Atlanta Hawks: Front-office guys Pendergraft (Suns) and Rosenberry (Blazers) in demand

Assorted notes for the slow part of summer . . .

Pendergraft, Sund's right-hand man, is in play for Suns' GM gig.

Pendergraft, Sund's right-hand man, is in play for Suns' GM gig.

– Word is Dave Pendergraft, Atlanta’s assistant general manager, is a candidate for Phoenix’s GM job under Lon Babby. And Steve Rosenberry, Atlanta’s director of pro personnel/college scouting, is expected to join Portland’s staff, where GM Rich Cho is looking for assistants.

Rick Sund confirmed the interest in both guys today.

“I see that as a positive,” he said. “As our team is getting good, other teams are after our executives. Steve and Dave have done a great job in their roles here.”

– It’s possible the Hawks will take 12 players to training camp. The Hawks are being patient, which is their M.O. under Sund, so I could see them letting guys fight for that final spot in camp instead of signing a guy now and being locked into that roster. A trade for a center also isn’t out of the question, but considering their reluctance to break up the “core” it means a major deal isn’t in the plans.

– It’s come to this for Shaq: Go on a medicore late-night show and sell yourself to teams. While on Jimmy Kimmel’s show to promote his reality television show, Shaq gave a shout out to the Celtics.

I think everyone knows Shaq is the best available center but he’s basically contracted his market in half with his baggage and money demands. Miami, Orlando, or the Lakers are out of the question. That leaves Dallas, Denver, Phoenix, Atlanta and Boston from among the teams likely to finish in the top eight (swap in San Antonio if you prefer).

NBA.com’s David Aldridge thinks Denver, size-deficient like the Hawks, could be a good fit for Diesel. He also says Shaq “would likely be a better fit with a veteran team that wouldn’t put up with any nonsense.” I agree, and the Hawks still are not that team.

– Maybe Shaq really is chasing the money. In his mailbag, the Plan Dealer’s Brian Windhorst says there’s something to those Shaq-to-Europe rumblings. But he also leaves open the possibility of Cleveland re-signing Shaq for up to $7 million and later trading him to a contender “desperate to match up with the Lakers or Magic.”

I suppose that would include Atlanta since getting a fourth center apparently trumps adding a second real wing.

– I hear some of you calling for a defensive-minded wing, and I hear you on that. For all the hand-wringing about center, L.D. will have some options in his frontcourt with combinations featuring Al, Josh, Zaza, Powell and Collins. But on the wing he’s looking at Marvin, J.J. and Mo. That’s, in order, a some-timey starter, a guy already doing heavy lifting at shooting guard and a guard who seemed to lose his jumper late last season playing forward.

Yet whenever I bring up Atlanta’s need for a wing, I’m always told the team feels set there and is focused on adding another 5. So I won’t waste time making a case for why a guy like Rodney Carney might be a good, cheap pick-up because he fills a need and actually might play significant minutes.

– L.D. plans to play a “big” rotation against big opponents. Woody was reluctant to play Zaza and Al together but L.D. apparently is willing to do so while also regularly including Collins in that “big” rotation instead of keeping him planted on the bench. The Hawks believe that possibility has Twin motivated for next season.

This also seems to indicate that L.D. will loosen up Woody’s typically-tight rotation.

MC

141 comments Add your comment

Rev in Tampa

August 3rd, 2010
4:33 pm

Don in ATL

August 3rd, 2010
4:45 pm

Second? Who cares….

dap01

August 3rd, 2010
4:46 pm

Good info, MC. Glad you are back.

What centers are still out there?

Fundamentals

August 3rd, 2010
4:53 pm

I agree MC we need a SF who can rebound & defend as well as hit a quality jumper. C is a definite need. Why can’t we use the 3 mil, the TPE and get both? Why can’t we go to a 15 man roster?

just SHOOT me

August 3rd, 2010
5:00 pm

DANG. How come I’m never first. just SHOOT me.

Westurd

August 3rd, 2010
5:03 pm

Miss Horford

August 3rd, 2010
5:16 pm

Hey Fundamentals…you got a great point there!

Miss Horford

August 3rd, 2010
5:19 pm

Glad Jsmoove finally married his baby mama

drmaryb (*_*)

August 3rd, 2010
5:19 pm

Turd

Rest your case!
It’s not 2008 – you 2000 & late!

drmaryb (*_*)

August 3rd, 2010
5:22 pm

Rev in Tampa

Awwww … You First? That is so nice.

LOL!

terrell

August 3rd, 2010
5:29 pm

So Shaq is headed to Beantown. And who in the world would want Atlanta’s director of scouting, and Sund’s right hand man? lol!

