Atlanta Hawks: Summer reading: Al, Jamal, Etan and Pape

It's looking like No. 15 comes before No. 11.

It's still looking like No. 15 comes before No. 11.

It still doesn’t look like the Hawks are going to offer Jamal Crawford the kind of long-term contract extension he’s looking for, and it still looks like an extension for Al Horford will be GM Rick Sund’s priority when he returns from vacation.

The Hawks can offer Horford an extension that starts in 2011-12 and is worth up to $82 million over five years. The deadline for a deal is Oct. 31.

The incentive for the Hawks to offer Horford the extension is to prevent him from becoming a restricted free agent next summer and signing an offer sheet they’d have to match to keep him. Signing Horford to an extension now would provide cost certainty. It also would provide security for Al, who would get a big-money deal without doing the RFA song-and-dance.

But the uncertainty cuts both ways for the Hawks. The next CBA could be more favorable to owners, and the maximum offer sheet available to Al next summer could be significantly less than $82 million. The same could be true were Al to become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2012.

The potential risk for the Hawks in skipping the extension and letting the market dictate Al’s worth is he might become disgruntled. But I doubt that would happen, as Al seemed to understand it’s just business when I talked to him last: “I really can’t get too caught up in that. I really just have to go out and play. If something happens and I get an extension, great. If it doesn’t, I just have to keep playing and keep getting better.”

The money train just keeps on rolling for the Hawks, with each expenditure maintaining their proverbial “core” but squeezing their resources and roster flexibility. They paid Bibby and Marvin last summer. They paid J.J. this summer. They may have to pay Al now or next summer.

The AJC’s Mark Bradley calls it the increasing price of NBA success. Or, as one NBA exec joked, nothing ever stays the same for a good team because everyone wants to be paid or and nothing ever stays the same for a bad team because everyone is subject to being fired or traded.

Sund’s philosophy plays into this, too. For the most part he lets his employees finish out their contracts before offering new deals (or not). When Sund was Seattle’s GM, Ray Allen had to hit the open market before securing a deal he liked from the Sonics. Rashard Lewis become an unrestricted free agent and ended up in Orlando.

The most recent exception to Sund’s reluctance to extend vets is, of course, the maximum extension offer for J.J. last summer. But J.J. seems to be an exception to Sund’s general rule. Sund has been consistent in his belief that J.J. is a franchise cornerstone whom the Hawks couldn’t allow to walk if they hoped to maintain their momentum. ASG was on board with that sentiment and J.J. got his max deal this summer.

Sund is a Crawford fan, too, and why shouldn’t he be? Jamal made him look smart for swinging that trade, and while it’s not like the Hawks gave up much to get him, it was no sure thing Jamal would work here. It did work–so well, as it turns out, that Crawford had a big year and now is angling for one last big contract. Success is expensive.

As for Jamal’s value on the trade market, I’m told at least three teams inquired about his availability before the pay-me-or-trade-me news came out but were rebuffed by the Hawks. I’ve got to think Sund will try to re-establish those talks now and listen to any other offers that come in. I know there’s some sentiment to just deny Jamal the extension and have him report to camp (and he would), but would it be a good look for the Hawks to have an unhappy camper?

– The Hawks are expected to sign free agent center Etan Thomas within the next few days. The one-year deal would be worth the ninth-year vet’s minimum of $1.2 million, though the league would reimburse the Hawks for any amount above $854,389.

–The report saying Pape Sy reached a buyout agreement with Le Havre is inaccurate. It still could happen, and soon, but there are some significant financial issues to work out.

– Hawks single-game tickets will go on sale Sept. 27.

MC

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The Truth

September 1st, 2010
1:12 am

I think the Hawks will be in a “no-win” situation with Jamal regardless of their decision. If they trade him, it could be bad PR considering the positive impact he has had on the team and how well he has gel with the fans. In fact, to some fans, he may be more popular then JJ considering how JJ snubbed us in the playoff while Jamal played his heart out in a losing effort. Jamal has expressed a fondness for the Hawks and the city which contradicts the negative perception of Hawks and this town around the league. On the other hand, if you extend him a contract, as some have already mention, it could potentially create an unbalance team if Jordan Crawford becomes legit and gets unhappy due to a lack of PT. But, if Jordon development becomes slower then expected, then rewarding Jamal an extended contract would be the best move but likely an expensive luxury tax move.

