Atlanta Hawks: Schedule stuff (UPDATE: 2010-11 schedule released)

1st haha

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NBA schedule and Madden in the same day. It’s summer utopia!

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Great blog MC!

Good job!

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Guess I should finish all my work before 2pm. I need at least an uninterrupted hour to break down the schedule in it’s entirety.

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What’s there to breakdown? Unless I missed the NBA contracting or expanding, aren’t they playing the same teams as last year?

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How many back-2-backs? Any back-2-backs with same team?
When is the left coast trip where we hope to break even?

How many times will Miami come to Philips and fill the place?

When does John Wall come to Philips? He and Arenas together will be interesting to watch.

Can we beat OKC this year?

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Another chance to sell a few tix…gone.

From Twitter–daldridgetnt
McGrady agrees to come off bench in Detroit after agreeing to 1 year min. Story up soon on NBA.com.

Maybe the Hawks will have a has been mini pack to get folks out to see the stars a 5 years ago come off the bench for other teams

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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68588/20100808/horford_moving_from_center_to_power_forward/

A bit off topic……..

I don’t know how much this has been reviewed, but LD is telling Al things are changing….

Has this been discussed under the MC blogs? How is this going to come together? Doesn’t this remind you of the days when Jason Collier(RIP) was going to be the starting center? We are going with Zaza and Twin?
Really?

I always said Al was more of a Tim Duncan to us than he should have been having to share the paint with PF Smoove?

If we went by the Holling PER rankings, Smoove ranks above all Hawks in PER by far….and Al is ahead of E#2. JC1 comes in around 41.

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Kevin if horford play powerford where do josh play ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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MC i have some serious Q 2 ask ASG if im going 2 renew my tickets.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

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I like the fact that we end the season with Memphis at home. We should be able to rest the starters in prep for our first round series against Boston or Orlando (whichever is the #3 seed).

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McGrady signs for the vet minimum in Detroit, agreeing to come off the bench.

ASG’s reply: “Who cares, we have the awesome Mo Evans.”

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Tommy Trojan,

Who we’re playig at home? Who we’re playing away? Back-to-backs? West Coast trips? Texas triangles? All these things are important because they have an impact on a team’s regular season success, and may potentially affect the postseason.

The first 5 teams we play may have an effect on our momentum coming out of the gate. The last 5 teams we play may determine momentum going into the playoffs and/or seeding if we get locked in a race with another team for a certain seed.

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The Heat are coming December 23 and March 8.

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BIG RAY-You know I won’t hesitate to challenge any one’s opinion, or offer my own, but I have to take a back seat on your comment about us not being interested in signing TMac for the vet minimum. I can envision him as being simply awesome in LDrew’s motion OFF. His overall ability to score, and willingness to come off the bench, along with JoCrawford, would certainly have made our SMOY JaCrawford more expendable.

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So, it’s past 2:00pm. I can’t find the schedule anywhere.

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hosting Lakers March 8

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Hey Bob,

how bout you go drink some cyanide, buddy? I gave people answers. I never vouched for the validity of my dates.

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Hillarious to note that Jello Biafra’s post is followed by one from Bob….tiny devolving saucer filled universe….

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open season @ Memphis Oct 27 and @ Philly Oct 29

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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68588/20100808/horford_moving_from_center_to_power_forward/

THIS IS UNCLEAR. IS HORFORD GOING TO STAY AT CENTER OR MOVE TO PF. HORFORD SAYS HE IS MOVING. THEN IT SAYS HE WILL PLAY MORE AT PF

IDIOTS

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I wonder how much revenue the ASG just lost by having that second Miami game at the back-end of the season when those guys won’t likely be playing? And how many casual fans wil show up thinking that they will see the Dreamgirls at season’s end?

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7 national TV games I see. ( I do not count NBA TV games as being National TV . . even though the Hawks website is trying to sell it that way ).

I was saying 4 – 6 national TV games. Dang shame that we couldn’t at least get 10. Let me check the other websites, to see how many ESPN/TNT games some other teams got

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@MC, on a different note, scheduling home games against a division opponent in the last 2 months of the season is stupid. If there were any chance that the Hawks could compete for the division, we would be at a considerable disadvantage but not having a division oponent in our areana until March… and then not again until the last home game. Not for nothing, but the NBA screwed that one up… division opponents should face each other throughout the season both home and away… not one-sided like what we are seeing in the ‘10-11 season.

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Way to get some National recognition Hawks!!!

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I guess i need to make those reservations for the season opener @ Memphis….Go Hawks….

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As usual the ASG get shafted for the 2nd year in a row the last home game of the season is against the hot team last year the Lebrons this year the Wades? League trying to send a message to ASG to clear up there mess.

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Possible home games I may attend . . just by looking at the schedule right now

- Nov. 5th vs Phoenix
- Dec 11th vs Indiana
- Jan 17th vs Sacramento
- Feb 12th vs Charlotte
- Mar 18th vs Miami ( although I may opt to see the Portland game on Mar 12th )
- Apr 1st vs Boston

This schedule is NOT friendly to those that simply like to attend Hawk games on a Friday or Saturday night, and like to see the big name teams. Most of the “marquee games” happen on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, so I’m sure the ASG is glad to see that.

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northcyde

August 10th, 2010
2:54 pm
“Season opener @ Memphis is a game I’ll definitely make.

I’ll travel to ATL on the 24th to see my Bengals beat the Falcons . . then to Memphis on the 27th to see the Hawks beat the Grizzlies . . then to Birmingham on the 30th to attend the Magic City Classic.”

I know it’s dumb to respond to a football remark on the Hawks blog, but common now northcyde, the Bengals beat the Falcons in the GA Dome?

Not happening…

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Wabe . . we’ll see man. We’ll see.

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“Ok folks, I hate to do this but……”

“There is a difference in the following spellings:”

“There”
“Their”
“They’re”

“Sorry, but that is a peeve of mine, I aplolgize. Carry on”

Hawk,

Apolgy accepted.