Rev in Tampa

August 3rd, 2010
5:30 pm

Something rubs me the wrong way about Sund’s near gushing joy at the interest other teams are paying to his front office. He seems to find confidence in his front office because of their desireability. It made me feel as if he lacks confidence in himself and the front office he has put together.

Rev in Tampa

August 3rd, 2010
5:40 pm

A better response by Sund would have been, “These other teams better keep their hands off my front office and I have an extra 3 mil that says they aren’t going anywhere. But instead he is flattered that somebody else might want them. Does anybody else read his comments in the same way?

UGA

August 3rd, 2010
5:42 pm

It’s like our front office is DRUNK. Shaq is out of the picture. Why not sign Josh Boone and Carney to the minimum? We’d still be under the luxury tax too. I do not have confidence in Collins at all. Plus, here is the competition: Carney could beat out Mo for playing time and Boone beat out Collins. Makes sense but………….

Rev in Tampa

August 3rd, 2010
5:43 pm

Enter end quotation marks after “aren’t going anywhere” in my previous post.

UGA

August 3rd, 2010
5:45 pm

Per ESPN’s Chris Broussard: Shaq to Celtics likely done either tonight or tomorrow, source says. Shaq to ATL not totally dead, but Diesel most likely joining Celtics

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
5:45 pm

I’m really not sure why anyone wants our front office guys. I don’t think their track record is long enough and successful enough.

As for the hawks roster, why not trade Mo for a legit backup SF? He is a backup SG who is not big enough to to play backup SF consistently well.

Or go with 14, so we can sign another wing for defense and another center.

The 2 time defending NBA champions Lakers have ron artest and Matt Barnes at SF. We have Marvin Williams and Mo Evans.

I thought the goal was to win championships…

Fundamentals

August 3rd, 2010
5:52 pm

And I got beat down for asking for Barnes repeatedly. Obviously I must manage my team thoughts like the World Champions! Thanks for not listening.

Rev in Tampa

August 3rd, 2010
5:53 pm

MC, what is your case for wanting to, specifically, add Carney?

Fundamentals

August 3rd, 2010
5:58 pm

What are Carney’s strengths? Seems to get limited minutes, points and rebounds for a subpar 76rs club?

I’d be up for Boone potentially? Wish he were a tad bigger, but he should have decent speed. Wouldn’t he and AL have a FLA connection?

Fundamentals

August 3rd, 2010
6:01 pm

My bad, Boone is a UConn man, not FLA? A bit small, but isn’t he a decent defender? Seems to get decent boards with limited minutes? Why so limited on the Nets of all teams?

jerrywest

August 3rd, 2010
6:01 pm

Heat/Lakers/Cetics/Magic add.
Hawks add nothing.
We need owners who care about winning.

Rod from College Park

August 3rd, 2010
6:02 pm

We actually need starting small forward. Marvin should be coming of the bench.

clarkekent

August 3rd, 2010
6:10 pm

fundamentals – boone went to UCONN..

MC – we should have gotten Rudy Gay.. we let him re-up with MEM without even talking to him.. then re-signed joe to the biggest contract this summer. not Wade or Bosh or Mr Decision got the money we paid joe .. can you say “Allan Houston”. And somone really wants somebody out of this front office.. please take them ..please take them now.

Fundamentals

August 3rd, 2010
6:13 pm

Clarkekent must not be superman cause I already beat you to it buddy. Joe has alot of pressure to produce with such a contract, but to call him Houston is a bit premature. Give him some time to see what happens.

Rod – If we had a quality option we could use Marvin as the 6th man. A defined role might suit him well. I called for it all last year.

nes

August 3rd, 2010
6:14 pm

Why don’t or didn’t the Hawks trade Marvin Williams when a couple of teams were interested? He is a under-achieving player who shows flashes from time to time. His jump shot is something to watch, like a baseball player winding up to throw. Can’t believe the Hawks chose him with a LOTTERY PICK! It is time to trade while we could/can get something in return–it’s a start to revamping current line up

nes

August 3rd, 2010
6:19 pm

One more thing about that Joe Johnson contract, it ate up any money for additional players and like all the other blogs listed here, J.J. is not worth 50 million much less 120 million DOLLARS! highest paid player in the league now and he can’t take over a game like Lebron and Wade can. GM SUND needs to take up kite flying and get the heck out of Atlanta!

ryan

August 3rd, 2010
6:20 pm

Can you say its time to rebuild this team is going no were nobody wants to here because this ownership is dysfunctional plane and simple i don’t blame those assistants wanting to leave.

