Atlanta Hawks: Kwame Brown off the board

Re-u-nited and it feels so . . . strange.

Re-u-nited and it feels so . . . strange.

Another free-agent center off the board for the Hawks as Kwame Brown joined up with Charlotte. Brown’s agent told ESPN.com’s Marc Stein that Brown signed with the Bobcats for the veteran’s minimum

For those who still care to keep track, that narrows down the list of free-agent centers the Hawks are known to have some degree of interest in to Francisco Elson, Brian Skinner and Josh Boone.

Atlanta had some interest in Brown, who is the second center to opt to sign elsewhere for the same money–and it’s not like he’s chasing a ring or something like Shaq. Brown isn’t on strong Shaq’s level, of course, and it never seemed like the Hawks were that high on him. Still, it’s interesting that he decided to reunite with MJ and play for Larry Brown.

Agent Mark Bartelstein addressed the Jordan part:

“There’s been so much written about the fact that this was Michael’s first pick [as an executive] and so much criticism directed at both of them when it didn’t work out. When that happens you can do one of two things. You can run from all that or you can use it as motivation. What better way to try to turn your career around than to go back to where it all started?

“There were a lot of easier places Kwame could have gone, a lot of safer places. I think this says a lot about his competitive instinct and fire that he wanted to take on this challenge.”

– Still nothing to report on Pape Sy’s buyout or Jamal’s extension. Rick Sund is on vacation.

– Jamal got some love in this Seattle Times piece by Mason Kelley, whom I know from my days in South Florida. I can confirm Mason has a nice jumper but could probably use help from Jamal on his crossover.

Terry Mosher of the Kitsap Sun (dope newspaper name) reports the Marvin Williams Center is planned to open in Bremerton, Wash., in 2012.

MC

206 comments Add your comment

vava74

August 23rd, 2010
6:08 pm

Isn’t this yet another indication that Dampier will be released?

Michael Cunningham

August 23rd, 2010
6:17 pm

@ vava: this gives them Mohammed, Diop, Dampier and Brown. so, yeah, it seems they would only need three.

doc

August 23rd, 2010
6:25 pm

yeah but the real question is; if we were to get diop, how would it affect team chemistry?

vava74

August 23rd, 2010
6:26 pm

Thanks for the quick follow up MC.

I’ve been extra quiet on the complaints department, in particular because I was not high on signing any of the free agents mentioned around, starting with Shaq, but I would be very disappointed if we did not make a move for Dampier.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

August 23rd, 2010
6:27 pm

What is Marvin’s Center gonna teach kids. How to walk like a duck and trip themselves up.

vava74

August 23rd, 2010
6:27 pm

…but I know the won’t make that move…

Some Sense

August 23rd, 2010
6:28 pm

The Hawks already HAVE Kwame Brown. His name is Randolph Morris.

The Truth

August 23rd, 2010
6:31 pm

As for acquiring another center (at this point) to excite the fan-base, it might be better to select an unknown talent and speculate about his potential then to pick a well-known underachiever and remove all doubt. They might as well be consistent with the gimmicks since that seem to be the only thing on the menu as in this statement by MC:

“Still nothing to report on Pape Sy’s buyout”

This after it was reported Pape Sy’s situation would be resolved at the end of last week. Instead of going to the press with actions the Hawks might take or might pursue, why not just take the actions and give the press the results. It is clear; Sund’s PR department is running amok.

dstdeelite

August 23rd, 2010
6:44 pm

Kwame off the board? Good!!!

K-Dogg

August 23rd, 2010
6:59 pm

Thank God we did not get this man; Us re-signing Chimpmunk Collins was enough for me this offseason. Anotehr bum does not help us so why waste the rostor spot just sign the best player out their and hope he gives us added help for our bench!!!

Big Ray

August 23rd, 2010
7:04 pm

Sund has no PR department.

