Atlanta Hawks: Larry Drew ditching switches
L.D. probably wouldn't consider this a 'switchable switch.'
(Checking in from a Miami holiday weekend filled with beaches, BBQ and . . . beverages)
We’ve heard about L.D.’s offensive philosophies but what about D? The short answer to what I know is the No. 1 question: Atlanta’s base defense under Drew will not feature switching on all (or most) screens.
But what he hopes to accomplish goes beyond Xs and Os and lineups. L.D. said he wants to develop a true defensive disposition for a team known more for finesse.
“Playing defense, it can be ugly sometimes,” Drew said. “Sometimes guys don’t like to do the ugly stuff, the dirty work stuff. Good defensive teams, their mindset is to go into games and outwork you. They don’t care how they do it. They do whatever it takes to shut you down. They have that aggressive mentality, where each game they go into it thinking ‘I am going lock in on my guy.’ and that works its way to the rest of the guys. You have to have that team concept and that aggressive mentality.”
A fanatical devotion to shutting down opponents is a trait of all true contenders. Atlanta’s lack of that quality has to rank at least alongside strategy and personnel as a major reason the Hawks have been a middling defensive team.
The Hawks ranked 13th in defensive efficiency last season, 11th in 2008-09 and 13th in ‘07-08. They were 24th in defensive rebounding rate in ‘09-10, 24th in ‘08-09 and 26th in ‘07-08. Atlanta’s rank in opponent true shooting percentage was 19th last season, eighth in ‘08-09 and 18th in ‘07-08. You can keep going down the list of ways to measure defensive performance and lately the Hawks rarely ranked in the top 10, never mind the top 5.
Defense is another area where L.D. is going to have to find a way to get more out of the guys he’s got. Changing their mentality is the obvious place to start. Drew has to galvanize a group that wilted so badly against the Magic. He has to help his players reach the “uncomfortable” effort levels that Al said they didn’t reach last spring.
There are familiar questions about Drew’s roster, too. It’s the same group of defenders (with an asterisk next to Jamal’s name) that couldn’t contain the perimeter. It’s still a power rotation that lacks a menacing 7-footer in the middle. It’s the same group that too often looked to Al and Smoove to go to work on the boards.
Does L.D. think he has the horses to play good, tough, straight-up D?
“I think we have the personnel to do it,” he said. “That’s why I use the term ‘accountability.’”
One way to annoy NBA players is to talk to them about defensive “stoppers.” So many times I’ve heard guys, especially guards and wings, scoff at the notion. There is no such thing, they say, because there are too many good offensive players and the hand-check rules make it nearly impossible to stop those kind of guys straight up.
Point taken, and L.D. said it’s one he recognizes. That’s why he said he there will be times when switching and other help-type schemes will be necessary.
“I think you have to make a decision on how you want to guard certain people,” he said. “Certainly game-by-game, adjustments will be made defensively. But you go into the game with the mindset of guarding your own people. I think we are deep enough we can get that kind of defense out of our guys.”
Drew said he doesn’t want that to go so far with tricking up the D that players use it as a crutch. You could see that happen with the Hawks last season. Players became so reliant on the switches that they tended to relax in anticipation of screens. Why fight through picks to stay with your man when he can be always be passed off to a teammate?
“I know exactly what you mean,” L.D. said. “You are not the first person I’ve heard say that. Different coaches have different philosophies on how they do things.”
The switching defense has its advantages. It can be effective against pick-and-rolls. It helped the Hawks cover up some of their limitations (even if it also could create other problems). But I think there is no question that using switches so liberally blunted Atlanta’s defensive aggressiveness.
Getting away from the switches is a matter of strategy for Drew, whose goal is for the Hawks to make only what he calls the “switchable switches” that don’t leave them in clearly bad matchups But ditching switches also is a matter of mindset.
“We need guys locking in and focusing on what the defense calls for,” Drew said. “We have the tools for it. We have some areas where got to get better at, but I think overall we have the tools to be a good defensive team. That is the challenge I am going to put to the guys.”
– Nothing new on the Jamal front. He still wants either a satisfactory contract extension or a trade but the Hawks still haven’t indicated if he will get either.
– French club Le Havre announced on its Web site that it has completed a buyout of Pape Sy’s contract. The Hawks haven’t received the paperwork and so don’t consider the deal to be official but they are optimistic there will be no snags.