Section 303

August 3rd, 2010
6:27 pm

I think Carney is a good call, Michael. He would limit Mo Evans’ minutes, which I think is a good thing. Plus, another athletic defender would help a lot.

Any of you ever listen to Sekou’s Hangtime Podcasts? You can get them free on itunes, by the way. In the last one, Steve Smith was on. Sekou and Smitty were both driving the “Shaq to Atlanta” bus. They almost swayed me into thinking the Hawks need him.

Though I think he might be able to help, I just do not believe Shaq views the Hawks as a serious contender. He does not respect this organization. I think he would be nothing but trouble. F*** him for going on national TV with the shout out to the C’s, too.

Also, I am firmly in the camp that believes Jason Collins is a decent player. He has shown the ability to hit jumpers from 15-ft in. And, I loved the D he played on Howard in game 2 of the Magic series. If the refs weren’t too busy licking Howard’s sac, Collins would have gotten him in major foul trouble in the game.

Chris

August 3rd, 2010
6:28 pm

@Michael Cunningham, FYI: Portland’s GM is RICH Cho, not Steve Cho.

Rod from College Park

August 3rd, 2010
6:29 pm

nes,

I personally don’t believe any of the Marvin rumors. I don’t think any team would be stupid enough to take on that contract, unless it’s a team like Cleveland, who is trying to basically get something(Marvin), for nothing(Shaq). Shaq won’t stay in Cleveland, so they are trying to get something for him.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 3rd, 2010
6:31 pm

Ghetto Kids!

We Fans are like the Ghetto Kids! We don’t like Christmas because we get NOTHING!

Section 303

August 3rd, 2010
6:31 pm

nes, is that all you got? The Hawks shouldn’t have drafted Marvin and Joe Johnson makes too much money? How enlightening.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 3rd, 2010
6:33 pm

The guy who thought there was no available talent at #24 in this year’s draft, and the team that repeately sold first-round picks for cash over the last decade. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 3rd, 2010
6:38 pm

“Yet whenever I bring up Atlanta’s need for a wing, I’m always told the team feels set there and is focused on adding another 5. ”

Sounds like Hawks brass thinks Smoove can fill in at SF. Fantastic.

Saint Richt

August 3rd, 2010
7:14 pm

Doesn’t matter….at best the 4th/5th best team in the conference. No flexibility, no upside…..another wasted decade.

Rufus1

August 3rd, 2010
7:16 pm

Enter your comments here

Gilk

August 3rd, 2010
7:30 pm

I understand Shaq is nowhere near the same player, but I think it is symbolically important for the Hawks to outbid Boston and add him as the 13th player on the roster. ASG pocketed $3MM with the sale of that 2nd round pick. Signing Shaq to the MLE would put the Hawks roughly $3MM over the luxury tax threshold. Use the $3MM in the bank to pay the dollar for dollar luxury tax!

Sund said on draft night the money would be used for signing vets … live up to your word Rick Sund!!! What kind of message are you sending to your fans ASG/Sund if you don’t do something bold like extend Shaq a 2 yr. contract at the MLE price tag?!?

It is SO difficult to be a Hawks fan! Surprise us for once ASG/Sund. Do the right thang! Got it … I’m gone!

doc

August 3rd, 2010
7:41 pm

rev any lateral move made by o e of those guys to the suns or the blazers is an indictment of the hawks front office. if they are going up the ladder then cool

if shaq is so bad then why is the celtic organization top tier last three last two years, interested in him?

shaq vs powell or collins, not even close.

northcyde

August 3rd, 2010
7:50 pm

I know I wrote that little skit on Big Ray’s blog, starring Sund, Drew, and Horford concerning the Collins signing . . .

But seriously . . . how do you explain to Al Horford that the help he asked for, comes in the form of Collins and Powell . . when Boston could potentially add BOTH O’Neal big men?

Forget explaining it to the fan base, how do you explain that to Al?

Horford needs to come into next season with the mindset that he’s going to lead the league in rebounding. Since he didn’t get any help, he’s simply have to become a dominant rebounder. His old teammate Joakim Noah, has already adopted that mindset in Chicago. Horford will have to do the same here.

