Atlanta Hawks: Pape Sy in the fold (Update: Sy and Sund comments)

It’s finally official: Pape Sy, Atlanta’s second-round draft pick in June, has signed with the Hawks after securing a buyout from French club Le Havre. Sy’s three-year contract is fully guaranteed for 2010-11 at the rookie minimum of $473,604.

It should be noted that for all the heat ASG takes for the perception that they clutch their wallets too tightly, it is believed the Hawks contributed about $125,000 on top of the salary to buy out the contract of a long-term prospect. You can tell L.D. is really high on Sy, so the Hawks spent some cash to get him over here now so they can start developing him.

“We sat down with [the owners] and told them we saw [Sy] in Summer League and we liked him and we wanted to get him in here as a developmental guy for the future,” Rick Sund said today at Philips. “We talked about the buyout, and they had no problem with that.”

It’s a good personal story for Sy, 22, who paid his own way to work out for the Hawks and was virtually unknown in scouting circles when Atlanta drafted him. He said he never lost faith that he’d end up with the Hawks this season even as negotiations with Le Havre dragged on for weeks.

“I am very proud,” Sy said. “It means a lot for me. I really want to play with them and win with them.”

Sy, 6-7, projects as a point guard for the Hawks. Unless injuries hit the Hawks, Sy most likely won’t earn minutes this season. But the Hawks believe he can better develop by practicing with the team and perhaps spending some time in the D-League rather than play another year for Le Havre, where he averaged 14 minutes per game last season.

Sund said the Hawks most likely will stick with 14 players for training camp since the roster is set and they want to get in as much work as possible for young players Teague, Jordan Crawford and Sy. Camp opens Sept. 28.

MC

347 comments Add your comment

O'Brien

September 15th, 2010
9:54 pm

And props to the Dream. They played Seattle tough on the road both games, something the Hawks know nothing about.

It’s hard to imagine how the dream went from 4-30 in their first year, to the WNBA finals in their third year.

PD

September 15th, 2010
10:14 pm

MC,

Don’t you find it interesting that the Hawks are willing to take on a project guard but were very unwilling to take on a project big man in the draft? They could have had a developmental big in Solomon Alabi or Hassan Whiteside 2 7-footers. I hope Drew and Sund are not in love with guards the same way Woody and Knight were in love 6′9″ forwards.

Is this becoming the trend for this team by signing rental big men every season?

Najeh Davenpoop

September 15th, 2010
10:29 pm

“And props to the Dream. They played Seattle tough on the road both games, something the Hawks know nothing about.”

Something that nobody else in Atlanta knows anything about either.

niremetal

September 15th, 2010
10:43 pm

I’m not a fan of this move. Let the man play higher-level ball in Europe for a year before you bring him over to rot on an NBA bench. Even the D-League is a lower quality of competition than he’d face in Le Havre.

Also, this could come back to bite us in the butt if:
1) February rolls around, and we are short a couple people at a position of need; and/or
2) February rolls around, and a good player hits the waiver wire…

…and can’t make a move we otherwise would have because signing Sy took us too close to the tax line or took up a needed roster spot. That’s not just a theoretical possibility. There’s always at least a couple teams every year facing multiple injuries during the stretch run, and there’s always a couple nice pieces that hit the waiver wire around the time of the trade deadline.

Something tells me Sy won’t see the floor here this year. So why is the team paying to haul his butt around the States to sit on the bench when we could have just let him get more experience in Europe for a year without the team having to pay a dime?

KevinM

September 15th, 2010
10:45 pm

Bertie, say what you want, JC1 is IMO a part of the core. He is the 1st player off the bench and one who regularly sees the 4th quarter.
I don’t think anyone has commented on whether JC1 will get an extension. Personally, I think it boils down to whether Sund can move other pieces to keep JC1 as our 6th man at a cheaper price.
JC1 is as big as part of this core as much as Bibby IMO. I would be surprised to see Sund weaken this roster even more by moving JC1. He is a proven commodity, unlike the bulk of the bench that has been assembled.