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McGrady for the vet minimum would have been perfect. ASG has no desire to improve this team. As long as he was healthy, no way that you would be able to keep him out of the starting lineup. I for one, being a season ticket holder for the past 6 years will not renew my tickets to see the same thing or probably worse this year. I just made my decision, I’m not renewing. Powell, Drew, Cheesburger Collins and some end of the bench guy is not worth that couple of thousand dollars.

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You know that basketball comes around late October early November every year. But it seesm so much closer when you write it down (OCt. 27 wow).

Anybody else feel like this off season has just flown by. I am still foaming about the mouth about last season and a new season is less than two months away. Geesh.

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This schedule is pretty tough before March 1st.

- We play 35 of our first 61 games on the road.
- 7 in a row on the road to end February
- 5 games vs Miami and Orlando ( only 1 at home )

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But if the Hawks beat whom they are supposed to beat, they could be 6 – 0 going into that Sunday game vs Phoenix. If they do that, they’ll have a legit shot to start the season 14 – 4. And they’ll need a start like that to have as a buffer, if they happen to struggle on the road starting in December. A lot of tough December road games.

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@ just SHOOT me . . . . well, if you like to see the Hawks play at home, that team has posted a 90 – 33 record at home in the past 3 years. So they’re going to win around 75% of the time you see them at home.

I don’t go to games to see the other team play, although it’s always good to see us play another top level team at home. But I go to see the HAWKS play. Going to an Indiana or a Clipper game doesn’t bother me one bit, because I’m there to see the Hawks.

We may not have upgraded the team, but this should still be one of the best home teams in the NBA. Winning 30 games again at home isn’t out of the question. But for us to get to that next level as a team, we have to start winning more on the road.

But home fans buying season season tickets or not, doesn’t mean anything as to how the Hawks play on the road.

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More National Games will Come

When we the Hawks start the season 20-2

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if you have madden on xbox live hit me up…igotxx3

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“strange as it may seem, they insist they don’t need another wing.”

Figures. I guess they are ok with troting out the 30th ranked small foward in the league against the Lebron’s, Pierce’s, Granger’s, and Vince Carter’s of the eastern conference.

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I was all for signing Shaq for a couple of reasons..number one we need his big body against Dwight and number two he can help draw fans…however i dont understand why people think Tracy Mcgrady will be any help to the Hawks. He play last year on a sorry Knicks team and only managed 9.8 points per game plus only a very small group of people will want to see the artist formally known as T-MAC.

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“That closing schedule looks like a kind of trade-off between opponents and location, doesn’t it? ”

If there’s one thing the Hawks have proven over the last couple of years, it is that they can beat anyone at Philips Arena.

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“Just read an quote from Danny Ainge saying that he is positve that you will see both O’Neal’s and Garnett on the floor at the same time. I wonder how we will match up.”

How many games this season do you think all three will be healthy at the same time? I put the over/under at 10.

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I’m a little puzzled as to why T-Mac signed with Detroit though. If anything, I think maybe Detroit signed him to potentially package in a trade along with Tayshaun Prince at the trade deadline and get some draft picks in return.

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ding

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Hawks could win 8 or 9 of there first 10 if they could win on the road, but they usually don’t win on the road with this same exact team coming back and counting on a rookie PG, I expect for them to be more like 6-4, 7-3 if they get lucky

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any word on Kwame Brown?

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T-Mac jumpshooting last year:

eFG%: 37.1% . . . ( 5 ppg )

I’m posting from my phone right now. Could somebody go to the Pape Sy blog, and copy and paste my post listing the primary SF’s from each team, and the eFG% they shot on their jumper?

I believe T-Mac would rank next to last in jumpshooting. Only Shawn Marion was worse.

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The Real JC,

“If we’re looking for realistic backup solutions for Marv, we need to look at a real wing player with height and length to go along with his stroke.”

McGrady is 6′8 or 6′9 with a 7 foot wingspan, and a better stroke than Marvin. He could easily play the 3 just like Joe can. T-Mac with one leg and one arm could get to the rack better than Marvin. Marv might be a slightly better defender, that’s about it. What games have you been watching?

Najeh,

Just read an quote from Danny Ainge saying that he is positve that you will see both O’Neal’s and Garnett on the floor at the same time. I wonder how we will match up.

“How many games this season do you think all three will be healthy at the same time? I put the over/under at 10.”

Boston doesn’t care about the season, only the Playoffs.

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NORTHCYDE-Why on earth would you go to the Magic City Classic? And do you have anything in common with either school?

ROD FROM CP-You’re employing one track minded thinking, just like your beloved Woody. WHY ARE YOU SO FIXATED ON THINKING WE AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO MATCH UP TO THEM? Yes, they’ll be bigger and taller, but why can’t you see the difficulty they’ll have trying to match up with our speed, quickness, mobility and athleticism? You’re so blinded by their size, height and fading star power names, you can’t seem to grasp that we present an even greater match up problem for them.

We ran the Celtics into the ground last yr, and adding Shaq and JOneal only makes them older, slower and less athletic. Can you imagine JOneal, Shaq and KG on the baseline using what little speed, quickness and athleticism they have left to fight over picks to keep up with their man?

How effective do you think they’d be in transition DEF with Horford, Smoove and Marvin blowing past them on a fast break? Let’s look at it another way. Here’s how we could catchup to them.

C-JCollins 7′ Shaq 7′1″
PF-AHorford 6′10″ KG 6′11″
SF-JSmith 6′9″ JOneal 6′11″

Even with this lineup, we’d still maintain an advantage over them in speed, quickness, mobility and athleticism. You’re getting all worked up over the sizzle rather than the steak.

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northcyde,

Are you really about to try to argue about T-Mac Jump shooting last year. The guy was coming off a major knee injury, and played hurt. The guy is a career 43%fg shooter, who was double and triple teamed most of his career. Sometimes you guys rely on the stat stuff to much. Tracy McGrady if he is not still injured, and can get on the floor, is a much better option than anything we have on our roster besides Joe, Josh, Al and Jamal. Give the guy at least a year to get his legs back. You saw what Amare did last year. Especially for a little over 1 mill. Even if you played him sparingly, and just got him ready for the playoffs it would be worth it. I am pretty positive that if not injured, he could give you more than 8 points in 30 minutes, which is what our starting small forward did in the playoffs. I also will continue to state that contrary to popular belief our offense has been our main problem in the playoffs over the last two years. No creativity, no movement, no players who can create their own shot except Joe and Jamal. McGrady would have been a great add for a so called motion offense.

