Atlanta Hawks: Summer reading: Al, Jamal, Etan and Pape
It's still looking like No. 15 comes before No. 11.
It still doesn’t look like the Hawks are going to offer Jamal Crawford the kind of long-term contract extension he’s looking for, and it still looks like an extension for Al Horford will be GM Rick Sund’s priority when he returns from vacation.
The Hawks can offer Horford an extension that starts in 2011-12 and is worth up to $82 million over five years. The deadline for a deal is Oct. 31.
The incentive for the Hawks to offer Horford the extension is to prevent him from becoming a restricted free agent next summer and signing an offer sheet they’d have to match to keep him. Signing Horford to an extension now would provide cost certainty. It also would provide security for Al, who would get a big-money deal without doing the RFA song-and-dance.
But the uncertainty cuts both ways for the Hawks. The next CBA could be more favorable to owners, and the maximum offer sheet available to Al next summer could be significantly less than $82 million. The same could be true were Al to become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2012.
The potential risk for the Hawks in skipping the extension and letting the market dictate Al’s worth is he might become disgruntled. But I doubt that would happen, as Al seemed to understand it’s just business when I talked to him last: “I really can’t get too caught up in that. I really just have to go out and play. If something happens and I get an extension, great. If it doesn’t, I just have to keep playing and keep getting better.”
The money train just keeps on rolling for the Hawks, with each expenditure maintaining their proverbial “core” but squeezing their resources and roster flexibility. They paid Bibby and Marvin last summer. They paid J.J. this summer. They may have to pay Al now or next summer.
The AJC’s Mark Bradley calls it the increasing price of NBA success. Or, as one NBA exec joked, nothing ever stays the same for a good team because everyone wants to be paid or and nothing ever stays the same for a bad team because everyone is subject to being fired or traded.
Sund’s philosophy plays into this, too. For the most part he lets his employees finish out their contracts before offering new deals (or not). When Sund was Seattle’s GM, Ray Allen had to hit the open market before securing a deal he liked from the Sonics. Rashard Lewis become an unrestricted free agent and ended up in Orlando.
The most recent exception to Sund’s reluctance to extend vets is, of course, the maximum extension offer for J.J. last summer. But J.J. seems to be an exception to Sund’s general rule. Sund has been consistent in his belief that J.J. is a franchise cornerstone whom the Hawks couldn’t allow to walk if they hoped to maintain their momentum. ASG was on board with that sentiment and J.J. got his max deal this summer.
Sund is a Crawford fan, too, and why shouldn’t he be? Jamal made him look smart for swinging that trade, and while it’s not like the Hawks gave up much to get him, it was no sure thing Jamal would work here. It did work–so well, as it turns out, that Crawford had a big year and now is angling for one last big contract. Success is expensive.
As for Jamal’s value on the trade market, I’m told at least three teams inquired about his availability before the pay-me-or-trade-me news came out but were rebuffed by the Hawks. I’ve got to think Sund will try to re-establish those talks now and listen to any other offers that come in. I know there’s some sentiment to just deny Jamal the extension and have him report to camp (and he would), but would it be a good look for the Hawks to have an unhappy camper?
– The Hawks are expected to sign free agent center Etan Thomas within the next few days. The one-year deal would be worth the ninth-year vet’s minimum of $1.2 million, though the league would reimburse the Hawks for any amount above $854,389.
–The report saying Pape Sy reached a buyout agreement with Le Havre is inaccurate. It still could happen, and soon, but there are some significant financial issues to work out.
– Hawks single-game tickets will go on sale Sept. 27.
MC
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Grandad
September 1st, 2010
11:07 pm
SteveW
Here’s your trade that I promised.
Not the one I had in mind.
I’m still studying as to whom I think
may wish to trade for Jamal’s services.
For those who want Melo.
G-dad’s one time offer to Denver for Melo:
Denver gets:
Jamal, Marv, Bibby, Mo, JC2, next yrs #1 pick,
& next years PHX #2 pick.
Hawks get:
Melo & Chauncey
Works on trade machine. *[except for draft picks]
We would have to pick up ‘two’ players to fill 13 man roster.
*a [2] guard
*and another versatle player. [defender]-(small forward)
**also assuming Pape Sy & Etan will be signed as well.
Clyde
September 1st, 2010
11:51 pm
Does the Atlanta Dream have a blog? They are in the Eastern Conference Finals while the Hawks are stuck on stupid. Hell they might bring the city of Atlanta its second major sports championship.
