Atlanta Hawks: Jamal Crawford wants trade if Hawks don’t extend his contract
Crawford wants out of Atlanta if he doesn't get an extension.
Jamal Crawford has told the Hawks he wants to be traded before the 2010-11 season if the team doesn’t offer a contract extension to his liking, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
Crawford, whose current contract expires after the season, asked the Hawks for an extension last month but has yet to receive an answer from the team. If Atlanta balks at offering Crawford what he considers an extension reflecting his market value then he would rather play elsewhere for the final season of his contract, according to the person familiar with the circumstances.
The person did not want to be identified because neither Crawford nor the Hawks have commented on his desire for an extension. Hawks GM Rick Sund, who is on vacation, declined comment tonight through a team spokesman.
Sund’s practice has been to not extend contracts for veteran players who aren’t on their rookie-scale contracts.
Crawford, 30, will make $10.1 million in 2010-11. The Hawks acquired him in a trade with Golden State last summer and he thrived in a reserve role, often finishing games alongside Joe Johnson.
Crawford averaged 18 points during the regular season and 16.3 in the playoffs, both second on the team behind Johnson. Members of the media voted Crawford the league’s Sixth Man of the Year.
According to the person familiar with the situation, Crawford prefers to stay in Atlanta after he qualified for the playoffs for the first time in his 11 NBA seasons. But without a long-term commitment from the Hawks Crawford doesn’t want to play out the final season of his contract in Atlanta, the person said.
The Hawks may not have the financial will to add an extension for Crawford to their future salary commitments.
Signing Crawford to a large extension would likely push the Hawks’ 2010-11 payroll above the salary cap. Atlanta has about $50 million in salaries committed to 2011-12, including $18 million for Johnson and $12.4 million for forward Josh Smith.
In addition to those committed salaries, the Hawks might need to maintain flexibility to retain All-Star center Al Horford. Atlanta can work out a contract extension with Horford by November; if not, he would become a restricted free agent next season and could sign an offer sheet with another team that the Hawks would have the right to match.
If the Hawks decide to trade Crawford, they likely wouldn’t have much trouble finding good value in return. His scoring ability and expiring contract make him a valuable asset for teams seeking a talented shooting guard and/or salary relief following the season.
Crawford is seeking a contract extension while his value is high, but the uncertainty surrounding the expiring collective bargaining agreement and deals signed by other top sixth men also likely are contributing to his urgency.
The current labor agreement expires after the 2010-11 season and owners are seeking major concessions from players for the new CBA. If Crawford becomes a free agent next summer, he could be facing more restrictive contract rules under the new labor deal.
In determining his market value, Crawford is likely looking to contracts signed by fellow veteran reserve guards Manu Ginobili, Jason Terry and Ben Gordon.
Ginobili, who turned 33 last month, signed a three-year extension with San Antonio in April that’s worth about $39 million. Terry was 29 when Dallas signed him to a free-agent contract for $57 million over six years. And Gordon was 26 when he signed with Detroit last summer for five years and $58 million with a player option for the final season.
MC
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STRETCH
August 27th, 2010
9:11 pm
UNO!
CONFEDERATE DAWG
August 27th, 2010
9:14 pm
DAMN HAWKS COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN. WE AINT GOT BRON OR DHOW. THATS THE BREAKS…. JUST KEEP TRYING HAWKS. I ENJOY OUR TEAM JUST HURTS WHEN THAT LAST TEAM WOMPS US.
ONELOVE GA
STRETCH
August 27th, 2010
9:14 pm
Now that that is out of the way, this answers the Hawks big man problem if Sund and Jamal dont come to an agreement! I really think Jordan C can step in and fill Jamals roll next season. IMO…they need to move Jamal(as much as i hate to see him go) while he(6th man of the year) still has value!
Zach
August 27th, 2010
9:15 pm
well that’s not good.
James
August 27th, 2010
9:17 pm
Hit the road Jamal. We got Jordan to replace this guy. Way to burn bridges you douchebag.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 27th, 2010
9:18 pm
The only logical explanation for this SG-rich team drafting Jordan Crawford was that they would use Jamal’s $10 million expiring contract for trade bait. I’d expect to see Jamal get traded, maybe not before the season starts, but definitely before the trade deadline.
Whether or not the Hawks manage to trade him for players who are actually useful remains to be seen.
BC
August 27th, 2010
9:18 pm
Goodbye
mike
August 27th, 2010
9:20 pm
great. we have absolutely no money. hope jordan crawford really steps it up in camp
Sara
August 27th, 2010
9:20 pm
Man I don’t want to see Jamal go.
chuckw/deadjournalist
August 27th, 2010
9:21 pm
paging flip murray
beone
August 27th, 2010
9:22 pm
Trade him for a Center and be done with it. Then get a defensive minded wing and we are good to go. IF Drew’s offense works as planned, iso Craw will not be needed anyway.
James
August 27th, 2010
9:23 pm
No need to get emotionally attach to the player. He was a two year player for us. His contract demands fall way behind those of Al Horford. Horford is looking at a 5 or 6 yr deal of about $70-$80 Mil. You can thank the Warriors and David Lee for that.
truthspitter
August 27th, 2010
9:32 pm
Bye, I knew he was a selfish problem, that’s why he has been traded a million times already. The only problem with this is that the Hawks have to sign Al next summer so they are not going to take back a contract for Jamal. Meaning, they will have to package Jamal with some other guys on the team or just get back another expiring contract.
I would like to see
Hawks get: Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler
Knicks get: Jamal and Mo
The Knicks were supposedly offering Chandler for Rudy Fernandez meaning they are looking for SG help. Jamal gives that and we get a SF who can push Marvin out of town, plus all 4 guys have expiring contracts.
Section 303
August 27th, 2010
9:34 pm
Najeh, that’s my worry. I would rather Jamal stay here. I like that guy a lot. It makes sense to trade him, though. My worry, like yours, is that the Hawks will screw up a potential deal somehow.
My optimisim for this season fades a little more every day.
Section 303
August 27th, 2010
9:35 pm
truthspitter, if they can get Winston Chandler, I would be really happy. Good, tough player right there. He would be a great add to the roster. Won’t happen, though. It is written in the heavens somewhere that the Hawks are not allowed to make a good trade for a player I like.
STRETCH
August 27th, 2010
9:37 pm
On ESPN Trade Machine: Jamal to Denver for Nene straight up.
Buddy Grizzard
August 27th, 2010
9:38 pm
Let’s review from previous posts…
The bad contract of Joe Johnson has caused the Hawks to trade a lottery pick (Josh Childress) for a second rounder and will force the trade of Jamal Crawford.
doc
August 27th, 2010
9:41 pm
no shame in same huh?
THE TRUTH
August 27th, 2010
9:41 pm
i cant believe some1 juz said amal and mo for eddy curry and wilson chandler come on now……….better trade melo and jr smith for marvin and jamal..yeah i said jr smith
Chris
August 27th, 2010
9:41 pm
Crawford or Horford?
chuckw/deadjournalist
August 27th, 2010
9:42 pm
crawford/evan for chandler/curry works from a salary perspective.
cp
August 27th, 2010
9:43 pm
Yea like a few have already said, finding a trade partner will not be a problem. Making a deal that benefits the Hawks will be the issue. I really believe Jordan Crawford will be able to produce off the bench. I don’t know if he will score as much as Jamal but I can see him averaging double digits off the bench if he is asked to fill that role. Is Flip still available? I don’t think he is as good as Jamal but he can fill it up off the bench.
chuckw/deadjournalist
August 27th, 2010
9:44 pm
my bad truthspitter, i should have refreshed my browser. obviously, i agree that it would be a good “both teams win on paper” trade.
STRETCH
August 27th, 2010
9:44 pm
Also on ESPN Trade Machine, Jamal/Marvin Williams to the Lakers for Artest/Bynum.
FMX
August 27th, 2010
9:45 pm
The contract of Joe Johnson strikes again.
FMX
August 27th, 2010
9:46 pm
Enter your comments here
F the Hawks!!!!!
August 27th, 2010
9:52 pm
……..
F the Hawks!!!!!
August 27th, 2010
9:52 pm
<————-
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2010
9:56 pm
It was pretty obvious that the expiring contract of a SMOY should have been dealt the minute afte Joe was signed. Jamal was an insurance policy for both Bibby (last summer) and Joe (this summer). Time to cash in the policy by acquiring a big. And in Drew’s “defend your man or else” defensive scheme, Jamal will be crippled with splinters.
@MC, I applaud your earlier attempt to glamorize inertia. It was a fine effort. Maybe Crawford will force movement (beyond Josh Powell).
Brett
August 27th, 2010
9:59 pm
I wonder if this has something to do with the locker room chemistry issues? While MC may be happy with the same, apparently Jamal ain’t.
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
10:00 pm
@ AJ: ha . . . it got to the point where i was like, “dang, you write about these dudes like they are a 20-win team.” but of course i understand the lack of optimism among blog people that the Hawks can take another step. it’s not an unreasonable view.
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
10:06 pm
@Brett: “I wonder if this has something to do with the locker room chemistry issues? While MC may be happy with the same, apparently Jamal ain’t.”
haha . . . two problems here.
one is i don’t get happy, sad, mad, glad or anything else about the Hawks because i’m not emotionally attached to the team. second, i’ve chronicled the Hawks’ weaknesses in detail for weeks, in fact did so in an article that is linked in that last blog post, and all i was trying to do was add a splash of positive. it is not meant to be an endorsement of the moves the Hawks did or did not make (not that i would do that, anyway–i’m the beat guy).
i mean, dang.
ryan
August 27th, 2010
10:09 pm
Mello baby Jammal Crawford and Mo Evans pus a 1st rounder through in Marvin Williams .
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2010
10:12 pm
@MC, the first priority of any sports team during the off-season is to maintain and grow their fan base. Even if they have to try and sell them on Amare instead of Lebron or Boozer instead of Wade. Unfortunately, we have SAMENESS as the marketing slogan of the Hawks this summer.
MC, quick question, if the Hawks used the trade exemption acquired in the Childress trade, wouldn’t that put them over the luxury threshold? If so, that means that exemption can’t be used until after next July. It gives Sund about 2-3 weeks to use it before it expires. And there’s this little thing called the CBA that may influence player movement timelines next summer. So what do you think the odds are that we will see a player returned for Childress (when all is said and done)? I’m thinking Josh Smith’s jersey number.
THE TRUTH
August 27th, 2010
10:16 pm
@MC..what you think about jamal and mo for melo and jr smith or marvin and jamal for melo and smith
I Heart Atlanta
August 27th, 2010
10:24 pm
MC I want your Prediction……………
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
10:25 pm
@AJ: definitely not a good marketing summer for the Hawks. as my story i linked noted, they are in the weird position of signing Joe to the biggest contract in the league and the perception (and maybe the reality) is that they did nothing to improve the team. so, as you say, they have nothing to sell.
the trade exception for teams over the cap (not to be confused with the traded player exception) says they can acquire up to 125% plus $100,000 of the salaries they are trading for. the exception means the Hawks can take back 125% plus $100,000 plus the $3 million. they are about $2.7 million below the tax and still need to sign another player. so, whether or not they pay the tax depends on the salaries of the players involved and also which side of the 125% plus $100,000 they are on.
hope that makes sense but i’m afraid it may not.
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
10:26 pm
@ I Heart Atlanta: “MC I want your Prediction”
about . . .?
Tony from Stone Mountain
August 27th, 2010
10:26 pm
The Atlanta Dream upset the number #1 seed! Maybe the Hawks will learn from the woman!
joey
August 27th, 2010
10:26 pm
Enter your comments here
HoosierHawk
August 27th, 2010
10:26 pm
Jamal just had a career season and he doesnt want to be a 6th man if he is on a contract year playing for his next contract. Can’t blame him. But hawks are right to put Al first on priority list.
I normally hate trade machine comments but…
Crawford for Heinrich and Mcgee
Jamal, Bibby, Pachulia, Ecans for C. Kaman and Baron Davis
Jamal for Gortat/ Pietrus (Vince is declining, they could use a god SG even though they have reddick too).
Tony from Stone Mountain
August 27th, 2010
10:27 pm
“Women” lol
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
10:27 pm
@ the truth: “@MC..what you think about jamal and mo for melo and jr smith or marvin and jamal for melo and smith”
i think there is little chance the Hawks take on Smith. i know from talking to people in the organization they are very sensitive to the public image thing. they like that the current group stays out of trouble and doesn’t make bad headlines.
Harry Hawk
August 27th, 2010
10:32 pm
Gee. Jamal Crawford wants more money. I am shocked. Shocked, I say.
Kofi
August 27th, 2010
10:32 pm
Jamal and mo for melo and jr smith? your stupid bro. The nuggets will never make that trade cause its clearly a ripoff for them.
Harry Hawk
August 27th, 2010
10:35 pm
MC,
Not only that. Joe gets the huge contract and he is supposed to have less of the ball, which means that his numbers, the same numbers that got him in position to earn such a big contract, will likely drop.
How many teams have ever given a player so much cash and then asked him to do less?
truthspitter
August 27th, 2010
10:36 pm
People, be serious. Mello would definitely put this team over the luxury threshold and I don’t know if he is worth it because you still are deficient at C and PG. Now if for some reason we could get Mello and Nene without giving up Joe, Josh, or Al do it, but I don’t see that happening. The trade that myself and some others have brought up makes more sense financially and maybe even basketball wise.
