Atlanta Hawks: Down the road, Dampier might be best of rest

'Damp' might be best of big men left once he's released.

'Damp' might be best of big men left once he's released.

There doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm for the remaining free-agent centers. Understandable considering it wasn’t a deep crop of free agents to begin and it quickly thinned out after Shaq finished off the second wave of signings and now really looks to be shrug-worthy with Kwame Brown in Charlotte.

Brown’s signing also seems to mean Erick Dampier is the odd center out in Charlotte from among Nazr Mohammed and DeSagna Diop. As training camp approaches, the Hawks will look to see which vets are waived and presumably they’d be interested in Dampier if he’s let go since he’s probably a better option than the other centers on the market (comparisons below).

Dampier is owed $13 million in non-guaranteed money next season so Charlotte could waive him to clear salary but Bobcats GM Rod Higgins says he’s seeking to trade Dampier after Sept. 13. No team is going to pay Dampier that salary so he’ll become a free agent one way or the other.

From the AP via Yahoo! Sports:

Higgins’ next big move involves Dampier, acquired last month in a five-player deal that sent Chandler to the Mavericks. Dampier’s non-guaranteed contract is a big chip for the Bobcats, who are desperately trying to get under the NBA’s luxury-tax payroll threshold of $70.3 million.

Charlotte could simply waive Dampier and get under that figure, and they had planned to do that and re-sign him. Because Charlotte is over the salary cap, it only can offer Dampier $2.2 million this season, what’s left over from the $5.7 million midlevel exception after the Bobcats struck a two-year, $7 million deal with point guard Shaun Livingston a day after the Dampier trade.

The 35-year-old Dampier rejected that offer, but agent Dan Fegan said his client hasn’t completely ruled out returning to Charlotte if he’s waived.

“It’s not a closed deal from our perspective,” Fegan said. “I understand what Rod Higgins is trying to do. I have a good relationship with Rod, and I’m sure we’ll figure it out.”

The potential problem for the Hawks, of course, is if Dampier turned down $2.2 million from Charlotte he wouldn’t be inclined to sign for the minimum. Atlanta’s team salary is roughly $2.7 million under the luxury-tax threshold so there’s some wiggle room above his vet minimum of $1.35 million. Dampier wouldn’t come with the potential headaches that spooked them with Shaq so, who knows, maybe the Hawks would offer Dampier more than the minimum if it came to that.

So far the minimum looks to be the market price for Josh Boone, Francisco Elson and Brian Skinner. Here’s a statistical comparison of the four centers’ production per 48 minutes last season along with their opponents’ production per 48, via 82games.com. For Elson and Skinner, I used their 2008-09 statistics since they didn’t play significant minutes in 2009-10. These numbers come with the usual disclaimers about context, role, etc.

eFG%=effective field goal percentage
iFG%=inside field goal percentage

Dampier (1280 minutes played)

FGA=8.0
eFG%=.630
FTA=3.8
iFG=83%
REB=15.0
AST=1.2
TO=2.3
BLK=2.9
PF=5.7
PTS=12.3
PER=15.8

Opponent counterpart vs. Dampier

FGA=14.1
eFG%=.500
FTA=4.6
iFG=49%
REB=14.0
AST=2.1
TO=2.4
BLK=1.6
PF=4.2
PTS=17.5
PER=17.0

Boone (1045 minutes played; stats are for roughly 500 minutes played at center)

FGA=8.7
eFG%=.618
FTA=3.5
iFG=82%
REB=13.4
AST=1.3
TO=1.4
BLK=2.3
PF=5.8
PTS=11.9
PER=16.9

Opponent counterpart vs. Boone (at center)

FGA=14.2
eFG%=.516
FTA=8.0
iFG=55%
REB=13.4
AST=3.7
TO=3.3
BLK=1.9
PF=5.0
PTS=20.0
PER=20.5

Skinner (roughly 340 minutes played at center)

FGA=8.4
eFG%=.397
FTA=3.3
iFG=55%
REN=12.2
AST=1.6
BLK=2.7
PF=5.9
PTS=8.5
PER=8.7

Opponent production vs. Skinner (at center)