niremetal

September 15th, 2010
10:47 pm

And Jeje – you do realize that having multiple owners does not work the same way as splitting the bill at Dave and Busters, right? No? Nevermind.

ray

September 15th, 2010
11:10 pm

Clearly, a championship move. You are right, MC, these guys (ASG) aren’t cheap, just, uh, shrewd. They were waiting to get a real impact player and when they found one who averaged 14 minutes in that brutal French league, they pounced.
I am tasting the champagne already. Sorry, Kobe.

rusty

September 15th, 2010
11:11 pm

letting jc go will be very stupid,so they will do it

JeJe

September 15th, 2010
11:13 pm

niremetal,

The reason there are multiple owners is because none is wealthy enough to own the team. So cumulatively their net worth should equal that of a solo owner. This isn’t rocket science.

northcyde

September 15th, 2010
11:18 pm

I guess the Pape Sy signing wasn’t a good PR move, huh Najeh?

LOL . . our hardcore base are 50/50 for or against it, and our casual base have no idea who Pape Sy is. Too bad the ASG couldn’t have shocked the world, and signed Allen Iverson ( regardless if he’s a good fit or not ). I wonder how that would’ve played out with the die-hards and the casuals?

A great collection of posts by you yesterday Najeh. But let me present this scenario to you.

What if the Hawks start out 14 – 4 ( including a win vs Orlando ) to begin the season? Does that change the perception of anything around here?

Because at the end of the day, it’s not about what ownership has done during the offseason, it’s about what the team is doing out on the court during that time.

Does a 14 – 4 start with a win over Orlando, change the fan apathy in ATL? Does the lack of a superstar, or uncertainty that this is a championship team, prevent fans from really supporting this team, even if we get out to another great start?

Najeh Davenpoop

September 15th, 2010
11:28 pm

“What if the Hawks start out 14 – 4 ( including a win vs Orlando ) to begin the season? Does that change the perception of anything around here?”

Didn’t they get off to a great start last year? If I’m not mistaken, they were #1 in ESPN’s power rankings three or four weeks into the season.

Beating Miami and Orlando will go a long way towards getting people’s attention.

Big Ray

September 15th, 2010
11:29 pm

My guess is that the acquisition of Pape Sy is more about the apparent new committment to developing young talent, and the trust that the organization is willing to put in Larry Drew.

If not, then I have no explanation whatsoever, considering all the other foreign 2nd round picks of recent drafts have not made the team. David Andersen? Nope. Cenk Aykol? Forget it. Sergei Gladyr? Maybe next year…or maybe not.

I say give Drew this one, and see what he and his staff can do with him. And from what I’ve seen from Sy, he’ll put in the work and become a useful player at some point. Perhaps sooner than many of us know-it-all types can imagine. You never know. But no, I’m not expecting to see a world-beater.

I am encouraged to an extent, that this organization would finally see fit to involve themselves in player development.

As for those who think Sy can’t play pg because of his height. Penny Hardaway and Shaun Livingston missed that memo. Is their a height limit on point guards? Nope, but there is such thing as taking an established SG who is capable of playing SF, and trying to make him into a PG. That’s what Billy Knight tried to do with Joe Johnson, and that’s just one reason why it was stupid as heck to even try.

Having said that, it may not be Sy’s best position. I too, see him as a SG who can play some SF. But I’m no expert, and I figure Drew and his staff will work with the kid and see what works best.

Another thing I find funny. Some people will be quick to tell you that the team he played for in France is not a very strong team. Well then why the devil do you want him to stay over there and continue to get 14 mpg with a team that isn’t all that great? He might be getting that little bit of playing time because his team doesn’t even know what position suits him best. You never know. Why not let him play over here with the guys who actually play against NBA competition, and practice against NBA competition?

What is there to gain with him playing over there, NOT developing an NBA game? Just asking…

Najeh Davenpoop

September 15th, 2010
11:32 pm

“Also, this could come back to bite us in the butt if:
1) February rolls around, and we are short a couple people at a position of need; and/or
2) February rolls around, and a good player hits the waiver wire…

…and can’t make a move we otherwise would have because signing Sy took us too close to the tax line or took up a needed roster spot.”

