Atlanta Hawks: Getaway day
There will be a blog hiatus for a couple weeks while I get away for some me time. There’s a chance I might drop in with a post if anything interesting happens with the Hawks but don’t count on that (either something interesting happening or me dropping in). Meanwhile the beat will be in the capable hands of Ken S., who will chronicle the Hawks’ attempts to pluck a center from the bargain bin.
I suspect not much will have changed with my blog people when I return. Truth-Serum will still be using his multiple identities to agree with himself that Al is a terrible defensive center. JeJe will continue to rip ASG for not letting J.J. walk and using all that cap space to SIGN FREAKIN’ LEBRON. And all of you will wonder how in the heck this squad is supposed to make a move in the East with basically the same guys suiting up.
Be easy until I get back, blog people. Remember, it’s all love and and it’s just basketball . . .
MC
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Rondo
July 19th, 2010
6:58 pm
O’brien-I guess it is a draw Marvin has his upsides and downsides and Barnes has his.Still i like Marvin as a scoring threat over Barnes.Just like Odom’s play irritate Lakers fans Marvins up and down performances will continue to frustrate hawks fans.
JoJo the Godfather
July 19th, 2010
7:00 pm
I’m still hoping the Hawks will go after Kirk Hinrich…Bibby, Evans & a draft pick should do it (Wiz get shorter, cheaper contracts and a pick for the future but still have vets to play with Wall).
JoJo the Godfather
July 19th, 2010
7:05 pm
Sacramento is looking for a PG that can shoot from outside…They are under the cap and could absorb Bibby’s contract without sending anything back in return…I’d send Bibby, cash & draft picks to Sac-town just to get rid of Bibby and free up space under the luxury tax threshold…Its a long shot, but worth a try…Good luck Sund.
Truth-Serum
July 19th, 2010
7:06 pm
O’Brien I hear you. Again, Im waiting for a link or bibliography or something re-post of an article something other than a haters interpretation or uncorroborated tales. 80% of the blogs here are just a persons opinion or interpretation of whats taking or taken place. Very few offer facts or evidence to support their claims.
For example, read just this page. How many times do you see claims about woodson or teague or Horford where the writer is making a debasing statement perjuring the person with out a link or an qualified article to support his statement?
STEVE , FRIED CHICKEN, RUFUS AND VAVA or the only ones who offer substanial reference and documentation for their positions.
For the most part the rest Just sowed their opinions. Nothing wrong with that, It just that opinions often get misconstrued with reality.
One poster said the hawks matched the lakers for offense and defense which is not true. While woodsons team did show as much offensive out put as the lakers defensively we could not match them in the middle.
Here is the team stats last year defensively
http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable2.html?cnf=1&prd=1
Now heres an example of someone who claims to know what was in Woodson’s mind and offered it as evidence to support his premise.
“Woodson felt he had to rely on the switching DEF to allow him to play extended mins.”
My conclusion is, I find better case presentations on other sites. In fact, if the 80% (guestamation) had to be responsible for what the say much of the hate on this site would cease and the level of intelligence would go up.
Rondo
July 19th, 2010
7:07 pm
I agree that Chicago didn’t make that much of an upgrade.Watch Boozers game diminish a little bit because he don’t have a point that can give him those great passes in the right spot anymore.Rose is awesome but he isn’t the set up man williams is.
Truth-Serum
July 19th, 2010
7:08 pm
read just this page.(page 5)
bust a move
July 19th, 2010
7:08 pm
Chicago will finish higher than the hawks
bust a move
July 19th, 2010
7:10 pm
of course so will 5 other teams.
Thats true
July 19th, 2010
7:12 pm
“This blog sucks.”
Rondo
July 19th, 2010
7:12 pm
bust a move rank the east next season
Melvin
July 19th, 2010
7:16 pm
From John Kincade twitter page:
“Atlanta’s #1 sports radio station just got bigger as the Hawks join 680 and 99X! THE sports destination on radio welcomes them into the fold “
bust a move
July 19th, 2010
7:19 pm
OK Rondo.
1 Miami
2 boston
3 Orlando
4 Milwaukee
5 Chicago
6 Atlanta
7 Cleveland
8 Charlotte
Truth-Serum
July 19th, 2010
7:20 pm
I wish MC will come back to give us more blog topics.
Boring
bust a move
July 19th, 2010
7:20 pm
Your turn Rondo
drmaryb
July 19th, 2010
7:21 pm
Men’s Warehouse
Buy ONE suit and Get ONE – FREE!
Sale Never Ends – Enless Supply
That’s what’s up downtown Atlanta, We are shopping for some plugs to fill some holes.
