Atlanta Hawks: ‘Dynamic pricing’ for tickets in 2010-11
Last season the Hawks charged “marquee” prices at Philips Arena for games against the Celtics, Cavaliers and Lakers. They are expanding that concept in 2010-11 with “dynamic pricing,” a technology developed by Qcue that allows prices for individual game tickets to be adjusted in real time.
QCue says it’s technology “allows event promoters to respond to the real variables that drive fans to attend events, enabling every event to be priced independently and updated when market conditions changes.” So when you check the price for those Hawks tickets at Ticketmaster one day, the price for the same seat could be different the next day–or even later that same day.
The strategy allows for more flexibility than static prices set months in advance. For example, if the Heat comes to town and LeBron and D-Wade are both out with injuries (or sitting out that final home game), then the market for any remaining tickets could be expected to soften. Conversely, if a blockbuster trade at the deadline suddenly makes a middling team “marquee,” then prices could be expected to go up when that team visits.
The Hawks (and Thrashers), Rockets and Jazz have announced they will use the dynamic pricing next season. Tracy White, chief sales officer and senior VP of sales and marketing for Atlanta Spirit, said he’s still not certain how often the team will adjust prices since this is a new concept for sports teams.
“The best comparison is the airline industry,” he said. “They’ve been doing this for years. This is us taking that concept and applying it to sporting events.”
Theoretically, tickets for low-demand games could be had for less than face value but don’t expect to get rock-bottom prices. White said season-ticket holders are guaranteed to pay the lowest prices per game. Feedback from season-ticket holders played a part in the decision to try dynamic pricing.
“Some season-ticket holders choose to sell seats for some games,” White said. “They asked for a system that better reflected the value of each game.”
The Hawks have yet to set a a date for the start of sales for individual games; White said they hope to finalize a date next week.
– After declaring the Hawks painfully thin at point guard, Kelly Dwyer at Ball Don’t Lie gave more love to Atlanta’s shooting guards and small forwards. Jamal rates No. 12 on Dwyer’s list of 2 guards, J.J. is No. 4 and Marvin is No. 21 among small forwards (one slot ahead of Chills).
No real argument on Dwyer’s takes for the Hawks guys, though I think he shortchanges the threat Jamal presents with that crossover.
– Bret LaGree at Hoopinion was among the bloggers to propose deals for Melo to Nuggets blogger Jeremy. Both proposals were good enough to make Jeremy’s “win now” category but it seems some contracts are hard to move even in fake deals.
LaGree offered J.J. but Jeremy passes on the deal “with gusto” because of J.J.’s contract. LaGree also offers to send Smoove and Marvin for Melo but Jeremy turns that one down, too, because “ultimately the four years and over $30 million owed to Williams is a difficult pill to swallow.”
– Have a good weekend, blog people.
MC
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vava74
August 22nd, 2010
8:05 am
Najeh,
I grant you that the ASG’s ownership situation does not help, however, ATL is not a pro basketball town by default, so there is no quick route to solve the problem.
Almost nothing can be reduced to “black” or “white”.
Even when Wilkins was here and the Hawks were “relevant” their attendance at the Omni was not high.
Same thing with the Lenny Wilkens’ Hawks, same thing with the 53 win Hawks last year.
From a spectacle point of view there was absolutely nothing wrong with last years’ team (substance is a different thing) since we defended home court well and playing with a good degree of showmanship.
I agree – to some extent – that the ownership (this or a new one) has to change the “franchise’s genetic code”, however, it’s not by overpaying Shaq or Barnes that you would accomplish that.
If it was that simple, why do you think there are so many suitors to buy the Pistons and there aren’t any to buy the Hawks?
Don’t you think that from a business point of view there is a clear perception that the Hawks are not a good business opportunity due to several factors beyond having a good GM and an ownership willing to spend top dollar?
And if you think that re-signing JJ was a bad deal, I can assure you that letting him walk would have been far worse (but far cheaper).
JJ is the #3 SG in the league and will continue to be within the top 5 for the next 3 to 5 years and is, in my opinion, well inside the league’s top 20 players.
If we had signed Shaq, it would have been Mo Malone all over again: an over the hill C who was looking for a paycheck, would play disinterested and bring zero to the table.