Also, trading Jamal for some other player(s) for equal value could be costly and a setback as well since the Hawks have nearly maxed out their cap space with the expected additions of Thomas and possibly Pape Sy. So any new contracts from the Jamal trade would add more salaries beyond the current year if it’s not expiring. Again, they end up in the forbidden luxury tax land. However, if the new player’s contract is similar to Jamal’s expiring contract, then this would beg the question, what did they gain? They are now in the same situation as they were with Jamal. Surely the Hawks wouldn’t resign the new player because it would clearly contradict their rational for moving Jamal (as a business budgetary matter only) and not about any team improvements. Thus they would have traded a vital impact player for nothing in return.

The only glimmer of a reasonable scenario in trading Jamal would involve obtaining a similar expiring contract, a 1st round pick and more TPE. This would net us something for his services and set the stage for moving Marvin if he doesn’t pan out.

northcyde

September 1st, 2010
1:37 am

cp . . I believe Mr. Strickland was talking about Zaza.

cp

September 1st, 2010
1:58 am

Ahh you’re correct northcyde. My bad Ken Strick i see now. Still, Zaza was terrible last year. He has to get it together this year because the other back up bigs are very ehhhhh

Clyde

September 1st, 2010
2:10 am

Lets not forget we gave Zaza a new contract 2 years ago. It seems to me that the Hawks give new contracts to people that don’t do sh## but release those that produce.

THE TRUTH

September 1st, 2010
4:00 am

@MC how about this..melo and balkman for jamal and marvin…im thinkin mo evans in there also if not he can back up melo..sign ethan and even take achance at signiin iverson he is in atlanta workin out has there been any talk on him???…this lineup looks good

AL HORFORD—J.COLLINS/ZAZA/ETHAN THOMAS
JOSH SMITH—J. POWELL/BALKMAN
CARMELO—- (maybe mo)
JJ— IVERSON/JC2
MIKE—-JEFF T.

O'Brien

September 1st, 2010
7:38 am

cp,

To be fair to ZaZa, when he got good consistent minutes, he played much better, so I think he will play better this year under LD.

I’m with you on the Boone signing though. Ethan is a bigger body and possibly a better C/F, but with all the injuries he has had, its a huge risk.

And we are also taking a risk on Jason Collins, hoping he will put the cheeseburgers down. I hope it works out for the Hawks, but aince we were virtually injury free last year, I can’t help but be concerned.

Ken S,

I know you’re being optimistic, and I am too. But I think you’re getting carried away talking about Jordan Crawford and Pape Sy playing “excellent” defense.

I think its too early to make that comment just because they looked good in summer league.

terrell

September 1st, 2010
7:53 am

Pendegraph said there was not one player in the mid to late 1st rd who could help the Hawks this year, but yet they’re talking about bringing Pape Sy over? Doesn’t make any sense. I’ll believe it when I see it. Guess he meant to say there’s no one in the 1st rd that could help us, but there’s someone in the 2nd. lol!

robdawg08

September 1st, 2010
8:05 am

So Jamal is an unhappy camper ? What’s he unhappy about ? He’s under contract for this year. He can worry about next year after this season is over. I hate all these players wanting extensions or “Trade me”. I’d trade every one of them that came out to the media with this “Trade me or sign me longer crap”.

Can’t wait to get Etan and his 10 minutes & 2 points per game… Who cares ?

Fundamentals

September 1st, 2010
8:21 am

No real news of yet. Sy and Thomas are still just rumors. I’m intrigued by Jamal’s decision. It gives us a chance to see someone put real vocal pressure on ASG to see what they’ll do. It puts Sund on the spot to make something happen. Is luxury tax worth the risk? Would Jamal play out his deal hoping for a better one after the season? Would we get a decent value for him in the form of a SF, PG or C? Are some of the chemistry issues related to Joe/Jamal as suspected earlier? If so will ASG dump Jamal to make Joe happy? Too many questions and no one to really give us answers? We just sit and wait.

GeeMack

September 1st, 2010
8:48 am

SteveW

August 31st, 2010
9:14 pm
How about Jamal and Bibby for Mo’ Williams and Daniel Gibson from the Cavs? Trade Machine says it works, and –

We would also inherit their disappearing acts in the playoffs. A problem we already have with JJ and Marvin. It’s bad enough 2 players disappeared let along a potenial of 4 if we get those 2 players.