Mo and Jamal for Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler. They are all expiring deals which will allow the Hawks to sign Al and stay under luxury cap threshold. They could then move Marvin to Cleveland if Cleveland is still interested.
northcyde
August 27th, 2010
10:43 pm
(( talking like Wesley Snipes to Christopher Williams in the movie “New Jack City” . . after Wesley stabbed Chris in the hand with the sword and tried to choke him out ))
“I never liked you anyway . . . gunnin’ m*tha f**ka”
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
10:44 pm
@ Harry Hawk: “Not only that. Joe gets the huge contract and he is supposed to have less of the ball, which means that his numbers, the same numbers that got him in position to earn such a big contract, will likely drop.”
they are hoping that the net reward will be positive, as in his numbers decline but the team is better because he shares the ball and has more legs for the stretch run. but i know what you are saying.
James
August 27th, 2010
10:46 pm
Hawks should trade Jamal Crawford and Josh Smith to Denver for Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith.
dstdeelite
August 27th, 2010
10:46 pm
Ugh! I knew when ASG threw all that cash at JJ, they’d have issues elsewhere. I like JC, but I’m guessing he’ll be traded soon. I really hate that. He was one of the most consistent on the team. Even more so than the multi-million dollar franchise player. Ugh!!
darrell starks
August 27th, 2010
10:46 pm
It’s a shame ASG are the owners of the hawks me i wish they would sell the team, if any one think a trade for melo is a possibilty then your dreaming, ASG DO NOT WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP THEY ONLY WANT JUST 2 BE GOOD ENOUGH AND NOT LOSE ANY MONEY.
CHEAP OWNER
1.traded from 24 to 26 and 31 2 save a little money by moving from 24 to 26.
2.trade the 31pick for 3mill
3.pick 26, 31, 56, and drafted not 1 big man
4.traded chill the fith best player on the team for a second round 2 save money.
5.didn’t make and offer 2 shaq because felt scared of going over the luxury tax.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
darrell starks
August 27th, 2010
10:50 pm
JAMAL GET YOUR MONEY BRO FROM THESE CHEAP OWNER, and if any one think trading jamal is a good idea must be drinking kool aid, he was the 6 man of the year and won the hawks at least 5 or more games by him self.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
James
August 27th, 2010
10:51 pm
Hawks need to be trying to get Erick Dampier from Charlotte.
James
August 27th, 2010
10:52 pm
I love the city of Atlanta but it’s hard to root for the Hawks when the owners seem to not care about winning a championship they only care about being in the playoffs.
darrell starks
August 27th, 2010
10:55 pm
Can you imagine the second unit of bibby at 5′11 and jc 2 at 6′4 as your back court coming of the bench with moe evans at 6′5 the second unit will be weak.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
James
August 27th, 2010
10:56 pm
Hawks should trade Joe Johnson, Josh Smith & Jamal Crawford to Denver for Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin & J.R. Smith.
This deal works for both teams.
Ramon
August 27th, 2010
10:56 pm
I would definitely be interested in seeing if Denver would entertain a Crawford and Marvin for Billups and Anderson type deal.
newkid
August 27th, 2010
10:58 pm
In another vernacular, a bunch of jive owners and a chump GM deserve…, well never mind.
dstdeelite
August 27th, 2010
11:00 pm
ASG was intent on offering JJ the farm no matter what. Beyond that? Absolutely nothing. I don’t blame JC AT ALL. Why shouldn’t he want to be paid? He can put points on the board like nobody’s business. Oh and get this….he’s also the owner of this thing called a personality.
SN: There is a certain blogger on here that simply blogs for the “shock factor” of his/her comments. I usually read the first few words and move on. Complete waste of time. Seconds of my life that I’ll never get back.
darrell starks
August 27th, 2010
11:04 pm
I have always said that the mosthigh must have been watching over the hawks, because over the past three years they where the healthist team in the nba with no significantly mount of serious injury during the year.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peter
August 27th, 2010
11:11 pm
Just another rich spoiled player…….but after over paying JJ…….why not ask for more !
northcyde
August 27th, 2010
11:11 pm
On the real though . . . Jamal is simply doing what he has to do. The NBA is a business. And for Jamal, he has to try to strike while his stock is at its highest.
When all of these guys are opting out and posturing for extended deals or trades, it was only inevitable that Jamal do the same.
I guess the guy on Hawksquawk, who first told the message this exact story about a month ago ( via an encounter with Sekou Smith in Kroger, of all places ), was right on the money. I guess MC’s source is strong enough for him to officially report this.
As for the ASG . . NOW we’re going to see if they’re a “big boy franchise” or not. They’ve cowered all summer to make an impact move. Now they potentially have one of the best shot creators on the team talking trade if he’s not extended.
This front office is reactive, not proactive. And they’ve been like that since Day 1. Only Billy Knight, and his ballzy move to go all out to bring JJ to Atlanta back in 2005, can be considered a gutzy, risk taking move.
Like I’ve said in the past, trading for Bibby and Crawford were relatively easy, because their teams didn’t want them anymore, and all we had to do is give them expiring contracts to get them. But Sund hasn’t made a risk-taking move since he’s been “the man”.
Horford has to be the priority though. If the ASG gives a contract of more than 7 mill per year to Crawford, I seroiusly think that Horford’s status as a Hawk will be in great jeapordy.
This is why you don’t tip-toe through the offseason. Had we secured Shaq or even Chill, a potential loss of Jamal would be far less concerning. But we don’t have Shaq or Chill . . or anybody else . . and there’s no telling what the ASG will take for Jamal ( cough ) expiring contracts ( cough ).
Jeff and Jordan . . . get ready fellas. You’re potentially about to go right into the fire. We’re skipping the frying pan, and tossing you right in the heat of battle. YOU may be officially our “2nd team”.
Damn shame.
CONFEDERATE DAWG
August 27th, 2010
11:14 pm
ATLEAST WERE BETTER THAN WE WERE…….
northcyde
August 27th, 2010
11:14 pm
And people still want to blame JJ.
News flash for you people . . . Crawford STILL would’ve done this, because he’d still not have a contract going into next summer. With Horford’s signing on the horizon, and with the players we would’ve brought in to replace JJ, this same scenario still plays out.
Jamal wants an extension. And the presence, or lack therof, of Joe Johnson doesn’t stop that process.
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2010
11:19 pm
MC, thanks. So if I understand it, there is NO way they can use the Childress-acquired asset AND remain under the luxury tax (at least not with the current salaries/roster). Or at least, it would be extremely hard to thread that needle.
I Heart Atlanta
August 27th, 2010
11:25 pm
On How the Jamal Crawford siituation will end?
I hope he stays but……..
If he demands to be traded, send him and bibby to denver for Billups and Jr Swish
Whopper Dawg
August 27th, 2010
11:26 pm
So, the strangle hold that the Johnson contract has put upon the Hawks begins. Said another way, we can’t afford to keep together what should have been a first round exit ball club.
This is becoming the epitome of how not to run a franchise.
The slide from the giddiness of getting BEATEN by Boston in 7 continues. What a joke.
CraZyTraDeMaN
August 27th, 2010
11:28 pm
At least the Hawks did something good enough to make a headline. If you dont like your deal keep your mouth shut play it out then leave but, now that you opened your moth with demands I’d trade his ___. Hope they can pull something off decent b/c without Jamal we might only be an 8 seed.
Rufus1
August 27th, 2010
11:28 pm
Trade
The only trade we should make for Jamal is one the Makes the Hawks better at a weakness. The Hawks are strong at SG and Weak at PG and back-up center.
The best trade Crawford for Billips…Billups would bring the thing the Hawks lack the most LEADERSHIP and it is a trade Sund would do.
The 2nd best trade Crawford for Rudy Fernandez and Prizbilla…Rudy would replace Jamal as a shooter and Prizbilla would offer much needed size.
Either trade keeps are “CORE” intact and allows flexibility for next year.
IF THE TRADE DOESN’T IMPROVE WEAKNESS, MAKE HIM PLAYOUT THE YEAR.
truthspitter
August 27th, 2010
11:36 pm
To anyone mentioning Billups he is not worth it at this point. I have been watching the World Championships and he gets beat anytime the opposition cares to beat him. If you watch you will see that.
SteveW
August 27th, 2010
11:40 pm
This is a great scenario, really.
Jamal, Marvin and 2 1st picks for “Melo
Sign Gilder, Hayes, Wilkens, Carney to take Marvin’s spot – behind ‘Melo
Move Mo’ down to 2 behind JJ – where he belongs.
Trade Bibby for Dampier – 2 years MLE
Sign Watson, Johnson etc. to take Bibbs place
Your under luxury tax for this year
You have 4 All Star Caliber players
You have a good bench – Tremendous Frontcourt rotation in Smoove, Al, ZaZa, and now Dampier.
You compete legitimately for a NBA Championship this year – with 3 of your Stars 26 or younger – Can’t lose – do it guys!
Ted Striker
August 27th, 2010
11:41 pm
This is probably JC just listening to his agent — who is in all fairness — earning his keep.
That said, the best tactic for the Hawks is to do nothing right now in regards to a contract until they see how the season plays out. They have the upper hand.
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
11:47 pm
@AJ: they could do it. as an example, normally under the CBA if the Hawks trade with a team over the cap that team can take $5 million in salary and send out $3.65 mil (125% plus $100k). that would carve out an extra 1.3 or so under the tax threshold for the Hawks (5 minus 3.65) , for a total of $4 million under the tax (the 2.7 they already had plus the 1.3 difference in salaries of the traded players). so the Hawks actually could use the full Chills TPE to acquire a second $3 million player and not pay the tax (and also not have to send out a player).
make sense?
SteveW
August 27th, 2010
11:49 pm
Sample team with the above 2 realistic trades:
PG – Teague/Earl Watson
SG – JJ and Mo’ Evans
SF – Carmelo and Jarvis Hayes
PF – Smoove/ZaZa/Powell
C- Horford/Dampier
We’re under the luxury tax for this year
We’re a Championship caliber young team
We enter luxury tax next year, depending on CBA – who knows, they may Grandfather certain things and situations in – like if your not under luxury tax before the new CBA, and don’t sign new players that are more expensive, you can’t be in luxury tax etc.
But we may have to in re-signing Horford
But we may be willing to with an NBA Championship in our grasp…..
Just Do It!
Bluestreak
August 27th, 2010
11:50 pm
I don’t see that JJ’s contract has anything to do with this. Old Crawford would still be demanding a trade, since Sund doesn’t extend contracts other than rookie contracts (as MC noted he doesn’t). Stop blaming JJ and his contract. There would be as much or more screaming if we had let him leave.
Crawford is making a power play. He’ll turn into a legit center so Al can play his natural position. The Hawks need to take advantage of his career year and get what they can for him.
truthspitter
August 27th, 2010
11:50 pm
People you have to look years ahead to gauge luxury tax and Melo would put the Hawks over luxury if we sign him and intend to keep him past this year. He is not worth going over luxury for in the future. He also is not worth giving up Josh or Al for which could keep us under luxury but really make us take a step back on the court because he plays absolutely no defense
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2010
11:52 pm
@ I Heart Atlanta: if Jamal is really intent on not playing out his contract in Atlanta, which seems to be the case, then a trade seems to be the only likely recourse for the Hawks. it’s tough to have an unhappy player around. i think there will be a market for Jamal as long as his demand for an extension doesn’t also apply to his new team, which almost certainly isn’t the case since he has to know that would make a trade 10x more difficult.
no prediction on where he ends up. let’s see what happens.
SteveW
August 27th, 2010
11:54 pm
I like Jamal, as anyone who reads these blogs knows – but a perfect storm is brewing for us to acquire the 1 or 2 pieces we need to be Championship caliber (barring injury).
Boston had to have Kevin Garnett handed to them to win a championship
LA Lakers had to have Pau Gaso handed to them to win a championship
We may have to pay a stiff price to acquire Carmelo – Marvin, Jamal, and 2 1st picks let’s say – and of course ‘Melo has to sign the 3 year extension
But we are then championship caliber – especially if we get Dampier as well.
truthspitter
August 27th, 2010
11:56 pm
Steve: Carmelo does not make us a championship caliber team.
BravesFan79
August 28th, 2010
12:04 am
Anyone thinking a Rookie can replace the shooting that Jamal gives us is WRONG!! He makes us a much stronger team.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:08 am
I don’t particularly like Carmelo’s style of play
He has some weaknesses – Defense only when he wants to, not a good jumper, injured some etc.
He’s the 3rd best SF in the NBA behind LeBron and Durant
He’s only 26
I can overlook his weaknesses because I smell a championship!
Or we can debate Boone, Elson, Skinner, Sy ad infitum and whether we are now the #3 seed or the #6 seed in the East.
I say go for it – win the championship!
Gearon Jr. said he would go into luxury tax for the right player – here you are!
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:14 am
Bravesfan79 – which rookie are you referring to – Jo Crawford? I agree – I would replace Jamal with Mo’ Evans – and sign one of the many decent SF’s to be backup at 3.
Truthspitter – I beg to differ, especially if we acquire another quality big, as Smoove and Al have asked for.
In our lineup we would have:
The 3rd best SF in the NBA
The 4th best SG in the NBA
The 4th best C in the NBA
And the 7th best PF in the NBA
We would have quality wing backups in Jarvis Hayes (for example), Mo’ Evans, and 1 in training with JorCrawford.