Vava ,

Be prepared for disappointment. Join the club…

jim

August 23rd, 2010
7:06 pm

good lord thaks for taking that garbage mj!! you once again prove their is someone worse than the spirit group.

Luke Cage

August 23rd, 2010
7:10 pm

@STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

The Center is to give kids an option instead of getting caught up in the streets. We bash Marvin for his play or lack thereof, but lets give him props for doing this, this is something alot of kids need and I’m happy for them.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

August 23rd, 2010
7:27 pm

@Luke Cage

Yea I know I was just kidding. Duck Power.

Grandad

August 23rd, 2010
8:02 pm

*Not* signing Kwame is the 2nd best move of the off-season.
1st = LD
3rd = re-signing Joe

I can rest a little easier now.

oranjucejonz

August 23rd, 2010
8:14 pm

Francisco Elson would not be a bad pic.He has the size and may bring some low post presence to the hawks.(He’s active around the rim)Hey MC,What are the chances that we try to make a move for J.R Smith since the Nuggets are shopping him????

Section 303

August 23rd, 2010
8:15 pm

Boy…the longer this offseason goes on, the more negative I feel towards the Hawks. I just have a bad feeling that this season will be a debacle. I expected more this offseason. And, I bought into the ASG’s BS about willing to spend over the cap. They clearly aren’t willing to do that.

Could just be that the Magic series left a really bad taste in my mouth. I’ve lost a lot of faith in this team. Hoping I can turn that around when the preseason games start in 1 1/2 months from now.

Grandad

August 23rd, 2010
8:15 pm

Everyone [MC included] keeps an update
on who is left on the board: [Bigs]

I’m not real good @ ‘rithmatic, but;
we have 12 players (already) signed up.
I’m pretty sure LD wants Paps. (me too)
ASG is only gonna pay 13.
Paps = # 13.

If we get a Big it’s goin’ to be a trade.
@ least that’s what I figure.

drmaryb ^•^

August 23rd, 2010
8:17 pm

InTheKnow

Well, Sir, let’s see about that?

“3.Bos- Rondo will control games and PP & RA will continue to hit big shots, could you imagine the celtics pf/c roation if it were the 2002 season?”

- Well, let’s see, w/o Tony Allen (didn’t he jetson? Correct me IF I’m wrong?)
Rasheed was unstoppable on defense (he’s gone out like a champ!)
Perkins will need at least two solid years of re-hab a very severe knee blow-out/PCL & MCL tear – ewee! real bad stuff, very rare injury to a weight bearing and pivotal joint). Add, a few more rings to the old oak tree and I see major slippage from the 3rd Seed. J-Oneal (arthritic knees)& S-Oneal will be alright, but will NEVER out run the Hawks – Never!-

“4.Chi- Chicago leaps the hawks by making offseason acquistions, Boozer and Noah downlow are going to make scoring inside tough and Rose is the fastest man in the NBA”

-Boozer is a very nice player on Offense & Rebounds, but has never put up those numbers against the Hawks. Does NOT patrol the paint nor rim on defense, Not a shot blocker whatsoever. The same team we handled very well last year.
No more Heinrich to defend the perimeter and where is Deng?-
Not convinced they will topple the Hawks with the New Coach who is more intemse than Doug Collins, wears on players and stares holes through people.
They will have their own chemistry issues to battle when you add the owners who punches the HC in their front offices for playing Noah extended minutes w/o permission from the owners booth! Too much micro-management and HC intensity. They will play uptight and never loose! Count on it!-

“6..Mil- B jennings and Bogut will secure the #6 spot again”

-Bogut’s elbow blew up like an IED last season. I read on rotoworld.com last Staurday that the re-hab is NOT going well at all! That elbow is severly inflamed right now, keep in mind the elbow was completely dislocated with shredded ligaments and tendons ripped off the bone. As worse as Grant Hill’s ankle – the good news is that the elbow is not a weight bearing pivotal joint, but an eliptical gliding joint, that will need minimal 2 years IF it heals completely.
He will then need a sports psychologist to re-gain mental strength and confidence. He will be hesitant to contact, rebounding and terrified of dunking ever again. IMHO, I would not pencil him in next season, chances are Bogut will not start the season either. Don’t count them Bucks in yet!-

Listen, the Hawks are healthy, young, long and athletic! IF, they learn to play defense? They will be awfully scary as is! But, they definitely need some size and rebounding in the paint to put it all together!

