Atlanta Hawks: With start of new season near, end to ‘10 still burns
Hawks say they remember what this felt like.
For the first part of this summer, everywhere Marvin went he got different variations of the same question.
What the heck happened to the Hawks in that series against the Magic?
“Early in the summer [he heard it] but, after a while, people started to get ready for football season, thankfully,” Marvin said today after informal workouts at Philips. “But, God, the first month, month-and-a-half, it was: ‘Yo, what happened?’ Dude, you were watching the games. You tell me what happened?”
The Magic beat down the Hawks in historical fashion, everybody saw it, and Hawks players know their reps took a major hit. After finishing third in the East and openly talking about a championship run, the Hawks folded in the face of adversity and eventually earned the wrath of their own fans.
True competitors with any sense of pride are not going to go out like that. Each time I’ve talked to L.D. he’s made it a point to say he believes the way last season ended will have a bearing on how players approach this season.
“We pretty much got embarrassed in the second round,” J.J. said the other day. “I am sure it won’t happen again.”
There are Hawks with lots to prove individually this season. Can Marvin be consistent? Can J.J. share the ball, deliver a strong postseason and live up to his contract? Will Smoove continue to mature? Can Teague take over the point? Can L.D. bring it all together?
But after what happened against the Magic, the Hawks have a lot to prove as a group, too. Critics, some of them internal, accused the Hawks of quitting. The lasting memory for the Hawks in 2009-10 wasn’t 53 Ws, 34-7 at home or No. 3 in the East, but how those significant accomplishments nearly faded into irrelevance after they meekly succumbed to the Magic.
“Honestly, me personally, it definitely doesn’t sit well with me,” J.J. said. “Coming into the season, I still think about that. I’m going to do whatever it takes to get over that hump. It did leave a bad taste in my mouth. I think it’s something we can bounce back from. We just have to be confident.”
With no major personnel additions this summer the Hawks are largely counting on improvement from the same group. There is plenty of external skepticism about whether that will be enough to put them over the top, and surely a lot of that is due to how last season ended.
“To lose the way you lose, it kind of sits in my stomach,” Marvin said. “To come out and play the way we played against Orlando—we lost by 20, 25 a night! We are better than that, man. I think the world knows we are better than that.
“Take nothing from Orlando, they are a great team. But the Atlanta Hawks are better than [losing by] 20 or 25 a night. That just kind of sits in your stomach all summer. I think guys look back at those last two [losing] playoff series, and we want to get better. So we’ve got to try to build. ”
Quick hits
– I don’t think the Hawks are hot to add a fifth center (and a 15th guaranteed contract) after re-signing Twin and getting Etan Thomas. So while the Hawks have talked to Erick Dampier’s rep it doesn’t look like he’s going to end up in Atlanta.
– Word is Jamal Crawford opted not to come to town early for his pre-camp physicals. All indications are that Crawford will report Monday as required. It will be interesting to see what he has to say about his contract situation on media day.
– I’m told Jordan Crawford has stood out during the informal runs at Philips. I caught the tail end of today’s session, where JC2 showed why he’s considered a natural scorer. Guys like that flourish in games like that. He’s not shy about pulling up for long jumpers, though I’m sure that instinct will be tempered once things get serious.
– In addition to Marvin and JC2, Bibby, Teague and Josh Powell also were at today’s run. So were free agent vets Stackhouse and Anthony Johnson.
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MC
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SteveW
September 21st, 2010
11:13 pm
Tony – I didn’t say I agreed with the article BTW. I think he did try to bring some facts in. And he’s not alone; another guy had us 7th, and another 6th. Almost all have the Bucks and Bulls ahead of us. And Hoopinion just trashed Pape Sy. They tried to be balanced, but in the end, just trashed him. We still are 1.423m below the luxury tax – we would need to use our Two Year or a portion of the MLE to sign Dampier – I say sign him, pay a couple mill. in luxury tax and send Collins to DLeague with Sy, if Sy goes to DLeague!.