We would have a killer Front court Rotation with Smoove, Al, ZaZa, and Dampier
We could beat any team in the League in a 7 game series with our quality depth, and the 4 relentless starters.
The Truth
August 28th, 2010
12:24 am
MC: This statement
“Sund’s practice has been to not extend contracts for veteran players who aren’t on their rookie-scale contracts.”
Didn’t Sund offer JJ an extension? That contract wasn’t his rookie-scale contracts. What am I missing here before I rant.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
12:25 am
Steve: First of all, just because some clowns at Ball Don’t Lie rank them like that does not make it true. I would actually put Joe 3, and Al 2. On the other hand, Carmelo has played with some Hall of Fame guys like A.I. and not gotten it done. He now plays with “Mr. Big Shot” and can’t get it done. I’m sure Denver thought they were loaded with A.I., Kenyon Martin, Nene, and Carmelo. Carmelo is not that good because he doesn’t bring anything defensively.
UGA
August 28th, 2010
12:26 am
I hope we keep him but……..our boy Flip Murray is still available for cheaper.
Timbo
August 28th, 2010
12:27 am
Force Jamal to play or retire, and then trade him at the deadline if he doesn’t retire . . .
bigcalidawg
August 28th, 2010
12:28 am
Who is Wilson Chandler?
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:33 am
Truthspitter – I totally understand your point. But what’s your solution – sign Jamal to an extension?
Trade him realistically for who?
Make him play unhappy here in ATL?
I still think Carmelo makes us a force – and we can move Mo’ to 2
And yes, I’m for re-signing Flip if the conditions were right
And please, no more Rudy Fernandez trades – the guy wants to be in Europe – why trade 1 unhappy player for another?
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
12:34 am
Wilson Chandler is not that much better than Marvin, if at all, and Eddy Curry is flat-out awful in every way shape and form.
mikeyM
August 28th, 2010
12:34 am
Let him play out his contract. If he is slack then it will hurt his options.
ATLPhotog
August 28th, 2010
12:35 am
Ya’ll don’t understand…all this movement is because of the CBA. If CRawford would think his value would skyrocket if he played out that last year and help Hawks get to the Finals (I know, I know). The CBA will be worked out because the league has so much invested in TV, merchandising ,etc. They have to have a deal worked out or they take too big of a marketing hit. (meaning each team)
Owners and execs will make sure that this won’t happen. Players are always fearful when this contract expires because they don’t know what will happen. Think LOGICALLY!!! Jamal take a two year extension if possible, win a championship. Keep the money (cap) available for a BIG. We are extremely close to having the team we need to beat Orlando, Boston and even Miami. The chemistry is there. Let’s hope the coaching and defense will be.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
12:36 am
“Anyone thinking a Rookie can replace the shooting that Jamal gives us is WRONG!! He makes us a much stronger team.”
He doesn’t have to replace what Jamal brings; he just has to come close. I can easily see Jordan putting up 11-12 ppg off the bench if given minutes in the 20s. All the bench scoring doesn’t have to come from one guy.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:37 am
The Knicks and Nets have the cash to spend for Jamal and over pay for his extension – he will be 31 at the end of the season, when SG’s with his skill set tend to dramatically decline.
Maybe the Nets would throw Troy Murphy at us for Jamal….
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:38 am
Najeh – I agree – but even if we thought he was raw – move Mo’ to the 2 and sign Hayes, Carney, Wilkens or somebody at backup 3
ATLPhotog
August 28th, 2010
12:38 am
Either use Marvin as trade bait to get a quality BIG or a productive SF who can bring quality minutes/score and defend.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
12:39 am
“We may have to pay a stiff price to acquire Carmelo – Marvin, Jamal, and 2 1st picks let’s say”
That is not at all a stiff price. Adding Carmelo to the Hawks’ current top 3 makes them, at worst, a conference finals contender, which means those first round picks would be in the mid- to late-20s. If the Hawks can actually manage to get Melo without giving up Smoove or Al they would be idiots not to pull the trigger.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:39 am
Then we could bring JoCrawford along more slowly if needed – and no, I’m not trying to sound like Woody – he was drafted 27th not 19th, 11th etc.
ATLPhotog
August 28th, 2010
12:41 am
Jamal knows most 1st year players have to learn the system and get use to the travel situation. Very few can get a starting role and finish the way Crawford does.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:42 am
Najeh – Co-sign – I’ve been screaming it for days, even before the Jamal story hit.
We have the pieces that the Nuggets are looking for – Draft picks, youth (Marvin) and a very good player – Jamal.
But don’t trade Al or Smoove to get him….
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
12:46 am
“Steve: Carmelo does not make us a championship caliber team.”
He does, however, get the Hawks a lot closer to a title than they are now. They would still have to find a couple of role players — mainly a defensive wing and someone to guard Dwight Howard — in order to be a true title contender, but acquiring Melo would give them the #1 scoring option they don’t currently have. You can’t underrate the significance of that.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:47 am
The Truth – JJ was a Free Agent, his contract was not extended.
Carmelo is wanting an extension, he still has 1 season left.
If Jamal hits the open market after this season, the Nets, or Knicks would most likely vastly overpay for him – look what the Knicks did with Amare and the Nets did with Johan Petro.
And both teams still have tons of cash to spend, and an antsy fan base.
Buddy Grizzard
August 28th, 2010
12:48 am
All I can say is, I hope Sund at least tried to put a package together for Collison.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
12:49 am
“People you have to look years ahead to gauge luxury tax and Melo would put the Hawks over luxury if we sign him and intend to keep him past this year. He is not worth going over luxury for in the future. He also is not worth giving up Josh or Al for which could keep us under luxury but really make us take a step back on the court because he plays absolutely no defense”
Gearon has said he would go over the tax for the right player. There is no question Melo would fill the seats. Seeing as how we are not paying the tax, as long as the owners are OK with it I see no reason why we shouldn’t be.
NUNNA!!
August 28th, 2010
12:50 am
STEVE W.,i like your thinking buddy!!
I do think that melo would be a great fit but i too worry about his health and his “weak a–”defense..But at least we gets da sexy “LALA” here in da atl..and that would make the real housewives of atlanta a more interesting show,lol..sexy a– girl!!
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
12:50 am
Najeh – that’s why I think signing Dampier would be so important, I think he could help defend Dwight.
And there are a ton of good wings left – Gilder, Wilkens, Hayes, Carney etc. All looking like Vet Min. guys.
We are close to being a championship team…1 or 2 smart pieces away.
Again, I co-sign with Najeh.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
12:54 am
Najeh: You usually look at the full situation. Have you been drinking tonite? (LMAO) Wilson Chandler and Curry for Jamal and Mo, I would do Chandler for Jamal straight-up considering SF depth is more of a need for this team than SG depth and Chandler could come off the bench and give you a nice spark while not duplicating your best position like Jamal. We were forced to play Joe, Bibby, and Jamal together for offense sometimes last year. I think Bibby, Joe, and Chandler would be just as good with better defense. Jamal and Bibby should never see the floor together and it was not just Woody, they would have to do the same thing this year at times also
Ramon
August 28th, 2010
12:56 am
Truth, I’m sorry but Carmelo would make this a championship caliber team. JJ, Melo, Josh, and Al is a better four man team than Wade, James, Bosh, and Z when you put the pieces together. Also if that deal was to happen, you’d be surprise what veteran big man you could get to come in for the veteran’s minimum.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:06 am
“Wilson Chandler and Curry for Jamal and Mo, I would do Chandler for Jamal straight-up considering SF depth is more of a need for this team than SG depth and Chandler could come off the bench and give you a nice spark while not duplicating your best position like Jamal. ”
Of course I realize the Hawks have a bigger hole at SF than at SG — I’m just not convinced that based on what I’ve seen Chandler is the guy who will fill that hole. Chandler has always seemed to me like one of those players who is league-average at a lot of things but not particularly good at any one thing. In D’Antoni’s wide open offense he still didn’t put up numbers that were a whole lot more impressive than Marvin’s numbers. I definitely support trading Crawford for a SF who would be a clear upgrade over Marvin. I’m just not convinced Chandler is that guy. I think the Hawks can do a lot better than Chandler in a Crawford trade.
Section 303
August 28th, 2010
1:06 am
Najeh, I don’t agree with you at all on Wilson Chandler. I’ve watched that guy play a lot. He is a tough player and is way more of a factor in most games than Marvin.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:07 am
Ramon: There are no veteran big men out there worth coming, maybe Dampier but considering Bobcats are in our division, if I were them I would make sure not to release him just to block him from the Hawks
Section 303
August 28th, 2010
1:08 am
“Hawks not worried about Jamal Crawford-seeking-trade report. They will offer him extension next week, and confident agreement will follow. “–Sam Amico, via Twitter.
I Heart Atlanta
August 28th, 2010
1:09 am
Appreciate it MC Ur The Best
The Truth
August 28th, 2010
1:10 am
If ownership insists on staying under the L tax, then this idea of pursuing Melo in a Jamal + Marvin trade is nothing but a pipe dream. If they can’t afford to extend Jamal 10M contract, than how in the hell can they afford to pay Melo the dough he is seeking? If Sund is not recommending keeping Jamal, the only cheap and lazy way out is to exchange expiring contract of equal value. Of course such a move would only pissed the fans off even further since Jamal was pivotal in our 53 win season.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:11 am
Najeh: the Hawks are not going over the luxury. So, tell me one guy better than Chandler they can get without being willing to go over the luxury threshold? Just one and please be reasonable. I don’t care what the ASG say they are not going into luxury threshold don’t believe that hype. Now if you can sensibly accept the truth and that is, I repeat, they are not going into luxury tax, give me 1 player better than Chandler that they can get and not go into luxury anytime soon. Meaning this year and next year when they have to resign Al. Just one, 1?
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:13 am
Section 303: The Hawks management are even worse than I thought if they are going into luxury territory to resign Jamal Crawford. So, I will not believe that until I see it
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
1:16 am
Gearon Jr. said we would go over the luxury tax for the right player – stranger things have happened….but I’m not holding my breath.
Ditch Jamal – ditch Marvin – throw in a couple of 1st picks – get ‘Melo, see what happens.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:19 am
“If ownership insists on staying under the L tax, then this idea of pursuing Melo in a Jamal + Marvin trade is nothing but a pipe dream.”
“Najeh: the Hawks are not going over the luxury. ”
Gearon has clearly said he would go over the tax for “the right guy”. Maybe he’s full of sh-t, who knows. But if he is telling the truth, I find it hard to believe one of the top five scorers in the league isn’t “the right guy”.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:19 am
“If somebody came to us tomorrow and said you can have LeBron for max money and it puts you in the luxury tax, I’d do it in a heartbeat,” Gearon told the newspaper on May 19. “But am I going to do that for [Zydrunas] Ilgauskas? Am I going to do it for Jermaine O’Neal? I don’t think so …”
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:24 am
“Najeh: the Hawks are not going over the luxury. So, tell me one guy better than Chandler they can get without being willing to go over the luxury threshold? ”
I proposed one idea a couple of blogs ago, where if Denver trades Melo to someone else, the Hawks trade Crawford and Mo Evans for Chauncey Billups (who has a team option for next season that the Hawks could choose to decline).
Here’s another one — Crawford for Caron Butler straight up. Salaries match, and Butler plays SF.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:27 am
Another reason why Crawford for Caron Butler might work — Rodrigue Beaubois broke his foot a couple of weeks ago and is probably out for at least the start of the NBA season.
Butler’s contract is expiring, so it wouldn’t increase the amount of salary the Hawks would owe.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:30 am
Here’s another one — Crawford and Mo Evans for Tayshaun Prince (expiring) and Ben Wallace (one more year at $2 million after this one).
NUNNA!!
August 28th, 2010
1:30 am
My opinion is that we should have a fire sale and rebuild..
Tradem all ASG!!
I love jamaal,smoove,and especially horford.But,this is the last year that we’ll be able to do anything..
Let Teague and JC2 start at the guards.
Trade Jamaal and Marvin to any low mid or lower record team for draft picks.
Trade Bibbs,next years 1st round pick and Mo to Denver for JR SMITH &Othello Hunter and a 2nd rounder.
Trade Horford to bobcats for Damp and 2 1st round picks over the next 2 years.
Trade Zsa Zsa and his liquor store to a 30 or less win team for their 2nd round pick next year..
Sign Duke Crews..
Resign Joe Smith..
Sign Didier Ilunga-Mbenga to play center off the bench behind Jason Collins..
PG-TEAGUE/WILL BYNUM
SG-JC2/FLIP MURRAY
CENTER-JASON COLLINS/Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
PF-EARL BARRON/JOE SMITH/DUKE CREWS
SF-JOE JOHNSON/KENYON MARTIN&TRINA/OTHELLO HUNTER
YOU GET:
MOTION OFFENSE,WITH THE CAPABILITY OF PLAYING RUN AND GUN AND A HALF COURT GAME TOO…EASILY COACHED PLAYOFF TEAM..12 DEEP..DECENT DEFENSE..DECENT OFFENSE..AND A SLEEPY NUNNA!! THAT WAS FEELING THIS LINEUP A MINUTE AGO AND NOW I AM SAYING,WTF???