Meanwhile, Slick-Rick is on vacation? I hope he is somewhere scouting talent for his roster – They Need It !

Oh yeah!

And Bogut got substantial nerve damage in the elbow. The median nerve and radial nerve supply forearm muscle strength and to the hand. Peripheral Nerves unlike the Central Nervous System can regenerate some, but I don’t know about
100%? I doubt it (help me out doc, what do you think?).

Had that been Bogut’s ankle with his size and weight? Probably a career ending injury. In the elbow, he has a chance to play again. Gotta’ do some serious rehab though! Sports Medicine has come a long ways. I sure hope he comes all the way back though!

Sarah

August 23rd, 2010
8:18 pm

I think Josh Boone will be the best out of those three.

Reid Adair

August 23rd, 2010
8:28 pm

Everybody is “off the board.” After giving Joe Johnson a max contract, the Hawks have no more money to spend. Despite what we were told that they weren’t finished in free agency, they were – and they are.

intheKnow

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm

East Standings Predictions
1.Miami- Wade LBJ CB is greatest offseason signings for a single team in NBA history , not to mention Mike Miller, Hashlem
2.Orlando-Dwight owns the paint, and orl is bout the same as last year
3.Bos- Rondo will control games and PP & RA will continue to hit big shots, could you imagine the celtics pf/c roation if it were the 2002 season?
4.Chi- Chicago leaps the hawks by making offseason acquistions, Boozer and Noah downlow are going to make scoring inside tough and Rose is the fastest man in the NBA
5.ATL- I like but dislike signing joe. I like having joe back because we are going to the playoffs again for sure. Maybe last seasons playoffs were a fluke and joe can return to the 08 joe. I dislike signing joe because having a 29 year sign a max 6 year contract who couldnt do anything in the playoffs makes me think the Hawks are content with being a playoff team but not a championship team. I hope joe challenges himself and proves me wrong. Also can the hawks please sign a legitimate 7 footer. No more 6′9 pfs, were good.
6.Mil- B jennings and Bogut will secure the #6 spot again
7.Was-Washington will make the playoffs this year with a renewed agent 0, as well as john wall winning rookie of the year honors over BG32. Andray Blatche is a great player and continues to improve and jhow or al thornton at 3 is a good platoon. I like Javale defensively as well at C.
8.NY- Im putting NY 8th for now as Amare, Anthony Randolph, Danillo Gallinarri will be a very tall athletic 3,4,5. If a trade happens and NY lands Anthony NY could jump the Hawks and get the 5 seed
I hope someone got my joke about Udonis

drmaryb ^•^

August 23rd, 2010
8:31 pm

Swamee Sayz:

No Problem!

Question was: Kwame is off the Board, are Hawks fans mad about that?
(The Youngins’ don’t know about Johnny Carson’s Late Show’s – Swamee!)

I guess it’ll be Dampier then, if Not? Who cares anymore?
My patience has waned!

The only bird watching I’ll be doing this Summer is the Dirty – Birds.

These so called owners re-signed LITTLE of the Thrashers today for 3 yrs & 7.3M? I guess they like that core too. There have been unstoppable Trasher signings this off season, I guess the like the Thrashers fan base better than the Hawks fan base – if you get my rift/drift!

Najeh Davenpoop

August 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm

Kwame being off the board hasn’t been relevant since the 2001 NBA Draft.

