Atlanta Hawks: Drew says Teague ‘has got to earn’ Bibby’s spot

Teague will have to go all out for starting gig.

Teague will have to go all out for gig.

You might have noticed Bob Bender stood in for Bibby during Camp Drew and figured that means Bibby, not Teague, heads into 2010-11 as the starting point guard.

And you’d be right.

When Hawks camp opens on Sept. 28, Bibby will be the incumbent at point guard. Rook’ is going to have to take the job from him.

“He’s got to earn that,” L.D. said. “It’s not just going to be handed to him. If he proves it, he has an opportunity. I will come back with the starting lineup we’ve had in the past. Unless somebody clearly, clearly beats somebody out, [then] that’s something I would have to take a look at. But I am going with the normal guys [to start].”

That’s not surprising since Hawks coaches spent much of Summer League saying they’d like to see Teague be more assertive. Plus, Teague has yet to do anything to show that he deserves the job. There’s a chicken/egg element to it–did he never really get the chance to prove he’s ready to be lead dog, or did he never really get the chance to be lead dog because he’s just not ready? Now he gets a real shot to show he deserves the gig, and it probably wouldn’t be good for L.D. or the team to bench a popular vet like Bibby until that happens (if it does).

Also remember Bibby still has value as a good spot-up shooter with a low turnover percentage. That’s two areas where Teague needs work. On the flip side Teague is a better defender, can push the pace and should be able to set up baskets as he learns to play under control (he actually posted a higher assist percentage than Bibby).

It’s probably best not to get too caught up in which guy starts, anyway. Bibby played a career-low in minutes last season and didn’t always finish games. Those trends should continue. L.D. is going to give Teague an opportunity to run with the starters and he’s said he will be patient. The rest is up to Teague.

Steve Rosenberry officially joined the Blazers as an assistant GM to Rich Cho. It’s a promotion for Rosenberry, who was director of pro personnel/college scouting for the Hawks.

Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft is a candidate for GM jobs in Denver and Phoenix.

– For those who have asked, Josh Powell has picked jersey No. 12.

MC

383 comments Add your comment

SWAT Native

August 13th, 2010
12:19 pm

This shouldn’t even be news…

SWAT Native

August 13th, 2010
12:23 pm

…and MC, I didn’t mean that as a diss, but of course Teague should have to earn the job. It’s amazing how many people thought that it would be handed to him.

pedro el gitano

August 13th, 2010
12:26 pm

estoy de acuerdo con swat,no deberia ser noticia,es lo logico y normal.Hasta yo,con 32 años y 100 kilos,lo haria mejor que bibby!!!

kwooden1

August 13th, 2010
12:27 pm

After re-watching a few games from last season, I agree. But I hope Jeff can really push Bibby and hopefully getting the starting job by mid-season.

RealSquawk

August 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

I don’t want to be first. I don’t want to be first. I don’t want to be first.

Michael Cunningham

August 13th, 2010
12:32 pm

@ SWAT: ha . . . i get it. it’s not certain Teague will rise up and take the job.

dap01

August 13th, 2010
12:39 pm

Can Teague make a layup on a fast break, Bibby stuggles with that. Can Bibby handle the ball against ANY pressure, Teague can, Bibby can’t.

Teague will determine if the Hawks improve. Bibby will not.

jhfd

August 13th, 2010
12:42 pm

RealSquawk

August 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

Has Larry talked about at all about how competitive he expects training camp to be with people’s spot being opened to challenge

SWAT Native

August 13th, 2010
12:45 pm

@ Pedro – Estoy contento está de acuerdo.

I Heart Atlanta

August 13th, 2010
12:50 pm

Thanks MC Now I can stop Bugging you lol

KevinM

August 13th, 2010
1:05 pm

It will take a new PG to move this team forward. Bibby, if he buys into it, could be a good backup, in a 1/2 court set.

Good stuff MC; the biggest change this offseason in the rotation.

O'Brien

August 13th, 2010
1:07 pm

Thanks MC. And that is the way it should be. Bibby struggled last year, but he still has the edge over Teague until preseason and training camp.

