Atlanta Hawks: Kwame Brown off the board

Re-u-nited and it feels so . . . strange.

Re-u-nited and it feels so . . . strange.

Another free-agent center off the board for the Hawks as Kwame Brown joined up with Charlotte. Brown’s agent told ESPN.com’s Marc Stein that Brown signed with the Bobcats for the veteran’s minimum

For those who still care to keep track, that narrows down the list of free-agent centers the Hawks are known to have some degree of interest in to Francisco Elson, Brian Skinner and Josh Boone.

Atlanta had some interest in Brown, who is the second center to opt to sign elsewhere for the same money–and it’s not like he’s chasing a ring or something like Shaq. Brown isn’t on strong Shaq’s level, of course, and it never seemed like the Hawks were that high on him. Still, it’s interesting that he decided to reunite with MJ and play for Larry Brown.

Agent Mark Bartelstein addressed the Jordan part:

“There’s been so much written about the fact that this was Michael’s first pick [as an executive] and so much criticism directed at both of them when it didn’t work out. When that happens you can do one of two things. You can run from all that or you can use it as motivation. What better way to try to turn your career around than to go back to where it all started?

“There were a lot of easier places Kwame could have gone, a lot of safer places. I think this says a lot about his competitive instinct and fire that he wanted to take on this challenge.”

– Still nothing to report on Pape Sy’s buyout or Jamal’s extension. Rick Sund is on vacation.

– Jamal got some love in this Seattle Times piece by Mason Kelley, whom I know from my days in South Florida. I can confirm Mason has a nice jumper but could probably use help from Jamal on his crossover.

Terry Mosher of the Kitsap Sun (dope newspaper name) reports the Marvin Williams Center is planned to open in Bremerton, Wash., in 2012.

MC

206 comments Add your comment

Josh Boone

August 24th, 2010
7:11 pm

Josh Boone, it’s a no brainer.

JustAThought

August 24th, 2010
7:57 pm

Hey Rufus…….last I counted the Cowboys (Jerry Jones) has won 3 super bowls, and granted it’s been a while, but I still think it’s more than the hawks have won since 1968 or their exsistance, whichever you prefer.

JustAThought

August 24th, 2010
7:59 pm

So what happens if the Wade and LeBron figure out that both of them don’t have to be the man every night……….they can take turns. What then……………..

JustAThought

August 24th, 2010
8:11 pm

Buddy, your comment about Al not re-signing is a REAL possiblity……………Why would he want to stay and play for an inept bunch of owners and gm who could make a REAL deal if there life depended on it. PATHETIC!

JustAThought

August 24th, 2010
8:13 pm

Of course I meant COULD’NT make a REAL deal……….

Steven A.

August 24th, 2010
8:29 pm

TRADE AL HORFORD
Only way i beleive Hawks re-sign Horford is if they allow Jamal to walk. Horford is more easily replaced
than Jamal; He will never have enough range to step out and consistently make a 20 footer from the pf
position. Horford is probably the most tradeable asset on the roster who Hawks can afford to lose.
He brings back a number 1 pick plus a starter.

Ted Striker

August 24th, 2010
8:45 pm

I’ll sign. Of course I’m only 5′1″ with a zero vertical leap but I’m available.

