Atlanta Hawks: No go on Earl Boykins

When I saw Christopher Reina’s report at RealGM about the Hawks “reaching out” to Earl Boykins, it didn’t make sense on a few levels.

For one, from everything I’ve heard the Hawks aren’t really interested in adding another guard. Also, Boykins doesn’t really seem to fit into L.D.’s “interchangeable parts” philosophy. And why would the Hawks add a veteran point guard when they are trying to bring along Teague?

But I figured maybe the Hawks wanted to bring Boykins to camp as some kind of insurance, so I checked it out. I was told there’s nothing to it, that it’s a “crazy rumor” and that the Hawks are still focused on adding a big man. So it looks like Boykins won’t even get a camp invite from the Hawks.

– There should be a resolution to the Pape Sy situation this week. He’s looking for a buyout from Le Havre of the top French league.

“I like his size,” L.D. said. “He’s really strong on the drive. I don’t know if he’s been watching NBA players already but he’s already doing things that NBA players do. We will try to get him in here for camp.”

– ESPN.com’s Ric Bucher reports that Carmelo Anthony and the Nuggets are likely to part ways. The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year, $65 million extension, and Bucher said Anthony is contemplating signing the extension and then asking for a trade or not signing the extension and forcing the Nuggets to trade him by the February deadline.

The interesting thing about Anthony is how despite his elite scoring ability he doesn’t rate highly in some advanced statistics. David Berri is the latest stats guy to break it down, concluding that Anthony produces only 1.44 wins above an average small forward largely because he’s “not a particularly efficient scorer” and that “other than an ability to get to the free throw line, Melo is not outstanding with respect to any other aspect of the game.”

(In case you are wondering, Anthony produced .145 win shares per 48 minutes in 2009-10 compared to .112 for Marvin.)

Marc Stein on ESPN just said: “New York is where [Melo] wants to end up.” But do my blog people think Melo would be worth the money plus the assets it would take for the Hawks to acquire him?

MC

196 comments Add your comment

KEL

August 17th, 2010
12:33 pm

why not melo>>>duck

PUBLIX

August 17th, 2010
12:35 pm

PUBLIX

August 17th, 2010
12:35 pm

PUBLIX

August 17th, 2010
12:35 pm

we need a big man and quick

KEL

August 17th, 2010
12:37 pm

but yea earl shouldve been a no go, i like his fiestiness but the guy is a dwaft on the floor and is hurt ALOT. i wish we could get melo here, id give up marv and al and bib, with al being the attractive piece of that deal, only thing Den is packed with bigs. But a line up of Jt, JJ, Melo, Jsmoove and (WHOEVER) would be beastly

Jesse

August 17th, 2010
12:38 pm

I tried out a Marvin trade on ESPN’s trade machine: Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, Zaza Pachulia, and Jordan Crawford for Carmello and Brian Butch works under the salary cap. According to Hollinger’s statistical analysis, it would add an estimated 6 wins to the Hawks record, so I’d probably be in favor of it if the Nuggets would accept.

Macaroni Tony

August 17th, 2010
12:39 pm

I like the fact that the Hawks will stick to getting a big man and we will add Pape Sy. I like Elston (spell check) or Josh Boone.

hmmmm........

August 17th, 2010
12:39 pm

Any possible names of a big man?

Macaroni Tony

August 17th, 2010
12:40 pm

I would not give up that much for CA, if we can get him cook but don’t give too much

Kenbud

August 17th, 2010
12:42 pm

oh, please .. Melo to the Knicks. That’s it. Only team he wants to play for.

Glad to see the Hawks going after Pape Say. I thought he played quite well in the summer league.

swatguy

August 17th, 2010
12:42 pm

Why put stats in front of the truth? Carmelo is a player. He is an elite scorer and a big body which bodes well in the playoffs.
So ‘Ham, what will it take to get him? Is Marvin, Mo and a #1 enough? If they want Josh, I want ‘Nene and keep the #1 pick.