Dam the Hawks I’m getting on the Dream bandwagon.
Roll Tide
Publix
September 1st, 2010
11:53 pm
All of you guys, please stop thinking that Mello would even think about coming to ATL. He is either going to NY, or maybe even LA where he can play with Kobe and compete against MIA.
I can see LA sending Odom and Gasol plus a draft pick to Denver to get Mello, it would also make sense.
We, as I said before, can maybe get Fernandez for Crawford, or possibly even Oden. Portland has too may C’s and Rudy wants to leave.
Sign Thomas, trade Crawford, since Sund messed up by signing JJ. (too late to change, so no sense in talking about it)
Let’s hope that JT will be fine, and that JC2 can really score at the highest level.
Zaza, either needs to step it up, or he needs to go as well.
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
12:02 am
Gimme’ Some!
Obrien said: “To be fair to ZaZa, when he got good consistent minutes, he played much better, so I think he will play better this year under LD.”
Enthusiastic Co-Sign!
O!rien didn’t Zsa play for his Georgia Team and put up like
27 pts 10 rebs earlier this summer. And was qouted as saying,
“I like playing for my country, because, I’m The Man! And, I get starter’s minutes.”
Zsa is like a Cadillac, once he builds up a head of steam – you can’t stop it!
IMO, Zsa Zsa needs more PT than last year. Let him start with the 2nd unit as a team, like Doc played Shrek and Donkey in the Laker Series …
When he sat all the Starters for Rest!
At some point, you have to TRUST the bench as a UNIT to win.
Doc, admitted he had never done that before, and to do it a Finals Series
was, well – Genius!!!
Publix
September 2nd, 2010
12:08 am
Zaza has potential, but he can’t block a shot to save his life. Sometimes looks like Hellen Keller trying to catch flies. I really hope things will change this year for him.
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
12:11 am
No way would I trade Gasol and Odom for ‘Melo if I’m the Lakers! You would instantly destroy your inside game, especially with Bynum so injury prone.
Grandad, we would go into Luxury tax this season, but it may be worth it for that! Would hope ‘Melo would commit to the 3 year deal…
Somebody asked about Jason Collins being waived – I’m not sure, but one of the sportswriters on the ‘net was laughing because JC3 does have a no-trade clause inserted into his 1 year vet minimum contract.
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
12:14 am
Publix
Are you kidding me?
Gasol is NOT going anywhere – anytime soon! He is untouchable and Kobe would cringe if he saw your trade proposal! Lakers don’t need Melo, who
BTW is a high volume scorer! And, there’s only ONE ball in basketball!
Nice Try.
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
12:31 am
If Sund says we are taking the Spurs approach with the salary cap, why don’t we get into luxury tax territory? The Spurs did in ‘05-’06, ‘06-’07, and ‘09-10.
So maybe we will go into Luxury tax for the right player….
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
12:35 am
BTW – For all the people that want Rudy Fernandez for Jamal, why do you want to trade 1 player who doesn’t want to be here for another? Fernandez said he is willing to sit out the next 2 years in order to go to Europe. I want somebody who at least half way wants to be here!
darrell starks
September 2nd, 2010
12:38 am
JOE, MELO, JOSH, HORFORD can beat any nba team and compete with the heat for the eastern conf.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
12:39 am
Publix
I know shopping is a pleasure, but Zsa plays hard on defense.
He decapitates guards and never backs down.
There is more to defense than blocking shots,
Blocks are nice, but so is playing your position and offensive rebounding -
where excels on this team!
Zsa was always sparring from Woodson’s dog house and wasn’t used right last season.
darrell starks
September 2nd, 2010
12:43 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVamC7h59Go
Clyde
September 2nd, 2010
12:45 am
Yall trip me out wit these trade proposals knowing good and well the Hawks ain’t gonna make them happen.
darrell starks
September 2nd, 2010
12:49 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYpKLPdGCDI
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
12:52 am
Clyde – You are probably so correct – but Jamal is the one who is possibly wanting to bolt – so we speculate.
How about this one – Kirelenko for Jamal and Marvin. Move Mo’ down to backup 2, sign Carney to back up 3 and I think you have yourself a very good basketball team, maybe better than now.
And I think the Jazz would possibly do it – Kirelenko will be a FA after this season, and the combination of Deron and Jamal in the backcourt would be deadly. Throw in a young Forward, well, they just might.