Dampier would be a nice pickup; at the very least, he would be no worse than Zaza. Francisco Elson would have been nice five years ago, but I’m not sure what he has left. Besides those two, I don’t really see anyone on the landscape who would offer anything significant to this team.

truthspitter

August 23rd, 2010
8:38 pm

losing interest in the entire organization

KevinM

August 23rd, 2010
8:52 pm

Good stuff everyone….MC, with Sund on vacation, does that mean no comments from the entire organization? I sure would like to hear Gearon provide some of the logic that is being presented:

1) The need to draft JC2 and Sy…neither of which are a current need. Neither should see much playing time for at least next year.
2) The continued emphasis on not exceeding the cap.
3) Are you or are you not interested in bringing an NBA title to Atlanta? Could the decisions being made justify that answer because we know you are going to twist any response to that direct question?
4) Why you are throwing all your eggs in one basket with LD since you made no changes to your 1st 9 roster slots.
5) So you say there’s not a center out there that meets your criteria?
6) Why are you so adamant having only 13 roster players? Are you telling us there is no one out there after #13 that could possibly contribute?

MC’s comments tonight about Bibby being the starter tells us it is going to be more of the same out of the gate.

I don’t see Dampier getting a sniff either. He would have to be denied by everyone before we make an offer, so in essence, we aren’t going to bid with anyone at this point.

I see Randolph Morris heading back our way…….

cp

August 23rd, 2010
9:08 pm

Very Ehhh at this point. Boone would be a nice pick up but seeing how the Hawks operate we wont get him. I’m still baffled as to why the Hawks think Collins will provide anything to this team other than being a good guy. Dude has been unproductive for at least 4 straight years now. It is what it is.

joBjo

August 23rd, 2010
9:10 pm

Hawks gotta get Dampear. that would prove to me they are serious about winning now. gotta give him more than minumum I fear.

drmaryb ^•^

August 23rd, 2010
9:29 pm

Crack Babies Get Nothing!

Well fellas!
Looks like it’s going to be another – White Christmas!

No presents or shiny red bikes under our tree – oh wait!
We ain’t got no tree!

Dang! Sux being us – Moomy & Daddy got laid off for the 12th time this year,
the unemployment checks stopped and will not be extended I heard, the food stamps were traded for crack and the folks blamed it on the a-a-a-alcohol!

We get nothing! I would like to file for emancipation from the folks, they are horrible and abusive parents! They make lots of promises and never keep their word!

They Lie!

Bravesfan79

August 23rd, 2010
9:45 pm

OMG>.. NO KWAME….??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!

I.MUS WRITE

August 23rd, 2010
10:17 pm

Bussiness as usual, were 3 weeks into August and no Additions. Sit back and wait while all the respectable/affordable players sign elsewhere. its just how we do bussiness. Also I would prefer Diop or Dampier over kwame anyway so im glad he’s no longer an option.

Rick Sund is a BOSS….. ” Tell the fans to wait im on vacation, pass me another stack of ones”

oranjucejonz

August 23rd, 2010
10:49 pm

MC,WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT WE WILL MAKE A MOVE FOR J.R SMITH

Big Ump

August 23rd, 2010
10:57 pm

drmaryb.

That”s funny.

Grandad

August 23rd, 2010
11:06 pm

oranjucejonz

I’ll take that one…..”None”.

Grandad

August 23rd, 2010
11:08 pm

oranjucejonz

“MC,WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT WE WILL MAKE A MOVE FOR J.R SMITH”

Why would we?

Grandad

August 23rd, 2010
11:30 pm

Guards:
Joe, Jamal, Jeff, Jordan, & Mike = 5
Forwards:
Marv, Mo, Josh, Josh = 4
centers:
Al, Zaza, J.collins AKA(Cheeseburger) = 3
*Pape Sy ??? = 1
5+4+3+1 = 13

Now that we have that settled.

Rev in Tampa

August 23rd, 2010
11:51 pm

KevinM, I have really enjoyed the questions you have raised the past couple of days. I would love to hear the ownership/management respond to them. Keep the reporter’s hat on; it fits.

