Atlanta Hawks: ‘Dynamic pricing’ for tickets in 2010-11

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THE HAWKS HAVE THE WORST STARTING PG IN THE NBA AND SUND THINKS THEY WILL COMPETE

LOL

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I’ll be buying a few hawks tickets, but only on the street or on craigslist for way below face. The prices on ticketmaster are a ripoff—plus, you have to pay all those obscene fees.

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smh, last month CP3 was “supposedly” leaving NOLA. Now “Supposedly” Carmelo wants out. The guy hasn’t even said anything yet. He probably just wants a longer deal with the Nuggets like Joe did with the Hawks. Not signing that extension also forces Nuggets management to keep improving the team. Hopefully it won’t end up like it did for CLE lol. Unless it involves playing for the Hawks.

Lets not forget that ‘Melo is a lazy defender (matador defense) and has a penchant for chucking jumpers early in the shot clock. If we could get him for Marvin/Mo straight up i’d do it. I wouldn’t give up anyone else for him though.

If the Nuggets do trade Anthony, we can then harass them into trading us Chauncey Billups for a slirpie and a pack of skittles. That’d be awesome.

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Hey Cunningham i been hearing about X. Henry are the Hawks pursing him .

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truthsplitter, I like trade #1

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G-dad’s Trade O’ The Day:

Memphis gets;
Marv, Bibby, Mo & Jordon Crawford.
Hawks get,
Zach Randolph & Xavier Henry.

Memphis motivation:
move Henry & gain Jordo in return,
along with young talent Marv,
& Mo’s exp contract. ?
[weak, right, best I could do]

Hawks motivation:
XH…?
Zach Randolph, all-star…?
ZR can lean on DH.
ZR can score.

Works on RealGM trade checker.

Would you do it?
Do we improve?
Sure would make us hard to defense.

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Cunningham your starting to fail. Where is the Jamal Crawford related post

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Grandad – Might would do that

– Would need another PG – but Rafer Alston, Anthony Johnson types are readily available at the vet minimum

- Would we put X Henry at SF, or let him take JoCrawford’s place as basically the 5th Guard?

- Again we could easily sign, Jarvis Hayes, Wilkens, or Carney at SF for probably the vet minimum.

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We could also make a deal for Rudy Fernandez then send him to New York for Wilson Chandler. I seriously doubt if Henry is available.

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SteveW

I don’t know about Memphis;
how they feel about Z.Randolph?
-But-
It sure would make us loaded on offense.
All of a sudden folks would go;
how we gonna guard ‘em?

ZR @ least has the heft to guard DH.

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So if season ticket holders are guaranteed to be the lowest price, how will that help out the average fan? It sounds like a way to bilk us for more money, making the crappy games normal price and the interesting games more expensive. I guess that just means more games at home on my HDTV for me. SMH.

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Sign Me Up!

Like the Jackson 5: I’ll Be There!

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“Dynamic pricing huh?

I wish we had dynamic ownership.”

http://instantrimshot.com/

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I’ve got a trade idea to throw out:

Za Za Pachulia & a second round pick for Carlos Delfino & Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

Milwaukee is loaded on the wings but only have Gooden, Ilyasova & Larry Sanders as guys over 6′8″ behind the oft-injured and still rehabbing Bogut.

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here is what we need to do:

send Zaza and Bibby to LA, they send Odom and second round draft pick to Portland, we get Rudy Fernandez and Joe Przybilla

Then we trade Marvin and Evans for Chandler.

PG- Fernandes/Teague
SG- Johnson/Crawford/Crawford
SF- Smith/ Sye
PF- Horford/Powell
C – Chandler/Przybilla

That is great Defense and great Offense. We win chapionship with this team.

WHAT YA’LL THINK???

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All the trades would make sense. LA could use another PG and a C, plus Phil Jackson would turn Zaza into something productive. Bibby would be saved for the playoffs. Portland would love to have Odom to go with their young core group.

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Yep, Nenad Krstic is a real tough guy. I wonder why he was back pedaling as the big guy was appproaching him….

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Serbia-and-Greece-brawl-in-pre-World-Championshi;_ylt=AmvOP7qt2PD0I8fcoUgTPg68vLYF?urn=nba-263872

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Cunningham: I apologize you put the article up and that’s for correct my grammar, which I don’t care about by the way.

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Grand-Daddy

Z-Bo? Is he a PF/C? We already got one of those. Don’t we need a
6′11″ Center and PG? We need some more size in the paint to bother the Big Boys – don’t we?

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I just read where Chauncey said:
[paraphrase]
If Denver goes into rebuilding mode,
(result of Melo leaving)
he’d want to finish career on a team
with chance to win. Although Denver
is his home town, it would be tough
but still he would most likely move on.
[once again paraphrase]

Having said that;
next to Shane Battier, no one could help
the Hawks (regardless of position) more than
Chauncey Billups. His leadership is impeccable.
All other intangibles are off the charts.
He says he can play four more years.
He is both a winner & a champion.