GODS NITE YALL
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:30 am
Najeh: I’m not a fan of Butler, he is really a SG in disguise as a SF, and I don’t see Dallas doing that because who then plays SF for them. Chauncey is not good on defense at this point. I watched the World Championships the other day and guys were going past him whenever they choose Bibby style.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:31 am
I’m not necessarily saying the other team would accept these trades, but they are more or less even in terms of talent and they would address current weaknesses of the Hawks’ roster. To me, Crawford for Chandler is a clear downgrade, whereas Crawford for Butler is not. Prince’s stats don’t measure up to Crawford, but his basketball IQ and defensive abilities don’t necessarily show up in the stat sheet.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:32 am
“I’m not a fan of Butler, he is really a SG in disguise as a SF, and I don’t see Dallas doing that because who then plays SF for them.”
Shawn Marion, who unlike Butler is signed to a long term deal. Tim Thomas is also on the roster.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:35 am
Here’s another one — Crawford and Mo Evans for Tayshaun Prince (expiring) and Ben Wallace (one more year at $2 million after this one).
@ Najeh: That’s not a bad trade but I think they would want a draft pick. They are not going anywhere this year. So, they will definitely want some youth out of this. New York on the other hand, they think they can get to the playoffs this year and they reportedly were willing to offer Chandler for Rudy Fernandez. So, they are looking for a SG. Add to that my opinion that Chandler is better than Prince at this point. Prince can’t even stay healthy and they would probably want a pick. Not a better trade than what I proposed IMO
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:38 am
Najeh: I’m glad you are not making draft picks or these moves because I respectively disagree with you on Crawford for Chandler being a clear downgrade. It is a upgrade IMO. Chandler is younger and better fulfills a need.
night hawk
August 28th, 2010
1:40 am
nunna im almost feeling that line up. your guards will be interchangeable just for matchups and if anyone gets into foul trouble.i would start flip and bynum and let the kids come off the bench though.and if your gonna have someone other than a stellar performer starting at center you might want to bring in nazr mohammed.other than that its not a terrible lineup.your not gonna win a champiionship but you can have youth,and experience in a nice mix that could shock some people and maybe even upset a heat team in the 1st round.
not saying it will happen but,just saying
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:44 am
“Najeh: I’m glad you are not making draft picks or these moves because I respectively disagree with you on Crawford for Chandler being a clear downgrade. It is a upgrade IMO. ”
Chandler is a better player than Crawford? How exactly is that?
I’ll admit that I may not have seen enough of Chandler to have a clear picture of him, but I can only go by what I have seen, and I haven’t seen him do anything in a game to really stand out. He seems like another Marvin, a guy with decent athleticism who could theoretically be really good but who in reality doesn’t make much of an impact. Maybe I’m way off in my assessment and he’s actually a quality player, but I still have a hard time seeing him being as good as the reigning SMOY. It’s one thing to say that Crawford for Chandler is a fair deal, but to say it’s a talent upgrade I think is stretching the truth beyond its breaking point.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 28th, 2010
1:45 am
Last year was the first time since his rookie year that Prince didn’t play all 82 games. I don’t think it’s fair to label him as a guy who can’t stay healthy when he went six straight seasons without missing a game.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:48 am
Wilson Chandler would be better fit for Hawks than Jamal Crawford, bottom line IMO. Younger, not one-dimensional, meaning, Chandler gives you the same rebounding Marvin did last year and more points, Crawford gives you points and bad defense, and Chandler will not cost you anything close to $10 million a year going forward.
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
1:51 am
Najeh: youre correct about Prince but I hate to say this. Prince is one of the few players in the world that I would not say is better than Marvin.
Mike10
August 28th, 2010
2:03 am
I say give him an extension he was the key to the Hawks success and one of the most consistant, if they trade him I think they definitely be worst off.Thats why the should have not gave Joe all that money and used some for Jamal/Horford.
Ramon
August 28th, 2010
2:08 am
Here are Three deals for you either Crawford for Harris (NJN) straight up, or Crawford and Bibby for Arenas. And one more, Crawford for D. Jordan (Clippers)
I Heart Atlanta
August 28th, 2010
2:38 am
Realistic option
Pacers get Jamal Crawford
Hawks get D. Jones, James Posey….. Makes us much better defensively
Fresh
August 28th, 2010
2:39 am
“Some of Crawford’s frustration, according to sources, is that the Hawks gave All-Star Johnson a six-year, $119 million contract, but have yet to offer Crawford anything.” – via ESPN
So Jamal don’t like the idea that JJ got a big-time contract and he didn’t…….
Ramon
August 28th, 2010
2:44 am
I heart, that’s not a terrible deal, but how much is owed to Posey?
I Heart Atlanta
August 28th, 2010
2:57 am
Around 7 mil. I believe, and it worked on the NBA trade machine
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
3:50 am
Crawford is garbage and that is disruptive to the team if he is jealous of Joe and what Joe is getting. That is the definition of the hater. I never liked Crawford and I see why
Grumpy
August 28th, 2010
7:00 am
Trade his ungrateful A@@ to Minnesota.
Samuel
August 28th, 2010
7:00 am
That’s what you get for giving- no show Joe Johnson a contract that he didn’t deserve. He got payed like he was an elite player. If you watch the playoffs, you know he can’t carry a team.
Derek
August 28th, 2010
7:25 am
Let’s see how ASG screw this one up. I think it’s fair for Jamal to get what’s coming to him. He is the one person on this team that’s performed worthy of what he’s askng. I plead with you Hawks; please find a way to keep Jamal. You know that we need him and apparently he wants to be here. You have done everything else wrong this offseason. Let’s try to salvage something from this disasterous summer.
Derek
August 28th, 2010
7:26 am
Forgive my grammatical mistake in the first sentence. Should be ” Let’s see how ASG screws this one up.”
STRETCH
August 28th, 2010
7:49 am
SteveW,
I know exactly what you mean, but do the HAWKS know it??? Makes good sense, lets hope they are thinking like we are.
RomeDawg
August 28th, 2010
7:55 am
Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya! I hate the attitudes of athletes. Play out your contract and shut up.
JeJe
August 28th, 2010
8:12 am
WELL WE ALL KNOW THE ASG: WAITING TIL THE ABSOLUTE LAST POSSIBLE SECOND TO GIVE EXTENSIONS. NEVER GIVING AN EXTENSION BEFORE THEY HAVE TO.
ANY IDIOT GM WOULD GIVE HORFORD AN EXTENSION NOW. BUT IDIOT MORON SUND WON’T
GOOD JOB MORON
richham
August 28th, 2010
8:24 am
These pro athletes act like children sometimes. What is the point of signing a contract if you are not going to honor it. The team that trades for him isn’t going to give him a new deal either.
GREED, GREED, GREED!
Hmmm
August 28th, 2010
8:24 am
1st Unit:
Billups
Joe Johnson
Carmelo
J-Smoove
Al Horford
2nd Unit:
Jeff Teague
Jordan Crawford
Pape Sy
Josh Powell
Zaza
Extra:
Jason Collins
(3mill TPE Player)
Hawks will be a legit 2010-11 Title Contender
MAKE IT HAPPEN RICK.
STRETCH
August 28th, 2010
8:26 am
Hmmm,
I LIKE THAT LINEUP!
JeJe
August 28th, 2010
8:33 am
So if Crawford wants to be traded, does he want an extension from the new team or what?
Pathetic that ASG hasn’t even answered his request
Worst front office in sports
Hmmm
August 28th, 2010
8:34 am
Yessir! and all we give up is Crawford, Bibby, Marvin, Mo, and some 1st rounders. It works for both teams as long as Melo agrees to singn an extension in ATL and Denver agrees to offer Jamal an extension or trade him to a team that will. Denver gets a Starting PG with a shorter contract, a Young SF in Marvin, and a decent backup SG/SF in Mo with an expiring contract. How could they not like it? Besides, the Denver post is saying that with the new GM coming in and Melo leaving, the Nuggets will probably trade everybody and rebuild.
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
8:34 am
Sam Amico via Twitter: “Hawks not worried about Jamal Crawford seeking trade report. They will offer him an extension next week, and confident agreement will follow.”
JeJe
August 28th, 2010
8:35 am
MC,
CAN WE PLEASE SIGN DJ MBENGA? HE’D BE AN AMAZING PLAYER TO HAVE. DJ MBENGA IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST TO HAVE. I CAN’T UNDERSTAND ANYONE WHO DOESN’T WANT HIM
JustAThought
August 28th, 2010
8:41 am
I would be cautious about a deal for Melo. He is a UFA after this season, and he is holding the cards in Denver, meaning he and his people have an idea where he will and will not play. Denver managemnet has waited too long to make a move with him. He is calling the shots, and I haven’t heard the hawks mentioned as a team of interest. Denver is going to want Al/Smoove if not both.
pedro el gitano
August 28th, 2010
8:57 am
por favor,retened a crawford a toda costa,es un lujo verle jugar!!!y si se cambia x alguien que sea por carmelo anthony!!!
bwash21
August 28th, 2010
9:01 am
f’him – let him sit out. You have one good year with your new team and put demands out there like this? Your on a playoff team for the first time and this is how you act?
I had respect for him until this. Trade him to Greece for a box of new balls.
hawks_for_life
August 28th, 2010
9:03 am
Because he is garbage?
KP
August 28th, 2010
9:08 am
Rut Ro!!
JustAThought
August 28th, 2010
9:17 am
It amazes me that you guys don’t think that Denver is not going to require in return Al/Smoove in a trade for Melo………………and if I would guess it would be Al .
Spud Webb
August 28th, 2010
9:20 am
Jamal, I have an idea for you. STFU, make your 10 million, play your butt off and then leave. What a flippign baby. Classic NBA player, theres no I in team. I feel HORRIBLE For you, only 10 million???
Spud Webb
August 28th, 2010
9:20 am
Just A thought, you’re correct, one of those two would have to be included for Melo.
Hmmm
August 28th, 2010
9:24 am
JustAThought , Denver doesn’t have any leverage. If Carmelo refuses to sign with them then they have to get some kind of value for him. Just think of it as karma. We got lowballed by PHX for chills so now it’s time for some just desserts.
Even if we do give Jamal an extension, that doesn’t stop us from trading him to Denver for Carmelo. It actually makes it easier to trade him because we won’t have to find a team willing to give him that extension just a team that will accept his longer contract.
Hmmm
August 28th, 2010
9:26 am
With that being said, Carmelo is a high maintenance player who does come with a lot of baggage smh.
Hmmm
August 28th, 2010
9:27 am
If we can just get rid of Bibby/Mo for Billups i’ll be happy.
dub366
August 28th, 2010
9:27 am
Joe need to give up some money if he want Jamal to stay ,but that not going to happen ,because Jamal take the limelight from Joe at time. let’s see how much Joe want to win.
doc
August 28th, 2010
9:29 am
so you trade jamal for melo and think that is an upgrade on attitude?
melo is leaving because of his wife’s work? what if it doesnt work in atl for her? why will atlanta and the hawks be better than denver?
how do you keep al horford and still keep jj and josh with melo?
who is crazy enough to think we can afford that and billups, too?
Hmmm
August 28th, 2010
9:41 am
*slowly raises hand and looks around* LOL
You never know. Oh, what? This is the ASG (-_-)
Dub C
August 28th, 2010
9:42 am
JeJe, I agree with you. I’ve always liked Mbenga. He just needs playing time.
It’s time to get something in return for Crawford, while his stock is high. I don’t think the Hawks will go into luxury territory for him. I think Jo. Crawford provide decent numbers off the bench, but not replace him. Also realize this, we won’t have Woodson there to kill Jo. Crawford’s confidence like he’s done to so many young players we’ve had over the last few years.
Also, we can go get Flip !!!
JerryWest
August 28th, 2010
9:51 am
Flip Murray is available for minimum.
Nick P.
August 28th, 2010
9:54 am
you have to sign this guy, its a no risk extension, he is awesome and in reality will not cost as much as the top tier players! if you can give people like Marvin W. and other unproven commodities millions, surly you can given a proven awesome player like crawford what he needs to stay here. This guy was the leagues best sixth man last year, and is easily a starter on all other teams in the league, come on Hawks, lets not go backwards over money, you are already behind teams like orlando, boston, miami, cant afford to lose jamal and go back wards to 7 or 8 spot in the playoffs assuring a one round exit!
Nick P.
August 28th, 2010
10:00 am
Melo will not ever come to atlanta, so please stop making unrealistic comments, when was the last time a star in the NBA chose atlanta as their team? with the type of ownership we have and frankly what the top teams in the league have, melo will laugh at coming to atlanta!
Jamal canbe easily extended here, but unless we draft a star out of college, we will always attract players like joe j. and josh smith, at best second tier stars, forget about big names here, our history proves this!
bigdave
August 28th, 2010
10:07 am
“Gearon has clearly said he would go over the tax for “the right guy”. Maybe he’s full of sh-t, who knows. ”
i think he and his potna’s have clearly shown the latter to be true.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
10:09 am
Jamal to the Nets for Troy Murphy
The Nets have 4 PF’s – 1 has to go
Salaries match
We have a sick Front Court rotation of Smoove, Al, ZaZa, and Murphy
We make teams play to our strengths like LD said
We move Mo’ to 2, backs up JJ
Sign Jarvis Hayes to back up Marvin
Even sign Flip if you want to assuage Hawks fans, and in a good PR move.
