Atlanta Hawks: Their Crawford conundrum

Can the Hawks keep Crawford smiling?

Can the Hawks keep Crawford smiling?

Just two weeks until training camp, blog people, and all is quiet on the Hawks front. And under the circumstances, “quiet” really means: “Jamal Crawford and the Hawks might be headed for a showdown.”

As everyone knows, Crawford wants a contract extension for what he believes to be his market value or, failing that, a trade. He’s pushing for an extension both because of the past (his Sixth Man of the Year season) and the future (the looming specter of a new CBA).

The Hawks have contemplated Crawford’s request for going on two months now. But they seem reluctant to offer him a long-term contract because of the past (long-term deals for Bibby and Marvin last summer and J.J. this summer) and the future (possible contract extension for Al).

That brings us to the present. The best-case scenario for the Hawks would be for Crawford to report to camp and put the extension talk on the backburner with promises to take care of him later, no hard feelings. That way Atlanta gets Crawford doing his thing off the bench for another season and doesn’t have to add him now to its growing list of long-term financial obligations.

But you have to wonder how that would sit with Crawford. In his only public comments since word leaked of his pay-me-or-trade-me request, Crawford didn’t shoot down the stories and instead pointedly declined to even talk about playing for the Hawks in 2010-11.

That doesn’t sound like a guy who has any intention of backing off his request. Crawford would report to camp without the promise of an extension since there’s no real advantage for NBA players to hold out. He also would have incentive to put in another good year with a good team and hit free agency next summer with his value still high.

But Crawford also would see that he’s the only member of Atlanta’s proverbial “core” who isn’t under contract beyond 2010-11. Whether you think the Hawks should extend Jamal or not, we’ve all seen situations where players (or people, really) who don’t feel appreciated or respected by their organizations also aren’t as productive.

The fact that Crawford apparently is willing to play out the final year of his deal elsewhere suggests he fits into that category. Crawford’s “nice guy” public demeanor is what you get in private, too, but this, as they say, is business.

So this is the dilemma faced by the Hawks. They have the most leverage because they have Crawford under contract and are under no obligation to offer him an extension or trade him. The Hawks could tell Crawford they aren’t in position to meet his contract demands and don’t intend to trade him, and then hope Crawford’s desire to showcase for his next deal while playing for a winning team eventually will trump any hurt feelings.

But taking that stance could threaten the team’s chemistry and cohesion before the season even gets started. I don’t need to remind you that both of those things unraveled for the Hawks by the end of last season. L.D. already has a lot on his plate before adding a disgruntled sixth man to the list.

That’s not to say the Hawks will give in to keep Crawford happy but they obviously have to consider how not doing so could affect chemistry. You can see where both sides are coming from in this. Harder to see is the room for compromise if Crawford sticks with his demands and the Hawks stick with their fiscal plan.

The Hawks probably anticipated Crawford would seek an extension after he slid seamlessly into the sixth man role and turned in his best season. What they may not have foreseen was that the request would come with a “or trade me” addendum, which has led to this delicate dance as camp approaches.

Things are quiet for the Hawks right now but a storm could be brewing.

MC

332 comments Add your comment

KevinM

September 13th, 2010
10:48 am

Thanks for more clarification on this MC. I gotta ask since we have JC2 on the roster, are they looking at him as the possible replacement should JC1 just play out his contract?
And we all know for whatever reason, which still doesn’t make sense to me, we are focusing on extending Al, and that is taking precedence over JC1 and his wants.

Personally, let both go to the offseason with no changes and stop making bad decisions for a cap-strapped ownership team.

Ramon

September 13th, 2010
10:58 am

The more I think about Crawford’s play, the more I really would love to see him stay on the Hawks. To watch him do his thing on the offensive side, and then watch Powell and Thomas do their thing on the defensive side would be huge. I think Crawford’s present will make the role of JC2 and Sy that much easier, because he requires so much attention. As I’ve said the only person I would consider trading him for would’ve been Camby. But now that we have four centers on the roster, that wouldn’t be wise.

If Teague can take a step up, I really believe this will be a complete team! I feel more confident in Powell and Thomas than in Morris and Joe Smith on the defensive end. I think all of the pieces that Drew added was mainly for effort and intensity. And I love those attributes.

By the way, everyone still talks about drafting Marvin Williams. But I would much rather be the franchise that drafted Marvin over Chris Paul, instead of being Portland and watching Durant prove that he’s better than Lebron or Wade.

James B.

