Atlanta Hawks: Drew says Teague ‘has got to earn’ Bibby’s spot

Teague will have to go all out for starting gig.

Teague will have to go all out for gig.

You might have noticed Bob Bender stood in for Bibby during Camp Drew and figured that means Bibby, not Teague, heads into 2010-11 as the starting point guard.

And you’d be right.

When Hawks camp opens on Sept. 28, Bibby will be the incumbent at point guard. Rook’ is going to have to take the job from him.

“He’s got to earn that,” L.D. said. “It’s not just going to be handed to him. If he proves it, he has an opportunity. I will come back with the starting lineup we’ve had in the past. Unless somebody clearly, clearly beats somebody out, [then] that’s something I would have to take a look at. But I am going with the normal guys [to start].”

That’s not surprising since Hawks coaches spent much of Summer League saying they’d like to see Teague be more assertive. Plus, Teague has yet to do anything to show that he deserves the job. There’s a chicken/egg element to it–did he never really get the chance to prove he’s ready to be lead dog, or did he never really get the chance to be lead dog because he’s just not ready? Now he gets a real shot to show he deserves the gig, and it probably wouldn’t be good for L.D. or the team to bench a popular vet like Bibby until that happens (if it does).

Also remember Bibby still has value as a good spot-up shooter with a low turnover percentage. That’s two areas where Teague needs work. On the flip side Teague is a better defender, can push the pace and should be able to set up baskets as he learns to play under control (he actually posted a higher assist percentage than Bibby).

It’s probably best not to get too caught up in which guy starts, anyway. Bibby played a career-low in minutes last season and didn’t always finish games. Those trends should continue. L.D. is going to give Teague an opportunity to run with the starters and he’s said he will be patient. The rest is up to Teague.

Steve Rosenberry officially joined the Blazers as an assistant GM to Rich Cho. It’s a promotion for Rosenberry, who was director of pro personnel/college scouting for the Hawks.

Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft is a candidate for GM jobs in Denver and Phoenix.

– For those who have asked, Josh Powell has picked jersey No. 12.

MC

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O'Brien

August 16th, 2010
11:05 am

Daniel,

Gearon went on and on in print and on the radio about how “disappointed” he was with Woodson that Teague didn’t get more playing time and intimated that hiring Drew was partly due to his ability to get more out of the rookie .

I disagree. Gearon said he believes Teague, Collins and Joe Smith were under utilized by Woody. He said nothing about coach Drew, because at that time, Drew was not hired yet.

Sund said he let Woody go because the team needed a new voice. After Drew was hired, they probably said they believe Drew will get more out of the team, including the bench.

But that is standard management and ownership talk after hiring a new coach. They think the new coach will get more out of the existing players (not just the rookie), because they need Drew to get more out of Josh, Marvin, Al, ZaZa, Collins, Bibby, JJ, Jamal, Teague, Josh Powell, Mo and Jordan. Not just Teague.

Rufus1

August 16th, 2010
11:21 am

Teague’s Defense

His defensive effectiveness isn’t just about his defense, but also his offensive threat. He has the ability penetrate forces his defender to work harder early in the game to stay infront of him….causing his defender to be more tired and less effective late in the game.(Tired Legs). During the Boston and Orlando series Jameer Nelson’s jumper was less effective late in the game, because he had to work so hard to keep Rondo out of the paint….Bibby does not offer that threat.

If Bibby is allowed to run-off a ton of screens in this offense like Ray Allen because he is just a shooter, he will be more effective and maybe worth the 6mil….I think that is why LD like Bibby.

Daniel

August 16th, 2010
11:38 am

Sautee- Good to hear from you.
Yes, I am emotional about this stuff, because I am still frustrated by the team’s horrible post season loss.
Drew needs to address these issues in public because his hiring (and Woodson’s firing) is being used by the Hawks orginization as their marketing push to defend basically doing nothing else.

When an orginization hires their own assistant (on the cheap) after firing the head coach for all the listed failures, then yes, the new guy does need to explain his role more than just “Woody wouldn’t listen to me.” Who is to say that Woodson didn’t “do the right thing” and not through his friend and assistant under the bus by taking all the blame on the way out the door?

