Atlanta Hawks: What happened in Vegas

Las Vegas–Made it to Sin City for Atlanta’s Summer League opener vs. Memphis. I hear there’s a severe heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday so I guess that means I will be forced to chill in the casino’s A/C for long periods of time. It’s all about sacrifice.

Before I get to the game, let me address the Chills trade, which is still pending as he gets clearance from FIBA. I know my blog people are not happy with the deal–neither is the AJC’s Mark Bradley–but it requires some context.

The first thing to remember about a sign-and-trade is it takes a lot to make it happen. The teams have to agree to the trade, the player has to be willing to join his new team and the new team has to reach contract terms with the player. It turned out Phoenix was the only team where all of these factors aligned with Chills.

From what I’ve heard, the other teams interested in Chills weren’t willing to meet his price, so that narrowed the potential trade partners for the Hawks. Then Phoenix stepped up with a big offer that the Hawks probably wouldn’t have been willing to match. The Hawks apparently did a good enough job of making the Suns think they might match it that they got them to send a second-round pick and earned a trade exception (the amount of which will depend on Chills’ first-year salary).

So the Hawks, with little leverage, got something for Chills when they very well could have received nothing. The fact that Chills wasn’t getting the kind of offers he wanted until the Suns came through tells you his value just wasn’t that great with NBA teams. The Hawks made the only deal they could under the circumstances.

Now we’ll see how they make use of the exception, which will be good for one year from the official date of the trade.

– OK, one more thing before I get into the game: It’s looking like Shaq still wants too much money for the Hawks. That suggests he wants a deal that starts at more than the mid-level exception. The Hawks would have to do a sign-and-trade if it wants to pay him more and so far there’s been no indication they are willing to do so.

Grizzlies 89, Hawks 85 (Box Score)

– It was a pretty good effort from the Hawks considering that they’ve only been practicing together for three days and Teague is the only guy certain to be a rotation player next season. Memphis, meanwhile, had been practicing for several days and send out NBAers O.J. Mayo, Sam Young, Darrell Arthur and DeMarre Carroll.

– If JC2 keeps this up, then maybe he gets in the rotation, too. After a slow start, Crawford was impressive while scoring 16 points. There were no signs of the pre-draft concerns about his ability to adapt to playing off the ball as he was very crafty floating to open space on the floor. And JC2 also proved to be a willing and effective passer.

– “He played well,” Teague said. “He just plays. He doesn’t have a position or anything like that. He just plays. He can make shots and he’s a good passer as well. I guess people underestimated his ability to pass the ball. He’s a very good passer. I like playing with him a lot.”

– Most impressive was that pass Crawford whipped to Richard Hendrix under the basket for a dunk. There also were a couple times where Crawford’s quick outlet passes led to fastbreaks. Give him those hockey assists.

– Teague is supposed to stand out in these kind of games and he did. He played fast but under control, finding open space to get to the basket and always looking for his teammates.

– L.D. wants to play at a faster pace, and Teague and Crawford can help with that. Can you imagine a lineup with those two pushing the pace, J.J. floating to the corners for catch-and-shoots and Smoove and Al going hard to the basket? Jamal can fit in there somewhere, too.

Sergiy Gladyr can shoot it but he was overmatched on defense.

– Hendrix was better in the second half than the first. He’s got a solid build and knows how to use it.

Pape Sy seemed bothered at times by the tight D. He has to learn how to create space with his body. But, like Hendrix, he looked better after halftime.

Alade Aminu looked good finishing around the basket. He’s more finesse than power, a quick leaper who runs the floor well.

– I didn’t see any defensive switches but lots of show and recover. Can’t lie, it was kind of weird to see guys in Hawks unis play straight-up D.

– Hard to evaluate the offense with so many new players trying to figure out how to play together but I noticed lots of down-screens, ball reversals and drive-and-kicks. The ball didn’t stay on one side very long.

– The Hawks got handled on the boards 38-27, with only James Augustine doing good work among the bigs. He’s got legit size but lacks body control.

RandMo didn’t show much except the usual tendency to foul a lot. He should stand out in this kind of game the same way as Teague.

– I’m out, blog people. Gonna see if I can find a place where they stay on soft 17s.