Do You have a pulse?
Do You have a Job already?
Do You have a Posse?
(We pay your people too .. Wink-Wink)
Do You have a car?
(Well, do you know anybody – who knows somebody – who has a car?)
Oh, Do You rebound and defend in your spare time?
…. Well You said Yes to 1 outa’ 5 questions, You’re Hired!
We pay $8.00 per/week. Pay-Days is Friday. Per Diem is $100.00 (double that for Jason)
Naw…I’m just playing, but for real … Isn’t their a law against hiring only family members?
It seems like the Hawks are a Self-Circulatory Vascular System. The only way a player can leave is
6′ Feet under. Poor Chills had to play in Greece just to get away.
L.D. Tried to leave, but was blocked at the door. Jason Collins did nothing to get re-signed,
He is actually in Europe on vacation and is too busy to sign his 1.3M contract right now.
Mario West, RandyMo, blah. … Blah. …
We NEED some FRESH meat !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Truth-Serum
July 19th, 2010
7:23 pm
I guess people are afraid to use there own names so they resort to using mine.
Truth-Serum
July 19th, 2010
7:20 pm
Not my post. In fact I dont even read the Con man. I dont care if he never writes again. To Biased for me.
Rondo
July 19th, 2010
7:24 pm
Bust a move i guess it will be a first round sweep due to your guesstimations since the hawks would have to face Orlando in the 1st round.
Clyde
July 19th, 2010
7:28 pm
drmaryb have you been drinking again?
bust a move
July 19th, 2010
7:29 pm
I dont see the hawks as a serious team any more Nothing they have done has improved them as a team nor have they kept pace with the rate of growth on the teams in front of or behind them. Weve made some bad choices. What your seeding?
Rondo
July 19th, 2010
7:29 pm
1.Heat
2.Magic
3.Hawks
4.Celtics
5.Bulls
6.Bucks
7.Bobcats
8.Knicks/Wizards/Sixers won’t matter will face the Heat
drmaryb
July 19th, 2010
7:41 pm
Ken Strickland
Spot – On re: getting the RIGHT piece. Chemistry and Play-Styles need to fit our System.
Wow! That’s nice to say – SYSTEM!
Aye … I am a die hard Mr. Woodson and I for one, cried when he left.
However, I did have ONE BIG complaint about his Team Identity & lack of well defined roles for the Team
Players within a SYSTEM of Offense and Defense.
Like S.A., Utah, Lakers do year in and out.
We all know their plays in our sleep, but they execute so methodically and machine like, to where you can’t even stop it. They SIMPLY impose their WILL upon YOU, send your dysfunctional team AWAY,
Check their lap-tops, get showered & dressed and out on a date!
Tell me, most of these players are not distracted from basketball by The Life of a NBA Star?
Pat Riley always draft fighters and tough guys and killers.
We always get the Soft-Serve Ice Milk stuff.
I’m just Sayin! We need to hire from OUTSIDE the company too!
I’m just keepin’ it Real!
Ole’ Gurl want some FRESH meat! (*_*)
drmaryb
July 19th, 2010
7:53 pm
Bubba Crew Diva!
(Wardrobe by Prada 2011)
CLYDE
Yes Baby, Ms. B. Just popped a bottle of – Pierre Joue’t 1980 – !
I am celebrating Life!
I’m done grieving my silly Hawks team! They’ll just become one of my many toys and
I’ll try to squeeze them back into my rotation in November 2010. I’m just eating popcorn
and sipping from my Sippy-Cup (adult beverage). I wanna’ see what they roll out there and
see how they play the game, before I pass judgement on the team as a whole.
The way I see it? The Team is on their own next season and ASKG said yall better play @ 100%!
doc
July 19th, 2010
8:15 pm
Truth if you stayvaway from your I’d too long someone will snap it up.:-)
Rod from College Park
July 19th, 2010
8:32 pm
JoJo the Godfather,
“Rod, the stats say that Marvin was a pretty good defender at the SF position last year…He DEFENDED his position as well or better than most all-stars at the position…I’m with you though, he has got to knock down the open jumper…His form is way too good for that shot not to fall consistently…Has to be in his head.”
Help me out. Which stats are those? Please provide those stats for me.
Truth=Serum
July 19th, 2010
9:46 pm
doc
LOL !
