Atlanta Hawks: Brad Miller still in play as center options dwindle

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
7:49 pm

ME FIRST WOW!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
7:51 pm

MC the hawks need 2 spend the money and build this team right if they want 2 attend with the heat in years 2 come.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
7:59 pm

The hawks need a young star and a floor general with hart and chris paul is that guy, with the current roster the hawks have no true vocal leader and thats the reason for early exit every year come playoffS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Hawks

July 13th, 2010
8:02 pm

Enough with the Chris Paul chatter. It ain’t happening. Brad Miller would be a nice addition. Tough guy with a decent jump shot.

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:04 pm

YOU CAN BUILD AROUND THESE THREE PLAYERS.
CP3 AGE 25 JOE AGE 29 MR. HIGHLIGHT JOSH SMITH 24.
just imagine CP3 AND JOSH on the same team josh will avg atleast 20points a game.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:05 pm

GO hawks where you from ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

mountain_jim

July 13th, 2010
8:06 pm

waiting for something to happen…

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:07 pm

Trade horford, marvin, teague for cp3.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:09 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYgSWGbEKsQ

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmuQoyKOWouQoyKOWo

SecondSage

July 13th, 2010
8:11 pm

AL Horford is that true leader. He was just young. I’d be fine with Kwame Brown. All he needs to do is stand there and be big, get rebounds, and disturb the opposing center. Moving Horford to the 4 where he’ll thrive. Start Teague and we’ll be straight. I’d be fine with Shaq too. All he wants is 15 min a game during the regular season and maybe 20-25 in the playoffs.

The Heat don’t scare us..GO HAWKS!!!

presham the Great

July 13th, 2010
8:12 pm

Man if we dont get a center in here (shaq) soon I’m driving out there and choke somebody. Its bad enough we got a in house coach. The bottom line is we need somebody to stop howard and to be an enforcer when Wade and Co. comes down that lane. Brad Miller is also an option but we have got to get some weight under the basket. it was a crime to watch howard destroy us while he worked on his offensive game. He wouldn’t dare have that mentality against a proven center. we better get somebody close to 300 thatb can block a shot quick or we will watch a repeat of the broom series of the past two years.

mc coll

July 13th, 2010
8:14 pm

the hawks need to go after danny granger with that future 1st rd. pick they got from the suns and send jamal crawford and bibby.we take back tj ford expiring 8.5 mill. contract.we my have 2 throw in mo. evans 2 make the contract match.then sign shag or b.miller.tj ford expires contract could help down the line if need to trade for the playoff push. i know everybody is pushing for the hawks to get a big but atl. need a true #2 scorer and not off the bench.that could put marvin on the bench were he will be more affected.granger can scorer the ball and the good good wing defender,that is what hawks going to need against team like orlando and the heats,bulls,celtics

mountain_jim

July 13th, 2010
8:18 pm

laughing at you thinking we got a future first rounder, mc coll

MaxxHawk

July 13th, 2010
8:18 pm

Brad Miller is exactly what we don’t need as a Center. Dwight Howard will eat him alive. I will be so disappointed yet again if we don’t get a bonafide 7ft Center that plays Defense and rebounds, basically the opposite of Brad Miller

ryan

July 13th, 2010
8:19 pm

Chris Paul wants of NO because it is falling apart there GM resigned if the Hawks are going to make a move they have to it now because Knicks and the Nets will go after him next year.

Swatguy

July 13th, 2010
8:21 pm

ok, what happened with the rumor of Marvin to GS for Biedrins? Are the Hawks interested in Matt Barnes? I’ll hang up and listen for an answer.

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmuQoyKOWo

JeJe

July 13th, 2010
8:22 pm

“Woodson planned to give Teague a chance to supplant Bibby, and that hasn’t changed now that Drew is the coach.”

LOL!

Bullsh*t

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
8:24 pm

Darrell

Calm down man! How many times do we have to tell you that CP3 is NOT cleared to play and has had a complete removal of one or both of his meniscus(.es). That means bone on bone – IF you are slow.
He hasn’t played since that surgery. And probably will need Micro-Fracture Surgery next season, and IF you are still – s l o w? Thaþ means out for next season.

You don’t trade Horford, Teague and Marvin for Speedy Claxton sittin’ on blocks!

Geez Man, Go-Figure! Just Stop It – Already! Take a Xanex (if prescribed by a physician).

MsDee

July 13th, 2010
8:28 pm

Brad Miller?? In the words of UPS..’What can Brad do for us??’

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:29 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAmFVAfhVv0

mc coll

July 13th, 2010
8:31 pm

I cant understand why every one keep saying move Al to PF. What about Josh, the best defender on the team. Like i said before atl need a wing man with the type offense we are going to this fix perfect AL and Josh on the floor 2gether.WITH TEAGUE getting into the lane which he will this year u need athelic like jsmooth big al. alot of passing and movement.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
8:32 pm

MC, didn’t Dallas add Tyson Chandler today to the mix with Haywood? Also, with the Jazz bringing in Al Jefferson with Millsap, hopefully they will leave Tolly alone. Shaq seems like he is out of many options… but I’m fearful that he will react to coming off the bench much like Ai did. He may say one thing at the contract signing, but once he is routinely missing the pre-game player introduction (while standing next to Jordan Crawford), I think there could be some significant issues.

macaroni tony

July 13th, 2010
8:33 pm

that’s giving up way too much for Chris Paul. Is good but not great, I’m riding with JT0.

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July 13th, 2010
8:34 pm

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ILL-logical

July 13th, 2010
8:34 pm

BRAD MILLER!! Man,he died three years ago.

Mark Williams

July 13th, 2010
8:36 pm

Hey Mike, it appears that Miami is building a nice team down here. When the Big 3 was 1st signed, I thought Atlanta would still be better, because I didn’t think they could surround the Big 3 with anyone. After all, I figured in the NBA East Atlanta had the 2nd best (& highest paid) SG in JJ, the 2nd best PF in Josh, Horford is an All-Star and the team would be much deeper. But now that the Heat have added Udonis, Mike Miller, Big Z with more to come, I think the Hawks will have a tough time matching up with Miami. I agree with you about Shaq – I would be stunned if the Heat brought him back after he torched the place on his way out. “Wonder Boy” – I don’t think so. Keeping in mind that Atlanta is still a young team, if they bring in Shaq it would be a huge mistake. The chemistry would degenerate into something that smells like rotten eggs in no time. My 2 cents.

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
8:40 pm

Brad Miller? I rather have Kwame Brown.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

July 13th, 2010
8:40 pm

Big Z is a big time idiot and Prince James worshiper – has not he learned that chase LB does get him any closer to getting a ring.
No to Brad Miller – I’d rather trade for Okafor.
Throw out RandMo and scrap the experiment – FAIL.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2010
8:41 pm

If the center being brought in isn’t better than Horford AND Zaza at guarding Dwight Howard, there’s no point in signing him. I am not convinced Brad Miller is that guy. He is a skilled offensive player, but offense — especially perimeter-oriented offense — is not what the Hawks need from a free-agent center. They are targeting a big man for one reason and one reason only, and that is to guard Howard.

Shaq may appear to be running out of options, but the longer the Hawks take and the lower his price tag gets, the more teams open up that will be willing to sign him at a lower rate. If the Hawks want him they need to act soon. I could easily see him end up in a Celtics uniform for the biannual exception if his price tag comes down that far.

mc coll

July 13th, 2010
8:42 pm

earlier i said a future 1st im sorry i meant the two future second we got this offseason along with jamal crawford and mo.evans,bibby for danny granger &tj.ford

ANDROID

July 13th, 2010
8:44 pm

Okay, Sund! get off of Joe’s D!ck, and go get a G@ddamned Center in this f^ckin place, If these sonsab!tches sit on their @ss and hand us some prick named Collins, I will never attend a Hawks game again!

ANDROID

July 13th, 2010
8:45 pm

Sorry folks but I’m gettin pizzed off!

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

July 13th, 2010
8:46 pm

So true Najeh – doubt that Brad Miller solves that D12 problem.

Marc

July 13th, 2010
8:49 pm

Trade for Troy Murphy

Ty-Stick

July 13th, 2010
8:51 pm

It’s obvious the Hawks are not in win-now mode. You all can forget a legit 7 footer coming to Atl. The most they might do is Kwame Brown. We will see the same Hawks from last year trying to battle the likes of Orlando and Miami. The window of opportunity is closing fast. There is no one left to sign. The only option is to make a trade and they will have to give up something to get something. Shaq is the best option left but as you can see ASG will have to over spend to get him. In short…trade Marvin and Jamal for a real center or pay Shaq the money. Of course, the other option is to sign another useless 6-11 so-called center or simply do nothing.

Wolverine

July 13th, 2010
8:52 pm

The Hawks needs size and we also need minutes to let some of our young talent see the floor (Teague, JC2). So bringing in more Small Forwards, Guards is not Ideal unless you move Bibby, Mo Evans..which at this point is really not a great option, unless you can some how get Tony Parker without losing our core…and that is not going to Happen.

The Hawks should sign Shaq, Aminu from the Summer League, and lets keep this group together to see how they play with in LD;s offense. You never know people….Marvin, could have a break out year, and if Teague develops we have a good shot.

Not so casual observer

July 13th, 2010
8:52 pm

I hope everyone who writes, or speaks, like ANDROID will stay away from the Hawks games and move to the West coast.

ANDROID

July 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

Did I mention I detest Joe Johnson?I hate Joe Johnson!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:57 pm

Wolverine THE HAWKS HAD 3DRAFT 27, 31, 56, and did not draft one center lol.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2010
8:57 pm

Damn blog monster eating my posts AGAIN…

MsDee

July 13th, 2010
8:58 pm

MC,

Do u know if Mark Price is still the shooting coach on the team?

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
8:58 pm

MC the hawks should be ashame of them self brad miller what a joke.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

ANDROID

July 13th, 2010
8:59 pm

In fact I hope the Absurd Sports Gang, goes into Bankruptcy, due to Joe Johnson!
Maybe then the Team will get a real Owner, that’s willing to put up or shut up!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
9:02 pm

MACARONI im not saying trading for paul will win us a championship now,but your building this team right for the future.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Steven A.