gman013

August 24th, 2010
8:48 pm

Hey guys two of the atown dancers are on Minute to Win It on NBC

Buddy Grizzard

August 24th, 2010
9:09 pm

“COULD’NT make a REAL deal……….” – JustAThought

Sund made an incredible deal to land Jamal. Best trade for Atlanta since we got Mookie for Rumeal Robinson. Always keep in mind though, Sund is the guy who hired Bob Weiss. If Drew turns out to be the next Doc Rivers, he was in no way Sund’s pick. The owners listened to the players. They wanted Drew and turned out en masse for his introductory press conference. Ownership figured they had a better chance of getting the players to buy into a new system if they went with a coach the players already liked and trusted. I truly believe it was more about trust than saving a few dollars.
So after the trade that brought us Jamal Crawford, Sund was riding high. If he could have followed that up by landing us a top 30 point guard, the Hawks would really be in the conversation right now. This offseason I would have liked to see Joe Johnson traded to a team like New Jersey for draft picks. Johnson would not have lifted the Nets out of the lottery, so those picks would become very valuable. Meanwhile Jamal Crawford becomes the starter at two guard. Yes we lose some defense, but his $10m per season contract is half of Johnson’s and I think three Hawks go to the All Star game in Johnson’s absense. AND Marvin Williams would have a breakout season out of Johnson’s ball-dominating shadow and in a system that produces open jump shots.
“Horford is more easily replaced than Jamal” – Steven A.
Whoah… whoah… whoah… I’ve been trying to get this across to blogland. There were 5 centers in the NBA All Star Game last year. Al Horford was one of them. Center is the most difficult position to staff in professional basketball. For those who argue over and over that Al Horford is really a power forward, I submit to you that not only is he a center, he is one of the top 5 centers ALIVE.
After Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul, the next free agent who will have the world talking is Horford. He is irreplaceable. Jamal Crawford would be a middle-of-the-pack starter at two guard, given his defensive liabilities.

ILL-Logical

August 24th, 2010
9:31 pm

“After Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul, the next free agent who will have the world talking is Horford. He is irreplaceable”

Sir,please step away from the computer and would you touch the end of your nose with your index finger.

All Star Al is a GOOD player who has achieved a great deal in 3 professional seasons.However,he is far from irreplaceable or even one of the 5 best centers in the league. Dwight Howard; Andrew Buynam; Brook Lopez and even his former team mate Mr. Noah could replace him on the current Hawk roster and the team would function very well.
Let’s not confuse effort with ability.

Sautee

August 24th, 2010
9:35 pm

Buddy G,

You DO realize, don’t you that there’s no way we could have traded JJ to NJ unless he requested a trade with them? He was an UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. He could only be traded in a sign-and-trade deal, and that would only happen with a team of HIS choosing.

I agree with you about Horford.

Sautee

August 24th, 2010
9:39 pm

ILL,

OK after your post I realize that I was being unclear. Buddy, I agree that other teams are likely to try to give a high bid for Horford that we’ll be forced to match unless we can sign him to a new deal before he becomes a RFA.

Grandad

August 24th, 2010
10:04 pm

Ill-Logical

No way Bynum player for player is as good as Al.
[regardless of position]
I would not trade Al for Bynum.
If for no other reason…..his injury history.

O'Brien

August 24th, 2010
10:14 pm

ILL-Logical,

One of the issues with Bynum and Noah is they are injury prone.

Grandad

August 24th, 2010
10:27 pm

The Truth

I hope I’m not taking what you said out of context.

“duped by LD’s promises. We are all too familiar with they’re gimmickry. Even with his innovative ideas”

If you are saying LD’s concepts (motion offense in particular)
are gimmicks then I must heartily disagree. Everything LD has
talked about to this point has been fundamental in concept.

I understood your premis & do not challenge the essence of your post.

northcyde

August 24th, 2010
11:14 pm

Steven A.

August 24th, 2010
8:29 pm

TRADE AL HORFORD

Only way i beleive Hawks re-sign Horford is if they allow Jamal to walk. Horford is more easily replaced than Jamal; He will never have enough range to step out and consistently make a 20 footer from the pf
position.
Horford is probably the most tradeable asset on the roster who Hawks can afford to lose. He brings back a number 1 pick plus a starter.

***********

Horford shooting last year from 16 – 23 FT?

48% . . ( best on the team from that range and top 10 in the league )

drmaryb ^•^

August 24th, 2010
11:57 pm

Fundamentals

Like you? I’m just keeping it real!
You know what a White Christmas is in the hood.
“I’m dreaming of a White Christmas … Just like the ones we used to have.”
We were so poor?

We had to put our Cheerios on Lay-A-Way!
We knew it was Christmas – When Mamma made pancakes AND Bacon!
How did Mamma feed 5 kids cereal with one bowl and one glass of milk?

- Easy, the baby eat first, the first for used a fork and passed the bowl down,
The oldest one got to use a spoon – so he could get every drop!-

You see, I already know how to be a Hawk Fan when the ASG ain’t got no money!
You just got to believe, and dream, and wish, and you guessed it!

-Have HIGH HOPES!