FGA=14.3
eFG%=.495
FTA=7.2
iFG=56%
REB=15.9
AST=2.6
TO=3.0
BLK=2.6
PF=4.5
PTS=19.1
PER=18.7

Elson (977 minutes played, all but a handful at center)

FGA eFG% FTA iFG REB AST TO BLK PF PTS PER

FGA=8.2
eFG=.509
FTA=1.9
iFG=51%
REB=11.3
AST=1.5
TO=2.4
BLK=1.8
PF=7.2
PTS=9.9
PER=11.8

Opponent counterpart vs. Elson

FGA=13.1
eFG%=0.572
FTA=6.0
iFG=57%
REB=13.9
AST=2.3
TO=2.6
BLK=1.9
PF=5.9
PTS=19.4
PER=20.7

A comparison of the four centers via basketballreference.com shows that Dampier comes out ahead in true shooting percentage (accounts for free throws), rebounding percentage, block percentage, offensive and defensive ratings and win shares. He’s good on the offensive glass, efficient scoring at the rim (and smart enough to almost never attempt shots away from the basket), doesn’t foul very much despite the good block rate and has the size to contend with the East’s post bangers.

Boone’s Synergy numbers as a post defender are pretty solid, suggesting he can hold his own down there with his length and relatively slight frame. He’s still only 25, too. But there doesn’t look to be an upward trend in his production. And it’s not like the Hawks are looking to give out a long-term deal, anyway.

Dampier spent years as a starter in the Mavericks’ winning program. Boone was a rookie on New Jersey’s ‘06-’07 playoffs squad. Elson played 20 postseason games for San Antonio’s 2007 champion. Skinner’s teams were bounced from the first round three out of four times; he was a bit player for Philadelphia’s ‘02-’03 team that made the second round.

Dampier seems to be a pretty low-maintenance vet. During the 2006 Finals, us hacks kept trying to bait him into verbally sparring with Shaq after he’d once famously called him “Ericka” Dampier. Dampier wouldn’t bite and was dang near emotionless when talking about. As I recall, he ended up being pretty solid off the bench against the Heat after not playing in the West finals.

So I guess all of this is a long way of saying Dampier appears to be a better option than the vet free agents available at the moment. I’d give Dampier the edge over Boone because of his size, defense, efficient scoring and an amazingly single-minded focus on his role. He’s a solid pro who might come at a reasonable price, which of course means there should be a market for him once he’s finally released.

MC

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The Truth

August 26th, 2010
12:59 am

Just to keep it real; it could be a bit presumptuous to assume the Hawks are overly interested in Dampier if the Bobcats waive him since he has barked at the 2.2M dollar offer, clearly he is looking for more. True he will not have much leverage with a non-guaranteed contract with a no-guaranteed date. But since there is still a market for a (best-available) center, he will create some competition around the league. We all know (so well) that the Hawks front office has been terrible at competing for any quality FA in the past, so it would be unwise to get a “hard-on” expecting this deal to happen in favor for the Hawks. The pacers also need a big man as well and want to dump T. J. Ford 8.5M contract now that they have Collison for only 1.4M. He even rejected a Pacer buyout so there is tension between the two parties. So if Amundson decides to go elsewhere, that could set the stage for some competition for Dampier between the Pacers (L. Bird) and the Hawks (R. Sund) as one possible scenario. Who do you think would win? Hopefully this will not happen and Dampier will just fall in Sund’s lap at vet min because that is the only way the Hawks acquire him.

Grandad

August 26th, 2010
1:21 am

Mary Ellen

Marv & Bibby was a hypothetical.
Dampier’s contract adds up to $13 mil.
Marv & Bibby adds up to $12.5 give or take.
All I was saying was if we wanted to dump salary;
we could trade those two for Dampier, then cut him.
We would then have that cap space.

Now if a team had a player with an egregious contract.
LA Clippers – Baron Davis
If LaC wanted to get rid of BD then a straight up
trade for Dampier would clear their books, then they
cut Dampier. I’m not saying they would make that trade
it’s just a simplified way of explaining.
@ least that’s my understanding.

Mid-Sept. multiple players can be added in.
Or, 60 days after his trade ‘from’ Dallas.

Honestly – we would not be in the mkt. for a
‘trade’ with Charlotte for Dampier.
Earlier scenario was only used as an example.