KC

August 3rd, 2010
7:51 pm

Rotation management is one of the most needed areas of improvement. So I was happy to hear LD is giving minutes how he feels suited as opposed to keeping strict rules and roles

macaroni tony

August 3rd, 2010
7:57 pm

I wonder why the Hawks only have one game when it comes to the NBA Marquee Games. The Bulls and Thunder have like four games a piece. We’re playing the freaking Kings at that. I guest it doesn’t matter how many games that you win if the league don’t like you then they don’t like you.

jlewis

August 3rd, 2010
8:01 pm

I’m tired of this what JJ is/was worth. The ability to add players if he had not gotten the money, the salary cap rules were reviewed over and over. Also, no one still wants to come to ATL, this place is not basketball heaven. Come to think of it, MC, how the hell did you end up with this assignment? LOL

macaroni tony

August 3rd, 2010
8:05 pm

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/08/espncom-fordhollinger-future-power.html

I think that this is a bunch of (bs)

Atlanta Hawks analysis: Run on pessimism and truth
Tuesday, August 03, 2010
ESPN.com: Ford/Hollinger: Future Power Rankings
Between March 2nd and August 3rd, the Hawks have fallen from 13th to 19th in Chad Ford and John Hollinger’s NBA future power rankings (Insider):

Atlanta dropped seven spots since our last Future Power Rankings, largely due to two factors.

First, a depressing playoff performance took some of the shine off their roster — although they won 53 games and got the third seed in the East, it’s hard to credibly call this a contending bunch. A mix of three good young players — Al Horford, Josh Smith and Marvin Williams — along with a veteran in Joe Johnson is nice, but this group needs more to get over the hump. New coach Larry Drew will have a tough time coaxing similar results given how injury-free the Hawks were last season.

Second, the enormous free-agent contract given to Joe Johnson is likely to be a significant liability going forward, especially given the franchise’s reluctance to go into the luxury tax. As a result, money is likely to be extremely tight. As if to prove that point, the Hawks have barely dipped a toe into the free-agent market, and it may be difficult for them to keep Jamal Crawford as a free agent a year from now.

A word on their method:

The Future Power Rankings are ESPN Insider’s projection of the on-court success expected for each team during the 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

To determine the Future Power Rating, we rated each team in five categories: Players, Management, Money, Market, Draft (ed. note — in descending order of importance).

The Hawks rank 9th in Players (246 of 400 possible points), 19th in Management (76 of 200 possible points), 24th in Money (71 of 200 possible points), 17th in Market (46 of 100 possible points), and 18th in Draft (45 of 100 possible points).

just SHOOT me

August 3rd, 2010
8:07 pm

KC, who cares how the Hawks rotate minutes?!? Have you not realized the Eastern Conference has become the beast in the NBA? The power has shifted. The Lakers (in my opinion) are still the team to beat. However, obviously Miami makes a good point and will be in contention. No matter what anyone says: The Hawks had to go 7 games in the first round to knock off a Milwaukee team without their star player. Were the Bucks a better team? Hell no! We got out-coached. Needless to say even the Bucks improved more than the Hawks in the offseason. So where does that leave the Hawks? Honestly, I’ll take Orlando, Boston, Miami, Chicago, and then maybe Atlanta in the 5th seed. If not, Atlanta in the 6th spot. At the end of the season and start of the post-season where do the Hawks finish? An exit out of the first round. And for what? We obtain the highest paid player in the NBA. Kobe, Lebron, Dwayne, and even K. Durant could get us to the second round. Joe Johnson? Give me a freaking break. It’s done for the next 6 years! Thank you, ASG!

northcyde

August 3rd, 2010
8:16 pm

@ Gilk . . . . but that makes too much sense for the ASG to do that. On the real though, that sold pick was never meant to be used to bring people in. That 3 mill got split up 9 ways. That money got ate up by the owners, like the “blog monster” eats posts.

Sund and Pendergraph probably thought they could get “quality” veterans by only paying the vet minimum. But even they got more money than the ASG were willing to pay.

So what you have left is a front office trying to hype that Jason Collins and Josh Powell will help us. They have “championship experience”, so they will be assets to the team.

Well hell . . . Adam Morrison has “championship experience” too. Might as well bring him and his 2 NBA titles to ATL. He can be that SF that people want. Let Adam be our “un-sharpshooter” off the bench for 3 minutes a night.

Michael Cunningham

August 3rd, 2010
8:19 pm

@dap01: “What centers are still out there?”

Kwame Brown, Josh Boone and, um, well i guess that’s about it, huh?

ryan

August 3rd, 2010
8:20 pm

Delonte West was released maybe that someone the Hawks could target.

Fundamentals

August 3rd, 2010
8:21 pm

First Shaq, now we want Delonte prowling our players moms? NO THANK YOU!

Michael Cunningham

August 3rd, 2010
8:22 pm

@ Rev in Tampa: “Something rubs me the wrong way about Sund’s near gushing joy at the interest other teams are paying to his front office. He seems to find confidence in his front office because of their desireability. It made me feel as if he lacks confidence in himself and the front office he has put together.”

i think he likes that teams are after his guys because it validates his program. he’s trying to help out their careers by praising them. no use holding guys back if they can get better positions elsewhere.