-Now-

Hawks to Denver:
Marv, Mo, Jordon Crawford.
Denver to Hawks:
Chauncey Billups
Works on RealGM trade checker.

We automatically become *relevant.
*relevant = Championship relevant.

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Grand-Daddy

Are you OK with getting rid of our JORDAN?
Don’t you want to see what we got there first?
He could be the next LeBron or Wade … You never know?

I do like Chauncey tho. Any other way we could make that work?

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Just kiddin… heh

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Oh, include Pape Sy with the UNTOUCHABLE PERIOD!! LOL..it something about Pape Sy that I like and I havent even seen him play a single NBA game YET!! As soon as he join the team for good, I WILL be getting his JERSEY!! Go Pape SY!!

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Now the hawks ownership wants to talk about selling tickets and how the tickets will be priced, well I have one message for them considering their crappy offseason and unwillingness to spend some money buy your own damn tickets!!!

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LMAO @ drmaryb

I’m mad that I know what a U.S. Polo Association shirt is. I’ll do you one better though. Back in the 90s, there was a brand called “Beverly Hills Polo Club”. That was a cheap brand of clothing that you’d find in urban clothing.

But your point is well taken. And that’s the reason why I don’t have a problem with the dynamic pricing concept either. They just have to be careful how much they charge to see the marquee teams.

And for those fans that by them staying home when a big name team comes to town, is going to make the ASG lose some money, they better think again.

Selling out Philips when the big boys come to town isn’t the problem. It’s getting more people in the building when the “little boys” come to town, that’s the real issue.

And if the Hawks can get 16K on a Monday night when the Pacers come through, instead of 12K, then dynamic pricing will be a good thing.

Had the ASG brought in “the box office draw” ( i.e. – starts with an S, and ends with a Q ) here, we wouldn’t need any gimmicks to try to convince fans to buy tickets.

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Mo Evans, on the other hand, DOES have trade value, because as average as he is at least his contract is expiring.

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MC ,

Anything new on the Pape Sy situation?

Sund is on vacation…..heh heh. That’s great. I hope he enjoys himself. As far as I’m concerned, he’s been on vacation since Josh Powell and Jason Collins got signed…

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northcyde ,

This ownership group is about gimmicks, not actual substance. And while fans have to make a decsion about supporting the team when they play at home, that’s what they’re supporting, one way or another. Gimmicks.

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That said, nobody on this team is untouchable. Al Horford is the closest the hawks have to an untouchable player, and that is more because he still gets paid rookie money. There is no Kobe or LeBron or Dwight Howard on this team.

True. We had our shot at big name, bit time players. We muffed it badly. Two years in a row…

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“We had our shot at big name, bit time players.”

Incorrect: we did not have the money nor the pull/draw to get anyone actually relevant.

Might as well just sign minimum wage guys than to overpay either washed up or below average players.

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Najeh

Most of my trades of late have included Jordo.
For the reasons you mentioned.
He’s a legitimate chip.

Big Ray

Sund needed a vacation after spending that week in Vegas
watching B-ball all week.
What would I do on vacation;
go to Vegas & watch B-ball all week,
among other things.

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@Najeh “That said, nobody on this team is untouchable. Al Horford is the closest the hawks have to an untouchable player, and that is more because he still gets paid rookie money. There is no Kobe or LeBron or Dwight Howard on this team.”

Call me ole fashion, but I dont want a COMPLETELY different team for Atlanta. If we traded JJ, JSmoove, Al Horford, Jamal, basically our core guys, then we would have a the LA Hawks, or the Miami HAwks, or Cleveland Hawks..get my driff. I think that is why Charles Barkley and others were upset with LeBron cause he left something that IDENTIFIED HIMSELF WITH CLEVELAND!! You dont get rid of a player who IDENTIFIES with a team, you take it yourself!!

U also say no one is like a Kobe, or LeBron, or D Howard..well why cant they be??? JJ needs to live and die in the gym like MJ did, like Kobe does, like LeBron & Wade does..that’s why they are as good as they are, nothing magical about it!! They live and die basketball!! JJ, Josh Smith, Marvin, and even Bibby only cares about the money and looking flashy. Al Horford is the ONLY player who cares about Basketball and improving on his position. Josh does too, but he REALLY needs to grow-up and work on his B-ball IQ.

So again, I say non of those guys should be on the trading block, they just need to work on their “weaknesses” ALL OFF SEASON LONG!!

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Grandad ,

Yeah, that sounds like my idea of a vacation, too. I guess it’s work for him, though how it could be is beyond me.

I agree that the Jamal Crawford acquisition was a good one. But one wonders if he sought that deal, or if it fell in his lap. One is as likely as the other. I don’t have any complaints, though.

And don’t worry about minding your business. Vava (like most others on a blog) don’t know how to mind HIS either.