MC
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O'Brien
September 10th, 2010
10:27 am
truthspitter,
LD and Sund are also on the give Marvin another chance train…
KevinM,
I would trade for Carmelo if we could. But IMO, One of the problems the Hawks have is we dont match up well trade wise with the Nuggets.
We can give them JC1, but they already have JR Smith. We can give them Josh, but they have Nene, Birdman, and Kenyon Martin (although they are dealing with injuries).
We can give them draft picks, but chances are it will be in the 20’s. We can give them Marvin, but are they really impressed with Marvin as a starting SF to replace Melo?
Although it would be ironic if Marvin ends up there and plays behind Al Harrington, because thats how his Hawk career started…
Rev in Tampa
September 10th, 2010
10:28 am
NES – Where to begin???
Etan Thomas has never been a SF. SF would blow by him like Rondo is blowing by Horford in Cunninham’s picture. Etan could closeline them pretty effectively, however, with those massive bicepts.
“Why do you think no other team even tendered an offer for Iso Joe?” – ASG & Sund locked JJ up before any of the other teams could try and lure him away. There were several teams that had been sheding salaries for several years in hopes of landing LeBron. They would have made all kinds of creative pitches to lure him away. ASG & Sund made the RIGHT decision in paying JJ to keep him here. As has been demonstrated on this blog several times – JJ is between 15-20 in total salary. And he is rated between 15-20 in most talented current NBA players. ASG payed the market value for JJ. So I would challenge the statement that they payed an “astronomical salary”. In fact, I will go further. The ASG & Sund demonstrated that they are willing to pay the money for the Hawks to contend.
Sidenote – There are several on this blog, myself included, who believe that the Hawks are presently constituted to contend, or are very close (a significant trade) to being able to contend. Losing JJ to another team in the East would have made even the most optimistic of us question the Hawks future. Conversely, signing JJ was a very significant move by ASG/Sund.
What do you know about LD that disqualifies him as a successful head coach? He is unproven, but so was Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Dean Smith, John Wooden, etc. their first year of coaching.
What is this about LD not being able to hire his own coaches?
Rev in Tampa
September 10th, 2010
10:31 am
KevinM, if you are being serious in your approval of NES’s comments, then my last post is directed to you as well.
doc
September 10th, 2010
10:34 am
well despite all our in and outs, acute coherent breakdowns and not so insightful spiteful reviews it is better to be a hawks fan than a thrasher fan where they are talking about how it is interesting to watch ice grow.
Rev in Tampa
September 10th, 2010
10:36 am
doc, I agree. I was also thinking just a few minutes ago how happy that I am not a Sacramento Kings fan. I think I would have given up NBA basketball altogether many years ago.
Rev in Tampa
September 10th, 2010
10:47 am
Actually, I meant to say LA Clippers rather than Sacramento
truthspitter
September 10th, 2010
10:51 am
truthspitter,
LD and Sund are also on the give Marvin another chance train…
@ Obrien: And, does that make it okay to me, no. I don’t care if every preacher in the world is going around preaching that Marvin will have a breakthrough. He is a piece of crap basketball player and you’re posts get no respect from me. Quit addressing me directly. Marvin is just like most of you people average to mediocre in life. Just happy to be here.
Hmmm
September 10th, 2010
10:54 am
We actually have more assests then some of you are giving the DASG credit for. Cenk Akyol is currently on the undefeated Turkey squad playing in the World Championchips. I’m betting Team USA will run into them in the final game. With all these scouts watching, i’m sure Akyol’s status will rise because of this.
We also have another 6′5 SG in addition to that in Sirgay Gladyr. Dude gets it IN overseas and scouts are well aware of his shooting stroke. He also has playmaking abilities and can create off the dribble (we werent able to see that b/c it was the Jeff Teague show last summer but if you look at footage of Sirgey, you see it).
If Denver TRULY wants to dance, we are in a good spot. Give them “the three M stooges” of Marvin, Mike, and Mo Evans, along with rights to Sirgey Gladyr, Cenk Akyol,and our 1st & 2nd round draft pick in the 2011 draft for Carmelo (as long as he agrees to sign an extension).