September 13th, 2010
11:04 am

Nothing against Jamal but there’s no conundrum. Never has GM Sund mentioned Jamal as part of the “core”. Moreover, there was no logical reason to draft Jordan Crawford if keeping Jamal Crawford was a component of your long-term plans.

The only questions remaining are: when will they trade him, to whom will they trade him, will the Hawks include any other player(s) in the deal and which player(s)will they receive in return.

One other question MC, Is it possible that a Jamal Crawford trade can bring in the player(s) needed to become a serious championship contender?

Hoops

September 13th, 2010
11:11 am

Keep Crawford until a better deal comes along. It’s that simple. If he produces this season with a champions attitude, then the Hawks will look to resign him. The ball is in his court!

Ramon

September 13th, 2010
11:13 am

Hey guys, quickly just because I’m bored at work. IF Sund traded Crawford,would you guys be happy with a deal of:

Hawks Get:
Billups, PG
Martin, PF

And Denver Gets
Crawford, PG-SG
Bibby, PG
Zaza, PF-C

niremetal

September 13th, 2010
11:16 am

If this is Crawford’s stance, then he needs new agents. Assuming he’s still looking for a Gordon, or Manu-esque deal, he’s going to get a rude awakening when next summer arrives and he finds out that he’s not going to get that kind of money from the Hawks or anyone else. He’s going to go into next summer as a 31 year old who can’t (or won’t) play defense and whose only marketable skill is being an explosive-yet-streaky scorer. Does he actually think that the Hawks are the only team that will be reluctant to pay Jamal with the CBA about to expire?

This doesn’t seem like Jamal. He just doesn’t seem like a holdout type of guy. This reeks of a player getting bad advice from his agents. Jamal is not going get paid. The question he needs to ask himself is whether he’d rather not get paid here, or not get paid somewhere else.

Josh kinsey

September 13th, 2010
11:21 am

Unless some deal comes for Jamal that blows Sund and ownership group away, expect Jamal in a Hawks uniform for the entire season. He will play his best for his next deal. This is best strategy for hawks considering that they hold all leverage.

I feel like the only question left to answer about the hawks roster is whether or not Pape Sy is being brought over and put in D-League.

YO MC, great coverage all off-season. Love all the updates!!

Follow me on twitter @jkinsey60

Bob Poundmax

September 13th, 2010
11:21 am

Bob Poundmax

September 13th, 2010
11:21 am

Bertie

September 13th, 2010
11:24 am

In my opinion, JC1 is not part of the “core”. He was a acquired as a bridge in an opportune trade by Sund without giving up any valuable assets and only acquiring his longer salary commitments. It should not be an issue, the team’s priority is signing Al. Once that happens then you can address JC1.

hand

September 13th, 2010
11:29 am

Sign Crawford he just as good Joe Johnson,we need both players on the team. the hawks might be better than we think. I am looking for a good year from the hawks.

rusty

September 13th, 2010
11:38 am

i agree with the hand. i much rather watch jc than jj we need jc,he plays great & the fans love to watch him play,a must

rusty

September 13th, 2010
11:41 am

jc2 needs to take moes minutes. jj needs to play more at sf

Another GM

September 13th, 2010
11:49 am

JC has the Hawks over a barrel. He was at least worth 10 games last year and is a bonafide big time scorer. They better pay him or this franchise will start fading fast. Folks are gonna find out this year what Woody meant to this team.

JeJe

September 13th, 2010
12:01 pm

Worst ownership/GM in sports.

This guy Crawford is the BEST offensive player on this team. He scores WITH ease against the BEST in the game. He doesn’t dribble the ball for 20 seconds and take contested 20 footers. He puts the BALL IN THE BASKET.

He is our BEST OFFENSIVE player.

Yet ASG and Sund will alienate him and every other FA that comes up. Paying 13.5+ Million a year for freaking Duck and Minime? These guys SUCK. They are USELESS basketball players, one of whom is a career underachiever, and the other who is severely overweight and is the WORST starting point guard in this league (there are BACKUPS better than Bibby by a LONGSHOT).

RESIGN CRAWFORD

newkid

September 13th, 2010
12:03 pm

C’mon MC. What stands between the ASG/Hawks and a successful championship run is not the ‘team chemistry’ as may be affected by the handling (or not) of the circumstances surrounding Jamal. Wish it were, but this (in my opinion) is small potatoes compared to other resounding impediments. Apart from moving other contracts that are singly – or in combination – as large as Jamal’s, we can forget him being re-signed here at anything close to his perceived market value; even if there isn’t a lockout next year.

