Atlanta Hawks: Their Crawford conundrum

Can the Hawks keep Crawford smiling?

Can the Hawks keep Crawford smiling?

Just two weeks until training camp, blog people, and all is quiet on the Hawks front. And under the circumstances, “quiet” really means: “Jamal Crawford and the Hawks might be headed for a showdown.”

As everyone knows, Crawford wants a contract extension for what he believes to be his market value or, failing that, a trade. He’s pushing for an extension both because of the past (his Sixth Man of the Year season) and the future (the looming specter of a new CBA).

The Hawks have contemplated Crawford’s request for going on two months now. But they seem reluctant to offer him a long-term contract because of the past (long-term deals for Bibby and Marvin last summer and J.J. this summer) and the future (possible contract extension for Al).

That brings us to the present. The best-case scenario for the Hawks would be for Crawford to report to camp and put the extension talk on the backburner with promises to take care of him later, no hard feelings. That way Atlanta gets Crawford doing his thing off the bench for another season and doesn’t have to add him now to its growing list of long-term financial obligations.

But you have to wonder how that would sit with Crawford. In his only public comments since word leaked of his pay-me-or-trade-me request, Crawford didn’t shoot down the stories and instead pointedly declined to even talk about playing for the Hawks in 2010-11.

That doesn’t sound like a guy who has any intention of backing off his request. Crawford would report to camp without the promise of an extension since there’s no real advantage for NBA players to hold out. He also would have incentive to put in another good year with a good team and hit free agency next summer with his value still high.

But Crawford also would see that he’s the only member of Atlanta’s proverbial “core” who isn’t under contract beyond 2010-11. Whether you think the Hawks should extend Jamal or not, we’ve all seen situations where players (or people, really) who don’t feel appreciated or respected by their organizations also aren’t as productive.

The fact that Crawford apparently is willing to play out the final year of his deal elsewhere suggests he fits into that category. Crawford’s “nice guy” public demeanor is what you get in private, too, but this, as they say, is business.

So this is the dilemma faced by the Hawks. They have the most leverage because they have Crawford under contract and are under no obligation to offer him an extension or trade him. The Hawks could tell Crawford they aren’t in position to meet his contract demands and don’t intend to trade him, and then hope Crawford’s desire to showcase for his next deal while playing for a winning team eventually will trump any hurt feelings.

But taking that stance could threaten the team’s chemistry and cohesion before the season even gets started. I don’t need to remind you that both of those things unraveled for the Hawks by the end of last season. L.D. already has a lot on his plate before adding a disgruntled sixth man to the list.

That’s not to say the Hawks will give in to keep Crawford happy but they obviously have to consider how not doing so could affect chemistry. You can see where both sides are coming from in this. Harder to see is the room for compromise if Crawford sticks with his demands and the Hawks stick with their fiscal plan.

The Hawks probably anticipated Crawford would seek an extension after he slid seamlessly into the sixth man role and turned in his best season. What they may not have foreseen was that the request would come with a “or trade me” addendum, which has led to this delicate dance as camp approaches.

Things are quiet for the Hawks right now but a storm could be brewing.

MC

332 comments Add your comment

Fundamentals

September 14th, 2010
11:15 am

Only TS just can’t keep it together enough to stay on here. I don’t agree with alot of folks here, most of the time, but everyone’s due their 2 cents.

JeJe – what happened to your master plan once we canned Woody? Awful quiet this summer. Is your last name Sund?

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
11:16 am

Worth Repeating!

Fundamentals said:

“Jamal brings up two issues in my mind. Do we want to get into the Luxury Tax or keep a tight budget. Some would say that’s a stupid question, but it will always remain a question. Jamal’s services would be nice, but not if we give up the $$ to sign Horford.

If we keep Jamal we’re loaded at SG. To me I would trade Bibby and Mo Evans if we really see such promise in JC2 an Sy and Teague to give them minutes to develop. Players need regular minutes in a real rotation to perform comfortably. If they can’t get them there’s no point hoarding them on our team when we have other needs. If you keep them all, send JC2 and Sy to the D-League to develop.”

I posted the exact same comments yesterday – Verbatum!

See Najeh! I told you this basketball topic has been beaten
to death! Its all DeJavu now. Then, the bait car keeps rolling up.

-smile- I’m just having fun with the fellas!

Let’s Go Dream! Show your Brothers how we do it!