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Ken Strickland,

I actually agree with you on the matchup part, but I am so used to seeing us walk the ball up the floor, I am not sure what we are capable of. I’ve also tald you numerous times that I was not a Woody fan. Any coach who continuosly trots out and underperforming small forward, who probably would not start for many high schools in the Atlanta area, is not somebody who I like. I also don’t believe that we are such an athletic team. Josh is the only super athlete on the team. Mo is probably the only other guy that is real athletic. Teague might be, but I have not seen enough of him to say that. Horford is faster, and quicker than most centers, but his offensive moves are very mechanical and not fluid. I would not call Joe athletic. His game is very smooth, but not what I would call athletic. No way is Marvin athletic. Athletic people don’t trip, stumble, and hit the ground as much as he does. I know you are not putting Bibby in that category. Jamal could be put in that category, but only on the offensive side of the ball.

I have also seen enough basketball to know that that running and gunning stuff will not work in the playoffs. The only team that I could see pulling that style off in the playoffs and winning would be Miami.

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@ Mr. Strickland . . . because I think the Magic City classic is one of the best college football weekends of the year, when you consider the game, and everything going on around the game.

The Magic City Classic = Plenty of great food . . usually a good game between Alabama St and Alabama A&M . . plenty of parties . . and plenty of FINE WOMEN. I don’t have ties to either school, but I’ve attended that event 4 of the last 6 years.

I do have ties to Tennessee St, so I always attend the Atlanta Football Classic between TSU and FAMU. But I always have a better time in Birmingham, even if my lady is with me.

But of course, you know the rules when you’re with your woman . . . “eyes on your own paper”. If you do sneak a look, don’t let her catch you doing it.

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Dang!

NorthCyde, can I go?

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As suspected, Heat basketball will be rammed down our throats this season with 29 nationally televised games. Totally expected. The new darlings of the NBA, OKC, has one more televised game than the Hawks. Oh well, I guess we should be happy about the few we do have. Just remember where we were a few short years ago.

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Rod,

You are the one who is to hung up on past stats.

Apart from popularity contests, T-Mac won nothing and achieved nothing during his whole career. He lacks passion and knowledge of the game and now that his legs have given up on him he lost his only asset: entertainment factor.

I am not saying that Marvin is all that great, he isn’t, but T-Mac would bring zero to the Hawks and not even as a reserve he would be useful. He was never a team first player and you cannot have more than one instant-offense-bench-player in a team. That seat is already taken by Jamal.

We need a SF which brings D and physicality not a limping has been which I foresee will be either cut or traded by Christmas time on a 25 win team.

Our best option would be to simply work with the assets we have: overcrowded at the SG slot? Just slide JJ to the SF starting slot and get Mo on the starting SG slot and we would have two solid perimeter defenders at both positions. Mo has proven that when given minutes at the SG slot he can deliver solid numbers.

Marvin could come off the bench to spell JJ and Josh on both the SF and PF slots and maybe, just maybe, we would be able to extract more out of his minutes.

Jamal would be the first guy off the bench to spell Mo and occasionally Teague/Bibby.

Jordan Crawford would be our insurance in the even that any of the 4 SG/SF guys (JJ, Mo, Jamal, Marvin) went down allowing us to re-shuffle.

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VAVA 74 YOU CAN’T BE REAL COMPARING TMAC 2 THE DUCK WOW!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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Hey Hawk-In-The Ham…………..for a smart ass………..you sure are dumb! It’s spelled “apologize”. Let me see you get that right.

Ken Strickland…………..thanks for reminding us how the hawks “ran the Celts into the ground” last year……….but I noticed that you did’nt mentioned that they played for the championship………what’s up with that?

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darrell,

breathe deep. then read the post.

I never compared T-Mac with Marvin.

I did point out – and continue to do so – that behind all those pretty stats, T-Mac has been nothing more than a loser.

He never got pass the first round of the playoffs, even when he was 100% healthy and in some occasions with at least decent teams around him.

His stats were a byproduct of his complete dominance of the ball and his teams’ offense with very simple and clearcut results: ISO-T-Mac = zero playoff series wins.

Now? He is nothing but a washed up player looking to make amends a bit too late. Without his chops, his game is nothing.

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Why don’t the Hawks try to sign Rasheed Wallace for the vet minimum, the Celtics just waived him today, and he is a very good defensive center with an underated offensive game. Any thoughts?

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As much as I have been one of the soloists singing the current song about the inactions of the Hawks Management Group, the Hawks would not have faired any better then Chicago Boston or Cleveland regarding the T-Max acquisition. Why, because like Shaq, the ego driven T-max demanded more money and/or role then those teams were willing to give him based on his past injury. These teams that pursued T-Mac were looking to low-ball him and make him a specialist off the bench instead of the primary focal offense as T-Max desired to re-live his prior role in Houston. So after the other teams passed, the savvy Joe Dumars acquired a deflated ego T-Max by default for 1-year vet min. Detroit was “luckily” in the right place at the right time. However, this does create a perfect win-win situation for both parties. T-Max will energize the Detroit fan base and sell tickets while auditioning for his next contract. Everyone should know that our GM Sund was likely asleep at the wheel (on these events) while Dumars was camped out waiting to strike. However, even if Sund had declared an interest in T-Mac, he likely would have failed for similar reasons as he did with Shaq.

While others have criticized Woody in the past for being so stubborn and failing to see the obvious, the question now is, what about Sund? Granted he’s not writing the checks and has been given an apparent tight budget, but his job is to persuade by giving his expert opinion to the ASG and making recommendations. It happen with JJ as Sund persuaded the ASG to give him Max dollar. Clearly he is not seeing what many on these blogs and other media outlets have expressed about improving the supporting cast. This is based on his public statements of staying the course with the core and his inactions. Even within his tight budget, his talent acquisitions have been questionable (other then Crawford). Some would even argue that he got lucky that trade as Nelly was highly motivated to dump Crawford for anything.