But so what? Isn’t this conundrum tantamount to swatting at knats while being trampled by elephants? Do you really suspect that Jamal’s presence, combined with past ‘activity’ and ‘inactivity’ of ASG/Sund, will put Hawks in better (worse) position to compete with Heat/Celtics/Magic/Bulls for realistic shot at coming out of the east? More likely, it’s newsprint, but not much more. Unless (you fill in the blank) walks through the door of the Hawks locker room and suits up, we’d better get comfortable with the idea of a marginal continuation of very modest ‘organic growth’, while key competitors have gone the way of GM (i.e., genetic modification). For those hoping against hope that LD walks on water with his ‘new’ approach to offense and defense, well…

dap01

September 13th, 2010
12:03 pm

If Crawford sulks all year, his value will go down. Other teams care about money also. We drafted another SG, Crawford is trying to get a committment before JC2 makes JC1 less valuable.

He has a $10 million contract for 2010. Jamal needs to SHUT UP and play.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 13th, 2010
12:09 pm

1. Crawford does deserve an extension based on what he’s done.

2. It is not in the Hawks’ best interest to give him an extension, since they are deepest at his position and painfully shallow at SF and C.

The only logical option in this situation seems to be trading him for quality depth at SF and/or C. It’s just too bad Sund van Winkle has been sleeping all summer while the rest of the NBA has been making moves.

truthspitter

September 13th, 2010
12:10 pm

The Hawks are real bad as of now. Everything that they have done this summer has been wrong in some sense. The draft was all wrong. They drafted another guard when there were several 7 ft tall legit C prospects on the board. They gave away a lottery pick for a 2nd rd pick and trade exception. They overpaid Joe even though I’m glad he is back. The signed bottom of the barrel free agents in Collins and Thomas. I hate the Hawks handling of business. This team is ran horribly

Biff Pocaroba

September 13th, 2010
12:12 pm

What is a conondrum? Is that anything like a conundrum? The Hawks cannot spend what they do not have.

KevinM

September 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

We have a logjam at the 2 and Joe will now have to play more at the 3 to get JC2 any minutes and JC1 will basically be playing for his next contract, whether its here or somewhere else.
Should JC1 win another 6MOY award, or be in the Top 3 in the league, we can call out the ASG at that time. I have no problem with him playing on his current expiring contract.
It should have happened with Marvin and didn’t….it isn’t going to happen with Al.
Just several moves that don’t make a lot of sense for an ownership group that spends their money of the loyal core who don’t make waves within the organization. JC1 speaking out is not helping his standing within the ASG.
IMO, he’s needed and is by far the best player off the bench.

James

September 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

I would have much rather seen the Hawks take care of Crawford and let Joe Johnson walk.Two years from now they will be trying like crazy to dump Joe’s contract and there will be no takers..One of the worst contracts from a teams perspective in the history of pro sports and it’s already biting them..Truth is Jamal is a better for the team than Joe..

O'Brien

September 13th, 2010
12:31 pm

Jamal wants an extension, or he wants to be traded. We know why he wants an extension (value at its highest, new CBA next year).

If no extension, a trade would be better for him, because if he can go to another team and excel like he did last year, his value wouldnt drop as far.

If he stays with the Hawks, plays behind JJ, with JC2 potentially getting some PT, and LD’s offense sharing the wealth, his numbers could take a big hit, driving his value further down.

I have been on the trade Jamal bandwagon, especially after JJ staying, and we drafted Jamal 2.0, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

O'Brien

September 13th, 2010
12:34 pm

And Props to the ATL Dream, making the WNBA finals in their 3rd year, and playing really well (losing by 2 on the road in game 1).

Hoops

September 13th, 2010
12:39 pm

Amen O’Brien! Awesome job by the Dream! Keep it up ladies! Win a Championship!!!

Clyde

September 13th, 2010
12:49 pm

Lets go Dream!!!!!!

I wonder if they will have a parade if they win they championship.

Roll Tide!!!!!

KB

September 13th, 2010
1:05 pm

The Hawks are in bad shape. They should not given JJ all of that money. When the game was on the line last year, JC made all the big shots. The mgt group are trying to win on the cheap. The problem in doing that is you have to make great decisions on personnel moves. The Hawks haven’t done that.

The funny thing that I believe the ladies will get a championship before the men. The men have been hear way longer than the men and have more resources to boot!!!