And even if Teague doesnt start, chances are he will get 20 mpg anyway.

“He’s got to earn that,” L.D. said. “It’s not just going to be handed to him. If he proves it, he has an opportunity. .

Although Drew is talking about Teague, I wonder if he would have given the starting job to Chills when he was here, instead of them handing it to Marvin from season 2.

GStateBen

August 13th, 2010
1:21 pm

And @ 20 minutes per night I think he could easily go for 7 points and 4 assists per. That would be a very good back up point. Honestly, starting has never been the issue, it’s finishing as Jamal C was typically on the floor at PG during the close of games last season which will likely happen again.

MsDee

August 13th, 2010
1:22 pm

I love that approch by LD on Teague, and once again, LD is helping Teague to develop into the GREAT PG he can be by basically letting Teague work that much harder at being better at Bibby’s weaknesses. Dont think that LD is not whispering into Teague’s ear that all you REALLY need to work on this off-season, is Bibby’s weaknesses which is DEFENSE & attacking the rim and FINISHING at the RIM. If Teague could successfully do that during all of Pre-season and about 1/3 of the beginning season, Teague WILL be our new starting PG!! Teague’s weaknesses under Bibby’s wont hinder him that much since LD OFFense will not pressure Teague that much on jump shots. But dont sleep on Teague’s ablitiy to shoot outside jumpers..he was pretty good in that area in college, he just could never get into rhythm under Woodson b/c he was afraid he would get pulled immediately!!

O’Brien,

I was thinking the SAME THING about CHills after reading how LD will give players the opportunity to be starters if they deserve it. Dang, I wish Chills woud have put his pride aside and played under LD. This team would have been much, much better than GREAT!

tyger

August 13th, 2010
1:27 pm

Get’em both outta here!

dukester

August 13th, 2010
1:31 pm

Love the kid I believe under Drew he will flourish. Drew being an ex guard will probably help him. I think teague should look to push the ball so we can get more fast break points. Under Woodson it seems like he wanted to control so much that he wouldnt let the guys run. Look at the teams that get those easy baskets. They push the ball then if the defense stops the fast breaks then they go in a half court set. But with Bibby if he couldnt make the long outlet pass we were screwed we had to earn them the hard way with no offensive scheme.

Michael Cunningham

August 13th, 2010
1:42 pm

@RealSquawk: “Has Larry talked about at all about how competitive he expects training camp to be with people’s spot being opened to challenge”

i think what he’s saying in that quote is that he’s willing to make a change if a reserve clearly beats out a starter. PG is the only position where i can realistically see that happening but i guess you never know.

darrell starks

August 13th, 2010
1:43 pm

MC you have 2 be kidding me posting up something like this, if bibby starte on this team LD should be fired the same day.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

August 13th, 2010
1:46 pm

Bibby is rank last among point guards, and on top of that no defense wow!!!!!! LD will be just like woody what a stupid comment.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Ben Marko

August 13th, 2010
1:54 pm

@Darrell Starks- While Jeff Teague has a promising future, how can you say he should be starter on day 1? The kid played mediocre at best during summer league play. Bibby gives us our best chance to win as of now. LD willl have to give Teague 25 min/ night in order to show me he’s no Woody….and I believe Teague will get that

Hmmm

August 13th, 2010
1:57 pm

smh…..TRADE MIKE BIBBY!!!!

Fundamentals

August 13th, 2010
2:02 pm

I see no problem with this. Competition will get the best out of them. My main concern is give Teague real time in practice with the starters and in the game to see how he does with our real offensive options in LD’s offensive system. Before he basically dribbled up, threatened to penetrate and handed it to Jamal. It’s easier to look good when you’re dishing to 3-4 premier scoring options instead of 1 on the court at a time.

I just want to see Bibby arrive in camp hungry and determined. He could be an assassin in a backup role or in a catch and shoot role for LD. It’s just whether he wants it? Did we bash Bibby when he came over from Sac Town? No, he walked on water for most. He brought us forward, he carried us. Then two years later he’s an outcast?