The motion offense is a smoke screen, because (for just one example) right after the Shaq signing (which behind the scenes Drew was begging the Hawks to pursue) instead of answering those questions directly we got redirected to how we didn’t need Shaq, too slow for our new “offense”, too expensive, blah, blah, blah…

So the ASG, is using Drew as their Wizard of OZ, …. don’t look at what’s going on behind the curtain. Hey, look at this shiny “new” offense, etc… blah, blah.

Now is LD being used? probably. Is he complicit? probably. Are the Hawks doing enough to get better? Definitely not. Is anyone in the orginization addressing those issues? No.

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
11:39 am

The real problem here is that the hawks have Horrible player development personnel. Evident by the fact that almost every draft pick we have had (outside of Al and Josh Smith) has never seemed to perform anywhere near their potential even when compared to moderate expectation. Acie Law never had a chance with Mike Woodson the same way Jeff Teague never had a chance as well. Mike Woodson was afraid for his job (as he should have been) and figured it was safer to go with an aging and immobile Bibby than an obviously talented younger player who is bound to make mistakes. Larry Drew is nothing more than a Woodson product who is gonna ruin another talented point guard the way Woodson ruined Law and attempted to ruin Teague!

Daniel

August 16th, 2010
11:41 am

Yeah O’Brien… I don’t see how what you said is any different from what I said. One of the reasons that Larry Drew was hired was to get more from his players, most specifically Teague.

northcyde

August 16th, 2010
11:53 am

So Ken . . . you’re telling me that if we had re-signed Woody to a 3-year deal, that you would be cool with that? That you would just be like . . . “OK . . the decision is done. Woody is our coach for 3 more years. Let’s rally around him.”

I seriously doubt that you, and many others around here, would be happy campers. Had the ASG brought the entire team back, plus Woody, all hell would’ve been breaking loose around here.

northcyde

August 16th, 2010
12:04 pm

To say Acie never had a chance here is simply a flat out lie that people want to believe. Acie started 5 games in his rookie year . . . played more than 10 minutes a game in 39 games . . . and played more than 20 minutes in a game in 19 games. Problem is, because of injuries, he only played in 59 games in his rookie year.

Acie was the STARTING PG for the Hawks in the 3rd game of the 2007 season.

Acie was given every chance in the world to succeed in Atlanta. He just couldn’t consistently make an impact in a game, nor could he stay healthy.

LOL @ the talk of ruining PGs. How about just admitting that some of these PGs simply weren’t NBA ready to begin with? If Teague doesn’t play as much as people think he should next year, it’s not going to be Drew’s fault. If he can’t beat out Mike Bibby for playing time, it’s going to be Teague’s fault, and nobody elses.

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
12:07 pm

Give Jeff Teague the Keys to the team, let him work out the kinks and bad decisions early while we have time to recover. If he makes it clear that he cant handle the job by being LESS effective than Bibby then bench him and we cand declare him ANOTHER BOTCHED 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK. But if he does pick it up and show the potential most people see then he can use the experience gained early in season as a foundation for better play during our first round playoff loss to whoever is in top four of the East.

northcyde

August 16th, 2010
12:12 pm

And I was a HUGE Acie Law fan. But when you look back on it, that entire PG crop that year was overrated.

Mike Conley is a decent PG, but nothing great.

Acie sucked, mainly because he can’t stay healthy or make a lay-up in traffic.

And while Stuckey could be considered the best PG out of the group, he’s a very low percentage shooter who can’t make jumpers.

None of those guys are better PGs than Darren Collison or Ty Lawson.

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
12:16 pm

Your kidding about the 10 minutes per game in 39 games and 20 minutes per game in 19 games. How you can attempt to make the argument that suggests that those numbers are enough for a rookie player to make an impact are a damning indication that there is a problem in what you expect from rookie players.

A rookie point guard needs consistent minutes and opportunity to realize their potential. This team brought in Mike Bibby the same year that they drafted Acie Law. Did you know that??

Thats surely how you build on a players confidence, draft him then draft for an experience and over priced guard to take your spot after a handful of games. Woodson couldnt wait to start someone who would make less mistakes because his job security wouldnt allow it and he knew he didnt have the time to let Acie develop properly.

Same situation that was evident last year where you would be hard pressed to say that Teague wouldnt have been an upgrade over Bibby.

northcyde

August 16th, 2010
12:25 pm

Hawksgoingbackwards . . . we’re not going to have time to recover. We need to get off to a great start of the season, because the schedule gets extremely difficult in December. Teague needs to be given minutes, but not at the expense of losing games.