And we could probably re-sign Kirelenko for Marvin’s salary next season, because he would be 30 and sort of injury prone. Worth considering.
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
12:53 am
Love – Fest!
Delonte destroyed all that bafoonery on the Cleveland Side – Line Show!
By bucking LeBron’s Mamma on the side!
Noah, called them out for all the shenanigans, and blasted Cleveland for just being Cleveland. Not a damn thing to do there, so, I guess Delonte was bored and Gloria was looking like Beyonce – when the lights went out!
But, I hope LeBron leaves all that foolishness in Cleveland!
The Powder Show is tired, immature and no one wants to see that next year!
I for one, will be watching to see how all that Super Friends
Chemistry – works out in South Beach.
As Elmer Thud says, ” It’s gonna’ be verry, verry inter-westing.”
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
1:07 am
Kirelenko is being talked about on the trading block – Jamal and Marvin for him just fits both squads – the Jazz need a SG, and Marvin would probably be the best SF on the team also.
It’s an East/West trade, so you don’t have to see the guys alot, and don’t hurt your playoff seeding etc.
And Kirelenko would be super in LD’s offense and Conner’s defense. He would make the guys around him better.
A foursome of JJ, Kirelenko, Smoove, and Al would be stout!
And I do think Mo’ Evans and JC2 could take Jamal’s spot fairly well – Mo’ and Carney would def. improve the perimeter defense. And Mo’ would be at his natural position of 2.
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
1:07 am
Stevie – B!
Kirelenko? You said it best – Injury Prone.
He would be ate-up in the physical East!
Besides, we got Josh Smith already, we need some Beef – Cakes, not more Pasta.
Nice Try tho.
Clyde! Enthusiastic Co-Sign! This “AS killer G” ain’t gone’ do nothing!
It takes them 5 months to sign a bench warmer!
Pendergraft talking bout’ a very short list for Etan? And, still negotiating
a 500K buyout for the 53rd pick?
And, we are not rumaging in the bottom Bargin Bin at the Dollar Tree for a 3rd string Center? Then sign the damned contracts already!
What does he call it, when you take 1year to play – “Deal or No Deal”?
Aye … Pendergraft! Do Something – Already … So we can’t stop with these silly trade proposals and go on vacation too!
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
1:09 am
And I think if you offered Kirelenko a 4 year, 24m deal next year, he might sign it – cheaper than Marvin. If not, you still have your MLE or draft picks to get another SF.
Grandad
September 2nd, 2010
1:12 am
Publix
Gasol is the best Big man in basketball.
-Yes-
Better than DH.
-Why-
Would LAL trade him.
If you go by positions,
Gasol is one of the five best players in the game.
Surely you mis-spoke.
Clyde:
I don’t even want Melo.
I just do trades for fun.
Everyone seems to be on the Melo kick right now.
Chauncey…..he’s a different story.
We need him.
SteveW
I’ve got a doozy for you comin’ soon.
Maybe next blog?
Before anyone says anything:
[1] D.Rose, D.Williams (tie)
[2] Kobe
[3] Durant
[4] Gasol
[5] D.Howard [nosed out Duncan]
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
1:36 am
* rummaging in the bottom of the Bargain Bin? ..
darrell starks
September 2nd, 2010
1:36 am
If the hawks had and owner like arthur blanks then they could go after melo, but since asg has this limitive under the law and order of a thinking matter then there lost as and organization not understanding the difference between a star player or just some ordinary joe.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
September 2nd, 2010
1:40 am
MY TOP FIVE PLAYER
PG CP3
SG D WADE
SF LEBRON
PF AMARE STOUDEMIRE
C SUPERMAN
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
1:45 am
G-Daddy!
Hello Baby, You must be Butter, ‘cauz You’re on a Roll!
How are you? I’ve missed talking to you. I haven’t really felt like blogging all that much. I’m just ready for the season to start a- that’s all.
Clyde
September 2nd, 2010
2:54 am
Roll Tide
drmaryb (*_*)
September 2nd, 2010
3:43 am
Box of Rocks!
The Atlanta Spirit Killer Group is like a Box of Rocks!
You put 8 rocks in a box, and what do you have going on?
Not a damned thing!
A Rock Show!