Jt

September 13th, 2010
1:37 pm

This isn’t the NFL- contracts in the NBA are guaranteed. Joe Johnson played in his final year of a contract even though he was a FA at the end of the year. I know – at least the Hawks offered him an extension. Why would Crawford be willing to go to another team and play out his final year? Why can’t he do that in Atlanta? I am a teacher- I work on a year to year contract every year and damn sure don’t do it with the financial security these guys do. If this was the NFL, with their non-guaranteed contract, then i would understand. The Hawks gave him an opportunity to do last year what he has never done before- play in the post-season. If he does well this year he will get his money next year and if he doesn’t play well , then he did not deserve his extension any way. He needs to show up- work his butt off- that is what professionals do

steve brown

September 13th, 2010
1:43 pm

this weekend made me disgusted with all teams atlanta. they won’t win the title with or without him so who gives a ————-.

The Truth

September 13th, 2010
1:51 pm

Action speaks louder than words. If the Hawks don’t extend Jamal a contract, (or at least make him an offer) they are telling the fans “We Don’t Believe We Can Win a Championship with this Team. We Are Transitioning To a Cheaper Roster So Please Be Patient”. The Hawks will always come up short with this attitude since their main priority is staying under the salary cap. Yes they resigned JJ’s historic contract, but with little follow-through, it will be perceived as a stunt. We will not be fooled; we all know Jamal was a big part of their success story last season. They just can’t always plug-and-play players as easily as machine parts and expect continuity.

The Celtics is a good model for the Hawks as they extended a 35 yr-old Ray Allen a 2-yr 10M contract when they had every reason to pass. Especially after his Game 7 playoff performance, when he went 3-14 from the field while the Celtics faded in the fourth quarter and eventually lost. In addition to Allen’s streaky performance, he’s a poor defender who averages 16 ppg in 35 MP compared to a poor defender Crawford who averages 18 ppg in 31 MP. But the Celtics are committed to winning a championship, so they believe their best chances include resigning Allen. If they were so worried about the salary cap, they would have pursued a cheaper alternative.

Again, it is the Hawk fans responsibility to adjust their championship aspiration downward in accordance to the roster markup of the team. I would consider not re-signing a disgruntled Jamal Crawford more then a tweak downward. If that is their plans, then they have thrown in the towel for improving the team this year.

northcyde

September 13th, 2010
2:04 pm

I see the comments, and some of you wonder why I say what I say on here. And yes, once again, I’m going to use STATS to destroy some of your views. And when I present this, some of you STILL won’t believe what the stats show, and will just dismiss it altogether. But it wll be there for your viewing nonetheless.

Do you guys REALLY want to know the difference between JJ and Jamal? Well . . I’ll illustrate it in this post. And I’ll invite you to MAKE SURE you research this for yourself. Don’t take my word for this . . research this for YOURSELF!!

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After our playoff run was over, Hubie Brown ( a big stats guy ) spoke about seeing what players do vs the top teams in the league, and see what they did against those teams to make them successful, or unsuccessful. Well let’s focus on the 15 other playoff teams to see who REALLY showed up all year.

The following are the shooting percentages of Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson, broken down into these shooting categories:

50%+ . . . 45 – 50% . . . 40 – 45% . . . 35 – 40% . . . Below 35%

I will list how many times each guy shot in each category, and will post what he shot vs that particular team in parenthesis. For example . . if Crawford shot 60% vs Detroit, you’ll see . . . DET ( 60 )

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JAMAL CRAWFORD vs the 15 other playoff teams.

50%+: 2 times. . . . . CHI ( 50 ) – DEN ( 57 )

45 – 50%: 2 times . . BOS ( 46 ) – SA ( 46 )

40 – 45%: 4 times . . CHA ( 41 ) – CLE ( 42 ) – MIA ( 41 ) – MIL ( 40 )

35 – 40%: 5 times . . LAL ( 39 ) – OKC ( 36 ) – PHX ( 39 ) – POR ( 39 ) – UTH ( 37 )

Below 35%: 2 times . DAL ( 29 ) – ORL ( 31 )

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JOE JOHNSON vs the 15 other playoff teams

50%+: 5 times . . . . DAL ( 53 ) – LAL ( 50 ) – MIL ( 50 ) – OKC ( 54 ) – UTA ( 53 )

45 – 50%: 4 times . .BOS ( 45 ) – CLE ( 46 ) DEN ( 45 ) – SA ( 47 )

40 – 45%: 3 times . .CHI ( 42 ) – PHX ( 42 ) – POR ( 44 )

35 – 40%: 3 times . .CHA ( 38 ) – MIA ( 38 ) – ORL ( 38 )

Below 35%: 0 times

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The difference is C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y

Jamal has always been a “feast or famine” type player. Luckily for us, he was a “feast” player . . . vs those non-playoff teams. His greatest contribution to this team last year, was his explosive ability to blow a game open in the middle of a half. But once again, most of Jamal’s best games game at home at Philips vs non-playoff teams.