This gives Denver the youth that they wanted in Marvin, Cenk, and Sirgey. A place holder in Mike Bibby who’s contract expires in two years, and Mo’s contract which comes off the books next summer. This also gives Denver the Ability to rebuild INSTANTLY The next season. They can work out deals with Sirgay and Cenk ( and get rid of J.R Smith) and add our 1st and 2nd RD draft picks in addition to their own draft picks.
Our lineup looks like this:
Jeff Teague
Joe Johnson
Camelo Anthony
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Jordan Crawford
Jamal Crawford
Pape Sy
Josh Powell
Zaza Pachulia
If carmelo is not on the table we can also do a similar type of deal for Chauncey Billups which i’m not opposed to since he’s my favorite player lol. It also gives Teague a better mentor and doesn’t thrust him into the limelight so quickly.
Rev in Tampa
September 10th, 2010
10:56 am
@Truthspitter – “I don’t care if every preacher in the world is going around preaching ”
Should I take this personally? lol
Hmmm
September 10th, 2010
11:02 am
I thought the part about marvin having a breakthrough was extremely funny ^_^
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
lol
The father does work miracles though.
Hmmm
September 10th, 2010
11:10 am
Seriously though, I think LD’s Motion offense wiLl rejuvinate Marvins lost agresssion by puttiong him in good spots. MARVIN IS NOT A SPOT UP SHOOTER! He is an above average athlete with a nice midrange J. Woody tried to make him something he wasn’t. If his best attribute is Drawing fouls and knocking down FT’s at or above an 80% clip THEN WHY WAS HE JUST STANDING IN THE CORNER MIKE WOODSON!
WHY WAS JOSH SMITH STANDING ON THE PEREMETER DURING THE NUMEROUS ISO-JOE SESSIONS WHILE AL WAS THE ONE TRYING TO GAIN REBOUNDING POSITION DOWN LOW MIKE WOODSON? IF AL IS THE BETTER SHOOTER THEN SMOOOVE SHULD’VE BEEN TRYING TO GAIN REBOUNDING POSITON DOWN LOW WHILE AL WAITS FOR AN ISO-JOE PASS ON THE PERIMITER.
ALL HAIL MIKE WOODSON! THE KING OF IDIOTS!
doc
September 10th, 2010
11:15 am
rev, i have been a hawks fan since 1957, that in itself is sad. i think we or the kings have the terrible distinction of going the longest without a championship. i cant cast dispersion on any other fans in the nba, kind of like glass and throwing rocks or something like that. heh heh.
was referring to the blog for the thrashers today of how it is interesting to see how they make ice at phillips. ho hum, eh? at least we have melo to hack abput.
Hmmm
September 10th, 2010
11:17 am
Joe Smith is about to sign with the nets and Noah and the Bulls are working on a five year extension. So I guess that takes the Bulls out of the Carmelo chase.
Hmmm
September 10th, 2010
11:19 am
Making ice? smh i’m not even going to go read it lol.
Rev in Tampa
September 10th, 2010
11:25 am
doc, “if it wern’t for bad luck we’d have no luck at all” – used to have to suffer through He-Haw with my parents when I was young.
vava74
September 10th, 2010
12:02 pm
Hmmm,
Maybe the 5 year extension is part of the trade package necessary for it to work.
Grandad
September 10th, 2010
12:54 pm
Rev
What was wrong with Hee-Haw?
Junior Samples was on the cutting edge of blue collar humor!
Rufus1
September 10th, 2010
12:59 pm
The Hawks 11th in payroll in the NBA…who would have thought that? The way people talk about ASG, I would have thought we have the lowest payroll in the league…When the Bobcats cut Dampier, they will have the tenth highest payroll.(Ranking in attendance 16th)
This is a perfect example of “when a lie becomes a truth”
Grandad
September 10th, 2010
1:14 pm
In all seriousness: (Rev)
For ‘Big Ray’ – We agree on the Hawks *[scouting staff].
*[Pendergraph]
You are so correct;
to me it would be embarrassing – admitting, as an organization
that the kid had to pay his own way.
Had it not been for LD’s dogged persistence, we most likely
would not have even drafted the young man much less bought out
his contract to bring him over.
Rod f C.P.
Acknowledging your statement “the fact that he is clumsy” [Marv].
Seems to me like hangin’ out closer to the rim, accentuates the
positives while minimizing his clumsiness.
doc
September 10th, 2010
1:58 pm
rufus, truth is, it is more the league than what the hawks have done in terms of spending. they have moved form 22nd last year to maybe ten this year without paying anything more.