Fundamentals

September 14th, 2010
11:18 am

Sorry to repeat points…been swamped at work. Blog is definitely in need of real updates from MC. We’ve got nothing but hope and training camp right now.

vava74

September 14th, 2010
11:19 am

Renaldo,

great post. do come back.

however, be prepared for a rabid attack from Rod from College Park one of the regulars over here and from one of his accolits, truthspitter…

Teezo

September 14th, 2010
11:19 am

Who ever thinks Crawford is better that JJ and ATL that would be better off without JJ (with Crawford leading the pack), plzzz…I’m not gonna deny Crawfords offensive skills, but its not even close when you look at their importance to a team, why else would this be his 4th NBA team, he’s nothing but a scorer, that when hot can change a game and obviously 3 other NBA teams felt that wasn’t enough…So what he did last season is nothing new, he just happened to be on a winning team where everybody could see it…I’m pretty sure plenty ppl didn’t know about his record 50+ pts for 3 teams or his record number of 4pt plays b/c that doesn’t impress nobody and he’s BEEN doing that his whole career…My point is, ATL doesn’t need to stress themselves over him (as bad a management group they are)…I don’t think his role on our team is as important as some think b/c he’s nothing but a streaky shooter that like JR Smith and plenty of them come and go in the NBA…Trade him for SF and a C that will play defense and combine to put up his 18ppg, we’ll be just fine…Peace…

vava74

September 14th, 2010
11:23 am

doc,

point taken. I though that you were talking about offers to restricted free agents after their rookie contract and not about the draft.

As OB (?) mentioned, Acie did come out with a rep of being the best PG.

In his defense, he got injuried at a critical point of his rookie season and then again on the following year AND he was being coached by Woody…

Last year Acie had a string of very good games for Chicago when Rose went down showing a lot of potential. I caught a few highlights with him playing with the Bull’s green jersey (St. Patricks Day?) and he looked like an all-star…

Fundamentals

September 14th, 2010
11:28 am

Quote of the Day from Hoops Hype:

Etan Thomas: The fans are amazing. Like nothing, I have ever seen before. We had great fans in DC, don’t get me wrong. But the Oklahoma City fans gave the entire team a standing ovation for about 20 minutes after the playoff loss to the Lakers. I never heard anyone boo us no matter how bad we played. They were with us win lose or draw. In good times and bad times, it was really similar to a college atmosphere. I felt like I was back at Syracuse, although the Carrier Dome is one of a kind. The team fed off of that energy and it gave us a boost out there. The guys talked about it all the time and appreciated the support. I think a lot of times, the fans can make a bad situation worse by the way they react.

Maybe he can work on our fans and our players attitudes?

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
11:28 am

Renaldo

Ditto! Excellent posts this morning – quite refreshing.
Thanks.

Fundamentals

Agreed, I love great debates and varied opinions. Outside of that,
all the personal bashing is just hilarious up to a point.

But, I love seeing things from an opposite perspective, it makes
you think and sometimes change your own mind. I thought that
was the art of blogging to share and exchange ideas and opinions.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
11:36 am

Fundamentals!

Wow! What a great qoute from Etan.
Sounds like we got our leader right there!

Having gone through heart surgey and all, we can be sure he
has one and it ain’t broke!

IDK much about Etan, but he sounds extremely intellectual.
I hope all the Fans are listening.

Astro Joe

September 14th, 2010
11:46 am

The Truth, Jamal’s early termination option was for the summer of 2009. If the Hawks had traded for Jamal in June and he terminated his contract 2 weeks later, we would have traded the expiring contracts of Acie and Speedy for essentially nothing. Jamal had every opportunity to decline and potentially stay in the toxic environment with Nellie. But instead, he opted for a winning situation in Atlanta. it was a win-win agreement for both parties. If Sund puts Jamal in his doghouse for demanding a trade, then yes, Sund is acting immaturely. I hope that he sits down with Jamal sooner than later and explains his intentions… which is different than making a promise or commitment. I intend to keep you (although if someone offers megood value, I’m trading you in a heart beat) or I intent to trade you (but if someone offers me pennies on the dollar you will stay). But at the end of the day, Sund holds the cards and Jamal is potentially stuck with a $10M contract on a winning team. I should be so stuck.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
11:51 am

Astro Joe

I know man! I wish somebody would stick me like that.

Astro Joe

September 14th, 2010
11:52 am

Etan is a talker. He is a published poet and has engaged in political commentary in the past. All of that is nice. I hope that he rebounds, sets solid screens and blocks shots. I’d much rather read quotes about how he was able to effectively defend Dwight Howard for 12-15 minutes in a game than hear/read him wax poetic about a social issue. I’d be impressed if he sets a screen without being called for an offensive foul (since no one else on the team knows how to make that happen).

