Atlanta Hawks: No Shaq . . . now what?
With Shaq off to Boston here’s a quick epilogue as it relates to the Hawks:
I’ve been told that Atlanta wouldn’t budge on giving Shaq a starting nod over Al, who is after all still only 24-years old and an All-Star. Shaq believes he will get the starting nod over Jermaine O’Neal in Boston as Kendrick Perkins rehabs from his knee injury.
Atlanta also wasn’t willing to pay Shaq more than the minimum and that was a sticking point for him. He didn’t want to sign for the minimum when the Hawks had their bi-annual and mid-level exceptions available because of the perception that would create–as in the Hawks could have paid him more but didn’t. That’s not the case with Boston, which had neither of those exceptions and so could only give him the minimum.
The big guy still has his pride.
The Hawks thought Shaq could help them and would be a good risk at the minimum salary despite his history of negatively effecting locker rooms and tending not to respect coaches who aren’t Phil Jackson or Pat Riley. It could have been a potential headache for L.D., who already has a lot to deal with in his first gig as a head coach.
So that’s that. . . .
The Hawks still are in the market for a center (I’ve still heard nothing to indicate they are seeking a wing) and they have veterans Francisco Elson, Brian Skinner and Josh Boone on their radar. Not so much Kwame Brown, who is thought to still be seeking a deal for more than the vet minimum.
Beyond those options, I also could see the Hawks waiting to see if any centers shake free as teams buy out vets when training camps open. They also might consider bringing some young center prospects to camp and give them a month to earn the 13th roster spot. There is some interest in Garrett Siler but he’s got a lot to prove after a bad showing at Summer League.
There’s still about two months until camp opens so there’s still time for moves to be made. But that 13th roster spot will remain open for now.
– Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft has emerged as an early candidate to become Denver’s top basketball executive. Pendergraft also is one of several candidates for Phoenix’s GM job.
The Nuggets let go of VP of basketball ops Mark Warkentein earlier this week.
MC
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Rod from College Park
August 6th, 2010
7:44 pm
“I don’t see a single Eastern Conference team that has improved enough to unseat the Hawks as the 3rd seed. And depending how long it takes for LDrews OFF/DEF systems to become 2nd nature to our players, and the success or failures of Miami, we have the talent and ability to give Orlando, Boston and Miami a run for the top seed.”
I do. I see 2 or 3.
KONCAK
August 6th, 2010
7:49 pm
WHAT ABOUT ME !!!
TREE ROLLINS
August 6th, 2010
7:50 pm
WHAT ABOUT ME !!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
August 6th, 2010
7:54 pm
“Wanna see an interesting stat? Go to 82games.com and click on the Hawks link. On the very 1st page, you’ll see everyone on our roster listed. Look in the +/- column. While Horford had the highest on court +/- number, guess who was 2nd?
Mike Bibby”
Those stats are interesting, I guess, but I really don’t have any idea what they mean (nor is there any clear explanation posted anywhere). Why is Bibby 5th on the team in “simple rating”? For that matter, what the hell IS “simple rating” and why are the players sorted by that stat? How different would that net +/- have been for Bibby if the guy who played PG when he left the game (more often than not Crawford) was actually a PG? If Bibby is so important, why is he -2.7 in net PER?
The net points stat you cite seems to be more of a reflection of Bibby playing with the starters than Bibby being a good player. If you go to other teams’ pages, it seems like every team’s starters are in the plus and every team’s bench players are in the minus in that column. All I can tell from that website is that Horford, Smoove, and Joe are the Hawks’ best players, and to be honest I could have figured that out without a bunch of random-azz stats.
ant banks
August 6th, 2010
8:05 pm
you all thought was a dumb organization. the knicks have us beat….THEY JUST REHIRED ISIAH THOMAS BACK. LOL
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5442858
cdog
August 6th, 2010
8:16 pm
you can throw names around all you want to, as long as the hawks have rick sund in charge they won’t go no where.listen at what he says,he’s trying to follow like detroit and san antonio.shows you he doesn’t know any basketball himself.danny ainge is not copying other teams.he knows basketball and personnel.sund knows neither so how can he mold a team when he don’t know the game? i feel sorry for all of you loyal hawks fans.its going to be a long season with rick sund in charge and trying to lead the way, thats very funny.
drmaryb (*_*)
August 6th, 2010
8:17 pm
Big Ump
I was bumming all night and day because I didn’t think you were gonna’
accept my sincerest and heartfelt apology.