Since you know more about the cap than most of us here, could you elaborate on exactly how a D-League player affects a) cap space and b) roster space? If Sy is in the D-League, does he count against the 15 player limit and does his salary count against the cap? Who is even responsible for paying his salary (as a second round pick) — the big league club or the D-League team?

JeJe

September 15th, 2010
11:48 pm

Who cares if we start 14-4? We are the 6th best team in the East, and that’s with Milwaukee missing Michael Redd.

This team has no shot of competing with this roster as present

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)

September 16th, 2010
12:00 am

FIRE MIKE BIBBY

lgwest

September 16th, 2010
12:34 am

DAMPIER, DID WANT TO PLAY IN ATLANTA IN HIS PRIME, WHY WOULD WE WANT HIM NOW?

MsDee

September 16th, 2010
1:09 am

I LOVE Pape SY!! I cant give u a basketball reason why just yet cause he hasnt played a single NBA game but I do love his swagg. He definely has a swagg about him and I am so looking forward to him playing & being productive for us. I know MC said that he is here to be a developmental piece for the team right now, but I truely HOPE he comes out the gate in pre-season doing any and all things possible to be highly recognized to get in the regular rotation THIS SEASON. And I know Larry Drew will not be like Woody and just send him to the D-league just because he is a rookie if he has proven he should be with the team on game nights. I will be the 1st fan to go out and buy his jersey..on the back says “SY”..I love it!!

I know this is wishful thinking but this IS a blog, this is what us fans have been doing for years now!!

The Ayatollah

September 16th, 2010
1:55 am

“February rolls around, and we are short a couple people at a position of need; and/or
2) February rolls around, and a good player hits the waiver wire…”

This now begs the question of just what we suppose Sund and the 7 idiots will do if either of those situations comes to pass.

A good player hits the waiver wire – and what? The front office is going to sign him? I can count on one hand how many times that has happened in the last few years, and use no fingers to do it.

We’re a couple of spots short in a position of need in February. Why worry about February when the team is already starting the season a couple of spots short at a position of need. Marvin might still suck this season and Mo is too short and inconsistent to play small forward, so looks to me like there already is a position of need with no credible players to play it.

What happened last season when a player was needing to be signed. Oh that’s right, they let a young developmental player go in Hunter, and snatched up Mario West like he was butter for a new batch of biscuits. The problem is not signing a second round pick. That will not prevent the team from making a good or necessary move halfway through the season.

the problem is and continues to be the morons in the owner’s box and the guy they hired to run the team affairs.

cp

September 16th, 2010
2:12 am

Good post The Ayatollah… I was just about to ask when was the last time the Hawks even picked up a guy from the waiver wire because I cant think of one off the to of my head….Yea I hated waiving Hunter only to sign Mario when he brought nothing to the table yet Stack who was available wanted to play here…..They raved about Hunter all summer and he did look like he had improved only to drop him for Mario who hasn’t improved in any facet of the game since his Ga Tech days. Hunter might get plenty of minutes this year seeing how most of the Nuggets bigs are hurt. I hope he performs well. I always liked the kid. I still cant believe we chose Mario over Stack smh.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
2:23 am

Ms. Dee

Make that 2 SY-(see) Jerseys. I have never owned a Jersey, so that
will be a 1st. I’m more of a “fashionista” dresser.

Great comments Sista! Keep it coming!

I haven’t seen the tape/interview yet, but did you say Swagg?
I like swagger.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
2:35 am

Stack-House!

Get Jerry in here!
A high energy player who could definitely play in a motion offense.
And, provide scoring off the bench, a great attitude guy.
Why choose Mario over him and Hunter?

Go Figure

Great comments by cp. Nuff’ said.

northcyde

September 16th, 2010
2:37 am

Najeh . . . your 11:28 pm post kind of gets to the point of where I’m getting at. Because you’re exactly right. We did get off to a great start last year ( I believe it was a 11 – 4 start ). Did it move the needle?

No.