You now have an extremely good team
Al and Smoove are happy with that 1 impact rebounder – over 11+ PG last season
Make that move if you don’t want to try and get ‘Melo
JeJe
August 28th, 2010
10:09 am
GIVING MARVIN AND BIBBY 7.5M AND 6M RESPECTIVELY TO DO NOTHING BUT WON’T GIVE HORFORD OR CRAWFORD AN EXTENSION UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE OR AT ALL
LOL
scottyfloze
August 28th, 2010
10:09 am
THis could be a blessing. Jamal has great one on one skills but isn’t that what we are getting away from? He doesn’t pass, play defense, and happens to play the same position as Joe Johnson.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
10:12 am
Getting Troy Murphy, your still under luxury tax
Moving Mo’ to SG makes sense
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
10:15 am
With our cap numbers, I will be shocked if we offer Jamal anything over 3 years, 14m – less than 5m per year on average.
The guy will be 34 at the end of a 3 year extension.
I don’t think Sund wants two aging, overpaid SG’s on the same roster in a few years.
steve brown
August 28th, 2010
10:48 am
Rick Sund was going to study the roster and then make moves. The only moves seem to be forced. Dump Sund and if the reports are true I won’t bitch about your Jamal trade scenarios again. You win, I’m throwing in the towel.
Section 303
August 28th, 2010
10:48 am
Jerry West, I don’t know if you’re serious or not about Flip Murray, but I would love to see the Hawks re-sign him. I would take Flip over Mo Evans without having to think twice, that’s for sure.
Like so many of these stupid proposed lineups on here, it will never happen, though.
Hoops
August 28th, 2010
11:07 am
SteveW & Hmmm,
I love your passion for improving the Hawks. I share that passion. There are a lot of possibilities out there. Just remember that Rick Sund is on vacation. By the time he gets off vacation, all of the players you are considering, to acquire through a trade for the Hawks, will already be traded.
SLAM ONLINE | » Jamal Crawford Wants to Extension or Trade
August 28th, 2010
11:10 am
[...] told the Hawks that he either wants an extension or to be traded before the season starts. From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: “Jamal Crawford has told the Hawks he wants to be traded before the 2010-11 season if the [...]
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
11:23 am
I think its funny that Jamal Crawford is demanding a trade…He has no leverage…Its not like he’s going to sit out the year…I guess his only recourse is to refuse to re-sign with us next year…Most of us doubt he’ll even be given the chance to re-sign next year…I think this is great for Hawks fans though because it forces Sund in to action…However, the one result I do not want to see is Crawford overpaid.
David
August 28th, 2010
11:26 am
At some point I think the Hawks need to start over with their starting five, we got Joe for a while,hopefully we will have Horford to. I will be glad to see Marvin and Josh leave and we get a point guard that can PLAY HIS POSITION THAT’S NOT PAST HIS PRIME —–>Bibby,(still can’t believe we passed up Derron and CP3 back court could have been deadly) get a CENTER so Horford can go to his natural position. As far as Crawford I hope they keep him unless we can get equal value back, that’s a lot of points that would be leaving our average bench…
jason
August 28th, 2010
11:27 am
Jamal please dont go. Cmon now atl doesnt have any money. Wait till next year for an extension but for now we dont have any money
jason
August 28th, 2010
11:28 am
Trade some marvin and mo for cash so we can still resign horford and jamal.
N.D.T.K.A.
August 28th, 2010
11:33 am
Remember Sund and ASG want to keep the Hawks “core” intact. I don’t think Jamal C. is really a part of that “core”. Jamal would be traded at the deadline anyway for whatever need the Hawks might have for a playoff push after analysis by L.Drew and some developement of Jordan C.
No complaints about a trade for Melo, just don’t think it would be that easy as Nuggets as some have said would definitely want more ala Josh S. or Al H. Melo’s wife use to be a DJ in Atlanta with LudaCris back in the day that history might entice him to play here. Melo probably wants to go to N.Y., probably.
Melo’ would be good because in playoff basketball he is definitely clutch. Melo is not afraid to make big time shots and to D-up in crunch time (look at last years battle with Lebron in Cleveland). This would take pressure off J.J. Melo’s is definitely not a regular defensive minded player though.
The problem is still Mike Bibby’s contract IMHO. Bibby and Jamal are defensive liabilities. Crawford provides more to the team than Bibby. If Hawks move Crawford and receive unequal value I would also want to move Bibby and or Mo’s contract to open up room to sign an upgrade at SF, C, or PG in that order and for budget flexibility.
Keep Crawford until the trade deadline or move him early for the right piece. Please get rid of Mike Bibby and or Mo’.
ReddJonn68
August 28th, 2010
11:39 am
Hey M C this is our organization in a nut shell !!! Whether Crawford has leverage or not, this is once again Sund’s mishandling of a pressing situation. You already screwed up by extending Bibby & Marvin, so when you get a decent veteran on the team who was excited about making his first playoff,winning some games & producing everynight, Sund acts blind. You do not do the right thing by extending his contract at least a couple of yrs., then you overpay those who don’t produce in the playoffs & draft another shooting guard. Now I see why the Hawks cannot seem to draw any major cosideration from the top of the line players, this place must seem like never never land, who would put themselves in this position considering what Jamal did for this team last season.
KeuntrezC
August 28th, 2010
11:44 am
jamal needs to get traded for a good center we have jordan crawford who is a capable scorer and jeff teague will be a better player if he gets more playing time.
willie
August 28th, 2010
11:55 am
The guy shot 36% in the playoffs and he is demanding an extension….unreal.
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
12:19 pm
Eddie Curry
Is hiding out in Pakistan with Osama Bin Laden. There is another
arrest warrant out for him for being in contempt of court for not paying for his
12 cars. His Chicago home was foreclosed upon, he made 10M
last year, but refuses to pay any creditors.
His Satellite TV equipment was reposessed, he even refuses to pay his $1700/per mont cable bill! This guy is a HOT MESS and a DEAD BEAT w/absolutely no brains nor character.
Curry, played in like 4 GAMES last year and 3 GAMES the year before that.
Players Choice not to play, claims he is injured. The Knicks owe him
13M next year and you want the HAWKS to do WHAT?
Go research the player – you WISH for! You just might get your WISH!
Go Figure!
This ASKG should be ashamed of themselves!
SMDH!
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
12:20 pm
SteveW’s proposal of Crawford + Marvin + two #1s for Melo, is definitely a risk taking move.
And one worth throwing to the Nuggets. And a deal I would do in a heartbeat.
People crying to keep Jamal and blaming JJ for this situation? LOL.
I guess his one good game vs Orlando makes him a keeper, despite the fact that he shot 36% FG for the entire playoffs. That’s even lower than the pitiful 39% FG that JJ shot. Yet, Jamal gets a complete pass from 80% of the fan base.
The ASG will never do it, because they refuse to go over the tax. But having the chance to add a superstar in Melo, without giving up Smoove, Al, or JJ, is a move worth taking.
Melo would instantly become our best post up player, and an extra guy we could to in the clutch.
All I know, is that if we sign Crawford before Horford, don’t be surprised if Horford’s camp starts talking about wanting to be traded at the end of the year.
Because of the uncertainty of the new collective bargaining agreement coming up, and the very real possibility of a “hard cap”, these players are simply trying to secure deals.
I’m not mad at Jamal for doing what he’s doing. He has to look out for what is in the best interest for him, not what is in the best interest of the Hawks.
ryan
August 28th, 2010
12:24 pm
I think Mello would not mind coming to Atlanta because his wife wants to start a music career and with Usher and LA Reed and Def Jam South they can make that happen .
Wolverine
August 28th, 2010
12:26 pm
The ASG have a dilemma right now. They know they absolutely must sign Horford to a contract extension to avoid losing him to teams with money in the summer. And they want to have a product on the floor that can get the fans excited and contend for a title. The more and more this summer plays out proves one point. THey have to pay the luxury tax to do both.
Jamal Crawford will be traded, b/c the Hawks cant stay below the luxury tax signing him and horford now the real question is who do we trade him for?
If this was inception we could simply plant the idea to trade Jamal, Marvin, and two 1st rounders for Carmelo and Affalo, but this is not the movies.
hawkfan
August 28th, 2010
12:37 pm
Later.
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
12:46 pm
Out To Lunch!
Gone for The Day!
Whether Sundless is on vacation or not, Nothing get’s done!
Why not go ahead and extend Horford now to put that to rest, whatever deal he gets, he can always be traded if need be. He is a very valuable asset, no matter how you look at it!
Then, focus on building this team from there. Make these guys feel wanted, like you wanted Joe Johnson. Jamal, would probably negotiate a reasonable and tradeable contract as well.
Where was all this hesitation with signing Bibby, Zsa and Marvin?
Or, Cheeseburger for that matter.
What do you want to do – ASKG?
Besides being the: Atlanta Spirit Killer Group?
I.MUS WRITE
August 28th, 2010
12:47 pm
Cant blame jamal for wanting an extension with the season he had. I mean he is 30 and with the CBA next summer why not ask for an extension. Dont see it happening though we need to make Horford our priority right now. Thanx for your contributions Jamal its been real.
If JJ is worth 20+ mil a year Jamal should get a raise. We will probably sign J Pargo to be the gunner off the bench, He’s cheap……
Dampier would be a nice option at thys poins but something tells me Brian Skinner will be signed in the coming days.
Melo is not coming here but just for the record I would move any combinationof bibby,marvin,Jamal,Mo,ZaZa in a trade to get him.
Melo-Pargo>>>> Marvin- Jamal
K-Dogg
August 28th, 2010
12:55 pm
Do your thing Crawford i feel you our cheep owners not going to commit to win so why be here plus your production speaks for itself. If they going to use your contract as trade bait go ahead and trade you know.
SIPPTOWN
August 28th, 2010
1:00 pm
In the words of Deion Sanders:
“PAY DA MAN!!!!!”
Hawks are a sub .500 team without Jamal Crawford.
terrell
August 28th, 2010
1:02 pm
See ya Jamal. Jo Craw and Pape Sy can hopefully replace you.
I.MUS WRITE
August 28th, 2010
1:04 pm
Jamal is not being greedy,selfish or jealous,he just wants fair value for his production. ASG strikes again overpaying for JJ.He is clearly not worth the money but lets just say his over all game warranted 20 mil then without out a douby Jamals worth would be in the 16 mill a year range. he rivaled JJ in scoring last year with fewer minutes. How is that being selfish. Front office funked up,now they’ll probably hv to trade the guy…
I.MUS WRITE
August 28th, 2010
1:04 pm
Doubt.
James
August 28th, 2010
1:14 pm
I dont blame Jamal after the crazy contract the Hawks just gave Joe Johnson I’d demand an extention or a trade too.I said it before and I’ll say it again they should have let Joe walk..
Reid Adair
August 28th, 2010
1:20 pm
Why is everyone surprised by this? I know ASG claimed that they weren’t finished in free agency after signing Joe Johnson to a max contract; Michael Cunningham stated as much on more than one occasion.
But, look at it. Nothing else done in free agency. They’re so broke they can’t even offer Jamal Crawford an extension. Now they’ll have that to deal with during the season as well.
Brilliant management, ASG. Absolutely brilliant.
dddhouse
August 28th, 2010
2:01 pm
i love the hawks, but for the past year, i am hating this team. i don’t like the fact that joe got a max and he is not a leader on this team. we don’t have anyone that can come off the bench that can put points up. he does not want more money. he just want the same contract. that #24 guy, he is the one that need to go.
Will
August 28th, 2010
2:06 pm
I’m sick and tired of hearing these athletes complain about fulfilling their contract obligations. It is time to tell them to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Ten million dollars for next year and he is wanting an extention or to be traded. In this day and time just be glad he has a contract!
dddhouse
August 28th, 2010
2:08 pm
yo james, i am with you, they should have let joe walk. this man is making more than LB-J and D-Wade and he don’t even play anywhere close to them. when playoff comes he is no where to be found. if the trade JC, the hawks might be 7th or 8th in the east.
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2:09 pm
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Grandad
August 28th, 2010
2:11 pm
Wolverine
“They know they absolutely must sign Horford to a contract extension”
*[Wolverine - the voice of reason.]
Last evening was almost comical.
A lot, not all, but many are lookin’ @ this as if it’s fantasy basketball. Suggesting trades that cannot be completed due to
CBA. Exp – Bibby for Dampier doesn’t work. Also we only have
[five] players = roughly $27 mil to play with in trades.
(Jamal, Marv, Bibby, Mo, & JC2) are the chips we have to play.
Al, Josh, Teague, are not going anywhere. We are already short
on Bigs, so take Zaza out of the equation. Joe can’t be traded
until…..[see CBA rules]. JP, J-Cheese, same. Now, you can
begin to explore trades.
1st though, you must have a receptive partner!
*Denver / Melo is orchestrating this trade.
*[actually - World Wide Wes]
People say wifey can pursue her music career in ATL.
Folks, I’m here to tell yooooouuuuu, you can’t TELL
a woman to do something/anything she don’t want to do.
If ma’ma ain’t happy, Melo ain’t happy.
Once again receptive trade partners.
-Plus-
A match with someone we want/need.
-Now-
Five players $27 mil + $3 mil (give or take) TPE,
“a receptive team”, a player/players we want/need,
*player/players they are willing to give,
*[Understand some teams value their players as we do
Josh & Al, such as Memphis values Marc Gasol highly]
Now you are ready to begin.
-OR-
keep on playin fantasy B-ball!
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
2:17 pm
A trade that works:
Jamal to Cleveland.