But, I just read your reply and now all is right with the world again.
I didn’t meant to hurt you and I promise you that i won’t let
T.S. come between us ever again. Never mind him!
Did you know that Astro Joe was a famous musician also. Yeah, he played
with “Shalamar” (aye … Astro – am I right?). You should blog him on that.
I got some roots from: Kingstree & Greelyville, SC the home of the late
Teddy Pendergrass. My Grandparents know his people but I’m too young.
My Mother (RIP) was from Florence, SC and we got people from Darlington, SC who go to Al Green’s Church. I guess he is still the Pastor, not sure.
Me, I have no musical talent, but my went to The Bavard School of
music, she sang soprano and was awesome. Her favorite song was:
“Summer Time”.
“And, that’s all I got to say about that” – Forrest Gump -
Well, the Hawks are in a holding pattern … So, like the “Rev in Tampa”
always say …. Patience my Dear. But, aye. … I’m still gonna give the
ASKG (Atlanta Spirit-Killers Group) all the business I got! And, I’m
gonna’ hit em’ in the eyeballs with: fire, passion and truth!
Because, one thing drmaryb is gonna’ always do?
I’m gonna’ keep it real! -smiles-
Hey, you have done and are doing some awesome things yourself!
Being a great Husband and Father is the MOST IMPORTANT job in the entire World! And, don’t you forget that. That’s the backbone of the American Dream and more importantly, it is “God’s Will!”
drmaryb (*_*)
August 6th, 2010
8:29 pm
Big Ump
*but my Mom went to The Bavard-sp School of Music…
(I play a little piano myself … took lessons for 12 years as a kid and can read notes.)
cp
August 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
Thank you Najeh Davenpoop .
northcyde
August 6th, 2010
8:35 pm
6) Mo Evans’ decline was because of Mo Evans. And his decine actually started in the 08 – 09 playoffs. If you’re a jumpshooter, and you stop making shots, should the coach keep playing you?
But blame the former coach for that. Also blame the former coach for Mo’s defense falling off, and that brick lay-up he shot in that Orlando playoff game.
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7) Like with Marvin and Mo, it’s so easy to blame the former coach, than to actually blame the player I see. Every Hawk fan knows that Zaza played like crap until about the final 2 months of the season.
Hoopsstats.com. ranked Zaza 61st last year in efficiency amongst all centers. 61st. That means that almost all 2nd string centers were better than Zaza. The Hall of Famer that just signed with Boston ranked 25th, by the way.
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Mr. Gearon suggests that the former coach used him wrong. LOL . . how do you use a useless player wrong? That dude does nothing tangible, but pick up fouls, and occasionally sets a decent screen. Why bring back a guy who is worthless and out of shape, and try to sell to the fan base that he can help us?
As for Powell, this will be Powell’s 6th team in 6 years. He has been a fringe player everywhere he’s gone. So is he expected to be a frontline player in our 2nd unit? Or would we be better off rotating Horford and Marvin at backup PF?
Powell isn’t “below gargabe” like Collins is, but he IS garbage.
LOL @ me typing all of this crap on my phone. And I still have to address his other 3 points.
drmaryb (*_*)
August 6th, 2010
8:37 pm
Najeh
Question: what player(s) remind you of Dominque Wilkins of our era?
Any thoughts on why he was snubbed from:
The 50 Greatest NBA Players List?
And, how did Lenny Wilkens and Scottie Pippen get on that list?
And, if Nique doesn’t deserve to be on that list? – How is he a first Ballot HOF Player.
And, why did Shaq make the “50 List” So early in his career as a player who had not won anything at that point of his young career?
I would be very interested in your thoughts on this/these topics?
In advance, Thank You for your responses – Sir.
Melvin
August 6th, 2010
9:46 pm
Yall wanted a backup SF where it may be in the works…
http://thehoopsmarket.blogspot.com/2010/08/atlanta-hawks-in-talks-to-bring-pape-sy.html?%20utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheHoopsMarket+(The+Hoops+Market)&utm_content=Google+Reader
niremetal
August 6th, 2010
9:53 pm
If they sign Pape Sy, I’m gonna frickin go postal.