If he is eventually cut, then perhaps we would
consider him.
Although why, I do not know?

35 years old would be a 1 year (16-18 min) a game
def specialist. That job description already belongs
to Collins. [less min]

JoJo the Godfather

August 26th, 2010
6:03 am

Za Za’s stats:

FGA = 10.9 eFG% = .488 FTA = 6.3 iFG%= 65% REB = 12.9 AST = 1.9 TO = 2.6 BLK = 1.3 PF = 8.2 PER = 14.7

Za Za’s opponents:

FGA = 12.3 eFG% = .498 FTA = 5.7 iFG% = 52% REB = 12.9 AST = 2.1 TO = 2.8 BLK = 2.2 PF = 5.7 PER = 16.3

Very similar player to Dampier…Damp’s more efficient on offense & blocks more shots, but they have very similar rebounding styles…Sign the man in late Sept for anything less than $4M and its a good day’s work.

Just for fun, here’s Brendan Haywood’s stats:

FGA = 10.0 eFG% = .568 FTA = 5.6 iFG% = 82% REB = 13.5 AST = 1.6 TO = 2.1 BLK = 3.8 PF = 4.1 PER = 18.2

and his opponents:

FGA = 13.9 eFG% = .528 FTA = 4.3 iFG% = 54% REB = 13.0 AST = 1.7 TO = 3.0 BLK = 2.2 PF = 4.8 PER = 16.8

This guy just signed a 5-yr $40M+ contract…Just over 4 yrs younger than Dampier.

Tha Real Hawk

August 26th, 2010
6:32 am

Why are we still talking as if the Hawks are going to make some type of move?

vava74

August 26th, 2010
6:40 am

Grandad,

Last time I checked, Dampier still moved and banged.

Collins was seen moving only at the buffet…

Don’t get me wrong, I think Collins man to man defensive fundamentals are superior to Dampier, however, either he has made a serious commitment at losing 60/70 pounds of fat and a gain of 20 pounds of muscle or it would be a “no contest” in my books in favour of Dampier.

Dampier is a cronic under achiever and that puts me off a bit however I think if we don’t pick him up he will sign with a serious playoff team anyhow, maybe even a contender (Lakers?)

jcboyett

August 26th, 2010
7:43 am

sign boone already, do something

vava74

August 26th, 2010
7:43 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-power-forwards-10-through-1;_ylt=AvOLcQX.48iDc0YWkU_K8eW8vLYF?urn=nba-265161

Apart from Josh’s rank which is irrelevant coming from the idiot that writes this ranking, the funny fact is to confirm that Troy Murphy is a defensive disaster (the idiot ranks him relatively high on the adjoining piece).

He appears in all photos but two being beaten by the featured PF. The two were that doesn’t happen?

Zach Randoph’s where Troy is managing to put some defensive pressure and Kevin Love, who, since he is as slow as Troy, they could not find any good picture of him dunking on him… :-D

Willy

August 26th, 2010
7:58 am

The name “Dampier” sounds cool and it would be neat to see a name with that sort of gravitas on our bench – request APPROVED.

dukester

August 26th, 2010
8:05 am

*WAKE UP!!!!!*. First off Dampier is a 7ft player, 7ft centers just dont get waived in the NBA. Second he is a 7ft center with an non-guaranteed 13 million dollar contract. So yes that means Charlotte wants to improve their roster with at least one player. Even if Charlotte was to be dumb enough to just drop a 13 million non-guaranteed 7ft center out on the street do you how many teams will be willing to line up and trade to guarantee that the get the 13 million dollar 7ft center piece of trash. LOL Come on folks the only way you are getting Dampier if is you are the highest bidder for that contract.!! And we all know (lets say it together) THE HAWKS LIKE THEIR CORE PLAYERS!!

But you guys insist on displaying your pipe dreams on this blog here are mine:

1. Trade Marvin and Jamal Crawford and a 1st rd pick for Carmelo
2.Pry a center from Dallas somehow someway(Tyson Chandler) he gave D12(Howard) the fits
O and Rick Sund you got yourself in this situation with Bibby,Marvin and Zaza resignings im afraid if you dont get yourself out under those contracts they will be the ones that get you fired.