In fact, even the media ( national, local radio, and including the AJC ) didn’t do the coverage of that start justice. And when we went through that losing stretch between Christmas and just after New Year’s ( losers of 6 out of 8 ), fans and media alike couldn’t wait to bash that team . . . even though we were still something like 21 – 11 at the time.

That’s what has to change. The “give-up” nature of the fan base as soon as we go through a little trouble. That’s why a guy like JeJe says “who cares if we are 14 – 4″. But people would care if we were 8 – 10 . . because the hate around here would be unbearable.

But a 14 – 4 start would mean nothing, because we still couldn’t win a title?

We know that, for the most part, ownership is sorry. But if the team did what it did last regular season to begin the year, fans shouldn’t hold the ineptness of the ownership group against them, and not go support the team.

In that regard, the fans can do better . . because we all know that a superstar isn’t walking through that door to “save us”.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
2:44 am

Insomnia

Ms. Dee
I got a call from a elderly patient @ 1AM to pick her up
from the ER 55 miles up GA 400 … Can’t sleep now.
aaawwwhh man.

It will be interesting enough to see how Drew uses Sy
and the new guys on the daunted bench now.
I think he will use them to their strengths and keep the
starters fresh for the 4th quarters.

Lots of motion reminds me of players like:

Reggie Miller
Rod Strickland
Jeff Hornacek
Rip Hamilton
Ray Allen
Josh Childress

Type players. From the Hawks core? No one jumps out at me.
Maybe it will prove to be:

Sy
Jordan Crawford

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
2:50 am

Fan Advocate

northcyde

What’s your excuse for being awake way too early?
Mine is posted above.

The ASKG should hire you to Market this Hawks Team!
I have no idea if Arthur Triche – Marketing Director
even works for The Hawks still?

If so? The fact that IDK is even more telling.
But, you Sir?
Would have them stands packed to the roof.
No, seriously … I love your Passion for the Cause attitude and
relentless drive to get it done.

Can I get some of that?

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
2:54 am

Star Struck!

Northcyde

And, oh yeah … LeBron nor Kobe is walking through that door,
except to fill our stands and attempt to do damage in our Arena.

So, team? Pack your lunch and come & get it.

Say WIN on 3! 1 2 3 – WIN!

Najeh Davenpoop

September 16th, 2010
4:34 am

“In that regard, the fans can do better . . because we all know that a superstar isn’t walking through that door to “save us”.”

And this statement kinda gets to the point of where I’m getting at. There’s a clear-cut reason that we all know a superstar won’t walk through that door — because the DASG and Rick Sund inspire zero confidence that they can make that happen. There is at least one superstar who is openly on the trading block, and the track record of Hawks’ management shows that they will do nothing to bring that superstar to the ATL, even though all but one NBA champion in the history of the league had a legit superstar. Whether you think Carmelo Anthony will put the Hawks over the top or not, bringing him in would send a strong message to the fan base that the Hawks are not taking other teams’ moves lightly and are also interested in contending for a title. I would say even seriously trying would send a positive message, but I think Hawks fans are a little tired of empty promises at this point.

(For the record, I don’t count the Hawks’ “pursuit” of Shaq as “seriously trying”. I call that lip service.)

It’s one thing to try and fail to upgrade your roster, like Houston has done this summer — at least when you do that, you show your fan base that winning is a priority and that some other opportunity may come along in which the team will be more successful in its attempts to upgrade. It’s another thing entirely when you blatantly show with your actions that winning is secondary and saving money is key. Like it or not, every message that Hawks’ management sends to the public is a negative one. It is sad that good players — which the Hawks certainly have — should suffer the consequences of their bosses’ ineptitude in the form of low attendance, but at the same time it doesn’t make sense to expect consumers to spend on a company that is not committed to improving its product.

” We did get off to a great start last year ( I believe it was a 11 – 4 start ). Did it move the needle?

No.”