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
11:58 am

Edgar Allen Poe

Astro, oh OK, I see what’s up!

KevinM

September 14th, 2010
12:32 pm

“Fundamentals
September 14th, 2010
11:09 am

Joe has roped himself into a bad situation if he really doesn’t like Atlanta. Get real people. He signed, so he must want to play here. He’s got 124 million reasons to perform, so I expect he will.”

Nope, Joe doesn’t have to do anything to earn that money. The ASG has already guaranteed it unless of course the owners file for bankruptcy.
Joe is set and could be our version of Jermaine O’Neal, who earned 150M so far…..anybody remember any big plays he has made?

Not just Joe’s fault though………I get that. But his comments and no-shows in the playoffs sure don’t convince me that he should be the leader.

KevinM

September 14th, 2010
12:35 pm

Hmmm, apparently Etan wasn’t wanted in OKC any longer……who was Sund competing with for his services? It sure doesn’t sound like Etan was torn between staying or going.
I don’t expect him to be enamored by the fan base here either….you have to win something to prove to many of us it can be done. Not just regular season games.

Fundamentals

September 14th, 2010
12:43 pm

Never said Joe should be the leader, but if he plays his game his game will speak. He doesn’t have to be Lebron. We’ve got a few other vocal kids on our team. They’re the one’s screaming for the ball in the post? Al and Josh maybe?

Maybe we can get Malcolm Mackey to come in and teach a clinic on setting a pick by rolling the Bobby Hurley clips from days gone by. I think Etan will bring toughness if he can find his niche here. He seems positive, seems to be a hard worker. Time will tell. If he sucks, he can pen his own eulogy.

Jamal could actually increase his value by seasons end by playing solid D at his position in LD’s new system. To me he’s not worth the money after his contract ends. We can get the same services cheaper…why not his at a decent price.

Is Crawford’s issue the money alone for his personal gain or is it to finally push ASG into Luxury Tax land and potentially making this team better by changing the way free agents percieve the ATL.

I don’t care what you say. Joe is under pressure to perform. He’s proven with his comments his poor performance teamed with some fan chatter sets him off. He cares, he wants to succeed, he wants to lead. Accept him for what he is. The perfect piece in the right system. Is he Kobe, no, but neither are 99.9% of other players. I say that watching Kobe and Shaq getting dismantled by Detroit. Guess they needed a “real” leader instead of time to learn and grow.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 14th, 2010
12:43 pm

“Maybe he can work on our fans and our players attitudes?”

Maybe the fans’ attitudes would be better if our team had a GM like Sam Presti, a coach like Scott Brooks and the best young player in the league, and they played their hearts out against the best team in the league and took them to six hard fought games in the first round playoff series.

Astro Joe

September 14th, 2010
1:03 pm

“and they played their hearts out against the best team in the league and took them to six hard fought games in the first round playoff series”.

That part sounds similar to the Hawks-Celtics series. Let’s be honest, OKC is a unique situation… a relatively new franchise and the only professional sports team in the city (actually, in the state). There’s a reason why the atmosphere is comparable to college sports… because that is the only other thing those fans know in Oklahoma. The other comparable markets are Salt Lake City and Portland.

JeJe

September 14th, 2010
1:22 pm

“Uggh …. JeJe

My bad, that was a typo. I meant to type 50 pts.
(blame it on the blackberry small keys). LOL!

So, You said Jamal dropped 50 on Wade? And, that makes him better that Joe?

What an active imagination, stay on point here – this is NOT personal
It’s basketball. I’m trying to do like Najeh said this morning
and just talk Basketball.

Kobe actually dropped 54 on the Clips in April 12, 2007 and lost was my point._

“The article on May 29, 2009 said he had 50 with 8 mins left
in the 4th and stopped scoring … Man he need help badly”

So, if Kobe drops 54 on Clips and lose and need help badly?
Joe doesn’t drop 50 and is 2nd on team in assists and loses?
Doesn’t he need help too? After all, like you said -

He’s NO Kobe!”

I don’t have time to analyze your horrendous grasp of the English language and reply to your inaccurate points.

Eat it.

rusty

September 14th, 2010
1:46 pm

if basketball is a team sport, i guess that leaves jj out. the only reason he had 3 people on him is because he would dribble & hold on to the ball to long. & they knew he would always do that

[...] Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal Constitution writes the Hawks have contemplated an extension request from Jamal Crawford. However, the team is reluctant to give Crawford the extension he wants, mainly because of past extensions given to Mike Bibby, Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams and an upcoming one in Al Horford. [...]

rusty

September 14th, 2010
1:54 pm

is that the way an allstar thinks that is the way the game should be played

Will

September 14th, 2010
1:55 pm

I would honor his request by trading him for whatever value he has. I believe that there are several teams that would be interested in acquiring him and his expiring contract for a player of equal value and talent. TRADE HIM!