Robert

August 26th, 2010
8:19 am

sorry tjhook,but getting rid of jamal crawford is a no-no.I do like Rondo’s suggestion of getting rid of Collins and Morris to sign Boone and Dampier.

jason

August 26th, 2010
8:24 am

dukester i don’t think we should trade jamal. i mean scary shooter. can easily average 20 points per game if LD starts him. and he just good. We should be tradeing zaza marv bibby and mo for him. That way we can be in a rebuilding process. And for all you people who think We have a good point guard you are wrong becuz if you did watch the orlando series we were dominated at the point, small foward, and center. So ASG loook into signing a guy like larry hughes or AI or rafer Alston or Boone or trading for dampier and jerry stackhouse.

Samuel

August 26th, 2010
8:27 am

Atlanta’s team salary is roughly $2.7 million under the luxury-tax threshold so there’s some wiggle room above his vet minimum of $1.35 million. Dampier wouldn’t come with the potential headaches that spooked them with Shaq so, who knows, maybe the Hawks would offer Dampier more than the minimum if it came to that.

You can’t be serious.

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
8:29 am

I know Louis Amundson is smallish for a C – but he would bring some more excitement to the Hawks if we could get him – fun to watch and a hustler.

Trey Thompkins is perfect for the Motion Offense BTW…..maybe we can grab him next year in the draft.

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
8:42 am

So in the above link, this guy ranks Boozer, Bosh, and Amare ahead of Josh in the East PF’s? So if that’s true, still no All-Star game for Josh this year.

I’ll rank Josh ahead of Boozer, and he get’s either the 11th or 12th spot on the All-Star roster thank you.

Hawks could have 3 All-Stars – JJ, Al, And Josh – that’s not bad, and I like our supporting cast much better than the Heat’s supporting cast.

At any rate, to say we have 3 of the 20 best players in the East is definitely not a stretch – we should be able to compete.

ILL-Logical

August 26th, 2010
8:47 am

History and logic suggest that the Hawks are going to start the season with basically the same roster as last seson’s 53 win team under the assumption that revenues will remain flat and therefore no major expenditures can be made until the new CBA is in place and the economy improves 0ver the next two years.

The two year time frame is based on the ASG’s plans to attract additional investors/ reducing the current investor roll by controlling costs while maintaining the Hawks winning ways.Currently,the Thrashers are the biggest drain on cash flow; the plan is to attract an investor(s) who can provide the capital to reduce the losses and stabilize the franchise. The ownership agreement requires that both the Hawks and the Thrashers to remain tenants at Phillips Arena, so selling one or the other at this time is problematic.
Meanwhile, with a 3 year playoff streak in hand, ownership is being optimistic but conservative regarding the Hawks. If there are any trades this season, the most likely candidate is Mo because Pape Say is probably going to get his role as a defensive stopper for 3 positions-point, SG and SF- as opposed to 2 for Mo ,at a significantly reduced price.

2012. That is when there will be some dramatic activity regarding the Hawks’ roster.

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
8:52 am

Let’s see – JJ is the 2nd best SG in the East – behind DWade.
Horford is arguably the 3rd best C in the East – behind DHoward and Brook Lopez (maybe).
Josh is probably considered the 3rd best PF (at least) in the East – behind Amare and Bosh.

Yep, looks like we should be able to compete pretty well barring injury….

I’ll say it again, I don’t think it’s any stretch saying the Hawks have 3 of the 20 best players in the East – that’s not bad guys.

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
8:54 am

I know we’re undersized up front, but we did have 2 of the top 18 rebounders in the the NBA last season.

Veteran Fan

August 26th, 2010
8:59 am

Like Dampier or any true center to move Al to the 4 spot. Memphis might go for Marvin straight up for Thabeet! If following moves are made Dampier would run to join Atlanta! Trade Josh even up for Carmelo after he signs extension. Trade Bibby, Crawford, and #1 for Chris Paul. Championship line up Paul, JJ, Melo, Al, and Dampier. Four All Stars overcomes three in Miami and Boston. Reserves long and strong Marvin, Evans, Jordan Crawford, Teague, Zaza, Collins, Morris, and Sy. Other than Dampier, very young team will compete for title for 4 years minimum! With these moves top 4 team in the league without we fall to fighting for our playoff lives with Charlotte and the also rans!