Let me clear my throat to sing:
HIGH HOPES …. La La La La …. HIGH HOPES … Fa La La La La ..

OK, that’s enough. I feel better already.

The Truth

August 25th, 2010
12:04 am

Grandad

The “they’re gimmickry” I am referring to is NOT LD but that of the Hawks front office.

northcyde

August 25th, 2010
3:27 am

If you want to hear one of the most spirited interviews ever by an NBA owner, go to http://www.730foxsports.com and listen to the Chris Vernon Show’s interview with Memphis Grizzlies owner, Michael Heisley. They go back and forth for almost 40 minutes, with the show host getting right to the point and Heisley not holding his tongue whatsoever.

In some parts of the interview, you could easily substitute the names of Grizzly players and front office people, with the names of Hawk players and front office people.

MC . . . if you get a chance, you really need to listen to that interview. Surely the Hawks owners are more knowledgeable than Heisley. But it’s kind of scary the similarities that both fan bases share in their opinion of the ownerships of the two teams.

I would love to see some ATL radio personality go at Micheal Gearon Jr, like Chris Vernon did Heisley.

Reggie

August 25th, 2010
4:01 am

@ CP…Have you ever seen an NBA game? Did you see how Jason Collins actually managed to frustrate and defend Shaq in the paint when the Hawks played the Cavs not to mention Game 2 against Orlando when the Hawks actually had the lead. Collins made Dwight work to get low post position and was called for 2 very chippy fouls and Woody never put him back in the game. Weight issues had nothing to do with Woodson refusal to use certain players…i guess Jeff Teague and Joe Smith were to thin! And if you think Kwame Brown has any value over anyone then… you sir are an idiot.

O'Brien

August 25th, 2010
7:29 am

“Horford is probably the most tradeable asset on the roster who Hawks can afford to lose. He brings back a number 1 pick plus a starter.” StevenA .

You do know Horford is still on his rookie contract, right? And if the Hawks trade Horford, who plays Center?

Rufus1,

I think most owners want to win games and make money. So even if the Magic spend $85 mil, the fact is they have ade an NBA finals and 2 ECF (overall, their fans are pleased), and ownership has made that money back.

Aren’t the Hawks losing millions every year? I dont think the Magic have that problem.

jason

August 25th, 2010
8:18 am

This Off season i give it D. Reason why is becuase we blew our cap space. We need to start rebuilding this team like what Miami did. The only center i would go after is josh boone. He can block shots and is one of the best rebounders ever. The point guard i want who can still play is AI. terrific shooter. Former Mvp. and he is cheap. Small fowardz i would look into getting is jerry stackhouse. then we should trade marvin and zaza to denver for jr smith.

robdawg08

August 25th, 2010
8:22 am

Why did the Hawks give Joe Johnson a max contract when no other team was close to signing him for that kind of money (or the extra year) ? They are placing the success of this team on a guard that isn’t consistent and shows up every other game, disappears in the playoffs,doesn’t care about Hawks fans any way (his own words). Still no bonafide center on the roster (after 20 years). Wait, they had Rasheed Wallace for 2 games… What kind of an organization builds an NBA team without a 7 foot scoring center over 10 years ?
Hawks will be dominated (as every team) by the Heat. It will be a dunkarama with LeBron & Bosh seeing who can do the best dunks over Al & Zaza. Wade will be up court grinning…

robdawg08

August 25th, 2010
8:39 am

Kwame Brown is the main reason Jordan got fired by the Wizards. So now he still thinks he can still make Kwame a good player after Kwame’s 10 years older and slower ? Funny…

robdawg08

August 25th, 2010
8:43 am

Miami rebuilt their team ? Hey stupid, they merely signed 3 all-stars. You BUILD a team through the draft. I could start a team called the Columbia Sharks and sign LeBron,Wade,& Bosh and win. Miami just BOUGHT a championship. They didn’t BUILD anything.

robdawg08

August 25th, 2010
9:04 am

I think Kwame is African word for “can’t shoot a basketball”.