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IF TMAC was on the hawks in his younger days i would say the hawks would have a shot at the title, because he was a superstar in his prime.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

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darrell starks

In what way is T-Mac a Winner?

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darrell starks

Even thought-Mac hasn’t won anything? He still could have helped the Hawks though. We still need more talent on our team and he does bring that.

We just can’t keep putting everybody down, where do the Hawks Basketball Arrogance come from? I just don’t get why no one is good enough for this org?

Go Figure!

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Rod,

Your zeal in bashing Marvin makes you completely blind.

Re-read my post: where do I defend Marvin over T-Mac? My post states that we have WAY BETTER solutions WITHIN our roster rather than signing T-Mac.

All-start nominations and scoring titles associated with ZERO playoff series wins = LOSER.

He NEVER GOT PAST THE FIRST ROUND!!!

T-Mac has been a perennial ISO player amassing stats whilst others amassed wins. BBall is a collective game, however, you seem to be fixated in stats, nominations, individual displays of athleticism and body balance.

FYI, I consider that Jamal’s addition to our roster last year had a negative effect. I love the guy. He seems an extremely nice kid and he is spectacular to watch but Woody messed up and used him too much and in ways that caused a lot of harm to us.

It would take too long to explain my point of view – which obviously could be wrong – however, since I know that you cannot get past the “he is not agreeing with me” barrier that you seem to have and that prevents you from even analyzing what other people write, I will not dwell on that subject.

Let’s speak again later in the year and see how many wins T-Mac will be bringing to the Pistons. Maybe he will make me eat my words, however, I very much doubt it.

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vava,

His stats were a byproduct of his complete dominance of the ball and his teams’ offense with very simple and clearcut results: .

Some people say the same thing about JJ and Woody’s ISO offense where he dominates the ball all the time.

I suggested signing TMac weeks ago, for 2 reasons.

1) Low risk, high reward. If he can get back to 75% of what he was, he would be great off the bench. If he excels, we can explore trade options for jamal or TMac in different packages at the deadline.

If he becomes a problem, for the vet minimum we can always cut him (Houston told him to stay away despite his huge contract). Keep in mind that we gave RandMo a 2 year guaranteed deal. For what? We bring cheesebureger Collins back, for what? Hoping he will keep the weight off and contribute?

2) Marketability. TMac was almost voted a starter to the ASG. Fans love the guy even though he sucked last year (coming back from injury).
Fans would come out to watch TMac, plus he still has a lot of asian fans from his days with Yao.

I’m with Najeh.

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Lorenzen Wright

I read a Memphis press release that Lorenzen’s Ex-Wife (Sherra) is a person of interest as I initially thought. “Follow the Money”. Speaking of money,
many of her neighbors claimed that Sherre allegedly had a habit of walking through the neighborhood yelling into her cell phone that she needed some money. Reportedly, she exhibited this behavior all too often.

The neighbors said this was a public nuisance to those who heard her constantly walking and screaming about how she needed this money.
My question is, with all those kids she had, why didn’t she go get a darned JOB!

I wonder if she was yelling this to Lorenzen, since he was obviously having financial problems. I guess we now know why he didn’t have any left.
I know he had 6 children to support along with the wife, himself , a Mother and only Lord knows how many other beggars.

Seems like athleþes who make it big are always burdened with taking care of a
dozen lazy family members.

No wonder Gerald Wilkins changed his phone number and told his Parents and ‘Nem to get a damned life. Dominque was the one who went broke trying to feed the hungry! Nique had a $3,000 unpaid grocery bill at the Krogers on Ponce de Leon here in Atlanta, from his Sister going in there and putting steaks and lobsters on his tab. The complaint was filed in a Fulton County Court back in the late 80’s (1989 I believe), and of course it was in the newspapers.
Gerald who played for the Knicks, commented that Nique would never learn to just say NO! Get a JOB people …

Go Figure!

RIP – Lorenzen.
(Its a damned shame to be shot 12 plus times – that was personal)

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@ drmaryb . . . yes, you can go. But EVERBODY tries to be sexy at that event. To the college girls to the 75 year old alumni ladies. So you gotta come correct at the Classic. Don’t let some 65 year old “out sexy” you.

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Northcyde,

Again I know you really wanted to do it, but posting a guys stats not even a year removed from microfracture surgery (I think), and trying use those stats to say that’s who he is, when it was only based on around 20 games might well be one of the worst stats you have ever posted on this blog. I respect you research skills, but you gets no love from me with that. (No Homo).

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Grandad – And the sky is lead. Care to give specifics instead of attacks?

On other subjects – wonder who that 13th player – the big will be? Any thoughts?

I’m warming up to a few of the names….Boone, Skinner, Thomas, maybe Elson, maybe a D-Leaguer like Aminu, Bonsu or Siler – let’s just start the season!

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NBA TV

Reggie Miller & D-Scott doing NBA Game Time tonight:
You guys really need to watch that. Reggie just broke down the
teams to beat out West and East.

The Hawks were not even a part of that discussion.
Of course, Reggie points out the Lakers as the team to beat – period!
Why? Because of experience and the upgrades of: Steve Blake and Matt Barnes.
He said you need defensive wings to stop LeBron and Wade.
The main reason he gave was the Huge Size of the front court!

Bynum, Gasol and Odom! You have to deal with their SIZE, Kobe – the best closer of our time and Dr. Phil.

OKC Thunder went and got real BIG up front after the 6 game first round battle with the Lakers – looks good to Reggie. He talked about Houston and PorÞland if the Centers are healthy – will be a huge problem.

The East coast is now balanced with power when you look at the
South Beach Crew and the Bulls are now dangerous with what the did:
Korver, Boozer, Noah and Rose with Thibbs!

Basically he said, No Size equals No Chance! Hawks never mentioned in that conversation. Boston will struggle until Perkins come back possibly in March!