Will

September 14th, 2010
2:02 pm

TRADEHIM! TRADE HIM! TRADE HIM! TRADE THEM ALL!

Bulls fan

September 14th, 2010
2:37 pm

JC has lost more games than any other active player in the league. Plays no D’ and jacks it up with out any consideration for teammates or match ups. Very selfish player who had never been in the playoff in his career. Now wants to selfishly get paid.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
2:45 pm

Facts Don’t Lie!

If kobe scores 54 points on April 12, 2007 against THE CLIPPERS an lose in his
own arena isn’t accurate enough?

Then maybe Kobe scoring 58 in triple OT against THE BOBCATS is
more accurate?

[www.kobebryantdvd.com/58-points.html]

Here’s my point, Jamal dropping 50 points doesn’t make him
a better player than Joe Johnson. Hard to believe anyone can
even purse their lips to say something that absurd.

But, welcome to Blog World, where anyone can say anything.
No pre-qualifications required.

Just like Kobe learned after MJ and all other scorers before him
eventually learned as well. Basketball is a TEAM game.
When kobe learned this he won Three more rings.

In this season’s Championship, Kobe didn’t score so well,
his teammates stepped up and he dished 11 assists (I believe).
Point is, Kobe did other things to impact the games outcome.

Eat THAT and Weep!

It’s just Basketball people.

KevinM

September 14th, 2010
3:06 pm

To follow up on Etan’s comments about the great fan base in OKC, and that everyone is believing in their leader…..do we have that here? Do we have someone who is setting the example and then performing on the court?

Different situation re: fan base. That’s the only pro team in that city, and we have 10X the choices here to grab the fans’ attention. Still, the fizzle of last year reminds you of the limitations the Braves dealt with for years, and they in fact did try to make changes to get over the home field hex.
The Braves, give them credit for appearing in multiple World Series though. The Hawks? You know the rest.

Didn’t I read somewhere that when Woody was here he was trying to get teams to match up to us instead of us matching their strengths? If so, sounds like we are continuing the same approach according to LD. I thought someone commented that this wasn’t the approach of the past head coach?

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
3:09 pm

G-dad’s T.O’t.D.

Philly gets:
*Jamal -&- Bibby

Hawks get:
*Spencer Hawes
*Lou Williams
*Jason Kapono [exp contract]

**Most likely Hawks would have to throw in a draft pick [1st]?
due to Philly picking up an X-tra $2 mil + accepting Bibby.
[not to mention Lou Williams] + [Jamal 1 year rental ?]

***We get a Big, sal relief, [kapono exp] & versatle guard.

Heck – I’d even throw in Gladyr!

How can yawl not like this trade?

****Houston would not want Jamal****
*****Kevin Martin*****

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
3:11 pm

KevinM

Great points re: OKC versus ATL. Very, very true!

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
3:11 pm

The Houston comment above…..^…..was due to previous posts!

Norman Cochran

September 14th, 2010
3:19 pm

Being an Owner is not about making money, it is more of a hobby. You play to break even or make enough this year to pay for salaries next year. You are not going to make money if you don’t have a good dependable product to sell. I would not have signed JJ back, I would have given the money to JC. MW doesn’t deserve the money he was given either. He is too inconsistent.You pay big money to the players who show up every game and put up big numbers and can carrry a team at one time or another. You can’t put all the eggs in one basket, it takes all 5 players on the floor to focus on putting up their best performance. If they can’t produce, then “Good-Bye”!!!!

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
3:20 pm

G-Daddy

I like it … I like it a lot.

We get the traditional BIG.
Lous W. Comes back home to Atlanta to play with Josh.
Kapano could play the 3?

Question is? Would Philly bite?

Jae Evolution

September 14th, 2010
3:20 pm

@ drmaryb I don’t know why you wouldn’t believe me I live in Washington State and in case you didn’t know Jamal is from Seattle, he is always hooping at local area’s I went to his camp he held a month back, it was just a coincidence he was at that LA Fitness I went to, my cousin goes to that one more than I do and he told me he’s seen Nate Robinson and Terrence Williams there both from the Seattle area, they are basketball players, and they play basketball why wouldn’t they hit up the local LA Fitness to play it’s a quality gym. Please fallback…

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
3:32 pm

Mary Ellen

As with an attractive young lady,
if the gentleman does not ask,
he will never know.

