Atlanta Hawks: Are you starvin’ to send away Marvin?
Las Vegas–I know my blog people have been trying to trade Marvin (and Bibby) with every conceivable and inconceivable permutation of fantasy deals. My favorite thing is when the proposals go like this: “Marvin and Bibby are terrible and their contracts are burdens. The Hawks should trade them for (fill in the blank with better players with more reasonable contracts).”
So do you want Marvin gone so badly that you’d swap him for 38-year old Shaq as a two-year-rental-at-most off the bench? David Aldridge reports that the Cavs are dangling Shaq in a sign-and-trade proposal for Marvin. Since the Hawks could just sign Shaq using the mid-level exception if they want him (which still isn’t certain) the Cavs presumably are counting on Atlanta’s desire to shed Marvin’s contract as the primary motivation for a trade.
Assuming Shaq gets the two-year deal he wants, Atlanta’s savings would total the difference between their salaries over the next two seasons plus the final two seasons of Marvin’s deal (assuming he exercises his option year)
For 2010-11, the Hawks’ savings would be the difference between the $6.7 million owed Marvin and Shaq’s new salary. For 2011-12, the savings would be Marvin’s $7.5 million salary minus Shaq’s salary. Shaq and Marvin would both be off the books in 2012-13, when Marvin makes $8.3 million, and the Hawks wouldn’t be on the hook for Marvin’s $7.5 million option in 2013-14.
Since this is all premature talk at this point, I won’t get into how the Hawks would go about replacing Marvin in the lineup. The Hawks still aren’t sure if Shaq would be a good fit even if he is willing to take less than the mid-level. Also, Marvin still has support within the organization, with the hope that L.D.’s new system will make a big difference in his production.
As for Aldridge’s contention that the Hawks aren’t willing to pay much more than the minimum due to “budget limitations,” all I can tell you is that everything I’ve heard suggests they are willing to exceed the luxury-tax threshold for the right player(s). I get the feeling that player isn’t Shaq.
MC
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538 comments Add your comment
J from the A
July 14th, 2010
7:09 pm
Ummm …. isn’t Teague supposed to be dominating? He is looking almost as – gasp- “scrubbish” as the rest of the SLers. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:10 pm
It would be nice if someone boxed out
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:13 pm
One thing I would tell Teague is that when all else fails u can still Play Great Defense. Your gonna have days when things aren’t clicking but u can still play D.
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:13 pm
Teague is attacking the rim now. Thats what i want to see.
J from the A
July 14th, 2010
7:14 pm
1 assist 6 turnovers. I don’t care if you are a defensive improvement over Bibby. 6 TOs in a half against scrubs is unacceptable.
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:15 pm
i dunno.. Jeff needs to be a little more vocal in my opinion if he wants to take command of this team.. he’s a little quiet..
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:18 pm
Alright he is playing better now. Getting into the lane and dropping the ball off to the bigs
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:19 pm
pull up Teague..
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:21 pm
Yea bigdave he does but right now he is really struggling with the turnovers
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:21 pm
good d.. Mareo..! Jordan Crawford looking better defending off screens..
T3AMDIM3
July 14th, 2010
7:21 pm
AYO TEAUGE 4 POINTS 9 TURNOVERS REALLY WANT HIM TO START
J from the A
July 14th, 2010
7:21 pm
eight
T3AMDIM3
July 14th, 2010
7:22 pm
ID RATHER CRAWFORD RUN POINT THEN JEFF
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:23 pm
Crawford and Hendrix have probably been the only thing positive from the first half. Teague has been terrible.
T3AMDIM3
July 14th, 2010
7:23 pm
J FROM THE A U THINK THAT ON EMAKES A DIFFRENCE U BLOWEN TEAUGE OR SUMTHEN LOL HES GARBADGE HES NOT CAPABLE OF RUNNEN AN NBA TEAM , END OF STORY ,
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:24 pm
Gist looks good out there..
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:24 pm
Man these players on the spurs team almost killing each other for a block LMAO. Calm Down
Highlight Factory
July 14th, 2010
7:28 pm
rick sund’s just chillen in the stand watching to see how many of these scrubs will fill our roster without having to get any free agents to save money
Highlight Factory
July 14th, 2010
7:30 pm
he just did like a 30 second interview with a reporter from aolfanhouse, at the summer l game, and according to him…when asked hows free agency going his reply was , well we are waiting to see how summer leauge turns out , hopefully some of these guys can fill out our roster , we dont want to change up a team with 53 wins, we are pretty confident with our core
HoosierHawk
July 14th, 2010
7:31 pm
Trading Marvin for Shaq is essentially just dropping Marvin’s contract. ASG still believes in Mavin, so this rumor is crap. I don’t care what reports say, Shaq is not getting 8 mil per season unless its from Dallas. If he won’t take the MLE, i say screw it. He is questionable even at that price.
Wabe
July 14th, 2010
7:35 pm
There ya go Teague.