Here’s My Point! We Shoulda’ paid Shaq the MLE, then we become part of the conversation in the circle of Champions! As we are? We scare no one,
not even a DEER in the headlights! Fear the Hawk? Not.

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O’brien..

how is that Esco trade looking now..

Gonzalez… 7 errors in 24 games..

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Drmaryb – I here ya’!

On T-Mac and Shaq – the Hawks could have had them if they wanted them.

Mo’ Evans and a 2nd pick to the Cavs for Shaq in S/T – Shaq gets the TPE – 2 yr. 4.3m

Sign T-Mac for the vet minimum to replace Mo’

Shaq gets what he wanted

Cavs get what they wanted – anything of value for Shaq – kinda like us with Chilz’

We save money (about $400,000.00)

And T-Mac comes off the bench behind Marv

We obviously didn’t want T-Mac or Shaq – if we did, it would have been a done deal.

Atlanta brass thinks Mo’ is a better all round than T’Mac (Locker room, injury risk, attitude risk, Defense etc.) evidently – maybe there are extenuating circumstances we don’t know about…

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And I would not count the Magic out of contention with the Heat in the playoff’s either.

Jameer is a better PG than anything the Heat can throw out there

Dwight and Gortat can eat the Heat up inside – and take away the lane from DWade and LeBron

And the Heat’s inside out game can wear down LeBron and Wade, making them work so hard on D, it affects their Offensive game.

I do think the Magic will miss not being able to throw Barnes and Petraus at LeBron.

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Another team I wouldn’t count out versus the Heat is the Suns – simply because of Chilz’ and Grant Hill, and their depth. The Suns 2nd team, great PG play, may be able to wear the Heat down.

The Bulls I’m a little less sold on – Rose and Noah will be effective, but i don’t see Korver, Deng, and Boozer matching up well with Wade, LeBron and Bosh.

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Rod’s comments toward me are . . . disappointing.

This is what I’m talking about folks. People on this board can have evidence right in their faces, but either refuse to believe it, or just dismiss it altogether, saying that it’s “false” or “misleading”.

Do I have to add in the fact that he’s been injury prone his entire career?

Do I have to add in the fact that while T-Mac’s career FG% is 43.5% . . he hasn’t shot that well since the 2002 – 03 season?

But as soon as I post something against Marvin . . it’s true?

But against T-Mac, it’s “oh he hasn’t had enough time to come back from injury?”

This is microfracture surgery we’re talking about Rod. The surgery that pretty much killed the career of the person most like T-Mac . . . Penny Hardaway. Maybe T-Mac can do like Penny did, and hang around the league for 5 years after his surgery, as a bench player.

But his days of being a productive starter are gone. And while Marvin may have his issues . . his issues are mental. T-Mac has mental AND physical issues.

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Northcyde – your quote speaks best to some on this message board

“This is what I’m talking about folks. People on this board can have evidence right in their faces, but either refuse to believe it, or just dismiss it altogether, saying that it’s “false” or “misleading”.

As a matter of fact, feel another attack coming on – I’m thinking about just posting from now on, and only answering objections generally instead of specifically – such a waste of time to get into childish catfights about a game.

i enjoy discussion, not illogical attacks that continue with very little or no basis of fact

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Northcyde I’m gonna hit the Magic City Classic this year. A year ago I was DJ’n at a spot called the Volcano that weekend.

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All the fine ones come down from Huntsville or random people
ASU = bustdowns

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Please…enough with all the T-MAC talk..He will not be playing with the Hawks..and thx goodness!!!

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northcyde,

So the evidence you posted concerning T-Mac from the 2010 season when he played a grand total of 24 games for the Knicks, and 6 games for the Rockets, all after coming back from Micro-fracture surgery in less than a year is what I’m supposed to agree with you on? This also is the same surgery that Amare and Kenyon Martin came back from. It took them a little more than a year to get somewhat back to normal. So I’m supposed to take your one year, 32 game stats as fact, and throw out the fact that a GM (Joe Dumars), who actually competed at the highest level, knows what it’s like to come back after a serious injury at the highest level, put together a team that won an NBA championship, works with professional NBA players everyday, and hears from them what a talented player McGrady was, was willing to take a chance on him for the vet minimum. Get real!! Wake up. Who crowned you king. The fact that you or Vava or anyone else even has the nerve to compare Marvin Williams in any way to T-Mac a 7 time all star is absurd. Marvin has never faced a double or triple team, he has never been a leader or the primary option on a team, he has never been one of the primary ball handlers, never been an all star, has never ever had any pressure on his back to make a play since he’s been a Hawk. I could care less what the stats say, there is no comparison of the players. What would T-Mac be able to do if he was on the floor with Jamal Crawford, Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Would he be able to knock down a wide open uncontested jump shot? Would T-Mac get his shot blocked one on one against Brandon Jennings? What about against Jameer Nelson?

The fact that you make statements about both guys physical and mental status, like you actually talk to them or know them makes it even worse. You have no idea what Marvin or T-Mac’s mental status is.

Also don’t make blanket statement about a guy being injury prone his ENTIRE career, and try to pass them off as truth. Entire means all. T-Mac has played in over 60 games 9 of his 14 seasons. That’s more than half his career he’s been out there. Should I take your word for that too. As I said before, your research skills are impressive, but don’t think that makes you above criticism if you post some BS.

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Also even though the original discussion was not if T-Mac would take Marvin’s starting job (which wouldn’t be that difficult), it was would you rather spend a million dollars on players like Cheesburger Collins, and Powell or take a chance on a player the caliber of T-Mac, and if T-Mac could help this team, I think Darrell Starks said it best.

“BUT WITH 1LEG I WOULD TAKE TMAC OVER THE DUCK.”

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@Reggie

I truly hear what u are saying but at the same time, that what makes that PRESSURE that much tougher. LeBron is putting ALL his apples in one barrel. If his plan doesnt come as his hoped, the WHOLE NBA..no stratch that, the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD would be laughing at him cause they already feel he should have stayed home and made it work for the CAVS. This 1st season has to be to the finals cause if they dont make it that far, all that confidence they had in the beginning, will start to disappear before they know it. Then they will start blaming each other for missed assignments, who should have shot the ball, who should have made the right pass, who should have boxed-out, and so on… Now dont get me wrong, they do look and sound like a POWER HOUSE TEAM, they just betta be that LAST TEAM STANDING come May 2011!!