We are NOT a developing ballclub anymore. We are a playoff ballclub. And we’re going to need to be playing at a high level right from the start of the season, just to gain a 4th seed in the playoffs.

Notable December road games:

@ Miami
@ Orlando
@ San Antonio
@ Boston
@ New Orleans ( who beat us last year )
@ Milwaukee
@ Oklahoma City

The Hawks play Orlando 3 times before Christmas. This team can’t afford to half-step in the beginning of the year. If Teague is ready, Drew will play him. If he’s not, I hope he does not leave him in the game, just to gain experience, if he’s one of the main reasons why the team is losing ( or not winning ).

If Teague isn’t making a nightly contribution from the start, I’d rather for Drew to give Jordan Crawford a chance, than to keep throwing an ineffective Teague out there.

Hopefully, this won’t be a concern, and Teague has little difficulty with his expanded role on the team.

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
12:32 pm

*draft him then trade*

GeeMack

August 16th, 2010
12:33 pm

O’Brien

It doesn’t take much to get something out of quitting. If the Hawks go out fighting next year in a few playoffs games.

Did they get better, or decided to do their jobs?

The Hawks

jarvis

August 16th, 2010
12:40 pm

Sekou looks old in his picture.

GeeMack

August 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

The following areas on the Hawks roster still haven’t been addressed;

1)on court leadership (not a pg, but someone to hold the team accountable). In LA it’s Kobe, Miami D-Wade and Lebron. Den. Chauncye ect..

2)Rebounding: For Horford and Josh not be prolific scorers they should own the boards. The should average 11 to 13 boards each

3) Interior Defense; In the 4th quarter we allow teams to get whatever penestration they want. Josh is an excellent shot blocker, but that should be the saftey net and not the standard for our interior defense.

4) Playing with passion; We can not bring back the same team that has essentially give up for 3 playoff runs. Yes we had a great series against Boston in 08, but the fact remains the Hawks never showed up for any of the road against Boston. if they play with half the energy on the road as they do at home this is a different team

O'Brien

August 16th, 2010
12:51 pm

northcyde,

I was a big fan of Acie. But to me, his biggest problem was injuries. Whenever he started to play well, he got injured. And when he got healthy, he just wasn’t the same player.

And when you add that his role in Woody’s offense down the stretch was to cross half-court, give the ball to Flip, and go stand in the corner, it just wasn’t happening for him here. Maybe he can turn it around in Memphis.

The Hawks need to start out strong, because that will help the players continue to buy in to Drew’s system. Imagine if the Hawks start out 5-8? Drew might have a hard time convincing them to stick with the motion offense.

Even if Teague does not beat Bibby for the starting job, he still has to show that he is ready for a consistent 20 mpg, even if it is coming off the bench.

KevinM

August 16th, 2010
1:04 pm

Woody nor LD makes a difference with these guys at this point. They needed a new voice, and their full fledged support for LD to be hired kept them from being held accountable. We will see this year.
Things are not going to change drastically; a drastic change would be one that the city would be proud of which would be not to take plays off, to make the extra pass, to not stand there and countdown the clock.
Throw in any offense you want……where does it show where the Princeton motion offense has been so successful to have brought a team a championship? This team isn’t a serious threat past the 2nd round.
More changes were needed, and the majority of this fan base agrees.

There’s no choice now but to go with what you have. Obvious deduction for those here who are ready to see this team on the court. We have already seen the product…its not a championship contender this year.
I am at the point where it really doesn’t matter who promotes a new beginning. we potentially have the same starting 5 as last year!

Daniel, good points all the way around. I don’t need any public comment from LD to tell me what he is trying to do, but his voice does help bring in those that want to come down and see a game or 2 and back this team. If he isn’t interested in marketing the product then keep it to yourself. I am okay with it.
Rondo, I don’t consider JC2 an option at the 1. I don’t think he has the handle, nor the defensive speed to keep Rose, Wall, Rondo etc in front of him. But anything better than Bibby…I am all for that.