Mike10

August 23rd, 2010
11:52 pm

The Hawks are basically the same team as last year I dont see any improvements at all I would’nt be surprised if they were worst without Woody.The truth is you cant win the lottery unless you buy a ticket.

drmaryb ^•^

August 23rd, 2010
11:58 pm

Another White Christmas!

Oh yeah! And no seasoned FA – PG or C under our tree either.
Oh well ….

(*_*)

drmaryb ^•^

August 24th, 2010
12:01 am

Re-Gifted!

Don’t you hate it when the folks re-wrap the same presents you got last year -
And try to tell you it’s New?

You can’t even trick three year olds with that ISH!
They Know!

drmaryb ^•^

August 24th, 2010
12:05 am

TBS Very Funny!

Big Ump

TBS is Very Funny!
This is sad …

Al & Josh said all they want for X-Mas is some help in the paint!
How’s that working?

I would laugh, if I weren’t so waned …
-smile-

Clyde

August 24th, 2010
12:14 am

drmaryb I’ve given up on the Hawks

oranjucejonz

August 24th, 2010
1:11 am

@@@Grandad would you really not trade Bibby and Mo or ZaZa for J.R Smith….Not like we dont have enough of 3’s and Smith is a dynamic athlete and a better scorer than Bibby,Plus he has more experience than Teague.Since the announcement that Denver wants to trade him,He is clearly the best available player out there.It’s obvious that the ASG is not going after a ‘BIG” so why not

oranjucejonz

August 24th, 2010
1:33 am

@@@Grandad,Not sure why Denver wants to trade him,Maybe a riff with the coach or some in-house issues(Like making more cap space to sign Melo or maybe Melo wants him gone) but its clearly not because he lacks skills.He has all the tools you want in a guard,He passes well,penetrates the lane,Has a nice 3 point stroke and mid-range shot and the ability to take people off the dribble.His athletic skillset is well suited for the Hawks style of play.In my opinion,He would be a better pickup than any “BIG” thats still out there

MsDee

August 24th, 2010
1:49 am

Not sure if I would want to use decent trade bait for someone like JR Smith. I hear your point, and its a good one, just not on JR SMITH!!

Najeh Davenpoop

August 24th, 2010
3:56 am

Unless JR Smith can defend Dwight Howard or LeBron James, he’s not going to help this team.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 24th, 2010
4:05 am

Not saying he doesn’t have skills, but it doesn’t make sense to trade for a shooting guard when your strongest position is shooting guard and you already have one instant offense shooting guard with questionable shot selection and subpar defense.

Reggie

August 24th, 2010
4:06 am

I dnt see how the buzz about Kwame Brown even existed…the man has done nothing in his career..nothing! Im also scratching my head on why getting Eric Dampier is so important to so many people. If you are getting axed by ur team because Kwame Brown came to town then chances are you’re not very good…period. Bottom line is Jason Collins actually fits the bill as a big body in the middle who can defend and rebound it just happens that Mike Woodson never really used him and now he will get a chance to play.

MsDee

August 24th, 2010
6:41 am

@Reggie..I totally agree! Jason Collins is a good choice at fitting the bill at center. He has lost weight and also held his on against both Shaq & Howard. The ref’s were just being too sensitive to him.

dukester

August 24th, 2010
7:22 am

Not really a Kwame Brown fan anyway but if you want to know why Atlanta teams can’t get the following they want this is why. ASG just wants to remain relevant in the league and they are fine with that. (Relevant being 4-6 seed full of hope.) As long as Bank of America, UPS, and Home Depot buy those seats they are fine with that. Believe me they know the season ticket base here is small for true hawks fans. Most people that go to hawks games are NBA fans. They might pick 3 or 4 games out of a year that they want to see and thats it. But if the only knew how Atlanta fans are they could have Phillips arena rocking. You can’t make money with your hands in a fist.