Rufus1

August 26th, 2010
9:56 am

Steve W

I think Josh and Al are #2 at their positions.

Boozer doesn’t play any defense and Josh’s defense changes games….Josh’s defense changes Boozer’s game…to 9pts 8rbs.

O'Brien

August 26th, 2010
10:09 am

If Dampier gets waived, the Bobcats offer is $2.2 mil again, which keeps them under the luxury tax. If I’m the Hawks, I would offer him $2.6 mil, which would still keep us under the luxury tax.

But knowing the Hawks, I think they will only offer him the minimum (or they will talk about making him an offer, to make fans think they are really interested).

And then Dampier will end up signing with another team for the same money the Hawks “allegedly” were interested in offering.

But I hope I’m wrong.

KevinM

August 26th, 2010
10:12 am

VetFan, wow, that bundle of action blows my mind.
Do you really think Sund can get past the 1st suggestion? Thabeet for Marvin? We wish! I myself would be thrilled to not have a SF to start the season if it means an improved backline.

SteveW, we are badly undersized and that doesn’t work in the playoffs. No one less than 6′11″ should be considered. 2 names:

DeAndre Jordan – 854K salary with the Clippers 6′11″ 250 – trade a future 2nd

Jason Thompson – 3 years, 2.1M /3.0/4.1 6′11″ 250 – could we push Mo Evans and a 2nd out there?

Both these guys eat JC3 for after game dessert. Can we call Collins JC3 since he is guaranteed out of the gate? I sure would like to know who has the lovefest with JC3 to sign him so early?

Both would dip into Al’s and Zaza’s minutes at the 5, and we can ship Collins to the end of the bench. Perhaps one of them would threaten the core rotation?

Grandad
August 26th, 2010
12:03 am

“*[Pape Sy]* will be our 13th man on the roster”
Grandad, if this happens, then the Hawks are expecting very little from slot 13. Sy will ’see’ no PT.

What is it with this team freezing the roster at 13? They think we are always going to be injury free?

Section 303, you are quickly becoming realistic with the management group. They simply can’t agree on anything other than exceeding the cap.

Looking a bit ahead, how much grief will E#2 catch if he gets off to a slow start? I can hear the boo-birds already…..for a guy who had the whole city backing him…..he has to repair the chip he has developed on his shoulder.

Hawks73

August 26th, 2010
10:13 am

Maybe the Hawks will pursue Granville Waiters…at this point that may be all they can get….GO ATL SPIRIT!!!!

JoJo the Godfather

August 26th, 2010
10:26 am

O’Brien…I think the biggest competition for Dampier will come from Detroit who can offer him a starting job and up to the full MLE, although I’m not sure where that would put their total team salary in relation to the luxury tax…Cleveland could also offer a starting job at up to the full MLE and keep Verejao coming off the bench…Many people are saying Indy, but they are more of a younger team and have Hibbert, Foster & Solo at center already…I think Indy is looking more for a PF to go with McRoberts & Psycho T (Amundsen rumor)…Miami could also give him a chance to start for the league minimum.

terrell

August 26th, 2010
10:44 am

Being saying it for weeks. To be honest, I’d take Damp over Kwame, Skinner, Boone, Elson, and Shaquille “I’ll tear up your lockeroom” OLDneal.

vava74

August 26th, 2010
10:46 am

Look for Dampier to join the Lakers…

They need an extra body in the event that Bynum continues to struggle with his knees and his conditioning…

terrell

August 26th, 2010
10:48 am

I love it when guys come on here every now and then claiming to be Hawks fans, and they’re still saying Al Hortford. lol!

Barton

August 26th, 2010
10:49 am

Grandad – appreciate the follow up. The Darko bit was a little comic relief from my whining. Good point on all of these “centers” wanting to be oversized PF’s. The fact that we don’t develop fundamentals at an early stage anymore is kind of sad and I wonder when big men are going to realize that it hurts their chances of being dominate and making the big money for longer periods of time once they reach the NBA. There’s a reason “The Big Fundamental” was dominate for so long and continues to be dominate. Bank shots, boxing out, low post moves, I don’t remember a time when Tim Duncan couldn’t do all of these things. Flash needs to exit the NBA. Watching this international play has been mildly refreshing given that all of these offenses have screens, ball movement, off-the-ball movement, and DEFENSE. I’ve missed that good ol’ hard nosed defense. I don’t think I would have too many dissenters if I called for the NBA to adopt a more international style of play.

terrell

August 26th, 2010
10:50 am

Braves choking away big leads like Woody’s Hawks.