Macaroni Tony
August 6th, 2010
9:59 pm
@niremetal
Why would you go postal if the Hawks bring over Pape Sy? He’s not the worse player in the league and he’ll get some minutes so he can get a jump over next year.
O'Brien
August 6th, 2010
10:04 pm
Northcyde,
I agree that mo Evans struggled last year. But to be fair, he is a 6′5″ backup SG who was forced to play backup SF.
There is no excuse for him not making shots, but if he played backup SG, I think his numbers would have been much better.
Nire,
You’re not a fan of pape sy being the 13th Guy? I’m curious to hear your reasoning. .
Najeh Davenpoop
August 6th, 2010
10:06 pm
Yeah, the only opposition to Pape Sy I have is that the Hawks would have to pay a buyout to his French team to bring him here, and it would be highly hypocritical of them to pay a buyout to a European team for a guy of Sy’s caliber if they won’t go over the luxury tax for a guy of Shaq’s caliber. Disregarding the buyout, I’m all for bringing Sy here.
Macaroni Tony
August 6th, 2010
10:08 pm
O’Brien
I agree with you big time. What I say from Pape Sy in the summer league wasn’t bad in fact if he didn’t have problems out of his leg he couldn’t showed us more.
Melvin
August 6th, 2010
10:08 pm
Papa didn’t look that bad in summer leagues. I prefer him over Mario West…
Melvin
August 6th, 2010
10:16 pm
Revised. I thought Pape didn’t look bad in summer leagues play. He look to have NBA talent unlike Mario West. I would prefer to bring Pape over and let him develop with the real possibility of playing mins at backup SF versus the Hawks signing some stuff washup big to the 13th spot.
Pape would probably make the league min for a rookie and the Hawks would still have around 2mil before going over the Luxury Tax…. Kwame Brown come on down….
Najeh Davenpoop
August 6th, 2010
10:29 pm
drmaryb, I’m not old enough to remember most of the players on the “50 Greatest” list — I was in elementary school when Nique was traded to the Clippers — so my opinion on that probably wouldn’t be all that relevant. If I had to guess why he was left off, it’s probably because he seems to be viewed the same way players like Tracy McGrady are viewed today, as a great individual player who didn’t have what it took to turn a team into a consistent winner in the playoffs. I have no idea to what extent that perception is true, and why players like Charles Barkley (who did make the list) are not viewed that way, but it is what it is.
KevinM
August 6th, 2010
10:30 pm
Get Sy in here just in case Marvin isn’t in final contract year shape? I am all for bringing in the draft picks we select. Apparently, Sy won’t negatively impact the core which is what scared the ASG…they didn’t want to deal with The Big Ego.
It will definitely not be an expensive move; we know how this group operates.
Kudos to Melvin on a nice find…..probably assures us of having Zaza and Collins getting all the minutes behind Al.
Probably should have sent the ASG to fix the oil spill…they know how to keep things under the cap!
Big Ump.
August 6th, 2010
10:37 pm
Astro Joe
What years were you with Shalamar.?. 9 times out of ten we have met in the past. Astro Joe I still do some work for Gold Key Entertainment Inc. Do you remember Mr Charles Geer who were the Regional Promotion Directory for Atlantic Records?. He the CEO for Gold Key and doing Independent Radio Promotions. We just gave Mr Geer a tribute at the Backstage Lounge which is owned by Frakie Beverly and his manager Joe. a week before the 4th of July. I think drmaryb pulling our legs about she don’t have music talent? Right drmaryb (smile). Astro Joe would love to chat with you sometimes about your stint with Shalamar. What Jody doing now? Is she overseas performing, because that’s where the big money is for us old school musicans.
Rod from College Park
August 6th, 2010
10:45 pm
nothcyde,
“5) I tell ya. Marvin has to be the most criticized and most coddled athlete in Atlanta sports history.
Marvin missing wide open 21 footers when he DID get the ball passed to him IS his fault. Marvin staying in the corner even when a shot goes up IS his fault. Marvin not being a more consistent rebounder IS his fault. Marvin not being more aggressive, even when the former coach literaly begged him to be, IS his fault. Marvin letting people come in here and take playing time away from him IS his fault.
And I’m not a Marvin basher. But I’m not blind either. When you look up the word “average” in the dictionary, you’ll see a pic of Marvin. And I don’t mean that as a diss . . it’s simply the truth.