Astro Joe

September 1st, 2010
9:00 am

It appears that the only way a member of the Sacred Core gets to leave Sund Island is if they make enough of a fuss. Otherwise, the sick love-affair with a roster that taps out in 4 2nd round playoffs games, stays in tact. I wonder if Sund has a Status Quo target built into his employment contract with the ASG?

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KevinM

September 1st, 2010
10:04 am

Najeh -”I can understand the sentiment to let Al go out and find his own deal like Smoove, but to be fair, Al means a lot more to this team than Marvin, and not extending him the formality that Marvin got wouldn’t look good”. Wait, Najeh, shouldn’t you have compared the value of Smoove to Al over Marvin, because we see Marvin getting the royal treatment for whatever reason I have yet to see.
There are guys out there more serviceable than Marvin and making 2/3 less.

Are you saying that the Hawks admittedly made a mistake by forcing Smoove to go get his own deal before matching it?
The point I was making is that the only contract that has made sense has been the Smoove contract. For a team cap-stricken, you have to balance out all your pawns. Sund and the ASG are not doing that. They aren’t getting the most bang for the buck and could do better…that is all I am saying. It would have been interesting to see what Marvin would have been worth on the open market and Bibby’s prior contract made him look like an easy decision. I still have hopes that Zaza will do something, anything, more consistently.

And yes, with the CBA talks coming, I can see giving Al an offer, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was David Lee level. What is working against the ASG and Sund is that they say they are going to bring in help, yet pull their handful of ‘vet minimum cards’ out EVERY stinkin’ year and we are supposed to buy into that as the way to fill a roster with worthy bodies.
Collins just doesn’t do anything / Randolph Morris was a huge disappointment to me/Mario West is :45 of chaos….Joe Smith….a good locker room guy who had no chance of getting minutes and probably didn’t deserve any…..now we have Etan Thomas and what’s left of his health…I can’t wait to hear about he and Collins giving Horford all he can handle in practice, then come in and draw 2 fouls in 2 min.
The key to this team and will always be for as long as they are here are Mo/Bibby/Zaza….what you got out of them last year wasn’t worth anywhere near what they made as a unit.
It still blows my mind to see the numbers they gave to Marvin without any threat of him leaving…and then had the nerve to make Smoove sweat out the Philly offer that never happened (I bet Philly regrets that one every day), and then Memphis finally saves Sund’s hide.

Now we are expecting great things from our draft picks with the gritty defense they bring. I have never heard of JC2 playing defense of any magnitude and the Frenchman is just an athlete at this point….did you see his numbers last year?

A new season, a new reason to be optimistic…….

KevinM

September 1st, 2010
10:08 am

I don’t see anyone discussing the CBA agreement and how that relates to how it impacts salaries going forward.
Does it look like the ASG is trying to get LT deals done so they don’t have to worry about these guys once any agreement is reached?
The Al and Jamal contracts are 2 that would be 2 good test cases for this team if and when it is determined what the new player salary structure is…and we all know its not going to be the same as it is today. The owners have continued to be stupid and now will have to force major changes.

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RED

September 1st, 2010
10:54 am

trade jamal for DIAW/MARION/KEVIN MARTIN

RED

September 1st, 2010
11:11 am

or jamal for HINRICH then marvin for TRAVIS OUTLAW

O'Brien

September 1st, 2010
1:11 pm

KevinM,

I think the most Al could sign for is 5 years, $82 mil. And if Rick offers him an extension, I think it will be in the 5 years, $65 – $70 mil range.

IMO, Josh’s contract is good value, ZaZa’s contract is ok too, and Bibby’s yearly salary is ok. My only complaint with the Bibby deal is we gave him a 3rd year guaranteed. It should have been a third year team option.

I do think we handled the Marvin situation wrong. We should have let him go find an offer, because based on teams who had salary cap space, and teams who were looking for a starting SF, Marvin would not have had many options.

However, if Marvin steps his game up and goes back to averaging 14 and 6, and playing more consistent defense, his contract could turn out to be good value.

Sleepy

September 1st, 2010
1:19 pm

Typical hawks dump the 6th man of the year and try and replace him with Flip Murray ROFLMAO the guy doesnt even have a team now .

