Atlanta Hawks: Summer spotlight singes Teague

Not time to panic about 'Rook. (AP Photo)

Not time to panic about 'Rook. (AP Photo)

Las Vegas–One bad Summer League game, one quote about deferring to J.J. and Co., and suddenly it seems like Teague has gone from savior to suspect in the eyes of some Hawks fans.

He apparently took so much guff from fans on Twitter it prompted him to tweet: dont you hate people who cant play at all but have so much 2 say smh.” That came a couple hours after he had tweeted after he tweeted: “my bad yesterday didnt have a good one”

I guess his fans agreed with him in terms that were a little too strong for his taste. Note to Teague: If you don’t like to hear mess from fans, probably best to leave Twitter alone.

It’s only two games into summer league. No doubt Teague had a bad game Wednesday but it’s tough to judge him when he’s playing with this group, just like it was tough to judge him when he was playing sporadic minutes under Woody. Shouldn’t we hold off on making strong declarations either way?

Earlier in the week Teague said: “I am kind of looking at this like I’m a rookie.” I know what he meant but he’s not a rookie and circumstances outside of his control dictate that he and the Hawks can’t look it that way. They have to find out what they have with Teague, and fast.

“We have to,” L.D. said.

Nevertheless, the inescapable reality is that Teague is still a young player finding his way. Figuring out how he can best use his skills on a team full of guys who want the ball and how to be assertive when he’s the least accomplished Hawks starter will be a process. L.D. likened it to what Rondo went through in Boston when he was suddenly expected to run point for a veteran team looking to contend.

“I told him Rondo went through a similar situation,” Drew said. “Rondo was not a rah-rah guy. He went through a rookie period and then he had all these veterans thrown at him. Then he stepped out of the box, which is what I want [Teague] to do.”

Obviously there’s no need to panic about Teague after just a couple Vegas games. But there does seem to be a bit of a gap this week between what L.D. and Lester Conner are saying and what Teague is saying.

The coaches say this is a big week for Teague to show how he can lead the team; Teague downplays the games because he’s playing with NBA hopefuls instead of Atlanta’s vets. The coaches want Teague to direct traffic, with Conner going to far as to allow Teague to call his own plays at times; Teague said he might give the ball up to others and let them initiate the offense.

Part of the disconnect probably has to do with Teague’s personality, which Conner described as a “laid-back, cool mentality.” There were times when Teague’s relaxed approach riled Woody, who wanted him to be more serious.

L.D. wants the same. He said he’s on top of it.

“We change the environment, it will change him,” L.D. said. “That’s how I feel. That’s my job.”

It’s only July. Maybe if Teague looks good against Milwaukee tonight–he said he can’t wait to redeem himself–he will feel the love again.

MC

229 comments Add your comment

Show me state

July 15th, 2010
6:18 pm

Hawks fans….give teague a break…..he will come around eventually…

Show me state

July 15th, 2010
6:18 pm

Btw first time being first…..

Show me state

July 15th, 2010
6:21 pm

MC

I noticed teague said bibby wanted less minutes last season…..is their a strong possibility of him beating bibby out eventually as the starter….regardless of his summer league performance?

cp

July 15th, 2010
6:25 pm

MC im glad you made this blog. I was saying earlier how some Hawks fans overreact to every situation. The kid played bad for one half in his second summer league game and it became the sky is falling the sky is falling. I think he will be fine but its going to be nights where he struggles and nights where he shines. The point of playing him is to get him to the point where he shines more than he struggles. I’m more worried about getting a big man in here than I am about Teague. People seem to forget we won 53 games last year with Mike Bibby struggling for what seemed like half the season.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
6:34 pm

MC,

Mann am I glad u wrote this blog!! I keep posting saying this is Teague’ 1st summer league, this is the time for him to make these mistakes since he never got the opportunity last year or during the season due to lack of playing time. Also he has yet to play or practice with the starters so we have yet to see how great he will look when JJ, Al Horford, & JSmoove finishes their buckets, unlike the hopefuls in this summer league. And I dont mind him speaking out on twitter, its good to let his emotions out and vet instead of keeping them in.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
6:39 pm

MC,

What time do the Hawks come on tonight?

layinlow

July 15th, 2010
6:40 pm

I’m not so concerned about a bad game as I am his laissez faire attitude. This paragraph is what concerns me the most.

“The coaches say this is a big week for Teague to show how he can lead the team; Teague downplays the games because he’s playing with NBA hopefuls instead of Atlanta’s vets. The coaches want Teague to direct traffic, with Conner going to far as to allow Teague to call his own plays at times; Teague said he might give the ball up to others and let them initiate the offense’.

Teague needs to be agressive and do what the damn coaches expect him to do. It concerns me greatly that he is making excuses about not being able to play with the regulars. What the hell did he think that he would be hookin up with JJ and smoove in summer league? A real leader takes what he’s got to work with and does the best he can and doesn’t make lame excuses. Is that fair to say?

doc

July 15th, 2010
6:40 pm

mc, i think folks didnt react well to his lack of a, “i got to do better and protect the ball because that is my job” mentality; not his trite little, “i just might as well pass it off because that is what i will do when i play with the big boys” response. there are a lot of guys who can fill his void without the cool.

tell him it aint personal, just fans like their leaders to be accountable not cool. if he didnt get that message, please send it along to him. we all know he is a rook only because that was drilled in his head all last year. yes, we also know sitting a year on the hawks bench probably wasnt the education deron williams got from sloan in his first year. he has to understand, he is the one who has to change perception, not us as fans. geez.

OK

July 15th, 2010
6:43 pm

Michael Cunningham,

Please tell me you agree that we should take a SERIOUS look at Trey Gilder?

Gilder > Mo Evans (trade him please)

Gilder >/= Marvin

We don’t have to break the bank to find a nice SF when we have a diamond in the ruff on our summerleague roster.

PLEASE everyone stop with this Matt Barnes nonsense. It’s making me queasey.

Trade Mike Bibby

That is all.

OK

July 15th, 2010
6:44 pm

On the teague subject, I cannot beleive no one has taught him how to break a press. It’s simple really. The pressure may be great but as long as you follow the fundametal press-breaking mokes you should get by them with ease.

I also fault JC2 for not staying in the backcourt in case Teague ran into trouble (which he did) Too often he was already across the timeline by the 3pt line smh. I know Drew holds PG camps in the summertime so hopefully he will addresses the issue personally. It’s somehing that every PG should’ve learned EARLY.

ToeKnee

July 15th, 2010
6:46 pm

Yea Teague needs to stay off twitter, or just to not let it affect u. but really how he handled it was pretty well done, didn’t seem too upset. his reaction fits that laid back cool description of his personality. theres reason to worry because teague is unproven, but i liked what i saw, more than with acie, and good defense from teague will be a HUGE addition, so as long as he hustles there the offense will come hes got talent. hopefully we can mold him like boston did rondo. they MADE him the player he is. he had talent, they made him great. good luck teague.go hawks!

OK

July 15th, 2010
6:47 pm

As far as Scrub big men go, Trading For Ryan Hollins is as low as my standards will go. NO lower than that. And he’s not that bad. If you’r suggesting anyone else who you KNOW is considred a scrub by the majority, then you obviously aren’t a Hawks fan. Why should we pick up trash? “Bean pole” Joe smith and “Hamburger Helper” Collins weren’t enough for you? I’m not even going to get started on RandMo. It’s just too pathetic at this point.

Re Summerleague: I do like Hendrix, he’s Grimey. Augustin’s hustle makes me respect him. It’s become apparent that Physicality/intensity easily neutralizes A. Aminu. He’s just a transition Big. We need more than that.