There is no “I want to be a star” type passion that you see in Marvin, unlike Horford and Smoove. He’s perfectly content with being our version of Tyrone Corbin, instead of wanting to be Dominique.
So blame the former coach for Marvin not reaching his potential, just like you blame the former coach for every other bad thing concerning the Hawks. Just understand that sometimes . . . it’s on the player.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Don’t disrespect Tyrone Corbin like that though. He could play defense, did hustle, could knock down an open jumper and would not fall going to the hoop. He also got the most out of his abilities.
northcyde
August 6th, 2010
10:50 pm
9) IF i had to give out grades for each post game, Smoove would get a C+ . . . Horford a C.
Smoove was probably a D when he first came into the league, but he showed some decent moves this year. The running left hook seems to be one of his favorite shots in the post. Smoove’s main problem is that he’s still not making his move forceful enough.
Horford likes to shoot the jump hook. He’s definitely putting in work trying to develop it, but we all know what the problem is. He’s too small in the most vs most centers.
Both guys are best when they are 15 ft from the basket, and can face their man. Smoove, when he’s not jumpshot happy, will use his speed to take his man off the dribble. Horford will size his man up, and take the 15 – 18 foot jumper.
Horford obviously needs more touches. He’s more efficient scoring the ball than Smoove. And that midrange jumper of his could enable him to up his scoring average significantly, if Drew’s offense gets him a ton of open looks.
Both guys rely heavily on others to set up their shots. Creating their own shots are not their strengths.
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10) The “Death of ISO” is going to be dependent upon how well the other players look in the new offense. As I said a few weeks ago, the two numbers to watch, are the eFG% and the Turnover%.
If the eFG% goes up, and the Turnover value stays close to the same or up just a little, then Drew’s offense is working. But if that eFG% goes down, and the turnovers go up . . Houston, we have a problem.
And once again, I think the lack of a consistent threat on the inside may be the problem. In this league, you almost have to be able to play inside-out basketball, in order to advance deep in the playoffs. We’ll be able to get away without doing it during the regular season, but not in the playoffs.
But we have to knock down open jumpshots in order to make that work. And once we see Drew’s offense, I’m sure it will create more opportunities to get open jumpers, than it will lay-ups at the basket.
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11) Which brings me to Mr. Johnson. I’m a JJ supporter, and he’s easily my favorite player. I love how smooth and under control his game is. Having said that, there are no more excuses for him either.
“With great contract comes great responsibility.”
JJ doesn’t have to average 30 ppg . . . but if his trips to the FT line don’t increase, he better be looking to become a 48% – 50% shooter from the field and a 40% 3-point range shooter.
10 – 19 FG nights need to become the norm for him, rather than the exception. Let’s see if the new magical offense can see that it happens more regular.
Even if it doesn’t, it’s still up to him to not let us go out like suckas. And that means no 4 – 15 FG games in the playoffs either.
Personally, if Drew’s new offense does work, I don’t think it will help everybody, but it definitely may help JJ
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
10:55 pm
As a low 2nd round pick – Pape would be by far the lowest cost #13 guy, assuming we wouldn’t have to pay much of a buyout.
Scenarios:
1) Sy comes in for 13th spot
or
2) I smell a trade coming, that involves one or some combination of Jamal, Mo’, and/or Bibby. Sy can play 1-3 they say.
3) We’re going to carry 14 or 15 guys since we are so low under the salary cap – 2.7m – Sy may cost $700,000 – A $200,000 buyout and about a 500,000 salary.
4) We get Sy some D-League experience
Mo’ is most likely gone next year – looks like Sy may be the replacement.
And I think management may hope Jordan Crawford develops enough, or shows enough, that he can be Jamal’s replacement. We gotta re-sign Al.
Also, this repeated refrain – we sold the #31 pick to pay for JJ’s salary. Man, his salary is only #16 in the league this year. It’s only outrageous because as JJ ages, the contract goes up. About 15.8 m this year – to 24.8m in year 6 – when JJ is 34.
JJ doesn’t have a terrible contract however. Kobe – 24.8m this year at 32 years old – not bad
25.2m – at 33 – may still be worth it
27.8m at 34 – hmm…
30.4m at age 35 – terrible – as much as I like Kobe – bad deal.