I enjoy your posts doc. You do lift when you right. Thanks for the shout!
northcyde
July 19th, 2010
10:11 pm
Marvin’s Defensive PER at SF vs the other starting SFs in the NBA. ( eFG% will be beside the PER number )
Artest: 12.9 – ( 46.7% eFG )
Marion: 13.3 – ( 42.2% eFG )
Barnes: 13.3 – ( 44.6% eFG )
Durant: 13.3 – ( 47.7% eFG )
R. Jefferson: 13.3 – ( 48.6% eFG )
Delfino: 13.5 – ( 46.2% eFG )
C. Butler ( WAS ): 14.3 – ( 48.3% eFG )
Peja: 14.4 – ( 49.0% eFG )
Turkoglu: 14.7 – ( 48.9% eFG )
Deng: 14.8 – ( 46.7% eFG )
Granger: 14.9 – ( 50.0% eFG )
Carmelo: 15.3 – ( 50.8% eFG )
Casspi: 15.4 – ( 48.6% eFG )
Morrow: 15.4 – ( 49.3% eFG )
Lebron: 15.6 – ( 50.3% eFG )
Pierce: 15.7 – ( 48.9% eFG )
Kirilenko: 15.7 – ( 49.9% eFG )
Marvin: 15.7 – ( 51.7% eFG )
Q. Richardson: 15.8 – ( 48.2% eFG )
Iguodala: 15.9 – ( 49.8% eFG )
G. Wallace: 15.9 – ( 51.7% eFG )
Gay: 16.2 – ( 53.0% eFG )
Webster: 16.2 – ( 53.3% eFG )
Ariza: 16.7 – ( 49.7% eFG )
Gallinari: 16.7 – ( 52.5% eFG )
Prince: 16.8 – ( 54.4% eFG )
Hill: 17.0 – ( 50.9% eFG )
Ras. Butler: 17.1 – ( 49.9%eFG )
Douglas-Roberts: 17.5 – ( 50.8% eFG )
Gomes: 18.1 – ( 50.0% eFG )
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If you go by this, Marvin gets a grade of C defensively, when comparing him to this crop of SFs. And his grade might be even lower, when you consider that he doesn’t generate a lot of “hustle plays” like steals and blocks. I thought he was better than this actually. But come to think of it, he did have flashes in which he looked great defensively, and other days when he got lit up.
Shocked at that Durant 13.3 PER number. But then again, when he guarded Kobe in the playoffs, he did a good job on him. That guy is long as hell, and if he ever started to get a little more steals and blocks, he’ll get All-Defensive team consideration in the future.
SteveW
July 19th, 2010
10:20 pm
Shocked – the Magic have 3 guys making more than Joe Johnson this year – Matt Barnes, Vince, and Dwight Howard. I didn’t know the Magic were on the hook for Barnes at well over 20m per season thru 2013 – wow!
Joe Johnson by the way is 15th in salary this season at 16.3m+, and he was 3rd team all NBA – one of the 15 best players out there or so..
SteveW
July 19th, 2010
10:23 pm
Kobe is on the books for over 30m when he is 35 years old! At least Joe Johnson’s contract expires when he is 34.
SteveW
July 19th, 2010
10:23 pm
Joe is for less than 25m when his expires at 34 also..
northcyde
July 19th, 2010
10:40 pm
PER and eFG% of SF’s Offensively
Lebron: 34.0 – ( 55.1% eFG )
Durant: 29.3 – ( 51.6% eFG )
Carmelo: 25.4 – ( 48.1% eFG )
Granger: 21.1 – ( 49.6% eFG )
Pierce: 20.2 – ( 53.4% eFG )
Kirilenko: 19.4 – ( 52.9% eFG )
Iguodala: 18.8 – ( 46.6% eFG )
G. Wallace: 18.7 – ( 49.2% eFG )
Gay: 18.1 – ( 49.8% eFG )
Deng: 18.1 – ( 48.7% eFG )
Prince: 17.9 – ( 50.1% eFG )
Hill: 16.0 – ( 50.4% eFG )
Barnes: 15.9 – ( 55.5% eFG )
Casspi: 15.7 – ( 51.9% eFG )
Q. Richardson: 15.5 – ( 57.9% eFG% )
Ariza: 15.2 – ( 46.6% eFG )
Gallinari: 15.1 – ( 50.0% eFG )
R. Jefferson: 14.9 – ( 52.0% eFG )
Marion: 14.9 – ( 49.5% eFG )
Delfino: 14.8 – ( 50.7% eFG )
Marvin: 14.8 – ( 49.2% eFG )
Turkoglu: 14.7 – ( 49.1%eFG )
C. Butler ( WAS ): 14.6 – ( 43.3% eFG )
Morrow: 14.1 – ( 54.7% eFG )
Webster: 14.0 – ( 50.5% eFG )
Artest: 13.7 – ( 49.2% eFG )
Douglas-Roberts: 13.6 – ( 47.7% eFG )
Peja: 13.5 – ( 49.7% eFG )
Ras. Butler: 12.8 – ( 51.4% eFG )
Gomes: 12.2 – ( 49.7% eFG )
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Same situation on offense. You look at this list, and he’s probably closer to a C- in the PER department. His inability to knock down wide open jumpers this year, combined with him disappearing on the boards at times, didn’t help him any last season.