Something ain’t right and I think it’s his mindset and how he fits in on our team. We need to gel for all the right reasons, not waste talent because they don’t fit in.

USE IT OR TRADE IT! WE NEED ALL 13 100% WITH THE SYSTEM TO WIN!

Melvin

August 13th, 2010
2:03 pm

Glad to hear that LD will give Teague (can we drop the rook label) a fair chance to compete for minutes and play with the starters unlike his treatment under Woody.

Joe

August 13th, 2010
2:04 pm

Speaking of Woody, what has he been up too? Still umemployed?

Michael Cunningham

August 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

@ darrell starks: “MC you have 2 be kidding me posting up something like this, if bibby starte on this team LD should be fired the same day.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!”

why wouldn’t i post this? and shouldn’t L.D. start the best guy?

darrell starks

August 13th, 2010
2:09 pm

Ben marko if coach LD have no confidence in teague then trade him or package up for and point guard, if your telling me bibby will starte then what your saying the improvement of the hawks isn’t justified from last year failure in the playoff’s.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

August 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

MC BIBBY DAYS ARE OVER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

steve brown

August 13th, 2010
2:14 pm

I’m still waiting for the Hawks to do something in free agency. Did I miss it?

Hawks Heart

August 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

Our pg wants out of New Orleans…Give up Bibby, Teague and a future #1 and let’s right the wrong that was made when we didn’t take him #1. Otherwise it’s Miami,Orlando,Boston, then maybe Atlanta…The truth hurts to write this but everybody has gotten better but the Hawks I love.

Grandad

August 13th, 2010
2:22 pm

*promoting competition

A novel idea.

Rondo

August 13th, 2010
2:24 pm

Its a shame that Teague has to earn the starting job over Bibby.This lets us know that Teague just ain’t that great. If Teague can’t win the starting job MC is it any reason to keep Teague around?

Najeh Davenpoop

August 13th, 2010
2:29 pm

Nothing wrong with this approach, but Teague has to be given the fair shot to take Bibby’s job that he never got last year under Woody. I’m confident that if Teague gets his 20 minutes per game he will take over as the starter pretty soon into the season.

Fundamentals

August 13th, 2010
2:31 pm

Grandad? Why is it that kids these days feel so entitled? Why are they so afraid to give 100% and fail miserably but with respect & dignity? What’s wrong with competition? I just don’t get it. I’m feeling old…relatively speaking.

Fundamentals

August 13th, 2010
2:33 pm

I believe that Najeh. He just needs solid consistent time in the rotation w/ the starters. Say 4-5 consistent minutes per quarter regardless of how he does. He needs to know he’ll stay on the court given his mistakes. At least until Feb. Then we could decide to promote him to starter, trade him or keep him where he’s at on the bench.

Grandad

August 13th, 2010
2:35 pm

Running motion offense has a side benefit.
*It helps your defense.
your team has to work harder in practice
defending each other thus the game seems
easier. You work on all situations in practice
every day. Therefore any situation you see in
games will be easily recognized & defended.

“Work hard in practice to make the game easy”
[paraphrase]
‘Bob Knight’

ToeKnee

August 13th, 2010
2:36 pm

As Hawks fans we have one question to ask ourselves:

Is someone with both good common and basketball sense finally in charge of the team?!!

Everything I keep hearing from Drew sounds reasonable, thoughtful, and intelligent. I really hope team chemistry will grow under Drew, and I think that obviously was a major consideration in his hire. A platoon of Bibby and Teague at point seems like the best approach for this year, with Teague’s performance dictating just how far the pendulum will swing in his way concerning playing time and late game situations.

dstdeelite

August 13th, 2010
2:39 pm

I like it. I thought in Teague seemed a little ho-hum in Summer League at first. As long as Bibby is servicable, he needs to work for his paycheck. Plus he’s shown a willingness to teach Teague a thing or two. Bibby shouldn’t see heavy minutes but he’s still needed at this point.