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vava . . you talk like Shaq turned dow an MLE offer from us. According to MC, we didn’t offer much more than a vet minimum contract to shaq the entire time. And he was saying that from the beginning.

If we’d legitimately offered Shaq a 2 year deal at the MLE ( 2 yrs – 11.5 mill ), and gave Shaq and his people a 7 – 10 day deadline to respond, I’d bet $500 that Shaq is a Hawk right now.

Even if he wanted 7 – 8 million, he probably “settles” for 5.75 mill to play in ATL, instead of “settling” to play for Boston for 1.3 million. Boston wasn’t his first choice. They had already signed Jermaine O’Neal for the MLE. They had no desire to get Shaq, until Rasheed retired.

The fact are that either the ASG never really wanted Shaq, but acted like they were active in getting him . . . . or they tried to get him at the cheapest price possible, and it blew up in their faces when Boston entered the picture.

If Shaq in 2 yrs wanted 16 million . . . and we offered 11.5 miillion . . . but nobody else offered more than 3 million . . . who in the world do you think he’s signing with?

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There’s no way that Shaq’s ego would have let him come here making 3 times as less money than Zaza. Surely the ASG had to know this.

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shaq will be better and less expensive than sheed was for them last year. now that was a huge mistake and throw away of money. thankfullly we didnt fall for that rap.

amen to the enlightened northcyde. i have to say so little with him around preaching with clarity.

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*humorous…..^…..spelling above is:
funney, hillarieous, comicale, & ammuseing

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joBjo: I’m sorry but your dry humor is a sign of ignorance and disrespect. President Obama and the officials that run our country just removed all combat troops from Iraq and you compare his contributions or put him in the same since or sentence as Sund. Removing those troops saved some lives. Sund doesn’t care about our lives, not even the happiness that would come in our lives with acquiring enough talent to actually win a championship, or he would do more, he and the ASG would go over the luxury tax or whatever it took if they cared about that bit of our happiness. So, don’t come in here with that Republican ignorance. Please keep politics off of this blog. It would be better if we all keep our political views to ourselves for the sake of this BASKETBALL blog. Thank you.

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MsDee, you read way too much into that post. I was only talking about trade value. The reason Kobe/LeBron/Howard and the handful of other players of their caliber are untouchable is because there is nobody in the league for whom their teams would realistically trade them. I’m not saying the Hawks should get rid of any of their core players, just that none of them is an unequivocal superstar who can’t be upgraded. Joe is nice, but you can’t tell me that if the Lakers traded Kobe for him the Hawks wouldn’t be better. Same for Josh as compared to, say, Kevin Durant, or Horford compared to Dwight Howard. On the other hand, there is really no scenario where the Lakers could trade Kobe or the Magic could trade Howard and those teams would get demonstrably better. That’s the difference between a quality player — of which the Hawks have several — and an untouchable player, of which the Hawks have none.

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“Please keep politics off of this blog. It would be better if we all keep our political views to ourselves for the sake of this BASKETBALL blog. Thank you.”

Also religion.

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“U also say no one is like a Kobe, or LeBron, or D Howard..well why cant they be??? JJ needs to live and die in the gym like MJ did, like Kobe does, like LeBron & Wade does..that’s why they are as good as they are, nothing magical about it!! They live and die basketball”

Come on now… at some point, talent wins out over everything. Sure, every Hawks player could stand to work harder on his game, but MJ/Kobe/LeBron etc. are who they are because of talent as much as hard work — talent that no current Hawks player has or will ever have regardless of work ethic. I’m more or less the same height and weight as Allen Iverson, but I could spend the next year of my life in the gym and I still wouldn’t be one tenth the player he was. Joe is more or less the same dimensions as Kobe, and if he works harder he might be able to develop some of Kobe’s moves, but he will never have Kobe’s athleticism and explosiveness. Some things are just inborn talent and have nothing to do with work ethic.

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Najeh,

Phoenix had Nash and Cleveland had Lebron.

And in both occasions Shaq landed there via trade with him earning a load of cash under an existing contract.

Where is the parallel?

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Najeh,

Barnes was a “mini-shaq” during this summer.

He signed for little money because on the other side of the table were the Lakers.

Don’t even think for a minute that he would sign with us for the same money.

As for Pittman, I agree that at least on paper he has more potential than Collins, but again, I doubt that THIS YEAR he will be effective defensively as Collins could still be for 5/7 min per if he got in shape and was used with some consistency.

Just go and review his minutes against Howard in the playoffs: all fouls were whistled the opposite way they should have. He had excellent positioning and anticipation. He simply dd not get the calls.

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Reggie said:

“Please keep politics off of this blog. It would be better if we all keep our political views to ourselves for the sake of this BASKETBALL blog. Thank you.”

Najeh said:

“Also religion.”

drmaryb is saying:

Also sex.