Dirk – 20m at age 35 and 36 – bad deal…..probably
So Joe’s not looking that bad to me – and I think he’ll age well – only 29 this season – 34 at the end of the contract.
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:01 pm
We may also be getting Sy for locker room harmony:
We sign Boone – Powell liable to get mad
We sign Kwame – Collins liable to get mad
And since we can only activate 13 per nite – who do we de-activate in the above scenario – Kwame/Boone, Collins, and JoCrawford on a rotating basis?
Man get Garret Siler as well – MC said he did badly in summer league – but some NBA types were very high on him from summer league – 75% FG – high rebounding rate per minutes played.
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:02 pm
Activate 12 per nite -my bad
And JJ makes 16.3 m this season, not 15.8 – my bad again
Hawk Fan in La La Land...
August 6th, 2010
11:03 pm
Since the hawks missed on the centers this offseason I think its time to start looking trade. Here is the best i can come up with; Jamal Crawford has an expiring contract next summer and is probably not in the long term plans, so how about trading him now for Anderson Varejao. Clevelend needs to somehow replace LeBron’s points and Jamal can give you 30 on many of nights. Varejao would be an excellent fit with Al, much like Noah from the U of Fla days and would play D and hustle. Their salaries are very similar and I think it instantly makes the hawks as good as anyone in the East. Move Josh to the 3 and tell him to slash and pass with the occaisional mid range jumper, and I would love to see him matched against Bron and Paul Pierce. Marvin can replace Jamal as the 6th man. As currently constructed the Hawks are the 5-6th best team in th East and will probably not make it out the first round
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:08 pm
Man – Dirks actually going to be making 22m + at age 36
Paul Peirce over 16m at age 35, over 15m at age 36
JJ ain’t that far out of line – 23.1m at age 33, 24.894m at age 34 – contract ends.
Shaq was pullin’ down over 20m as a 38 year old aging center, playing less than half a game last year. Just sayin’, that’s all…
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:12 pm
And Rashard Lewis is owed over 65 million dollars over the next 3 years – at age 31, 32, 33 – talk about a bad contract!
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:20 pm
And let me remind you – Amare “microfracture” Stoudamire is going to be pulling down a cool 100m or so over the next 5 years. Not making fun of his injury – just trying to show a point. I don’t think that JJ’s contract was the the worst contract signed this year.
Hoopinion says that Josh Smith was the 7th best value player in the NBA last year – Horford was 16th.
JJ, Josh, Horford, with maybe lesser roles to Teague, Marvin, ZaZa, and we’ll see about JoCrawford – solid nucleus for years to come.
And we definetly did not kill ourselves with future cap space (if the new CBA is similar to this one) by signing JJ – keep the core together, hope Teague and Marvin develop – draft well – and fill out the roster with quality vets at low price (Sund is very good at that) – and we’re set for a looooong time.
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:22 pm
Nire – I agree that if Jason Collins gets in the best shape of his life – he can defend Dwight fairly well. Big body and smart (Stanford man).
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:24 pm
And can somebody tell me why the AJC ran some article on Collins this past season, saying he was such an inspiration to the younger players, because he kept himself in shape even when not playing – running before games just in case etc?
Then we find out he was horribly fat – was that bad reporting by the AJC or what – or did I miss something?
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:28 pm
Sorry I’m on a roll on bad contracts – I’m a math guy – But Mike Miller is going to making 7 m per at age 35 with the Heat?
Haslem is going to be making around that as well
Carlos – oft injured/poor defense – Boozer is going to be making 16.8m at age 33? I smell a terrible contract there
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:34 pm
Okafor is going to be making 14.5m – 4years from now? His contract is up there with Brendan Haywood for being bad.
And I’m leaving Washington alone with the Gilbert Arenas contract….he’s going to be owed 22.3m per year – 4years from now! Need I say more?
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:36 pm
Elton Brand due 18.3m – in 3 years at age 34?
And I’m only doing long term bad contracts – not 1 year bad like Redd and Stojavic etc.