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
10:50 am

KevinM – I agree, the game slows down in the playoffs. That’s 1 reason I see Super Friends in Miami as having a great regular season, but when they meet a big team in the playoffs, they may have trouble.

P.S. Some would rank Bogut ahead of Horford at C – I say after his brutal injury, let’s wait and see.

Damp – better Rebounder and Shot Blocker last year than Shaq, in near identical minutes – just sayin’..

Also, if Damp want the MLE – Bibby makes basically the MLE this year and next, and Charlotte needs a PG according to them

So would you guys trade Bibby for Dampier, and sign a Anthony Johnson/Rafer Alston type (or somebody else) to back up Teague the PG? Or not yet?

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
10:54 am

We also have 3m from draft day to use….again, just sayin’.

Michael Cunningham

August 26th, 2010
10:59 am

@ Tommy Wright: “Please take Boone and Skinner off the list please..Both are around 6 ft 8…Why get smaller? You do understand that Hortford is 6 ft 8? WE HAVE THE SMALLEST FRONT COURT IN THE NBA!!”

sorry, but those are guys the Hawks at least are looking at. Boone is 6-10 and long.

GeeMack

August 26th, 2010
11:01 am

Big body with no skill? Yep that’s usually the Hawks route.

D.S.G.B.

August 26th, 2010
11:18 am

here it goes. trade jamal crawford, marvin williams, and mike bibby, for jr smith, carmello anthony, and ty lawson. the trade was successfull on trade machine, and it said we would would improve by eleven games. that means we would be in the 60s win column. now the only thing is we need somehow hypnotize the nuggets so that they will do this trade, because it would be great for us, the only problem is it wont be so good for them. anybody know a hypnotist?

SteveW

August 26th, 2010
11:27 am

MC – I’m not opposed to signing Josh Boone and calling it a day – esp. if we thought that Al and Josh could somehow help him develop his obvious potential.

Hoopinion has a Hawks poll out on who #13 should be on our roster – at last check – Josh Boone wins in a landslide.

Also, I think if we bring Pape over, he’s not #13 but #14 and plays in the D-League. I still think we sign 1 more big.

Hope it’s Damp or Boone

O'Brien

August 26th, 2010
11:48 am

vava,

If Dampier goes to the Lakers, then I would expect them to make it to the NBA finals.

JoJo,

I guess the biggest issue would be would Dampier want to sign with a playoff team, sign for the most money he can, or both.

As for signings, if the Hawks dont get Dampier, my next choice is Josh Boone. He is skinny, but he usually rebounds well, and appears to be a decent defender.

I still wonder why the Hawks havent traded Mo Evans and his expiring contract. The guy is a SG (we already have 2 of the best in the league), and he is too small to defend SFs consistently.

Why can’t we trade his $2.5 mil for somebody else, and then sign Rodney Carney for the vet minimum?

ReddJonn68

August 26th, 2010
12:01 pm

Yep just what the Hawks need in post Erica Dampier !!! Go ahead & sign one the softest center in the league over the last 5 yrs, this surely will catapult us to the top of the EAST !!!

GeeMack

August 26th, 2010
12:34 pm

This is the way we should approach the offseason.

LA Lakers: Won the Champioship

Weaknesses; PG on the ball defense, 3 point shooting & an unproductive bench

Solution: they signed Steve to help out at the pg postion.

He and Barnes are very good 3 point shooters.

Along with Theo Ratliff, Matt Barnes, Steve Blake, Lamar Odom, and Shannon Brown you give yourself the best bench you’ve had in years.

Boston; Lost in the NBA Final

Weakness; Rebounding, Lost Tony Allen

They signed Shaq & J.O. Signed Von Wafer who was excellent in Houston coming off the bench. They brought back Natt Robinson to relieve Rondo.
They now have 5 big bodies with skills to through at the Heat, Lakers, Magic, & Spurs.