Its gonna be hard to move Crawford for someone that can help us more than he can

I think Jamal is upset because he was under the impression that the Hawks wanted him around longterm thats why Sund asked him to remove his opt out before trading for him . If Sund doesnt ask him to remove his opt out Crawford gets a fat new deal from someone else on July 1st and we couldve matched or let him walk .

Now that he sees he isnt in our longterm plans he decides to to try and at least have a say in where and when he is dealt as opposed to waiting around for us to send him to places unknown .

I think Jamal truly wants to be a Hawk longterm but if we dont want him longterm he wants to go to a team that does.

I dont think it has anything to do with the players or coach its about Sund showing up at jamals house and making him think he was interested in Crawford being a hawk longterm and now MAYBE he is backing out after seeing the Marvin ,Bibby,and Zaza signing turn into disasters he knows jamal is the only chip we have worth anything and he wants to put him into play in February.

SteveW

September 1st, 2010
1:21 pm

GeeMack – I understand – but if Jamal wants to go, those 2 guys fit perfectly contract wise and need wise.

Mo’ is currently a better PG than Bibby

Evans, JC2, and Gibson could split time backing up JJ

We could sign Carney to back up Marvin, helping our wing D

Next season, Gibson would take Bibby’s contract spot, at 2m less, giving us some roster flexibility. And he could take some pressure off JC2 while he continues to develop.

I just don’t know who else can get for Jamal’s contract. Mo’s expires just like Jamal’s, so it’s really a wash. And if you wanted to make a trade at the deadline, Mo’ makes 2m less this season than Jamal, so you have some more cap flexibility. All I’m sayin’

Whatever trade makes the team better and fits, that’s what I’m for.

SteveW

September 1st, 2010
1:22 pm

And if Jamal doesn’t want to be here, I say oblige him – get him out. Same with any of the players, I only want guys who want to be here.

Section 303

September 1st, 2010
1:35 pm

Sleepy, try and watch the games before you cut on Flip Murray. That guy is a good ballplayer. The Hawks were not exactly terrible with Flip on the team. And, I betting you would not have seen him just roll over and quit like almost all the other Hawks in the Orlando series.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 1st, 2010
1:35 pm

Big & Tall!

Marvin is Big and Tall … Shouldn’t he be a PF?

northcyde

September 1st, 2010
2:12 pm

Like others have said, this is a business decision for Jamal. If Horford is the priority, Jamal may get less from the Hawks, than he’ll get from some other team. He’s not at the mindset yet of taking a pay cut to play for a winner.

If he can go somewhere else now, and prove his worth, that team may be more likely to give him a big money deal next summer. But here in ATL, he simply may be used as either trade bait at midseason, or be let go altogether at the end of the year.

Re-signing Horford and Crawford means the Hawks are a luxury tax team, because I doubt that Jamal is going to come back to us on the cheap. So until this ownership group changes its mindset on spending, we will always make decisions based more on the budget, than on what may actually be in the best interest of the team.

The commitment, in their eyes, probably has to be two-fold. If they spend more, they want the fans to come out more. LOL . . but I don’t think neither side trust each other.

James

September 1st, 2010
2:17 pm

Hawks should trade Jamal Crawford and Josh Smith for Carmelo Anthony.

Hawks Roster:

PG – Mike Bibby
SG – Joe Johnson
SF – Carmelo Anthony
PF – Al Horford
C – Etan Thomas

It looks like we will have Etan Thomas while we will be weak at that position we will still have other good players to make up for that weakness.

Sleepy

September 1st, 2010
2:39 pm

@ Section 303 Flip is a fringe nba player who is almost always a camp invite trying to ply his way onto a team . Hes a last resort anyone who is counting on him to replace jamals production is nutz .

We have 4 “givens ” on this team right now JJ,AL,Josh,Jamal

EVERYONE ELSE IS SUSPECT AND A ???? THAT INCLUDES THE COACH.

This team will probably struggle even with everyone back but if you start tinkering at the top of the lineup especially with fringe nba players the difference will be unmistakable .

northcyde

September 1st, 2010
2:49 pm

Section 303 . . . it’s not an issue that these guys “quit”. They simply couldn’t get it done. And in 08 – 09, Flip played horrible during the playoffs. I think he shot something like 32% FG, lower than the 36% that Jamal shot in last year’s playoffs.