On second thought I dont want to move Josh, he’s trill.

Hawk n the Ham

August 17th, 2010
12:43 pm

MC …..

If the Hawks did a sign and trade with the Nuggets, can you do that on just extension contracts?

And who would be our trade chips? I know everyone is going to say “Marvin & Bibby”, but that’s just not going to work for Denver. What do you think?

I Heart Atlanta

August 17th, 2010
12:45 pm

Can u give us some names of big men were intrested in MC???

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
12:48 pm

@swatguy: “Why put stats in front of the truth? Carmelo is a player. He is an elite scorer and a big body which bodes well in the playoffs.
So ‘Ham, what will it take to get him? Is Marvin, Mo and a #1 enough? If they want Josh, I want ‘Nene and keep the #1 pick.”

he is both of those things. i just think it’s interesting that he doesn’t rate highly in some fancy stats, that’s all.

as for what it would take, heck if i know. it’s not even certain Melo has even told the Nuggets he wants a trade.

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
12:50 pm

@ Hawk n the Ham: “If the Hawks did a sign and trade with the Nuggets, can you do that on just extension contracts? And who would be our trade chips? I know everyone is going to say “Marvin & Bibby”, but that’s just not going to work for Denver. What do you think?”

i updated the blog. on an extension it wouldn’t even have to be a sign-and-trade since Melo is not a free agent. the Nuggets could just sign him to the extension and then trade him. or trade him and the new team signs the extension.

i don’t know whom the Hawks could trade. i don’t know that they want to make the trade. i don’t even know if Melo has told the Nuggets he wants to be traded–Bucher’s report suggested that he hasn’t yet. so this is all early and very speculative. but, well, it’s August.

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
12:52 pm

@ I Heart Atlanta: “Can u give us some names of big men were intrested in MC???”

same vet guys i’ve mentioned before are still out there as far as i know: Francisco Elson, Brian Skinner and Josh Boone. they also could bring a young prospect to camp.

Big Daddy

August 17th, 2010
12:54 pm

Melo is not the answer. We do not need one more person in here who needs to handle the ball a high percentage of the time. We already have JJ and JC who handle the ball more than the point. It will foul the chemistry even more. I am hopeful they will find a big man that can block and rebound and has the kind of body and motor to want to do both.

O'Brien

August 17th, 2010
12:57 pm

I would not trade for Melo. Not only would we give up a lot of assets, but it is very probable that he would not resign with us. And then we would be forced to try and work out a sign and trade.

And if he did want to sign with us, I have my doubts about the ASG wanting to pay 2 max contracts.

I wonder if the Hawks have looked into trading Mo Evans (and his expiring $2.5 mil salary) for a big man. And then they could sign Rodney Carney or Damien Wilkins for the vet min to be Marvin’s backup.

Hawk n the Ham

August 17th, 2010
12:58 pm

Big Daddy, that’s like saying the Heat are going to be terrible because they have 3 guys who control the ball a lot.

JMar

August 17th, 2010
12:59 pm

In case you are wondering, Anthony produced .125 win shares per 48 minutes in 2009-10 compared to .094 for Joe Johnson.

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
1:00 pm

@ Big Daddy: “Melo is not the answer. We do not need one more person in here who needs to handle the ball a high percentage of the time. We already have JJ and JC who handle the ball more than the point. It will foul the chemistry even more.”

good point. Melo does have a very high usage rate.

Paddy

August 17th, 2010
1:00 pm

The ASG did a great job of selling the Hawks to all those free agents that signed elsewhere. They can run that scam all they want but they can’t hide that scam to the knowledgeble Atl sports fan.

JeJe

August 17th, 2010
1:01 pm

“But do my blog people think Melo would be worth the money plus the assets it would take for the Hawks to acquire him?”