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Like I said Rod

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5092348

Luckily for him, Detroit did have enough faith in him to bring him in. His game was so off last year, that even HE thought about calling it quits.

That’s why I said that he’s having issues physically AND mentally. That’s HIM saying it . . not me.

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Bailey … Bailey … Bailey!

That was a sick video clip man!
F u n n y – C r a z e e – S t u p i d

Go on man. ROF & LOL!

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Darrell: You might take T Mac but obviously no one else in the league would. T Mac had to persuade a team to pay him the league minimum.

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start JJ at the SF slot

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I agree with drmaryb(*_*): This is how a team can actually become successful without any intelligent planning or management.

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240lbs

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DRMARYB-I co-sign your assessment of JJ. He has the foot speed, size and strength to defend any SF. His combination of ball handling, passing, post up and penetrating skills would create a nightmare for any SF’s. I’d replace him at SG with Jordan Crawford. Look, if PPierce can play SF and be effective, JJ can be even more effective.

Where I’d depart from most would be in the player I’d choose to replace JJ at SG. I’d actually start rookie SG Jordan Crawford, and bring Marvin and JaCrawford off the bench.

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vava74

When JJ dries up and loses 20-30 lbs.? Get back to me.
Marvin is our SF, like it or not, then trade his butt for a better one.
We don’t need JJ to play “point forward” there is no such position – then, get a PG!

Again, this is the most dysfuntional rag-tag in the entire NBA.
No one has a role!

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TMac is done and he has not worked for this amount of $$ in a long time….it will show in his play this year. I’m not sure he plays 60 games. You might as well sign a Larry Hughes or AI if you want more production.
Right now, we don’t need another jump shooter. He might help sell a few tickets, like AI, but you don’t just bring him in for that. Shaq had more to offer in a severely weak position. He had near Al numbers for a team that was LeBron dominated. I thought he could bring 12/6.5 plus more. Trouble is the management group wants no controversy when promoting the core.
A few glue guys IMO that should be looked at:
Rodney Carney – has he signed?
Devean George
Trenton Hassell
DeShawn Stevenson – might be an overlap there
Damien Wilkins – can he still defend?
Marcus Williams – played behind Conley and Mayo last year….gives us some size at the 1.

Add Kwame or Admundsen to that list for backup post minutes and have a 15 man roster to work with. I would venture to think we won’t be as healthy as last year, and I see where there will be more bench minutes this year.

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JJ has short arms & is not athletic which is why he is not a SF. He tries to body up to effect his opponet. It works at SG where he is bigger but at SF he will just be whistled for the foul. He has no advantage at the SF spot.

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Also, the SF crop of this generation is insanely talented whereas the SG crop is just meh.

Do we really want JJ guarding Carmelo, Granger, Lebron, Durant, Pierce & getting hounded by Ron Artest – Shane Battier night in and night out?

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Hmmm……..dead on! E#2 isn’t here to be our defensive stopper.
It’s not happening, plain and simple.

This isn’t a 30 game season.

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We already have a commitee of scorers (Crawford x 2 , JJ, Marvin) Now we just need a commite of defenders (Josh, Al, and____) <<——any day now Rick.

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JoJo, That deal still looks good to me. Boris may not mind coming back now that Fidel Castro(Woodson) is gone. I should have figured the Bobcats would snatch up Sherron Collins (I said as much weeks ago). Indiana still needs a vet PG. It would be nice to jut dump him on them for some cash or picks.

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Why the Hawks want to sign guys for the vet min.?

You get a rebate from the league, depending on years of service – $365,000.00 or so for Jason Collins – $205,000.00 or so for Josh Powell.

These rebates are not supposed to count against the salary cap, but every cap figure I’ve seen for the Hawks include them.

The Hawks currently may have 3.25m in cap space instead of 2.7m.

What this all means is, that to sign Josh Boone for 1.5m instead of the vet min. of 1.1m for him, would in reality cost the Hawks their $200,000.00 rebate.

So this is why we’re fishing for vet. min. guys. If we sign someone for above that – Kwame or Boone for example – it’s because we really think they can help.

Elson, Skinner, Etan Thomas, Boone, Kwame – I think all are better than the RandMo I saw in Summer League.

So we’re looking at an upgrade at the 13th spot it looks like regardless of who we sign.

And who ever suggested signing Trey Gilder as a 14th wing – I cosign with that. Scouting reports say he has all the tools to be an NBA Starter – except absolutely no shot from any range basically.

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We can laugh and disrespect Sund all we want – and he did look like he did a terrible job to me in Seattle.

But here, underestimate him to your peril. the dude has us set up to make some nice moves nearing the trade deadline – if ASG sees we can make a run:

We have our MLE

We have our TPE

We have a 3.66m Trade exception

We will have some cap space left (probably).

2 expiring contracts to work with

A half of season or so to see if Marvin improves, stays the same or regresses in LD’s system.

And into the future – the guy has got us set up cap wise, regardless of what the “professional” class says on other media outlets.

For example – We lose Jamal and Mo’s contracts in time to re-sign Al Horford

We lose Bibby and ZaZa’s contracts in time to re-sign Josh Smith.

The dude is set up man….

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Boris make our defense strong.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

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SteveW,

the dude has us set up to make some nice moves nearing the trade deadline – if ASG sees we can make a run: .

I dont share the same confidence in the Hawks making a move later in the season. Plus we have to rely on if the ASG thinks we can make a run.

I have flashbacks of last year when Stackhouse was available, and our only bench scorer was Jamal, but Sund decided to sign Mario again.

I can understand if we have injuries, but all this talk about Chemistry and our core leads me to belive that they will not make a move.

I hope I’m wrong.