MC

265 comments Add your comment

SGI

July 13th, 2010
2:36 am

1st ? Good to see Crawford and Teague moving well …

Teaguedaman

July 13th, 2010
2:37 am

This summer league is all about preparing Teague.

soullrenaissance@yahoo.com

July 13th, 2010
2:38 am

Roy Roger

July 13th, 2010
2:40 am

First, and I hope to see more aggression and passion out of Teague in the next game. He has the ability, but seem reluctant to use it sometimes.

SGI

July 13th, 2010
2:40 am

For those who don’t like the Chills deal … Trade exception (3 mil ish)makes your favorite expendable piece a lot easier to move. Marvin can now fetch a 10 mil per year player. Bibby in the same neighborhood. We will certainly have to take someone else’s crap contract in the deal, but the options are much greater with that flexibility.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

July 13th, 2010
2:43 am

Looks like Shaq wont be taking discounts to come here which does does not bode well for our prospects of gettiing. I hope ASG proves me wrong on that one. RandMo obviously won’t cut

dulaman

July 13th, 2010
2:46 am

what is the likelihood the Hawks make a trade (Bibby or Marvin) 2 get the cash 4 Shaq? Do we really need him bad enough 2 lose one of those guys?

MsDee

July 13th, 2010
2:49 am

I liked what I saw in Teague..he seem very under control, exactly what a PG should do. Last season under Woodson, he seemed to rush everything, his shots, not knowing when to pass the ball or shot it. But tonight, I saw NONE OF THAT!! He doesnt have to creat his own shot, he has JC2 for that. He just needs to continue to play what the defense gives him; let the game come to him. I also liked what Hendrex, Aminu, & James Augustine showed tonight as well. Pape Sy has a swag about him that I like..I cant put my finger on it but I’m starting to see what Larry Drew saw he him in try-outs. I think he could be a ‘Colision’ to us in the future like he is to Chris Paul.

MsDee

July 13th, 2010
2:51 am

Also about Teague, looking at his assists stats doent say much but he could have EASILY had atleast 6 assists tonight. I cant wait to see him with the starters, he will adv 6 assists a game!

bigdave

July 13th, 2010
3:24 am

“Why didn’t Gladyr play more?”

lol.. Grandad.. cause he couldnt guard you.. forget about raining jumpers on him, you could take him straight to the rack.. probably draw the foul and finish..

smh. but, he can shoot..

josh

July 13th, 2010
3:37 am

man mc, you’ve got it rough over there having to stay indoors at the casinos:P.

excited about this summer league – i’m glad to see teague slowing things down and thinking… i like LDs approach with teague that u mentioned in an earlier blog – helps get the pressure off him and play his game. lookin forward to more posts

tjhook

July 13th, 2010
4:27 am

Where will the San Antonio-Atlanta game be on. I’m in San Antonio currently and I’d like to see it somehow.

KJezzy

July 13th, 2010
4:29 am

For those of you who didn’t watch the game, let me tell you that the player that shined the most tonight was the Aminu kid. He’s 6′10″ that can handle the ball, takes high quality shots and runs the court like a gazelle. He was 6 of 8 from the floor, the high scorer for most of the game and for some reason was on the bench the entire last quarter.

I take this kid over Joe Smith as the backup PF 10 times out of 10. MC, any chance he makes the team?

Marcus

July 13th, 2010
5:11 am

12th (man off the bench)?
Good to see some highlights and action. Kinda surprised Mayo was out there, considering his draft status. Leadership move on his part or developmental concerns on MEM coaches part?

Teague looked fast in the highlights, although most of them were MEM-related.

Lets go Hawks!

July 13th, 2010
5:41 am

Not a bad showing from the Hawks considering they were going against a NBA caliber lineup. I like what I saw from the Crawford kid, very explosive. Teague is going to be fine as soon as things slow down for him–this is why Woodson should have played him last year, but I digress. If Shaq wants more money go get someone else, he is a good fit for the Hawks at the MLE, not for more. 10 mil can get you a decent big man easy, other teams do it all the time. I actually see what ASG saw in Drew. This offense looks like it fits the Hawks like a glove, but I admit its still early.

Notso Fast

July 13th, 2010
5:51 am

Just don’t think Shaq is the answer foor the full season. The Hawks look to have a fast moving team and that just is not the style for Shaq.

vava74

July 13th, 2010
6:26 am

Utah about to acquire Jefferson.