JoJo the Godfather

August 25th, 2010
9:46 am

I noticed this morning where Houston’s GM (Morey???) has 14 guys under guaranteed contracts and 5 guys coming in to camp to compete for that last spot…How nice would it be to have our team looking at that many young players?…I don’t like their team as much as ours when I look 1-10, but the perception is that they’ll leave no stone unturned to try to find young talent to develop.

ASHCAN.

August 25th, 2010
10:23 am

SECTION 303,i feel ya and i have a bad feeling too about this year.Everyone knows the heat is stocked but then you have orlando there better,the bulls are better,the bucks will be better and they took the hawks to 7 games without redd and there starting center.I could be wrong but i see them clearly as the 6th seed in the east.Same team new/old coach and no major FA= decline looking at the other teams.I don’t understand why everyone is saying miami looks good on paper but they still gotta play the game.Yea thats true but you have 2 of the top 3(kobe)players in the game and espect for them to just look good on paper? get real!!!

ASHCAN.

August 25th, 2010
10:33 am

robdawg08,thats your opinion.Adding to is building and taking away is dismantle.How can you say its not building when you just added 2 other key players that are in there 20’s that signed 6 year deals? Building a team is not just from drafting rooks but from signing FA’S also.So just because its not thru a draft don’t mean it aint building.These player’s(bosh,james)will play thru there 6 year contracts and still be good.Sounds like building a team to me.

Rev in Tampa

August 25th, 2010
10:45 am

I just read an ESPN article about Kwame. What was interesting was what it said about Dampier. It looks like Charlotte was too smart by half. Maybe it will result in a trade after Sept. 13. It also pointed out that Charlotte’s needs are at pg & center:

Meanwhile, Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins says they’ll try to trade Dampier — and his $13 million non-guaranteed contract — after Sept. 13 when he can be included in multiplayer deals.
“It’s going to take a while,” Higgins said. “Now that we’ve got another center, waiving him for the sake of waiving him doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for us. We’re going to continue to talk to teams to try to improve our roster.”
Charlotte could simply waive Dampier and get under that figure, and they had planned to do that and re-sign him. Because Charlotte is over the salary cap, it only can offer Dampier $2.2 million this season, what’s left over from the $5.7 million mid-level exception after the Bobcats struck a two-year, $7 million deal with point guard Shaun Livingston a day after the Dampier trade.
The 35-year-old Dampier rejected that offer, but agent Dan Fegan said his client hasn’t completely ruled out returning to Charlotte if he’s waived.
“It’s not a closed deal from our perspective,” Fegan said. “I understand what Rod Higgins is trying to do. I have a good relationship with Rod, and I’m sure we’ll figure it out.”
It just could take a while.
If the Bobcats can’t get anything in return for Dampier, they’ll go into camp with major questions at center and point guard after Raymond Felton signed with New York.
“We’re always looking around the league with how we can improve, but I think this is going to be an opportunity for someone to step up,” Higgins said. “That’s the beautiful thing about competition. Looking at our roster, that competition is really going to be at [point guard] and [center].”

Rufus1

August 25th, 2010
11:25 am

O’brien

I could be wrong, but I think the Hawks are 21st in revenue and the Magic are 20th. I have been unable to find the article with the revenue rankings for the NBA…Maybe Northcyde can find it. If the Hawks are losing money at 21 then the Magic must be losing money at 20.

93mil payroll before the Lux tax, they have to be losing a ton of money.

cp

August 25th, 2010
11:32 am

Reggie the fact that you could only come up with two occasions where you thought Collins was useful says it all. What does Collins being so fat he had to be put on the injured list has to do with Teague and his playing time? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING… Woodson didn’t play Collins because he is a horrible player. It had nothing to do with his actual talent because other than being big he has none.. Still lmao@bringing up guarding Shaq and Dwight as examples of how good you think Collins is…….

Let me throw some numbers out there to show just how terrible Collins is…. The last three years his fg% has been .348% .314 and .426….This is a 7 footer shooting in the 30’s smh….. His rebounding numbers 0.6, 2,3 , 2.1, 2.9.. Yea a 7 footer who cant even grab 3 rebounds per game.. His best rebounding year was only 6.1… Didn’T Marvin average over 6 boards from the sf position one year? Collins sucks. And oh yea he has averaged more fouls per game than rebounds the last 3 almost 4 years. So once again explain to me how this dude should have been playing? You can blame Woodpecker for a lot of things but not playing this bum is not one of them

Reggie you lose all credibility for even defending Jason Collins. You shouldn’t even post here anymore. Good day sir.