Joe Johnson played much better on the road last year than he did at home, which may lead to the perception that Jamal may be just as good or better than JJ in most of your eyes.

But the numbers tell a different story. And they always have.

But people don’t believe the JJ vs Jamal “clutch shooting” numbers, so they probably won’t believe what I posted here either.

i_am_soulstar

September 13th, 2010
2:07 pm

Hawks just need to wait and see how Jordan Crawford works out. And that’s the smart move. Do an assessment of the first half of the season, and if the rookie can fill the backup SG role, trade Crawford to address any holes that need patching.

i_am_soulstar

September 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

*trade Jamal Crawford to address any holes that need patching.

Astro Joe

September 13th, 2010
2:13 pm

Let’s see… the franchise just spent over $100M and a 1st round draft pick on the same position that you play and you’re at the end of your contract. That doesn’t sound like a position of leverage to me. If he becomes a “chemistry issue” then he blows the goodwill that he earned last season and turns into Ricky Davis.

By the way, given the past accomplishments (and rational forecast) of the Hawks, should they even have a “Sacred Core” of more than 2-3 players?

Big Ump

September 13th, 2010
2:22 pm

Doc

Your post on 9/12 at 1:05 hit the nail on the head. You gave prop to the former HC not like others
and willing to giveLD a chance not like others. Lot of us on this blog can only like to about the negatives. Some people like to call you an HC or player lover while at the same time they doing the same thing with the HC or player they perfer. Some us attack other bloggers with name callling
because they don’t agree with their opinon. We got to remember that’s it’s only basketball and it just a sport. I’m quite sure most of us have the same goal and would like for the Hawks to be succesful.
I’m glad that we have dmaryb aboard with her humor. She make it worthwhile. She can be rough when she have t00, and I love what she bring to this blog.

Big Ump

September 13th, 2010
2:24 pm

Excuse me for some of the spelling errors.

ryan

September 13th, 2010
2:28 pm

Keep Crawford trade Marvin and Bibby and Zaza.

Ramon

September 13th, 2010
2:28 pm

Astro, Josh, Al and Joe should be the ‘core’ ANYBODY else can be found on a craigslist with their price or OBO posted beside their name.

tidog

September 13th, 2010
2:32 pm

If the Hawks chose to offer the extension after the season to keep the core, why not before ?

northcyde

September 13th, 2010
2:32 pm

I guess I’m still a “Jamal hater” by posting that. But it is what it is folks. Just like with the 36% FG he shot in the playoffs. Spin that how you want, but it is what it is.

I think it is so interesting how Jamal’s median shooting vs those 15 playoff teams, is closer to what he’s shot his entire career ( around 40% ), and shot 5% points less than what he shot throughout the entire season.

This is why the writer of that “Ball Don’t Lie” article on Jamal even questioned if this was just a “fluke” shooting season for Jamal. Only a few people have given Woody credit ( or his ISO offense credit ) for Jamal’s career best season last year. Most of you canmt bring yourself to do it though, even though the exact same thing happened with Flip.

But of course, the writer of that article is a “hater” too, even if he told the truth. ( sidenote: his articles on Melo, Iggy, and especially Monta Ellis are on point as well. The Monta article is especially good ).

Having cited all of this about Jamal, I still wouldn’t mind him back. But as I said on Hawksquawk at the time of the transaction last year, the coach MUST get Jamal out of the game when he’s cold. Like with JR Smith, you can ride Crawford when he’s hot. But when they’re cold, they’re usually ice cold, and can shoot you right out of a game.

That’s why it is so imperative that Marvin and Bibby or Teague must play well, in order to prevent Drew from playing a cold Crawford, like Woody did last season.

It’s amazing.

- Crawford shoots about 25% FG in clutch situations last year
- He shot 36% FG in the playoffs
- He played well below how JJ played vs the 15 playoff teams last year

Yet, people not only love that dude, but think he’s better than JJ and is our best offensive player?

It is what it is folks.