July 13th, 2010
9:04 pm

Kwame Brown is the only Center left who can guard Dwight Howard. He just needs to be coached up
the right way. I thought Billiy ” AFRO” Knight was bad., Rick Sund must have went to the same
“GM” University. Absolutely “atrocious” leadership.

ANDROID

July 13th, 2010
9:06 pm

News Flash! the Miami Heat have just signed Brett Favre to a 10 year 250 million dollar deal to play point for them!

ADR

July 13th, 2010
9:08 pm

kwame brown would be the best option- still has loads of potential and still young

macaroni tony

July 13th, 2010
9:09 pm

It doesn’t matter why would you give up a young All-Star and a young pg that could be a little general for just CP3 that has a lot of injuries. I wanted pull that trade never.

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
9:15 pm

Hey Casual

Get your “Scroll-On”. Pass all the ISH on here. Don’t read Caps and fake names.
Just look for the real intellectuals and logical bloggers.

bigdave

July 13th, 2010
9:16 pm

“Brad Miller? I rather have Kwame Brown.”

i 2nd this..

guarding who? we’re better of w/ the Al ZaZa combo. plus, ive seen him miss too many “bunnies” over the past 3 yrs. so his strong point, his offense, is dwindling..

if we can’t get Shaq.. go cheap, go defense w/ Brown.

cdog

July 13th, 2010
9:19 pm

don’t get your hopes up.we are dealing with rick sund not george steinbruener(RIP) who was all about winning unlike rick sund, if he owned the hawks, would have had shaq signed sealed and delivered already BECAUSE HE WOULD GOTTEN THE PLAYER THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.HOW MANY CHAMPIONSHIPS HAS BRAD MILLER WON? NONE. BUT THIS THE TYPE OF PLAYER RICK SUND WANTS..but this is sund who’s not worried about winning but taking the easiest, and cheapest way out.this equals losing but thats rick sund way.

Steve

July 13th, 2010
9:20 pm

Teague – 20-25 mpg
Bibby – 10-15 mpg
Jamal – 8-18 mpg at PG

Kwame, Shaq, Brad, Tolliver – give us any 2 of the 4 and there better than Joe Smith and Jason Collins – man, RandMo looked bad last night – Aminu looked good, but he’s more of a PF than a Center.
I agree, Kwame may turn into a stud yet – look at Heyward with the Mavs. At 30, just turning into a legit Center – and they think he’s getting better – signed to a 6 year deal. Even Pau Gasol better at 30 than 27 – just sayin’….

macaroni tony

July 13th, 2010
9:22 pm

I agree with that bigdave, BM should not be an option. I am tired of these players that overlook the Hawks, like Shaq (they will have to pay me more money). I would not give him more the mid-level or I would let him come. We do need a center, KB may want to be closer to home.

lady j 80

July 13th, 2010
9:27 pm

I really like the hawks and i am cheering for them and hoping that they bring a championship to this city soon. however, my patience is wearing thin because our GM and owbership team seem to only be concerned about joe coming back instead of putting a total team together. for instance, we need another pure shooter who can knock down three”s and we NEEEEEEEEEED A CENTER. there have been several teams that have acquired a center these laast couple of days. however, the team that needs a center the most (THE HAWKS) HAVE NOT. I am getting fed up and frustrated. Mr. Sund get us a center and a wing player Quick before i SREEEEEEEEEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mystikal

July 13th, 2010
9:28 pm

Would not be mad at signing Brad Miller and Kwame Brown. Shaq needs to take his fat ass overseas if he still think he is worth big money

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July 13th, 2010
9:29 pm

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Delbert D.

July 13th, 2010
9:29 pm

Kwame Brown? A candidate for the lifetime under achievement medal, with stars for bad attitude and arrests. How about a 7′1″ mannequin of Wilt Chamberlain on wheels that they guys can take turns positioning underneath? Stick with Zaza until some real idea emerges.

Mystikal

July 13th, 2010
9:31 pm

Garrett Siler or Sims could fill what Sheldon Williams did for Boston (in case of emergency)

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
9:32 pm

Another potential issue with bringing in Shaq. If you bring him in, and Al Horford is struggling for whatever reason, will Shaq be campaigning for the starting spot, or will he try and help Al get out of his funk?

As for Brad Miller, in 3 games against the Magic, he struggled. So I don’t think he would be a good fit for us. We need somebody to bang down low. That’s not Brad’s game.

I like Anthony Tolliver (even if he is a backup PF). I don’t like the idea of Al being our starting center and backup PF, because if he gets hurt, we are in trouble at 2 positions.

I propose a sign and trade with Golden State. Tolliver for our TPE.

BigCaliDawg

July 13th, 2010
9:32 pm

by presham the Great

July 13th, 2010
8:12 pm

“Man if we dont get a center in here (shaq) soon I’m driving out there and choke somebody. Its bad enough we got a in house coach. The bottom line is we need somebody to stop howard and to be an enforcer when Wade and Co. comes down that lane. Brad Miller is also an option but we have got to get some weight under the basket. it was a crime to watch howard destroy us while he worked on his offensive game. He wouldn’t dare have that mentality against a proven center. we better get somebody close to 300 thatb can block a shot quick or we will watch a repeat of the broom series of the past two years.”

What podnah ^^^^^^^^^^just said.

Tell ‘em the word……

ryan

July 13th, 2010
9:32 pm

A got a news flash for you i will bet you Kim Kardashian will dump Miles Austin and date Chris Bosh.

BigCaliDawg

July 13th, 2010
9:34 pm

Is Woody gonna coach in Phoenix? Chillz can just lend out his detachable natural.

Nahila

July 13th, 2010
9:36 pm

To add the pieces we need to challenge Orlando and now Miami, Joe must show his loyalty as did Bosh,James, and Wade when they reduce their salaries in order for the team to sign several new players who are now lining up to play for the big 3 in hopes of winning a championship ring. Joe says he is going to recruit some players for the Hawks, with what, since the Hawks spent all their salary horde on Joe. Let go Joe of some of the money so you too could have a shot at a championship ring because without you sharing some of your new money to assist the team in signing some quality players, the Hawks will be close next season but no cigar. Let some go Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!Open up your wallet and recruit the Hawks some good players. Whata you say Joe??????????????

ANDROID

July 13th, 2010
9:37 pm

Kim Kardashian is a HO!

BigCaliDawg

July 13th, 2010
9:40 pm

“Kim Kardashian is a HO!”

Yeah dood but I’d be all up in her like conditioner.

Chicken Little

July 13th, 2010
9:43 pm

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Sund hasn’t signed a center yet!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

floridajacket

July 13th, 2010
9:43 pm

Luke Schenscher’s playing in the NBA summer league for the Portland Trail Blazer, he might give the Hawks 20 minutes a night. I’m just saying …

GT Alum

July 13th, 2010
9:43 pm

I couldn’t understand when everyone was saying Miami wouldn’t be that good because they’d never put a good team around them. Pat Riley is one of the smartest people in the NBA. He was working to get these 3 together from the beginning of the offseason. Did people really think he didn’t have a plan to put a team around those guys?

And players may have to take a discount, but look at the sales pitch he can make. He, LeBron, Wade and Bosh can go to players and say we’re trying to build something special. If you come here, we’re not trying to just win one title. We’re trying to win multiple titles. If you’re an older player, this is your chance to retire with rings (plural). If you’re a younger player, you can play here, and you won’t make quite as much, but by the time you leave here, you’ll be able to write your own ticket. What team doesn’t want a veteran player with multiple rings to help their team out?

Riles had a plan, and he’s executing it. I guess you can’t blame Hawks fans for not seeing that coming. It’s something we’re not used to seeing happen.

Mystikal

July 13th, 2010
9:50 pm

Woah, didn’t know Dallas ended up getting Tyson Chandler too!

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July 13th, 2010
9:51 pm

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ryan

July 13th, 2010
9:51 pm

Kardashian’s have settled in Miami so that tells you something !

SteveW

July 13th, 2010
9:54 pm

We could sign Shaq, Kurt Thomas and either Joe Smith or Brad Miller – that way we can have the 3 oldest back up centers in NBA history on one team. Combined 111 years old

Mystikal

July 13th, 2010
9:55 pm

Not surprised by Heat signings. Have the big 3, Pat Riley (golden as a GM or a coach), and number 1 it is South beach. What man wouldn’t want to live in South Beach and have a chance at a championship. And there are no taxes in Florida, so that factors in with the contracts.

SteveW

July 13th, 2010
9:56 pm

Jordan C. and Jeff Teague were 4 yrs. old when Shaq entered the league – cool.

SteveW

July 13th, 2010
9:59 pm

Marvin and Al were 6 when Shaq entered the league. I like Shaq – if the Hawks sign him, I hope he’s spending his summer with a personal trainer in Orlando getting ready for the season, and not trotting all around the country.

Mystikal

July 13th, 2010
10:03 pm

When we dont sign anybody, remember Garrett Siler, Courtney Sim, and Alade Aminu.

And for a wing defender Matt Barnes and Ronnie Brewer still available

N.D.T.K.A.

July 13th, 2010
10:04 pm

Why not sign Tolliver, and or Kwame Brown (Kwame is a Georgia boy so the homecooking may help improve his laziness on the court)? The money these guys are looking for though may be the reason Sund has not made a move. Many teams still have a ton of cap space and are spending without regard. MC said Kwame Brown is looking for more money, that is why Doc Rivers and the Celtics did not sign him. Can LD motivate Kwame to play with some effort and energy is the question?

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
10:06 pm

BRING BRIAN ZOUBEK NO ONE DRAFT HIM BUT HE IS A SOLID DEFENDER IN THE PAINT AND SIGN SHAQ.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
10:07 pm

BRIAN ZOUBEK 7′1 AND PLAY NASTY.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

dan

July 13th, 2010
10:09 pm

Z going to Miami….NBA is just going to be a big joke noone is going to care what games are on its just going to a wait and see who Miami is playing for the next 10 yrs in the finals….I can see the scores now next year Miami 156 Atlanta 88

JoJo the Godfather

July 13th, 2010
10:10 pm

Zoubek signed a free agent deal with New Jersey back on July 1st.