Miami: First Rd exit

Weaknesses: 2nd scoring option, depth, size, and shooting.

They signed LBJ & Bosh as additional scoring options. Signed Big Z for size. Haslem, Miller, Anthony, James Jones, and Arroy for depth.

JoJo the Godfather

August 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

Atlanta Hawks: Blown out in 2nd round

Weaknesses: Shiddy coach

Solution : Fired his azz.

(Sorry, I couldn’t resist…I absolutely get your point and agree with it…It’s all about ownership and their willingness to spend to address needs)

I.MUS WRITE

August 26th, 2010
12:53 pm

Good Post GeeMack,seems like we’re one of the few teams that did absolutely nothing this summer. Powell and Cheeseburger-Im losing intrest by the day. Geaux Falcons!!!!

drmaryb (*_*)

August 26th, 2010
12:55 pm

Rufus1

Said: “Boozer doesn’t play any defense and Josh’s defense changes games….Josh’s defense changes Boozer’s game…to 9pts 8rbs.”

Enthusiastic Co-Sign!

JoJo the Godfather

August 26th, 2010
12:59 pm

GeeMack…Those are 3 teams that didn’t have huge weaknesses (especially after Bosh & LeBron had pre-arranged their destination)…I can list several huge weaknesses for this Hawks team (coaching, PG, SF production, perimeter defense in general, Size at the 5, quality depth, etc…)…I don’t know that we could have addressed them all in one offseason, but I would have rather seen us address at least 3 or 4 rather than 1 or 2.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 26th, 2010
1:04 pm

SteveW

Said: “Also, if Damp want the MLE – Bibby makes basically the MLE this year and next, and Charlotte needs a PG according to them

So would you guys trade Bibby for Dampier, and sign a Anthony Johnson/Rafer Alston type (or somebody else) to back up Teague the PG? Or not yet?”

Enthusiastic Co-Sign!

vava74

August 26th, 2010
1:06 pm

Making “moves” during the Summer does not equate to more wins or more playoff success.

We made the most important move of them all: getting rid of Woody and hiring a coach with the right philosophy.

I don’t care that he is “minimum wage”, I only care that he has said all the right things and seems to be a guy who knows how to handle different characters and personalities.

Nonetheless we do have potentially 3 weak points:

PG: if Teague does not pan out as we hope, then we will need to reconsider where we are.

SF: if JJ is not allocated to the SF slot, then we have an overflow of SG and a shortage of SF (only Marvin)

C: We could use a better banger than Collins, someone who could contribute for 15/20 minutes on both ends (a motivated* Dampier would suit us marvelously).

* something he only showed once in his career: the contract year at GS

Dampier SUCKS!!!

August 26th, 2010
1:40 pm

MC…you are very good…..nothing against you…but F Dampier.
He is an old washed up historical bum.
I don’t even want to read anything about him…he is useless and his career is useless.

Grandad

August 26th, 2010
1:59 pm

KevinM

Not only do I think ‘Paps’ makes the roster,
I think he makes the rotation.
If Marvin is not careful, ‘Paps’ will beat him
out & start @ the [3].
LD loves him. [defensive stopper] @ 3 positions.

Grandad

August 26th, 2010
2:00 pm

Rev in Tampa

August 26th, 2010
2:12 pm

Vava74, I agree enthusiastically with all your points. I would add a fourth potential weak point – an untimely injury. The Hawks lack of depth could really throw the season into a tailspin if part of the “core” sustains an injury.

Grandad

August 26th, 2010
2:15 pm

Barton

“I don’t think I would have too many dissenters
if I called for the NBA to adopt a more international
style of play.”

I’m right there with you.

*FIBA:
(1) they call walking/traveling
(2) more physical
(3) less free throws
(4) cannot get to rim unimpeded [with ball]
*in other words
(5) superstars not protected
(6) zones
(7) trapezoidal lanes
(8) adds more strategory to games

Rev in Tampa

August 26th, 2010
3:05 pm

Grandad, I agree with you on the international style of play. Zone defenses are the epitome of team defense. It makes an offense work harder with ball movement. Therefore it encourages team offense as well.

Rev in Tampa

August 26th, 2010
3:07 pm

Grandad, I like the word “strategory”.