I can see tidal waves around here… It doesn’t matter around here that he doesn’t play a lick of defence and has bad knees…

Wabe

July 13th, 2010
6:41 am

I said it draft night and I’ll repeat it.

Jordan Crawford is a baller.

Jay Bilas wasn’t lying when he said that this kid puts it in the basket easier than any other guy in the draft. Pick #27, the Hawks got a gem. Value pick my a$$, this guy is already *good* with the potential to be *great*.

And I agree with what northcyde said on that last blog. LD might seriously want to reconsider holding this guy back in any way. This guy is a pure scorer. I personally think JC2’s one of those guys that won’t care even if LD’s very critical of his shot selection. He’ll take tough shots, but he’ll make more of them than he’ll miss. We’ll see how he fares, but I’ve been high on this guy for quite some time. Watched him play whenever I could throughout this past NCAA season at Xavier – and the kid was a baller.

hawks_4_life

July 13th, 2010
6:51 am

Who said LD is going to hold JC2 back, he just said to focus on shot selection.

tony

July 13th, 2010
6:55 am

I keep telling you peaple that Teague is not a point guard he’s a shooting guard. Mr Sund BLEW IT! I told him to take Darren Collison. Mr Sund BLEW IT AGAIN! He shoulda drafted Hassan Whiteside instead of that guy from France. The way it looks Jordan Crawford need to play the point because like Teague said he is a good passer. He had more assists(5) and points(16) than Teague.

1)Jordan Crawford-pg
2)JJ____________gg
3)JS____________sf
4)AH___________ph
5) Shaq_________c

dap01

July 13th, 2010
6:58 am

Most NBA teams are a little quicker “figuring out” the new salary cap number than the Hawks.

Forget Shaq, go fill out the roster. Have you ever noticed that when Shaq leaves a team, that team never ask him to come back.

Come on Sund!

Charles J.

July 13th, 2010
7:03 am

Tony what the heck is a gg. just kidding
nut we’re going to have to get over the desire for shaq though.
give it some time, this is what three or four practicies and one game..
gees

hawks_4_life

July 13th, 2010
7:09 am

Not to mentions Teague had teammates that blew shots and assist opportunities. Its one game (summer league lol) and we are annoiting JC2 to starting pg. How funny, look at the box score, they both scored the same amount but T on fewer shots. I want both these guys to be successful and its easy to get carried away but like I said ITS SUMMER LEAGUE. Tread slowly.

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2010
7:18 am

It’s only one game, but Jordan Crawford’s looking like a steal. I thought Jeff Teague played ok, but didn’t exhibit great court vision at times.

hawks_4_life

July 13th, 2010
7:33 am

I_am_soulstar he did look good but as someone pointed out people around here already said we trading the “steal of the draft” to NJ. I think JC2 will turn out better than James but its just funny how we whine about transactions without being reserve and see if it actually benefits us. One second ASG is cheap and wont pay JJ, then next we overpaid for him. One minute Jchill ” who didnt play a lick of ball for us for two years” is a bum who was picked 6th the next we let him go for nothing. Its always back and forth on this blog but very amusing none the less.

p.s. depending how we use the trade exemption it might just turn out to be a good deal.

nunna!

July 13th, 2010
7:50 am

Its summer league!!
Like hawks 4 life said,teague had teammates that blew shots on great passes from him.
I liked what i saw in Jordan Crawford,he could be a steal and we can get something for bibby from a team that will need a PG..I know about his contract,but,for a team without a solid starter or vet backup,he will be great trade bait..And,i still believe that Mo Evans will be gone if bibbs is traded..

NBA TV is replaying the hawks game at 10:00am this morning.

tony

July 13th, 2010
7:50 am

Charles J. r u calling me a nut? You don’t know me young man. I will tell it like it is! I’m not going to try to make a player seem like he’s all that if he isn’t. Teague will remain on the bench where Mike Woodson had him so get over it PEOPLE! Charles GROW UP!

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2010
7:52 am

Marcus,

I believe O.J. Mayo is there to adjust to playing the PG position. He was a SG, but Memphis wants him to try playing the point.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
7:53 am

I did not see the game. But from reading the blog, checking the box score, and seeing the highlights, I have a few comments.

RandMo didn’t show much except the usual tendency to foul a lot.

I know its only one game, but I hope we don’t bring RandMo back to the Hawks. Give somebody else a chance.