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
10:11 pm

cdog

How can you compare Sund to Steinbrenner?

One was an Owner and the other an employee.

Hawk n the Ham

July 13th, 2010
10:16 pm

SI has said Chandler is going to the Mavs, and Jefferson is headed to Utah.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
10:18 pm

Hawks need to stay away from Kwame. No character. Miller does NOT add what is needed (to deal with D. Howard). If Sund doesn’t sign Shaq he owes the fans an explantion.

Paul Hewitt's Agent

July 13th, 2010
10:19 pm

Brad Miller, Shaq, Kwame Brown…hmmm, let me see. Kwame has the body to bang against Howard and he is from ATL so he will be motivated. He also will be motivated to beat MJ and Charlotte. Finally, he will be motivated to beat the Lakers, his old team. I say lets do it! I’m sorry, have I been drinking and typing again? Where is Tree Rollins when you need him?

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
10:20 pm

ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER CP3, JOE, JOSH HOWARD, JOSH, SHAQ.
BENCH JAMAL, CRAWFORD, MOE, ZAZA, BRIAN ZOUBEK
RESERVE BIBBY, MORRIS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Samuel

July 13th, 2010
10:20 pm

You guys say you want to go to the next level. OK, how many guys in the league can guard DH. You can count them on one hand. We need Shaq here.

dap01

July 13th, 2010
10:21 pm

Didn’t we go through this last year? Just discussing and showing interest in centers while all of the players signed contract and we were left with the leftovers.

Think about where we are, we are now saying that Kwame is the BEST option left. And he will be gone before long because teams like the Celtics and Doc Rivers actually have the B*lls to say that they like him.

Come on Sund, surprise us. A surprise is necessary because our expectations are so low.

The Sham

July 13th, 2010
10:21 pm

@RICK SUND (LIKE YOU ARE ACTUALLY LISTENING): GO HARD AND HEAVY AT MILLER! KWAME IS A SHAM! DOUBLE HIS MINUTES AND HE STILL ONLY PRODUCES 1/2 OF WHAT MILLER DOES OVER HIS CAREER! I HATE TO BE HARD ON KWAME BUT THE DUDE IS ALL ABOUT THE MEASURABLES AND POTENTIAL. HE HAS NOT DONE A THING WITH ALL THAT TALENT BUT WASTE IT… GO WITH THE BLUE COLLAR GUY AND RIDE THAT HORSE AS LONG AS HE’LL LET YOU.

Samuel

July 13th, 2010
10:22 pm

Deron&Big Al=Stockton&Malone

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
10:24 pm

Have grizzlies sign RONNIE BREWER ? IF NOT OFFER A CONTRACTED 2 HIM OR SIGN JOSH HOWARD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
10:27 pm

JOJO I CANT BELIEVE THE HAWKS LET BRIAN ZOUBEK SLIP AWAY LIKE THAT HOW SAD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Typical Hawks Moron

July 13th, 2010
10:30 pm

HOW ABOUT MBENGA? HE’S A FUTURE ALL STAR

macaroni tony

July 13th, 2010
10:31 pm

I really would like to see some kind of move from my Hawks, I hate defending the Hawks to others because it’s hard because they so slow.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
10:31 pm

Kwame has all this ‘potential’ and was drafted by the Wizards #1 when Michael Jordon was the owner (or whatev er he was) but Kwame could not get motivated for Jordan. I seem to remember Jordan calling him lazy.

With all this potential and upside the fact that he can only command the vet-minimum speaks volumes!

macaroni tony

July 13th, 2010
10:33 pm

Just watched on Brian Zoubek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-AeSs7iRRM and he can barely jump

Paul Hewitt's Agent

July 13th, 2010
10:33 pm

@ Rev in Tampa – WWJD?

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
10:38 pm

@ Paul Hewitt’s Agent – He would speak the truth.

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
10:38 pm

TONY the guy is 7′1 he don’t have 2 jump lol.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

bigdave

July 13th, 2010
10:40 pm

“Kwame has the body to bang against Howard and he is from ATL so he will be motivated.”

oh naaaaaw bruh.. dont pin him on us.. dude isnt from Atlanta or the metro area for that matter. he’s from Brunswick, Ga. tell a friend..

sure, maybe he will be motivated in a return to Ga. does that make him a legit # 1 overall pick.. there isn’t enough motivation in the world. doubt it. i still believe he can be a serviceable big for a long time though. id take him over Miller. to add much needed quality depth.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
10:45 pm

Kwame went to my wife’s highschool (Glynn Academy in Brunswick) so I am pulling for him and have followed his career. That’s why I know he won’t be able to help the Hawks. Remember the goal is not to gain a serviceable big man for the long term. The goal is to win a championship… And the time is now.

cdog

July 13th, 2010
10:49 pm

DRMARYB, THEY BOTH MAKE PERSONNEL DECISIONS.GEORGE DECIDED WHO THE TEAM SIGN AS WELL AS SUND.THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PART AS FAR AS PERSONEL DECISIONS, I THOUGHT,TALKING ABOUT GEORGE.SUND DECIDES WHO TO SIGN ALSO SAME AS STEINBREUNER. OVERALL, BOTH MAKE PERSONEL DECISIONS. AM I RIGHT?

drmaryb

July 13th, 2010
10:54 pm

Sorry, I don’t read caps. Just move on dog.

cdog

July 13th, 2010
10:58 pm

DRMARYB, I JUST GET TIRED OF RICK SUND AND HIS LACK OF EFFORT TO BETTER THE HAWKS.SEEMS HE’S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT SALARY CAP AS AN EXCUSE WHILE TEAMS LIKE MIAMI, PHOENIX, BOSTON AND THE LAKERS WHO SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER PAYROLL THAN THE HAWKS ARE CONSTANTLY SIGNING PLAYERS DESPITE HAVING STAR PLAYERS THEN SUND JUST SITS BACK AND DOES NOTHING. THEN THE HEAD COACH GETS BLAMED WHICH IS UNFAIR.RICK SUND IS TERRIBLE.EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK HE USING STRATEGY.HE’S JUST PLAIN LAZY.THERE IS NO STRATEGY ABOUT HIM.SINCE HE’S BEEN THE GM, HE’S DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.A COACH IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PRODUCT HE HAS ON THE FLOOR.WE DON’T HAVE THE PERSONEL NOW TO BEAT MIAMI, BOSTON, ORLANDO AND POSSIBLY MILWAUKEE IN A PLAYOFF SERIES.BUT IS SUND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT? NO. HE’S SITTING ON HIS BUTT WITH A CELL PHONE STUCK IN HIS EAR AND LETTING TEAMS JUMP AHEAD OF US.I’M GROWING TIRED OF HIM.

Truth-Serum

July 13th, 2010
11:02 pm

At this point the pickings are slim. We clearly werent serious about addressing out deficiencies. This wont be a banner year so if you got salt and vinegar get them at the ready. Heck you may want to bite down on a bullet! It wont be pretty this year.

Kapoonka

July 13th, 2010
11:04 pm

I suggested Brad Miller a long time ago. He would be a good fit and he is athletic. Howard eats up everyone, so no knock there. B Miller can also shoot the lights out. I really hope the Bulls keep him, but he wouldn’t be bad in Atlanta. Also Jamal crawford should start…period. We have a guy who can put up 20 off the bench..he needs to start!!! Bring Teague of the bench.

Grandad

July 13th, 2010
11:05 pm

Kwame had potential. Jordan broke his spirit. Never been the same.
*Kwame 6-10, w-span, shorter than Marv.
LD prefers Brad Miller, that’s good enough for me.

Shaq’s not gonna run a motion offense.

People calling for:
Kwame & Barnes, we must do better than that.

Our new nemesis is going to take more than a burly center.

Tolliver = 6-7, we have plenty of those. [nothing against him personal]

Marc – mentioned Troy Murphy
Would be great in LD’s offense. [expiring contract as well]

One note:
Miller 4 yrs. younger than Shaq.

Gotta go, McCann just doubled in 3 runs.

Oh Yeah…..Almost forgot…..Thanks MannyT…..!!!

Hoops

July 13th, 2010
11:10 pm

From RealGM:

If the Mavericks are unable to reach a deal with Al Harrington, they could turn to free agent Anthony Tolliver.

The Bulls, Lakers, Warriors, Jazz and Hawks are also interested in Tolliver.

I wish the Hawks would get off their BUTTS and go get Tolliver! He would be a really good sign. We would still need another big, but Tolliver would help!!!

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
11:12 pm

@ Truth – I will agree with you if we are still waiting around on Friday.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2010
11:14 pm

McCann with the bases clearing double. Serious question: when is the last time a Hawk made a big play in an All-Star game?

northcyde

July 13th, 2010
11:15 pm

Props to the U. of Tennessee F/C Wayne Chism tonight, playing for the Summer League “juggernaut” Sacramento Kings.

13 pts
4 rebs
6 – 7 FG

Show these folks that you belong in the league Wayne. Good job man.

northcyde

July 13th, 2010
11:16 pm

Even Nique played lackluster ball in All-Star game.

Hoops

July 13th, 2010
11:18 pm

Grandad,

Motion offenses can be run from a 5 out set, to a 4 out-1 in set, & to a 3 out-2 in set. With Shaq, the Hawks would probably run 4 out-1 in according who was in the game at the time.

As far as Tolliver goes, the Hawks need a swing player that can play SF and PF according to who was in the game. Tolliver would be able to do that better than Marvin or Josh!

northcyde

July 13th, 2010
11:18 pm

I got $41 in my pocket. I guarantee you that 80% of the people on this board couldn’t even point out who Anthony Tolliver was, even if he had his uniform on. ( that is, before they looked up his clips on youtube . . even then, they probably don’t remember his jersey number )

LOL . . I guess he’s the new obsession amongst Hawk fans.

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
11:21 pm

MC,
Are the Hawks looking to sign a Wing or PG?

Hoops

July 13th, 2010
11:23 pm

northcyde,

I am with you on Chism. I was surprised that he did not get drafted in the 2nd round. I wish the Hawks would invite him to training camp. He’s got a lot of promise as a PF.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
11:23 pm

@ northclyde – I don’t know who he is.