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” effective defensively as Collins could still be for 5/7 min per if he got in shape and was used with some consistency”

You are making the same mistake as Ken Strickland. I also could defend Howard effectively if I grew a foot and put on 100 pounds of solid muscle. Anything could happen; not everything is likely to happen. The chances that a guy who has averaged more fouls than rebounds per minute over the last three years is suddenly going to show up in shape and become a viable defensive force against the game’s premier center is, at the very least, much lower than the chance that Shaq with a mid level deal would have defended Howard effectively.

And if Collins was getting no calls in the playoffs this year, what makes you think he will get calls in the playoffs next year?

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“Barnes was a “mini-shaq” during this summer.

He signed for little money because on the other side of the table were the Lakers.

Don’t even think for a minute that he would sign with us for the same money.”

Uh… no. First of all, Barnes opted out of his deal, which is generally an indication that a guy wants to get paid more. Barnes is getting paid less under his new deal than he did with Orlando. Secondly, he didn’t sign until the 23rd, long after the market had cooled down. If any team had gone up to him with a similar offer on the first day of free agency, they would have had a leg up on everyone else. The Lakers were able to get him at that price because the market for him wasn’t nearly as hot as he thought it would be, so he was forced to settle for less than he wanted. Sure, being able to play for the defending champs helps, but you think he wouldn’t rather be somewhere where he can challenge for a starting spot instead of being assured to be a bench player like he is in LA?

If the Hawks had given him the exact same offer and said he would have a chance to beat out Marvin for a starting spot, I can guarantee you he would have come here. If he goes to a team where he can start and play well, it inflates his value the next time he hits the market.

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Sund on vacation? What has he done this off-season to warrant a vacation? It had appeared to me he has been on vacation all summer long.
As for tickets. I think most fans are fed up with this ownership group and their inability to follow through with their plans of adding FA’s as they have said they would do. I don’t think ticket prices will have any impact on filling seats, They want to fill seats, put a product on the floor.

It goes to show they know before the season starts seats are going to be hard to fill, since we are going to have basically the same team again this year.

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Najeh,

I grant you that the ASG’s ownership situation does not help, however, ATL is not a pro basketball town by default, so there is no quick route to solve the problem.

Almost nothing can be reduced to “black” or “white”.

Even when Wilkins was here and the Hawks were “relevant” their attendance at the Omni was not high.

Same thing with the Lenny Wilkens’ Hawks, same thing with the 53 win Hawks last year.

From a spectacle point of view there was absolutely nothing wrong with last years’ team (substance is a different thing) since we defended home court well and playing with a good degree of showmanship.

I agree – to some extent – that the ownership (this or a new one) has to change the “franchise’s genetic code”, however, it’s not by overpaying Shaq or Barnes that you would accomplish that.

If it was that simple, why do you think there are so many suitors to buy the Pistons and there aren’t any to buy the Hawks?

Don’t you think that from a business point of view there is a clear perception that the Hawks are not a good business opportunity due to several factors beyond having a good GM and an ownership willing to spend top dollar?

And if you think that re-signing JJ was a bad deal, I can assure you that letting him walk would have been far worse (but far cheaper).

JJ is the #3 SG in the league and will continue to be within the top 5 for the next 3 to 5 years and is, in my opinion, well inside the league’s top 20 players.

If we had signed Shaq, it would have been Mo Malone all over again: an over the hill C who was looking for a paycheck, would play disinterested and bring zero to the table.

Don’t fool yourself in thinking that a guy who has not been really “into the game” for ages would be nothing more than a distraction over here: he would come and think he was the “king of the hill” when in fact we would need him to come as an elder statesman willing to have a limited role on court.

Add to it the fact that his game does not suit at all what we should be doing next year (I don’t care if Drew thought that he would be good for us, as MC reported, there is where I think he was completely wrong since Shaq would have gotten him fired in 3 months).

Shaq fits BOS’ geriatric offense but his lack of D will hurt them badly if KG is not able to get his legs back at least to 80% of what he was.

Also, if Thibodeau was such a defensive wiz, without him won’t the Celts suffer? We should not forget that it was their impeccable D against CLE, ORL and LAL that kept them afloat.

If I were a Celts fan, I would be at least slightly worried since opposing teams will pick and roll them to death whenever Shaq is on court.

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It’s already old news but it is always interesting to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ste4A1v5W-o&feature=player_embedded

It’s funny that Euro ballers are usually soft when playing in the NBA but back home when their most basic instincts come alive, it’s a completely different situation…

At least Zaza is the exception since he keeps it pretty aggressive over here as well.

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“If the Hawks had given him the exact same offer and said he would have a chance to beat out Marvin for a starting spot, I can guarantee you he would have come here. If he goes to a team where he can start and play well, it inflates his value the next time he hits the market.”