LOL @ ASG ever making a big trade like that

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
1:02 pm

@ O’Brien: “I wonder if the Hawks have looked into trading Mo Evans (and his expiring $2.5 mil salary) for a big man. And then they could sign Rodney Carney or Damien Wilkins for the vet min to be Marvin’s backup.”

a trade for a center is a possibility. moving Mo makes sense if they don’t want to break up the proverbial “core.” and if they did that then they’d finally be forced to bring in a wing.

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
1:04 pm

@JMar: “In case you are wondering, Anthony produced .125 win shares per 48 minutes in 2009-10 compared to .094 for Joe Johnson.”

i get the feeling you don’t think J.J. is worth max money, either.

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
1:05 pm

@ JeJe: “LOL @ ASG ever making a big trade like that”

the bigger question is, if they did somehow make a trade like that, would it make you happy?

Fundamentals

August 17th, 2010
1:05 pm

I don’t see Melo coming here. Boykins is too small, just a hinder to Teague.

I still like Ajinca. Young, athletic, 7′+ and he’s got some range which would allow Horford and Smith the block on offense.

ryan

August 17th, 2010
1:08 pm

The ASG needs to make a trade for Mello after this awful summer and disfranchised fans missing out on the biggest FA class in history this is last chance for this ownership.

Fundamentals

August 17th, 2010
1:12 pm

Mo needs an honest home where he can play SG for someone who needs him. There’s just too much confusion here at that position. Unless you start playing Joe or JC1 at the point which makes Bibby expendable.

We need a big and possibly a SF. If Pape Sy is coming over is he strong enough now to hold the SF position defensively? Is he coming over to develop as a PG, SG or SF?

Signing Ajinca and Sy together could be good for their chemistry. Is that what Dallas wants with their two French Centers?

Rev in Tampa

August 17th, 2010
1:40 pm

It seems to me that there is some unlikely speculation about Carmelo. Interesting, but it likely ends there.

But the good news is that the Hawks are eager to bring in Pape and they are very interested in finding a big man. After a period of uncertainty it is good to see the Hawks have moves they want to make. I am very happy that the Hawks seem to be aiming higher than the current free agent bigs. Otherwise they would have already signed one of them. The Hawks will not let the $3 milliion trade exemption go to waste.

dukester

August 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

1. Forget about Melo will not be traded to the Hawks. Wont happen.
2.We need a center. A impact center not just a dude who is 6′11″
3.The most important part of all of this. I think ASG feel they are complete maybe a little move for a bench player here or there this squad is the 2010-11 Hawks. So we might as well start talking about where will we fall next season 4-7 in the division. :(

Grandad

August 17th, 2010
1:41 pm

Fundamentals

Dallas is on record:

“Alexis Ajinca, the Mavs’ fourth center who they hope to trade before the start of the season”

“As soon as he arrived in Dallas in last month’s trade, he was put on the trading block. With no takers yet, Ajinca could head into training camp on the roster. Entering his third NBA season, he is ineligible to be assigned to the Mavs’ D-League team, so the Mavs could be stuck with a fourth center.”

He cannot be packaged with another player
until mid-September.

Section 303

August 17th, 2010
1:43 pm

I think Anthony is a good player. I have, however, never understood why he was just instantly considered one of the best players in the league. He’s just pretty good. Which is fine.

I would take a pass, if I were Rick Sund. Even though Anthony is an upgrade over Marvin, the money would be better spent some place else. Marvin is at least servicable. Get another big and another 2/3 combo player who is fast and athletic. Don’t really have a huge need for Anthony in Atlanta.

Michael Cunningham

August 17th, 2010
1:45 pm

@ Rev in Tampa: “The Hawks will not let the $3 milliion trade exemption go to waste.”

the thing to remember about the trade exception is it wouldn’t exempt them from the luxury tax. so while they could take back $3 million more in salary than they send out, they only have about $2.7 million under the tax. so to avoid the tax they’d have to take back about the same salary as Mo’s $2.5 million.

Buddy Grizzard

August 17th, 2010
1:47 pm

Hawks are not a consideration for Carmello, but in fantasy land, I would trade Joe Johnson, two future 1st round picks and $3m cash in a heartbeat.