Truth-Serum

July 13th, 2010
11:24 pm

Rev in Tampa I be waiting! See ya Friday.

Truth-Serum

July 13th, 2010
11:25 pm

Rev in Tampa one other thing. Scrubs dont count.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
11:26 pm

Melvin,

I dont think Hawks would sign a PG. Not when they have Teague, Bibby, Jamal, and Joe who can all handle the ball.

They could sign a wing, but I doubt it too, becuase Marvin, Mo Evans and JJ will see time at SF.

I think Rick is focused only on bigs (my two cents).

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
11:29 pm

You guys dont get hype in the summer league thing deion glover was mvp in summer league play with the hawks one year go figure.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 13th, 2010
11:31 pm

ACIE LAW WAS A BEAST IN SUMMER LEAGUE PLAY, WAKE UP FANS BEFORE IT’S 2 LATE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Hoops

July 13th, 2010
11:31 pm

O’Brien,

My two cents is that the Hawks will have to use Bibby, Evans, Marvin, Zaza, TPE, bi-annual, and the MLE to get any players that are going to improve their line up. I’m still considering Shaq, K. Brown, Tolliver, M. Barnes, Livingston, and JC Watson as possibilities according who they trade to get a big in a S&T.

What is Sund waiting on???

Josh

July 13th, 2010
11:31 pm

Out of all to choose from, I like Anthony Tolliver. And according to rumors, Tollvier is looking at the Hawks. He had some double doubles at Center last year for Golden State and can play some solid defense. WE DO NOT NEED BRAD MILLER. What are the Hawks thinking? He is a waste of space and money. Get Tolliver and be done with it. He is young and will be able to run in this offense that LD is wanting to run.

Here is the link to the rumor that Tolliver is talking to the Hawks.

twitter.com/christomasson/status/18380089037

macaroni tony

July 13th, 2010
11:32 pm

@ Northclyde I don’t know who he is.

Josh

July 13th, 2010
11:39 pm

This is why we need Tolliver:

youtube.com/watch?v=0qn3A1YaQno

Josh

July 13th, 2010
11:40 pm

another reason why we need Tolliver:

youtube.com/watch?v=aBRSGb2zd_E&feature=related

Truth-Serum

July 13th, 2010
11:40 pm

Shaq, K. Brown, Tolliver, M. Barnes, Livingston, and JC Watson as possibilities according who they trade to get a big in a S&T.

There’s nothing in this list to catapult us back into the top 3 teams.

ReddJonn68

July 13th, 2010
11:41 pm

I’m gonna be sick after all this FA movement this summer all that is left is these guys. Thanks Sund this really shows that it has to be more than the team’s effort, management can’t seem to perform in the clutch either. We just don’t seem to be able to make an attractive pitch to anyone out there during this money carnival. Shaq should have been locked down long ago. MIller & Tolliver !!! Say What

Paul Hewitt's Agent

July 13th, 2010
11:43 pm

@ Rev in Tampa – Just for you…

Blessed are the poor Atlanta Spirit, for their money is not for the Association.

Blessed are those Hawks fans who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit Shaq

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,
for they will be filled with Chic Fil-A and Vitamin Water.

Blessed are the merciful Heat, for they shall show the Hawks mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see the Lakers win the championship again.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of David Stern.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of Free Agency, for theirs is the kingdom of Miami.

Blessed are you when people insult you on the blog, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Rick Sund. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in the playoffs, for in the same way they persecuted the Hawks who were before you.

Darren Farts

July 13th, 2010
11:44 pm

LAZY SUND AND STOOPID ASG.. IF HE WERE MO BETTER WE WOULD HAVE
CP3, JT00
WADE/JJ
SOMEGUYWHOCOULDN’T MAKE THE BULLS/MARVIN
SMOOOOOVE/HOR(T)FORD
ZOUBEK/SHAQ
ADD SOME BAD GRAMMAR AND SPELLING
THEN A YOUTUBE VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/whothehellcares
I TYPE IN ALL CAPS SO IT MUST BE SO
GO HAWKS!!!

Rondo

July 13th, 2010
11:44 pm

Alexander Johnson will be a better fit than Kwame.He was one of the top players in the nbdl last season.6′10 with a 7 foot wing span.On Rockets summer roster if they don’t want him get him.

ReddJonn68

July 13th, 2010
11:48 pm

People snap out of it, if Tolliver could not get it done on a squad like the Warriors who haven’t had a low post game since Joe Barry Carroll. How much help is he going be our low post game which has never been worse than the Warriors lol.

cdog

July 13th, 2010
11:51 pm

TRUTH SERUM, RIGHT ON! YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.MAYBE ONE DAY WE WON’T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH HIM.MAYBE OND DAY WE WILL HAVE A REAL GM WHO WANTS TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.YOU’RE THE MAN TRUTH SERUM, I WISH EVERYONE ELSE COULD SEE IT LIKE WE DO

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2010
11:55 pm

@Paul Hewitt’s Agent – thanks! That made my night. I gave up the All Star game after the fifth inning so my wife could watch one of her dramas. I needed a pick-me-up.

Justafan

July 13th, 2010
11:56 pm

Yes…..get him asp!

Justafan

July 13th, 2010
11:57 pm

Brian McCann MVP in All-Star game. NL wins….great!

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
11:58 pm

Tolliver does a decent job down low, but one of his assets is that he stretches the floor. In 46 games, he made 50 3pters. In 81 games, Marvin made 40 3pters.

Remember, the Hawks were interested in Big Z at the deadline, and big Z is not a banger. If he was, then Cleveland would not have signed Shaq.

And although I like Tolliver, I dont think he is the answer to our need at center. I would sign Tolliver to play spot minutes at PF and center, but I would still sign a wide body.

It is being reported that Miami is close to signing Juwan Howard (who did a decent job last year).

Drinking my truth serum up on the north side

July 13th, 2010
11:59 pm

Woodson planned to give Teague a chance to supplant Bibby, and that hasn’t changed now that Drew is the coach. Teague said Bibby told him he would push Teague, but wouldn’t be upset if he took his starting spot.

“At the end of the year he came up to me and was like: ‘Young fella, I’m getting older. I asked them to play you [more] last year, but this year it’s your opportunity.’”

— the reason Woodrow got fired

Drinking my truth serum up on the north side

July 14th, 2010
12:00 am

c dog run. c dog pee on your car’s tires. c stupid dog complain about a gm and always type in CAPS because he can’t find the CAPS LOCK KEY.

Drinking my truth serum up on the north side

July 14th, 2010
12:01 am

Al Jefferson could not hold Karl Malone’s jock strap. Check dat, Al Jefferson could not hold Carlos Boozer’s jock strap either. Deron Williams can’t pass to a big butt center wannabe who cannot even out play Kevin Love.

Suckers.

Drinking my truth serum up on the north side

July 14th, 2010
12:02 am

Woodrow still don’t have a job. Poetic justice if you ask me. Ha haaaaaa

ReddJonn68

July 14th, 2010
12:03 am

I’m just saying. Why did Miami even sign big Z, where was he during the series against Boston or anytime during the playoffs. Lebron must be hanging with Scarface down in South Beach & powdering his nose, to even endorse that pick up !!!!

Clyde

July 14th, 2010
12:06 am

If we can’t get Brad Miller I think we should try and get Sean Williams

Drinking my truth serum up on the north side

July 14th, 2010
12:07 am

Sean Williams is a joke. So is clyde.

Drinking my truth serum up on the north side

July 14th, 2010
12:08 am

Ilgauskus is a tool and a punk

JeJe

July 14th, 2010
12:09 am

LOL SUND IS CONTENT WITH OUR CORE. WATCH HIS INTERVIEW ON HAWKS.COM

THIS IDIOT ACTUALLY THINKS WE CAN CONTEND WITH BIBBY AND MARIVN. NO MENTION OF HOW ORLANDO AND CLEVELAND !@#$$D US 2 YEARS IN A ROW IN THE PLAYOFFS

LOL @ DREW STILL HAVING BIBBY AS A STARTER

LOL

dstdeelite

July 14th, 2010
12:12 am

no thank you on Brad Miller. One word…..soft

Whopper Dawg

July 14th, 2010
12:12 am

I am going to take just a wild, wild guess, a shot in the dark if you will.

The Hawks will get no one that they are targeting and will have to settle for someone that nobody wants.

JeJe

July 14th, 2010
12:13 am

SUND HAS NO DESIRE TO IMPROVE THIS TEAM.

HE THINKS OUR CORE WILL WIN A TITLE. ACTUALLY, HE KEPT SAYING THEY’D GO DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS (DIDN’T SAY CONTEND).

JOE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT WINNING. LISTEN TO HIS INTERVIEWS – ALL HE TALKS ABOUT IS HAVING FUN AND DOING HIS THING. DIDN’T EVEN TAKE A PAYCUT (OF COURSE NO ONE IN THE ATLANTA MEDIA IS SMART ENOUGH TO ASK HIM WHY)

dstdeelite

July 14th, 2010
12:13 am

what about Serena Williams? She’s tougher than Brad Miller.

hawks_4_life

July 14th, 2010
12:14 am

dstdeelite bigger gunz too!!!

Hawk n the Ham

July 14th, 2010
12:17 am

Call Guiness book of records, ask them where to find the worlds tallest man. Sign him to a 5 year deal.

Truth-Serum

July 14th, 2010
12:25 am

someone posted that “turnover teague” has a .75 assist to turn over ratio and felt that was great and a markedly improvement.

My response…WHAT?

nobody in the top 50 has an ass/to ratio that low… excuse me? teague step away from the ball.He blew that game against the grizzlies with a turnover at 83-83 with time running out. Thats why did was not used in critical times last year. .75 is just god awful.

Consider Jason kid is 4.67 assists to turnovers Or Rondo is 3.1. Come on hawks fans. You arent going very far with .75 controlling your point.

Problem with some fans is the mistake likability with talent. We need talent folk not popularity. Compare these stats league wide before you run off at the mouth people. If its true that teague is at .75 ass/to Please cut the guy and lets move on. Like him or not.He should be better than that by now.This is a summer camp, imagine the regular season.