Jamal is a nice luxury to have when he has it going. But make no mistake . . . the dude IS EXPENDIBLE . . if we get the right player(s) back.

dap01

September 13th, 2010
2:44 pm

Actually Jamal has a conondrum, not the Hawks.

The Hawk have a very good situation where they are paying a veteran guard $10 million to provide scoring off the bench and they have a JC2 waiting in the wings.

Jamal has a contract for $10 million and he realizes that the new barganning agreement is going to hurt his earning potential. The thing that Jamal is not getting is the fact that the Hawks are not the only team not wanting to commit big money to a 30+ guard before the new CBA in a down economy.

In my opinion, JC is showing a lack of character and a definite lack of team unity by demanding for himself. I say trade him to the Clippers and let him accumulate stats on a losing team.

northcyde

September 13th, 2010
2:54 pm

Trade him to Houston for Shane Battier, and improve our perimeter defense, which would give us our backup SF ( or possibly starting one ) . . . and a potential veteran team leader.

If Drew’s offense relies more on ball movement and less on ISOs for our best players, then a guy like Battier could be used as a spot up shooter that can knock down 3s.

Ramon

September 13th, 2010
2:57 pm

Northcyde, if the Hawks could get Battier for Crawford, it would be very hard not to listen to that offer. Then Evans would be allowed to play SG. Also you say Battier would be our backup SF. However, I think that move would allow Battier to start, and for Marvin to go to the bench in a Lamar Odum type role. Marvin can come off the bench for 2-4 positions.

Rufus1

September 13th, 2010
3:00 pm

Great Posts Northcyde

northcyde

September 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

And it’s not a “lack of character” on Jamal’s part. He’s simply looking out for what is best for himself, as are all of these other players. No one knows how the new CBA will look, so the players have to look out for themselves and get all they can.

No reason to be upset with Jamal. It’s just common sense for him to play somewhere in which he can maximize his value. If the new system reduces his shot to say, 10 or 11 a game, that isn’t good for Jamal and his future value, unless he shoots a high percentage.

ryan

September 13th, 2010
3:03 pm

If the Hawks trade Crawford they better not screw it up like the Childress deal i like the idea of Battier or Billups .

The Truth

September 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

We can speculate in advance that if the Hawks miss their 53-game winning mark (this season) and again come up short in the play-off, they can use Jamal as the scapegoat if he plays with no new contract. They can demonized him as being a locker room distraction to justify why he is not worthy of a new contract. They could then publicly commit to giving Jordon Crawford more playing as how they will improve for the future and vow that this will never happen again. This would be a brilliant move by the management if they just want to play games with the fans.

The Ayatollah

September 13th, 2010
3:06 pm

NORTHCYDE

Jamal is clearly not a better player than JJ. Those stats do tell a story. And no doubt Woodyson’s offensive scheme was responsible for both his and Flip Murray’s production. What that showed is that Jamal is clearly better than Flip.

On a totally unrelated note, six years and $124 million gets you this in the PLAYOFFS:

2009 playoffs – 38.7 % FG, 22 % 3-point FG, 17.9 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg.
Career playoff numbers – 41 % FG, 36% 3-point FG, 16.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.6 apg.

Where as Jamal:

36% FG, 36% 3-point FG, 16.3 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.7 apg.

Arguing that Joe is better than Jamal is a meaningless quibble. The regular season stats are one thing. But compare the playoff stats to tell the whole story. Joe is still better. By 2% on field goals while both players are worse than 40% in the last playoffs. By two or three rebounds and two or three assists per game in the last playoffs. But the career playoff averages of Joe are a pig’s hair better than Jamal’s in his lone year in the playoffs.

Pardon me if I am more upset about giving a mediocre playoff performer the best and nicest contract in the entire league, than I am about a pile of fans thinking Jamal is better than Joe. Priorities, dude. Priorities.

The Truth

September 13th, 2010
3:09 pm

“giving Jordon Crawford more playing time”

The Ayatollah

September 13th, 2010
3:10 pm

Just trade Jamal. He won’t be happy without an extension and he knows he will get a job even if he does not play well here as he did last year. Besides, the Hawks front office will not make yet another stupid contract extension mistake we hope. They already paid Williams, Pachulia, Bibby, and Johnson too much money for what they do. Why pay Jamal too. Foolishness, I say. Trade Jamal for a better small forward and not that goofy SOB they have now. If Williams could be a Disney character, he would certainly be GOOFY. Looks just like him.