I disagree Najeh because Sund dealt with him last year after rumors surfaced that we were negotiating with him. That in itself gave Barnes no shot at coming here. Another factor: the basketball wives reality show probably impacted this as well because the ASG is not bringing in controversy to the core. It is so obvious.

Me myself, Barnes is much better than Marvin. He fits the role we need better. We don’t need another jump shooter standing in the corner. Barnes is also a better defender. I feel he has the intangibles to help us, and he is a low cost vet. If there was someone who should be making the MLE, it is Barnes. Such is life because Barnes never had a shot at coming here. Not that he doesn’t improve our team, but the attitude of the ASG to not threaten a core position is just blatant.
And don’t say Teague, because he hasn’t won anything yet.

As for Shaq, there are just too many reasons why it made sense….no need to get into it again. The most simple reason is the fan base. This one singular move of acquiring a big man other than a journeyman vet would have brought some life to the fan base. The Shaq talk would have dominated the blogs and talk shows would have had a reason to address the Hawks. Whether he was the same talent level as an aging Moses Malone remained to be seen, but he held his own stat wise against anyone on our frontline. Sad to let this opportunity go by.
The only thing that may have played against us is Shaq being the actual leader when it came to showing us how to win in the playoffs. It may be too little too late for him but it sure would have been interesting and I know fans would have been more satisfied with Sund and the ASG had they brought him in. As of now, they are not convincing me anymore and numerous people here that there is enough on this roster.

Imbeciles comes to mind when discussing the ASG in more ways than I care to write about.

My main question was: why rush to sign Collins? Who was threatening to take him? Wouldn’t he still be available at this stage? Josh Powell maybe made sense, but whose minutes is he going to get now that we have heard LD is going to move Al to the 4 plenty this year.

Now that Sund is on his vacation, and deservedly so, because he has worked tirelessly to improve this team (eyes rolling in my head).

We left last year with lots of questions to be addressed, and I don’t think we solved a single problem on this team going into next season. The ASG will have to use that creative ticket ’scheme’ going because you won’t see the Hawks as a Georgia lottery game this season.

Looking through some Orlando stats this past year, and it was amazing to see how many FTs that Howard put up? 822! Are you kidding me? Our highest number? Of course, like Orlando, it was by our worse core player percentage wise: Smoove, who put up 422. Smoove let 150+ points and a 20ppg scoring average go by the wayside. BTW, the Magic put up 260+ FTs more than we did last year. A simple stat that could make a dramatic difference.

And for someone who thought Jason Collins would help us this year in the post: 115 min ALL YEAR in 24 games. Even if he doubles both stats, it will still look puny. Shaq played 53 games and 1240 minutes last year! Another stat to shove at the ASG for their incompetent decision making. I guess you could say Collins was less that 1/2 a Shaq last year!

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Grand-Daddy

Here is a trade that never happened for the Pacers.
Maybe you can find us a scenario, where we can get this Big Guy:

“Pacers likely to trade for frontcourt help

Danny Granger (F) – Indiana Pacers

(Sat, Aug 14 – 11:12pm ET)

Pacers management has told Danny Granger to expect another trade before the regular season, and he assumes they will try to acquire a big man.
“If we see a deal we like, we’re going to make it and we’re not going to wait,” said Pacers president Larry Bird, after they traded for Darren Collison last Wednesday. For what it’s worth, Granger seems eager to get some frontcourt help — “I can play (power forward) but I’m not a true (power forward). So we’re definitely going to have to add another big, and I think that will be our main focus.”
Source: Fanhouse.com

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G-Daddy

Sorry, I posted the wrong trade that never happened for that Big:
From rotoworld.com. (How do you feel about Dampier, BTW)

Bobcats tried to get a PG in Wednesday’s deal

Erick Dampier (C) – Charlotte Bobcats

(Thu, Aug 12 – 10:26am ET)

The Bobcats wanted to get involved in Wednesday’s massive trade, according to David Aldridge on NBA.com, using Erick Dampier’s non-guaranteed contract to acquire a point guard.
Aldridge writes that “Under one scenario, Dampier would have gone to Indiana … with T.J. Ford going to Toronto and the Raptors sending guard Jose Calderon to Charlotte.” This is somewhat irrelevant, since it didn’t happen, but clearly the Bobcats want a PG, the Pacers want to dump Ford, and the Raptors are ready to keep overhauling their roster.
Source: NBA.com

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“If it was that simple, why do you think there are so many suitors to buy the Pistons and there aren’t any to buy the Hawks?”

Where are you getting this information from? When did the Hawks actively try to sell the team and find that there were no suitors? Every time Gearon has been asked about a possible sale he has denied it. I can prove that there is at least one guy who wants to own the Hawks — David McDavid, who is in court trying to prove that Time Warner f-cked him over when they sold to the DASG.

I also find it interesting that you bring up the Pistons but fail to mention the Nets, who were dead last in attendance last year and still managed to get sold to a Russian billionaire. It is harder to sell anything in this economic climate, but if the DASG actually wanted to sell there would surely be people stepping up to buy. You’re going to have to provide some sort of proof to back up that statement.