Truth-Serum

July 14th, 2010
12:28 am

Bibby’s assist to turnover ratio is 3.44 assist to 1 turnover
teague summer play .75 assist to 1 turnover

darrell starks

July 14th, 2010
12:29 am

JE JE I FEEL YOU BRO, all the other bloggers want player like BRAD MILLER, TOLLIVER, RANDY WITTMAN, SCRUB PLAYER, and on the other hand me you want players like CHRIS PAUL, MICHAEL JORDAN, D WADE, listen when will the hawks fan wake up your not winning a tittle unless you 3 star player on your team or at least 1 super star and 2 stars, the nba history book don’t lie.
THE ONLY NBA TEAM 2 WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH OUT AT LEAST 3 STAR ON THE TEAM ARE THE PISTON.
BUT THEY HAD A SOLID STARTING FIVE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

I MUS WRITE

July 14th, 2010
12:33 am

Sean Williams? Really Clyde……Stay off the juice man.

Brad Miller>>>>>> ZaZa /R.Morris /Joe Smith/ Cheezeburger

Truth-Serum

July 14th, 2010
12:33 am

Exhibit A, a brain on drugs thinking .75 is a good assist to tour-over ratio

Mr. Phil

July 13th, 2010
9:17 am

On Jeff Teague

16 points with a .75 assist to turnover ratio would be great if he can carry that over to the regular season. That is better production than we got from the PG spot last year. It is impressive enough for me to believe the guy should get a shot. The stats show he has some talent. The only way talent becomes production is with playing time. Period!

No body in the top 50 assists leaders has a score that bad…And you want this guy to run the team. Perhaps he should look for another line of work.

darrell starks

July 14th, 2010
12:33 am

Since nba been around there might be 2 or 3 team 2 win and nba title with out at least 1super star.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

Truth-Serum

July 14th, 2010
12:34 am

*turn-over

Truth-Serum

July 14th, 2010
12:35 am

darrell starks and even fewer with out a legitimate presence in the post.

I MUS WRITE

July 14th, 2010
12:39 am

There is a woman on my couch who Im so not intrested in -hence the blogging, My gawd her conversation is boring me to peices. I need another drink Jeez.
Grandpa whass good fall through, Patron,Grey Goose,Cognac on chill- theres an extra lady here for you.

darrell starks

July 14th, 2010
12:41 am

CHECK THE NBA HISTORY BOOK A LIST OF NBA CHAMPIONS FROM 1980-2010 WOW.
according 2 the nba history the hawks will never win a title unless they land a super star player.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Wabe

July 14th, 2010
12:42 am

Ding.

Grandad

July 14th, 2010
12:42 am

Hoops:

Really
Quite frankly, motion can be run also from a 1-4 or even a a 5 in.
when my teams ran 5 in we just called it the flex. However, 3 out & 2 in…
was the one I used most. I paticularly liked to go with a double high
set to to initiate the offense. I also used it quite effectively vs most
zones. Although, last eve didn’t you like when the Hawks went 4 out
& 1 high vs mem when they tried to zone. I liked to use a man to run
the baseline against the zone. [he played the short corners]
The thing is not that you use a post – as most coaches use post players
when employing motion offenses. The trick with the “Princeton” is to
maintain floor spacing plus continuous movement @ all times so as not
to clog the middle. [You see the "Princeton is predicated on cutting]
If a player, say a big ‘lard-ass’ is standing around the hoop all the time a
shotblocker such as D.Howard can become a goaltender, therefore
rendering the offense less effective. When a team has mobile post players
[+ interchangeable parts] such as Marv, Josh, & Al it makes the offense
much more fluid and dangerous.
Also the use of multiple screens not only creates movement but cutting,
both by the screener & the cutter as there is a read on every screen whether
a ball screen or a screen away from the ball. Thus setting up back-cuts as
Teaguer did last eve [back cuts are counter moves].
Even the triangle involves motion just not much screening.
Some people have called LD’s offense the “Pentangle”.
He may have done so himself.
This would be a misnomer because “triangle” refers to the geometry
of the offense as opposed to the # of players.
Motion offense involves triangle concepts as well.
However you are correct…you can run motion a variety of ways.
If you care to discuss further, please engage as this is an area of expertise.
Brad Miller is still a better fit in LD’s offense, according to LD.
[I like Shaq as a comedian]-(he could be the next Barkley)

Wabe

July 14th, 2010
12:46 am

“I wanna superstar player…”

Obama waves the wand…

Unemployments gone.
Healthcare’s free.
Peace in the Middle East.

And the Hawks get a superstar, a legitimate 7′0 center, and a top-flight PG.

Damn man, saying the same thing over and over has got the Hawks lookin at Kwame Brown and Brad Miller. Let’s see how lucky they’d get if you guys…

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHEEEEEEEEEE___________UPPPPPPP!

Wabe

July 14th, 2010
12:47 am

Excuse that last post.

Kwijibo

July 14th, 2010
12:49 am

If we don’t get Shaw, I think we stay with what we have.

I hear all the whining here, but this is about as much excitement I’ve had for a Hawks team since Spud won the slam dunk contest. Are we perfect? Hell no. But we do have a good nucleus of players…that don’t shoot people at night clubs or hold hour long TV shows to tell them where they will go to the bathroom next. I’m disappointed, but not surprised with the fan base.

Who could have thought we’d have a winner with the 7 dwarfs in a law suit owning the team?

Who would have thought our new GM could have traded “Speedy” for the 6th man of the year?

Who would have thought we’d resign Joe Johnson? Really. You would have called ASG cheap for not anteing up to keep their perennial All-Star (yet not a leader). Reality is that we couldn’t have gotten anything better than a MLE player if he would have done a straight sign with NY, Chicago. Might it have worked out for the best if Joe had left? Perhaps, but our “cheap” owners invested in the future of this team and took a risk.

Man folks… be a sports fan, not an armchair quarterback. I remember in the 70’s we put bumper stickers on our cars for the Braves that said, “This Could Be The Year”…and we always believed it. 100 losses later, I was still the biggest Braves fan in the world.

Root for your team. Hope for the best.

Grandad

July 14th, 2010
12:49 am

I MUS

Surely you wern’t talkin to me?

Kwijibo

July 14th, 2010
12:50 am

If we don’t get Shaq** .. oopsie.. I don’t think Brian Shaw would help us as he’s as old as I am.

cdog

July 14th, 2010
12:55 am

DRINKING MY TRUTH SERUM ON THE NORTHSIDE,ANY THING GET RICK SUND OFF HIS SORRY BEHIND.HE NEEDS TO HEAD OUT THE DOOR.HE SHOULD TAKE HIS SALARY FOR THE GOOD HE DOES, AND PUT IT WITH THE TEAMS SO CALLED, OVER THE SALARY CAP THEORY AND ADD IT TO THE TEAM SO WE CAN SIGN SHAQ OR WHATEVER CENTER WE NEED.RICK SUND MUST GO IF HE DOESN’T IMPROVE THE TEAM THIS OFF SEASON

Darrell Farts

July 14th, 2010
12:58 am

ALL CAPS IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR THE COOL PEEPZ
GO HAWKS!!!!!

Truth-Serum

July 14th, 2010
1:13 am

Grandad are you saying Thabeet is still available? I asked you last post but I guess this one was up already.

cp

July 14th, 2010
1:26 am

Damn we need an ignore feature for this board….. Tolliver, Brewer, and Kwame and call it a day. Then move Mo Evans for anything you can get…. No more Mario or RandyMo.

Grandad

July 14th, 2010
1:35 am

Sorry I missed it.
No, I don’t necessarily think he’s available.
Let me re-phrase that.
He’s certainly not untouchable.
But, I don’t think Mem has given up on him yet.
However he will probably always be behind Gasol.
He has a relativly high rookie contract. [due to high draft pos]
So, to answer, I’ve not heard or read anything.
I have been trying to conjur up names of players who would be
of more value to us than their present team.
HT could be in rotation with J&A while apprenticing here.
Wheras we might have a player who may be of more immediate
value to Mem. [perhaps Marv]
Pure speculation on my part, while trying to figure out a way
to use the TPE to it’s full advantage.
I wish I could report solid news but I’ve scoured every source
that I know and can find nothing remotely concerning the Hawks.

Grandad

July 14th, 2010
1:38 am

Oh – sorry forgot.

* 1:35 @ TS *

Presham the Great from Port arthur TX

July 14th, 2010
2:11 am

i think we all agree that the hawks better get a center in here or we’re in a heap of sh@& I swear when i watched howard kill i mean i felt like howard was raping my mom the first half and touching my granny the second he molested the hawks and those 5 men on the floor should be checked to see if howard got them pregnant cause he sure bonked the smurf out of them

cp

July 14th, 2010
2:12 am

Looks like Tolliver might be going to Dallas now. SMH what happened to all the talk about improving the roster. Seriously when are the Hawks going to make a move

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2010
2:35 am

Denver is about to see a huge spike in the local market for Wacky Waving Inflatable-Arm Flailing Tube Men.

pinoy hawk

July 14th, 2010
2:40 am

Brad miller and bibby can teach the young ones how to execute the motion/princeton offense as they did during their sacramento days! So get mr. miller!! (if shaq’s not available)

Go hawks!

MaxxHawk

July 14th, 2010
4:19 am

I can’t believe anyone is seriously mentioning Kwame Brown to come here and fill our need at Center. I’d rather us go after Priest Lauderdale

d.carter

July 14th, 2010
7:06 am

lets face it we arent trying to win now like every other team in the nba

vava74

July 14th, 2010
7:06 am

WHY don’t we stop all this nonsense and obsession about get a Center to “control” HOWARD?????

We did not lose all those games against the Magic because we could not stop Howard and because he is an “unstoppable force”, we lost all those games on account of a complete lack of Offensive and Defensive strategy.

On D we were torched from 3 point land and all the switching left Howard (in particular in the playoffs) completely free to dunk on pick and roll situations with Nelson. SO: PERIMETER D was our main problem against the Magic.

