Atlanta Hawks: With start of new season near, end to ‘10 still burns

Hawks say they remember what this felt like.

Hawks say they remember what this felt like.

For the first part of this summer, everywhere Marvin went he got different variations of the same question.

What the heck happened to the Hawks in that series against the Magic?

“Early in the summer [he heard it] but, after a while, people started to get ready for football season, thankfully,” Marvin said today after informal workouts at Philips. “But, God, the first month, month-and-a-half, it was: ‘Yo, what happened?’ Dude, you were watching the games. You tell me what happened?”

The Magic beat down the Hawks in historical fashion, everybody saw it, and Hawks players know their reps took a major hit. After finishing third in the East and openly talking about a championship run, the Hawks folded in the face of adversity and eventually earned the wrath of their own fans.

True competitors with any sense of pride are not going to go out like that. Each time I’ve talked to L.D. he’s made it a point to say he believes the way last season ended will have a bearing on how players approach this season.

“We pretty much got embarrassed in the second round,” J.J. said the other day. “I am sure it won’t happen again.”

There are Hawks with lots to prove individually this season. Can Marvin be consistent? Can J.J. share the ball, deliver a strong postseason and live up to his contract? Will Smoove continue to mature? Can Teague take over the point? Can L.D. bring it all together?

But after what happened against the Magic, the Hawks have a lot to prove as a group, too. Critics, some of them internal, accused the Hawks of quitting. The lasting memory for the Hawks in 2009-10 wasn’t 53 Ws, 34-7 at home or No. 3 in the East, but how those significant accomplishments nearly faded into irrelevance after they meekly succumbed to the Magic.

“Honestly, me personally, it definitely doesn’t sit well with me,” J.J. said. “Coming into the season, I still think about that. I’m going to do whatever it takes to get over that hump. It did leave a bad taste in my mouth. I think it’s something we can bounce back from. We just have to be confident.”

With no major personnel additions this summer the Hawks are largely counting on improvement from the same group. There is plenty of external skepticism about whether that will be enough to put them over the top, and surely a lot of that is due to how last season ended.

“To lose the way you lose, it kind of sits in my stomach,” Marvin said. “To come out and play the way we played against Orlando—we lost by 20, 25 a night! We are better than that, man. I think the world knows we are better than that.

“Take nothing from Orlando, they are a great team. But the Atlanta Hawks are better than [losing by] 20 or 25 a night. That just kind of sits in your stomach all summer. I think guys look back at those last two [losing] playoff series, and we want to get better. So we’ve got to try to build. ”

Quick hits

– I don’t think the Hawks are hot to add a fifth center (and a 15th guaranteed contract) after re-signing Twin and getting Etan Thomas. So while the Hawks have talked to Erick Dampier’s rep it doesn’t look like he’s going to end up in Atlanta.

– Word is Jamal Crawford opted not to come to town early for his pre-camp physicals. All indications are that Crawford will report Monday as required. It will be interesting to see what he has to say about his contract situation on media day.

– I’m told Jordan Crawford has stood out during the informal runs at Philips. I caught the tail end of today’s session, where JC2 showed why he’s considered a natural scorer. Guys like that flourish in games like that. He’s not shy about pulling up for long jumpers, though I’m sure that instinct will be tempered once things get serious.

– In addition to Marvin and JC2, Bibby, Teague and Josh Powell also were at today’s run. So were free agent vets Stackhouse and Anthony Johnson.

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MC

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jason

September 25th, 2010
3:08 pm

jason

September 25th, 2010
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jason

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Ken Strickland

September 25th, 2010
3:43 pm

GRANDAD-I don’t think Jamal will have a negative affect this team. After all, even though several of our key players stopped giving 100%, and all but quit during the playoffs, the same 10 players we’re bringing back still managed to overcome all of the distractions and ill feelings to post 53 wins, get the 3rd seed and make it to the 2nd rd.

TRUTH-I have to agree with everything you said, and I loved your analogy of Bibby, DEAD MAN WALKING. I think LDrew and his coaching staff, along with his teammates, have seen enough during training camp, exhibition season, during gms and regular season practice, to know Teague is capable of getting the job done. He just has to get past the psychological aspect of what it takes, as well as develop consistency and put it all together.

LDrew is certainly going to give him every opportunity and all of the encouragement he needs to get it done. At this point, he’s like a player coming off a serious knee injury. Although he still has the same skill and athletic ability he had before his injury, and has been cleared by the doctors, he has to get past the psychological and mental part. He has to learn to trust his leg again.

I remember how(I believe it was Sekou)raved about his speed, quickness and midrange gm all during training camp and exhibition season, when he got consistent mins. Then, when the season started, all we heard after that were negative comments about his jump shot, turnovers, lack of maturity etc.

If Teague gives us double digit scoring, plays good DEF, penetrates and dishes, creates easier scoring opportunities and/or causes more fouls, it will be a tremendous improvement at the PG position. Although he will likely have more turnovers than Bibby, his ability to penetrate and dish, and create easier scoring opportunities, will reduce the turnover rate of turnover prone players like Marvin, Smoove and Zaza, as well as improve their shooting %.

It seems when it comes to Bibby, some of our fans focus almost exclusively on what he does well, and ignores the many areas in which he’s a total liability. On the other hand, when it comes to Teague, they focus almost exclusively on the things they perceive he doesn’t do well, while ignoring all of the things he does do well. WHERE’S THE LOGIC?

truthspitter

September 25th, 2010
5:24 pm

Sund is a horrible GM. He should be fired immediately. The guy said in public he does not know how to use the internet. That is the most ignorant and incompetent thing I have ever heard.

truthspitter

September 25th, 2010
5:33 pm

Another thing to consider is that Al and Jamal have the same agent and they both will be FA’s this summer. Furthermore, Noah is looking for 5 year $70 million and may settle for 5 year $65 because he likes Chicago and situation. Can you say that Al really likes playing out of position and seeing very few fans in the stands at home on a nightly basis? I doubt he likes it enough to settle for less. As I said before Al will most likely want 5 year $80 and his agent will not be nice considering they are not treating his other client Jamal nice. Sund really needs to get off of his sorry arse and get some work done. October is approaching. He claims he does not do contracts in season and the offseason is basically over. Soon is one of the worst GM’s going.