Don’t fool yourself in thinking that a guy who has not been really “into the game” for ages would be nothing more than a distraction over here: he would come and think he was the “king of the hill” when in fact we would need him to come as an elder statesman willing to have a limited role on court.
Add to it the fact that his game does not suit at all what we should be doing next year (I don’t care if Drew thought that he would be good for us, as MC reported, there is where I think he was completely wrong since Shaq would have gotten him fired in 3 months).
Shaq fits BOS’ geriatric offense but his lack of D will hurt them badly if KG is not able to get his legs back at least to 80% of what he was.
Also, if Thibodeau was such a defensive wiz, without him won’t the Celts suffer? We should not forget that it was their impeccable D against CLE, ORL and LAL that kept them afloat.
If I were a Celts fan, I would be at least slightly worried since opposing teams will pick and roll them to death whenever Shaq is on court.
sam'l
August 22nd, 2010
8:37 am
Somewhere a disenchanted center is giving the message to his team……..”Either treat me right or trade me to the Hawks.”
Full moon trade….you heard it here.
vava74
August 22nd, 2010
8:40 am
It’s already old news but it is always interesting to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ste4A1v5W-o&feature=player_embedded
It’s funny that Euro ballers are usually soft when playing in the NBA but back home when their most basic instincts come alive, it’s a completely different situation…
At least Zaza is the exception since he keeps it pretty aggressive over here as well.
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
11:01 am
VaVa74
Sounds like you pretty much summed it up, after that, what else is there to say.
KevinM
August 22nd, 2010
12:11 pm
“If the Hawks had given him the exact same offer and said he would have a chance to beat out Marvin for a starting spot, I can guarantee you he would have come here. If he goes to a team where he can start and play well, it inflates his value the next time he hits the market.”
I disagree Najeh because Sund dealt with him last year after rumors surfaced that we were negotiating with him. That in itself gave Barnes no shot at coming here. Another factor: the basketball wives reality show probably impacted this as well because the ASG is not bringing in controversy to the core. It is so obvious.
Me myself, Barnes is much better than Marvin. He fits the role we need better. We don’t need another jump shooter standing in the corner. Barnes is also a better defender. I feel he has the intangibles to help us, and he is a low cost vet. If there was someone who should be making the MLE, it is Barnes. Such is life because Barnes never had a shot at coming here. Not that he doesn’t improve our team, but the attitude of the ASG to not threaten a core position is just blatant.
And don’t say Teague, because he hasn’t won anything yet.
As for Shaq, there are just too many reasons why it made sense….no need to get into it again. The most simple reason is the fan base. This one singular move of acquiring a big man other than a journeyman vet would have brought some life to the fan base. The Shaq talk would have dominated the blogs and talk shows would have had a reason to address the Hawks. Whether he was the same talent level as an aging Moses Malone remained to be seen, but he held his own stat wise against anyone on our frontline. Sad to let this opportunity go by.
The only thing that may have played against us is Shaq being the actual leader when it came to showing us how to win in the playoffs. It may be too little too late for him but it sure would have been interesting and I know fans would have been more satisfied with Sund and the ASG had they brought him in. As of now, they are not convincing me anymore and numerous people here that there is enough on this roster.
Imbeciles comes to mind when discussing the ASG in more ways than I care to write about.
My main question was: why rush to sign Collins? Who was threatening to take him? Wouldn’t he still be available at this stage? Josh Powell maybe made sense, but whose minutes is he going to get now that we have heard LD is going to move Al to the 4 plenty this year.
Now that Sund is on his vacation, and deservedly so, because he has worked tirelessly to improve this team (eyes rolling in my head).
We left last year with lots of questions to be addressed, and I don’t think we solved a single problem on this team going into next season. The ASG will have to use that creative ticket ’scheme’ going because you won’t see the Hawks as a Georgia lottery game this season.
Looking through some Orlando stats this past year, and it was amazing to see how many FTs that Howard put up? 822! Are you kidding me? Our highest number? Of course, like Orlando, it was by our worse core player percentage wise: Smoove, who put up 422. Smoove let 150+ points and a 20ppg scoring average go by the wayside. BTW, the Magic put up 260+ FTs more than we did last year. A simple stat that could make a dramatic difference.