THAT IS HOW THE CELTS CONTROLLED HOWARD: they controlled the perimeter, stopped the 3 pointers and kept Nelson under wraps and away from the paint.

On Offense, without ball movement, all our ISO plays led the guy with the rock alone into the paint and into Howard’s help defense and his shot blocking.

We need to rotate the ball, keep a C in the high post and get Howard to come out and take advantage of displacing him (Miller could do this, as Al can do as well mainly from the left side).

Also, we need to have more penetration OUT OF BALL movement, with Howard having to react instead of just waiting patiently in the paint.

If we do this, ORL are PERFECTLY BEATABLE with the personnel we have.

O'Brien

July 14th, 2010
7:27 am

All we heard from Sund and his assistant GM was how the Hawks will look to free agency for veterans. I guess they are still looking.

Ultimately, I think for the Hawks to get the guy they want, they will probably have to overpay. And that is not something the Hawks seem willing to do.

It will be interesting to see if they end up with players who sign for the vet minimum.

Truth Serum,

John Wall’s assist to turnover ratio in summer league is 1.13. Since Bibby’s assist to turnover ratio is 3.4, would you trade Bibby for John Wall?

Blameless

July 14th, 2010
7:32 am

Hmmm. Brad Miller is the only center out there, besides Shaq and his old, fat baggage, who comes with any stats at all. Big guys who can’t score four points in a game is all there is. Yet, nobody on this blog wants Brad Miller. Wonder why that is?

dukester

July 14th, 2010
7:43 am

I thought Tyson Chandler would have been a good pick up. He can run he is not that tough but if he could have remained injury free we would have competed with the guy. I mean with Josh, Al and Chandler we would have been very long, agile and fast in the front court. But personally I think the hawks brass think we already have a “allstar center” in Horford. LOL Love the kid but he is a power forward plain and simple.

Well i guess i get to continue to see Josh come from the blind side and be our shot blocking presence lol.

Jackson

July 14th, 2010
7:47 am

Where is Garrett Siler???

STRETCH

July 14th, 2010
7:50 am

O’Brien,

“Ultimately, I think for the Hawks to get the guy they want, they will probably have to overpay. And that is not something the Hawks seem willing to do.”

Didnt they OVERPAY Joe Johnson?

Brad OK

July 14th, 2010
7:54 am

Listen up:

There is NO ONE available now, nor has there been anyone available this year who can guard Dwight Howard!

Brad M would be ok in that with he and Al drifting out to 15 – 20 feet from the basket, DH would be forced to come away from the basket, leaving the lane clear, leaving everyone else on the team to go to the hole.

You can’t stop DH. You must outscore him, frustrate him, get him in foul trouble and tire him out.

A deadly shooter like BM would be welcome considering the FAMOUS SCORING DROUGHTS that the Hawks are known for. Welcome Brad!

Nahila

July 14th, 2010
7:54 am

The Hawks are sitting on their hands now since they overpaid to keep Joe Johnson and Joe is not sharing the wealth to help in bringing in some quality players to get to the next level. I watch all the Hawk options flying off the available list as other teams are re-loading with the quality free agents and the Hawks are silent. If they do not act soon, they will be left with few options on signing a big center who might could help with meaningful minutes. If money differences is the only reason that the Hawks cannot sign Shaq, they need to realize how many additional fans would come to the games to watch Shaq play which would more than pay for his increased salary demands. Miller is a good ballplayer but he would not bring in the additional fans to the games, so get off your hands Hawk management and owners and go sign Shaq or watch your fan base erode as they are not exactly enthused with Joe Johnson and he will share the blame with ownership for any failure for a bad performance season that certainly appears eill happen since Orlando, Miami, Boston have all reloaded along with Dallas, LA, Phoenix, and Utah. Maybe even a losing record for next season if the Hawks do not get busy and sign somebody at center that can play meaningful minutes. The Hawks need help at SF and C plus they need to restock at PG. They will most likely have to bring in a PF (which they do not need) or an under- whelming center if they miss out on Shaq or Miller unless they can trade for a player that can help. The only players that might be tradeable would be Evans with his expiring contract, maybe Bibby (but doubtful) or Williams with his moderate contract terms.

Joey

July 14th, 2010
8:10 am

Thought JJ was gonna recruit us some players . . .

coo coo bird fan

July 14th, 2010
8:21 am

People who say they are not scared of the Heat because they only have three stars and a bunch of scrubs aren’t paying attention. Who on Atlanta can stop Lebron? how about Wade? Chris Bosh? Exactly we cant stop either one of them, long live the Heat dynasty. We had our chance, I dont care who you get for center. Joe is awesome but he’s just not the caliber player of LeWosh. They picked a bad time to have a bad playoffs, last year was our year . Is it gettin hot in here? Must be the Heat.

ILL-logical

July 14th, 2010
8:21 am

A question that might be asked even in the middle of the discussion of which third rate center the Hawks will sign is whether or not Jeff Teague should be expected to carry the load at point guard as essentially a rookie?

While he is a clear upgrade in terms of mam to man ddefense,especially against the quick penetrating gurds that were most effective against the Hawks last season, can he take the team “deep into the playoffs”?

That phrase ,allegedly used by the team GM to describe this season’s team goal, dosn’t sound like winning a championship is on his radar.

cdog

July 14th, 2010
8:46 am

TO WIN THE KENTUCKY DERBY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE HORSES.WELL RICK SUND WILL TRY TO WIN WITH A MULE IF IT MEANS SAVING MONEY WHICH DOWN THE ROAD, HE IS GOING TO BLOW IT ON A WASTED PLAYER.HE’S GIVEN AWAY TWO PLAYERS WHICH COULD HAVE MADE AN IMPACT ON THE TEAM.DAVE ANDERSEN AND NOW JOSH CHILDRESS.WELL, KEEP BELIEVING SUND IS USING STRATEGY AND KNOWS WHAT HE’S DOING.PRETTY SOON THE HAWKS WILL THE LA CLIPPERS AND THE WASHUNGTON WIZARDS ROLLED INTO ONE. SUND SHOULD BE ABOUT TO BE ON HIS WAY OUT AS GM.I KNOW A LOT OF FANS ARE TIRED OF HIS LAZINESS AND LACK OF CARING AS WELL AS EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE TEAM.

Paddy

July 14th, 2010
8:50 am

The Hawks have been a young team. They are still a young team. And in the near future they will still be young team going nowhere.

OK

July 14th, 2010
8:54 am

“At the end of the year he came up to me and was like: ‘Young fella, I’m getting older. I asked them to play you [more] last year, but this year it’s your opportunity.’”

Almost choked me up man.

TRADE HIM B4 THE REST OF THE LEAGUE FINDS OUT HE’S FINISHED!

OK

July 14th, 2010
9:02 am

BTW Gladyr at 190lbs weighs more than Pape Sy (185) and Jeff Teague(183)

PMC

July 14th, 2010
9:15 am

Kwame Brown??? wow, the options are really thin huh….geez.

Let me know when Kwame Brown does anything relevant on the NBA level.

richbrave

July 14th, 2010
9:18 am

BRAD MILLER would be a good choice for the HAWKS. I like it.

ADAM MORISON to the WIZARDS? Well, they only need a #3 and an end of the bench guard to complete the squad with the addition of HILTON ARMSTRONG. A move designed for insurance purposes only.

McGEE is going to be the man, but my lord he’s got miles to go to learn the NBA game. I watched him drive to the hoop in Summer League after a JOHN WALL pass, and he tried to bring the ball up off his CHEST! And him having added three inches to his length since he was drafted at 19 (now 7′ 1″). Of course a shlub center blocked it. That happened several times. He doesn’t even know how to use the physical assets he has to advantage, and this after three years of tutelage – or not, maybe.

For those of you calling on the ASG to get McGEE, be glad it didn’t happen. You’ll see what I mean this coming year.

NBA Free Agency Rumors 7/14/10 « SprungOnSports

July 14th, 2010
9:21 am

[...] Lowry to a four year offer sheet worth $24 million. Houston has seven days to match and plan to. -Shaq and Brad Miller are still in play for Atlanta and O’Neal may not have any more options besides the Hawks. [...]

jeff

July 14th, 2010
9:38 am

Ok- We need a back up center. We have a limited budget to work with and all of these over paid long contracts that these players are starting to sign and the players us bloggers want and are asking for is not going to happen. Plain and simple! We are over the cap. And we have lost money the last 3 to 4 years. We aren’t going over more than we are now into the luxury tax. It isn’t all about Sund not calling the shots. He has a budget to work with that was given to him.

We have a couple of options to get mid level players. And the suggestions on here aren’t logical.

No one wants Bibby and his contract trade or no trade. We need to stay put with Marvin and give him a chance. So that leave Mo. We need to hold on to Mo he also needs to be given a chance with more meaningful minutes.

That leaves us with 3 roster spots at most. And we have few dollars to spend. So logical suggestions are below.

1. Find Garrett Siler. Invite him to training camp and give him a fair shot at earning a job/ spot.
2. Get a center for the minimum (list below)
3. Get another PF for the minimum and maybe a guard.

Choices are not there for a big man with out a trade. And here are last year salaries.

Center-
Theo Ratliff- $825, 497
Brad Miller- $12,250,000. He isn’t going to take MLE so we need to move on

Heat don’t want Shaq back in Miami? | Ben Maller

July 14th, 2010
9:40 am

[...] the Heat. Has everyone already forgotten how he torched the organization on his way to Phoenix? I checked in with some Miami peeps I can assure they haven’t forgotten down there. It looks like the Mavs are still interested in Shaq, but after re-signing Brendan Haywood they [...]

PUBLIX

July 14th, 2010
9:40 am

I really hope we get both Shaq and Miller. At that point we need to trade Bibby and Williams to San Antonio for Jefferson.