Flip is a decent player. But he’s another guy that, once he got away from Woody and the ISO offense, struggled to play at the level that he did in ATL in other places.

Personally, I’m all for giving Jordan Crawford a shot to fill the backup SG role, instead of bringing Flip back, if a Crawford trade for ( hopefully ) a QUALITY big man goes down.

For college players, I personally look at guys who took NBA type shots in college. That is, if you were good at creating and making your own shot in college, that skill usually translates to the NBA. Guys who are “catch and shoot” guys in a college system, are more likely to fail on the NBA level, especially if they’re not the focal point of the offense.

That’s why a college superstar like Adam Morrison fails on the NBA level. He’s not going to have an NBA offense designed around his offensive strengths. So if he can’t create his own shot, his destiny is to be no more than a sporadically used “catch and shoot” guy.

Jordan took AND MADE NBA caliber shots while at Xavier. This gives him an advantage over the high scoring “catch and shoot” college superstar. And if Jordan proves that he can play both the 1 and the 2, I think he could possibly handle a Flip-like role on this team.

James

September 1st, 2010
3:06 pm

We will have a big three if we get Carmelo Anthony. (Joe Johnson, Carmelo Anthony & Al Horford).

GT Alum

September 1st, 2010
3:12 pm

So, is a new blog coming, or did the AJC just put up a different link to this blog to drive more traffic here?

Fundamentals

September 1st, 2010
3:19 pm

He often does this when there’s supposedly news. Same blog, same crap, no real developments. Thanks MC for keeping us in the loop! %$##@#%!%#

Fundamentals

September 1st, 2010
3:26 pm

If we keep Jamal we need to deal Mo and Bibby to give us slots to sign what we need – SF & C.

Section 303

September 1st, 2010
3:27 pm

northcyde, come on…the Hawks quit in the Orlando series. They did. That was a pathetic effort. I could give many examples to back my point. Thinking about those games makes me want to never watch a Hawks game again, though. So, I won’t.

I can live with losing. Can’t take not trying. Hoping the Hawks get off to a fast start, so the bad taste of that series can begin to leave my mouth.

Section 303

September 1st, 2010
3:29 pm

northcyde & Sleepy, we are going to have to agree to disagree on Flip. I would love to have him back. The Hawks are in a desperate need for tough guys. Filp is a bada$$. Love that guy. I was sad to see him go.

I like Jamal Crawford a lot, too, by the way. I just do not think he really wants to be here anymore.

ryan

September 1st, 2010
3:30 pm

Mello ’s wife can jump start her music career with LA Reed and Def Jam South .

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drmaryb (*_*)

September 1st, 2010
4:02 pm

Go West Cowboy!

Delonte West-G-Timberwolves

Delonte West, waived last month by the Timberwolves, is reportedly set to sign a non-guaranteed deal with the Celtics.

West was a useful fantasy player during his first stint with the Celtics, but he’s not likely to accumulate much fantasy value as a backup guard in Boston. It’s also worth noting that he’ll be suspended for the first 10 games of the season due to last year’s arrest on weapons charges.

Source: ⁠Boston Herald
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Ramon

September 1st, 2010
4:06 pm

Here is the question: Can JC truly expect to get more than John Salmons? If any GM gives him more than 7-8 million a year, they will regret down the road. I’d offer JC a 3 year deal for around 25 million. If he doesn’t accept that, then he should go ahead and pack his bags. However, I would not trade him to any team that is in the Eastern Conference, UNLESS its Toronto, and I’m getting back Hedo possibly, or its Orlando and I’m getting Vince back.

Ramon

September 1st, 2010
4:07 pm

@ Drmaryb, someone better tell the Celtics to hide their mothers. lol

drmaryb (*_*)

September 1st, 2010
4:44 pm

West – Cyde!

Ramon

West Side is the Best Side …that fool is straight up certifiable.
Did you see that KFC you tube clip of dude free-styling while waiting on his
$55 Double-Down order. I think that order was for him and Gloria James.

Notice the Boston deal is non-guaranteed.
Dude is Bobby Brown Bipolar! He need some Weed & Hennesay.

What is Boston thinking? The got Rondo and Donkey.