Rufus1
September 10th, 2010
2:49 pm
Doc
To me its seems the other 11 teams gotten smarter, if the Hawks and Thunde can win 50 games while staying under the cap…Why can’t we?
The Truth is…
Those teams look foolish last year. Spending 25-40% more for the same product, is stupid.(When will Dallas? They still won’t win the title)
I believe in the “core”, we were Dominated by 1 team last year.(Magic)
Rufus1
September 10th, 2010
2:50 pm
Enter your comments here
drmaryb (*_*)
September 10th, 2010
3:12 pm
Bargain Shoppers!
doc said, “truth is, it is more the league than what the hawks have done in terms of spending. they have moved form 22nd last year to maybe ten this year without paying anything more.”
That is a very astute observation. ASKG looks pretty smart now, after all
the spending, only one team WINS. So. Beach will soon learn that you can not
buy a Championship Trophy.
Rondo
September 10th, 2010
3:21 pm
The Heat brought a championship when they got Shaq and the the Celtics got a title when they purchased KG.
JoJo the Godfather
September 10th, 2010
3:55 pm
Any numbers being mentioned on that Noah extension? I had heard a week or so back, that 5 yrs $60M was offered. Is Noah worth $12M a year? Will Noah ever be more than 10 & 10 with solid defense?
dukester
September 10th, 2010
3:57 pm
My thing is as organization and Cunningham I am charging you also at least write that the hawks are interested in Carmelo. I mean for crying out loud can I at least get hyped about seeing on the front of the sports page that the Hawks are at least interested in Carmelo Anthony. I mean you could sell more papers get more hits on the website. Write 5 things about how it would help our city and our franchise. We really dont have a superstar since Vick left. Come on man tell some lies the other writers do it all the time trying to hype their cities. At least make ASG come out say “we dont want to disturb our core” to piss us off even more. Come on send Marvin,Crawford, and a 1st round pick.
Rondo
September 10th, 2010
3:58 pm
L.D.’s offense is the same offense that eddie jordan ran with the Wizards. I know that the hawks have better players than the wizards, but there really isn’t no reason to be hyped up by these changes. Iso-Joe and Iso-Jamal gave the Hawk’s one of the top offenses in the nba so don’t expect Drew to abandon it. What is now great, is the fact, that the Hawks have multiple looks that they can throw at teams. If the team continues to buy in to these changes, expect the Hawks to be a tough out in the playoffs.
Rondo
September 10th, 2010
4:08 pm
Noah is overated and over-hyped and now the FRAUD is over-payed.
doc
September 10th, 2010
4:30 pm
no rufus and dmb, go back and look at the salary structure for teams that win in this league, i mean WIN the trophy, not get close in one year like the thunder did last year or the hornets did recently. it is not the teams that stay under the cap. beach has done something amazing as they have held the line while having three superstars. we dont know if they win or not but are pretty darn close. incidetally there is a very short spread around us so we may be 10th but little separates us from the next six or seven is my guess.
meanwhile, look at the teams that are spending ahead of us; boston, l a and orlando (miami with shaq and wade) among others. are they stupid for wanting a championship? yes, they in a sense buy it but it is what it is. it will be interesting if the nba comes up with a hard cap rather than a soft one as it is with the “tax” after the next cba to even out the marbles so to speak. until then, you either spend to get the trophy or not. yes, you can spend foolishly as isiah did in new york but there are no teams recently that have not spent and gotten to the promised land.
rufus, we were lauded for getting there under cap. portland and the thunder have done better but did it as well because they chose more wisely than we did while trying to accomplish this without spending. again, NO ONE has ever won the championship using this model. the bulls tried it when mj left and failed miserably with the twin towers. the spurs won it in a similar way with robinson and duncan after robinson was out for a year but didnt break it all down to nothing. it got them fortuitously into the championship contender category but it was not on the cheap either as they spent over tax.
doc
September 10th, 2010
4:42 pm
how timely, riles says to his detractors, “get a life”.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjB_TrCW1.jZHtrEAIPKK1U5nYcB?slug=ap-heat-riley
drmaryb (*_*)
September 10th, 2010
4:49 pm
Rondo
I posted u up twice re: buying psuiedo Championships.
But the black-hole ate my posts.
I will try later, gotta’ go pay some bills now.