And once again . . . Durant is SCARY. OKC may be one more All-Star big man or guard away from being a major threat in the West.
darrell starks
July 19th, 2010
11:03 pm
Northcyde the hawks have 2 make a move 2 get the fans excited about this team, if bring back the same thing the hawks will failed miserably in attendence and on the floor, the east will be strong this year and hawks will fall back f no changes 2 be made.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
July 19th, 2010
11:15 pm
The conversation about marvin is not good the guy is in his 5year and still no improvement in his game, but other teams see marvin as being young with lots of potential if so maybe some one will bite for marvin who has some value at the age of 24.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
July 19th, 2010
11:23 pm
I have been screaming for this guy for years, the situation between igg and sixer is just about done, there has been speculation every year about the igg being on the trading block, plus the sixer are looking for a big man, why not rick sund call philly.
MARVIN, ZAZA, AND A FIRST FOR IGG THAT WILL CLEAR A LITTLE CAP FOR SHAQ.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
darrell starks
July 19th, 2010
11:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl2YDpsxSLc
darrell starks
July 19th, 2010
11:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raVIciJMezk
darrell starks
July 19th, 2010
11:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MhVV4BB6QM
darrell starks
July 20th, 2010
12:01 am
2010 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, IGG, JOSH, HORFORD.
BENCH JAMAL, JC2, MOE, JOE SMITH, SHAQ
RESERVE BIBBY, COLLINS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
northcyde
July 20th, 2010
12:07 am
I’ll say this about Iggy. That dude would be the perfect compliment to JJ here. Not only is he the slasher that this team could use, he’s also a guy who is a very good playmaker that could get a shooter like JJ, and a high flyer like Smoove, a lot of easy looks.
I’d deal Crawford + a 1st round pick for Iggy with the quickness. They’ll first see how he and Evan Turner mesh together. But if it doesn’t work out, Iggy is a guy I’d love to have on this team.
northcyde
July 20th, 2010
12:09 am
Teague – JJ – Iggy – Smoove – Horford
If Teague pans out, especially defensively, that is a DYNAMIC lineup. LOL . . JJ would have to take just about every outside shot, but that is a high octane lineup right there.
BILLY KNIGHT
July 20th, 2010
12:34 am
That move if so of marvin, zaza, and a first for igg with a lineup of
teague, jj, igg, josh, horford.
would be a steal for the hawks.
Grandad
July 20th, 2010
12:50 am
TS:
I know I’ve aggravated the heck outa’ you,
But, even though I proffer my opinions,
I’m pretty darn sure, that when I state a fact,
I can back it up with documentation or experience.
As much as you and I engage in spirited repartee,
you should know that I always tell things exactly,
as I know them to be true.
So, curse me if you wish, you have before.
It bothers me not. If it makes you feel manly.
Go ahead I can take it…..but know this.
You & I,
we both know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
Not mean’t to antagonize.
However you made accusations that you knew to be false.
Without naming me directly.
Still, you knew better.
I will continue my opine & my accurate analysis.
@ 7:23 *P. M. You mentioned that people
are afraid to use their own names.
Well:
sincerely, Grandad.
Clyde
July 20th, 2010
1:35 am
Yall need to stop wit all that Iggy crap. You know good and well the Spirit Group and gonna trade Marvin Williams.
vava74
July 20th, 2010
5:17 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/nba-blockbusters-can-still-bomb-071910
Just read it.
vava74
July 20th, 2010
5:23 am
We should keep an eye on this guy. He could be a serviceable space eater after a year of play in Euroball.
http://www.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_15537180?nclick_check=1
O'Brien
July 20th, 2010
7:27 am
Northcyde,
Thanks for the SF stats. One thing that fans are guilty of (including me) is we base our opinions off what we see (or think we see). But sometimes, what we see is not what the numbers say it is.
Marvin is an okay defender, but he is by no means a defender like Barnes (who was #2 on the list). Yes, playing with D12 behind you does help, but to be #2 still shows what kind of defender Barnes is.