OK

July 15th, 2010
6:49 pm

Well, the Bible says that only fools can’t accept constructive criticism. We’ll see who he is in the upcoming months. Just telling it like it is. Sue me.

jim

July 15th, 2010
6:49 pm

we need help… the current roster couldn’t do it last year why would they do it this year..
we need changes…. veteran star power will help with experience and crowd pull. JJ isn’t the only guy to ever notice no one goes to hawks games.

Trade Jamal, Bibby, and Evans to Washington for Arenas
Trade Marvin and Zaza to cavs for Shaq and one of their future # 1 picks received from miama and trade exemption they got from Miami
Sign Brad Miller to MLE
Sign Allen Iverson to BAE

Starters Teague, JJ, Gilbert, Josh, Al
Bench AI, Jordan,Brad, Shaq (and whoever)

bigcalidawg

July 15th, 2010
6:52 pm

Summer league is a time to work on the deficiencies of your game. Not only that, but I’m concerned that the bigger issue is that he and RandMo are the only ones who are familiar with the offense. How can he do well if nobody knows the “O” and he’s supposed to run point.

It’s only Summer league. This team has done a disservice to young PG’s during recent history. It’s time to stand-up next to this young man and allow him to grow. Mike Bibby done found all his acorns. Let this young fella get his……….

tyger

July 15th, 2010
6:52 pm

Teague smells to high heaven, always did. This was a poor draft pick and an even poorer decision to keep trying to sell this fraud. Jordan Crawford is the truth, lets stop screwing around and give Teague away now while the oven still hot.

bigcalidawg

July 15th, 2010
6:59 pm

Mamma say alligators got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

N.D.T.K.A.

July 15th, 2010
7:00 pm

MC, any chance the Aminu kid makes the training camp roster?

Grandad

July 15th, 2010
7:01 pm

OK:
I have no idea what your talking about. [basic press ???]
He’s the only one that can get the ball down the floor vs the press.
He had a bad half. I think that was what Jeff was referring to,
when he said get the ball to the wings early. The pressing has been
eating up alot of the clock.
My word folks, calm down.

ASG = Ass Clowns. [not an acronym]

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
7:02 pm

layinlow,

Ok so u say, ” It concerns me greatly that he is making excuses about not being able to play with the regulars. What the hell did he think that he would be hookin up with JJ and smoove in summer league? A real leader takes what he’s got to work with and does the best he can and doesn’t make lame excuses. Is that fair to say?”

What’s the difference between someone who feels a certain way but covers it up by using the complete opposite, for example, someone is freezing cold but say they are fine. Well, all Teague is doing is saying how he feels w/o covering it up like others do like Bibby. He knew very well that he is washed-up but u will never hear him say it. And I like how JJ stuck to his guns about how he felt at the time about the fans, yeah it was hurtful for the fans, but he stayed on pace with how he felt…so big up to Teague!!

Oh and also, whats the difference in what LeBron did. Did he not work with what he had and tried to make the best out of it?? Where did it take him? Straight to Miami where he got tired of playing with the scubbs and wanted to play with quality players. Well, isnt that all what Teague is saying? He has yet to play with the quality players on his team since he has been in the league.

Ree Roe

July 15th, 2010
7:03 pm

I got criticized by many of you when I criticized Teague last yr & now he can’t even dominate scrubs & rookies in Vegas. SMH. I’ll hold off on further judgement on Teague till the regular season, but if he can’t get it done now, how do we expect him to succeed with the real squad?

-REEveal it to Roe!!!

OK

July 15th, 2010
7:06 pm

I like Teague, he just needs to:

1) Improve his on ball defense. He needs to get down in a better “traditional” defensive stance and move his feet. Even though this is summer league these are NBA caliber guards they are FAST he needs to back off and give them a step (or a cushon).

2) Learn to break the press. As the Starting PG he WILL be the primary ball handler /facilitator. HE decides where the points are going to come from, not Joe. Joe just needs to catch and shoot until we’re DEEP in the 4th qtr. Not before then. Otherwise the offense will DEFINETLY stagnate. We’ve seen it the past 5yrs.

3) Be more vocal. PG’s have to be leaders by trade is some form or fashon.

4) Have confidence is his shooting stroke. It does need a little tweaking but it works and it’s not terrible. When the oppourtunity arises, he needs to keep the defense honest and LET IT FLY. It’s better than Rondo’s anyday. Just telling it like it is.

5) Stop reaching on defense. He got in foul trouble last season for that. It’s good to take some chances, but once the regular season starts and he is going head to head with All-Star PG’s he’s not going to get away with that. He will either get blown past or get whistled for a foul. He just needs to keep his man in fron of him and apply heavy pressure without fouling. He has an extremely long wingspan for a PG so he needs to use it to bother his defenders (without gambling so much).

That is all.

I MUS WRITE

July 15th, 2010
7:09 pm

Its one game for cry’n out loud. Teague just needs to work on his shot and decision making. Rondo and Tony Parker had similar struggles and they turned out ok. Im not worried about this at all.

Fresh

July 15th, 2010
7:10 pm

I may be wrong but I think this Hawks Blog is one of the most active NBA team blogs throughout the NBA. Good Job People!!!!

will

July 15th, 2010
7:12 pm

Where is the excitement for people to go out and buy hawks tickets for the upcoming season!!!

ASG and Sund has done nothing to improve a team that was swepted two yrs in a row in the playoffs and only won 2 out 15 playoff gms on the road. These guys don’t have a clue of how to build a championship team. Still have not even picked up, not one FA. This is one pitful organization!

JeJe

July 15th, 2010
7:12 pm

WHY DID WE GET THE TE AND GET 3 MILLION CASH IN THE DRAFT IF WE ARE NOT GONNA USE THEM?

SPEND MONEY FOR SHAQ.

OVERSPENDING FOR 2 YEARS OF SHAQ >>>>>>>>>> 4 MORE YEARS OF INVISIBILITY FROM MARVIN

OK

July 15th, 2010
7:13 pm

Grandad, It didn’t seem to bother JC2 that much.

Teague was thinking TOO MUCH against A LOT of one man presses. NOT EVEN DOUBLE-TEAMS! He should know how to handle that in his sleep. He seemed indecesive. He seems to have aversion to turning his back to his defender and backing the ball up the court. He constantly tried to face up and sometimes even cross his defender over to break the press. That’s NOT how it’s done (against top the 600 basketball players in the world? Out of hundreds of millions who play the game? It’s not gonna work).

BrittishAnger

July 15th, 2010
7:13 pm

I’m impressed with what I’ve seen so far, and even some of the turnovers can’t be blamed on him and have to be put into the hands of the other players on the team. Jeff Teague is going to be a serious piece in our core going forward, and he’s got the talent to play with this group of guys we have assembled. I have no serious expectations of winning in SL with this group he’s got around him right now, rather I’m just watching his execution and hoping to see some flashes of greatness from him and Jordan Crawford over the next few games.

MannyT

July 15th, 2010
7:14 pm

Often the worst part of a very public job is the public. Doesn’t matter if you are athlete, entertainer, or politician. Need that thick skin & deaf ear to thrive…at least in public.

MaxxHawk

July 15th, 2010
7:15 pm

Man, the only thing that bothers me is that Teague is playing carelessly and is acting like this doesn’t matter, that this is like a practice. The only problem is, he’s the only one in summer league acting like that. everyone else is playing their butts off. He needs to pay his butt off, otherwise what’s the point of him even being in there? He’s playing like a scrub, granted he’s playing with scrubs, but Jordan Crawford looks great. Teague is playing lackadaisical, and I don’t blame fans for being discouraged by that, this team has a lot riding on Jeff Teague

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2010
7:21 pm

What can I say, Hawks fans are a fickle bunch.