Hawks get:
Varejao & Daniel Gibson.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
2:20 pm
For those who are worried about Sund being on vacation:
Any trade will probably occur *after mid Sept*
when traded players from summer can be added into deals.
Hopefully he will be back by then.
Don’t count on it.
The Jordan Rule
August 28th, 2010
2:28 pm
Which person on this blog would not request an extension when your stock is high and there are uncertainties with regards to the new CBA? Just think if you were in his shoes or even in your present situation you just made millions for your employer and your contract has a year to go.
vava74
August 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
northcyde,
good posts.
nothing wrong with what Jamal is doing but also there is absolutely nothing wrong in shipping him in a trade for ‘Melo.
I only wish that the Nuggets accepted Jamal, Marvin and picks for ‘Melo.
however, they would not accept.
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
Enter your comments here
Sleepy
August 28th, 2010
3:08 pm
There is not one quote from Jamal Crawford ,his agent or the Hawks just SOURCES who sound an awful lot like they read the the thread on Hawksquawk and just ran with it. As much as Crawford seems to care about his public image Im having a hard time buying him giving the team a ultimatum.
Now Im not naive enough to believe that Jamal doesnt want an extension but hating on Joe and worrying about someone elses money doesnt seem like him at all.
Ill wait for more info there are just too many assumptions flying around to really get into it .
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:10 pm
Grandad – not sure what your saying about Bibby for Dampier doesn’t work – is that what your saying?
When Charlotte refuses his 13m dollar team option on Sept. 13th – Dampier becomes an unrestricted Free Agent. Charlotte wants a PG. When Dampier becomes a Free Agent, he could agree to the MLE, and we ship Bibby to them for him.
Why not sign him as a Free Agent? Because then the Hawks are over the luxury tax – so I’m not sure what you are referencing…
Vava74 – Who says they will not accept? Any word on anybody else offering more – especially knowing that ‘Melo has the Nuggets over a barrel – i.e. He plays this year with the Nuggets, then Denver gets nothing for him.
I think if Denver wants more than Jamal, Marvin and 2 1st picks, they want to much. Let’s see what they get for him with absolutely no leverage….
The Knicks and Nets have the cash, but not alot of pieces to throw around – they want to keep their young pieces for the most part…
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
3:14 pm
SteveW…Charlotte only has $2.2M remaining from their MLE to offer Dampier…That’s why they had to turn to Kwame…Dampier turned that offer down…There is no way for a Dampier for Bibby trade to work straight up.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:15 pm
The Nuggets get the 12th best SG in the NBA (about, depending who you ask) and the 21st best SF(same) who is still only 24 years old, and 2 1st picks for ‘Melo? That seems like a decent deal to me, especially with the Nuggets over a barrel with no leverage.
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
3:19 pm
The Nuggets’ leverage is the same reason why Crawford is asking for an extension, the new CBA…There is no telling how much money Melo would lose by playing out this year and signing a new deal next year…Melo wants the best of both worlds, the extension and the team of his choice.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:19 pm
JoJo – Gotcha. So how is he still interested in signing with the Bobcats if they have no more money to spend than the 2.2m portion of the MLE left after signing Livingston?
If he would take the 2.2m, with our 3.66m Trade Exception from the Childress trade, it would work, is that correct?
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
3:21 pm
Over Paid!
Jamal and Marvin + (2) 1st round picks? That is way too much to hand Denver, who has NO leverage!
Belkin would BLOCK that in a NY Minute!
Besides, Denver wants young players + picks. Jamal is 30 yrs.
I like Chauncey Billups as more of a Hawks need, rather than a High Volume scorer.
Or for Melo & Billups? Give Marvin, Teague, Jamal + 2 first round picks!
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
JoJo – So if the Bobcats threw in Gerald Henderson, then does it work?
The Bobcats will be about 9m under the luxury tax after they refuse the team option, how much can they sign Dampier for, just the vet minimum or the 2.2m MLE remaining, or something more? Not sure of their cap status and league rules beyond that…..
jason
August 28th, 2010
3:25 pm
Melo is selling his house. ASG trade crawford marvin zaza bibby and mo for him and billups. look at this starting line up and back ups
PG:Billups Teauge
SG:JJ Jo Craw
SF:Melo Stackhouse
PF:Smoove Powell
C:Horford Dampier
Tell me that isnt a championship starting line up.
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
3:26 pm
One Bibby trade that might work is Bibby & Houston’s 2nd rd pick to Houston for the expiring contract of Jared Jeffries…This saves Houston about $1.3M this year, and they are just above the luxury tax…Bibby & Adelman back together again, and we know how Houston loves to shoot the 3.
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
3:28 pm
SteveW…All Charlotte can offer Dampier is $2.2M, which he has already turned down (supposedly).
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:32 pm
JoJo – Couldn’t Charlotte sign Dampier to the Non-Bird Exception as their own veteran Free Agent for any amount under 14.6m and above 1.6m? Just curious – you are the man when it comes to cap BTW, and I respect your knowledge greatly on the subject.
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
3:35 pm
I guess we could also consider Jamal to Houston for Jeffries, Courtney Lee & Jordan Hill…I like Lee as a young shooter, defender…Maybe Hill will develop in to a rotational player.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:36 pm
JoJo – I get what your saying about ‘Melo – with a hard cap possibly coming, now is his best time.
NY and NJ still have alot of money to throw around, even with a hard cap looming…
JoJo the Godfather
August 28th, 2010
3:37 pm
SteveW…Once Dampier is waived, his bird rights are no longer in tact.
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
3:37 pm
As people have said . . . Jamal + Marvin for Carmelo works. Toss in one or two 1st round draft picks to sweeten the deal.
So if the Hawks were to do this deal, this is how the 2010 -11 payroll would look:
Carmelo: 17.15 mill
Johnson: 16.32 mill
Smith: 11.70 mill
Bibby: 5.77 million
Horford: 5.44 million
Zaza: 4.25 million
Evans: 2.50 million
Teague: 1.48 million
Jordan: 1.04 million
Collins: 0.85 million
Powell: 0.85 million
Total salary: roughly 67.35 million ( with at least 2 minimum level players to be added to get to 13 players )
For this year, it would be doable, and we’d still be under the cap. That’s a Eastern Conference Finals conending squad, and a box office revenue producer, in my opinion.
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But as I’ve been saying all summer, it’s the summer of 2011 – 12, that is dictating not only these player moves, but also the actions of the ASG and Sund. If they don’t want to go over the luxury tax, they’re not going to make a major move to do anything that would add to the potential 2011 – 12 payroll significantly
And that is the problem.
Say the Hawks trade for Melo, and goes ahead and signs him to that 3 year – 65 million extension. for those of you who are keeping score, that’s 21.67 million a year. Would the Hawks be better off having that extension escalate over the 3 years, or would they be better off paying a flat 21.67 million each season? Let’s say they opt to do just that.
2011 – 12 Hawks Payroll
Carmelo: 21.67 mill
Johnson: 18.04 mill
Smith: 12.50 mill
Bibby: 6.42 mill
Zaza: 4.75 mill
Teague: 1.58 mill
Jordan: 1.12 mill
That’s 66.08 million . . . for 7 players.
And do you notice something? I haven’t included Al Horford on this list. If Horford gets a near max deal that pays him close to 13 million in 2011 – 12, you’re talking about a Hawks payroll of 79 MILLION DOLLARS . . . and we’d still have to add 5 more minimum salaried players to round out the roster. That would easily push the Hawks payroll over 80+ million. That would give us a top 5 in the league payroll.
That’s why the ASG would never do a deal like that. If they did that deal, Horford is as sure as gone at the end of the year. The ASG as an ownership group, isn’t ready for the big time yet . . . especially financially, and definitely not from a risk taking standpoint.
Frankly, the only way the ASG does this, is if they’re intent on letting Carmelo or Horford walk at the end of the 2011 season. Even if we got rid of Crawford and Marvin, there’s no way this ownership group would retain both Melo and Horford. One of them would have to go.
As a fan, I’m actually cool with that. If acquiring Carmelo for one season, along with our REAL CORE still being intact ( JJ, Smoove, Horford ), is what it takes to win an NBA title, I’m willing to take that risk this season, then making the tough player decision in the summer of 2011. Heck, I’m actually cool with losing BOTH GUYS, if it means that we’ll get a chance to see the Hawks play in the NBA finals in 2011.
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A lot of you were/are expecting for Crawford to be traded at the deadline. I expect(ed) the ASG to simply let him play out his contract, and let him fall off the books, partially because of the scenario I laid out above. And if we do make a midseason trade for Crawford, it will probably be for another ( or multiple ) expiring contracts. ( see Grandad’s trade of Crawford for Troy Murphy, as a reference . . but it probably wouldn’t even be that good ).
Crawford’s agent is probably anticipating this as well. If Craw goes out onto the open market next summer, he may get far less of what he thinks he is worth, even if he puts up another 6th man of the year type season.
Horford is the priority. He has to be. If the ASG makes Crawford the priority, then don’t be surprised when Horford starts to cry as well, and talk about getting out of here.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:40 pm
Drmaryb – can’t get Billups and ‘Melo – 30+ million in cap space.
From what I’m hearing, the 34 year old Billups has a case of Bibbyitis in the worlds – guys are flying by him – I don’t know, I haven’t seen him – but that’s what they say…
And Billups is one of my favs – love his intangibles – the guys a winner – but at 34 – not sure what i want to give up.
Nash at 36 and Kidd at 37, Andre Miller at 34 -still going strong
Bibbs at 32 – not so much
Where would Billups wind up? It’s a gamble….
ryan
August 28th, 2010
3:42 pm
I think ASG should send Usher to Mello house to be and agent just like he lured Justin Beiber to Atlanta .
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:45 pm
Northcyde – I think we’re reading to much into Gearon Jrs. comments as fans – That for the right guy he would go into luxury tax – ‘Melo may be that guy, especially if we began competing for Championships – but only ASG and their accountants know for sure.
Be assured of this – every penny from every available source and projection and possible injuries etc. are factored into these decisions – The Accountants rule….
And if one of the Accountants comes up to ASG and says – by signing ‘Melo we generate X amount of cash – and it is commensurate with luxury tax #’s etc. They will sign ‘Melo
If not, they won’t – It’s simple – follow the money.
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
3:47 pm
So yeah . . that would be the key to this.
Make the Jamal + Marvin for Melo deal, but DON’T sign him to that extension.
It’ll basically be bringing in Melo for one year, to make the run at a title. If we still don’t get over the hump, oh well . . we tried . . and we let him go for nothing, while keeping Horford. If we did win it all, then the ASG has the tough decision to make . . keep Al or Melo?
As a Syracuse B-ball fan, I am forever grateful for Melo for the one year he played at Syracuse. He finally brought that elusive title to the Orange. And even though he left after one year, nobody is mad at that dude. He, Jerry, and Hak got it done that night.
A one-year rental of Melo, and you lose Jamal and Marvin in the process?
Yeah, I’d do that in a heartbeat.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:52 pm
JoJo – Thanks again. I’m still struggling for reasons why he would consider Charlotte.
But we could sign him to the TYE (hopefully) – 2.08m – and still be $600,000 – $700,000 below luxury tax – but if he won’t sign for Charlotte for 2.2m….
JoJo – hope your wrong about his non-Bird rights – but your probably correct – oh well, another day back at the Cap labratory – trying to get the Hawks a Championship – that’s all – end of story..
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:55 pm
Or we could sign Dampier for the 2.7m portion of the MLE up to Luxury Tax territory.
I still like Jamal for Troy Murphy BTW – good trade
And maybe we convince Troy to finish out his career here with a 4 year deal at 3m per. Maybe….Stranger things have happened
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:57 pm
NorthCyde – a struggling co-sign – but with just a 1 year rental of ‘Melo, maybe only 1 1st pick – or the 2nd pick from the Suns
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
3:59 pm
No doubt Horford is the priority.
Why do teams wait – in this case on Horford until Oct. 31st?
In case the unexpected happens between now and Oct. 31st – Accountants you know – looking at that unforseen 1 in a million thing happening and costing the Organization bucks
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
4:08 pm
SteveW . . . I have no confidence whatsoever in this ownership group, and their ability to make critical decisions. They’ve gotten away over the years, and made easy decisions. This would be a hard, game changing decision right here. With 11 heads all having an opinion on this, I doubt the only thing they would come to a consensus on, would be to NOT do this.
Gearon Jr may do this, but will the other 10 little indians do it? Bringing Shaq to ATL was about the biggest no-brainer this franchise could’ve done, from a personnel and economical standpoint, and they didn’t even try to make a serious run at that dude. So I don’t believe for one minute that they would try to go after Carmelo.
The team I’m worried about, is MILWAUKEE. They have been very aggressive all summer. So what do they have?
- a HUGE expiring contract in Michael Redd ( 18 million )
- young talent in the form of Brandon Jennings, Larry Sanders, and Carlos Delfino
Does a team like Milwaukee say . . “OK .. we’re going to “go for it for one year”, and get Melo”. Does Redd + Delfino + two 1st round picks bring him to Milwaukee?
All I know, is that I DO NOT want Carmelo in the Eastern Conference, unless he’s playing with us. We have enough headaches as it is in this conference.
O'Brien
August 28th, 2010
4:09 pm
Why would hawks give Jamal an extension after they drafted Jordan, who could turn into Jamal 2.0? Plus Jamal is a better fit for woody’s system.