And for someone who thought Jason Collins would help us this year in the post: 115 min ALL YEAR in 24 games. Even if he doubles both stats, it will still look puny. Shaq played 53 games and 1240 minutes last year! Another stat to shove at the ASG for their incompetent decision making. I guess you could say Collins was less that 1/2 a Shaq last year!
KevinM
August 22nd, 2010
12:16 pm
Just thought I’d share 5 places where AI might end up….sounds like he still has a shot at getting back in the league….
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/fran_blinebury/08/19/allen-iverson-possible-teams/index.html#?ls=iref:nbahpt1
Heat, Nets, Knicks, Cavs (probably the best choice) and the Bobcats. With the exception of the Heat, AI would probably make each team better.
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
2:12 pm
Grand-Daddy
Here is a trade that never happened for the Pacers.
Maybe you can find us a scenario, where we can get this Big Guy:
“Pacers likely to trade for frontcourt help
Danny Granger (F) – Indiana Pacers
(Sat, Aug 14 – 11:12pm ET)
Pacers management has told Danny Granger to expect another trade before the regular season, and he assumes they will try to acquire a big man.
“If we see a deal we like, we’re going to make it and we’re not going to wait,” said Pacers president Larry Bird, after they traded for Darren Collison last Wednesday. For what it’s worth, Granger seems eager to get some frontcourt help — “I can play (power forward) but I’m not a true (power forward). So we’re definitely going to have to add another big, and I think that will be our main focus.”
Source: Fanhouse.com
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
G-Daddy
I saw that on rotoworld.com
Besides, how are you doing these dog days of Summer?
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
2:27 pm
G-Daddy
Sorry, I posted the wrong trade that never happened for that Big:
From rotoworld.com. (How do you feel about Dampier, BTW)
Bobcats tried to get a PG in Wednesday’s deal
Erick Dampier (C) – Charlotte Bobcats
(Thu, Aug 12 – 10:26am ET)
The Bobcats wanted to get involved in Wednesday’s massive trade, according to David Aldridge on NBA.com, using Erick Dampier’s non-guaranteed contract to acquire a point guard.
Aldridge writes that “Under one scenario, Dampier would have gone to Indiana … with T.J. Ford going to Toronto and the Raptors sending guard Jose Calderon to Charlotte.” This is somewhat irrelevant, since it didn’t happen, but clearly the Bobcats want a PG, the Pacers want to dump Ford, and the Raptors are ready to keep overhauling their roster.
Source: NBA.com
Grandad
August 22nd, 2010
2:35 pm
From earlier:
Lets keep politics, religion, history, poetry,
math, science, chess, baseball, football, art,
music, opinions, references, yankees, dissenters,
republicans, bigots, referees, administrators,
quantum physics, statistical analysis, comedy,
stupidity, brilliance, irony (intended or not),
medicine, anatomy, fiction, recipes, Norway, law,
ignorance, [different from stupidity] the Vols,
off this blog and keep it on topic, nothing but
B-ball, unless you’re a cunning linguist.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 22nd, 2010
4:06 pm
“If it was that simple, why do you think there are so many suitors to buy the Pistons and there aren’t any to buy the Hawks?”
Where are you getting this information from? When did the Hawks actively try to sell the team and find that there were no suitors? Every time Gearon has been asked about a possible sale he has denied it. I can prove that there is at least one guy who wants to own the Hawks — David McDavid, who is in court trying to prove that Time Warner f-cked him over when they sold to the DASG.
I also find it interesting that you bring up the Pistons but fail to mention the Nets, who were dead last in attendance last year and still managed to get sold to a Russian billionaire. It is harder to sell anything in this economic climate, but if the DASG actually wanted to sell there would surely be people stepping up to buy. You’re going to have to provide some sort of proof to back up that statement.
“And if you think that re-signing JJ was a bad deal, I can assure you that letting him walk would have been far worse (but far cheaper).”
I don’t know why you are jumping to this topic, but I have never said the Hawks shouldn’t have kept Joe. I have always said it was the best option out of several less than ideal options.
“If we had signed Shaq, it would have been Mo Malone all over again: an over the hill C who was looking for a paycheck, would play disinterested and bring zero to the table.”