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Collin playing more min. will make this team better with size and him getting in 2 game shape, he will be the only player on this team who can gaurd dewight howard so it’s imperative we get him game ready.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

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Northcyde -I may have to check that MC Classic out. In your opinion is is better than the TSU FAMU weekend? No doubt man gotta keep your eyes on your own paper lol. Ive become a master at looking but not really looking.

Lebron is cryn about people taking shot…..Cry me a river queen james …The Heat are slowly becoming my most disliked team taking the spot of the Lakers its gonna be an intresting season…………Rise Up Falcons

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DRMARYB- I really think she had something to do with his murder. Hopefully they will find the killers and his family can has some closure. I would hv no problem sayn no to family. After Mom Dad Sister Neice/Nephew its a wrap. I wouldnt even want my name listed if i won the lottery.

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This is a very simple question regarding Jamal Crawford, if he is not retained, where will his 18 pts/gm comes from? If you say Jordon Crawford or J Teague, that’s the wrong answer.It would be a shame if Jamal gets the Flip Murray treatment but I wouldn’t be shocked if Sund went there. Worst still if Sund is unable or incapable of using Crawford expiring contract plus the TPE for something of value.

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And they use the 2nd half of the season to ease into LD’s system, and get ready for the playoffs.

Scenario’s at the trade deadline happen everywhere, like the above post: For example,

Say Pierce of Boston gets hurt and/or Garnett – and the C’s see they have not shot – don’t think they may not be willing to dump one of the O’Neal’s for a small price.

Or Granger gets disgruntled in Indy etc.

All I’m sayin’ is we’re set up – but Sund may never pull the trigger…

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SteveW

Copy that!

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“Running the cap numbers, I don’t see how we could sign him for over 3.5m per year and retain Al”

One scenario is to stagger AL’s deal in a way the gradually increase over time (like JJ’s deal) allowing Jamal to be paid more the first year. After the 1st year, Bibby salary drops off and everybody is happy.

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When JC1’s contract is up he and Al will have the opportunity to negotiate contracts with any team along with Mo. Who’s to say Horford doesn’t sign for Jamals money and JC1 signs for Horfords money? I can’t see Mo sticking around unless LD can really get him a spot in our system. Especially with all the talk of Sy and JC2 coming along. There just won’t be a spot for him.

What will JC1 command next summer if he puts up similar numbers but plays no D? MLE $$? More? Who’s to say we can’t sign him for less next summer? Does he want to stay in ATL and compete for a title?

Alot can happen. Nobody says JC1 has to go.

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Review of schedule shows we’re set up for failure within our own division. Of 16 games with division rivals (Orlando, Miami, Charlotte & Washington), schedule-makers have 9 of these slated as the 2nd game of a back-to-back for the Hawks, and for 6 of these crucial 9.we’re the away team on the 2nd night.

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If we resign JC1 to be the backup SG, who will probably get at least 20 mpg, then where will JC2 ever get minutes? Do we really expect our first round pick to be a third string SG, given the quality of SGs in front of him?

I dont think we bring Mo Evans back (Sund probably hoped he would not pick up his option). And with the new CBA next year, salaries will probably be reduced. So for Jamal to resign with the Hawks next off-season, he will have to take a big paycut.

And if he has a good year, a team could scoop him up to be their starting SG.

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Brief look at Hawks big man options:

Etan Thomas – 6-10 260 Brute – very good defender – just had a torn ACL, and before that open heart surgery – no offense

Brian Skinner – 6-9 260 – Very good man on man defender – may be the best natural shot blocker around – no offense

Josh Boone – 6-10 240 – Most scouts say, he is the best of what’s left – high energy, good rebounder, young – only 25 – no offense

Elson – 7-0 240 – High energy, good defender – no offense

Kwame Brown – 6-11 270 – Lean and athletic, has become a good defender – only 27

Elson, Skinner, and Thomas are all 32+

All probably better than RandMo at this point.

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Ken S…”what’s wrong with starting a rookie SG and a 2nd yr PG? They would certainly form one helluva defensive duo.”…you know that you have no evidence to suggest that these two guys can play d…wishful thinking…maybe you’re right, but to say that they will CERTAINLY be, is stepping out there.

O’Brien…”If we re-sign JC1 to be the backup SG, who will probably get at least 20 mpg, then where will JC2 ever get minutes?”…I’m still of the opinion that JC1, and maybe even JC2, can play backup PG. Why can’t they both lead the second unit at the 1 & 2 (Teague, JJ, JC1, JC2)? There are worse things than to have backup 6′4″ & 6′5″ combo guards with quickness & 3pt range on your bench.

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correction: is he that much better then Josh who isn’t under a Max contract.

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Northcyde,

You need to check South Carolina State University program out. They are not playing in any classics this year but they used to have the Georiga Dome rocking in the MEAC/SWAC challenges in years past. However, they will be playing GT this year on labor day weekend. For those who want to see a real band then you better make your way to GT stadium on labor day weekend b/c the two defending champions SCSU Bulldogs and their world famous “MARCHING 101 Band” will be invading ATL….

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Proposed deal, per Ford’s sources, would send Ariza to Hornets; Collison, Posey to Indy; Murphy to Nets; Courtney Lee to Rockets.

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Well Indiana just got there starting PG in Darren Collison. So, my trade of Teague, Marvin, and Zaza for Granger will not happen. Why does everyone seem to find a way to get what they need except for the Hawks?

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I.MUS.WRITE

What’s up baby boy! How you durin’? Good to see you drop in …
Man, you haven’t missed one darned thang!