“And if you think that re-signing JJ was a bad deal, I can assure you that letting him walk would have been far worse (but far cheaper).”

I don’t know why you are jumping to this topic, but I have never said the Hawks shouldn’t have kept Joe. I have always said it was the best option out of several less than ideal options.

“If we had signed Shaq, it would have been Mo Malone all over again: an over the hill C who was looking for a paycheck, would play disinterested and bring zero to the table.”

Even if this was true, Shaq would have been signed to a short term, tradeable deal, and there would have surely been suitors for him in the trade market if he hadn’t worked out here. The risk in signing him wouldn’t have been much.

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Najeh

You are correct, the DASG has never indicated the Hawks were for sale.
Gearon did dispel that rumor on a interview on 680 The Fan.
I heard him specifically say the Hawks are NOT for sale, and that they were shopping for an investor to join them and all that Hot – Mess they got going on downtown!

Good LUCK with that Gearon!

How is that working for you?

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David McDavid went bankrupt.
I doubt he wants to buy any team.
Kinda glad he didn’t buy the Hawks.
We’d be the Tex Rangers of hoops.

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mario

You had me until the Caps started. The yelling and screaming makles my eyes hurt. I can’t read that Ish! Sorry, but I would Never trade Josh for the Kmart
Kool-Aide. Besides he is injury proned big-time.

Denver is not sending Melo, Nene and Kmart for what you offered.
We may have a better chance at getting Chauncey!
He is more of a need for the Hawks that Melo IMHO.

Again, kill them Caps, Sir.
-smiles-

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“David McDavid went bankrupt.”

I typed in “David McDavid bankrupt” in Google and the only place where I saw anything about David McDavid going bankrupt was a previous Hawks blog when drmaryb mentioned something to that effect.

If he did go bankrupt, Google doesn’t seem to know much about it.

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On JJ’s signing:

You said that the ASG only managed to sign a mediocre player to a huge contract. Wasn’t it about JJ?

Isn’t it a negative remark?

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Somehow, something tells me that Indiana will get a big man. How they pulled off that Collison deal blows my mind still. They filled a role with Ariza, so it may turn out in their favor.

Bird will find a big man, even if it ends up being Dampier. It could end up being Eddy Curry. There will be plenty of reasons why Sund doesn’t bring in more frontcourt help: “We like what we have”.
Personally, I like neither of those guys.

I am still wishing for DeAndre Jordan before someone else picks gets him away from the Clippers. He played well in limited opportunities late last year. How about this guy? He has had 2 years on the NBDL and has a one year contract with the Jazz…..24 years old.

http://hoopshype.com/players/kyrylo_fesenko.htm

I’ll give you one more…with the arrival of Cousins and Dalembert, what about Jason Thompson (pick #12 in ‘08)? He finished last year very good and be gettable this year. He could the 4th or 5th guy if Whiteside gets the nod over him. His salary numbers: 2.1M, 3M, and 4.1 the next 3 years.

Face it folks; we aren’t getting rid of anyone of significance. We are going to select someone based on him making the vet min and has a 1 or 2 year deal. Thompson is a reach with the numbers alone, but I like his size and he fits under the remaining cap for this season.

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And Najeh . . . while I may have come over to the “dark side”, I still believe everything I said about Atlanta as a sports town, or specifically, as an NBA city. We pretty much have to overpay just about everybody just to come here or stay here.

But ownership doesn’t help itself, with some of the moves, or non-moves, that they’ve made over the years. I don’t think this current ownership group understands the ATL market at all. So tactics such as “dynamic pricing” has to be tried out.

The organization has failed on 2 fronts. They’ve failed to bring in a marketable star player to Atlanta. But even worse, they’ve failed to properly market their OWN star players to the city. At the very least, Joe Johnson’s and Josh Smith’s face should be plastered all over metro Atlanta.

I would love to know what the advertising/marketing budget of the Hawks is. I mean damn . . . an independent rap artist like Rasheeda, with her various Youtube videos, markets herself better than the Hawks.

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Najeh

I stand corrected.
I am the victim of misinformation.
However, not from this blog.
I cannot remember where I read about,
Mr McDavid & any financial, monetary,
or economic related news concerning him
or his “Auto Group”.
Therefore I’ll chalk it up to:
“misremembering”
although it’s dangerous to quote
Roger Clemens as one’s excuse.