Hmmm
September 21st, 2010
11:14 pm
Look what I Found hehehe DIRT
http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/los-angeles-lakers-josh-powell-custody-battle/
The video is whats most important
SteveW
September 21st, 2010
11:18 pm
I’m trying to find any ‘Xperts predictions that we will finish 3rd or higher – anybody seen one? I may have seen one 4th and one 5th. I think the Bucks may be worse than people think, because I don’t think Bogut comes back quickly from that elbow injury. But man, adding Gooden and Maggette, that’s pretty stout, with Skiles as coach also. Could you imagine 3 wings of Salmone, Maggette, and Redd? Their ready for some inside out basketball when Bogut comes back. Good, quick PG also.
Hmmm
September 21st, 2010
11:20 pm
My Favorite:
No Court for Kings’ Star MIke Bibby
The Associated Press
Published: December 13, 2005
SACRAMENTO—Prosecutors have declined to pursue criminal charges against Sacramento Kings guard Mike Bibby and his brother-in-law, fellow NBA player Eddie House, in cases related to two fights at Sacramento nightclubs.
A loose affiliation of Bibby friends calling themselves “Team Dime,” after Bibby’s uniform number 10, were involved in scuffles Sept. 2 and Sept. 12, but witness accounts are so conflicting that no charges are possible, Sacramento County District Attorney Jan Scully said in a letter to Sacramento police investigators.
The Sept. 2 incident at the Blue Cue involved Bibby’s sister, Charlsie House, who got into a scuffle with a group that had rented a limousine for a birthday celebration.
Members of the group became angry when they incorrectly thought Bibby gave them a “fake autograph,” according to the district attorney’s office. In the ensuing altercation, Charlsie House admitted throwing a few punches at women inside the limo before she was pulled away by her husband. Eddie House, a former King now with the Phoenix Suns, then began arguing with men from the group.
One woman in the limo group had a bump on her head, but witnesses could not positively identify who hit her, Scully said.
The Sept. 12 incident at the MoMo Lounge also was marked by conflicting reports. Scully called it “a classic bar fight” that broke out about 1 a.m.
An alleged victim said he was shoved from behind and punched in the face by Bibby, but Scully said there is “overwhelming” evidence that Bibby was not personally involved in the incident. The man suffered a broken nose, hairline fracture to his jaw, and cuts and bruises after he was beaten and kicked by numerous bar patrons. Bibby’s friends said the man started the fight.
“Many of the participants and witnesses had been drinking and partying for hours,” the district attorney wrote. “The confusion and inaccuracies inherent in such investigations are well-known.”http://www.sacunion.com/pages/sacramento/articles/7135/
Mike is back
September 22nd, 2010
12:56 am
MC, its interesting that JC2 is getting a lot pub…However, we were hearing the same thing about Teague last season. Everyone was talking about his quick first step to the rack. Scorer like JC2 are never destine for the PG position…I hope people can embrace the thought of both Teague and JC2 as heir apparent on the team…AND understand we need both guys to develop…and lets throw in Sy…for a honorable mention. These guys are our future.
As for as the Bigs…I think if nothing else…the personally of the Bigs…are a mark improvement from last season…save for Big Burger…of course…hard to motivate someone…when you report to camp…out of shape. Oh my bad…I forgot dude has slim down…great news…I’m over joyed…now if he can make it past the first quarter…without fouling out…he will be an improvement too. heh heh
No doubt, Ethan is the wild card in the bunch…but I think Powell will have a bigger impact than most predict…though I think his biggest impact will be his intangibles. I think his game is greater than his minutes. Dude got two rings…no way anyone on the Hawks team can scoff at that. Maybe just maybe…he become a calming present for Josh or a MOTIVATOR for JJ…hard to call that one.
In Thomas and Powell, you are looking at two guys that are sure to be more vocal…than the Bigs we’ve had in the past. If they step on some toes…I don’t really care…I just want someone to get Josh to understand…that he is blessed with talent that are afforded to few in the NBA…therefore he is charge with the task of becoming an ambassador for game…and challenge to give his all…whenever he steps on court…ala AL.
I think the same can be said for JJ…and to a curtain degree Marvin too…though Marvin has yet to prove that his talents and skills can rise above mediocrity…no doubt…the time is now FOR THIS CORE. There is presuppose for this team to actually over achieve…given gloomy cloud that is being cast over the upcoming season.
The crazy thing is I think that LD actually relish this opportunity…dude must know summin…he got me sold…I don’t know what I’m buying…but I want a piece of the action. lol
There you have it…the travails of a lowly Hawks fan…copy write…9/2010. daaaaaaaaaaaaang.