-smiles-

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ESPN.com sources: Hornets and Raptors have also agreed to a separate trade that will send Julian Wright to Toronto for Marco Belinelli…

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Yuk Melvin, I don’t like Murphy, despite his numbers. I have yet to see him play on a winning team. I think he is a soft interior guy who wouldn’t help us much and we already have 3 PFs in place.
The deal for Collison was awesome for Indy. NO takes Posey off the books as well and Ariza is a very good all around player. Perhaps they have a replacement in mind.
O’Brien – I have little faith in Sund at this point in the offseason. He is going to have to make moves to improve this team, plain and simple. Let the ASG keep their cap strained opinion after what they screwed up on this offseason. I truly don’t see the flex you see in this roster to bring in someone and not go over the cap. I feel we are stuck with Marvin/Bibby/MO (who probably is on his last contract) and Zaza. These guys will have to over perform to help this team. Last year’s performances cannot be acceptable this year.
Either Al or Smoove has to be moved this season for any significant changes. I don’t see it happening. I see Sund holding his cards and watching the rest of the league make adjustments. If you were in the West, you are playing for no better than 2nd or 3rd outside the Lakers.
There seems to be IMO more opportunity in the East to improve your ranking and create havoc.
Ken S – and how far did Price and Harper get in the playoffs with Lenny?
I guess they won a 2nd round playoff game or 2…is that what you are trying to get to..another small step forward?
Who was in place when Price and Harper came in? Looks to me like they swapped out World B Free and Johnny Davis, who were pretty good players.
But, did they have the 6MOY sitting on the bench who I am sure would rather start?
Did they have a winning record the year before? Nope-36-46 and they needed a change. Not the same scenario. Lenny Wilkens wasn’t on his 1st HC gig at any level either.
They did improve but they still hit a ceiling short of the Finals.
Is that what you would be satisfied with here? Put in JC2 because you see him as a solid starter for the next decade? E#2 will be the SG for the next 6 years…I don’t see us going smaller on the frontline.

JC2 and Teague with E#2 on the perimeter……………okay………so you just wanna tell the current core they are being demoted? I doubt it. You can’t be messing with the feelings of the core.

We have a management team here that does very little to excite the fan base…and it continues again this offseason. They fire Woody 2 years after seeing the same thing over and over.
If LD is the answer, I will be glad to see it. But I can speak for many who know that this was a cheap move.
I have seen this movie already……Loughery/Weiss/Kruger/Stotts/Woody…..yuk again!

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I hate to continue to pounce, but I must tell The Truth:

We are in the mist of some serious hoodwinking. If you read the Hawks inactions, it would read like this:

The 2010 Eastern Conference Champion Atlanta Hawks just missed winning the NBA Title as they made a valiant effort but came up short in game 7 in overtime as they lost against the defending Champion LA Lakers with a final score 131-130. Joe Johnson led all scores with 50 points but lost his energy in the end. Al Hordford had a monster game with 30 rebounds allowed by Josh 20 rebounds. It is obvious that they defended the lanes well. The Lakers frontline was no match against the brutes of the Hawks. Clearly they don’t needed any added frontline help this off-season. All this team really needs this off-season is additional SG’s to help support Joe Johnson though he played like a hall a fame superstar and clearly deserve a Max Contract. Other then additional SGs and keeping the same roster intact, this team will definitely return to the finals next and surely win the title.

DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS TEAM AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED?

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@ I.MUS WRITE . . . It’s different. I can’t necessarily say it’s “better”.

TSU – FAMU Weekend is more corporate backed, so you’ll see more of a corporate influence at that game in and around the arena. And Legion Field in B-Ham is NOT the Georgia Dome. Whatever elements are going on outside, you have to deal with. And the women definitely do their thing at the ATL game. Might as well be at a fashion show. Much more eye candy in ATL.

To me, TSU – FAMU is just as much about seeing the bands at halftime, than it is about actually seeing the football game. It’s an event, with the actual football game being secondary.

The Alabama St – Alabama A&M game in Birmingham at the Magic City Classic, is more about the actual game. The fans of each side truly want to beat each other. You KNOW you’re at a football game at that event.

From a party standpoint, I find myself paying inflated prices securing a hotel room and trying to go to a party, a comedy show, or a concert, simply because they know a lot of “out of towners” are going to be in ATL. You won’t see that in Birmingham. The tailgating is much better at the Birmingham event. The women, while maybe not quite as “runway ready”, are still sexy and much more friendly in Alabama. A wider range of parties in my opinion too, from college age to old school.

I try my best to hit up both of those events.

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Wrong blog, but Rick Ankiel SUX. Horrible pickup for the Braves.

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northcyde

You sound like my kind of people. You just got me in the mood for some HBCU Football. We might get more enjoyment watching and talking about those games then these Hawks. Maybe, may be not, we shall see

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“Why is he even the GM if he has no power”? Ask the ASG,not me. BK went throught the same thing. Where ya been?

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Shadow – Boxing!

Aye … You fellas better stop shadow-boxing with NorthCyde!
He’s a bad man … He gone’ knock yall out! Don’t make my man kill yall with them killer stats and facts! Yall, gone’ need. A respirator! And some life – support!

Dang Cyde!
Man, you got me thinking ’bout my out-fit for the Magic City Classic!
And the FAMU drum roll at the Ga. Dome! I better get my paper right, so I
can roll out and party.

Them Hawls? Go Figure.

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northcyde
you have always been in love with bibby,jj & woody always hated teague & jc. show a lot of crappy stats. talk about sexy women. you must be 16 still in lust. you once said that i was 16. ha,ha,ha

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Let’s try that again…..

As highly as I think of Al Horford, he has not come close to showing he is worth Max money. Of course, neither is JJ, btw, but his circumstances were FAR different than Al’s.

If Horford suddenly blossoms into an ALL-NBA player, I’d change my mind. Which would be great, but totally unexpected, even as highly as I think of him.

To me, Horford has HUGE “intangibles” in his game, and THAT is what separates him from the other young centers in the league.

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why would the schedule be so important?

Gotta remember facing Boston and Orlando back to back………twice one week and then the next week. That’s why the schedule is important.

It’s one thing to be wrong…but it’s another thing to be wrong and be glib about it. Shaq is now too old to be what the Hawks need, an energetic, consistent, running, living, breathing competitor night in and night out.

To suggest that Shaq should be brought in because he is “marketable” skirts the point. “Marketable” to the fuzzy-headed Atlanta fans doesn’t equate to winning. To me, winning is marketing, not signing injury prone Shrek 4 or whatever the big nutcase is calling himself these days.

And then to pass that off as reality.

Northclyde…you could write some of Obama’s sound bites. Then you’d be a one term blogger.

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