Under LD’s motion offense, I thinking mo and Jordan could fill the backup SG slot.
I would trade Jamal for a big if possible…
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
4:11 pm
SteveW
*Dust Chip
“because of his special contract. The Dallas Mavericks structured the final year of Dampier’s deal so that it could be terminated if certain criteria were not met. When Dampier failed to meet the incentives spelled out in the contract, his deal became what was termed a *dust chip*, capable of being terminated at any time by the team that owned his rights.
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=17155#ixzz0xvvD2QyS
“Again this is one more indication the Bobcats will eventually waive Erick Dampier’s contract to off-load about $13 million in salary responsibility.” ‘Rick Bonnell’ -Charlotte Observer-
-Now-
After they waive him we could sign him. Yes.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
4:13 pm
Nothcyde and O’Brien – Co-sign
JoJo – Been studying the cap – what about this as pertains to Dampier/Bibby:
“Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team’s free agent. But there is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under the sign-and-trade rule, the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract which stipulates that the contract is invalid if the player’s rights are not traded to the specific team within 48 hours.
A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced, but cannot be made when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for three years or longer, but only the first season of the contract must be guaranteed. The three year minimum (even though the last two seasons may be non-guaranteed) ensures that the new team will not acquire Bird rights to the player any sooner than if they had signed him directly, because they would have to waive him, after which they wouldn’t be able to use Bird rights”
So maybe it would work after all?
Hawker
August 28th, 2010
4:21 pm
So…
The guy wants to sign an extension to stay with Atlanta. If not, he wants to play somewhere else for one year without an extension in place.
Huh?
If he wants to play in Atlanta, what benefit is there to being traded to play out the last year of his deal? The trade demand is nothing more than a childish hissy fit because he has zero leverage. Remember, HE is the one that signed away his right to free agency this summer as a condition of the trade. What a bum.
cp
August 28th, 2010
4:25 pm
I said yesterday I think Jordan Crawford can replace some ,not all but some of Jamal’s scoring off the bench. If given the minutes I can easily see Jordan scoring around 12 a night. We would just need other guys off the bench to step up. I always figured the Hawks would just let Jamal’s contract expire and come off the books rather than trade him so they can have money for Horford. Its time for Sund to earn his money. Hopefully he does something that actually benefits this team.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
Charlotte is on Melo’s list;
-because-
he [melo] wears “Jordan Brand” shoes & apparel.
MJ still has cache!
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
Curry Goat!
For all the Eddie Curry lovers, I reiterate:
“ Eddy Curry MIA for Knicks this summer
Eddy Curry told the Knicks he’d be in Vegas to work out with the team for summer league, never showed up and they haven’t really heard much from him since.
Curry is entering the most important year of his maligned career, but personal problems (various legal, financial, serious calf injury, new baby, etc.) have kept him away. However, his lack of communication with the Knicks is a big concern, and while his backers say (as usual) that he’s healthy and ready to go, we have our doubts. “They’ve been trying to reach him for weeks,” an anonymous player said. Feel free to take a last-round flier on Curry, but it will probably be a wasted pick. Aug. 26 – 12:35 am et”
Source: Newsday
Again, Curry has played a total of 7 Games in the past 2 seasons.
I think he is in the final year of a 55M Contract. He is due what? 11M this year?
He also owes Juan Howard $500K and won’t pay him either.
He won’t even pay the cable guy $1700/Mo top watch TV?
Please don’t bring up his name to come here! He makes Kwame look like an All – Star!


northcyde
August 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
O’Brien . . . I agree. We know that Mo is a decent, but inconsistent spot-up shooter. And Crawford can shoot the spot-up jumper or create his own offense off the dribble. Those two could = 1 Jamal, but the pressure would be on both of them to produce on a nightly basis. They would have to be fairly high percentage shooters, for that to compensate for what we lose in Jamal.
Now . . . we have to find a big with an expiring contract.
- Grandad’s guy ( Troy Murphy is one ).
- Maybe a trade with Portland with Przybilla + Fernandez.
- Maybe you send Jamal + Mo to Sacramento, for Dalembert ( seeing that Cousins and Whiteside may make Dalembert obsolete now )
Whatever it is, I’m sure the ASG will be looking to bring back an expiring contract.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
4:39 pm
SteveW
Dampier’s not a FA. They will not give him a qual. offer.
He has 1 yr. *not guaranteed*.
To trade for Dampier:
Marv & Bibby = $13.3
Dampier = $13 & change would work
-But-
Why would you want to?
Right now they [Charlotte] are in play for Melo;
using Dampier’s dust chip!
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
4:42 pm
Here’s The Headline from HoopsHype.com
[ R U M O R S ]
Wiz contact
The Wizards recently called the Nuggets to check on the availability of Carmelo Anthony, according to the Washington Post … Jamal Crawford wants Manu Ginobili contract … Lakers not interested in re-signing Didier Ilunga-Mbenga … Chris Andersen will be limited in training camp …
• Read more / Rumors Archive
Now, the Wizards isn’t on WW-Wesley’s List either, but …
They’re GM is not on vacation! He’s working the phones!
What can Charlotte and Houston do for the WIFE’s music career that Atlanta can’t do? Besides, shouldn’t this be a Basketball decision? Isn’t Melo the bread winner in that marriage. Can’t LaLa charter an Aero-Plane for appts. And work?
Hello, Sund?
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
4:42 pm
Is the ASG too cash strapped to do this for JJ and Smoove? This would be a nice touch to Philips Arena.
http://pix.kingsconnect.com/
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
4:45 pm
Troy Murphy cannot be traded until
[on or about] Oct. 10,
60 days after he was traded to NJ.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
4:48 pm
Mary Ellen
According to NBA sources:
every team, all of them, made a call to Denver
to gage the posibility of acquiring Melo.
All of them would indicate that even the ‘Hawks’
made a call! reckon?
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
4:53 pm
LOL . . the Dream are in the Eastern Conference Finals. Wouldn’t it be something if the Dream won a championship before the Hawks?
Not hating on them though. I like women’s basketball. That run they went on in the 2nd quarter, was reminscent to the run the Hawks went on vs Milwaukee in the 3rd quarter of Game 6. Just a thing of beauty by both teams.
SteveW
August 28th, 2010
5:00 pm
Grandad – Thanks for the updates – wouldn’t want to trade Marv and Bibby for Dampier BTW
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
5:04 pm
Grand-Daddy
Why do we never hear anything in our pipelines?
We hear about all the other teams. Is that because the Agent is putting out the rumors to stir the pot and move the team THEY really want.
I know DENVER has to be willing as well to get what they want too?
Do you see a 3 team deal, maybe?
*Their. (Not They’re) above post … LOL! I can spell sometimes …
Astro Joe
August 28th, 2010
5:09 pm
MC, thanks. I understand the math.
Anyone know Sam Amico? He’s saying that the Hawks will offer Jamal an extension.
Sam Amico: Hawks not worried about Jamal Crawford-seeking-trade report. They will offer him extension next week, and confident agreement will follow. Twitter
northcyde
August 28th, 2010
5:16 pm
Interesting article from denverpost.com, regarding the Carmelo situation. Make sure to read the article, and the comments from the fans.
http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15908111?source=commented-nuggets
The Truth
August 28th, 2010
5:22 pm
This should have been a simple exercise for Dr. Do-little Sund. Review the roster and move the players that are not part of the Hawks future. It’s clear, Mo Evans and M. Bibby fits into this category based on age, production and needs of the team. Case in point; if we have a starting PG in Bibby and there is still an outcry for a better starting PG to defend with a better “motor” to run the “new offense” with overall better production, then the overpaid aging Bibby is part of the problem and not the solution. Many on these blogs have said this already. Since we have pressing financial needs to re-sign other players and/or make other deals, buying-down now to an alternate vet PG using our TPE and saving money puts us in a better position to do other deals like even pursuing Melo and/or re-signing Jamal. Let’s face it; we’re not winning a championship this year with these players so the theme of “I like our core” is illogical when the team is on a budget and trying to improve. Since Bibby is not getting any younger, it is better to move him now then later. I realize he expires next year, but we need the cap relief now. As for Mo Evan, moving him now will also help free-up more cash and have little impact on the team assuming we get a vet min replacement that can upgrade our backup SF needs. He’s playing out of position as a SF anyway. After shelling out the max deal with JJ, replacing these players is essential and could save us nearly 6 million dollars which is necessary if the Hawks want to maintain a quality roster on a budget and stay competitive in the east. Sund must find a way of thinking “out-of-the-box” and get this done. Otherwise JJ max deal will take its toll on this highly budget conscience team.
Hoops
August 28th, 2010
5:26 pm
Grandad,
Just remember that the Hawks could make a three team trade and that would open up many more possibilities as we try to play GM for Sund.
Bobby Lane
August 28th, 2010
5:27 pm
We need an ownership group with money to spend.Pay the darn tax.The hawks and Braves need new ownership.
Michael Cunningham
August 28th, 2010
5:37 pm
@AJ: “Sam Amico: Hawks not worried about Jamal Crawford-seeking-trade report. They will offer him extension next week, and confident agreement will follow. Twitter”
Sam is a solid reporter so I am sure that’s something he heard. But I think it’s premature for the Hawks to be confident Jamal will accept their offer when, to my knowledge, terms have not been discussed.
Clyde
August 28th, 2010
5:39 pm
Bibby and Marvin’s contracts are what hurting the Hawks right now. If we would have let them walk we could pay Jamal what he deserves. Bibby and Marvin don’t deserve nothing.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
5:51 pm
ATL / Denver – scenarios that are realistic:
(all these work on trade machine)
Denver gets: Jamal & Mo
Hawks get: Chauncey
Denver gets: Jamal, Mo, JC2
Hawks get: Chauncey & Arron Afflalo
Denver gets: Marv & Bibby
Hawks get: Chauncey
Denver gets: Marv, Bibby, Mo, JC2
Hawks get: Chauncey & Arron Afflalo
*Draft picks would accompany any or all these trades.
[pursuant to Denver's motivation]
*Why include JC2?
[further motivate Denver]
*Why Arron Afflalo?
6-5, 215, 43% three pt shooter, defensive stopper,
only 25 years old, *played for Howland @ UCLA,
*[means he knows how to play]
essentially replaces the JC’s. (would be a steal)
For those who think Chauncey has lost a step.
Maybe? But I doubt it.
“The rumors of my *expiry have been greatly exaggerated”
‘Mark Twain’ *amended
Mentor & tag-teammate with Teague!
Please don’t ever compare him [CB] to Bibby!
Leadership would be priceless on this team.
This guy would be the greatest possible pick-up
for us imaginable! He makes Joe a better player
on day one & teaches Al the finer points of leadership.
JeJe
August 28th, 2010
6:05 pm
GIVING MARVIN AND BIBBY 7.5M AND 6M RESPECTIVELY TO DO NOTHING BUT WON’T GIVE HORFORD OR CRAWFORD AN EXTENSION UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE OR AT ALL
LOL..
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
6:19 pm
I think Marv & or Bibby will be traded before traing camp.
Mo or either of the two JC’s could also be used as bait.
(or I could be wrong)
Billups & a young Big would put us in contention.
[for # 1 in the East]
Also, I do not consider Miami, & the super fiends,
a contender. (yet)
It’s all on paper.
They ain’t done squat. (yet)
My hope is that “Teams” will prevail!
J. Shuttlesworth
August 28th, 2010
6:26 pm
The Hawks shouldn’t be bullied by this guy. Make him put on his uniform and earn his paychecks. If he has an issue with the contract he signed, then that’s his problem.
No way he gets an extension.
Grow up Jamal.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
6:27 pm
*traing camp – is a new innovation in basketball.
*traing is a mid-west Euroasiatic word meaning:
Grandad can’t type a lick.
Grandad
August 28th, 2010
6:30 pm
I have an idea;
when everbody gets through bein’ mad @ Jamal,
then we can get mad at Josh Powell.
I don’t think we been mad @ him yet
Rev in Tampa
August 28th, 2010
6:33 pm
Northcyde, I read the article & the comments. The following is the most poignant fan post:
Hey, StayPuff, hit the road and take JR witcha.
Check it out, itz on today’s Huffington Post: “MarshMelo wants out of Denver and he and his agent have made it clear.” Bye bye! And when you pack don’t forget Sludge-For-Brains JR.
The only thing I’ll miss about the Ol’ Marsh is pointing out:
1. His total lack of desire to play D,
2. Lazy- team play,
3. Truckloads of turnovers,
4. Total lack of any working knowledge of the words, “PASS” and “ASSIST,”
5. Inability to play hard in Q-4. Hey dude, forget China, move to Canada, hockey only has 3 periods,
6. His pouting and dissing teammates when he plays like a slug,
7. Girl-slapping and running at The Garden, PRICELESS!
8. Did I mention NO D? How about NO HEART, NO DESIRE, NO CLASS, and LAZY!
Reminder for those of you old enough to remember, can you picture Magic’s passes and play and how he involved his teammates making them all play better? The MarshMelo is just the opposite, he turns teammates into statues.
Q: When MarshMelo comes on the court, how cold does it get?
A: Absolute zero! The point where all motion stops. (Look it up.)
Hit the road, Marsh and don’tcha come back no more, no more, no more, no more,
Hit the road, Marsh and don’tcha come back no more.
doc
August 28th, 2010
6:39 pm
g dad, i think i am mad at josh powell for even coming here.