Even if this was true, Shaq would have been signed to a short term, tradeable deal, and there would have surely been suitors for him in the trade market if he hadn’t worked out here. The risk in signing him wouldn’t have been much.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 22nd, 2010
4:12 pm
One more note about the Nets — there is precedent to indicate that moving to Brooklyn and spending a lot of money won’t automatically equate to greater attendance. Another NYC-area B-team, the New York Mets, have spent big money and had mixed results over the past decade, and their attendance has wildly fluctuated from year to year; some years they finished near the top, while in other years they finished in the lower half of the league.
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
4:28 pm
Najeh
You are correct, the DASG has never indicated the Hawks were for sale.
Gearon did dispel that rumor on a interview on 680 The Fan.
I heard him specifically say the Hawks are NOT for sale, and that they were shopping for an investor to join them and all that Hot – Mess they got going on downtown!
Good LUCK with that Gearon!
How is that working for you?
sam'l
August 22nd, 2010
4:36 pm
Forget trading for a circus act to energize the “fan base.”
Build a strong, courageous, intelligent, well directed basketball team that wins games, doesn’t self-implode at critical times and the fans will come. Those are the only fans that matter.
The good news is you already have al, josh, joe and jamal. EVANS and WILLIAMS can play if the spirit moves them. Drew is a questionmark, but he SAYS the right things. Simply having a new coach should net 10 victories in itself.
Teague could go either way…..personally, I like his speed, but I don’t like his “leadership” skills. You already have Mark Price on the payroll. Make Teague Price’s personal project……have him watch tapes of Rondo and Parker till he can’t stand it anymore and he begs to get out on the court.
This is a pretty good team…..there were all sorts of great games last year. We beat every team except OKC at least once. But it all fell apart against (well, Milwaukee almost) and then Orlando. This was predictable. The team had no plan, no lead time, no special practice time, walked into the slaughter.
That’s why we have a new coach…….
Grandad
August 22nd, 2010
4:48 pm
David McDavid went bankrupt.
I doubt he wants to buy any team.
Kinda glad he didn’t buy the Hawks.
We’d be the Tex Rangers of hoops.
mario
August 22nd, 2010
4:51 pm
hey i still say marvin, bibby and josh smith to the nuggets for carmelo and either Nene or KMart..it benefits both teams.. the nuggets reamin in the playoffs but maybe not teh no. 2 or 3 seed, they get young athletic guys that may trhive in a west coast system in marvin and josh andeven Bibby, he has already prove the Western conferenc is where he needs to be.The hawks get another proven 20+ scorer. I agree Carmelo is not gonna carry a team, but neither is Joe but put these 2 guys together, they relieve each other of the pressure and we immediately become a better team. 2) we get a mean domnant, at least byt talks, post player in Kmart..I know smoove blocks shots but I woudl give up his defense for another guarnteed 20 points per night and tougher post play from KMART…
tHE HAWKS NEED TO MAKE SOME MOVES..THE FUTURE IS NOW, LEBRON AND DWADE ARE GONNA BE IN THE LEAGUE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, KOBE ANOTHER 5 PROB, DHOWARD ANOTHER 10..SO WAITIN FOR THIS TEAM TO EVENTUALLY GROW, WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN CAUSE THEY WON’T AND I THINK THEY HAVE REACHED THEIR PEAK, DOESNT MAKE SINCE…. RSUND NEEDS TO ADD ANOTHER BIG PIECE TO THE PUZZLE, EVEN IF IT MEANS SUBTRACTING 1 OR 2, for us to compete one and 2 to keep his job..HE FAILED TO GET AVERY WHICH AT LEAST WOULD HAVE GAVE US A VEERAN RESPECTABLE COACH WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE OTHER STARS WONT TO COME HERE…ALSO HE FAILED TO SIGN SHAQ, GIVING HIM 5 OR 6 MILLION IS WOULD HAVE SUFFICES EVEN IF HE ONLY PLAYED IN 40 PERCENT OF THE GAMES THIS YR…
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
5:08 pm
mario
You had me until the Caps started. The yelling and screaming makles my eyes hurt. I can’t read that Ish! Sorry, but I would Never trade Josh for the Kmart
Kool-Aide. Besides he is injury proned big-time.
Denver is not sending Melo, Nene and Kmart for what you offered.
We may have a better chance at getting Chauncey!
He is more of a need for the Hawks that Melo IMHO.