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how can the chemistry be any worse than it was for the last 8 games, four against milwaukee and four against the magic. that was the problem, the chemistry that folks talk about, never showed up dod it? there was no balls in that chemistry, none whatsoever. that was also sen by early january in the lackluster efforts and the way they threw games in the fourth quarter. many pinted to it but it was thought of as negative but it was true as rain is wet.

how could shaq have made it worse? tell me that? maybe it would be to maybe point it out loudly to that effect. shaq sometimes made deserved waves in his efforts to stir the drink. mr october did the same in the resurgence of the yankees.

vava you keep bringing it up but specifically what do you think shaq can do or would he do to this team? give some specifics rather than slander. is this team that weak? if we are then we are already done.

grand dad,i dont think you were sworn in to the senate hearings on that one, so i will post it up the the problem i have from time to time…. CRS disease … CANT REMEMBER SH!T. btw a nice pick up by the najeh man as i had accepted the mcdavid rumor of bankruptcy as the business he has been in came crashing down to even the best like the guy in columbus, ga, bill heard, i think it was.

dr mb it was a cool 250 mil settlement from turner. guess even that isnt chump change for turner.

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Vava ,

In response to your reply to my post.

1) I think anybody BUT you who has known me on these blogs for even just the past year knew I was referring to the ‘05 and ‘06 drafts, especially after my follow-up post. You just like to argue with me.

2) I don’t give a crap about the Shaq situation, and he is not what I would have considered a big time player for us at this point in his career. Now you’re just SEARCHING for stuff to argue about. When did I mention Shaq? If you can’t tell that I was talking about the ‘05 and ‘06 drafts in my post, then how do you manage to assume I was talking about big time free agent acquisitions this summer especially when I said we BLEW IT TWO YEARS IN A ROW (hint, hint) .

3) I don’t understand human nature? I’m a cop. I understand it better than any lawyer.

4) I don’t care what you think about my opinion of Bill Simmons. I think he’s funny. I also think he’s a fan who has hit the big time with his writings. I also KNOW he’s a self-proclaimed Boston Celtics fan (a diehard at that), and I think that maybe, just maybe a piece that he writes on Boston might be just a tad slanted.

And pardon me if that offends you. Or don’t. I don’t care.

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@ drmary
I’m starting to think you’re a sister … If not you sure got soul !!!!!!
Oh yeah it’s oozing out !!!!!!!!

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As for Hawks and their Chemistry issues, the ASG has made it clear that all Chemistry issues were as a result of Woody (directly or indirectly).

But that should not have stopped them from giving LD a better bench.

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MC we need some news! What happened to Sy? What bigs are we hunting? What are our players doing to prepare for the season? Who will get Rudy F? What FA can Joe claim he actively recruited and got denied from? How did Teague feel about all the slaps in the face you gave him?

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Oh, and big men we are scouting? Couldn’t tell you….perhaps Randolph Morris might have to come to camp ready to fill that role.

“Teague could go either way…..personally, I like his speed, but I don’t like his “leadership” skills. You already have Mark Price on the payroll.”

Sam’l,I’m sure Mark Price was let go a couple of weeks ago. Teague needs another coach to lean on.

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I will not be going to a basketball game for the foreseeable future seeing as we have no realistic shot at doing anything anyways. Never will until Miami’s bus crashes or something like that. Might as well go ahead and give the Heat the trophy and not waste anyones time next year. Basketball is pathetic.

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Truth, I haven’t heard one way or the other, but being a UK fan, I am going to keep up with Randolph and no one wants him to be successful more than me. I have serious doubts though as it doesn’t appear the work ethic isn’t there. How else can you explain Collins getting the nod before Randolph?

To me, I thought since Randolph was close to Smoove and Dwight, that he could become a very good pro. I have since seen the light and realize his days may be better spent overseas.

But if you are a big man, and can’t make it with the Hawks, who have had a big man need since Dikembe, then I think you aren’t gonna make it period. I mean, can you not motivate yourself to eat, sleep and drink basketball to make sure you have given it your all?

So Truth, yes, I can see Randolph getting an invite to camp. I have yet to hear otherwise and Sund does have that way about him where he will likes what he has versus what he could have and could like.

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“But if you are a big man, and can’t make it with the Hawks, who have had a big man need since Dikembe, then I think you aren’t gonna make it period.”

My rational as well; But I also wish RandMo the best. I just don’t want to see him in a Hawk uniform. It would be a public perception of rewarding mediocrity since he had his chances (the latest being the summer league)

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Nobody Cares
The Lakers and Celtics are not convinced Miami is invisible.

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When I said bait above I meant something to lure a player to our team. Not trade bait.

I hope Randmo doesn’t get a camp invite. He bombed bad enough in summer league.

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doc

CRS:
I gotta remember that one.

uh oh!

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Brown off the market, Dampier sounds like he is going to join the market.

Is Sund off vacation yet?

So does Indy or the Hawks get Dampier for a vet min?