Start:

Teague
Johnson
Smith
Horford
Shaq

Bench:

Crawford
Crawford
Jefferson
Zaza
Miller

You still have Evans, Randmo, and Mario

dstdeelite

July 14th, 2010
9:41 am

Rasheed Wallace did about as good a job on Howard as anybody had done all year hands down. They frustrated him in the post by playing him straight up and not letting him get a deep post position. When the help defense did come, Howard was either stripped or he kicked the ball out. When he kicked the ball out, the help defender quickly recovered. It’s all about effort and fight. We had neither in that series. No amount of size can give you that. IMO Brad Miller nor Shaq is the answer. And for the love of God not Kwame Brown. He has plywood for hands. Worst hands in the league. They must be the size of the guy on the Burger King commercial because he can’t hold on to the ball to save his life.

Brad Miller to Hawks, Celtics or Heat? | Ben Maller

July 14th, 2010
9:42 am

[...] it’s tough to say. There are a lot of things he’s looking at. Nothing has been decided.” Boston and Miami also reportedly have been talking to Miller, but a return to Chicago is still a possibility. Bartelstein said Miller could make a decision by [...]

Progeny

July 14th, 2010
9:43 am

Kwame Brown will do although I wanted to see more activity from the hawks front office since the draft. Kendrick Perkins averaged something like 6 pts and 6 rebs in the series against ORL……and was very effective on Howard. I believe that perimeter defense is our most serious problem against that team. If we can get a big man who can put a body on Howard without getting fouled out for 30 min a night we will be straight so long as we play some defense on the perimeter. That means light on the ZaZa and really light on the Bibby. We can’t be trying trying to hide people’s defensive weaknesses against a team that can light it up from three like they can.

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2010
9:46 am

Brad Miller would be a good sign. There is always more than one way to skin a cat. We all know DHoward is foul prone, and he’s basically the sum total of Orlando’s DEF. Without him patrolling the middle, the rest of their players lack of DEF ability is exposed. That means you can attack him in the lane, pull him out of the lane, or both. BMiller might not be able to stop him or match up him physically, but his shooting ability could force DHoward out of the lane.

That was the key to the OFF success of the original BAD BOY Pistons with BLambier at center. Hawk fans have got to start thinking outside the box, and learn to embrace different of multiple ways of dealing with an issue, rather than focusing on just one unreasonable solution. It’s just not reasonable for us to invest the kind on money Shaq is demanding, along with the negative baggage he brings, in hopes he’ll be capable and healthy enough to contain DHoward.

The negative baggage Shaq brings with him where ever he’s gone has caused him to wear out his welcome, burn bridges, and create animosity at every stop he’s made(Orlando, LA, Miami, Phoenix and Cleveland). At his last 2 stops, the teams actually regressed with him in the lineup, which prompted both teams to fire their HC’s and send him packing after only one yr.

The combination of EGO and diminished skills has caused him to think far too much of himself and his actual abilities. As a result, he’s now become a whining, injury prone, disruptive player that’s living in the past, as far as his skill level and overall talents are concerned. Unfortunately, a lot of our fans seem to share his delusion about what he’s actually capable of doing for the Hawks.

Let his ego driven butt end up where ever he wants, but not here. We can sign 2 athletic big bodies for less money than he’s demanding. With 2 additional big bodies on the bench, to go along with Zaza and backup Horford, we can use depth and strategy to deal with which ever center(s) we have to encounter.

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2010
10:03 am

I wouldn’t have a problem with us signing KBrown and DJ MBenga. Instead of using up our trade exemption to meet Shaq’s demands, we could probably get away with using only a portion of it to sign them both. In addition to Zaza, it would give us 2 athletic, physical, 7 footers with the potential to do a good job off rebounding, playing DEF and blocking shots coming off the bench.

Their athleticism also allows them to fit LDrew’s uptempo style of motion OFF much better than Shaq. And more importantly, with them instead of Shaq, we won’t have to worry about ego issues, disruption, and what I call the MBibby syndrome, where his skills suddenly disappear and he becomes a liability.

Shawks

July 14th, 2010
10:13 am

I think Brad Miller, Tolliver and either Brewer / J. Howard / Barnes would be enough to make this team extremely competitive. We would just need to convince some of these guys to come here for part of the MLE or in a sign and trade (Using the trade exception and Mo). Nobody that we add now is going to get more than 20 minutes maximum a game barring injuries. Our core for better or worse is our core. Our 2 deep would be:

PG – JT, Bibby
SG – JJ, JC, JC2
SF – Marvin, Brewer/Barnes/Howard
PF – Smith, Tolliver
C – Horford, Zaza, Miller

Also, whoever compared Sund to Steinbrenner is a joke. Different sports and different positions. No salary cap in baseball so Steinbrenner can spend all he wants plus it was his own money. Sund is limited by the cap and the budget set by ASG…when you are an employee, you lose your job pretty quickly when you blow by your budget.

cp

July 14th, 2010
10:13 am

People please stop bringing up Siler. The dude is terrible. Other than being big, what has he done to get all this attention? He just does not have it. I would rather have RandyMo over him and RandyMo is terrible too. Stop bringing up Siler.

dukester

July 14th, 2010
10:16 am

“We could not be more excited to add Tyson Chandler,” Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said in a statement. “He is one of the most versatile big men in the league today. He gives our front line a defensive, shot-blocking, athletic punch we haven’t had here in a while.

Hey Ricky read what one of your counter parts has said and done. take note sir. Match that up with Al Horford=Atheletic
Josh Smith=Atheletic
Somebody man please no not Brad Miller while i respect his game but he is not what we need. We need tough hardnosed defense and rebounding man dont you get this!!!!

Around The NBA: Lowry, Hawks, Raptors « TheUpperCardNetwork.com

July 14th, 2010
10:26 am

[...] Anthony Tolliver, Kwame Brown and Brad Miller all remain options for the Atlanta Hawks, writes Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal Constitution. [...]

O'Brien

July 14th, 2010
10:31 am

@MC,

Is JJ on the recruiting trail (like his agent said he would be)?

Because if he is, I dont think it’s working. Maybe he needs to change cell phone carriers.

JerryT

July 14th, 2010
10:33 am

Give up on Shaq. He is 38 YEARS OLD. He is not going to be the answer to anything here.

jojo sunshine

July 14th, 2010
10:37 am

Somebody said CP3 is not great. You definitely have not seen this man play basketball. He is the best, “THE BEST” ball handler in the NBA. He can shoot, pass, rebound, and lead. I would say the NBA top 7 players are 1) Lebron, 2) Kobe, 3) Carmelo, 4) CP3, 5) Wade, 6) Howard, 7) Duncan. Duncan would be closer to the top but he is starting to show wear and tear for carrying SA for so long without another big man. Watch out for Demarcus Cousins – he is a beast and might become the most dominant big man behind Dwight Howard.
If th hawks can add anyone of these players (besides Duncan) it would be a definite improvement. I would give up anybody but Josh Smith because that is who CP3 would hook up with on a consistent basis for the trow down monster jam.

D.S.G.B.

July 14th, 2010
10:39 am

i think with the correct big man we would have a very talented lineup with just a few changes within house.

1=teague/bibby
2=jordan/jamaal(id like a repeat nba sixth man)
3=jj/marvin
4=josh smith/alade aminu
5=al horford/shaq

this is a great lineup so that we teague shredding the defense and having TWO dynamic scorers to kick out to, which will spread the floor and open up lanes for al and josh slashin to the basket. plus our second unit would be quite the team as well with our proven sixth man, and marvin was at his greatest coming off the bench at unc, bibby running the point, and big shaq being big shaq. i really like this and believe we would have what it takes without spending alot of money and without getting rid of our core players. just moving them around a bit. what do you guys think?

Chris Eagle

July 14th, 2010
10:41 am

I am an Augusta State MBA alum, and I would love to have fellow ASU alum Garrett Siler playing for the Hawks, but the guy is a project. He was not all that great in exhibition games that I saw him in. We like the idea of a 7 ft C so much, that we but into anything. Just drop it…

Along with this Kwame Brown mess too. Shaq wants too much money. Brad Miller would be ok, but he may be out of our range too. Also, Anthony Tolliver is a back-up PF… that’s all…

oh…

GO HAWKS!!!!!!

jeff

July 14th, 2010
10:46 am

Most big men have been a project at one time or another. It doesn’t mean he shuoldn’t be given the opportunity to earn a spot again. After all. We are looking for back-ups not starters.

vava74

July 14th, 2010
10:46 am

OK,

Bibby should do a pretty decent job as a backup.

He has experience, good court vision and his legs will hold up well and be effective in short shifts which will allow him to be sharp again from the outside.

Last year Bibby had in some games, a few very good first two quarters scoring in bunches (12/15 points) and keeping guys involved only to see his legs going completely dead on the second half.

As a backup I think he will be productive and important and hopefully he will take his conditioning more serious this summer as well since it was clear that he was about 15-20lbs too heavy last year.

lewis

July 14th, 2010
10:55 am

brad miller
true 7 footer 260 + lbs.

not a phenomenal defender but like Sheed he knows how to position his body well and is tough as nails. i think he’s a competitor, played 24 mpg last year which is what we’re looking for.

jeff

July 14th, 2010
11:04 am

Brad Miller made $12,250,000 last year. He isn’t going to take MLE so we need to move on. We don’t have the funds to sign him for a huge contract like he will demand.

We really need to keep it realistic

GT Alum

July 14th, 2010
11:15 am

MC saying Cavs are trying to use Shaq to get Marvin. Not sure how much Hawks’ management is on board with that, but I assume most fans would do that deal in a heartbeat?

Melvin

July 14th, 2010
11:22 am

From David Aldrige tweeter:

Cavs hoping to use Shaq to get Marvin Williams from Atlanta. It’s on the blog on NBA.com: http://bit.ly/94j4pj 37 minutes ago via web

Samuel

July 14th, 2010
11:27 am

Diesel>Duck

Melvin

July 14th, 2010
11:27 am

In the Marvin for Shaq trade, I would make the Cavs send a 1st rnd pick and take Mo. Then sign Barnes and Brewer to play SF.

Astro Joe

July 14th, 2010
11:31 am

Was Chris Grant in the front office when the Hawks selected Marvin? The only way I would consider that trade is if it were only for 1 guaranteed year (or team option for Shaq’s 2nd year). I could see some value of having close to $20M expire next summer (between Jamal, Mo and Shaq). But I wouldn’t consider it if Shaq is looking for a rock-solid 2-year deal.

