Atlanta Hawks: Are you starvin’ to send away Marvin?
Las Vegas–I know my blog people have been trying to trade Marvin (and Bibby) with every conceivable and inconceivable permutation of fantasy deals. My favorite thing is when the proposals go like this: “Marvin and Bibby are terrible and their contracts are burdens. The Hawks should trade them for (fill in the blank with better players with more reasonable contracts).”
So do you want Marvin gone so badly that you’d swap him for 38-year old Shaq as a two-year-rental-at-most off the bench? David Aldridge reports that the Cavs are dangling Shaq in a sign-and-trade proposal for Marvin. Since the Hawks could just sign Shaq using the mid-level exception if they want him (which still isn’t certain) the Cavs presumably are counting on Atlanta’s desire to shed Marvin’s contract as the primary motivation for a trade.
Assuming Shaq gets the two-year deal he wants, Atlanta’s savings would total the difference between their salaries over the next two seasons plus the final two seasons of Marvin’s deal (assuming he exercises his option year)
For 2010-11, the Hawks’ savings would be the difference between the $6.7 million owed Marvin and Shaq’s new salary. For 2011-12, the savings would be Marvin’s $7.5 million salary minus Shaq’s salary. Shaq and Marvin would both be off the books in 2012-13, when Marvin makes $8.3 million, and the Hawks wouldn’t be on the hook for Marvin’s $7.5 million option in 2013-14.
Since this is all premature talk at this point, I won’t get into how the Hawks would go about replacing Marvin in the lineup. The Hawks still aren’t sure if Shaq would be a good fit even if he is willing to take less than the mid-level. Also, Marvin still has support within the organization, with the hope that L.D.’s new system will make a big difference in his production.
As for Aldridge’s contention that the Hawks aren’t willing to pay much more than the minimum due to “budget limitations,” all I can tell you is that everything I’ve heard suggests they are willing to exceed the luxury-tax threshold for the right player(s). I get the feeling that player isn’t Shaq.
MC
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538 comments Add your comment
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:57 pm
damn… wtf..
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:57 pm
That was an ugly foul
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:57 pm
injure one of the spurs players
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:58 pm
where is pop?
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:58 pm
These spurs players need to calm down
O'Brien
July 14th, 2010
7:59 pm
If Jamal plays like Jamal, and JJ plays like JJ, where is drew supposed to find minutes for JC2?
The minutes are not there unless somebody gets hurt.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:00 pm
Has Pape Sy played 2day?
Wabe
July 14th, 2010
8:00 pm
It’s not the fact people are putting up points in summer league, it’s the skill set people bring.
In JC2’s case, the kid can shoot.
He has range.
That’s not something that you have to *worry* about translating.
Defensively, he’s gonna have to step up to the challenge.
But, the kid is gifted offensively. It’s not just summer league, because the kid was doing this in college. He has a solid all-around offensive game.
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:00 pm
I concur, where Is Pape Sy?
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:01 pm
No, he hasn’t played. Luke Jackson and Sirgey have gotten his minutes. Along with Teague
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:03 pm
Luke Jackson shouldn’t even see the floor. How does he get more time than Sy
Ken Strickland
July 14th, 2010
8:03 pm
OBRIEN-Which of Marvin’s numbers are you expecting Matt Barnes to duplicate? Matt’s best yr in his 7yr career was in 08 when he played with SNash in Phoenix. His numbers that yr were: 27MPG, 10.2PPG, 5.4RPG, 2.8APG, with a .423FG%. Now compare MBarnes best production in 08 to Marvins worst production as a starter in 09. MARVIN: 30.5MPG, 10.1PPG, 5.1RPG, 1.1APG, with a .455FG%.
MBarnes has had the benefit of playing with PG Steve Nash, a 2 time MVP and future HOFer, and PG JNelson, an All Star. Unfortunately, Marvin has had to play with career backup PG’s like TLue, AJohnson and RIvey, as well as a rapidly declining MBibby. But, if Marvin is traded, I certainly wouldn’t have a problem with MBarnes.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:05 pm
JT is playing better
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:06 pm
Looks like Teague has finaly calmed down. Great pass another terrible finish
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:06 pm
See Teague’s passes always get messed up
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:08 pm
Teague only has one other person to pass to. And thats JC2. Everubody else sucks thats why he cant get ast
Blast
July 14th, 2010
8:09 pm
It is so easy to get Hawks fans worked up. If this is true, all it says is the Cavs made an offer. Does not mean the ASG will do it. You trade Marvin, then you have to find a quality 3 that can defend LeBron. If the team has a chance of signing Shaq straight up, why give up Marvin?