GO HAWK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
September 22nd, 2010
1:15 am
I have two “nits to pick”:
(1) It’s *[Etan]* Thomas ~~~> -not- Et[h]an!
(2) JC2 ain’t a point guard!
Please – there was no intention of offending anyone.
Najeh Davenpoop
September 22nd, 2010
1:26 am
“Look what I Found hehehe DIRT
http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/los-angeles-lakers-josh-powell-custody-battle/
The video is whats most important”
In honor of his shooting percentage, she should get 36% of his money.
northcyde
September 22nd, 2010
1:45 am
Adam Morrison has 2 rings too. Why don’t we bring him in?
If Josh Powell ends up playing any type of nightly role off the bench, something has gone terribly wrong with another player.
Everybod can’t play folks.
Let’s run through a few scenarios.
PF – Smoove ( 34 mins )
C – Horford ( 34 mins )
What does the above indicate? It indicates that Horford has to play all of his minutes at C, which means that there are only 14 mins left for the backups. Which means that something is seriously wrong with either Zaza or Etan, and Collins has no shot to see the floor. It does mean that Powell will have a chance to play decent minutes at PF . . . but Horford will play zero minutes at the 4
So your rotation on the frontline may look like this:
PF – Smoove ( 34 ) – Powell ( 14 )
C – Horford ( 34 ) – Zaza ( 8 ) – Thomas ( 6 )
northcyde
September 22nd, 2010
1:53 am
How about another one?
PF – Smoove ( 34 )
C – Horford ( 20 )
What does this indicate? This means that Drew can allocate 28 minutes to the big guys at center. It also means that you can play Horford some decent minutes at PF. In this scenario, Powell does not see the floor.
So your rotation may look like this:
PF – Smoove ( 34 ) – Horford ( 14 )
C – Horford ( 20 ) – Zaza ( 16 ) – Thomas ( 12 )
northcyde
September 22nd, 2010
2:33 am
The vast majority of NBA teams go 9 deep, with a few going 10 deep. If a team goes more than 10 deep, 3 things have happened:
- the team has gotten blown out, so coach empties the bench
- the team blew someone out, so the coach empties the bench
- or the team had multiple starters, and maybe even a few subs in foul trouble, forcing coach to go deep into his bench
That’s why I say that Drew needs at least 8 players he can count on, on a nightly basis to form his main rotation. The 9th guy, depending on the situation, will be a supplemental player, or key a key rotational player ( if he’s playing well )
The 10th man will be a spot minutes guy on most teams, unless he can prove on a nightly basis that he can make a positive contribution. But the 11th, and 12th guy? He’s probably not getting into the game unless it’s a blowout.
As MC pointed out earier in the blog, our top 9 guys are most likely Hoford – Smoove – Marvin – JJ – Bibby . . . with Jamal – Zaza – Teague – and Evans off the bench.
What you have left is Jordan, Sy, Thomas, Powell, and Collins fighting to either break into the top 9, or be that spot minutes 10th man ( similar to Teague’s minutes last year ).
So the question is . . . can any of those guys break into the top 9, or take 1/2 of a player’s minutes in the top 9? And who will consistently play well enough, to get those spot minutes as the 10th guy?
( shrugging shoulders )
Everybody can’t play folks.
Leon
September 22nd, 2010
5:00 am
@Northcyde
To answer your question in regards to whether any of the summer additions could crack the top 9 spots on the roster, I would have to say that Jordan Crawford has the best shot at potential gaining consistent minutes in the rotation. My reasoning behind this is the fact that Crawford is not only the most seemingly hungry and aggressive of the 10th-15th roster spot players, but he’s also the most talented and most capable of being useful right away. Sy is obviously a long-term project who may spend his season in the D-League, so I don’t expect him to have a chance in the rotation unless he completely astonishes during training camp. As for Thomas and Collins, these guys will most likely be situational players more than rotation players. Collins will be used in instances similar to last year where he comes in temporary to guard extremely physical players using his “size” or due to foul trouble. I see Etan having a similar role, albeit a larger role than Collins, considering he brings some rebounding and athleticism to the table. Now, although there is no designated back-up PF this year to replace Joe Smith, you would think that Powell would be the most likely to crack the rotation; however, based upon LD’s comments regarding Al playing more PF than in previous years, I have a feelling that most of the minutes at PF will be split between Josh and Al, with Al and Zaza sharing the majority of the minutes at center. Thus, I doubt Powell will play any major minutes, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him at least see him play in most games.