BigTimeTECHFan

August 13th, 2010
2:41 pm

Don’t Agree:
There should be cases where a player can lose his starting job. I Think bibby did that last year.
It should be understood that Teague needs to develop a little, got to be thrown into the fire. You have to be a coach and project where the player can be 25 to 30 games from now.

1. If You start Teague, and give him playing time will he be a better player in 25 or 30 games. Got to let Teague get a feel for game
2. No rule states the better player has to start. Example Jamal Crawford is better then M Williams.
3. Developing a player is part of coaching, sometimes giving a play major minutes with no 1 guys helps.
4. All would be different if Bibby was a major factor on team but we are talking about a play that did not help much in playoffs last year. So you must factor in if you give Teague time early will he be better come playoff time

Rondo

August 13th, 2010
2:42 pm

This offense will be great but like Drew said expect a lot of turn overs. Man i hope Josh becomes a better passer in this offense, dude scares me every time he touches the ball on the perimeter. And Bibby has to handle the ball much better he got stripped a lot last season. Marvin seems like he will benefit greatly from this offense.

BigTimeTECHFan

August 13th, 2010
2:43 pm

That noted, I think Jordan Crawford will win the job.

Grandad

August 13th, 2010
2:48 pm

Rondo – I must respectfully disagree.
Under the previous coach, no competition
at all was ever utilized. People have griped
about Marv retaining his starting pos.
I think JT should earn his job.
[which I think he will]
I hope LD maintains a culture of competition
throughout his tenure.

Fundamentals – we’re in accord.
Let’s feel old together.

Rondo

August 13th, 2010
2:50 pm

If Teague can’t win the starting job in camp, don’t expect him to win it in the regular season. Yes competing for the job is great, but if you can’t show you can lead this team over Bibby you just don’t deserve the job. Teague you have to prove to Drew early in camp that you can run his offense as starter. If you don’t your future on this team will be short lived A.C Law.Oh oh i mean Teague.

MsDee

August 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

I still like how LD is handling Teague, but I wonder if Doc Rivers were our coach, I believe he would start Teague and give him THAT opportunity to lead this team, just like he did Rondo when Rondo wasnt the Rondo he is now.

The Real JC

August 13th, 2010
2:55 pm

It’s not about the starting job, it’s about the majority of minutes. As long as Teague doesn’t get Acie’d this season, he’ll be fine, even if he doesn’t start at the beginning of the season.

Rondo

August 13th, 2010
3:00 pm

It just shouldn’t take that much of a showing to move Bibby to the bench. Teague will be a big let down if he doesn’t prove himself early. Bibby coming off the bench with his 3 pointers will be deadly in Drews motion offense. But I do understand Grandad that overall team competition makes a better team. But I do believe that Bibby is more useful coming off of bench than being a starter. If Teague doesn’t work out move JC2 to point. It may teach JC2 patience.

Fundamentals

August 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

I’d like to see LD use both in terms of matchups like he did with Doc and Spud. When we needed to speed up the game we had Spud flying up the wing w/ Nique, when we needed stability and to calm Nique down Doc commanded the ball and moved the offense. No difference here, but I wish Bibby had Doc’s length.

Nice thought on JC2 could push them both as well as what happened with the Sy rumor?

The Real JC

August 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

@Rondo – with Teague’s growth being stunted under Woodson and Bibby being more familiar with these players, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a close battle. But Teague has something Bibby doesn’t – functioning knees that won’t give out halfway through the season. Even if Teague can’t beat out Bibby for some reason, shouldn’t he get starting experience under his belt over a guy whose legs will likely give out before the season is over?

truthspitter

August 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

I agree this shouldn’t even be news. This is just the way it should be. The Hawks already give too much to guys like Marvin and Zaza to an extinct.

Melvin

August 13th, 2010
3:04 pm

Who cares who starts? I’m more concerning about who finished the game. Which guy will be in the closing group should tell us who’s more effective on the court. I’m sure most players would prefer to finish over starting the game. Starting is more an ego thing than anything else.