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:40 pm
Manu Ginobli – 14.1m at age 35 in 3 years? Yuck – great guy back in the day – but can you say aging…
Drew Gooden – 5yrs – 32m? Yuck again
cp
August 6th, 2010
11:41 pm
I don’t think its a bad move at all to bring Sy over. I liked what I saw out of him during the summer league before he got hurt. He looks like he can play about 3 positions. I say bring him over.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 6th, 2010
11:41 pm
“We sign Boone – Powell liable to get mad
We sign Kwame – Collins liable to get mad”
LMAO at this… Collins and Powell should be happy they are not in the D-League.
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:44 pm
Can you say Hedo Turkoglo due 14.1m in 3 years at age 34?
And I’m leaving out alot of marginally bad contracts..
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:44 pm
Najeh – I agree wholeheartedly
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:49 pm
And you talk about eating up cap space – the Big Three in Miami may look like bargains now – and they’ll still be bargains next year.
But after that, Wade starts to get old, then Bosh, and their trapped with Miller and Haslem for the next 5 years – so if a Bosh goes down, they have no cap space to get anybody else.
And if Bynum’s healthy, i don’t think they win a Championship this year or next. Can you imagine Artest and Barnes harassing LeBron all game? Kobe on D-Wade? Gasol/Odom eat Bosh’s lunch – and they have no answer for Bynum in the middle.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 6th, 2010
11:52 pm
“Jamal Crawford has an expiring contract next summer and is probably not in the long term plans, so how about trading him now for Anderson Varejao. ”
This is not a bad deal at all. The only downside is that Varejao has three years left on his deal after this one, but he gets paid a reasonable value for a guy with his athleticism and defensive ability at center, so I don’t think that’s a big deal. And better yet for the Hawks, the Cavs would have to throw in another player to make the deal work; if they threw in someone like Anthony Parker who could provide perimeter defense and shooting to compensate for Crawford’s loss, that would be terrific for the Hawks.
The Cavs have been overvaluing Varejao for a couple of years now (according to the trade rumors anyway) so who knows if they will be OK with that, but as far as value it’s a fair deal.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 6th, 2010
11:53 pm
I also meant to add that I wouldn’t start Varejao; I’d prefer to bring him off the bench similar to how the Cavs have been doing, and give him more playing time when the Hawks face off against bigger opponents. Smoove at the 3 is not a good idea.
SteveW
August 6th, 2010
11:57 pm
Talk about eating cap space – the Bulls are going to owe Deng 14.3 mill. in 4 years – the same year their going to owe Boozer 15.3 mill (and a year after that at 16.8m).
And they have to sign Rose, Noah and Gibson.
And they don’t want to go into luxury tax territory.
Ouch!
SteveW
August 7th, 2010
12:00 am
Ok – almost done – Andrei Kirelenko is going to make 17.8 mill. this year? And we complain about Joe – making 16.3m this year? End of story
SteveW
August 7th, 2010
12:02 am
Smoove at the 3 is a bad idea.
I like Varajeo also – doubt it will happen…
Najeh Davenpoop
August 7th, 2010
12:03 am
SteveW — agree completely with all those points. The word “overpaid” is all relative, and while a max deal for Joe may be more than he deserves, he’s only one of many players getting paid like they are better than they actually are. Like I’ve said before, Joe may be getting paid like someone he’s not, but he’s still a top 25 player who has proven he can be the best player on a 50-win team. What’s holding the Hawks back salary-wise is Marvin, Bibby, and Zaza, not Joe.
Grandad
August 7th, 2010
12:43 am
Najeh
I actually thought my Varejao trade scenario today @ 5:36 pm
was better. Plus the #’s were matched per tr. machine.
[2 ways]
I don’t understand the ease with which folks are willin’ to get rid of Jamal.
Rod from College Park
I’ve not so much come around to your point of view,
but, I will acknowledge Josh is a better athlete.
I’ve always thought Josh was a more important player
for us and admittedly a better player than Marv.
I still contend that Marv has been out of position
both offensively & defensively under previous coach.
He is alternately *overrated defensively yet underutilized
on offense. *On def I don’t think he has the proper lateral
agility to play the [3]. He does have the length & lower body
strength to defend the [4]. (& some [5's]) I still like Marv
but feel he will forever be burdened by being drafted ahead of
Paul & Williams. A change of scenery helps both himself + Hawks.
As far as coming around, I suppose the gap has narrowed,
are you willing to meet me half way?
Grandad
August 7th, 2010
12:49 am
SteveW
“Smoove at the 3 is a bad idea.”
Can you explain this rationale?