The Real JC

August 17th, 2010
1:50 pm

@everyone convinced Melo is only going to the Knicks – a lot hangs on what happens with this year’s Miami team. This whole CP3, Melo and Ama’re team idea came from the Miami team up, and I think Melo will base his NY decision on how they perform and how happy each player seems within their new roles.

Also, I have some hope held out for Melo not to join the LeDark Side because he knows what it’s like to be the man and win titles like he did at Syracuse.

terrell

August 17th, 2010
1:54 pm

How bout Josh, Marvin, and Zaza for Melo and Nene?

Bibby/JJ/Melo/Horford/Nene
Teague/Jamal/Mo/Powell/Collins
Jo Craw/Pape Sy/Etan Thomas(FA)

Buddy Grizzard

August 17th, 2010
1:55 pm

“the bigger question is, if they did somehow make a trade like that, would it make you happy?”

Hell yeah it would make me happy… get rid of a player past his prime and bring in a true star in his prime?

terrell

August 17th, 2010
1:56 pm

Not saying I’d make that trade. Just a thought??

terrell

August 17th, 2010
1:58 pm

We’d have to throw in Josh to even get Denver to stay on the phone.

Melvin

August 17th, 2010
2:13 pm

MC,
“so while they could take back $3 million more in salary than they send out, they only have about $2.7 million under the tax. so to avoid the tax they’d have to take back about the same salary as Mo’s $2.5 million.”

Keep in mind, if the Hawks trade Mo then they would have his 2.5 salary + (2.7) cap space available they could received back before paying luxury tax monies…

I Heart Atlanta

August 17th, 2010
2:18 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Anybody (Hawks Fans)against this trade would be crazy!!!!!!

Gwinnett Fred

August 17th, 2010
2:19 pm

Trade JJ for Melo and actually save a ton of money!

ryan

August 17th, 2010
2:21 pm

What do the Knicks have except for Amare and he is damaged goods at least the Hawks could be a more attractive for Mello with Joe, Josh Smith, and Al Horford for the Nuggets we could put a better trade package than the Knicks .

nique

August 17th, 2010
2:31 pm

no way the ASG is getting melo. that’s crazy talk. these are the same guys that hired larry drew as their coach.

as for the big men, i noticed that MC said these are the guys that are out there not these are the guys that the hawks have expressed an interest in. MC are you saying that the hawks are interested in those big men?

GeeMack

August 17th, 2010
2:32 pm

MC

If we could Melo and the 3 year extension without trading Josh or JJ. I will do it all day. A trio of JJ, Josh, & Melo gives the Hawks the bases for winning a championship in the NBA.

I would be willing to part ways with Crawford and Horford to make that deal happen.

Native Atlantan

August 17th, 2010
2:39 pm

Melo is in the NBA Elite 3 along with Kobe & Lebron. I’d put him right after those 2 and right before Durant. I’D DO WHATEVER IT TOOK TO GET HIM HERE!

For starters, he’d pick up the Hawks tickets sales.

I personally would like to part with JJ to get him here but I’m guessing JJ is the only reason he’d consider coming here so a more logical proposal would be Marvin, Josh, & a #1.

ryan

August 17th, 2010
2:40 pm

So what Nique the Heat have the big three and the head coach is not Pat Riley its some unknown coach .

Wink

August 17th, 2010
2:58 pm

@ terrell

I totally agree with that trade.

I mentioned that trade in the early part of the summer, but I also wanted us to sign Shaq. At that time he was available.

Teague/JJ/Melo/Horford/Nene

Bibby/Jamal/Mo/Shaq/Morris

Jo Craw/Pape Sy/Collins

PHUCKER_JENKINS

August 17th, 2010
3:01 pm

Sure he’d be worth it if we could give up Joe Johnson and his contract for him! It’d be a steal! The harsh reality is the Nuggets aren’t stupid enough to take that contract off the hawks hands!!!!