Now, that leaves Jordan Crawford. Although the Hawks already have an overabundance of guards with Bibby, JJ, Jamal, Teague, and Mo, Crawford brings a valuable dimension to the team, similar to that of JJ and Jamal. He’s capable of creating his own shot and breaking down the defense, this is a skill that a lot of players of his type are able to carry through from college early on in their careers. This, in addition to his physical gifts of quickness and athleticism make him valuable not only offensively, but even defensively at times if he buys into the system. Most rookies are not very good defenders, but based on raw physical talent alone, I think he could potentially be more valuable on the defensive end than someone like bibby, and more valuable offensively than Mo Evans, even right now he’s probably a superior offensive player. I would be surprised to see him take some of Mo’s or Bibby’s minutes away, similar to way in which Jamal did last season. The Hawks would have a very quick and athletic line-up with Teague, Jordan Crawford, JJ, Josh and Al in the game at the same time, or potentially even Jordan Crawford, Jamal, JJ, Josh, and Al with JJ taking over more of the playmaking, considering there should be less responsibility on the PG in a motion-driven offense.
Now, clearly, my opinion is based mostly on observation and talent. There’s no guarantee that Crawford (Jordan) has as much upside as he seems to be leading people to believe, but if this guy is the real deal, I see him cracking the regular rotation over Sy, Powell, Thomas, and Collins, without a doubt.
MsDee
September 22nd, 2010
6:33 am
Diddo that, Leon!!
sam'l
September 22nd, 2010
7:36 am
Did Woodson get any job in the NBA? Don’t forget some of our star bloggers predicted he would be snapped up quickly.
I think Drew should show films of the Orlando series every day until the lesson sinks in. Apparently, it hasn’t.
.
Rev in Tampa
September 22nd, 2010
7:55 am
@Mike is back – ” Scorer like JC2 are never destine for the PG position”
I agree. This point has been made before on this blog, but some want to keep pushing JC2 into the point guard role since Teague did not turn out to be Chris Paul last year. This is from a newspaper article quoted on the previous blog, “The Princeton often requires two major players to run successfully: a pass-first point guard and a big man who can do anything he’s asked to do.”
JC2 is not a pass-first point guard. If JC2 sees significant time at point guard, then it means that the Hawks are not running the motion offense, which means that Drew’s plan is not being implemented. In other words, if JC2 is running the point guard, the Hawks have big problems that even transcend a lack of Teague’s development.
That being said, I believe the Hawks will run the Princeton offense successfully and thrive on offensively this season. It will give them a chance to showcase all that athleticism in a half-court offense. They will be fun to watch all game, rather than in just spurts.
jason
September 22nd, 2010
8:17 am
Give stackhouse a contract.
jason
September 22nd, 2010
8:19 am
ohh and i wouldn’t mind if we used our retro’s more just like the cavs.
StoneyG
September 22nd, 2010
8:19 am
I say we trade J.J. for Angel McCoughtry and we trade M.Bibby for Coco and Kelly Miller.
i_am_soulstar
September 22nd, 2010
8:50 am
Quality backup SF available for cheap and the Hawks won’t sign up. Are they trying to keep Mo Evans happy?
vava74
September 22nd, 2010
9:07 am
Rev,
Thanks for the props during the past few days!
wordsmithtom
September 22nd, 2010
9:10 am
Getting closer to camp. Interesting that JC2 is in the house turning heads while JC1 has decided to show at the deadline. Vet’s pref, but when you consider the young pup wants his job, and his desire for a new contract, seems he would have followed Bibby’s lead and gotten in some early work. I’m expecting him to have to honor his contract and will probably be a chip in midseason trade. But, if I were him, I’d have been an early show. Just sayin’.
Coaches can’t show film to these early shows…they can’t be involved at all in workouts. But, I’m sure they’ve given materials for the guys to preview. Everybody knows the young birds got their pants pulled down and a serious punishment administered. Now we see who gets up and decides to hit the bully in the nuts, and who runs and crys to mommy. Drew adding an edge guy like Van Exel tells me he has no time for mommy’s boys. Better bring the jocks and get ready to hit somebody. I know the 2 new bigs will hit somebody….