JoJo the Godfather
September 2nd, 2010
5:48 am
I’m hoping that the Thomas signing gets put on hold while a Crawford trade is explored…No need to sit two veteran bigs every game if Sund can find another in return for Ja Craw…Signing Thomas, possibly Sy, and getting two players in return for Crawford puts us at the roster max of 15 too.
Also, for those saying that Portland is loaded at center…We’ve got to remember that Pryz is injured and isn’t projected to be ready until Nov or Dec, and Oden hasn’t even set a timeline for his return…That team could play several months with Camby and LA as their only experienced bigs.
KevinM
September 2nd, 2010
6:40 am
Darrell Starks, that’s about as close as I could get to explaining this team…..”but since asg has this limitive under the law and order of a thinking matter then there lost as and organization not understanding the difference between a star player or just some ordinary joe.”
The personality of this team and Sund match this statement. We don’t truly want star players here, else, we would have one that rivals Dominique in his day and time. Problem was Dominique, like Joe was a quiet leader, who didn’t lead us to anything other than some competitive games. Dominique to me, was a great talent, but didn’t improve those around him and he didn’t have enough help. Marvin in a Shaq deal? That was probably the only way we were going to get him and Sund couldn’t let go of a core piece.
This team is missing a vocal leader on the court. You have to have someone to face adversity; we don’t have that. LD will have to instill that in 2 short years.
And what drMaryb said: “we need more beef”. That’s putting it clearly in the lap of the ASG who simply won’t go out and I am not asking them to overpay, because they have already done plenty of that……they need to go out and find us a 5 in the mold of a JJ Hickson who can compete.
Someone tell me the one or 2 guys that give Dwight Howard fits? Is it the Celtic frontline and their attitude towards the game? That team will simply play with you mentally when they lack the talent.
Leon Powe and Perkins were excellent at doing that…now they have Big Baby, Shaq and Perkins come playoff time. They have proven they can finish 4th and compete for the title. The mold of the ASG has not brought us enough beef.
We have to see if there is enough left in Etan Thomas, or if 4 years of inactivity will bring Collins out of his comfort shell. Our frontline needs help in the worse way….
I give Jeff Teague time to grow; we have Bibby and JC1 to hold us over. We know what Marvin can do, and he doesn’t like the paint. His talent could help in there, but if Woody were holding him back, we would know it already. I said the same thing about Shellhead; as much as I depised his affiliation with Duke, I was willing to see what he could do for us….oops! I was too optimistic.
I have been too optimistic and that stopped once we bottomed out for the 2nd straight year. Reminds me of the Lenny Wilkins days.
KevinM
September 2nd, 2010
6:53 am
O’Brien, you made my point about the insistence of this organization staying under the cap, but bringing bad signings into the equation.
The only ones that make sense from a value standpoint are Smoove and Zaza…Zaza being on the fringe. He still costs less than Gadzuric and the one who took his job in Milwaukee…gadzooks! He’s making 7.2M with the Warriors now….yes, put Zaza on that list.
That’s the only two that Sund has signed that makes sense…rookies don’t count. So you have a lot of mistakes within a 67M budget. Lots of wasted $$ for a 1st round playoff contender.
Again, I say let Al and JC1 play out this year, let the CBA work out the new rules and salary levels and then let Al and JC1 come back and then ask for their money. Chances are the numbers will be much lower….so no issue this year.
Then let the speculation begin, and put the pawns out there and let them worry where their next mega deal is coming from. We can match any Al offer, and if JC1 truly wants to be elsewhere, someone can come and offer something of value.
As much as I hated to watch Smoove go thru it, it was the right decision and the ASG/Sund were correct on at least one signing on this roster.
O'Brien
September 2nd, 2010
7:39 am
drmaryb,
When ZaZa played for his country and he went up against Gortat, ZaZa dominated him. And we have seen ZaZa’s fire from the Boston playoff series.
We saw him get into it with Woody last year, so I think he tuned Woody out too. IMO, ZaZa will be another player who performs better under LD.
Ramon,
IMO, 3 years, $21 mil for Jamal would be really good value. However, given the makeup of this team (the starting SG makes $16 mil +, and we just drfated a potential Jamal 2.0 in Jordan), and the fact that the ASG wants to stay under luxury tax, I just dont think we can afford him.
KevinM,
If Rick wants to let Al play out the year and see what the new CBA brings, I am cool with that. Either way, I hope Rick is communicating with Al’s people to let them know where he stands, because I dont want any hard feelings from Al.