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Rudy Fernendez = No Defense, shaky ball-handler, misses more wide open jumpers than Marvin
Let someone else have him.
Eric Dampier = Ok rebounder, terrible footwork, occasional shot blocker, less drama than shaq, wouldn”t hurt to try to get him, better than Randmo and Collins combined

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Garret Siler (for much less) = Eric Dampier

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Just kidding Big Ray. I got a question for you Big Ray, since you say you are a cop,I was just wondering if you could help me. I got a ticket about a month ago for running a stop sign heading to work. I admit that I did bump and go at the stop sign, but the officer wrote on the ticket that I didn’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign at a totaly different address. Should I go to court and fight the ticket since the officer wrote the incident happening at the wrong address? Oh and I almost forgot…..Go Hawks!

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So ESPN’s Broussard & Hollinger are ranking the teams and today they focused on the bottom 5. They have 4 Eastern team in that group (along with the T’Wolves), Pistons, Raptors, Pacers and Wizards.

Like I keep saying, just because 2-3 teams got better, it doesn’t mean that a few teams won’t be worse. Hawks fans should expect 50+ wins. You may choose to make that a secondary goal (to losing better in the playoffs) but it doesn’t change the notion that a team bringing back the same roster with a more competent coach (according to most) should not reasonably expect to take a step backwards during the 82-game campaign.

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astro if i dont take your bait and say 50+ wins is not to be expected am i then a non-hawk fan? for some reason i see you setting a trap. i also saw a lot of things happen last year like certain teams not fortifying themselves hoping to get in on the FA pool, a new system to learn this year, an aging point guard or a not ready for primetime one and our side having ZERO injuries last year. there are WAAAAY too may other variables and you are playing me the fool to suggest i buy that or you are just plain stupid …. ahem, which i know you are not. i cant argue the other one.

so just change the tune dude already, that one is so old. you are much more creative than that.

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InTheKnow

Well, Sir, let’s see about that?

“3.Bos- Rondo will control games and PP & RA will continue to hit big shots, could you imagine the celtics pf/c roation if it were the 2002 season?”

- Well, let’s see, w/o Tony Allen (didn’t he jetson? Correct me IF I’m wrong?)
Rasheed was unstoppable on defense (he’s gone out like a champ!)
Perkins will need at least two solid years of re-hab a very severe knee blow-out/PCL & MCL tear – ewee! real bad stuff, very rare injury to a weight bearing and pivotal joint). Add, a few more rings to the old oak tree and I see major slippage from the 3rd Seed. J-Oneal (arthritic knees)& S-Oneal will be alright, but will NEVER out run the Hawks – Never!-

“4.Chi- Chicago leaps the hawks by making offseason acquistions, Boozer and Noah downlow are going to make scoring inside tough and Rose is the fastest man in the NBA”

-Boozer is a very nice player on Offense & Rebounds, but has never put up those numbers against the Hawks. Does NOT patrol the paint nor rim on defense, Not a shot blocker whatsoever. The same team we handled very well last year.
No more Heinrich to defend the perimeter and where is Deng?-
Not convinced they will topple the Hawks with the New Coach who is more intemse than Doug Collins, wears on players and stares holes through people.
They will have their own chemistry issues to battle when you add the owners who punches the HC in their front offices for playing Noah extended minutes w/o permission from the owners booth! Too much micro-management and HC intensity. They will play uptight and never loose! Count on it!-

“6..Mil- B jennings and Bogut will secure the #6 spot again”

-Bogut’s elbow blew up like an IED last season. I read on rotoworld.com last Staurday that the re-hab is NOT going well at all! That elbow is severly inflamed right now, keep in mind the elbow was completely dislocated with shredded ligaments and tendons ripped off the bone. As worse as Grant Hill’s ankle – the good news is that the elbow is not a weight bearing pivotal joint, but an eliptical gliding joint, that will need minimal 2 years IF it heals completely.
He will then need a sports psychologist to re-gain mental strength and confidence. He will be hesitant to contact, rebounding and terrified of dunking ever again. IMHO, I would not pencil him in next season, chances are Bogut will not start the season either. Don’t count them Bucks in yet!-

Listen, the Hawks are healthy, young, long and athletic! IF, they learn to play defense? They will be awfully scary as is! But, they definitely need some size and rebounding in the paint to put it all together!

Meanwhile, Slick-Rick is on vacation? I hope he is somewhere scouting talent for his roster – They Need It !

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Dynamic Pricing – no thank you! As stated earlier “Dynamic Management” would be nice.

The already have a flim flam pricing structure. On the day of the game I have gone to the window to purchase a ticket to a Sacramento game. Since the competition was the Kings, I just wanted a cheap seat, in the 300 section somewhere. Upon requesting said ticket I was told those ticket had sold out. Thus, I would have been forced to buy a more expensive seat. I elected to watch the game at Taco Mac and low and behold the there were seats a plenty in the upper areas of the arena. Bad ticketing policy on game day. So I certainly don’t want to pay 3 times the price for the 300 section to see the Lakers or Miami games. So I guess I will be in a sports bar or on the HD screen at home.

Set a price for your seats and sell the tickets as listed until each section sells out, period.

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