Jae Evolution

September 14th, 2010
3:33 pm

LOL, god people are so weary of this TS guy anybody who posts something even remotely questionable they call you a troll, you guys need to get a grip. Believe me or not I don’t care, saying he wouldn’t be at LA Fitness? A gym is a gym, go twitter him or something ask him where he was from 8-9 P.M. last night, guranteed he’ll tell you LA Fitness in Renton, Washington. Peace.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
3:37 pm

G-Daddy

You’re right.
You never, never know?

I do like that proposal A Lot!
Louis W. Has really come on of late. He is a smallish kid who should have gone to
College and bulk up a little or at least work on his game. Like Jamal, he will never
be The Incredible Hulk.

Now Etan, speaking of Hulk? Did you see them guns? His triceps are a big as his biceps. We needed some beef cakes in the post – hugh?

Grandad

September 14th, 2010
4:00 pm

Jae Evolution

Relax

If you’re somebody you aint,
then you are not who you are anyway;
so what does it matter.
Yet if you tell us you were there & you were,
but he wern’t, then you still was – so who cares?
But if he was & you were not then we would
not know in the first place and it still doesn’t matter.
Therefore, if you were and he was would we still know? No!
But again if’n he wasn’t and neither was you
did a tree fall in the woods?
Case closed.

My fault…..not on topic. [but who knows]?

Jamal Crawford

September 14th, 2010
4:03 pm

Ken Strickland

September 14th, 2010
4:01 pm

Ray,anybody, I have a nasty habit of sucking penises, I was wondering if either of you guys can tell me how to get the balls out of my face?

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:09 pm

I have been saying for a while that the Hawks should trade JC1 for Hawes.

Or, we send JC1 and Zaza to Washington, they send Arenas to Portland, and Portland sends us Aldridge.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:10 pm

Washington would not mind receiving another scorer and Zaza to get rid of Arenas. Portland would love Arenas to go with Roy. Not to mention they have another 3 centers left.

Dezz Nuttz

September 14th, 2010
4:10 pm

Jae Evolution T.S. strikes fear in their hearts because he asks the difficult questions and makes the defining statements which exposes their fallacies.

Youll get along fine if you dont criticize Al Horford, jeff teague or voice support for Mike Woodson. . If you do one of those youll receive harsh words. Do two and you are automatically call T. S. Do 3 and you will be blocked.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 14th, 2010
4:11 pm

G-Daddy

A tiger does not change it’s stripes.
The Truth will always be in the words.
See the last comments and there is your Truth.

This is a Blog and you can’t post about whatever the hell you want – apparently.
So, keep posting your awesome stuff – There are NO rules – only Scroll Keys for those who don’t like.

Capiche’?

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:17 pm

I agree, Mary and Grandad should have been banned a long time ago….why are they still here?

“Isn’t this clown Drmaryb supposed to be banned? Go eat !@#$.”

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:20 pm

T.S.

Evidently Drmaryb has no life and lives on this blog. Its the only way she can talk to someone and feel good about herself. She can pretend to be something she’ll never be.

Go read some of her stuff and see how proud she gets, lol it’s pretty childish the way she feels as if she is the “GOD OF BLOG”.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:21 pm

There is another one, her name is Mrs.Dee, and she is not as proud as Mary to be a dike, but close to it. It’s pretty pathetic how they cheer each other on as if they knew something about basketball.

Mary,

There is a reason why you are on here all this time. YOU DON”T PLAY WITH BALLS

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:24 pm

Publix, I know. You are right. Mary can be very nasty. Her and grandad used my name to say stupid stuff to get me blocked then spread rumors that I was block. She posts blogs where she preaches sermons and then steal s your name for malice. Prior to that I did not agree with things mary said always but now ive seen the other side of her. I would not call her friend. Grandad either.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:26 pm

i think she uses more then one name on here to make herself feel good

T.S.

September 14th, 2010
4:28 pm

Publix I havent had a bad experience with miss Dee. Weve disagreed before but without hate or malice. She reaches out to mary when mary is being exposed and offers support. I respect her for that. Mary can be harsh but not deceitful or malicious. At least thats been my experience to date. Perhaps youve had a different experience. let me encourage you to right ms dee and she where she coming from…. cant hurt.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:29 pm

like back in high school where that fatt girl couldn’t date any football players so had to be mad at everyone and take it out on everyone around her

Mary, get a life and go watch something that will fit you better. How about ping pong or something. Go try to find a corner in a round room.

Publix

September 14th, 2010
4:30 pm

it would be nice to just come on here and talk basketball without having to deal with some of the idiots on here