ICECOLD

July 15th, 2010
7:28 pm

Real Talk

July 15th, 2010
7:29 pm

This is another sad episode in the Atlanta Hawks collapse that is about to unfold this season when second year backup PG Jeff Teague is getting showed up by scrubs while you have real rookies like John Wall, Bledsoe, Cousins and even our own Jordan Crawford playing like sophomores with the same lack of team talent as the Hawks. I respect the fact that LD is trying to give him confidence while comparing his struggles to Rondo but Rondo had the REAL support of a championship coach & team behind him. SMDH @ Teague How can you be the future of a team when you can’t even dribble past half court against scrubs without getting rip? From the look of these two miserable games in summer league, it seems Teague is one who can’t play.

ICECOLD

July 15th, 2010
7:29 pm

dang.. lol..

ICECOLD

July 15th, 2010
7:33 pm

Teague will be alright.. when hge plays with the starting five, and not these amatur players then he will be way better then what he is showing… i bet he is doing better then what bibby would do if he had the group teague is playing with right now.. he is their to learn.. and he is . .but he is not about to learn a lot unless he is playing with the people he would be playing with..

its called CHEMISTRY!!!

tim

July 15th, 2010
7:34 pm

I think j teague is smokin pot again. Does the guy get excited about anything?? The same old dumb, non caring look on is face….all the time.

Lose the “I’m great” attitude or you’ll be “I’m unemployed”

ATL

July 15th, 2010
7:42 pm

“dont you hate people who cant play at all but have so much 2 say smh.”

we should consider trading marvin and teauge as a package maybe. i liek marvin and yea he might blossom with the cavs, but lets get this ass out here lol , get mo gotti and shaq and let mo williams start and bibby back him up , mo still got some game in those legs. then to replace marvin we sign josh howard for cheap!!! make sense ..? teague just isnt it,

OK

July 15th, 2010
7:44 pm

Wow, they guy cares. You could see it in his body language after the game. I just want him to work on some things. No need to bash the guy though. He’s still very good & better than Bibby.

ATL

July 15th, 2010
7:46 pm

we wouldnt be getten any less production out of howard then we do marvin now, ad we can rid ourselves of the most likey possiblity of JT driven this 53 win team down hill, for all yall who think hes gnna be alright by the time oct comes is sadly mistaken, do you reallllly trust this kid running our team, hes to spotty and his attitude sucks, he thinks this startin spot is his for the takes, a couple more games liek this, and your ass it out, a good point guard can run anyteam, he looks like a scared bitc* runnen the floor, hes got no authority, no game, not every good college player can play in the nba, and his lil whimpy ass is just another distraction, to the progress of the team

cp

July 15th, 2010
7:49 pm

Real Talk you do realize guys like Wall and Bledsoe have had more turnovers. Wall had 16 his first two games. . Teague is averaging around what 16 ppg . Dude had one bad half and people act like its the end of the world.From ya comments I can tell you didn’t even see the first game. You can always tell the guys who watch the box score rather than see the action. SMH some Hawks fans. And we don’t need him to dominate summer league we need to see if he can run an offense , play solid d, and perform in certain situations. Man I swear we have some of the most overreacting and uniformed fans ever.

ATL

July 15th, 2010
7:50 pm

better than bibby, obviously you dont know basketball bibby can ball, look up his career stats, look up when he was in sactown, the guy is a beast, he out on weight and slowed down, guaranteded he loses weight and hes back , idk why you gusy bash a guy liek bibby who helped turn your franchise around remember 13 wins bibby came and we made the playoffs, his stroke is nice, and i never saw bibby lose a game for us, woodson had him given the ball to jj most of the time, and jj and jc on the floor , if bibbys not getten shots and time on the floor why do you think his numbers dropped , hes 32 and on the decline of his career, hes great to have off the bench, btu to say jt is better then bibby i think , its sad.. thats why atl soesnt sell out , and nobodys in the stand cus unfortuanlty most pple who are fans, dotn know basketball, maybe jt is right, bout yall, jt has done nothing , and will do nothing

cp

July 15th, 2010
7:55 pm

ATL are you serious. I cant read half of what you’re attempting to type. Please get spell check. You lose all credibility for saying Bibby can ball. One minute you say he can ball then you turn around and say he is on the decline lmaooooo. Wow. How can you try to debate someone but contradict your own argument in the very next line.. Please leave the basketball discussion to the adults because clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about.

ATL

July 15th, 2010
7:55 pm

Enter your comments here

OK

July 15th, 2010
7:57 pm

Hahahahahahahahaha @ ATL that doesn’t even deserve a response and i’m not gonna do it. Go bait someone else with that blasphemous NONSENSE. This is NOT 2003 ROTFLMBO!!!!

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:00 pm

TRADE MIKE BIBBY

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
8:00 pm

I think I was with the majority in thinking that Woody stunted Teague’s growth a little. He wasn’t allowed to make mistakes without getting yanked, that’s if he was even allowed in the game. That brings us to the present. What I don’t want from Teague is the feeling of entitlement. The whole “ho hum” attitude has to go. He needs to come in with his hard hat on. LD needs to let him know that even though he’s the de facto starter, that can change in a heartbeat. He could even possibly make JC2 and Teague duke it out for a starting role. I know they don’t play the same position, but my point is he has to earn his playing time. If not, he’ll find himself getting less PT than Marvin. I am sooooooooooo hoping Teague turns into a Rondo story WITH a jumpshot but the difference I see is attitude. Doc and Rondo butted heads because Rondo was a know-it-all. Rondo thought he knew it all because he was a student of the game. He studied tape. He asked questions. He did all that and he still wasn’t given the keys to the team until Doc was confident that he could handle it. The Celtics made it as far as they did in the playoffs on the coat tail of Rondo. Bottom line is Teague needs to get to work and don’t be complacent.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
8:01 pm

ATL..u sure u dont want to be called LTA caue u sound backwards…Bibby is a beast???

HawkKingBibby

July 15th, 2010
8:02 pm

Teague is a nice change of pace bench combo guard. If you expect him to ever be more than a Jason Terry type your going to get your feelings hurt. DID WE SIGN SHAQ YET ?

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:02 pm

“You lose all credibility for saying Bibby can ball.”

CAN I GET A WITNESS! Amen CP, amen.

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
8:03 pm

totally off the subject but why in the world did Utah let Wesley Matthew’s walk?? SMH

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
8:05 pm

I KNOW I am slow so can anybody tell me what SMH stands for..I know I will feel small once I find out.

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:06 pm

“Shaking my head”. Took me a while too but now I can’t stop using it.

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
8:07 pm

@ MsDee smh= shaking my head

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:07 pm

MC brings a bit of levity and sense to things, thank goodness.

Funny how summer league means what people want it to mean. A guy does good, and some people want to scoff at that, saying “hey, Marvin and Sheldon did great in summer league, and look how they’ve turned out.”

A guy does bad, and suddenly summer league is direct proof that he is this or that. Absolutely hilarious, but it’s nothing more than a faux chance at saying “I told you so”, which is all some people show up for anyway.

Further amusing is the idea that Woody was riled by Teague’s laid back approach.