Happy to see Marvin get some blog love at last after two steady years of bashing. I really believe he will flourish with coach Drew who said it as much: Marvin had no defined role on the team.
LeBron really messed up the Cavs, badly. Now the Cavs are scrambling. This ESPN article says it all.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?page=Cavs-100714
What happened to them good ole days when it was all about beating the best? And not joining the best to form a mega-pride of alpha-beasts? Really curious to see how things work out in Miami.
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:09 pm
thats just not a smart play from Jeff..
he doesnt change pace a lot.. he always goes at the same speed.. use your quickness Jeff..
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:09 pm
and just as i say it he turns it over again lol
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8:10 pm
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Najeh Davenpoop
July 14th, 2010
8:11 pm
” drafting al horford. ( did he do that or was that billy knight )”
That was BK.
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:12 pm
This Gilder kid has some tools to work with. Dude has some long azz arms
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:13 pm
Did Pape Sy punch someone. Why hasn’t he played?
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:14 pm
cp..
gilder has some bunnies too.. he can get up..
ICECOLD
July 14th, 2010
8:14 pm
just thought about it.. i dont wanna see marvin go.. at all.. nobody should be traded or nothin.. just peaces should be added.. domique set the franchise record with 57 wins in one season.. this team just had 53 wins.. we are already better with the adition of jordan crawford… now we just need that one big man off the bench who is better then zaza… and we would be alright.. zaza can back up josh smith at power forward.. for real
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:15 pm
why hasn’t Sy played? he was nice in his first game
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:16 pm
I really wanna know whay Sy isn’t playng. We could use another playmaker. Woodson has scarred Teague like he’s done with other young players. The boy is still scared to shoot a jumper!
Daddy Long Long
July 14th, 2010
8:17 pm
Leave Messy Marv alone! LOLOLOLOL I want to “Shaqlanta” on a big billboard on peachtree but not at the expense of our wing man Marvin. Hang in there Marvin, AND bibby who helped bring this franchise back to winning. Just ask Coach Woody Wood!!
Pushin for Brad Miller to get on board. BOILER UP!! BOILER UP!!
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:18 pm
bigdave I like what i see from Gilder. Solid game from the kid. Nice touch from the free throw line and like u said he can hop
JoJo the Godfather
July 14th, 2010
8:20 pm
Sy has a sore achilles.
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:20 pm
Sign Trey Gilder.
Trade Mo Evans
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:21 pm
Randolph is pure trash on the glass.
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:22 pm
Hawks just cant rebound
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:22 pm
Dang Randolph! U SUCK REBOUND THE BALL BUTTERFINGERS!!!!
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:22 pm
Man can the Hawks rebound. RandMo SUCKS ASS
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:23 pm
Randolph lazy.
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:23 pm
Randolph not boxing out.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:24 pm
God Morris Box out idiot
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:24 pm
RandMo just guaranteed he wont make the team
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:24 pm
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew…
55… BOW!
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
JC2 is trying to save us.
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
If the Hawks could rebound this would be a totally different game
Melvin
July 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
RandMo will not get a (defensive) rebound or play defense to save his sole. He act like he’s glued to the floor….
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
RandMo makes Kwame Brown look like a legit PRO
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:26 pm
Crawford with tha sick nastyness AGAIN!
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
8:27 pm
Gilder work!! good job.. ball denial preventing Gee .. kid is loooooong.. and pretty good footwork
OK
July 14th, 2010
8:27 pm
Teague needs to get down in a better defensive stance though. Jerrels is running circles around him.
J from the A
July 14th, 2010
8:28 pm
Teague is looking much better than he did in the first half.
JC2 has looked good all game.
And who is that GLider kid? He looks like he has some potential … just skinny as can be,
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
8:29 pm
I would tell Randmo to pack his damn bags and go sleep in a dumpster.
He makes me sick. I would rather have Bibby as our Center than Randmo
cp
July 14th, 2010
8:29 pm
Smh.These bigs dont know wtf a rebound is