Fundamentals
September 2nd, 2010
7:46 am
To me it all comes down to whether Al wants to be here or not. We’ll have the $$ to sign him, whether it puts us in LT land or not. Signing Jamal is just whether you decide that now or then. I love Jamal, but he plays no D. Mo is suffering b/c he plays out of position. If we move Crawford for a very sericeable SF or C we instantly improve this team. Moving JC1 also allows room for Sy and JC2 to be experimented with. If we keep JC1 we need to move Mo and Bibby to open up room.
As for ZaZa it’s a niche thing. He was in Woodson’s doghouse all year. He thinks he’s a starter. He’s grumpy with decent backup minutes. He will play hard if he has a clearly defined role where he feels like a real contributor. Maybe LD will do as he said and start ZaZa some nights to go big. Can’t hurt. I think his effort is definintely linked to a lack of a defined role.
Same thing applies to Mo and Marvin. Give them a defined niche and use them. They can be serviceable starters who have the potential to really surprise you. Notice their impact on nights when Joe is out and they’re counted on. They usually put up big numbers.
Also, Rudy F fits the same mold. To get him we’d have to clear out JC1, Bibby and maybe even Mo to allow enough minutes for this guy to be happy. He wants minutes, not Europe. He thinks he can be a starter or at leaast 6th man candidate. Portland thinks he’s Mo Evans.
Buddy Grizzard
September 2nd, 2010
8:07 am
LOL… Rashard Lewis to Orlando for a second rounder. Now granted, I would never have given Lewis a max contract but damn… Sund’s history of trading rotation players for second round picks goes way back.
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The Truth
September 2nd, 2010
9:21 am
Etan Thomas’ manager Carlisle Sealy confirms the 6-foot-10 will take physicals for the Atlanta Hawks on Thursday.
http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0yNUxFKi4
The Truth
September 2nd, 2010
9:23 am
Pending results of physicals, Thomas will be signing Friday morning at the latest.
http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0yNVdity2
King Teezo
September 2nd, 2010
9:27 am
I think all these contract issues with JJ, Crawford, and Horford reflect Sund n what type of GM he is…I don’t think he looks out for the team and what’s best for them (present and future), look at SEA, there is no Sonics, not saying it was his fault, but he was the GM and had everything to do with team personel…
Now ATL, this core of players have been together for about 6yrs, that is more than enough time to see what you have, this team just isn’t built for a championship, its just time to break the team up and get value for what players you can to put a team together that trusts each other b/c I can honestly say that I don’t think these Hawks players don’t trust each other…Real Hawks fans, like myself, are tired of seeing the same ole thing and I’m pretty sure the players are tired of seeing the same faces ending with the same results, that messes with you mentally…
Seems to me he derails a team more than build them up…He makes minimal moves, but the moves he does make are so important to the team that it makes or breaks their chances of being contenders…He likes to be average and not good or great, is what I’m getting from this…The whole ATL management (ASG and Sund) need to put in the middle of the court and let the fans throw basketballs at em all day long for this mismanagement…Peace…
KevinM
September 2nd, 2010
9:51 am
King Teezo, I agree, it is hard to keep spending your more than ever before hard earned cash and plucking it down to watch this same core do what we know their limits show. The 2 playoff runs convinced me of their limit. There is no excuse as all of them have been to that level before…to not win one game? To not defend your home court? To take plays off during the playoffs? Inexcusable and no one on that roster should have gotten a raise…I don’t care what the repurcussions are.
Had Joe walked, I know there are those who would have complained about it, but it would have opened up a world of choices within a stricken cap. IMO, watching LBJ leave Cleveland…this team would not have been struck as bad.
I think Sund is showing all his cards now; this is going to be his core 3…….Al/Smoove/Joe…..IMO, not good enough..there is an imbalance of strengths here.
One of our 2 PFs should go; fill the void at PG or C. Then go about your business and depend on your reserves. There should not be one guy who is at an untradeable level.
LD will not be the disciplinarian nor the offensive guru he is being touted as….there isn’t nothing that has pointed to his ‘genius’ as a leader….he will have his ups and downs and I have to accept it…but you don’t get a 2 year trial run if you are the only choice that makes sense.
Me, I would have rather had Patrick Ewing come in here and given us some of the Orlando Magic knowledge than Woody’s lieutenant.
I will take my medicine should LD exceed my expectations. But you are dealing with the same group…..JC1, Powell, Sy, and Thomas don’t count in this equation.