Some things that are locks this year:

- E#2 will not play more defense than he has already. He isn’t going to be on those ALL-NBA teams. He was listed as a Top 30-35 with 1 first place vote, but I don’t think he gives more effort than he has already shown. Keep him out there, but he isn’t a defensive stopper. Throw Al in that mix as well.

- The ASG as stated, is not doing ‘whatever’ it takes to make this team better. I gotta think the reason for all the offensive talk this offseason is because of last year’s ranking:
Rankings for teams last year
Offense
ATL – 18th (tied with NJ) Yikes!
Defense – 10th (better than LA, much worse than Orlando and Boston)
What really surprised me was that our rankings were better than OKC on both ends.

Does this new staff keep the current defensive level? Perhaps the offense is what gets this team going forward again. I would have to think that the defense needs improvement as well because our offense won’t be that much better.

I found Big Ray’s 5 questions this offseason: Agree or disagree:
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/2010/07/05/joes-back-five-questions-follow/
1) Can Larry Drew get more out of Joe Johnson? I say no, we have been told for years E#2 is being worn down before the end-of-year.
2) Is Joe serious about recruiting? No again.
3) What about those chemistry issues?
4) Can Marvin Williams be salveaged? Since its not a contract year, I see us getting what we have been out of Marvin. The 30th ranked SF out there since Year 1.
5) What will happen with Josh Childress? We should have stopped at 4 questions……much to do about nothing…and spells out the offseason.

Big Ray spelled out the summer of 2010…

Daniel

August 16th, 2010
1:06 pm

GeeMack- Didn’t you get the memo all of those issues have been addressed by the hiring of Larry “Hey, at least I’m not Woody” Drew?

Oh also, he made this video to promote a Princeton style motion offense, and he is not just giving players a job, blah, blah..

You mean the Hawks haven’t addressed your concerns?

Daniel

August 16th, 2010
1:13 pm

I have a feeling that this video of his offense is going to end up being quite the joke around here before the season ends. Remember our playoff guarantee?

Rufus1

August 16th, 2010
1:19 pm

Hawksgoingbackward

I agree completely with you about AC Law. Woodson was coaching for his Job and that was AC down fall, not his play. He got the same treatment Teague got and we saw how awful Bibby was last year.

Woodson should not be given the benefit of the doubt, how do you develop a PG when you don’t have a defined offense for him to RUN.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)

August 16th, 2010
1:20 pm

Bibby w/ significant minutes = wont get it done. If no move can be made for a better PG to start or a reliable backup/insurance policy…then all I can do is hope Teague really shows out this summer, wins the spot, and proves to be a quality PG….but that’s a long shot right now.

Bibby at best is ONLY a streaky jump shooter.

KevinM

August 16th, 2010
1:32 pm

Bibby will and can retain the job as much as a Fisher or Kidd can because he brings vet experience and the core believes in him.
Someone earlier said JT was Acie and both of their coming out SL performances were very similar.
The ASG likes LD so much, he gets 2 years to prove himself.
Not a ringing endorsement.

KevinM

August 16th, 2010
1:35 pm

Anyone still pining for Carmelo?

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/08/15/anthony.future.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

I can’t see him anywhere but NY or Denver. Putting off that extension only favors him moving elsewhere.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)

August 16th, 2010
1:43 pm

Bibby is not on a team with as much luxury to fall back on like the Lakers or even Dallas. To top that off, his shot is not as clutch as Fisher’s when the game is on the line, and he’s definitely not the passer that Kidd is.

Bibby’s experience and streaky jump shooting would be acceptable only in limited minutes off the bench.

I know the Hawks can do better than this!!!

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
1:50 pm

Personally I dont think how we play in the season matters as we havent improved enough to beat any team at the top of our Conference. But to your point about needing to avoid half-stepping in the beginning of the season suggest that you and I value the beginning and end of the season differently.

Suppose for a second that Mike Bibby ends up the starting point guard, not because he is the better point guard but because Larry Drew is truly a Woodson desciple and plans to go with “experience” over potential because like woodson his job is also on the line as next year is not guaranteed on his contract as Woodsons wasnt. (great show of confidence from ASG and Sund to our “new voice”)

And we get off to a good start, stumble to another descent record at the end of the year, make it with 5th seed in the East and watch Mike Bibby get beat like a drum again and lose in the first round. Now because Teague again doenst “earn” playing time because Mike Bibby can out-think (as if we are playing scrabble rather than basketball) other quicker point guards, we label him another bust release or trade him and have to draft another point guard that we thrust into the same dangerous cycle that weve been going through since we took Acie Law.