Wasn’t this the same guy who infamously created a “fun and loose atmosphere” for these guys to work and practice in? Didn’t we see Josh Smith hamming it up with Woody on that documentary of training camp last year, with Marvin Williams laughing oh-so-goofily in the background? Weren’t guys just nonchalant as hell out there (we saw it ourselves, it was on film), and hasn’t that translated to the court, prompting guys like Joe Johnson and Al Horford to make semi-cryptic statements about guys not being serious or dedicated enough in the playoffs?

Am I blaming this all on Woody? No. But….what can be said? If the several of the more veteran players are F-ing around, then what example does the rookie have?

I expect better out of Drew, I expect better out of the team under Drew, and at least he’s acknowledging that there are problems on that front, and that he will deal with them adroitly.

In the meantime, I’m not going to throw Teague out just yet. I’ve seen too many decent or good point guards struggle early on to make a hasty judgement (Billups, Parker, Felton, Rondo, even Jennings who was given free reign in his team’s offense, and Johnny Flynn to name a few…he’s going to be good).

Let Teague prove himself one way or the other, and that proof won’t come in summer league. He’s closer to rookie than he is sophomore, anyway. Should we also let Jordan Crawford’s ability to score lead us to believe that he needs to play 25+ mpg, right off the bat? While we’re watching his 3 point bombs, we’re not paying attention to his reprehensible defense.

I wonder if Wizards fans are worried about John Wall’s incredible number of turnovers per game? Heh….

Melvin

July 15th, 2010
8:07 pm

I think we sign the 7-4 guy (Moussa Seck)thats on the Mavs SL team as our 13th guy. He’s not a bad looking project.

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:09 pm

dstdeelite, No Idea. Maybe it was just too much $$$ for an undrafted rookie. Utah would know better than us how he plays. They got rid of Brewer, Korver, and now Matthews. I just don’t know what they could be planning.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:09 pm

Often the worst part of a very public job is the public. Doesn’t matter if you are athlete, entertainer, or politician. Need that thick skin & deaf ear to thrive…at least in public.

Ain’t that the truth. At least he gets paid more than most of us “public job” types. I mean, for REAL….

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:11 pm

Heh…y’all wanna know what Garrett Siler is up to these days? How about some summer league footage? Since we ain’t gonna spend anything on vet players, we may as well get him and Richard Hendrix.

I’d take Siler for just this one clip alone, LOL. Even Truth Serum has GOT to like this:

http://www.nba.com/video/games/heat/2010/07/15/1521000033_det_mia_play3.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
8:12 pm

To be fair, some of those guys that Teague played against look like they had been balling for yeeaaaarrrrrs. Whoever signs Gee will be signing a gem. Dude was in beast mode last night. And that’s exactly how he should be in the SL. They are there to showcase their talent not get a free trip to Vegas.

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

July 15th, 2010
8:13 pm

This is Off Topic but who cares. Everybody watch this SHOCKING VIDEO of Lebron LMAO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xlzLOZH5c&feature=youtube_gdata

Anybody who watched wrestling in the 90s has gotta watch that.

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:17 pm

Big Ray once again you pretty much summed it up. The guy played bad for one half thats all. He calmed down in the second half and looked pretty good. Hopefully he has a good game tonight. I will be looking at the Gilder kid. He has some tools but man he is skinny as hell. They should start Aminu and Hendrix together. RandyMo has invisible on the boards and that’s what has killed them, the inability to grab a board.

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:19 pm

dstdeelite I think that Gee kid played for Washington at the end of the season. He has some talent and I wouldnt be shocked to see him make a team.

Latrell

July 15th, 2010
8:24 pm

I’m with those of you who suggest that we go easy on Teague, and give him a chance to prove himself. He’s young and inexperienced, you can’t expect him to develop into a star PG overnight.

Aside from that though, is anyone else surprised by how impressive Jordan Crawford has been thus far? He’s actually consistently been the best player on the Hawks summer league squad thus far and, in my opinion, has looked even more impressive at making plays for other than Teague. Not to mention that this guy looks very comfortable and plays with a great swagger for rookie. It’s too bad that he plays the same position as both Joe and Jamal Crawford, because he could be an immediate rotation player on the Hawks squad if he continues to progress at this level.

♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥

July 15th, 2010
8:24 pm

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:24 pm

CP,

Now RandyMo is a waste of time. He’s been in the league a few years and still can’t NOT foul out of a damn summer league game. Holy crap….

Mike is back

July 15th, 2010
8:25 pm

MC, I seen game 1…I didn’t get a chance to see game two…but I wouldn’t get overly concern with Teague’s play in summer league. He needs this time to grow.

You have guys who have never played together before all trying to learn a new sophisticated offensive system in a couple of weeks…they are going to look bad at times.

However, like Ms.Deestated…this is the time to make mistakes…let him try some stuff… so he can figure some things out.

Doc, I think what Teague is saying…can I please make my mistakes now…so I can be ready when I’m playing with the starters. I ‘m not trying to justify his play…we do need to keep things in perspective.

Let’s face it Teague is going to look terrible some days…and yes his development is crucial to the team, however Summer League is just the first step in the process. Apparently, his performance does matter to him… lets see how he bounces back.

Yeah we WF folk s STICK together like yall GT folks…cut’em slack JACK!!!!!!lol

♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥

July 15th, 2010
8:28 pm

Joe getting the fans told and now Teague. Oh lord, smh.

Whatever, time for the game.

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:32 pm

Big Ray I would have sent RandyMo home on a bus after the fist game. Dude has no fire what so ever. LD is giving him a chance and he just wont rebound the ball. 3D and the other guy were talking about his lack of fire and desire to rebound the ball.

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:34 pm

Great move Teague

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:35 pm

Good they went with Hendrix and Aminu. I like this Hendrix kid

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:40 pm

Teague is playing with more focus

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
8:41 pm

where is the game link?

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:41 pm

Teague with good D early.

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:43 pm

Trey Gilder With the Assist and he Draws a charge!

Mike is back

July 15th, 2010
8:44 pm

where is the game

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:45 pm

Huh. Mr. Teague with a bit of a fast start…

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
8:45 pm

Here’s the link to the game.

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:45 pm

OK

July 15th, 2010
8:45 pm

Samuel

July 15th, 2010
8:46 pm

Clyde,

Ya Boy Sean Williams with the fade-a-way

BigCaliDawg

July 15th, 2010
8:46 pm

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
8:03 pm
totally off the subject but why in the world did Utah let Wesley Matthew’s walk?? SMH

He got WAYYYYYYY overpaid. Had to. Portland must be desperate…….

I heard we gonna trade Joe to Seattle

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:47 pm

smh Luke Jackson

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:48 pm

Got to ATDHE.Net to watch the game for free….

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:49 pm

Heh….

Luke Jackson putting the ball on the floor = disaster

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:50 pm

Good effort from Teague

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
8:51 pm

Very smart play by Teague. Clearly he’s been watching some tapes of Jamal, drawing the foul on the long jumper.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
8:51 pm

Teague haters where are yall!!

cp

July 15th, 2010
8:52 pm

Is Sy still hurt because I dont want to see anymore of Luke Jackson

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:53 pm

There he goes again…

Real Talk

July 15th, 2010
8:53 pm

@ CP Actually Dude had two bad halves one against Memphis and the second one against the Spurs get your facts straight patna looks like you a box score watcher but I understand why because they don’t even play the Hawks games during prime time which I don’t blame NBA TV for that I saw all I need to see in the miserable highlights. I would take turnovers out of an actual ROOKIE anyday than get done in by some people that haven’t even played in a real professional game. If Teague think the D-leaguers was doing him OMG just imagine what Wall and Bledsoe would do to him.

Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:53 pm

I wish I could see the game, but I don’t know how, but I’m kind of glad Teague said that about the fans in his Tweet, but just don’t go overboard. Cause we don’t need the many fair weather fans we have booing our basically 2nd year rookie PG who could turn out to be better than any PG in the league.

GO TEAGUE!!!!! I’m rooting for you

On to the RandyMo thing he just needs to hang up and go overseas or something. Shoot join Josh Smith and train with him. RandMo attitude looks as though he just doesn’t care at all about anything.

Mike is back

July 15th, 2010
8:53 pm

Thanks Najeh

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
8:54 pm

Thx u guys for telling me what SMH means and also the link..thx!!

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:58 pm

LOL…yeah, I’m tired of Luke Jackson too…

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
8:58 pm

That’s Luke’s job…sit on the wing, wait for the pass, hit the 3.

Sports Review

July 15th, 2010
9:00 pm

[...] Atlanta Hawks: Summer spotlight singes TeagueAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 5 news articles » [...]

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:00 pm

Real Talk you just admitted you didnt see the game. Your comments on the subject just became null and void. There are not valid. Sit down and stfu

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:01 pm

Luke with the “Duck” finish…lol..

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:01 pm

These games are so sloppy that it’s hard to tell sometimes whether a guy is actually good. Some of the decisions the scrubs on these teams make are just awful.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:01 pm

“Luke with the “Duck” finish”

That’s an insult to Duck. Luke Jackson’s vertical is probably worse than Dominique Wilkins… right now.

rusty

July 15th, 2010
9:02 pm

give teague a break. he really played good in the first game & played good in the second half of the second game. this kid is good ,he penetrates great & will give the hawks a lot of easy baskets passing off. we will not need a switching defense as he will hold his own on defense. i love his quickness. we will just have to give him some time. as for crawford 2 this kid will be a tremendous player i already see him as being a hell of an explosive player,why the heck did we resign jj when we had the 2 crawfords we wouldnt have missed a beat as both of them are better suited to uptemo basketball than joe

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:04 pm

Oh dang….sweet pass by Crawford, but they couldn’t finish.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:05 pm

Big Ray and OK, these guys are executing a lot better today.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:05 pm

Sweet passes from the backcourt and bad finishes by the frontcourt has been the story of the summer league so far for the Hawks.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:05 pm

Nice defense by the Hawks summer leaguers…they are hard at it tonight.

OK

July 15th, 2010
9:06 pm

GOOOOOO LUKE!!! lol

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:06 pm

Here comes RandMo.

OK

July 15th, 2010
9:07 pm

Nooooo! Randolph BACK! BACKT OT THE BENCH! GET BACK! DOWN BOY! HEAL! HEAL!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:07 pm

Not bad. RandMo battles for the offensive rebound and draws the foul. Good start for him.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:07 pm

Ok. RandMo just got swatted (and fouled) by a no name summer league hopeful, who looks to be SF size….get him the F out of there..

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:08 pm

I don’t know who that white dude is on the Bucks, but he’s gotta be one of the biggest players in the league.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:10 pm

LMBBAO @ RandMo…

OK

July 15th, 2010
9:10 pm

Randolph just got knocked off the block by a scrub smh.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:11 pm

Kinda weird coincidence that the Braves and Hawks are both playing Milwaukee today.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:11 pm

No more RandyMo

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:11 pm

CP ,

I agree. Better poise and execution tonight for the most part. We’ll see how this continues. Larry Sanders has some skills…

SWAT Native

July 15th, 2010
9:12 pm

Just as an aside, Jevele McGhee looks nice on the Wizards game playing with Wall. I wish that trade for Chills actually happened.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:12 pm

RandMo has at least 40 pounds on Larry Sanders, the guy that pushed him out of the post. That is pretty sad.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:13 pm

Damn we have some of the worst finishing bigs ever

Real Talk

July 15th, 2010
9:14 pm

@ CP I would rather watch John Wall a real PG on prime time than watch Teague try to develop. Jordan Crawford has already surpass him in development and will eventfully pass him in minutes.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:15 pm

Only thing wrong with that pass from Teague was that he threw it to RandMo…..epic FAIL

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:15 pm

I like Sanders and I dislike RandyMo. He cant rebound , is getting pushed off the block, and now fumbling passes that hit him in the hand

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:16 pm

Real Talk ,

In that case, become a Wizards fan.

rusty

July 15th, 2010
9:16 pm

where is this game being shown

Sports Review

July 15th, 2010
9:17 pm

[...] Atlanta Hawks: Summer spotlight singes TeagueAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 6 news articles » [...]

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:17 pm

Real Talk just stop posting. Trying to debate on a subject where you didnt witness any live footage was bad enough but you just keep coming back for more. Just log off and take a nap

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:18 pm

rusty its about 4 links to the game on the first page near the bottom. but here you go http://atdhe.net/

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:19 pm

@Real Talk how could JC2 surpass Teague when he’s only played in 2 now 3 summer league games that doesn’t make much sense.

The guy hasn’t even played one NBA Regular Season game let alone played in the Summer Camp or Pre-season.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:22 pm

Hendrix and Aminu look worthy of a camp invite. The way this summer is going they might end up making the team.

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:22 pm

From what most of you guys are saying on this blog I’m on the Bandwagon that wants RandyMo out of ATL.

Mike is back

July 15th, 2010
9:24 pm

Najeh, you must have read my mind…these games are killing me…no shot blocking, no rebounds, and somebody please finish strong going to the rack.

I’m out folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real Talk

July 15th, 2010
9:24 pm

@ Cp Teague just turned the ball over before the half which lead to a Bucks Layup SMDH @ Ray Crawford is a Rookie and already playing like a real pro. @ Big Ray just might take that into consideration cause it seems like everybody else in the east is making changes except Home team.

OK

July 15th, 2010
9:26 pm

I wasnt sure about RandMo after last season because he STILL didn’t get any PT, but this summer league has left NO DOUBT in my mind. Randolph has just been demoted to EXTRA scrub status.

HoosierHawk

July 15th, 2010
9:27 pm

Interesting side story….. Kelvin Samspon is coaching the Bucks tonight, and was Crawford’s coach his freshman year at IU. Coincidence why he isn’t scoring? Maybe, maybe not.

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:31 pm

@Real Talk there are many people that went through the summer league and played like real pro’s that turned out to be a bust big time.

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
9:32 pm

I’m confused. Why are we posting up Augustine?
Side note: Crawford has a silky smooth jumper.

ICECOLD

July 15th, 2010
9:33 pm

i like bibby… he is one of my favorite players ever.. and i think that he should start this year coming up.. because jeff teague should wait one more year to start..but jordan crawford needs to start at the two, and joe johnson needs to start at the three… can you imagine the fire power in the offense that larry drew is running with two pure scorers in it!!! do it..\

fire woody!!!

Real Talk

July 15th, 2010
9:33 pm

@ Ray Name me 1 if you can

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:33 pm

Nice play Teague

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:33 pm

Nice and-1 by Teague.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:34 pm

Nice airball by Sean Williams.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:35 pm

Once again Teague breakign ankles

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:35 pm

Say what you want about Teague’s ability to run an offense (which still needs a lot of work), his jump shot (which needs work), or his confidence (which sounds like it needs work based on the comments he made), but there is no denying the man can get to the rim at will, and that’s something nobody else on the Hawks can really do.