Teague still needs to work on his offense (aggressiveness, and shot making) and court vision, but with more practice, and continued reassurance from Drew, it will come. His defense was ok. Just keep working, and keep improving.

When the season starts, we won’t need as much offense from Teague as we will need his defense, assists and tempo.

JC2 looked good at times, but he was only 6-15, so maybe somebody can comment on his shot selection. Either way, we already have JJ and Jamal at SG, so where will JC2 get minutes? Maybe the plan is to bring him along slowly like Orlando did JJ Redick.

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2010
7:58 am

Hawks4life,

Yeah, there will always be questionable comments as long as uninformed people are posting.

JSS

July 13th, 2010
7:59 am

Can we give First Nations name to our Summer League players?
Rand Mo… “Bad like Rancid meat!”
Pape Sy… “Baby Eagle”
Jo Crawford… “Shadow Coyote” Smart, makes you notice his footprint…
Luke Jackson… “Old One Way Elk”
Augustine… “Pale Tatonka (Buffalo)”
Hendrix… “Mystery Meat”
Gladyr… “Snow reindeer fold with no defense”
Teague… “Swift Snake”
Any suggestions?

JeJe

July 13th, 2010
8:02 am

The WHOLE POINT of getting the trade exception should be that we can NOW PAY for SHAQ. He will bring TICKET REVENUE TO THE HAWKS TO MAKE UP for his BIG SALARY.

WTF?

ryan

July 13th, 2010
8:08 am

Well Shaq is going to have take less money around 5 mill he is running out of options because the Spurs turned him down. If Shaq keeps this up he wont be signed until middle of August. The Hawks need look around there is Brad Miller, Big Z, Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler or make trade for Okafor.

dukester

July 13th, 2010
8:19 am

I wish this team would find a way to get a legit center and deadly 3 point shooter!!!!

options at center: Sam Dalembert, Tyson Chandler, Shaq (dont really want the trouble)
all we need him to do is rebound and block shots if he can get 8-10 pts fine. Move Al to PF Josh to small forward and yes i said JOSH SMITH to SMALL FORWARD!!! With all players they need to know their role and their needs if you cant get him to do whats needed then can him.

Center: pick one
Power Forward: AL
Small Forward:Josh
SG: Joe
Pg:Teague/Bibby

As bad as i want Marvin gone I really believe he will take 2 steps forward under Drew. But he is about the bargaining chip we have to trade for a center right now.

♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥

July 13th, 2010
8:23 am

Just a little pissed that none of the Hawks Summer League games are shown live on NBA TV. I mean the price of the Summer League Broadband isn’t much but I’m already paying $12 extra monthly to have access to NBA TV. I didn’t like sitting at the computer last night watching the game. I much prefer watching on the tv. I know the games are showing the next morning, okay, already got them set to record. Maybe it’s just me but sometimes I feel like I am not getting my $12 worth. And darn it am I feeling like it right now.

GeeMack

July 13th, 2010
8:31 am

Hawks front office please don’t let Shaq pull a Jon Koncak.

Bailer

July 13th, 2010
8:32 am

I had a couples things to say, but seeing what all these people with so much smart has to say I think I will keep my mouth shut.

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
8:41 am

Bailer

But you didn’t keep your mouth shut? You only posted that you would.

wordsmithtom

July 13th, 2010
8:47 am

Shaq makes NO sense if we are going to play an up-tempo, motion offence. Yes, another big is needed for times when halfcourt sets require more muscle, but please: “Say NO to Shaq.” Unless, he’s willing to commit to being a BENCH PLAYER like Antoine Carr did for Utah in his declining years. As big as Shaq’s ego is, I just don’t see it.

He can still play. But, will he be willing to play the role the Hawks need…..

bali

July 13th, 2010
8:52 am

just a question….why would the hawks want shaq in a fast paced offensive system………..does not make sense to me

dstdeelite

July 13th, 2010
8:53 am

That bullet pass by JC-Dub was a thing of beauty. The ball movement almost brought me to tears.

Terrell

July 13th, 2010
8:54 am

Wabe ,
YThe reason JD wants to “hold him back” is because JC2 has to learn how to be the 2nd 3rd or maybe 4th option. He won’t be The Guy here like he was in Xavier. JD is trying to teach how to play off the ball and use better shot selection.