I didn’t address the following in my 11:28 post, but I should have. Atlanta has a long history of producing talented teams that are capable of making it to the playoffs only to fizzle out once they get there. The fans in our city are tired of that (which explains the Braves’ attendance fading in the final years of their division titles streak as they trotted out increasingly less talented rosters). I still stand by the idea that beating Miami and Orlando — decisively — will help attendance, but what the Hawks really need to do is prove the doubters wrong in the playoffs. The last two years, the Hawks have sleepwalked through first-round series against inferior teams, barely getting by on the strength of their talent, and then been absolutely crushed in the second round by superior teams. After looking like a promising, inspired team in 2008, they have treaded water and played about as uninspired as possible in the playoffs the last two seasons. Even if they win 70 games this year, if the playoffs play out the same way, attendance will if anything go down. They need to come out guns blazing in the playoffs and make even superior teams fight to the death to bring them down. THAT is what will bring back the spark that Philips Arena had in the spring of 2008.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 16th, 2010
4:37 am

And also, as O’Brien points out regularly, the Hawks are about as poorly marketed as any professional sports franchise in America. Smoove and Horford should be plastered all over the city the way Mike Vick was when he was here. Just getting more creative with marketing alone will do big things for attendance, especially against crappy teams.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 16th, 2010
4:43 am

Just so y’all know, the Hawks are not the only sports franchise out there that is playoff caliber, has a recent history of fizzling out in the playoffs, has projected an image of not being willing to spend money, and is having trouble selling tickets, especially to games featuring less-than-marquee opponents. There is nothing really unique about the Hawks’ situation.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 16th, 2010
4:50 am

Really, the similarities between the Chargers and the Hawks are striking.

Consistently good regular season record? Check

Flat playoff performances, especially against teams with inferior talent? Check

Key players unhappy with their contracts who are not getting contract extensions? Check

Popular perception that the ownership is cheap? Check

A history of prominent misfires on first-round picks? Check

Seeing a player they could have kept in 2005 ending up somewhere else and becoming a superstar? Check

Lack of fan confidence in the coaching staff? Check

And not surprisingly, they are suffering from the same attendance issues that the Hawks are.

MsDee

September 16th, 2010
5:59 am

Dr Mary,

Sorry took me soo long to respond back at cha..I work for At&t at night and had to run to different offices clearing troubles all night & I see you were out too on call!! When duty calls!!

Great, 2 Pape Sy fans sporting his jersey in the crowd, I’m sure, will make him happy. I just hope he BRING IT come pre-season..Oh and yeah, I should have said, I like his swagger!! LOL thx!!

Mike

September 16th, 2010
7:16 am

@MC:
“Sy, whose name is pronounced “Pop See,”

No, it’s “Pap See” with a “A” like in “black”, and not “Pop” like Popovitch

O'Brien

September 16th, 2010
8:05 am

Najeh,

Good point on the chargers. They are in danger of having a blackout for their game. The interesting thing about their coaching staff is despite his playoff failures, they gave norv Turner an extension even though he had 1 more year left on his deal.

PD,

I wish the hawks had drafted a big man prospect, rather than selling the pick. But they didn’t like the guys available, and its hard to turn down $3 mil.

dap01

September 16th, 2010
8:16 am

MC: Thanks for the update. One question, do you ever hear anyone associated with the Hawks speaking of a plan to get the Hawks to a “championship” level? Is there a master plan?

The only plan that I see is to keep putting the minimum into the team and hope lightning strikes and something magical happens so that we win a championship.

That does not sound like a great plan to me.

vava74

September 16th, 2010
8:17 am

jason

September 16th, 2010
8:20 am

i would love the trade for kapono and williams. Williams brings quickness and agressivness to this team. Kapono brings that 3 point shooting which he is deadky from. the only lace that would make sense is phillly

JSS

September 16th, 2010
8:40 am

Look, be realistic, the Hawks will never “move the needle” as far as the media (national and local) and even ticket buyers unless they make it out of the East! No more, definitely not anything less will even register because of their great failures and history. That means beating some teams who have championship cache.

Grandad

September 16th, 2010
8:52 am

For jason & others:
Any trade involving Jamal we must get value for value.
When you see a trade from (the outside) lots of times
they devalue our guys or don’t recognize our true needs.
Jamal to Philly only makes sense if Spencer Hawes is part
of the deal.

We should not let Jamal go unless we get value in return.
Lou Williams is a nice piece but he’s not Jamal.
Kapono is filler.
We cannot let JC1 get out of town for a bunch of pieces.
A talented Big would need to be included!

Guys – value what we have!

HoosierHawk

September 16th, 2010
9:08 am

I don’t like the idea of getting rid of Jamal, but I also don’t like the idea of an unhappy player who thrives in an ISO “jus lemme shoot” style when we are trying to implement an offense that involves everyone.

So I am assuming we HAVE to get rid of him. If that’s true:

What about J. Crawford for TJ Ford and Dante Jones on Indiana?

We get an expiring contract AND a PG that could be a starter if Bibby keeps declining and Teague doesnt step it up (I am not at all satisfied with PG on this team), AND Dante Jones, who is a lockdown defender at the 2 or 3. When he played for Denver, they would start him just to lock down Kobe in the playoffs.

Thoughts?

HoosierHawk

September 16th, 2010
9:10 am

Just realized that someone beat me to that haha. OOPs. But it does work on trade checker.

Fundamentals

September 16th, 2010
9:18 am

I keep dreamin Sy will be new Tayshaun Prince who can run PG for us. Maybe we’re overhyping the kid, but I’m very glad to see him here. Great to see LD trying to mold some young talent. Something we’ve begged to see for a long, long time! Good luck Sy. Welcome to ATL.

I can’t wait for preseason! I just can’t help but thing we’ve got some hungry guys coming in who have something to prove.

Grandad

September 16th, 2010
9:19 am

Awright!
We can all be negative or positive, half full, half empty,
seein’ through rose colored glasses, or completely pessimistic.
It don’t matter.

I stepped outside early this morn & felt it in the air.
Yessir, I even smelt it. It’ll burn off quickly enough
but it was there for a minute.
Basketball was in the Air – I told you I could feel it!

What is it? Two weeks away? ’til camp?
#3 son is already runnin’ the floor with his college team.
*[no coaches]

All the disectin’, bitchin’, carpin’, + trade speculation
by yours truly will be replaced by the actual sound of the
ball bouncing on the hardwood.

And guess what? Despite our shortcomings [cliche alert]
“hope springs eternal” because:
Defense can fuse the talent gap when there is one.
Teaguer, JJ, Paps, Josh -&- Al can and will defend.
Are there holes? – heck yeah!
In my opinion, A Big that can:
pass, defend the middle, shoot from the perimeter,
with a high B-ball IQ.
In the words of ‘Shooter’ from “Hoosiers”
“That oughta do it”

I love practice better than anything.
Wish I could watch.

Teezo

September 16th, 2010
9:30 am

I don’t understand ASG…Why buyout a player to let him play in the D-League…If Pape Sy has as much potential as they say, then they need to put him on the roster and give him minutes during the season, not playing against some D-Leaguers b/c only a small percentage of them guys are NBA material anyway, so that’s not facing NBA talent…

It’s pretty much like T. Splitter, everyone knew his potential but SAN would not buyout a player to put him in the NBADL, lol, it really defeats the purpose…Either play him to let him stay overseas…

These ASG dudes suck, the Hawks fan base will stay at a minimum until they learn how to manage a team, it seems that they are content on staying a mediocore squad or waiting until their “core” turns the page and becomes some dominant force…Them dudes have been in the league long enough, ASG should know what they have by now b/c I see what they have and it’s definately not enough to win a championship…Peace…

vava74

September 16th, 2010
9:32 am

Sy paid his own trip to ATL to workout for us.

He worked his butt off during the workouts since he did not come with any sense on “entitlement” which most college players have and knew that he had very little resume and background info (games, tapes, etc) to show for.

He came to the summer league and again worked well until he got injured.

He is hungry, determined and ecstatic to be here.

Apparently has all the physical tools to be an effective NBA player and already some of the technical tools.

His footage shows a guy with good fluidity for his size, reasonable ball handling and good shot mechanics.

I am very confident that he will be a rotational player in the NBA. When? Difficult to tell, but the above combination of mental determination and toughness with his physical and technical tools is an excellent head start.

KevinM

September 16th, 2010
9:47 am

Najeh said: “Just so y’all know, the Hawks are not the only sports franchise out there that is playoff caliber, has a recent history of fizzling out in the playoffs, has projected an image of not being willing to spend money, and is having trouble selling tickets, especially to games featuring less-than-marquee opponents. There is nothing really unique about the Hawks’ situation.”

Agree, there really isn’t anything unique about how the Hawks operate. I agree, 100%…that is why the Celtics and Lakers are the exception, not the norm…..why should we have to settle for the norm?
Just because we now can compete and win 50 games a year, perhaps that is enough.

I don’t think the ASG spends their money wisely, that’s all. I don’t expect them to throw money at just anyone. I just think they should never limit themselves to the public. That insinuates to people you aren’t serious about competing for a championship.

I don’t think now that San Antonio, Detroit and Houston have won multiple championships by just staying competitive. I know we are trying to follow the model of Detroit and SA by avoiding the cap but I don’t think we are built in the same manner. SA had very good PGs to lead them, as well as Detroit. They also had guys who are HOF candidates once their playing days are over.

We have decided to count on Joe to be our leader. I don’t believe Joe is even putting up any numbers to compete for HOF conversation.

We have what we have…..no changing that. There are just too many examples the ASG spews that has you questioning their motives.

I see we are interested in Dampier and we are mentioned as an option……..oh boy, we just keep trying to find a cheap answer to cover for what we don’t have…….the lineup still has that huge hole to fill.

i_am_soulstar

September 16th, 2010
9:53 am

And the small forward position remains unaddressed. Thanks for playing.

KevinM

September 16th, 2010
9:53 am

How many fans here are going to be ticked when Carmelo goes to New Jersey with the ASG not even in the running?
It sounds like the discussions are out there and I could only beg for the ASG to show ’some’ interest in a Top 3 SF in the league.

Dampier can be looked at later………

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
10:11 am

Baby Mamma Drama!

Report: Dwight Howard seeking 500M in damages from Baby Mamma

“By Larry Hartstein

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

NBA star Dwight Howard says in court papers the mother of his son has violated their court agreement so many times, she now should pay him $500 million in damages, TMZ.com is reporting.

The celebrity website says Howard is accusing Royce Reed of leaking stories to the media about him at least 11 times, in violation of a gag order. A representative for Reed, who stars on VH1’s “Basketball Wives,” countered that the information originated from  legal documents and thus does not violate the order, according to TMZ.com.

Howard, the Atlanta native and Orlando Magic center, and Reed, a former dancer for the Magic and Miami Heat, had a son, Braylon, in November 2007. They have battled over custody arrangements, her participation on the reality show and other issues. Howard’s contract with the Magic pays him $16.5 million a year.”

Now, isn’t there a Rookie Symposium held each year to warn
the players of such pitfalls?

Better yet, aren’t there NBA rules set by precedent that makes
it a violation to fraternize with the teams Dancers?
“Now, I ain’t saying she’s a Gold-Digger – cause’ she got needs.”
-kayne west-

But, has anyone every hear of condoms or the timing method of
“pulling – out” of your parking space?

I guess, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

At lest, Mr. Johnson avoided the employees of the Hawks Dance Team
in lieu of the Magic City – lawful variety. One, would have to
question Dwight’s decision making skills off the courts and
in the courts as well.

He can lead himself to a court battle, yes?
But can he lead a team on the basketball court to a Championship?

Having said that, I would welcome him to play for Atlanta and see!

I’m just wondering?
Does Dwight have what it takes to lead a team to The O’Brien
Trophy case?

KevinM

September 16th, 2010
10:14 am

DMB, good stuff….how can you follow that passion?

I just remember DW saying his goal in the NBA was to become the new logo of the NBA. I thought, yes, go to have goals, but I don’t think he is headed in that direction with news like that.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
10:15 am

* has anyone ever heard if condoms …”

-drmaryb Entertainment Reporter-

JeJe

September 16th, 2010
10:18 am

Why the hell would we be interested in Dampier? We’ve signed 8 bigs this summer. My God.