GeeMack

August 25th, 2010
11:36 am

robdawg08

It’s not buying a champioship when you cleared and traded for cap space to rebuild your team, into a potential champion. Any other team had those same oppurtunity, but failed to capitalize….Miami capitalized.

BYC

August 25th, 2010
11:37 am

Great news, Kwame Brown sucks. Hands of Stone- good for boxing, not so much for basketball

Daddy Long Long

August 25th, 2010
11:40 am

Fellow Hawks fans, I’m reading Coach Lenny Wilken’s book “Unguarded” and the Hawks haven’t been right since they left St. Louis. Good history lesson. So no sense in getting our hopes up thinking we’ll get a “Center” of attraction.

Cancelling my season tix dreams/aspirations. Good luck ATL, I’ll catch ya on Fox Sports Souf!!

BARTELSTEIN THE IDIOT!!!

August 25th, 2010
11:57 am

KWAME BROWN didn’t live up to his high draft pick status…..
that’s on him for not putting in the work…and it’s on MJ for overrating him.
Kwame Brown SUCKS!!! He is a bust….no matter where he goes…his legacy is sealed…..he is a sucky bust!!!

KevinM

August 25th, 2010
12:44 pm

What’s funny is after I started reading about Charlotte’s challenges with Dampier, it sounds like we sound more and more like them as opposed to a championship contender. Their needs: PG and C.
They have athlete Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, Tyrus Thomas and DJ Augustine. I think we have problems with a team like this all year. Really, I don’t see a lot of difference and Larry Brown trumps any offense LD brings in here.
Going forward, Al IMO won’t be signed until after the CBA is resolved. Jamal will be looking for work.
Bibby-he plays better in this new thinking man’s offense than our young PG.
It looks pretty clear to me; what we see now is what we’ll see this year. Collins will get his shot, Zaza will get to show off his boxing skills and Marvin can prove whether he deserves that #21 ranking in the league being a former #2.
For that prediction of 41-41, there really isn’t much difference between our 53 wins and 41 wins in the regular season. Making better decisions as a team on the road is the only way we are going to improve.

And let’s clear up one thing: Al should not have been an all-star last year. Smoove was a better player, deserved the nod, and were Al not getting his minutes at C, he wouldn’t have been on that team. I think the world of Al, but his position of strength is PF, and that is what you heard from LD this offseason.

And please, no more JR Smith talk. There isn’t room for him here. We don’t have much use for a producing veteran unless he is a minimum salary. And you don’t get much for a min vet. JR Smith can play, but he isn’t core capable.

If we consider Dampier, that is an all out slap in the face to Shaq. That would convince me even more that Sund has gained his position based on longevity and not by successes.

KevinM

August 25th, 2010
12:48 pm

anyone watch the Denver/Cleveland replay on NBA TV today? Excellent game with excellent play.
Carmelo / Shaq / LeBron / even Delonte West and JR Smith looked good.

Any of these guys would improve this team….yet we show no interest in any significant modification.

tyger

August 25th, 2010
2:38 pm

My Top 10:

1. Hawks’ 3rd string center is irrelevant.
2. Eric Dampier is not coming either, just like Shaq and Kwame.
3. Hawks too small to compete with elite teams.
4. Hawks did not improve this off-season.
5. PG much easier fix than Center, but Hawks did neither.
6. Sund chose Teague over Eric Maynor, D.Collison, Rodrique Beaubois.
7. Josh Powell is proof Hawks not serious – waste of time and money.
8. Only thing right about this summer is Jordan Crawford.
9. Larry Drew was a good choice, too bad they low-balled him.
10. Dynamic pricing??? What about the dynamic consecutive 2nd rd playoff blow-outs??

Grandad

August 25th, 2010
3:20 pm

Our most tradeable asset is…..
pause for effect,
Jordan Crawford!

Al & Josh are the foundation (going no-where)

Please quit frettin’ about 11-13.