And when you factor in Barnes’ salary (reportedly $4.5 mil per year from Toronto), compared to $7.5 mil for Marvin, it’s a no-brainer. Hopefully Marvin will improve to where he was 2 seasons ago.
As for Igyy, we talked about him on the other blog a while back. I think he would fit (especially if Teague can knock down 3s), but at 4 years, $56 mil left on his deal, that would be a tough money pill to swallow. Now if we get rid of Marvin and Bibby, then that might work.
You know dat boy aint right
July 20th, 2010
7:44 am
Truth-Serum
July 19th, 2010
7:06 pm
Again, Im waiting for a link or bibliography or something re-post of an article something other than a haters interpretation or uncorroborated tales. 80% of the blogs here are just a persons opinion or interpretation of whats taking or taken place. Very few offer facts or evidence to support their claims.
Yes, OPINIONS would be what a blog is for. That’s why it’s called a BLOG, not a “fact-finder’s forum”. By the way, since I’m sure you don’t want to be a hypocrite of biblical proportions, perhaps you’d better start providing footnotes and fact-related references EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU POST. Otherwise, you’ll get called out over and over. You and the other 43 people bouncing around in your little peanut sized head.
macaroni tony
July 20th, 2010
8:05 am
If we can get MW to play like this all season then we’ll be a pretty good team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC5aLzd2HkE&feature=related
vava74
July 20th, 2010
10:39 am
tony,
Marvin’s shot during the 2009-10 season was completely off because he held on too long before releasing the ball.
This 2008-09 footage shows his shot with perfect fluidity with the release coming at the exact point it should.
I think that MW has suffered from lack of confidence in his game throughout this past season and was never able to shake that off.
He may never become a player deserving of a #2 pick, however I think we can still hope that he will improve and get back to 2008-09 levels on both ends of the court.
Although I love Crawford, who seems a very nice guy, I think his presence caused more harm than benefit since it affected both Marvin and Bibby’s games dramatically, mostly on account of Woody never finding the right way to balance the shots and the playing time each one got.
Woody is a very poor “rotation manager” and I doubt that he will get any serious consideration from any quality team for a new HC opportunity.
He is a perennial Assistant Coach and soon, rather than later, he will look for a job in that capacity where I believe he can be of good value for a coaching staff since I also think he looks like a nice man.
Ken Strickland
July 20th, 2010
11:26 am
MACARONI TONY-There are people on these blogs that are obsessed with promoting personal agendas against players like AHorford, MWilliams or JSmith. They are incapable of seeing anything positive about any of these players, and seem to focus exclusively on what they perceive as their negatives.
These MARVIN HATERS have a single minded focus on using last yrs performance as the sole representation of his entire career and his total capabilities. In Marvin’s 05-06 rookie yr, he averaged 8.5 PPG and 4.8RPG coming off the bench, and 13.1PPG and 5.3RPG in 06-07, his 1st yr as a starter. He continued his progression in 07-08 and averaged 14.8PPG and 5.7RPG, which is when the Hawks made their mid season trade for PG MBibby. It was Bibby’s acquisition that started Marvin’s annual progression into an annual regression.
Adding Flip Murray, then Jamal Crawford, and giving AHorford and JSmith more of a roll in the OFF, as well are last yrs almost total dependence on ISO’s, also contributed to Marvin’s decline. It’s not an issue of whether Marvin can do better, because he’s definitely demonstrated he can, but how much will he improve if given more opportunities.
Now we can expect the MARVIN HATERS to chime in with their typical haters BS. I think LDrew’s OFF, and OFF philosophy, will help create easier scoring opportunities for each player, rather than the old philosophy of each player having to create his own scoring opportunities using ISO’s. I think JJ’s PPG average will be about the same as last yrs, but he’ll require fewer shots to get there.
The increased efficiency of JJ, Smoove and Horford will allow Marvin more scoring opportunities. And, because JTeague can penetrate, rather than relying exclusively on jump shooting, he’ll score more from the FT line. We saw that during the Summer League, when he went to the FT line 7-8 times per gm. How many consecutive gms would we have to play before seeing Bibby go the FT line that many times?
Hitting 3pt shots is nice, but against big, strong inside teams like the Lakers and Magic, getting their bigs in foul trouble and going to the FT line is far more effective in the long run than relying on 3’s.
terrell
July 20th, 2010
11:49 am
MY 1st team All NBA
DWade
KBryant
LJames
PGasol
DHoward
MY 2nd team All NBA
RRondo
KDurant
CAnthony
DNowitzki
AHorford
MY 3rd team All NBA
DWilliams
JJohnson
PPierce
AStoudemire
TDuncan