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
9:02 am

Shaq reluctance to play from the bench – sounds a lot like Iverson. We all saw what team cancer looks like.
Now, Iverson is begging a return? I wouldn’t touch either one.

Find us a Perkins or Big Baby body type. A big clogger who can bother Dwight and Bynum.

dstdeelite

July 13th, 2010
9:02 am

Mz Hawkdafied- I watched the game online last night at ESPN3.com. Also check your cable provider, if you have Direct TV. I was paying $12.00 extra until I happened to notice that NBA-TV is now including in the regular monthly packag. They failed to tell me that. So I’d been paying $12.00 extra since October. Talk about pissed!!

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
9:03 am

With some playing time and motivation? Our very own “Hamburgler” could be that guy!

Mr. Phil

July 13th, 2010
9:05 am

I struggle to believe we won’t have a roster spot for a PG that can play D. If Pape continues to improve, I can see him in a Hawks uniform sooner than everyone thinks. Which would mean this would be the biggest scouting triumph in Hawks history. Whoever found this guy should be looking for a rise if that happens.

Charles J.

July 13th, 2010
9:06 am

Tony not i’m not calling you anything, it was just a type-o- like your (gg)don’t get your panties twested.
I don’t know you but you have too be a cool dude you’re a HAWKS fan man.
Just saying don’t be so harsh this early, oh yea, and by the way not such a young man being that like you I’m on the north side of 50
I guess it does depends on how you see 50 right. lol
Teague will be alright by training camp, keep the faith he’ll be better by then.
GO HAWKS

dukester

July 13th, 2010
9:10 am

Just read the bobcats want to let Tyson Chandler go they want a point guard in the deal. Marvin and Bibby would do the trick thats if they would take Bibby LOL. Marvin would probably get up there with Jordan and go for 25 pts a night. LOL

♥Mz. Hawkdafied♥

July 13th, 2010
9:12 am

Like most I was impressed with the baby Hawks (Teague and Crawford). And unimpressed with Randolph Morris only because I expected more from him since I believed he was the most experienced Hawk on the squad. Didn’t really realize there were two Aminu. Aminu stood out most among the bigs.

I thought the team started off a little slow and unsure. But as the game progressed became more confident and more comfortable with each other they were able to get something going and eventually got the opportunity to win their first game. Unfortunately for Teague his untimely turnover took that opportunity away. However, the positive from that turnover was it will teach him take care of the ball better especially at crucial points of the game. Good to see Teague hit a three. And can’t wait to hear Ryan Cameron say Jordan Crawford for threeeeeee cause JC2 was swishing those tres.

Anyhow the action heated up in the second half and was very entertaining almost made me forget I watching on the computer. Nope no it didn’t. :-)

Truth-Serum

July 13th, 2010
9:14 am

Sund has led the NBA this Year in most bone head moves. He is effectively taking a 53win 3rd seeded team and castrating them to 6th or 7th seed by his insistence on implementing his failed strategy of using power forwards to play center and by choosing to pinch pennies rather than make a bold address to the Hawks serious issues.

Every economical opportunity we’ve had to go after or address an starting center has past. Whats left is a fading Shaq (hes still better than horford) and not much else, nothing that will get us in the big three category which is where we were we the summer began. We definitely lost ground. We had 4/5 years of upward mobility, to reach the 3rd seed. With the right pieces we could have held that and perhaps ventured further. We were headed in the right direction. There was no need to reverse course, change directions. This decision came from a man who has never won a championship, and never will using his philosophy of powerforwards quickness in place of a centers dominance.

Let me respectfully submit that it would be best for the organization to fire Sund and lets get turn back towards the top before we end up in the lottery in 2 years.

The ultimate bone head move would be to move one of ,if not the best powerforward in the game to Small forward to make room for another forward who is not as good as him. In reaching out to find a place for horford who is a good player but not the caliber of player Josh is lets not fix what works and works very well. Al may be better suited to come off the bench and back up the center and Josh and log the same number of minutes he gets now. If any one should move to the 3 it should be Al. He has a face up jumper in the lane. But Josh is extremely effective and unselfish as a power forward. There are so many dimensions to his game and he has so many tools. The man is a buddy superstar. Leave Josh right where hes at! DFWJ. The college park player is going to be a star for a long time.

here’s a little breakfast you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocaatPvI90k

and just in case you for got hes not long out of high school

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSoCSLi_WZs&feature=related