Astro Joe
September 22nd, 2010
9:20 am
Rev, Bibby ran a version of the Princeton offense in Sacramento. It requires a PG who is willing to start the offense by passing it to a teammate, which I think is a little different than a Steve Nash type “pass first” PG. So to the extent that the motion offense does not call for someone to dribble up the court and look for their own offense, yes, it requires someone willing to initiate the offense. Could JC2 eventually dribble up the floor and make he first pass to start the motion? It doesn’t seem like that would be an overly complicated thing to do. But I wouldn’t ask the rook to learn 2 positions in his first season of pro ball.
Moehawk
September 22nd, 2010
9:50 am
OMG! Is this all we have to report……..this is like reading DEJA VU. This franchise is a mess. Give us more than just what happened against the Magic…we all know….. they go 7 in first…again…and get swept in 2 again with your 120 million dollar mine with stats that a bench player could make. C’mon son! The same TEAM! I wont be watching them sike me out as they whup up on the sorrier teams in the league but cant beat the good ones.. heck they cant even beat the okay ones thats just at .500 Wanna challenge me…lets put up the season stats. Larry Drew???? Please tell me he is interim. I’m thru with this ownership group…not the team
Astro Joe
September 22nd, 2010
9:59 am
“heck they cant even beat the okay ones thats just at .500 Wanna challenge me…lets put up the season stats.”
Moehawk, you mean like going 4-0 against the Eastern Conference Champion Celtics? There record against winning teams was at least among the best 25-30% in the league last season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded/sort/gamesBehind
i_am_soulstar
September 22nd, 2010
10:18 am
Garret Siler signs with the Suns.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/college/asu/2010-09-21/former-jaguar-siler-sign-suns
Rev in Tampa
September 22nd, 2010
10:19 am
Moehawk, its the offseason…
i_am_soulstar
September 22nd, 2010
10:20 am
iler was the last player cut from Atlanta’s training camp last year. Atlanta and Miami were in the running for Siler, but the teams failed to close the deal. The Heat, after signing Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh, added four centers.
from the article:
The Hawks invited Siler to training camp, but the team refused to give him a guaranteed contract.
“I didn’t feel like dealing with that,” Siler said.
Rev in Tampa
September 22nd, 2010
10:37 am
Astro, I hear you on the pass first to initiate the offense. And in a motion offense the traditional positions do become more fluid. So I could see JC2 effectively bringing down the ball, starting the offense, and moving off the ball to catch for an open shot.
However, I don’t think that “pass first” is a job responsibility. It speaks more to the mindset. JC2’s mindset is to “score first” rather than “pass first”. For a motion offense to work there must be a throughgoing commitment to make the motion work. In other words, a scorer’s attention is going to be divided between “pass first/score first”. The point guard in a motion offense must have the mindset of “pass first/pass first.”
Mike is back
September 22nd, 2010
10:43 am
Grandad,
I know…but what’s the fun in that. Should know by now…I can’t write, or spell. lol
SteveW
September 22nd, 2010
10:51 am
JC2 did play PG at Indiana as a FR. And I think we’re kinda of hoping he develops into a Jamal Crawford type, who is not a pure PG, but plays it on occasion. It’s a 1st G off the bench type of thing. Regardless if your PG or SG comes out, he’s the 1st G off the bench and can play either position. Of course this year that role goes to JC1 unless something happens. Same with Lou Williams in Philly – per of 18.2 BTW – great 1st G off the bench type, can play either SG or PG.
I am surprised that some NBA draft services were touting JC2 as a SG/SF however. Even though he is only 6-4 205, his 4% body fat index must lead some NBA types to think he can play the 3 in a pinch. Interesting, maybe on occasion in a certain type of match-up, but I don’t see the dude guarding LeBron on a regular basis!
O'Brien
September 22nd, 2010
11:08 am
“I think it’s something we can bounce back from. We just have to be confident.” JJ .
Maybe I’m nit picking, but to me, JJ proves again he is not a good person for quotes. We just have to be confident?
How about ‘we just have to buy in to Coach Drew and his system’? How about ‘we just have to keep working hard, and trusting each other’?
How about ‘we just need to maximize our talent as a team? How about ‘we just need to play to our strengths’? How about ‘we need to force other teams to play our game’?