Emir S.
August 28th, 2010
7:22 pm
I honestly beleive the majority of you need to wake up from this dream of Melo coming here.
Would I love him here, despite all the negative posts I just read in the Denver Post? Yes ofcourse, who would’nt. The fact that our City of Atlanta has not been mentioned anywhere in his list of possible destinations, is whats keeping my feet firmly to the ground of this immensely polluted but yet gorgeous Earth of mother nature.
However, seeing as tho its become pretty evident that the Nuggets are inching closer and closer to rebuilding their team, I think this would be an amazing opportunity to snatch a few players we need. I dont beleive the Nuggets would show any intrest in Marvin at this point. Would you want to rebuild with a player like Marvin Williams if you were the Nuggets. I dont mean any disrespect to him but lets be honest, he is’nt that good.
Plus after reading that if ‘Melo is to join us, we’d have to make a decision to either keep Al or ‘Melo. Thats a decision I dont wanna make. I’m a person who gets emotionally attached to my team. When Francouer of the Braves was traded, my heart was broken. He was a hometown kid. Same with Mark Tiexera after he left. I get attached to them becuase they are wearing my city’s uniform. I think the worst was when we lost Andruw Jones. I quit watching the Braves after that. And only followed nightly scores. Having lost the opportunity to see CJ and AJ hit back to back HRs was devastating….
Lets sit back till Sund returns from his vacation and see how everything folds out. As a closing statement, I dont expect Carmelo Anthony to wear a Hawks Jersey next season.
UGA
August 28th, 2010
8:32 pm
Etan Thomas to sign with Hawks!!! per hoopshype.com
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
8:48 pm
Reportedly Etan Thomas is the choice for the 13th roster spot. Sund is officially worse than Billy Knight. This guy is a pure dumpster
Rev in Tampa
August 28th, 2010
8:51 pm
@Etan Thomas to sign with Hawks
Yuck
truthspitter
August 28th, 2010
8:52 pm
In other news, Jamal is a pure joke. He reportedly wants Manu Ginobili money which is 3yrs close to $38 million, what a joke this guy is. He does one thing well and that’s score, he is already 30 with no upside. He basically wants to be payed on par with Josh Smith. Trade this clown ASAP
The Truth
August 28th, 2010
8:55 pm
Etan Thomas to sign with the Hawks? One of my picks; not bad, not bad at all. His stat numbers slightly better than Boone and he’s a brute.
rusty
August 28th, 2010
9:04 pm
first of all who would want bibby or mo evens. bibby is done & mo isnt much of an nba player. crawford brings much more to the hawks than jj does. no one is interested in jj slow motion play. if we were willing to give jj all that money why the hell wouldnt we give it to melo, he is one hell of a better player than jj. i am not sure there is much interest in the league for marvin.
O'Brien
August 28th, 2010
9:09 pm
Rick Sund has talked about building a model like what Detroit had when they won a title with Chauncey leading the way, but I saw this on the Denver article that one of the fans commented on.
Teams that won a title with superstars: 63
Teams that won a title without superstars: 1
History suggests that the way to win a title is with a superstar/hall of famer. Unfortunately, the Hawks options are limited.
brigadierjerry
August 28th, 2010
9:17 pm
It seems that the loss of Orlando last year by the way it happend has angered a lot of fans. I think if Atlanta played 4 competitive games against the Magic or played five games I think the mood would’ve been different. I have alwys enjoyed watching the Hawks going back to the Nique days even though I am a Knicks fan. I think one of the problems that need to be addressed is are they going to build around Horford or Smith cause I feel one of them has to go. Horford is a power forward playing out of position and Josh Smith cant really play small forward. The team needs to move away from running plays though Joe Johnson he will begin to tail off as he is getting older. As much as I like Melo even if he came to Atlanta I am not sure how well he fits the team. If you think about it is he that much different than Joe Johnson?Only differnce is Johnson wont take volume shots like Melo has. Even if Melo were to come to NY I dont know if he were to come to NY I dont know if it puts them past the second round. If he goes to the Hawks It would make the team better but you have to structure certain type of players around him for him to excel look at when they made the trade for Billups how much the team played better.
As a Knicks fan whose team has an inept owner and been bad for a long time now I will be happy to just make the playoffs this year. The Hawks will make the playoffs and it is really about growth of the youth going forward. With a few moves here and there just develop some of the players such as Teaque or Horford or Smith or both and you will be a solid team for years. It is simimilar to what Portland is going through. It is going to be hard to beat Miami or even Orlando and Boston. I remember when KNicks was good against the Bulls but never beat them with Jordan but played competitive and played hard with them. I think that is all Atlanta fans are asking for when they show in the playoffs.
My questions for long time Atlanta Hawks fans are did you feel the samw way when Nique played the early nique years till the later Nique years with Augmon Blaylock Koncack and even later with the Steve Smith Blaylock Mutumbo days?Did you feel they had a chance to get to the finals or was content with being in the playoffs and being competitive? I mean the only 2 I can remember with the Nique days is the one that went seven against bird they should’ve won game 6 at home and losing the series against the Bucks with the Malone Theus Wilkins team. Outside of that Nique teams lost to better teams I believe.
Even though other teams did get better it is not like the team you have is a 35 win team. I dont see that. I see between 45-50 win team.
drmaryb (*_*)
August 28th, 2010
9:22 pm
HoopsHype Player Profile .. Pasted
.36 Etan Thomas Minnesota Timberwolves
Very strong post player… Chiseled body frame… Fierce rebounder and shot blocker… Very limited offensive ability.
Position: PF
Born: 4/01/78
Height: 6-10 / 2,08
Weight: 260 lbs. / 117,9 kg.
College: Syracuse ‘00
Attended the Booker T. Washington HS in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
 Played college ball at Syracuse until 2000.
 Selected by the Dallas Mavericks as the 12th overall pick in the the 2000 NBA Draft.
 Traded to the Washington Wizards in February 2001. Has been playing there ever since.
 Traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves in June 2009.
 Traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder in July 2009. Traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves later that month.
 Voted to the Big East Conference 1st Team in 1999-00.
 Voted Big East’s Defensive Player of the Year in 1998-99 and 1999-00.
The Truth
August 28th, 2010
9:36 pm
Some Etan Thomas highlights
robdawg08
August 28th, 2010
9:41 pm
So if Jamaal gets paid he will be a good player for the hawks but if not “Trade me, I ain’t playing for the Hawks” ? put his ass in the road now !
Daniel
August 28th, 2010
10:10 pm
Crawford isn’t 1/2 the players Ginobili is. Anything more than the MLE will doom the Hawks to mediocrity for half a decade.
Jamal Crawford Wants Extension or Trade From Hawks | The Hoop Doctors
August 28th, 2010
11:55 pm
[...] Via AJC.com [...]
D.S.G.B.
August 29th, 2010
1:45 am
do it. trade jamal, marvin, and bibby for lawson, and melo. look at this lineup and tell me we cant contend for crown.
1=teague/lawson
2=jj/jordan
3=melo/mo
4=smoove/powell
5=al/zaza
i like it alot
truhawksfan
August 29th, 2010
3:19 am
This is crazy! JC needs to stay with the Hawks cause he does alot for the team and they just gone let him walk. He is last year six man of the year were are they gone to find another player off the bench that does what Jamal does. He drops numbers in all stats and not to metion that he makes this team better. He is the second leading scorer after JJ and not even a starter that is really saying something. I know that AL is the next on the list but when talking about the hawks you can’t leave out JC. they should hve not offered Bibby and Marvin ocntracts the should have traded them in a package deal and they could have keep JC and JJ now we gone have to settle for some less cause ASG don’t want to pay. I hope Rick Sund Changes his rule just this time and offer JC an extention. this makes me not want to get my season tickets cause I will be missing one of the 4 I come 2 C.
LET’S GET IT HAWKS I ‘M CHEERING 4 U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
truthspitter
August 29th, 2010
3:42 am
This is a trade that makes sense for all parties
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=253mqfd
Sacramento gets: Jamal Crawford and Charlie Villanueva
Denver gets: Marvin Williams and Zaza
Detroit gets: Samuel Dalembert and Francisco Garcia
Hawks get: Tayshaun Prince and Nene Hilario
Why this works:
Sactown gets better at SG, which is much needed and overall. They have enough depth at the C position.
Denver gets a young SF and a young PF/C. Kenyon is expiring. Nene cost a nice little bit. They get two players for Nene’s price and they can now look to move Melo for the best player possible without needing a SF.
Detroit gets rid of Villanueva’s contract and a much needed length and size with Dalembert. Dalembert expires so they save like $4.5 million over the long haul. Maybe someone of these teams throws them a pick to sweeten this if they fill a little sour.
Hawks stay under luxury for now and near future since Prince is expiring. Problem after resigning Al next year no way we can resign Prince without going over the luxury. Meaning your in the same situation you would be in with Jamal at end of the season
sam'l
August 29th, 2010
10:51 am
MC: I think you should have some emotional attachment to the team you cover. But I enjoy your reports nonetheless.
The Hawks’ core is Joe, Jamal, Josh, and Al. You really can’t trade Jamal. As for having an “unhappy” player in the last year of his contract, when has Jamal sulked or made demeaning comments about his role on the club. He never has. He’s always been upfront and positive.
Suck it up. Jamal is the most creative Hawk there is.
Stop talking about Shaq. His career is about over. I counted mentions of the rookie Crawford at about 7 to 0 over Teague in the opening comments of this blog. Is it now obvious to everyone that Teague will be passed over? (Things change really fast around Blogsville). Much as I liked Childress, he was playing in a crummy league and remains untested in his latest NBA reincarnation.
Somewhere a center stirs….c’mon baby, c’mon, just a little closer……(intoned in the accent of a professional armadillo caller by the light of the full moon),,,,,
sam'l
August 29th, 2010
10:51 am
MC: I think you should have some emotional attachment to the team you cover. But I enjoy your reports nonetheless.
The Hawks’ core is Joe, Jamal, Josh, and Al. You really can’t trade Jamal. As for having an “unhappy” player in the last year of his contract, when has Jamal sulked or made demeaning comments about his role on the club. He never has. He’s always been upfront and positive.
Suck it up. Jamal is the most creative Hawk there is.
Stop talking about Shaq. His career is about over. I counted mentions of the rookie Crawford at about 7 to 0 over Teague in the opening comments of this blog. Is it now obvious to everyone that Teague will be passed over? (Things change really fast around Blogsville). Much as I liked Childress, he was playing in a crummy league and remains untested in his latest NBA reincarnation.
Somewhere a center stirs….c’mon baby, c’mon, just a little closer……(intoned in the accent of a professional armadillo caller by the light of the full moon),,,,,
Sleepy
August 29th, 2010
2:40 pm
Truthspitter you are so far off base its amazing .
Manu is 33 didnt play nearly as well as Jamal did last year and got that extension .
Its one thing to say that the plan is to hold onto jamal and try and move him at the deadline as his expiring is very valuable .
Buts its another thing entirely to start lying and lose all common sense .
Jamal was a top ten sg last year and in the nba you get paid for scoring just take a look at every non rookie contract for a sg in the league.
And why would the Nuggets trade Nene lol seriously these anti Jamal tirades the past day or so should be an embarrassment to all hawk fans .
truthspitter
August 29th, 2010
6:47 pm
Sleepy: go to sleep, you like most people around here probably don’t know a thing about basketball. Crawford is garbage and has been his entire career that’s why he is soon to be on his 5th team. A journeyman that wants to be paid like a superstar. What a joke. Manu has played for 1 team. Jason Terry has played for 2 teams. All the people Jamal want to be paid on par with have proven to be better than Jamal who had never sniffed a playoff until last year. It’s the team not Jamal. Let him score 20 a game on a non-playoff team and see how good he looks. Seriously, GTFOOH.
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truthspitter
August 30th, 2010
11:37 am
Rick Sund is a bum. He killed the growth of this team by resigning Marvin mainly, and Bibby and Zaza on a smaller level. Marvin should have been the guy they did a Chillz type sign and trade for, meaning they should have let Marvin walk for a 1st rd pick and trade exception and we would have been much better off considering the best case scenario is that Marvin develops. Which is the same best case scenario for a rookie. The guy has been in the league 5+ years and some idiots are still waiting on him to start to develop.
On the other hand, can’t cry over spoiled milk. We are screwed, there is absolutely no way that we can resign Al and resign Jamal without going over the luxury mark next season. We will be at $65.5 Million after resigning Al because he is getting a Boozer type deal from someone, that means he will be starting at about $13.5 million in 2011-2012, and we also have to pick up the option on Teague. That means 8 players under contract, needing to sign 5 more with less than $5 mill left over, that means 2nd rd picks and minimum level players will fill out this roster next year.Well we will have atleast 1 1st round pick but the way Sund does business we will probably trade it for fish sticks or draft a 6″3 SF. That means you better hope Teague and Jordan Crawford are some good.
Lastly, all we can do is hope for a trade were we get some top notch player back and make it to the Finals. Maybe then the ASG would go into luxury to bring the team back, but we really don’t have the assets to get Carmelo without giving up Al or Josh. We do have the assets but other teams trades look so much better if we are not giving up Al or Josh. We are stuck with this mediocre bunch, just face it. Crawford is the least of our problems. He is a side show that does not deserve this attention unless he can bring us back something really good
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