GeeMack

September 1st, 2010
4:53 pm

This Boston 1st unit; PP, Rando, Ray, KG & Shaq 2nd Unit; Nate, Delonte, Wafer, Big Baby, & J O’neal (Perkins and Daniels still on the bench.

The 2nd unit alone would win 20 games if they were starters in the east.

Rufus1

September 1st, 2010
6:02 pm

Is JAMAL a better player than JR Smith?

JR SMith make 6mil a year….Kykle Korver 5mil a year. The player are GREAT shooter, but play no DEFENSE, Jamal’s market is about 5-6 mil(don’t forget Bibby 6mil a year).

Travis Outlaw 7mil(But younger)

He has already been over paid for his skill set, offer him a 2 year 10mil deal….If he doesn’t like it, get his money of the books.

He should have asked in the begining of the summer, we could have approached Anthony Morrow(4mil)

Rufus1

September 1st, 2010
6:02 pm

* These Players*

Sautee

September 1st, 2010
6:30 pm

Sec 303,

While I totally agree that Flip is tough as nails, he’s also a turnover machine. He’s rated 184th among all players in assist to turnover ratio.

Let me say that again: One Hundred Eighty Fourth in the league. That’s not good enough, despite the toughness.

That’s not even worthy of the league minimum in my opinion. And I DO like Flip’s game, but just say no to TO’s.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 1st, 2010
6:30 pm

“Najeh -”I can understand the sentiment to let Al go out and find his own deal like Smoove, but to be fair, Al means a lot more to this team than Marvin, and not extending him the formality that Marvin got wouldn’t look good”. Wait, Najeh, shouldn’t you have compared the value of Smoove to Al over Marvin, because we see Marvin getting the royal treatment for whatever reason I have yet to see.”

I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out that if the Hawks tell Al to go find his own deal after bidding against themselves for Marvin, it wouldn’t send a good message to Al and they would run the risk of p-ssing him off. The approach they took with Smoove is what they should have taken with Marvin.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 1st, 2010
6:33 pm

“Mo’s expires just like Jamal’s, so it’s really a wash. ”

Not true. Mo Williams has a player option for the next two seasons for $8.5 million a piece, and unless he thinks he can make more on the open market he will not be opting out. Boobie Gibson has one year left after this year and a team option for the year after that.

Najeh Davenpoop

September 1st, 2010
6:37 pm

“Flip is a decent player. But he’s another guy that, once he got away from Woody and the ISO offense, struggled to play at the level that he did in ATL in other places.”

To be fair, he was the undisputed #1 scorer off the bench when he was here (kinda like Jamal Crawford is now), which allowed him to have the ball in his hands a lot more often than he did in Charlotte and Chicago where there were other scorers off the bench with whom he had to compete. Earlier in his career when he was with Seattle and Cleveland he put up similar numbers to what he had in Atlanta. Flip is one of those players who has to have the ball in his hands at least some of the time in order to have the maximum possible impact.

The Truth

September 1st, 2010
7:27 pm

This reasoning of not offering Jamal an extension makes some sense. However, to win a championship (if that is the goal), quality depth is required. Any team that would potentially pay out nearly 80% of their cap to their starters and expect to win a championship is really playing in the fantasy league. Go Figure!

Horford’s extension would spell doom for Jamal Crawford’s extension demand but I have never thought that the Hawks would be offering Crawford another contract in the first place. That isn’t a slight at him or any of his accomplishments while in Atlanta. It is just that the team is committed to another shooting guard and really can’t afford to go any deeper at that position.

cp

September 1st, 2010
9:06 pm

Well at least Young Buck is out of his contract.

SteveW

September 1st, 2010
9:59 pm

Najeh – you are so correct on Mo’s contract – I got his numbers off of hoopshype, an guess the light blue for player option didn’t register with my eyes. Espn Trade Machine says it’s only 2 years, not 3 – but researching the net, it does look like 3 more years – blows that trade to smitherins unless we plan on luxury tax next year – I doubt it!

P.S. I gotta man up when I’m wrong! I’m wrong

Fundamentals

September 1st, 2010
10:07 pm

How many minutes can Etan realistically put up? All we need is D at C for 10-12 minutes. Is he reliable for that? Is Collins money guaranteed or can we waive him as other teams do for better talent, should it come along?