Again, kill them Caps, Sir.
-smiles-
JeJe
August 22nd, 2010
6:34 pm
Great blog!
Najeh Davenpoop
August 22nd, 2010
7:21 pm
“David McDavid went bankrupt.”
I typed in “David McDavid bankrupt” in Google and the only place where I saw anything about David McDavid going bankrupt was a previous Hawks blog when drmaryb mentioned something to that effect.
If he did go bankrupt, Google doesn’t seem to know much about it.
vava74
August 22nd, 2010
7:47 pm
Najeh,
On the Hawks being for sale: I saw it reported somewhere reliable AFTER Gearon dispelled the rumors. Maybe it was on Sekou’s blog.
The reason which was presented to the fact that the rumors were dispelled was that they did not want it to go 100% public since there were no actual suitors and they did not want it to lose even more value.
vava74
August 22nd, 2010
7:48 pm
On JJ’s signing:
You said that the ASG only managed to sign a mediocre player to a huge contract. Wasn’t it about JJ?
Isn’t it a negative remark?
northcyde
August 22nd, 2010
8:07 pm
I don’t know why people keep bringing up Moses Malone in the Shaq discussion. That dude averaged 20 pts and 10 rebs when he became a Hawk. But the reason why the team didn’t advance, was because of the Kevin Willis injury. It wasn’t Moses fault. Moses did his job.
Shaq, at this stage in his career, is not a better overall player than Horford, but he’s a MUCH BETTER player than Zaza. That in itself would give the Hawks a good rotational player to play on the frontline, which would really allow Horford to play PF.
And to me, that’s what it’s about . . upgrading a bench that, outside of Crawford, was absolutely horrible last year. That’s also a reason why people tossed around Barnes’ name.
People talk about Shaq disrupting chemistry. Come on now. This is a team that has gotten destroyed twice in the 2nd round. At least try to upgrade the team, in order to get us past that point.
This ownership group has only fooled a few people, putting on the show that we’ve done all we could do.
Najeh makes a great point. What was the hurry in signing Jason Collins, of all people? He’s one of the most useless players in the NBA. And yes, Dexter Pittman would’ve bee a better player than Collins, because if Dexter couldn’t do anything else, he could at least rebound the basketball. Collins is a worse rebounder than Marvin.
KevinM
August 22nd, 2010
8:50 pm
Somehow, something tells me that Indiana will get a big man. How they pulled off that Collison deal blows my mind still. They filled a role with Ariza, so it may turn out in their favor.
Bird will find a big man, even if it ends up being Dampier. It could end up being Eddy Curry. There will be plenty of reasons why Sund doesn’t bring in more frontcourt help: “We like what we have”.
Personally, I like neither of those guys.
I am still wishing for DeAndre Jordan before someone else picks gets him away from the Clippers. He played well in limited opportunities late last year. How about this guy? He has had 2 years on the NBDL and has a one year contract with the Jazz…..24 years old.
http://hoopshype.com/players/kyrylo_fesenko.htm
I’ll give you one more…with the arrival of Cousins and Dalembert, what about Jason Thompson (pick #12 in ‘08)? He finished last year very good and be gettable this year. He could the 4th or 5th guy if Whiteside gets the nod over him. His salary numbers: 2.1M, 3M, and 4.1 the next 3 years.
Face it folks; we aren’t getting rid of anyone of significance. We are going to select someone based on him making the vet min and has a 1 or 2 year deal. Thompson is a reach with the numbers alone, but I like his size and he fits under the remaining cap for this season.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 22nd, 2010
9:47 pm
“You said that the ASG only managed to sign a mediocre player to a huge contract. Wasn’t it about JJ?”
I was referring to Marvin’s deal that he signed last year, not Joe’s deal this year. That’s why I referred to it being a five-year deal. Joe’s deal is 6 years.
northcyde
August 22nd, 2010
11:02 pm
And Najeh . . . while I may have come over to the “dark side”, I still believe everything I said about Atlanta as a sports town, or specifically, as an NBA city. We pretty much have to overpay just about everybody just to come here or stay here.
But ownership doesn’t help itself, with some of the moves, or non-moves, that they’ve made over the years. I don’t think this current ownership group understands the ATL market at all. So tactics such as “dynamic pricing” has to be tried out.