All in all I feel like there is no way that we are a better team with Mike Bibby starting, either in the short term and definately not in the long term.

Putting Jordan Crawford in at point would only exacerbate the point of the detriment of an inexperienced guard running a “playoff caliber” team. So if its not Teague starting then it will undoubtedly be Bibby.

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
1:59 pm

Now I know what if feels like to be an Oakland Raiders fan or a Los Angeles Clippers fan.

Overpaying declining players. Never making the obviously smart move because your constantly out-thinking yourself trying to look clever.

Why do I love this team so much???

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
2:03 pm

To those who try to compare Mike Bibby to Jason Kidd or Derek Fisher have to understand IMO that they play for considerably better teams than ours and Mike Bibby would easily be the least athletic and most immobile of every other starting guard in the NBA and we have the luxury of potentially labeling him our starting point guard. Mike Bibby could win the least athletic guard in the entire league award.

Can anyone think of a more immobile guard than Mike Bibby???

northcyde

August 16th, 2010
3:14 pm

Acie Law 2007 – 08 Game Log

But poor Acie just didn’t get a chance to prove himself.

i_am_soulstar

August 16th, 2010
3:28 pm

If only we could…
1) Sign Allen Iverson to a one year team-friendly contract
2) Trade Bibby for a 1st round draft pick
3) Get JC2 into the mindset of playing point guard

We’d have such a balanced squad. Not quite ‘championship material’, but definitely ‘upset your other favortie team in the playoffs’ material.

northcyde

August 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

@ hawksgoingbackwards . . . We need to get off to a good start, because our schedule is easier in November than in any other month.

From Dec. 4th through Feb. 28th, we play 40 games

- 15 at home
- 25 on the road

Anybody who knows anything about how this team plays on the road, knows to be kind of weary of those stretch of games. If the Hawks are struggling on the road ( like they normally do ), they better be lights out at home during these stretch of games.

And even when we DO get a lot of home games to close the year ( 14 of the last 21 are at home ), these are some of the teams we have to play in that stretch:

- Chicago ( twice )
- Oklahoma City
- LA Lakers
- Portland
- Denver
- Miami ( twice )
- Orlando
- Boston
- San Antonio

Now the Hawks can beat anybody at home, so I’m not overly concerned about those games. But those home games will not be cakewalks. Hopefully, the result will be similar to what we achieved last March, when the Hawks beat a lot of good teams at home.

But with the ease of our schedule in November, the Hawks don’t need to be stumbling out of the gate vs some of those mediocre to bad teams. In those first 20 games before we play @ Miami on Dec. 4th, the Hawks have a legit shot to at least have a 15 – 5 record going into that game.

What we don’t want to be, is 10 – 10 or 11 – 9, going into that game ( which will be the beginning of the 25 road game stretch of games until the end of February ).

Drew isn’t stupid. He’ll give Teague a chance, but he’s NOT going to let him be the reason why he lost a game. If he’s not making an impact on the game, he’s not going to play a lot.

Steel (Formerly VenomSpitter)

August 16th, 2010
3:53 pm

Hey everybody we dodged a HUGE BULLET by NOT drafting Lancce Stephenson. He pushed his girl don’t a flight of stairs.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013738-504083.html

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
3:59 pm

@northcyde, your reference Acie Law strengthens my point about a rookie guard needing opportunities and guidance to succeed. In comparison on your same website check the average minutes for Chris Paul and Deron Williams, they are almost more than double the minutes of Acie Law. Where is the opportunity to succeed when you are expected to run a team but your given half of the opportunity as another gaurd drafted into a similar situation.

I am in noway saying that given equal minutes Acie Law would be equal to or better than Chris Paul or Deron Williams but I am saying that if you SCOUT, EVALUATE, INTERVIEW AND CONSEQUENTLY DRAFT a player to be your starting point guard, give the man ample opportunity to prove why you went through all that trouble otherwise you look like the Atlanta Hawks do, seemingly using draft picks as “enny-menny-minny-mo” or dart board practice.

i_am_soulstar

August 16th, 2010
4:06 pm

Steel,

I had the same thought when I saw the news. Whew!