-smile-
drmaryb (*_*)
September 10th, 2010
4:52 pm
Go Riley Go!
doc … There Goes That Man!
Riling up the haters!
doc
September 10th, 2010
5:01 pm
dmb, riles thrives on it, smartly so. the guy was a thief this summer. sure did shut us down from going after any big dogs. we saw the writing on the wall.
jason
September 10th, 2010
5:08 pm
read this and tell me what you think. Larry Drew recently told FoxSportsSouth.com “When I got the job, one of the first things that I spoke to Rick Sund about was bringing in a big guy — a guy that would be a kind of a natural banger.”
“Natural Banger” might be the most accurate way to describe Etan Thomas. Coach Drew saw that first hand when he was an assistant with the Washington Wizards during Thomas’ rookie season. He is hoping the physical style of play will be contagious through the Hawks frontcourt.
Let’s face it, Al Horford hasn’t had to go against a body like Thomas’ in practice since he was drafted. Solomon Jones, Joe Smith and Randolph Morris are all recent teammates that are over 6’10″, but all of them would rather avoid contact than initiate it. Then there is Zaza. Big Z has perfected the art of running into people, but stand him up next to Etan Thomas and tell me which one you would take in an arm wrestling contest. Zaza’s physicality will get under Dwight Howard’s skin, but Thomas’ could wear him down.
This is the latest tweak in the Larry Drew approach to taking the Hawks to the next level. So far we have 1) more movement on offense, 2) more ball pressure on defense, and 3) more “banging” inside. Something tells me that if Drew has his way Hawks opponents will be sore the next morning.
This style also requires a deep bench and great conditioning. I see Chattin Hill, the Hawks Strenght & Conditioning Coordinator, getting plenty of face time with the players during training camp. Word is that the players have been put on notice that they are expected to enter camp ready to hit the ground running
BBgenie
September 10th, 2010
5:26 pm
Let’s tell the truth! If Joe Johnson doesn’t Lead on Both ends of the floor. We (The Hawks are done)!!!!Does everyone Remember what (Charles Barkley & Hubie Brown) Said: During the Playoffs? The Hawks look like they don’t Like EACH Other! ( During Time Outs) In huddles! Why??????? WE HAVE CHEMSITY ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Period! Joe & Smooth can not Co-exisit on the same Team. They don’t like each other! We can’t BLAME Woody for that!! LD Good Luck! PS. Word on the street is: Both Bibby & Joe, Hate the Fact that JC1 had the Green light to shoot the Ball. We Need LEADERSHIP ON THE FLOOR, DURING GAMES. Not a Bunch of Rich Ass Prim-a-Donna’s in the Locker room Crying, Whinning, pointing fingers & HEARTLESS, Guttless Punks!! Give me the Dream, instead of the Chumps!!!
Michael (buttbreath) Cunningham
September 10th, 2010
5:27 pm
Al will back up josh who is the better power forward, clearly and Al will get minutes at the 5. After we address Als contract in oct he will be traded in december and we will get a real center and turn this falling ball club back in the right direction. What a dunce of an Idea to address and good offense over a awful defense. What are they thinking. defense wins games idiots.
Michael (buttbreath) Cunningham
September 10th, 2010
5:28 pm
BTW Ive only had 3 guys take me up on the free a s s e offer…. so in case any one else is interested
FREE BUTT
Clyde
September 10th, 2010
5:40 pm
Is Joe’s girl having her baby shower at Magic City?
O'Brien
September 10th, 2010
5:42 pm
JoJo,
I don’t think Noah is worth 5 years $60 mil, especially With a new CBA next season. The Max I would offer him is 5 years $50 mil (or maybe 4 years, $44 mil, given his injury history).
northcyde
September 10th, 2010
5:44 pm
@ JoJo . . . doesn’t that also describe Al Horford? Because I bet if you offered Horford for Noah straight up, Chicago wouldn’t do it . . . nor would its fans approve of it.
@ Ken . . . I never look at something from a one dimensional point of view. That’s why I added that even if Noah had to be dealt for Melo, the Bulls would still have a hell of a trio to construct the team around in the form of Rose, Boozer, and Melo.
With Noah, they’re better defensively. With Melo, they’re much better offensively. Add the fact that they have a guy coaching them that basically ran the defense for the Celtics . . and added a top 7 PF in Boozer, it’s not hard to see why people think the Bulls will improve dramaticaly even without Melo.