The organization has failed on 2 fronts. They’ve failed to bring in a marketable star player to Atlanta. But even worse, they’ve failed to properly market their OWN star players to the city. At the very least, Joe Johnson’s and Josh Smith’s face should be plastered all over metro Atlanta.
I would love to know what the advertising/marketing budget of the Hawks is. I mean damn . . . an independent rap artist like Rasheeda, with her various Youtube videos, markets herself better than the Hawks.
drmaryb ^•^
August 22nd, 2010
11:04 pm
Najeh
I heard it on 790 The Zone, 2 Live Stews that David McDavid was rumored to be looking at filing Bankruptcy due to his fleet of car dealerships were going under in Texas. He was hit hard by the Wall Street Financial Crisis in November of 2008 when Obama was campaigning for his USA Presidency.
The Chrysler and GM Corporations were in process of the Federal Bail Outs and McDavid got caught up in all that. Then he won the TBS Lawsuit this year for what? 25M? (Correct me if I’m wrong of the amount), but you know that ruling was immediately appealed by TBS and will be tied up for probably the nexþ 10 years.
But, he may have filed or not, if so – probably as a S – Corporation to spare his personal name and personal assets. I never heard any more confirmation of him having actually filing though. I hope he can someday get another crack at owning a NBA Franchise though, he was definitely screwed on the Hawks purchase though.
But, Najeh thanks for checking that rumor out for us. You’re awesome on this BLOG! Mad respect bruh!
Grandad
August 22nd, 2010
11:41 pm
Najeh
I stand corrected.
I am the victim of misinformation.
However, not from this blog.
I cannot remember where I read about,
Mr McDavid & any financial, monetary,
or economic related news concerning him
or his “Auto Group”.
Therefore I’ll chalk it up to:
“misremembering”
although it’s dangerous to quote
Roger Clemens as one’s excuse.
Grandad
August 22nd, 2010
11:48 pm
Asbury Automotive Group owns 70% of McDavid Auto Group.
Asbury Automotive Group is a corporation based in California.
doc
August 23rd, 2010
12:11 am
how can the chemistry be any worse than it was for the last 8 games, four against milwaukee and four against the magic. that was the problem, the chemistry that folks talk about, never showed up dod it? there was no balls in that chemistry, none whatsoever. that was also sen by early january in the lackluster efforts and the way they threw games in the fourth quarter. many pinted to it but it was thought of as negative but it was true as rain is wet.
how could shaq have made it worse? tell me that? maybe it would be to maybe point it out loudly to that effect. shaq sometimes made deserved waves in his efforts to stir the drink. mr october did the same in the resurgence of the yankees.
vava you keep bringing it up but specifically what do you think shaq can do or would he do to this team? give some specifics rather than slander. is this team that weak? if we are then we are already done.
grand dad,i dont think you were sworn in to the senate hearings on that one, so i will post it up the the problem i have from time to time…. CRS disease … CANT REMEMBER SH!T. btw a nice pick up by the najeh man as i had accepted the mcdavid rumor of bankruptcy as the business he has been in came crashing down to even the best like the guy in columbus, ga, bill heard, i think it was.
dr mb it was a cool 250 mil settlement from turner. guess even that isnt chump change for turner.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 23rd, 2010
12:48 am
“how can the chemistry be any worse than it was for the last 8 games, four against milwaukee and four against the magic. ”
Exactly.
Team chemistry matters when the actual result is better than what you would expect on paper, like with this year’s Braves. It doesn’t matter when the actual result is worse, like with the 2009-10 Hawks. That team needed a personnel upgrade and they didn’t get one.
Big Ray
August 23rd, 2010
1:58 am
Vava ,
In response to your reply to my post.
1) I think anybody BUT you who has known me on these blogs for even just the past year knew I was referring to the ‘05 and ‘06 drafts, especially after my follow-up post. You just like to argue with me.
2) I don’t give a crap about the Shaq situation, and he is not what I would have considered a big time player for us at this point in his career. Now you’re just SEARCHING for stuff to argue about. When did I mention Shaq? If you can’t tell that I was talking about the ‘05 and ‘06 drafts in my post, then how do you manage to assume I was talking about big time free agent acquisitions this summer especially when I said we BLEW IT TWO YEARS IN A ROW (hint, hint) .