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
4:06 pm

@northcyde, make no mistake about it, Jeff Teague will lose us some games-Point blank period. Considering my love for this team, I would rather him lose us games early in the season where he can learn from his miscues and correct them for the latter part of the season (and playoffs) that you speak of.

There is no magic wand you or LD can wave and make JT without fault we just have to give him the keys to the car and trust him to figure it out. Much like what Doc Rivers did with Rajon Rondo who was taking over an IMMENSELY BETTER team for a coach who also had his job on the line as Rivers had the “Title or Bust” expectations considering the team that was developed.

Rajon Rondo looked foolish at times in the beginning of the season but Doc stuck with him regardless of people around Boston and all over sports media clamoring for them to bring in a veteran point guard (Mike Bibby type) but he TRUSTED the guy that THEY SCOUTED AND TRADED FOR to come around. And he was the key piece to them winning that Title.

Rondo

August 16th, 2010
4:11 pm

I agree soulstar I feel the Hawks have gotten all they can get out of Bibby. I almost fell out of my chair when someone compared Bibby to Jason Kidd and D Fish. Bibby isn’t a serviceable point gaurd for the hawks anymore. Thats why i have been arguing my point that jc2 and teague should be fighting for the pg spot rather than Bibby. Bibby should be in the game when L.D. needs a quick 3 right before halftime or at the end of the game.Thats where he is useful for this team.(3-point specialist)Play spot minutes or situational minutes like Kerr or Rex Chapman did at the end of their careers.Bibby use to be the man now he has to be used by L.D. in what he is only ok at doing shooting the occasional 3.JC2 causes the most matchup problems in the hawks offense if L.D. puts him in attack mode as a point.He would only be an average guy at the 2 spot compared to JJ and Jamal. When you have an advantage on your roster use it, and i feel that JC2 is the answer at point.

Jimmie Dollar

August 16th, 2010
4:19 pm

THE ATLANTA ( BIRDS ) hawks SHOULD HAVE WENT TO KROGER AND GOT 10 FOR 10 DRAFT PICKS, AND TO THE DOLLAR TREE FOR A COACH AND GM. PS, THAT’S 10 MILLION FOR EACH PLAYER.

Hawksgoingbackward

August 16th, 2010
4:20 pm

Jordan Crawford was drafted this year to gain experience because they have no intention on re-signing Jamaal Crawford. He wont play point this year because he will be the teams main bench option or six-man next year when Jamaal is no longer here.

Which begs the question of what they are going to do with 2 streaky shooters who have given no signs of defensive ability that require minuts JC1 because he is a proven offensive force and JC2 because he was drafted to be a shooter and eventually take over for JC1.

I wonder

Rondo

August 16th, 2010
4:36 pm

Rondo showed flashes of promise when he played in his rookie season.Teague haven’t been impressive by no means. Overall Time will tell. If Teague can’t show early in camp that he deserves the position he just don’t deserve it. And L.D. used Teague in a demonstration of his offense to get the head coaching job. If he can’t prove himself to a coach that believes in him, you don’t got much of a player. Teague don’t disappoint L.D. is counting on you…man. Its time to stop looking like a Rook and acting like a Rook. Man-up and the keys are yours.

KevinM

August 16th, 2010
4:36 pm

Bibby compares to Fisher and Kidd because of his years of experience, plain and simple. Its about how comfortable coaches are with guys who have been around for awhile and they don’t seem to be able to pull the trigger with a younger quicker guy.
I don’t see JC2 as being quick enough to stay in front of most of the PGs in the league. While his size would be worthy of being a PG, he is first an foremost a shooter. You should have seen that at Xavier.
You don’t become a distributor in Year 1 after being a gunslinger.

Bibby may not be the best, but he will keep the slot based on his teammates’ comfort zone with him. I don’t see him coming off the bench.

I don’t agree with Bibby even being able to look over the shoulder of Teague but not worth arguing.

Rev in Tampa

August 16th, 2010
4:41 pm

@Hawksgoingbackward – “we just have to give him the keys to the car and trust him to figure it out”

You must not have teenage daughters! I’ve got three. The oldest is seventeen.

Northcyde made a great point in his examination of the Hawks schedule. The Hawks have to win early in the season to win as much playoff homecourt advantage as they can. They cannot afford to coast (or treat the regular season as a preseason for Teague) because this Hawks team wins at home. And they particularly stink on the road in the playoffs.