J from the A
July 14th, 2010
7:35 pm
Might turnover a bunch, but at least he will make the highlight reel for something positive. STEAL AND THE THROW DOWN. GO HAWKS!
ICECOLD
July 14th, 2010
7:36 pm
soooooo.. we didnt wanna get anything for childress ( a small forward ) now we not getting anything for marvin ( starting small forward )
…. uhhhh hummmmm
i use to think that sunds was smart, and all these trades that he was doing was perfectly planned out to perfection, but now im startin to believe he lucked up with jamal crawford, flip murray, and mo evens…. and even drafting al horford. ( did he do that or was that billy knight )
because he has done some suspect things also .. like sign zaza back.. and givin marvin that contract.. and getting othelo hunter instead of mario west the first time..
sunds , only way i see this working is if you are trying to start
1. jeff teague
2. jordan crawford/ jamal crawford
3. joe johnson
4. josh smith
5. al horford
as the starting line up… drew new system must be strickly pop and shoot in order for them to think about trading marvin williams for a shaq who will only play 20 min a night and only 60 somethin games..
only way the hawks should sign shaq is for the mid level, nothing more, and nothing less ( because u dont want to insult him with nothin less, i mean… it is shaq.. he does have 4 rings )
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:36 pm
The Defense for the Hawks is bad. The D for the Spurs is good.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:39 pm
Terrible Rebounding
Nate ArchiBALL
July 14th, 2010
7:39 pm
@ big dave – Marvin played great game in 5 – a game the Hawks did not win.
Marvin’s game 6 stats stats: 2 points on 1 of 5 shooting / 0 for 0 from the free throw line / 8 rebounds / 1 assist / 1 turnover 1 block / 0 steals
General Marvin info:
Marvin scored 20+ points on 5 occasions (regular season and playoffs) – Never scored 20 points on the road – Never scored 20 points back to back – only scored in double figures following a 20 point game twice. Scored 3 points or less in 3 games after he scored 20+ points. Amazing…..
harry the hawk
July 14th, 2010
7:41 pm
On one hand, I wouldn’t do it……Shaq will just slow the Hawks offensive tempo down way too much from where it could be with Teague, JC, Josh and company
On the other hand, his name recognition will bail out ASG by putting more people in the seats (remember, they have to pay for JJ’s big-g-g contract)
Close one, but you know the saying….follow the money—-
Marvin goes. Hello Shaq!
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:41 pm
“it may be an option again”
lol..
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:41 pm
Just a bad game all the way around
JeJe
July 14th, 2010
7:42 pm
ASG HAS NO PLAN.
THIS BS TALK ABOUT HOW THEY’D GO INTO THE LT FOR THE RIGHT PLAYER IS GARBAGE. THEY HAVE NO PLAYER IN MIND – THAT’S THE PROBLEM
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:44 pm
you stay in Italy Luke.. ya done.
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:45 pm
They are killing the Hawks in the paint
JeJe
July 14th, 2010
7:46 pm
So what players do the ASG have in mind for GOING OVER THE LT? They haven’t even used the MLE yet.
These idiots make all these shrewd salary cut/trade moves but DON’T spend the money on FA’s.
I’ve seen about 6 guys signed since Saturday that we could’ve gotten here.
GET SHAQ AND OVERPAY FOR BARNES IF U MUST. HE ISNT EVEN 30
GET BARNES OR DAMIEN WILKINS
Wabe
July 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
Yikes…
Look out.
JC2
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
good rebound and outlet from Hendrix..
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:48 pm
Crawford is just flat out nice
Melvin
July 14th, 2010
7:48 pm
Jordan Crawford will demand playing time next season.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:52 pm
Crawford will be a beast
Wabe
July 14th, 2010
7:52 pm
Crawford’s touch from beyond the arc will make allow him the opportunity to make an immediate impact.
That might be something Drew maybe thinking about in respects to the PG position. If JC2 can man the point, Jeff Teague may want to watch his back because Crawford 2.0 could very well possibly cut into Teague’s PT.
Anybody else think Crawford at PG is a *real* possibility?
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:53 pm
anticipation..
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:53 pm
Crawford is a monster!!!!!!
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:53 pm
Yea LD is going to have to find minutes for Crawford this season.
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:53 pm
HENDRIX!
Wabe
July 14th, 2010
7:55 pm
Yikes.
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:55 pm
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 14th, 2010
7:55 pm
Crawford= Super Monster
bigdave
July 14th, 2010
7:55 pm
pull up shawdy! 55 POW!
cp
July 14th, 2010
7:55 pm
Damn this kid is nice
Wabe
July 14th, 2010
7:55 pm
He’s a gem.
honest_abe
July 14th, 2010
7:56 pm
Whoa! Patience grasshoppers.. If summer league was an indictator of how good a player is/was/could be.. anthony randolph and marco belini (sp?) would be hall of famers..