3) I don’t understand human nature? I’m a cop. I understand it better than any lawyer.
4) I don’t care what you think about my opinion of Bill Simmons. I think he’s funny. I also think he’s a fan who has hit the big time with his writings. I also KNOW he’s a self-proclaimed Boston Celtics fan (a diehard at that), and I think that maybe, just maybe a piece that he writes on Boston might be just a tad slanted.
And pardon me if that offends you. Or don’t. I don’t care.
Big Ray
August 23rd, 2010
2:02 am
What’s worse? Fans of other teams that hate Atlanta fans, or fans from out of town that are fans of the Atlanta team, that hate Atlanta fans? Oh who cares, Iran just unveiled a new pilot-less bomber, and they REALLY hate us.
One must prioritize things in life….
2 FOR JOHN DREW
August 23rd, 2010
2:06 am
@ drmary
I’m starting to think you’re a sister … If not you sure got soul !!!!!!
Oh yeah it’s oozing out !!!!!!!!
Paddy
August 23rd, 2010
5:02 am
Good players will veto any deal that sends them to play for the cash strapped ASG. Just look at what happened in FA!
O'Brien
August 23rd, 2010
8:05 am
As for Hawks and their Chemistry issues, the ASG has made it clear that all Chemistry issues were as a result of Woody (directly or indirectly).
But that should not have stopped them from giving LD a better bench.
drmaryb ^•^
August 23rd, 2010
9:35 am
doc
250M – wow! That’s a lot of duck-bills! I wonder IF McDavid will ever see a dime of that? Again, that will be a 10 year battle at least. I think he should get the money in trust and transfer rightful ownership of this team to him, or at least give him a 70 percent stake in the current ownership group.
Sometimes, Justice does prevail. This ASKG should have NEVER seen the keys to the arena, IMHO.
2 for John Drew
You sir, are correct!
doc
Yes Sir, there were thousands of failed dealerships on the East Coast.
Bill Heard Chevrolet was definitely in that group! I literally drove by some hundreds of empty lots in Atlanta. It happened so quickly and felt like brush fires. Sad thing is, unemployment and home foreclosures are still on the rise.
Doc, it ain’t over!
That’s why everyday people have very little disposable income to venture down to the sports arenas to see mediocre team play. The Hawks are who we thought they were, a second tier team who plays above it’s pay – grade.
Entertaining yes, but NOT a blockbuster by any stretch of the imagination.
Fundamentals
August 23rd, 2010
10:09 am
MC we need some news! What happened to Sy? What bigs are we hunting? What are our players doing to prepare for the season? Who will get Rudy F? What FA can Joe claim he actively recruited and got denied from? How did Teague feel about all the slaps in the face you gave him?
KevinM
August 23rd, 2010
10:53 am
Fundamentals….I’ll try…
Sy is still needing that buyout and since Sund is on vacation……..
I hard Marvin went back home and is getting accolades for his giving back. Congrats Marvin….now come in ready.
I hear Al is working hard between his trips to basketball w/o borders.
Zaza is a boxer now…
I haven’t heard about any other players’ offseasons.
Rudy F probably ends up in a big market, like NY or NJ.
Was our #2 responsible for getting Collins to resign? Ugh….When you have the chance Joe, please, just say no comment.
I looked back at Teague’s SL stats and he is what we think he is; a slashing ball handler who needs to work on the following:
1) His 3pointer
2) getting to the line during a game. Did you see how many times Bibby went to the FT line last year?
3) His ability to defend Rondo/Nelson/Jennings/Rose/Wade(because he will have the ball alot)/Stuckey/Wall….he needs to finish in the Top 30 in the league for this team to move forward. (Smoove was 11th).
KevinM
August 23rd, 2010
10:57 am
Oh, and big men we are scouting? Couldn’t tell you….perhaps Randolph Morris might have to come to camp ready to fill that role.
“Teague could go either way…..personally, I like his speed, but I don’t like his “leadership” skills. You already have Mark Price on the payroll.”
Sam’l,I’m sure Mark Price was let go a couple of weeks ago. Teague needs another coach to lean on.
The Truth
August 23rd, 2010
12:33 pm
KevinM
Are you suggesting that this is likely the inevitable and we should get comfortable with the idea in advance of the announcement?