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:35 pm

@ Real Talk can’t name one off the top of my head I’ll be honest, but I’m almost certain that there have been players like that all the time.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:35 pm

Teague with the speed an elusiveness. A little more aggression never hurts…

HoosierHawk

July 15th, 2010
9:36 pm

I’d take Hendrix over Morris any day. Only thing i haven’t liked out of him so far is he coulda tried a little harder when he was the only one back on that fast break. he quit.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:38 pm

Damn nice pass by Teague

HoosierHawk

July 15th, 2010
9:41 pm

As weary as I have been about the PG situation, Teague and Bibby can each bring something different to the table, which I like. Teague has shown me he can drive and create, which we havent had. Bibby makes less mistakes and can shoot the 3.

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:41 pm

Damn The Galdyr Boy My god nice shot wow!

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:41 pm

Gladyr just made the luckiest shot of his life.

Melvin

July 15th, 2010
9:41 pm

Glaydr doing his Manu impression….

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:42 pm

It made have been a lucky shot, but it was a darn good one Najeh just saying.

Astro Joe

July 15th, 2010
9:43 pm

Doesn’t Hendrix have a contract to play in Europe next season?

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:43 pm

oops mean to say it may have not made typo my bad.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:43 pm

Strong 3rd quarter from Teague. He is fun to watch when he is aggressive like that

HoosierHawk

July 15th, 2010
9:44 pm

People also forget Jamal isnt bad at the point. Given he soots more than he facilitates, he logged a lot of PG minutes last year.

tyger

July 15th, 2010
9:45 pm

Shaq for Marvin by tommorrow. Damn, too much for Shaq!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:46 pm

Teague has looked a lot better in this game, but JC2 has looked correspondingly worse than the last two games.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:47 pm

I was critical of Luke Jackson earlier but he has had a solid game

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:47 pm

RT @CavsWITNESS: CLE radio reporting ATL radio reporting Shaq trade. ATL radio reporting CLE radio reporting Shaq trade 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
9:49 pm

^^ That’s from MC’s twitter. Not sure whether it means something is happening or if they are just clowning on the radio stations.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:50 pm

Davidson looks just like Wacka Flocka Flames

Melvin

July 15th, 2010
9:52 pm

Shaq to Atl trade rumors heating up….

northcyde

July 15th, 2010
9:52 pm

Teague . . . this is all people wanted to see. Just show some leadership and some aggression on both ends of the court. As long as you do that, you won’t hear many complaints from the fans. No more complaining or excuses. Just go out there and show people if you can ball or not.

Great 3rd qtr by JT

Ray

July 15th, 2010
9:56 pm

@Najeh Davenpoop that’s the thing JC2 was bound to have a terrible game, but this is a learning experience it doesn’t make or break either one of them now the others it does cause their hoping to get started in the NBA I’d say the Hawks might want to look into these guys playing in the summer league at least I’d hope so cause Sund missed out on the FA period it seems like.

cp

July 15th, 2010
9:56 pm

Are we at least gettign Moon back in the Shaq trade?

Fresh

July 15th, 2010
9:58 pm

SMGDH…Terrible Trade.

Fire Shaq!!

MannyT

July 15th, 2010
9:59 pm

I hope the trade is not true. Who is going to start @SF for us if we give up the only guy on the roster besides JJ that physically fits the job?

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:01 pm

“this is a learning experience it doesn’t make or break either one of them now the others it does cause their hoping to get started in the NBA”

Yeah I agree, but that’s why I really only care about how well Teague and JC2 do (and to a lesser extent Gladyr and Sy since their rights remain with the Hawks and they could join the team in the future). Even if Gilder or Aminu or someone like that makes the team, they are not going to play, so their performance here is really quite irrelevant. I’m not worried about JC2 — it’s not like he didn’t make any good plays today at all or something — but I’d like to see one game when both of them are on their game.

dstdeelite

July 15th, 2010
10:01 pm

JC2 is fearless. I love it!

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:02 pm

If the trade is true, the next step is to get Matt Barnes in here to play SF. Someone who can D up has to play SF for this team as long as LeBron is in the division. I’m happy with the trade though; clear some salary, boost ticket sales, unload an unproductive player with a long term contract, and make life easier on Josh and Al inside.

Melvin

July 15th, 2010
10:03 pm

I followed a tweet and it looks like Marvin maybe out of here…

cp

July 15th, 2010
10:05 pm

I dont like the trade either thats why I asked are we at least getting Moon back and a first rounder

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
10:08 pm

Calling all Teague Haters!!

cp

July 15th, 2010
10:09 pm

Barnes is about to sign with Boston or Miami. Crawford played a lot of pg tonight and lot Eric Snow said, he is better at the 2 because playing the point takes away his aggressiveness. Great game by Teague… Hendrix, Aminu, Davidson,Crawford, and Jackson all played well too.

mountain_jim

July 15th, 2010
10:10 pm

Giving Marvin for just FA Shaq would be a terrible trade

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:10 pm

“Im still persuaded that teague is not the point guard of atlanta’s future and id prefer giving Crawford that chance.”

Teague looked very good in today’s game. I really don’t mind either one taking over at point guard — although Teague looks more comfortable playing the point than JC2 — but as long as it’s not Bibby either one is fine with me.

Latrell

July 15th, 2010
10:10 pm

The only guys I would trade for Shaq are Zaza, Bibby, and Mo. You don’t trade young prospects for 38 year old retirees.

Ray

July 15th, 2010
10:11 pm

I hope ASG isn’t this stupid to pull off just a player swap cause if they did Cleveland would be robbing us blind.

While I understand people may want Marvin out of here still he’s worth more than how much they got with Josh C.

Still I think this trade is false I’m almost sure it is(I hope).

mountain_jim

July 15th, 2010
10:12 pm

from sqwuawk poster: Sekou said the hawks are not considering trading marvin for shaq.

Take it for what it’s worth

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2010
10:12 pm

Finally, we won one.

Jody

July 15th, 2010
10:12 pm

I don’t get why that trade is a horrible move. Anyways, I thought Teague regrouped very well tonight and Jordan Crawford continues to impress.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:13 pm

Sean Williams had zero blocks in 14 minutes. Just saying…

cp

July 15th, 2010
10:13 pm

I’m not a Marvin fan but man we better be getting more than Shaq back in this trade. Something tells me if we get Shaq its going to blow up in our face. As soon as things don’t go his way the locker room is done.

Latrell

July 15th, 2010
10:13 pm

“Teague looked very good in today’s game. I really don’t mind either one taking over at point guard — although Teague looks more comfortable playing the point than JC2 — but as long as it’s not Bibby either one is fine with me.”

lol, Najeh. Do you really hate Bibby that much?

Ray

July 15th, 2010
10:14 pm

@Latrell I wouldn’t trade Zaza or Bibby away maybe Mo Evans, but then again I wouldn’t trade any of them.

Cause their Role Players and darn good ones too.

cp

July 15th, 2010
10:15 pm

Larry Sanders is going to be good for the Bucks. Dude plays hard the whole time he is on the court. He is going to be big for them this year.

JSS

July 15th, 2010
10:15 pm

@ Big Ray..
per 8:11PM, I promised to never mention the aforementioned UFA again… However, the even funnier clip is the one of his finish o entry pass from the previous game… I will not posted it per said agreemet. I get tired of being cursed from the Iberian Peninsula… No offense intended… How many fouls does RandMo have?

Fresh

July 15th, 2010
10:16 pm

Najeh,

Stop trying to makeup trade rumors SMH.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:17 pm

“lol, Najeh. Do you really hate Bibby that much?”

I don’t hate Bibby. I’m still glad the Hawks got him for a few banana peels and some America Online CDs back in 2008 and he helped lift the Hawks to the playoffs. But he is done. There is one thing he does well now, and that’s shoot 3’s; and he doesn’t even do that well enough and consistently enough to warrant him being on the floor as a starter. The Hawks need a quicker, defensively better point guard who can drive inside and break down a defense. Bibby is best suited to being a shooter off the bench at this point in time.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
10:19 pm

Not bad. Defense earned a blowout. That, and Teague played with more poise and aggression.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:19 pm

“Stop trying to makeup trade rumors SMH.”

What trade rumor did I make up? I just commented on the trade rumor that’s a) been going around for a few days and b) has been heating up in the last couple of hours. Wasn’t my idea.

OK

July 15th, 2010
10:19 pm

Any trade that doesn’t Involve eithe MO Evans or Mike Bibby is a COMPLETE FAILURE. Sund isn’t stupid enough to give Marvin away and still have Mo Evans on the roster is he?

If we trade for shaq he better use the MLE to get BOTH Richard Jefferson and Josh Howard…or Trey Gilder lol.

The Big Eclair doesnt deserve more than 5mill. Why would he want to come to a team that he just made weaker by coming over in a trade when he can be here without one? Maybe he doesn’t want to win again? What are his motives? He’s just MONEY HUNGRY!

Jermaine

July 15th, 2010
10:19 pm

What is the infatuation with Shaq all about? Seriously, how many teams have tried out the Shaq experiment before us and failed? Remember when the Suns reportedly picked up Shaq to guard the one big man they could never contain, Tim Duncan? What did that get them? A first round playoff defeat, and Duncan dominated Shaq anyway. After that, do you remember when the Cavaliers decided to pick up shaq in hopes to have an answer for dwight howard in the playoffs? Where did that get them? It led them to an even earlier playoff exit than when they didn’t have Shaq. I don’t know what the Hawks are thinking, but it’s plain as day to see what Shaq does not fit in well with the up-tempo style of play that the Hawks are going to be running. Also, on the defensive end, Shaq is a huge liability against the pick-and-roll and against mobile big men.

If he could come down to earth and realize that he is a role player at this stage of his career, I wouldn’t mind bringing him off the bench, but he’s got to be kidding thinking he deserves a starting role on this team.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:22 pm

“how many teams have tried out the Shaq experiment before us and failed?”

Three of Shaq’s teams made the NBA finals with him, two of them won, and another one won 60 games in the regular season with him. The only team on which he could be considered a “failure” was Phoenix, and that team wasn’t going to make the Finals starting two of the league’s worst defensive players anyway. Say what you want about his ego, but very little in his career can be characterized as “failing”.

ignition

July 15th, 2010
10:22 pm

Glad to see the Teague came back strong..
I’m am a little concerned however, cause Teague used to pull disappearing acts in college at Wake like in the tournament. When Teague was focused he was unstoppable but he suffered from mental laspes in some games. Rondo was like that at Kentucky so I only hope Teague has that kind of development and be just as consistent.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2010
10:23 pm

Truth Serum ,

If we’re going to go bare minimum, we may as well latch onto a project like Siler….

As for Teague, we really don’t know if he is or isn’t our pg of the future. We’ll find out, though. Jordan Crawford is less comfortable playing the PG position, but it’s foolish for anybody to think he won’t get a shot at it. He has here in the summer league, and his performance will be gauged in both training camp and preseason. We’ll see what happens. But the onus is on Teague. Perform or get ready for another 9 mpg season….

Fresh

July 15th, 2010
10:23 pm

OK,

Good post. My point exactly. Why trade one of your young starters for Shaq, when all you do is create another hole at another position? Simply sign Shaq outright and let’s move on with our summer.

PD

July 15th, 2010
10:24 pm

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
10:25 pm

Jermaine,

That’s when Shaq had nothing to prove. But now that both LeBron and Wade are both on the same team w/o him, he will want to prove to them and the last 3 teams he played on that he still can control the paint and that’s basically all we would need from him. And if he feels he could start with that mentally, than sign him up. If he doesnt perform, bench him for Zaza.

Fresh

July 15th, 2010
10:27 pm

“three of Shaq’s teams made the NBA finals with him, two of them won, and another one won 60 games in the regular season with him.”

Najeh,

That was like 5-7 years ago. Shaq isn’t anywhere near the old Shaq that ran on diesel feul. He now runs on regular unleaded…

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:27 pm

Regardless, even if the Hawks acquire Shaq to start, presumably he would only be playing 20-25 minutes per game and Smoove and Horford would continue to play the majority of the minutes at the big man positions. Nobody is assuming he is going to come in and average 20 and 10 and play 35 minutes a game like he did in his prime.

The Hawks, though, are at a point right now where they have to win now if they want to win. Some of y’all who keep talking about Marvin’s “potential” need to realize that the Hawks are past the point of waiting on potential. Joe Johnson has two or three years left in his prime, and this team is better off acquiring proven players to address their needs rather than holding on to not-so-promising prospects who have been given several chances to succeed but may or may not ever become productive. If the Hawks want to win now, they have to get past Orlando. And if they want to get past Orlando, they need Shaq. It’s that simple.

Jermaine

July 15th, 2010
10:28 pm

Najeh, I was referring to teams who recruited Shaq in hopes to stop a single player (e.g. Howard, Duncan) once he was well beyond his prime. I should have made that clear.

Don’t get me wrong, Shaq had an incredible career, but his best years are long gone. This isn’t the same player that won those titles back in the day. (On a side note, you have to remember that Shaq didn’t lead those teams to victory single-handedly. He always had superstar teammates and effective role players on those championship squads.) At this point in time, I’d argue that the past Shaq experiments with Phoenix and Cleveland were disappointments. It’s not all Shaq’s fault, mainly management didn’t take into account that he simply wasn’t a good fit for either of those teams. At any rate, Cleveland won more games without Shaq and Phoenix was far more effective with their run-and-gun game than with the slowed-down Shaq-oriented offense.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:30 pm

That said, if the Hawks do trade Marvin for Shaq, they will have to find a small forward with part of the MLE who can guard LeBron. Thankfully, finding good defensive small forwards on the cheap is much, much easier than finding good defensive centers on the cheap, which is why I’m fine with trading Marvin for Shaq. Bring in Ronnie Brewer or Matt Barnes with part or all of the MLE and plug him in at SF. Problem solved.

O'Brien

July 15th, 2010
10:31 pm

Another reason for shaq to want to come here is because he would get 4 games against Howard, and 4 games against Miami and the superfriends.

And shaq loves that kind of spotlight. And that might get hawks more TV games.

As for the trade, I am okay with trading Marvin for shaq. But I Would insist on jamario moon in return as well.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
10:31 pm

Shaq is the best center option for us right now..plus he will help sell tks immediately. I really would like to see butts in seats while I watch the games at home on TV..LOL!!

tidog

July 15th, 2010
10:35 pm

Mike Bibby game has declined with age like all ballers will. Bibby was winning National Championships, breaking Derick Fisher ankles and giving Kobe, Shaq and the Lakers all they wanted when most of you guys were still in your highchair eating Gerbers.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:35 pm

Jermaine, Shaq was brought in to Cleveland to match up against Dwight Howard, but the Cavs never got a chance to go against the Magic this year in the playoffs. In my opinion, their loss to the Celtics had more to do with LeBron shooting 44% and averaging 7 turnovers per game for the series and Mo Williams’ defensive deficiencies than it did with Shaq.

I’m not under the illusion that he’s going to come in here and anchor this team. But there’s no question he will match up with Dwight Howard better than anyone currently on this roster. Ideally, if the Hawks can sign Shaq for the mid-level and hold on to Marvin for now that would be better for the Hawks, but if they have to execute the Marvin-for-Shaq deal to ensure that some other team doesn’t swoop in and get him, I’m fine with it.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
10:39 pm

The HawksPRGuy saids it is a rumored someone started about Shaq and Marvin trade..he also said,
HawksPRGuy: I have no idea…rumors running wild tonight and the Hawks BKB staff is sitting together watching the game. I think if something was up, we would know about it.

MsDee

July 15th, 2010
10:41 pm

DANG, I was hoping it was true…well getting Shaq but not giving up Marvin though.

Freshmaker

July 15th, 2010
10:41 pm

PDcavsinsider #Cavs & Hawks have talked but there’s no sign-and-trade w/Shaq coming. Doesn’t sound like either party is very interested now.

Freshmaker

July 15th, 2010
10:44 pm

Why some of you guys are so enamored with Marvin all of a sudden is beyond me. I’m fine with keeping him but if you can get Shaq in return you do it. Get rid of Marvin’s not awful but not stellar either contract. He can be easily replaced. Shaq is the only big out there that we can get with any hope of slowing down Howard. He wouldn’t start but we don’t need him to. Whatever it takes to get him, you do it.

TryingHardToBeAFan

July 15th, 2010
10:49 pm

Teague the starting PG.???..chuckle J Smooth used as trade Bait. U think he is happy about that?
Drew had All the answers sitting on the Bench NEXT to Woody.Man I tell ya

Vincent

July 15th, 2010
10:58 pm

I personally think that the best bargain FA big man available this off-season was Jermaine O’neal. He’s still got a lot of gas left in the tank (unlike Shaq), and although he looked to be in serious decline this year, I think the majority of it had to do with lack of motivation. For the MLE, he’s a steal. It’s too bad that the Celtics beat everyone to him. The guy is a big body with decent mobility, shot blocking, and a solid mid-range game. He could have played well alongside either Josh or Al, considering he doesn’t post-up much anymore or clog the paint, giving Al and Josh plenty of room to operate in the paint. Also, he’s still quick enough to play an up-tempo style. I have to give the celtics props, they always seem to make nice off-season moves.

Dante Fitzgerald

July 15th, 2010
11:11 pm

Marvin Williams would rather want a rubiks cube in his hands than a basketball!!!! Trade this scrub for Shaq!

northcyde

July 15th, 2010
11:11 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2010
10:22 pm
“how many teams have tried out the Shaq experiment before us and failed?”

Three of Shaq’s teams made the NBA finals with him, two of them won, and another one won 60 games in the regular season with him. The only team on which he could be considered a “failure” was Phoenix, and that team wasn’t going to make the Finals starting two of the league’s worst defensive players anyway. Say what you want about his ego, but very little in his career can be characterized as “failing”.

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Exactly. Because in that Phoenix – San Antonio series, it wasn’t Duncan that killed the Suns . . it was Tony Parker continuously blowing by Steve Nash that did it.

Josh

July 15th, 2010
11:14 pm

ESPN radio is reporting Marvin Williams is being traded to the Cavs in a sign and trade for SHAQ.

northcyde

July 15th, 2010
11:15 pm

Fresh

July 15th, 2010
10:27 pm
“three of Shaq’s teams made the NBA finals with him, two of them won, and another one won 60 games in the regular season with him.”

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If Zaza averaged 12 ppg and 7 rebs in 23 minutes like Shaq did last year, people around here would be touting Zaza as one of the most efficient centers in the league.

PER 36 MINUTE numbers

Shaq: 18 ppg – 10 rebs – 57% FG

You’re not going to find many centers around the league that can produce PER 36 numbers as good as that . . . including our very own Al Horford.

Don’t get it twisted. Shaq isn’t the most dominant force in the universe, like he used to be. But he’s still better than 75% of the centers in the league.

northcyde

July 15th, 2010
11:17 pm

If the trade is true . . . then I wish Marvin well. This will be a good place to establish his career with. I wonder what the final deal is for, if the trade went through?

LOL @ people calling Shaq a “scrub”. I don’t know what NBA people are watching.

JeJe

July 15th, 2010
11:20 pm

Josh

July 15th, 2010
11:14 pm

ESPN radio is reporting Marvin Williams is being traded to the Cavs in a sign and trade for SHAQ.”

Is he BEING traded or CLOSE to being traded? Twitter says it’s close

FIRE WOODY
FIRE SUND

JeJe

July 15th, 2010
11:21 pm

I’m telling you all, if ASG wants to really spend the minimum, get Damien Wilkins. He is 6″6, will literally cost the bare minimum, and dropped 41 on Joe 3 years ago (I was at that game). He can score points and is better than Mo Evans.

I think he plays defense too. No one in the NBA wants him. Sign him for SCRAPS AND BONES

Dan's Dickau

July 15th, 2010
11:26 pm

Damien Wilkins = Mo Evans.

Unless somebody’s coming with Shaq, this is a stupid short-sighted deal. Everybody forgets how good Williams was two years ago. Don’t do this trade.

Josh

July 15th, 2010
11:30 pm

ESPN Clevleland is also reporting the sign and trade for Shaq is happening. It appears Marvin’s days as a Hawk are done.

Hawk n the Ham

July 15th, 2010
11:35 pm

Via ESPN Cleveland:

“As previously believed, ESPN radio in Atlanta is reporting the #Cavs are close to sending Shaq to the Hawks for Marvin Williams in S&T.”
about 3 hours ago via web

Josh

July 15th, 2010
11:38 pm

MSNBC sports posted article at 10:57 PM titled, “Shaq to Hawks for Marvin still has legs.” They are reporting the deal is also almost complete.

Rev in Tampa

July 15th, 2010
11:52 pm

I am not getting my hopes up about Shaq coming to Atlanta, but I have revised my thinking about the Marvin for Shaq trade. Originally I was againt it because I believe that Marvin still has a lot of unrealized potential, so trading Marvin would hurt the Hawks in the future. But the Hawks won 53 games without Marvin’s ‘potential’ being realized. He was very average at best. The future is NOW. The Hawks will win a championship next year or not in the next decade (JJ’s contract will become more of an anchor around the neck than Bibby’s is now). So trade for Shaq, replace Marvin’s average contribution with an easy to find average contribution and go single-mindedly after that CHAMPIONSHIP! Props to Najeh since this is basically his argument.

Hoops

July 16th, 2010
12:34 am

When you make a trade, you want to win the trade for your team! It is possible for both teams to win. If the Hawks trade Marvin for Shaq they will lose that trade unless there are more pieces to the trade!

Cavs get-Marvin (starter),Evans (sub w/expiring contract), Bibby (sub/starter), send PTE-$2M
Total salaries-$16.7M

Hawks get-Shaq (sub), Mo Williams (starter that they want to trade), Hickson (sub/starter), receive PTE-$2M
Total salaries-$16.7M

BOTH TEAMS WIN!!!

Gamer

July 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

I think Teague will take his new assignments serious during the summer leagues and during camps with the veterans players. I think Larry Drew will emphasize these importances on Teague.

Because he must understand the importances of his position.

Now is the time to apply great pressure on him to see what will come out of him.

TrueHawk

July 19th, 2010
7:25 pm

For those interested: Othello Hunter was very good in summer league. Never translated to real minutes during the regular season. That is just one for @ Real Talk and Ray. You were right. There are many others. And I can name some more.