In the end, I sincerely hope you are spot on with everything you’ve said this summer. If you’re right, the Hawks are going to be a joy to watch this season, just like they were last season ( up until things fell apart in the playoffs ).
It’ll be interesting to see what your reaction will be, if the Hawks lose 3 out of 4 games at any given time. Will your reaction be one of calmness and patience . . or will it be one of frustration and anger, like it was last year?
truthspitter
September 10th, 2010
5:54 pm
Marvin Williams is a thief. He is also a liar so is that “Dumb Sund of a GM”. Sund claims he talked to Marvin about stepping up and taking over games before given him that new contract and look at what he did last year. Take a step back, what a coward lying thief. He should do the right thing and give the money back.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/shaun_powell/10/23/marvin.williams/index.html
Clyde: why are you worrying about Joe’s personal life. You probably can’t even buy a piece. STFU.
Ken Strickland
September 10th, 2010
6:10 pm
NORTHCYDE-I hope I’m spot on as well my friend.
Ken Strickland
September 10th, 2010
6:21 pm
No matter how much confidence I have in my projections and predictions abut LDrew, JTeague, the Hawks, and all of the other Eastern Conference teams, it’s still boils down to nothing more than speculation. Virtually all that we offer boils down to opinions and speculations, but some are certainly more informed than others.
I have a lot of faith in this yrs team, as well as HC LDrew and his staff, so I hope I’m right about everything. I strongly feel the Hawks will finish as one of the top 3 Eastern Conference teams, with a good chance of finishing #1. We certainly had enough on the court leadership and talent to have a good season last yr, despite our PG and SF issues.
I think the much improved leadership we’ll have on the bench, especially the expanded role and participation of the coaching staff, will go a long way to elevating the attitudes and commitment of the entire team.
northcyde
September 10th, 2010
7:06 pm
LOL @ a baby shower at Magic City . . .
Gifts:
- Black and pink ( girl ) or black and silver ( boy ) baby pajamas with the Magic City logo on it.
- ( for mama ) a credit card reader with the Atlanta Hawks logo on it, to put on her thigh
- ( for mama ) a Joe Johnson “freakum” jersey dress for her to work in
- a baby bed in the shape of a circular stage, with a toy DJ on the side yelling insults to the baby about not tippin.
- some Enfamil ( baby formula ) in a Hennessey bottle
truthspitter
September 10th, 2010
7:12 pm
Why are you chumps so worried about Joe’s personal life? He does just fine on the court. If you want to worry about someone why not try to get Marvin to spend less time playing video games and watching movies, instead he should be playing basketball.
rusty
September 10th, 2010
7:53 pm
yea noah isnt worth 50m but joe is worth 123m. give me a break.
Micheal(free-used-butt)cunningham
September 10th, 2010
8:30 pm
“Drew recently told FoxSportsSouth.com “When I got the job, one of the first things that I spoke to Rick Sund about was bringing in a big guy”
OH we are supposed to get excited about acquiring a back up center to back up our backup power forward who plays center…..?
Whats wrong with this picture?
every body and his momma (including Al Horford) Has been begging Sundofab!tch to get us a starting center, a game changer so we can compete.
You clueless bloggers single out Howard as if he is the only center to control the paint against Horford. The reality is Horford did not, will not and cannot shut down any playoff caliber centers in the NBA. We will never win a championship or get in the championship round with Al and the backups.
The Hawks need a starting center not name A. Ho. and an assertive intelligent point guard. Other than that you are just pissing in the wind…..
Michael(free-used-butt)cunningham
September 10th, 2010
8:31 pm
*Michael(free-used-butt)cunningham
Samuel
September 10th, 2010
8:31 pm
Ken Strickland: “I strongly feel the Hawks will finish as one of the top 3 Eastern Conference teams, with a good chance of finishing #1″.
They have a better chance of making the lottery than finishing #1 in the East. Come on Ken, I know you been in a wet dream every since we got rid of Woody but even you don’t believe that one. You can stop the “Fire Woody” campaign, he’s gone now. Give me a break.
Clyde
September 10th, 2010
8:36 pm
Truthspitter I can buy some. 4X4 and Luomo down in Rio are two of my favorite spots. Looks like the Braves might beat me down there instead of playing in the post season.