N.D.T.K.A.

July 14th, 2010
11:35 am

If Hawks are not going to spend any money on free agents, why wait to the end of free agency for leftovers?
Why not get aggressive and send J.J. out to recruit these guys like Miami did and offer the guys a contract at the beginning of free agency with the money you do have? Maybe one of the free agent bigs, pgs, or whoever Hawks are recruiting will bite and take a lesser contract to play with a good playoff team?

TrueHawk

July 14th, 2010
11:43 am

Forget about a center. We would wind up with somebody who is on their way out the NBA door. Keep Alade Aminu and give him minutes instead of parking him at the end of the bench. Fresh legs, fresh attitude and someone who comes from a program that advocates defense and running. Anybody remember Chris Bosh from the same program? This kid certainly has a similar body style and he works hard. I could live with 6′ 10″ running the floor with teague and Joe. How about we get some of these Tech players who always seem to wind up going somewhere else and having good careers. We have an opportunity to steal one here. He should have been drafted. Someone blew it amomg all the NBA teams.

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2010
11:58 am

It looks like Dallas has the right idea and is doing what I have suggested for the Hawks. Get 2 athletic, shot blocking, DEF minded 7 footers to get the job done. All Hawk fans seem to be concerned with is stopping DHorward and Orlando. If we intend to win an NBA championship in the very near future, we’d better start concerning ourselves with the Lakers.

Remember them, the team that’s won the last 2 NBA titles? Teams have obviously found ways to stop DHoward and the Magic, without Shaq, and without having a physical or equally dominant center.

VALVA74-your spot on analysis of MBibby reminded me of something I had forgotten. Yesterday, I read an article that had a comment that said Bibby actually asked Woodson to give Teague more mins, and the person that made that comment was Teague. I bring that up to illustrate Woodson’s unbelievable stubbornness, and his downright unwillingness to listen to anyone on anything. This, coupled with other personal issues and bias’, are constant distractions our current Hawk players won’t have to deal with or overcome with LDrew.

I also think Sund and the ASG’s original intent of wanting to sign a starting quality center has been abandoned, especially after finding out how much it now costs to sign one. I now think plan B is to wait and see how the market plays out and go after quantity rather than quality.

Having 4 centers gives you 2o fouls and allows you to play one on one and wear an opponent down without double teaming. The idea is to shut down 4 players and make only one player carry the OFF load. The LBird led Celtics successfully used that strategy against MJordon and the Bulls, before SPippin came along. Here’s my take on how we can deal with our top competition in the East.

ORLANDO-play straight man to man DEF without double teaming, except as a change of pace. Pressure the ball, shutdown their perimeter players, and let foul prone DHoward work himself to death trying to carry the OFF/DEF load.

MIAMI-play a lot of zone DEF to keep DWade and LeBron out of the lane, which limits their assists, our fouls, and keeps them off the FT line. You make CBosh, OHaslem or MMiller beat you. Our OFF should be good enough to hold its own against both teams.

BOSTON-with KPerkins out for a while, RWallace possibly retiring, and them being a yr older, as well as the match up problems they already have with us, we should prevail over them.

Another good thing about having LDrew as our HC is, we might still have some complaints during the season, but it certainly won’t be about what the player WON’T DO, or WON’T BE ALLOWED TO DO.

drmaryb

July 14th, 2010
12:01 pm

jeff

@938 AM re: Brad Miller salary is currently 12.5M – Brad just looking for some ink in the middle of FA Love.

Right – On Bruh! Move on people, unless ASG blows that outa the water? He stays in Chi-Town.
It’s either Shaq or Bust at this point.

WWSD? Or rather – What will ASG allow Sund to do?

newkid

July 14th, 2010
12:02 pm

Based upon his performance to date Marvin needs new scenery, but is it wise to swap him for a one-year rental of Shaq? Don’t think so. If half a season (to the trade deadline) in LD’s offense happens to improve Marvin’s trade value (even modestly), then we will have regretted sending him off in summer for a mere one-year rental of Shaq. Not cool. The difference between what Shaq wants and the MLE is likely less than $2M, so in effect we’ll be sending Marvin off for less than $2M. Gotta be a much better way to bridge the gap between the MLE and Shaq’s salary requirements.

If we’re attempting to clear cap space for next summer, who are we pursuing? Please, don’t say Horford; he’s our RFA for crying out loud. No, it’s the summer of ‘12 that should be our target, and you know for whom, don’t you? A 2-year deal for Shaq this summer is just about right.

O'Brien

July 14th, 2010
12:12 pm

The Nuggets are not wasting any time. They have agreed to vet minimum deals with Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter (so scratch him off as a potential third PG), after signing Al Harrington. If they can stay healthy, the Nuggets will be deep.

newkid,

Marvin will make $7 mil or so per year. Given Drew’s offense, dont you think we could find other SFs to do what Marvin does (or will do) for a cheaper price?

As for the sign and trade with Cleveland, if I’m the Hawks, I would be interested in Shaq and Jamario Moon (a backup SF) for Marvin Williams and Mo Evans. I would love it if Cleveland adds a future first rounder. And then I would sign Matt Barnes with some of the MLE.

terrell

July 14th, 2010
12:14 pm

Sounds like Doc is trying to trick us into signing Kwame. lol! But on a serious note, I’d take him over Zaza, Morris and Cheeseburger..

Grandad

July 14th, 2010
12:20 pm

No way on earth – Marv for Shaq – !

terrell

July 14th, 2010
12:21 pm

MC, Miami wants to win. Pat Riley wants to win. Dwade wants to win. LJ wants to win. If they think Shaq can help, I’m sure they wont hold some little grudge and act like. itches about something that Shaq said when he was NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE HEAT. Not buying that one.

newkid

July 14th, 2010
12:24 pm

OB,
Not sure we know what Marvin will do under LD’s scheme. Therein lies my concern. Pilot-test the cat in the new system until the trade deadline, then make a more informed decision. If we move him in summer, then we’re moving him at his lowest value to date. We’d better get great pieces for him if we elect this option, only to find out that we acted just a tab sooner than we should have.

terrell

July 14th, 2010
12:26 pm

I saw a ton of Bulls games last year on WGN, and Brad Millers jumpshot is just as bad as Joe Smith’s. Think about that for a few min, and then make your decision on whether you want to sign him or not.

O'Brien

July 14th, 2010
12:28 pm

Good to see Frank Wren and the Braves making moves.

bigdave

July 14th, 2010
12:30 pm

whoa.. the braves are going for it all..

Esco was having a below par year @ the plate but i will miss his range.. i was hoping to see him turn it around 2nd half of season.. guess they couldnt wait..

terrell

July 14th, 2010
12:35 pm

Darrell Starks, tell me your’re not saying this 1st crap. Come on Darrell, you’re better than that. lol!

Fresh

July 14th, 2010
12:37 pm

Like others, I’m not so sure about this trade. This is the type of thing that can come back and bite the Hawks in the A$$ in a few years.

Find out what what Marvin can do in LD’s new system first.

drmaryb

July 14th, 2010
12:37 pm

Shawks

1013 AM re: Steinbrenner -vs- Sund – Spot On Bruh! I reiterated that to the nonsense level of a comment that it was! But, some people have very little brain tissue to work with on these fantasy blogs!

Beside, I don’t read caps! However, I do like them – because it’s easier to see that ISH when scrollin’ past nonsense. Besides, it gives me a headache and makes my eyes water! LOL!

Anyway, great post – all the way around! Keep it up!

Spud Webb

July 14th, 2010
12:38 pm

If they sign Kwame Brown I’ll be laughing my &ss off. Waste.

bigdave

July 14th, 2010
12:39 pm

O’Brien..

i think it was a bit knee jerk though.. given we are in 1st.. and Esco is pretty young, but up for arbitration..

dont really know about this one..

terrell

July 14th, 2010
12:44 pm

Shows you how dumb someone in the front office is, to even consider signing Brad Miller. We need a DEFENDER and a REBOUNDER. Brad Miller does not do either one of those things. Who’s running this team, Spongebob and Patrick?

MsDee

July 14th, 2010
12:46 pm

I think I like what D.S.G.B posted earlier…

D.S.G.B.

July 14th, 2010
10:39 am
“”"i think with the correct big man we would have a very talented lineup with just a few changes within house.

1=teague/bibby
2=jordan/jamaal(id like a repeat nba sixth man)
3=jj/marvin
4=josh smith/alade aminu
5=al horford/shaq

I WAS on the ‘Get Shaq Plan’ but now would rather keep our core guys who have matured well together and who has built much chemistry. I believe Woodson was the cause of the chemistry breakdown toward the end of his run here. If our last and only choices at center are Shaq(old) and Brad Miller(less talented than our ‘PF’ center Al Horford), than I say “pass”. I would take my chances with Hendrex (6′9, 255), James Augustine (6′10, 235) and A. Aminu (6′10,235)..Yeah I know neither one of those guys are true centers but Im hoping if they can continue to do well in the summer league games, they could come out being like the Glen Davis’s(6′9, 289) and Leon Powe(6′8, 240), and K. Perkins who is 6′10, 280 and we know how he held his own against DHoward. Glen Davis held his own against the DHoward and Pau G throw-out the season. After watching the Larry Drew Mic’d up practice video, I believe Larry could be the Doc Rivers to the new, up and coming players in the draft such as the guys mentioned and also to Teague and JC2.

O'Brien

July 14th, 2010
12:48 pm

bigdave,

Esco had no HRs this year. And we dont know if he would turn it around this season. Our pitching staff is top notch, but offensively, Escobar, Nate and Melky sucked.

This is a move that signals to me that the Braves are going for it now. And I like that.

HoosierHawk

July 14th, 2010
12:53 pm

What would you rather have?

35+ Center who is not a banger
38 year old Center who will not accept the role we need him to AND will be overpaid
A Center who has nothing besides unreached potential, who we expect to suddenly reach it for little more than the veterans minimum and 15 minutes per game.
Scrubs who can barely stay in the NBA

OR

A SHOTBLOCKING project we could have gotten with the #31 pick. I’m sorry, but I am still not sold on any of the vets we were supposedly saving (but not spending) money for. