Atlanta Hawks: Their Crawford conundrum

Can the Hawks keep Crawford smiling?

Can the Hawks keep Crawford smiling?

Just two weeks until training camp, blog people, and all is quiet on the Hawks front. And under the circumstances, “quiet” really means: “Jamal Crawford and the Hawks might be headed for a showdown.”

As everyone knows, Crawford wants a contract extension for what he believes to be his market value or, failing that, a trade. He’s pushing for an extension both because of the past (his Sixth Man of the Year season) and the future (the looming specter of a new CBA).

The Hawks have contemplated Crawford’s request for going on two months now. But they seem reluctant to offer him a long-term contract because of the past (long-term deals for Bibby and Marvin last summer and J.J. this summer) and the future (possible contract extension for Al).

That brings us to the present. The best-case scenario for the Hawks would be for Crawford to report to camp and put the extension talk on the backburner with promises to take care of him later, no hard feelings. That way Atlanta gets Crawford doing his thing off the bench for another season and doesn’t have to add him now to its growing list of long-term financial obligations.

But you have to wonder how that would sit with Crawford. In his only public comments since word leaked of his pay-me-or-trade-me request, Crawford didn’t shoot down the stories and instead pointedly declined to even talk about playing for the Hawks in 2010-11.

That doesn’t sound like a guy who has any intention of backing off his request. Crawford would report to camp without the promise of an extension since there’s no real advantage for NBA players to hold out. He also would have incentive to put in another good year with a good team and hit free agency next summer with his value still high.

But Crawford also would see that he’s the only member of Atlanta’s proverbial “core” who isn’t under contract beyond 2010-11. Whether you think the Hawks should extend Jamal or not, we’ve all seen situations where players (or people, really) who don’t feel appreciated or respected by their organizations also aren’t as productive.

The fact that Crawford apparently is willing to play out the final year of his deal elsewhere suggests he fits into that category. Crawford’s “nice guy” public demeanor is what you get in private, too, but this, as they say, is business.

So this is the dilemma faced by the Hawks. They have the most leverage because they have Crawford under contract and are under no obligation to offer him an extension or trade him. The Hawks could tell Crawford they aren’t in position to meet his contract demands and don’t intend to trade him, and then hope Crawford’s desire to showcase for his next deal while playing for a winning team eventually will trump any hurt feelings.

But taking that stance could threaten the team’s chemistry and cohesion before the season even gets started. I don’t need to remind you that both of those things unraveled for the Hawks by the end of last season. L.D. already has a lot on his plate before adding a disgruntled sixth man to the list.

That’s not to say the Hawks will give in to keep Crawford happy but they obviously have to consider how not doing so could affect chemistry. You can see where both sides are coming from in this. Harder to see is the room for compromise if Crawford sticks with his demands and the Hawks stick with their fiscal plan.

The Hawks probably anticipated Crawford would seek an extension after he slid seamlessly into the sixth man role and turned in his best season. What they may not have foreseen was that the request would come with a “or trade me” addendum, which has led to this delicate dance as camp approaches.

Things are quiet for the Hawks right now but a storm could be brewing.

MC

332 comments Add your comment

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:30 pm

* post blogs in which shes preaching.

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:31 pm

Co-sign that Publix

4:30 pm !

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:32 pm

*Ms Dee can be harsh but not deceitful or malicious

Marfy is a dam devil~!

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:33 pm

mary is a devil

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:33 pm

if she could just come on here and be nice, talk ball and not pretend that she is Sekou and be involved in every single comment.

WE ALL KNOW YOU LOVE JJ, that’s great for you, go buy yourself a poster and do what you do.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:34 pm

I can’t believe that my Falcons couldn’t beat a thirds string QB.

#7 looked great up in Philly though

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:34 pm

She already attacking evolution and he just got here.

Blog of the Day

September 14th, 2010
4:35 pm

“Isn’t this clown Drmaryb supposed to be banned? Go eat !@#$.”

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:37 pm

She is just looking for attention. The more we talk about her, the better she feels.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:43 pm

She attacks everyone and anyone. Got forbid that someone agrees with her, then she pumps herself all up and tells everyone how she is bashing us, so on and on. It’s pretty amazing that what I would assume is an adult is so far behind and living in her own little world.

Jimbo

September 14th, 2010
4:43 pm

Dampier just got cut. Think we will make a realistic offer. Or does he go to Miami for the Vet minimum

ryan

September 14th, 2010
4:58 pm

Eric Dampier now a free agent if all Dampier fans want to know .

JoJo the Godfather

September 14th, 2010
4:59 pm

Jimbo…I don’t think the Hawks will make an offer because of our 14 roster spots filled (I’m including Sy), 6 bigs (Smith, Powell, Horford, Pachulia, Collins & Thomas),and roughly $1M left before the luxury tax…(Personally) I’d see if he would sign any deal cheaper than Za Za’s…If you could get him for around $3M a year for a couple years, then that’s good value…We could then flip Za Za to the Bucks for Delfino (SF depth & expiring contract).

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
5:00 pm

Surprise: Bobcats waive Erick Dampier

Erick Dampier (C) – Charlotte Bobcats

(Tue, Sep 14 – 4:09pm ET)

The Bobcats have waived Erick Dampier (and his non-guaranteed $13 million contract) after failing to find a suitable trade offer.
Dampier’s expiring contract was seen as a very desirable trade chip, but the Bobcats are close to the luxury tax and seem content saving money. The veteran center should have no shortage of suitors once he clears waivers.

Warriors agree on two-year deal w/ Amundson

Louis Amundson (F) – Golden State Warriors

(Mon, Sep 13 – 10:49am ET)

The Warriors have reportedly agreed with Louis Amundson on a two-year, $4.7 million contract.
The second year will be a player’s option, and this seems like a fair market-value deal for the blue-collar power forward. Anything can happen with the Warriors (especially while Don Nelson is coaching) but it’s unlikely that Amundson will have reliable fantasy value.
Source: Marc Spears via Twitter

Greg Oden may not be ready for opening night?

Greg Oden (C) – Portland Trail Blazers

(Mon, Sep 13 – 9:49am ET)

Trail Blazers GM Rich Cho said that Greg Oden (microfracture surgery) is running and healing well, but might not be cleared for basketball activities for a few more weeks.
“We’re going to ease him into it … maybe do some two-on-two or three-on-three,” Cho said. “We’re being cautious. The longer you wait for the bone to heal, the better.” It’s too early to tell, but Oden may miss part of the preseason and he’s not a lock to be available for opening night.
Source: Portland Tribune

Publix

September 14th, 2010
5:00 pm

we are not going to sign Dampier, I don’t see them spending any more money

truthspitter

September 14th, 2010
5:04 pm

Dampier is now free for anyone to sign. Now watch he got ride Miami’s sack like the rest of the world

northcyde

September 14th, 2010
5:21 pm

Etan better get used to that organ playing and 60% filled arenas on a Tuesday night. This ain’t OKC homie. This is ATL. And our fans aren’t giving anybody a standing ovation, unless it’s a Smoove breakaway dunk. But we may boo you in the 1st quarter of a playoff game.

While a select few fans will call the Hawks “quitters” and still are mad at JJ for his comments after Game 3, those same fans better take a little look in the mirror themselves. And the ownership needs to go into a Fun House, where there are nothing but mirrors.

If the fans expect the players to go “all out”, then the fans need to show that same commitment. And in the end, management must assume the brunt of the praise, or the blame.

While people will still remember the JJ comments, I’ll always remember about 3,000 fans walking out on the Hawks, just because the game went into OT vs Milwaukee.

In other words . . . EVERYBODY needs to step up more this year. The ownership . . the players . . the coaches . . and the fans.

shawn

September 14th, 2010
5:25 pm

He is under contract for another year. It is not like NFL where an athlete’s contract is not guaranteed. In conclusion, he should shut up and honor his contract.

Teezo

September 14th, 2010
5:28 pm

Stop trippin on what JJ said…What he said was very true and pretty much thrown outta context if you read the whole interview…He said he could care less if the fans showed up or what the fans think b/c THEY ALL (Hawks players) have to go out there and play no matter what…????Whats wrong with what he said????…He wasn’t bashing any fans or talking down on…Basically, he came to ATL when there were 4 fans at Phillips, lol and now ya’ll wanna complain, plzzzzzz…Appreciate what he has done and be grateful he didn’t leave us dry with nothing b/c without him this team crap…Peace…

KevinM

September 14th, 2010
6:09 pm

Publix, back on topic….
” have been saying for a while that the Hawks should trade JC1 for Hawes.

Hawes is no better than what we have…that is why Philly took Dalembert. We need defense in the post.

Or, we send JC1 and Zaza to Washington, they send Arenas to Portland, and Portland sends us Aldridge.”

Aldridge is a PF and then we would have Smoove, Al, Powell and Aldridge. It would kind of look like our SG position. Aldridge is worth more than Zaza& JC1, and Arenas is an enigma.

Northcyde, paying $$ for the same product really doesn’t enthuse me to take the trek down to Philips. I can see the core just fine from DirecTV. The fans are the ones held hostage here…..being forced to see the same product when the same product is 0 for 8 in Round 2 in the last 2 years. We can’t even win a home game.
The fans don’t have to back this organization’s idea of a team that should be competing for a championship. Personal preference of course.

I am for removing the stagnant GM we have and for realizing that the core may not be enough to finish 3rd in our own division.

Tell me, has Sund really exceeded the expectations of fans? This is the 1st year he has signed a 2nd round pick. The others? wasted.
I could go on and on……but I am going to try and let LD work the magic he will need to work.

jason

September 14th, 2010
6:29 pm

Bobcats waive Dampier, get below luxury tax

Posted Sep 14 2010 5:06PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Unable to swing a trade, the Charlotte Bobcats waived center Erick Dampier on

Sleepy

September 14th, 2010
7:36 pm

Do people seriously not know what a isolation play is but continue throwing the word around as if they do ?

We did not isolate Crawford we isolated JJ Crawford is basically our dedicated three point shooter and our bench scoring threat .When he comes in th e game we run a ton of pick and roll since when did the pick and roll become an isolation play ? Crawford does not hold the ball we do not clear out the area so he can go to work on his man . Hes a very good one on one player but that is not how we used. People know we isolate JJ and knows Crawford is a one on one player and just assume we isolated him too. He was 6th in the nba in 3pt attempts and 7th in makes.

I find it absolutely mindboggling that people are upset because Jamal wants to stay in ATL and they want to try and use him in some delusional fantasy to erase all the teams problems while apparently still starting Bibby and Marvin .

Im quite confident that we are gonna go out there with the same starting 5 as last year and kill the trade value of everyone on this team. Any move by this team that doesnt start with extracting Bibby or Marvin or both is basically a slow walk to the gas chamber .

So busy trying to stay average that we are basically gonna bumble our way right back to the bottom. .

rusty

September 14th, 2010
8:08 pm

northcyde why dont you just dunk your head in a bucket of ice water,it might clear out the cobwebs

rusty

September 14th, 2010
8:10 pm

sleepy you have a point

Blast

September 14th, 2010
8:27 pm

Love Jamal, but kinda disappointed in him for coming out public with his pay me or trade me demand. I thought he had more class than that. I understand where he is coming from, but he did commit to playing out his final year. He has no leverage in this case. The Hawks have an entire season or by trade deadline to do whatever they want with him.

Been telling you all about the Atlanta Dream all season. They lost by two with Angel out an entire quarter, the team experiencing finals jitters and not playing their best game. Seattle is in for a big fight. Game two tips off in about half an hour.

Go Dream!

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
8:41 pm

“That part sounds similar to the Hawks-Celtics series. Let’s be honest, OKC is a unique situation… a relatively new franchise and the only professional sports team in the city (actually, in the state). There’s a reason why the atmosphere is comparable to college sports… because that is the only other thing those fans know in Oklahoma. The other comparable markets are Salt Lake City and Portland.”

Fair enough that the Hawks-Celtics series was similar, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Sam Presti and Scott Brooks inspire a lot more confidence than Rick Sund and Mike Woodson (the jury is out on Larry Drew), and Kevin Durant is a much better and much more charismatic star than Joe Johnson.

I don’t buy the “only show in town” argument. The Jacksonville Jaguars are the only show in town in that city and barely anyone shows up to those games because they don’t have a superstar and don’t have really promising hope for being elite in the near future. Same with the Sacramento Kings — they drew well when they were elite, and nobody shows up now that they suck. Same with the Memphis Grizzlies — only show in town, nobody shows up. And on the flip side, the NBA city to which Atlanta best compares is Dallas (sprawling southern city, football is king, all 4 major sports, long commute times, poor public transportation) and yet the Mavericks consistently are in the top ten in the league in attendance. Why is that? Because they have a legit superstar and legit ownership, and whether the experts think so or not, they always put out a talented enough team that the fans think they have a realistic hope of contending for a title.

Swap Joe Johnson, Rick Sund, and Larry Drew for Kevin Durant, Sam Presti and Scott Brooks and the Hawks will instantly be top 5 in attendance while the Thunder will be playing in front of half full arenas.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
8:56 pm

“Didn’t I read somewhere that when Woody was here he was trying to get teams to match up to us instead of us matching their strengths?”

If Woody wanted other teams to adjust to the Hawks, he wouldn’t have had a team stacked with athletes but lacking a legit low post scorer play at the 4th slowest pace in the league. Either you read it wrong, Woody is a liar, or Woody is just not that good of a coach. I’m going with Option C.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:18 pm

“If the fans expect the players to go “all out”, then the fans need to show that same commitment. ”

I’ve called you out on this before, and I’ll do it again:

Nobody expects Waffle House to only make good food and not spit in it if every table is full. Waffle House is expected to serve good food regardless of how many people are there, and if they don’t, people won’t go.

Nobody expects Best Buy to sell you working computers only if the store is packed with customers. Best Buy is expected to sell working computers regardless of how many people are there, and if they don’t, people won’t go.

Nobody expects Comcast to provide quality cable service (not that they do, but that’s another story) only if a lot of people sign up for Comcast cable. Comcast is expected to provide quality cable regardless of how many people sign up for it, and if they don’t, people will choose other TV and Internet options.

This is how a free market works. Why should this be any different for the Hawks? Why should fans be expected to support a franchise whose owners are best known for a five-year-long court battle, who employed a coach for six years who refused to make adjustments and coach to the team’s strengths, who have passed up multiple opportunities to acquire a legitimate superstar in favor of acquiring mediocre talent, whose GM wastes no time giving out massive contract extensions to mediocre players but who tells good players to wait on their deals, and who have finished a six-year-long rebuilding process only to have a team that, while good, has no realistic chance of contending for a title? Why should casual fans be excited about a team that repeatedly claims that they “like their core”, the same core that has shown that it has no realistic chance of improving beyond its current level?

Atlanta fans may be fickle, but they are not stupid. Everyone can see that Oklahoma City took half the time the Hawks did to complete their rebuilding process, are already at the Hawks’ level, and still have a lot of room for growth, while the Hawks’ growth has stagnated. Everyone can see that other teams in the conference have made substantial upgrades to their roster (at least on paper) this summer — including the Bucks, who came into this summer without cap space — while the Hawks were content to trade away draft picks and overpay for D-League talent at the end of the bench. Everyone can see that other teams hired hot coaching prospects while the Hawks hired the cheapest guy available (not that I don’t like Drew, but I’m talking about public perception here). Nobody in this city has forgotten that the Hawks could have had Andre Iguodala or Al Jefferson instead of Josh Childress, Chris Paul or Deron Williams instead of Marvin, Brandon Roy or Rajon Rondo instead of Shelden. And quite frankly, nobody in this city has forgotten that the Hawks’ signature move of the offseason was Joe Johnson getting rewarded with a max contract after he led this team to the worst second-round playoff defeat in league history.

You can argue the merits of any of the decisions I mentioned above, but you can’t deny that all of them were bad from a public relations standpoint. And ultimately, public perception is what influences ticket sales. If the Hawks want to improve attendance, they need to show that they are committed to winning. Signing Shaq would have helped with that big time. Not selling their draft pick for cash would have helped with that big time. Not re-signing Collins and signing Powell would have helped with that big time. The fact is, when die-hard fans like us are disappointed with them, casual fans — who waaaaaay outnumber us — are going to tune them out. And really, other than Ken Strickland, drmaryb, and Rev in Tampa, are there any other real optimists on this blog regarding the Hawks’ offseason? If even most of us are disappointed, how can we expect casual fans to show up?

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:23 pm

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again — this team will show up to see a) teams that have a legitimate shot at a title, and/or b) a legitimate superstar. The Falcons had at least one of those while Vick was here, and they sold out every game. The Braves had both in the 90s, and they finished near the top in attendance every one of those years. The Hawks are good, but they have neither. A good business understands and meets its customers’ needs. The DASG is too busy suing each other and living in Boston and DC to have any clue what Atlanta fans actually want.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:24 pm

^^That was supposed to say “this CITY will show up to see…” etc.

Blast

September 14th, 2010
9:28 pm

Kevin Durant is the truth!

The OKC is my next favorite team after the Hawks.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:32 pm

In any city, for any franchise, when new ownership and/or a new GM takes over, the sports fan base tries to see how legit they are. The DASG gave the local sports fans a bad first impression and haven’t really made the necessarily splashes to recover from it. Really, there are only four moves they have ever made that were unequivocally positive from a PR standpoint: drafting Smoove, drafting Horford, trading for Bibby, and trading for Crawford. Even Joe has always fought the perception that he wasn’t worth what the Hawks were paying him and/or what the Hawks gave up for him, and the ownership battle definitely fuels that. And even Smoove has always been plagued with the (unfair in my opinion) stigma of being a malcontent. And even Bibby’s honeymoon wore off after a year when he became washed up. And even Crawford’s honeymoon has worn off with some people now that he has demanded a new deal.

Some of you will undoubtedly respond to this series of posts by saying “well they won 53 games”, “well they are in the playoffs”, etc. I’m not arguing the merits of any of their decisions (not that the majority of their decisions have been good ones anyway). I’m solely talking about PR, which is what gets a casual fan to pay for tickets. The DASG has consistently given the local sports fan base a bad impression during their entire tenure as owners of the Hawks.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:33 pm

“Kevin Durant is the truth!

The OKC is my next favorite team after the Hawks.”

Co-sign. KD is my favorite non-Hawk.

The Truth

September 14th, 2010
9:34 pm

Najeh, Nice post

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:35 pm

Bottom line — if the Hawks show they are committed to winning and committed to making the right decisions, fans will come. If they show that they are only committed to saving money and spending the minimum needed to get into the playoffs — which, like it or not, is the prevailing perception right now — fans will take the lead from them and save their money instead of spending it on the Hawks. Plain and simple.

The Truth

September 14th, 2010
9:36 pm

All these trade proposals for Jamal are really for fantasy basketball only. The reality is that Sund walks a very tight line between what is doable and what is not:

1) Why would a lottery-bound team trade for Jamal now when they can just wait until he’s a FA under a new CBA where his real market value will likely be adjusted downward? Why would these teams be interested in him now if they are planning more for the future rather then this season? Yes, they might want to dump a bad contract via a trade but why would the penny-pinching Sund be interested in acquiring that same bad contract? What’s in it for the Hawks? So, lottery-bound teams are likely not motivated to trade for him now.

2) Why would Sund trade Jamal to an eastern conference division playoff-bound team? Do we really want to play against a highly motivated Jamal in the playoff? Even if that is not the issue, I doubt the Hawks can find a trustworthy trading partner from an eastern rival. So, they are likely off the table as well

Sund only real option would involve trading Jamal to a playoff bound team in the western conference. With this scenario, the pickings are still slim since matching the needs and player contract value for both trading partners would have to perfectly fit to make sense. So, I don’t see many suitors in this group. Furthermore, since we are not going into luxury tax land, the trade would most likely involve a one-for-one expiring contract with draft picks incentives. With these limitations, a trade possibility may not even exist since Jamal is not really classified as an elite star player like Melo to justify giving us a 1st round draft pick just for the sake of a rental. The only realistic option is to extend him an agreeable contract and then trade him for an expiring of equal value plus incentives. If the Hawks could somehow find a motivated suitor under these conditions, then maybe the drama could end favorable but I doubt it.

I think Sund will take the easy road which is must traveled by him and replay his Flip Murray bait-and-switch routine which means Jamal rides out his current contract (in the ATL) and moves on. We shall see

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
9:48 pm

Heck, I thought I was 2nd, runnin’ right behind Ken Strickland.
I usually see the glass 2/3 full while wearing rose colored glasses.

Anyway, OKC has one advantage over us.
Besides the fact that their team is percieved as up-&-coming
while the Hawks are thought to have crested.
They are a “New Toy”.
OKC’s 1st pro team + their good, young, exciting and…
have the best young player in basketball.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
9:52 pm

Haha, sorry Grandad. Didn’t mean to leave you out.

I will say this — I predicted back in 2005 that in 2010 the Hawks would be the Atlanta team that is closest to a title, and considering how awful the Braves and Falcons look right now, I might still be right about that. (No disrespect to the Dream; I’m talking about the four major sports.)

brigadierjerry

September 14th, 2010
9:53 pm

nortclyde you make a good point about jamal crawford. If anyone thinks he is better than JJ is crazy. I have seen a lot of crawford being a knicks fan. He is the little girl with the curl sometimes good and sometimes bad. He is good in a limited situation as far as minutes but he isnt a starter I saw plenty of him starting for the Knicks he had good games and a 50 point game and some 40 point games but the team overall never did well. Jamal Crawford is no different than JR Smith and Vinnie Johnson or Nate Robinson. He is instant offense that is it. Jamal can always be replaced a player such as him

The bigger problem is that the Hawks best player is Joe Johnson who is a Second Tier guy. Horford is nice and Smith has a chance to be decent but they are third tier guys. The Hawks need to get another superstar even if it is a 2nd tier guy to really contend. I see Horford’s ceiling as an Antonio Davis type and Smith ceiling I see as a Lamar Odom.
I could see the Hawks trading Crawford and I can see a Crawford for Fernandez swap.

JeJe

September 14th, 2010
10:02 pm

Fundamentals,

I don’t have time for you idiots anymore. I know my opinions are right and you are not as smart as me about the team.

You lose.

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
10:03 pm

Sleepy

Take a nap.
Yes, Jamal ran Iso.
Yes, myself & others can recognize an Iso.
No, I don’t remember Wdsn running alot of P&R with him.
Actually more with Bibby.
As a matter of fact, our end of qtr play was;
Iso-Joe, Iso-Jamal, and before that Iso-Flip.
Fill in the name because that was Woody ball.

AND although I’m sure Jamal is a ‘dedicated’ 3 pt shooter,
Bibby was our ‘designated’ 3 pt shooter.

AND not alot of folks on this board wish for Marv or Bibby
to start or even play in some cases.
However, LD seems to have a plan in mind that involves them.
So he’s the only one who matters in that regard.

Oh well.
Have a nice nap.

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
10:06 pm

Najeh

Thanks – I thought I had turned into a pissamist.

dap01

September 14th, 2010
10:21 pm

The most consistant and most pressing problem is the Hawk’s management has always and will always do only the minimum, They aren’t pursuing a championship. They are turning over every rock to put together a championship team. They are doing the very least necessary to field a team.

JSS

September 14th, 2010
10:27 pm

@ Davenpoop…
The way our so-called big sports teams perform (especially under pressure), if I were the Dream, I’d come looking for an apology! ;-)
My goodness that Dream bunch are spunky! Down 7 on the road with a minute before the half and they claw and scratch back to within 2 in a :45 second span! Pure never give up in those ladies, they go down fighting!

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
10:27 pm

Najeh

“I predicted back in 2005 that in 2010 the Hawks
would be the Atlanta team that is closest to a title”

You know? It take a little luck as well.
My #3 son and I were standing in the liv. rm. on lottery night,
TV went to a commercial and when they came back,
he and I were pullin’ for 2nd place, we didn’t want Oden.
Well we got a pretty good consolation prize, [Al].
But, a ping pong ball goes another way & we get Durant.

Then you cannot be stupid either.
Not talkin’ about Marv.
Shelden Williams was the worst.
Plus Childress over Iguodala?

JSS

September 14th, 2010
10:33 pm

I do want to pay homage to other members of the FIBA WC Team USA. That was the most flexible lineup we’ve sent to a major championship since 1992 and 1986. I guess that idiot Colin Cowherd owes Lamar an apology! What a moron!

Mike is back

September 14th, 2010
10:50 pm

MC, I know I have been off the radar…when did LD add Nick Van Exel to his staff. Van Excel is old school…he should be great for Teague…good to see LD balance out his staff with some younger assistance that the players can identify with.

Drmaryb, whatzup…how the heck did Etan end up signing with in the Hawks after making that statement. I remember another young team being highly thought of after they push the eventual NBA Champs to game seven in the first round…now look at them…scraping trying to make it off of bottom feeders…it will be interesting to see how the guys respond to Etan.

Northcyde, as long as the ASG continue their frugal ways…and continue to be the poster child for ineptitude…don’t expect nothing different from the fans.

O'Brien

September 14th, 2010
11:04 pm

Najeh is on fire tonight. And I agree. The hawks have not done a good job marketing wise.

Given the way jj and the hawks fizzled in the playoffs, plus jj’s comments about not caring about the fans, but we gave him a Max contract, they should have had a press conference for jj to announce the signing and to give him a chance to bring some fans back.

Especially after his big mouth agent said he would help recruit players.

The ajc’s page at one time said “come on out to see your favorite team play the hawks”. What? We need better marketing (in addition to better front office decisions ).

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
11:11 pm

“My #3 son and I were standing in the liv. rm. on lottery night,
TV went to a commercial and when they came back,
he and I were pullin’ for 2nd place, we didn’t want Oden.
Well we got a pretty good consolation prize, [Al].
But, a ping pong ball goes another way & we get Durant.”

Of course, a ping pong ball goes another way and they end up with nothing. No Horford or Durant.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if they had ended up with the #4 and sent it to Phoenix (as they were obligated to do). With no Horford, they would have probably played Shelden at center that year, meaning they wouldn’t have been in playoff contention, meaning it’s quite possible that Billy and Woody would have both been fired after that year. What would have happened then? Another rebuilding effort? A Joe Johnson trade? Or would they have found a way to package the Lue/Johnson/Shelden combo for someone other than Bibby to complement Joe and Smoove?

Fundamentals

September 14th, 2010
11:37 pm

JeJe = Settle down buddy, just giving you crap cause the door was wide open. I just remember you anxious to blow this team up, wanting all these wholesale changes, but this summer I’ve heard nothing from you hardly. Don’t take it personal. I love to counter some of your points, I agree with alot of them. No reason to call folks idiots. We just need some real action to get things back going to argue to the trade deadline in Feb.