So many answers he could have come up with. But all we got was “We just have to be confident”.
vava74
September 22nd, 2010
11:19 am
SteveW,
I see 30ppg potential in Jordan: fluidity, shot range, fearless, mid air moves and touch around the rim (banks shots well).
However, that can easily turn out to be just a 8 or 9ppg for his career.
The Truth
September 22nd, 2010
11:20 am
Again I look at the Hawks roster and see something strange. Josh Smith is listed as a Guard-Forward. Maybe the guard part is just for defense purposes only because I can’t see Josh playing the guard position on offense. Even on defense, sometimes Josh has problems guarding smaller players. He’s at his best on help defense.
Mike is back
September 22nd, 2010
11:23 am
Rev in Tampa,
I concur…it will be great to see our young athletic Bigs incorporated into the offense with all the motion and screening. I’m looking forward to seeing how our guys respond in a structured offense…instead of all the free styling.
I just hope everyone buys in early on…that will make the transition go a lot smoother…no doubt…they will have their struggles. LD is face with a tall order…however, thus far…LD appears to be more than up to the test…dude got some swagg.
I’m excited Rev…I can’t wait to see these guys flying around.
SteveW
September 22nd, 2010
11:27 am
Unless injuries happen, or Jamal gets traded, I have no idea how JC2 gets more than 5 mpg this year.
Vava74 – I don’t see that potential – I do see Vinnie Johnson type potential however. He does look relentless on the court.
Astro Joe
September 22nd, 2010
11:32 am
Rev, I’m not sure that anyone is advocating to turn a late 1st round SG into the starting PG of a 50 win team in his rookie season (heaven knows I’m not). I think if you asked the average fan, they would not categorize Bibby nor Teague as “pass first”, yet our new head coach is employing a motion offense with those two players running the show. That says to me that while Jason Kidd did it in NJ, it could also be done by a player who isn’t likely to average 8+ assists/game. I would go so far as to say that offensive schemes like the motion or triangle allow you to do more without a HOF-level PG, becasue you shift play-making responsibilities from a single “QB” to all 5 players on the floor. In Sacramento (as an example), Divac and C-Web were often the assist men in that offense… allowing Bibby to optimize his shot-making skills. Could JC2 handle such responsibilities for 12-15 minutes a game in another 2-3 years? It doesn’t seem impossible (to me).
Rev in Tampa
September 22nd, 2010
11:32 am
Vinnie Johnson – The Microwave! I loved watching the Pistons just to see him come off the bench and heat it up INSTANTLY.
Rev in Tampa
September 22nd, 2010
11:52 am
Astro Joe, within the parameters of 12-15 minutes a game in another 2-3 years, and given the fluidity of the motion offense, I don’t see how I can disagree with you. After re-reading your posts I see I overlooked your statement: “I wouldn’t ask the rook to learn 2 positions in his first season of pro ball.” That was my original point. Just because JC2 gets attention for standing out in the pre-camp pick-up games several bloggers start wanting to replace Teague with Jo. Crawford. It is mind-numbing.
SteveW
September 22nd, 2010
11:58 am
On our bigs rotation – If Al and Smoove average 34 mpg, and Smoove averages 5 mpg at SF (highly possible), you then have 33 mpg to divide between our bench bigs. I would assume ZaZa is going to get 16 or so of those minutes. 17 mpg is left to divide between Etan and Josh Powell, with Etan being sat every 3rd game to keep Collins fresh and playing some. I see something like that happening. I do see us going 11 deep most nights. Maybe even 12 trying to play JC2 some.
I see us defenitely playing JJ, Smoove, Al, Jamal, Marvin, Mo’, Teague, Bibby, ZaZa every night. That’s 9 deep right there. I would be shocked if Josh Powell and Etan/Collins didn’t at least get some minutes most nights as well. And with the need to develop JC2, and owner Gearon Jrs. comments on Teagues lack of playing time, and Drew knowing the owners want to develop younger players, I would guess he’ll get some minutes most games as well. We’re playing more of an uptempo game this year, so we’ll need the extra legs.
SteveW
September 22nd, 2010
11:59 am
As the season progresses, Bibby may be the odd man out with playing time….