Keep trying to entice us ASG with your hawks ’secure your seats’ plan on the radio….what could possibly be the enticement here? Maybe LD and the guys doing a ‘core’ hug banner would do the trick.
Like my boss at work says, if you’re not with us, I don’t want you here.
I’ll sit this year out thank you.
Dr. Warren
September 2nd, 2010
9:55 am
What I see ending badly is any trade scenario involving Crawford. This being Atlanta, and them being the Hawks/ASG, I am sure we will get fleeced.
KevinM
September 2nd, 2010
9:55 am
Food for thought on resigning JC1:
The current active 6MOY award winners in recent memory:
2008-09 Jason Terry Dallas Mavericks
2007-08 Manu Ginobili San Antonio Spurs
2006-07 Leandro Barbosa Phoenix Suns (now Toronto)
2005-06 Mike Miller Memphis Grizzlies (now Miami)
2004-05 Ben Gordon Chicago Bulls (now Detroit)
2003-04 Antawn Jamison Dallas Mavericks (now Cleveland)
The last 3 winners are the only ones still with their current team.
I see a change of address coming up for JC1 based on impact alone to this team and since he has 1 year left, I play it out with him. JC2 wiil have to step up.
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
10:23 am
Drmaryb – How about Jamal, Marvin, and a 1st pick next year for Kirelenko and Feresenko (Utah should sign him any day now – RFA). There’s your beef! All 7-1 300+ lbs. of him.
Of course, the only reason I’m talking about trading Jamal BTW is if he wants to be traded. If we are able to re-sign him – I would prefer him here.
Rufus1
September 2nd, 2010
10:44 am
6 years
if we had 2 different coaches, with 2 different styles I would be feed-up with “CORE” also. We had the same coach with no offensive identity working to put square pegs in round holes.
Would you consistently trust Marvin to take someone of the dribble?
Would you consistently put your worst jump shooter on the perimeter?
Would you consistently ask your center to guard PG?
Would you consistently avoid exploiting mismatches?
These are the things are coach did for 6 years, the Hawks need a different coach to evaluate their talent. ASG thinks are talent was wasted and they made the wrong decision to fire BK instead of Woody.
I believe BK want to hire Drew 3 years ago, when he tried to fire Woody. This team looks like the DREAM BK wanted when he started. He probably built this team thinking DREW would run the Offense and Woody would be the “Defensive expert”…Woody had other plans…ISO, ISO, ISO.
ARE PLAYERS DON’T KNOW HOW TO SET A SIMPLE PICK, AFTER 6 YEARS UNDER THE SAME COACH….AMAZING!!!!
Sleepy
September 2nd, 2010
10:47 am
@ Section 303 Yes jamal is better than Flip its not even a valid discussion at this point as Flip is not even in the league if we cut jamal today is there any doubt that every playoff team in the league would be blowing up his phone .
@Rufus sorry Jr Smith is not jamal Crawford and most teams want nothing to do with Jr Smith even the Nuggets are regretting giving him the 3 year extension because theyve found out he is exactly who everyone said he was … a headcase who while extremely talented you cant trust not if you want to play for a title .
Korver vs Crawford ? What ? Outlaw ? LOL huh !! Morrow ? this is a like an episode if punked none of those players are anywhere near the caliber of player that jamal Crawford is .
I dont get the we drafted Jordan Crawford so now hes on the level of Crawford ? Now Hawk fans are basically trying to convince themselves that what Crawford brings is easily replaceable when we all know that it couldnt be further from the truth .
I dont even even know if Im really behind even offering him an extension but I do know all these reasons Im hearing for how he didnt help improve our team and how late first rd picks or Mo even as is now suddenly going to replace is are pipe dreams .
I think that with no additions and bringing Crawford back we may be able to stand ground in the east but I have serious doubts about that because Im not sure that Josh and Joe have the mental makeup to bounce back from the Orlando series and now we have a rookie coach . I have a feeling that we are gonna learn the hard way that you dont tinker with with something on the edge of a cliff .
@King teezo – I agree that anyone can see the the starting lineup of the hawks has gone as far as it can go and instead of them signing Bibby,Marvin,and Zaza to one year contracts and making them prove they were gonna get better he locked us into a mess.
I have no problem dealing Crawford it just seems that Crawford is clearly not the only move we should be making . We are gonna lose the 6th man of the year to keep Bibby and Marvin who are basically done being major contributors to the Hawks success.