“perhaps Randolph Morris might have to come to camp ready to fill that role”
If this happen, it would be the ultimate insult, then why not also bring back Mario? If nothing else, at least we can say that Sund is consistent; consistently idle in his lack of pursuit of quality FAs. If anymore of his carry-over sub pars show up on this year’s roster, then it will be official. Sund would have earned the NBA version of the Dr.Do-little award for the year (and the year hasn’t even started yet). For those that may not be familiar with this award:
It is an award given to a deserving GM who shuns quality FA players in favor of mediocre players, with whom he can only speak in their own languages.
Nobody Cares
August 23rd, 2010
12:59 pm
I will not be going to a basketball game for the foreseeable future seeing as we have no realistic shot at doing anything anyways. Never will until Miami’s bus crashes or something like that. Might as well go ahead and give the Heat the trophy and not waste anyones time next year. Basketball is pathetic.
Nobody Cares
August 23rd, 2010
1:00 pm
Hawks are more pathetic too. Screw the Atlanta Spirit group morons. Have fun losing all your money this year.
KevinM
August 23rd, 2010
1:14 pm
Truth, I haven’t heard one way or the other, but being a UK fan, I am going to keep up with Randolph and no one wants him to be successful more than me. I have serious doubts though as it doesn’t appear the work ethic isn’t there. How else can you explain Collins getting the nod before Randolph?
To me, I thought since Randolph was close to Smoove and Dwight, that he could become a very good pro. I have since seen the light and realize his days may be better spent overseas.
But if you are a big man, and can’t make it with the Hawks, who have had a big man need since Dikembe, then I think you aren’t gonna make it period. I mean, can you not motivate yourself to eat, sleep and drink basketball to make sure you have given it your all?
So Truth, yes, I can see Randolph getting an invite to camp. I have yet to hear otherwise and Sund does have that way about him where he will likes what he has versus what he could have and could like.
KevinM
August 23rd, 2010
1:17 pm
I should have said the work ethic is in question.
Kind of the norm around here to see an athlete decide to work a bit more on the last year of his contract….Marvin comes to mind. Collins, however, goes against that rule as for some unknown reason, he earned a pass this year.
The Truth
August 23rd, 2010
1:44 pm
“But if you are a big man, and can’t make it with the Hawks, who have had a big man need since Dikembe, then I think you aren’t gonna make it period.”
My rational as well; But I also wish RandMo the best. I just don’t want to see him in a Hawk uniform. It would be a public perception of rewarding mediocrity since he had his chances (the latest being the summer league)
GeeMack
August 23rd, 2010
2:13 pm
Nobody Cares
The Lakers and Celtics are convinced Miami is invisible.
GeeMack
August 23rd, 2010
2:13 pm
Nobody Cares
The Lakers and Celtics are not convinced Miami is invisible.
Fundamentals
August 23rd, 2010
2:23 pm
I begged for Randmo to get his shot last year after training camp, if not after the All Star break to get him ready. Woodson buried the kid. Summer League proved he either doesn’t have it or he doesn’t want it, but either way he might need to look overseas. I too had high hopes he could pal up with Josh, be a great backup and help this team.
All we need Teague for is to run the offense and occassionally drive the bucket. Folks are demanding he be the next Magic. We have plenty of folks wearing C to lead the team. Teague just needs to follow orders and get the play moving. He’s absolutely capable of that. ALl this talk of 3 point shooting, averaging certain points, ect is bogus. Just fill the role of starting the offense and pushing the ball. His defense will come after actually getting solid time on the floor. He’s athletic enough to keep up, jut give him consistent minutes.
Heat haven’t won a game yet. I predict they won’t get along and the holes in their roster might come back to haunt them. They’ll win, but I don’t see them easily winning the East or a championship. That’s why we play the games people! I honestly thought Joe, Smoove and Horford would’ve been good bait for a marquee player. At least in terms of rising talent?
Fundamentals
August 23rd, 2010
2:26 pm
When I said bait above I meant something to lure a player to our team. Not trade bait.
I hope Randmo doesn’t get a camp invite. He bombed bad enough in summer league.
Grandad
August 23rd, 2010
3:00 pm
From where I sit,
I don’t see Miami either.