Of course the Negative Nellys will tell me that the Heat & Magic have already won the first two spots and the other divisional winners get the remaining spots. So the Hawks are assured only a 5 spot – even before training camp begins…

I am going from memory, but 3/4 of the way through the season the Hawks were only one game behind Orlando. Atlanta hit a rough spot when Orlando surged. Atl finished six games behind Orlando last season.

Rondo

August 16th, 2010
4:43 pm

If Iverson can prove that he has changed his life give him a chance ASG. He can still sell tickets and is an ok scorer.I wonder who will fans rather have Bibby or Iverson? I say Iverson!

Sautee

August 16th, 2010
4:50 pm

Daniel,

about this: “The motion offense is a smoke screen, because (for just one example) right after the Shaq signing (which behind the scenes Drew was begging the Hawks to pursue) instead of answering those questions directly we got redirected to how we didn’t need Shaq, too slow for our new “offense”, too expensive, blah, blah, blah…”

Daniel, redirected by WHOM? I only saw other bloggers saying this. Who from the organization said these things that you claim, and where and when?

Sautee

August 16th, 2010
4:58 pm

northcyde,

I agree with your point on the PGs from Acie’s year being overrated. That’s an astute observation in hindsight. But if you’ll look at Acie’s last season here, there were several games where he “had an impact” as you would put it, and got a dnp-cd the very next game.

THAT is what gave folks the impression that Woodson wasn’t trying very hard to develop him.

That said, if he had hit a few more jumpers, he would have earned more of Woody’s trust. But being jerked around that way does nothing to engender the very confidence he needed to just “play”.

I still think he can be a decent contributor for someone.

Sautee

August 16th, 2010
5:08 pm

Rondo,

about this: “Rondo showed flashes of promise when he played in his rookie season.Teague haven’t been impressive by no means.”

While I;m not arguing that Rondo showed promise in his rookie year, he ALSO got 23.5 min per game to do so compared with 10.1 min for Teague. Could Teague have shown more with 23.5 minutes? Well, that’s what we NEEDED to see to evaluate him. But that didn’t happen. And we’ve discussed why ’til we’re blue in the face, but it didn’t happen. So now we are where we are.

But I’d venture a guess that IF Teague had gotten 23.5 minutes, at least we’d know now what he is or is not capable of.

Sautee

August 16th, 2010
5:10 pm

Rondo,

And let me be a little clearer:

I’m not saying that Teague DESERVED 23.5 minutes, particularly with Jamal playing so many PG minutes. Just that 10.1 is a puny sample size next to 23.5

i_am_soulstar

August 16th, 2010
5:12 pm

Maybe I’m nit-picking, but I keep seeing people say that the Hawks won’t be top 3 because they won’t win their division. Did anyone watch the playoffs last year????

Division winners DO NOT get a top 3 spot for being division winners.

Ex: The Hawks were 2nd in the Southeast Division and were a 3 seed last year. Boston, a division winner, was a 4 seed.

Please stop projecting the Hawks’ playoff seed based on an erroneous belief. It just makes it seem like you’re not paying attention, and that makes me sad :(

darrell starks

August 16th, 2010
5:29 pm

darrell starks

August 16th, 2010
5:32 pm

Woody destroyed ac the law confindence i wish the hawks would have develop him.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

August 16th, 2010
5:38 pm

BIBBY DAYS ARE OVER, 2 be a pg in the nba you have 2 be able breakdown defense and create easy basket for your teammates and bibby is non existence in doing that.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

O'Brien

August 16th, 2010
5:43 pm

Everybody conveniently forgets that during a stretch of 7 games in December, Teague got consistent PT, and he produced. If anybody wants to see the stats again, it can be reposted.

I dont think Teague should be handed the starter’s job. Bibby is the incumbent, so Teague has to outplay him, and I am okay with that.

First and foremost, nobody expects Teague to be in the game in the fourth quarter for the last 8 minutes down the stretch of a close game (unless he has earned it).

But there is no reason why he can’t get 20 minutes of game time out of the first 40 minutes (bibby gets 20, Teague gets 20). And then whoever plays the last 8 minutes will depend on matchups, hot hands etc.