This is not what teams who hope to improve on a #4 finish in the conference would do . This is what teams who try and play with the big boys and found out they dont have enough money so they try and stick around but eventually it will catch up to you as your lack of funds wont allow you to be able to get into the places they will be going so you are always just standing around at the door watching the rich stay rich while also watching the poorer guys who made better decisions than you climb the ladder and pass you.
MsDee
September 2nd, 2010
11:07 am
Even though Larry Drew is a rookie coach, I dont see him as a ‘rookie coach’ simply because he has been with the Hawks for 6 long years! The only way he is truly valued as a ‘rookie coach’ is if he was hired to another team, other than the Hawks!
Also, I LOVE Jamal and everything about him, his actions on and off the court, his intellectual way of talking in interviews, etc..I will miss him but I do believe he is our best bet to getting Chauncey Billups here along with a SF other than Mo Evans. Dont know much about trade rules/machines/engines or whatever, but all I know is I want Chauncey and a SF!
rusty
September 2nd, 2010
11:23 am
how the hell is jj worth 124m for 6yr while jc is worth only 50m for 6 yr. is jj really that much better. i dont think so & we also know he is a choker
JoJo the Godfather
September 2nd, 2010
11:33 am
Crawford’s closest comparison from this offseason was John Salmons, who got a 4yr $32M deal, with a 5th yr $7M team option…With Jamal making $10M this year, that means that roughly a 3 yr $21M extension would give him equal value…I think that’s fair, but the Hawks do not need to be the team to give it to him…He should be traded while his value is at its highest (expiring contract) in order to balance out this roster.
Rufus1
September 2nd, 2010
11:43 am
@Sleepy…10mil a year elite players don’t get traded 4 times.
JR Smith is and equal players to Jamal and Jamal has been known to have an attitude problem. The point remains, Jamal was overpaid by the Knicks. These players are younger with the same skill set and make 3-5mil per less. Jamal value as an ISO player is HIGH, but as a defender and playmaker is very, very, very, low.
If Jamal averaged 12pts,5ast and was a solid defender, he would be more highly valued. Jamal’s value is about points…points will be easiest to replace on the team. The Hawks need a PG playmaker and additional size.
HE IS A 5-7mil PLAYER AT BEST…AND THE GUY THAT 7MIL A YEAR IS 6′9 AND YOUNGER.
PS. Go back and watch the 4th qt of the Cavs and Magic games and then tell me he is worth 10mil a year.
rusty
September 2nd, 2010
11:44 am
it just makes me sick that we gave all of that money to jj & now cant pay jj. i would have been much happier bringing salmons here for half the money we gave jj. we would have gotten a hell of a more competitive player. i really think that jc is a much better offensive player than joe ( shooter & passer) & jj is way overrated as a defensive player
Rufus1
September 2nd, 2010
11:52 am
@Rusty
In this NBA JJ is worth 20mil a years. He is our best scorer, best ast guy and defender. He is the 3rd best SG in the NBA.
If Bosh is worth 20mil a year. If Boozer is worth 16mil a Year. If Amari is worth 20mil a year. If Rudy Gay is worth 16mil a year…..JJ is worth 20mil a year.(22pts, 5rbs and 5ast)
JJ isn’t injury prone. JJ is our best defender(something Amari, Bosh and Boozer could learn to do).
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
12:32 pm
Now if we can’t sign Jamal, and it’s very possible we cannot, maybe ASG would go into luxury tax next season with:
Jamal, JC2, and 2 1st picks for Iggy from the Sixers. Then move Mo’ to the 2 spot, and Marvin backs up Iggy.
And yes I know Mo’ is not the player Jamal is. But I do think we underrate Mo’s defense. I think he would bring much more defensive intensity to the wing than Jamal. But of course, he’s not the player Jamal is – that’s why Jamal makes 10.8m per, and Mo’ makes 2.5m per.
If the Sixers want to rebuild, they clear cap space with Jamal, and get 3 more young players. But I would guess ASG wouldn’t go into luxury tax for that deal – maybe not any deal.
SteveW
September 2nd, 2010
12:34 pm
Jamal and Bibby for Mo’ Williams and Daniel Gibson? At least then we solve our PG problem. And Gibson, Mo’, and JC2 could fill in some of the void for Jamal at the backup 2 spot.