JoJo the Godfather
September 22nd, 2010
12:14 pm
right on stevew…i wish we could dump bibby somewhere right now…package him with a 1st round pick and see if new york won’t offer something…they’re looking for a pick to trade for melo or rudy anyway…start teague and bring the crawford boys off the bench together…jamal at pg and jordan at sg…put big pape at the end of the bench, its not like we’ll need him anyway, we’re talking mario west minutes…bibby is just slowing down the process of developing (or weeding out) these young guards…we’re not winning it all this year anyway, might as well try to develop some talent…we can make the playoffs with or without bibby.
Grandad
September 22nd, 2010
12:33 pm
Mike is back
I’m sorry, I wasn’t even referring to you per se.
You just so happened to be the 116th Ethan !
cp
September 22nd, 2010
12:47 pm
Its great that Marvin is doing some good things off the court but the Hawks need him to put forth that kind of effort on the court. Marvin strikes me as the type who plays basketball because he can not because he loves or has a passion for the game. All summer I read about how guys like Horford, Josh, and Teague were working on their games. Marvin on the other hand didn’t seem to do much again this summer as far as trying to get better as a player. I think this is a make or break year for Marvin. He either steps up or I think he gets moved.
vava74
September 22nd, 2010
12:52 pm
don’t discard Bibby’s knowledge of the game and ability to knock down the open 3
he was a huge disappointment last year, however, I think he can be a very valuable commodity as the veteran PG off the bench
Astro Joe
September 22nd, 2010
12:57 pm
I’d put money on Bibby earning 24 minutes/game before I would put that same amount on Teague earning 24 minutes/game in the 2010-11 season. And that assumes we’re a 50-win team.
Grandad
September 22nd, 2010
12:59 pm
AJ @ 11:32 am is correct.
-But-
It appears LD has that concept in mind for ‘Paps’.
*[note] Motion off good fit for PS @ point.
-Also-
People tend to forget about the ‘Def’ end of the floor.
JC2 would have to defend the [1]. I’m not so sure he can
handle NBA pt guards defensively.
-Therefore-
I’m with ‘the Rev’ on this one. (The JC2 @ pt g debate)
JC2 – not a pt guard!
vava…..^…..above…..while extolling the virtues
of Jordo mentioned *fluidity. *[That one] I don’t see.
JC2 playin’ pt g would be very much like Rip Hamilton
playin’ pt g – why?
O'Brien
September 22nd, 2010
1:03 pm
cp,
Unless I misremembered, early in his career, Marvin himself said he does not watch much basketball. It’s one thing when a guy like Kobe says it, but when its a young player saying it, it gives me pause…
vava,
I think Bibby will look better this year, and be put in situations where he has a better chance at succeeding (depending on matchups, PT etc). I think he will earn his 24 mpg.
It will be interesting to see if Teague earns the other 24 mpg, or will it be split between Teague, Jamal and whoever else LD sees fit.
The Truth
September 22nd, 2010
1:07 pm
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Grandad
September 22nd, 2010
1:08 pm
cp
How do you know that Marv has not worked on his game?
[This summer]
Did he say, “I did not work on B-ball”
*[or]*
“I took a break from the game”?
JoJo the Godfather
September 22nd, 2010
1:11 pm
vava…are those traits of bibby’s more important to the team than developing young talent?…where does this team finish if bibby plays 15-20 minutes a game vs. jordan crawford playing those 15-20 minutes a game?…i don’t think there’s much of an impact one way or the other in the short term…long term, getting jordan meaningful minutes NOW could pay off with higher productivity in the next few years while he’s still on his rookie deal…plus, i like the idea of crawford & crawford off the bench, that’s a lot of firepower…if we can get both to start playing some D, even better…both are athletic enough, quick enough & long enough to play above avg D on the perimeter…i think it comes down to effort on that side of the ball.
Mike is back
September 22nd, 2010
1:14 pm
SteveW, what’s up bro. First off…I’m not big on stats…stats can be misleading. I could go on and on giving examples…than I would have to go rely on stats too. lol
I was strictly referring to Powell’s intangibles…and stirring the pot a little. My point was…if Powell was such a great motivator for Koby…maybe just maybe…he could have a positive influence on JJ and Smoove…same for Etan with his mental toughness. These are good guys…even in limited minutes…I think they will be good for the team.
And who dares to insult THE GREAT MJ…by mentioning one of his prize draft picks on this board…KB and Morrison…daaaaaaaaaang MJ. heh heh