Shaq was Never coming here.
Why are we even talkin’ about Kwame?
[other than giving thanks]
The …^…above…^…article should have
cleared the Dampier mess up for you.
Surely, we won’t trade for him! (please – No)

If we improve our roster it will be by way of trade.

Rev in Tampa, myself, KS, & others
have been saying this for quite a while now.

Now, that brings us back to Jordon Crawford.
[as a trade chip]

paired with say;
Marv or Mo, then our trade package
can become more appealing.

Not that I think Rick Sund ever thinks outside the box!

drmaryb ^•^

August 25th, 2010
3:36 pm

Grand-Daddy

But Jordan is yet to begin a 3 year cap-friendly Rookie Contract.
What will we get in return for 4M spread over 3 years?

His price tag and unknown upside makes him untradeable IMHO.
Financially, to the Hawks makes no sense. He does not hurt our cap, nor doe he help us get say a Carmelo type player in return. What, if he is the next D.Wade?

We don’t know that he isn’t – yet.

Besides, IDK what ASG are doing with this roster, I don’t see any plan or pattern developing here. Just sit on their hands and do nothing?

drmaryb (*_*)

August 25th, 2010
3:41 pm

G-Daddy

I would rather trade a known player than an unknown player (Jordan)
at this point.

ryan

August 25th, 2010
4:20 pm

What the deal can the Hawks get any more boring!

Jon

August 25th, 2010
4:43 pm

Earl Barron? Dude showed he could play for NY last year. If we are looking for some minutes, some size and some rebounding we could do a lot worse.

KevinM

August 25th, 2010
5:28 pm

Didn’t take long to talk up Earl Barron. Another guy who is on the bottom of the pecking order.

I see JC1 leaving b4 JC2….reason: cheaper option.

Based on the link that Rufus provided earlier about the NHL and their lockout, this franchise isn’t destined for any greatness any time soon. The CBA changes to try and make the NBA more profit friendly and take the $$ out of the players’ pockets is going to create damage for the league.

Who created this mess? Guys like the ASG who insist on paying larger numbers than needed and numbers that cripple a team from improving.

PRESTONI

August 25th, 2010
5:34 pm

I just finished watching my Recordings of the Hawks/Orlando
Playoff Series (I really watched Every Game again from the Beginning to the End). Believe me–it is Much Worse the Second Time around, even a POW isn’t subjected to this much Torture. If Rick Sund and the ASG really believe in this so-called CORE GROUP, they are completely delusional. I challenge them to watch Every Game again (like I did) and be able to say that they want to keep this CORE GROUP together. This Team really is OFFENSIVE and the only Motion you will see from the New Motion Offense is more Fans leaving the Core.

cp

August 25th, 2010
5:36 pm

I think some of you guys throw out names just for the sake of doing it

4.7 ppg 3 dimes in 16mpg vs 3.2 ppg 2 dimes in 10 mpg.. Yea Sund really blew it by not taking the first guy. I wont even say who he is…And please note my sarcasm about passing on the first guy.

Grandad

August 25th, 2010
6:11 pm

Mary Ellen

Nothing against Jordon C. – I’m just saying
that he’s an asset. By himself, his value is
lessened due to his contract, but combined with
a larger contract & possibility attaching Mo
as well, then you can start thinking about a
much larger deal. Perhaps involving a Big.

As the blogger above noted in the article
on ‘Dampier’ several players can be moved
in mid Sept. after waiting out 60 days from
previous trades.
Therefore, I look for the Hawks to make a deal
somewhere between mid-Sept & the start of camp.

Once again Jordan C. plays a position where we
have depth & he raised his value during SL!

It also raises the question of trading Jamal.?

Bottom line it takes two to tango.
The trading partner has to want what we got.

ReddJonn68

August 25th, 2010
6:11 pm

Who cares about Kwame ??? We did nothing this offseason to improve this team we will be lucky to earn the 8th spot this year !!!

Grandad

August 25th, 2010
6:24 pm

JC1 / JC2

I’m assuming Jamal & Jordan.

Jason Collins was here 2nd.
I realize he’s Cheeseburger.

Just making a note.

Also a suggestion:
we have J Smoove
why not J Cheeze *[Collins]