September 27th, 2010
5:40 pm
Ms.Dee,
Never said MC wasn’t doing his job. Go back and reread my comment and you will see for yourself.
Apparently you were so quick to jump to MC’s defense that you missed the message entirely.
This is a blog. Opinions are basically a big part of it. Nothing wrong with opinions mixed in with some facts. So I’ll take a beat writer who gives us facts but isn’t afraid to give his opinions as well.
He wasn’t afraid to tell us how he felt about the Hawks, so I’m not biting my tongue/keyboard in telling him how I feel about this Miami stuff.
GT Alum
September 27th, 2010
5:51 pm
Crawford says extension agreement before start of season “would be nice” More than once said “if I’m here moving forward”
Jamal Crawford at #Hawks media day on contract extension: “If it doesn’t work out we’ll cross that bridge when we get there
Well, Crawford doesn’t sound as adamant with his “sign me or trade me” demand as was reported. I think we might have a chance to see if he’s just playing nice for the time being or not, as I don’t see how the Hawks can re-sign him right now, and I don’t see them trading him now unless they get good value in return.
Rod from College Park
September 27th, 2010
5:52 pm
Ken Strickland,
You can’t have it both ways. He put up those great (LOL) numbers under Woody’s system. So you can’t turn around and blame it on Woody’s system, when he sucks. Josh played under the same system, and was able to thrive, and he was never an iso player. Horford did as well. When Bibby came to Atlanta, he was able to thrive, and he is not a one on one player. Anybody should be able to thrive in our offense when teams were strictly focused on stopping one player (Joe Johnson). That means other players will be left open, like Marvin Williams.
You say Marvin is a stop and pop player. I say, he has shown nothing on the court to prove that. He can’t hit wide open jumpers, so what has he done to show you that he can run thru screens, catch and shoot with a man in his face? If 10 and 5 is what you want from Marvin then we have no argument. If averaging around 8 ppg and 4 rebounds in the playoffs is what you want then there is no argument. I expect much more from a # 2 pick, and Rick Sund, said before te season that he did as well.
Michael Cunningham
September 27th, 2010
6:17 pm
@ Mz. Hawkdafied: “MC, since this is officially Bash MC Day. I just have two requests, that you please stop reminding us Hawks fans how much you really don’t care about the Hawks. And #2 please stop comparing us to Miami fans.
Why? Because it makes it seem as if you wish you were still covering the Miami Heat instead of our beloved Hawks. Quite frankly, it kinda annoys me a little.
Moving on. I would like to commend you on keeping us up to date or providing topics for discussion on a regular basis even though, at times, in all honesty, it seems that it bores you.”
ha . . . you should go back and look at my very first blog post when i talked about how lucky i felt to get this job. you should also check Twitter when, after The Decision, someone asked me if i still wished i covered the Heat. my response: “heck no!”
when i say i don’t care about the Hawks, i mean it doesn’t matter to me on a personal level if they win or lose. if you ask every NBA bear write the same question, i think it would be about 90 percent who feel the same. of course i care what happens with the team because it’s my job to chronicle it. i’m just not a fan, and really i don’t see why that is so controversial.
honestly, i don’t think i was the only one getting bored by the end of a long summer. we were rehashing many of the same topics. i’m glad camp is starting. but, in general, this job is anything but boring. i enjoy what i do. no one loves their job all the time but this is a good one.
cp
September 27th, 2010
6:29 pm
Lol@terrell . I was thinking the same thing. O’Brien it was also reported that Marvin couldnt finish his workouts because he was out of shape. The red flags were there but people bought into the hype. Even watching him at North Carolina I never understood why everyone thought he would be such a great player. He wasnt better than the other Williams starting in front of him in my opinion. The thing thats so frustrating about Marvin is that if he doesnt score then he doesnt do much else on the court. He doesnt clean the glass or play lock down d. He is pretty much on the court being invisible. A lot of other sf’s didnt have to work hard on the defensive end because Marvin didnt make them. It is what it is though. We have an average sf who still isnt as good as the guy he replaced, Al Harrington.
Najeh Davenpoop
September 27th, 2010
6:43 pm
“and i will say that compared to Miami Heat fans, you all have better perspective and knowledge as a group.”
Haha… no sh-t MC, of course we are better than Heat fans.
Najeh Davenpoop
September 27th, 2010
6:44 pm
“When Vick was jailed for dog fighting he was on the front page of the AJC. But when he starts and wins his first two starts in 3 years they don’t even write a story about him.”
You won’t find a bigger Vick fan than me, but to be fair, the Falcons’ big win yesterday certainly upstaged any other NFL news that would be relevant to the typical Atlanta sports fan.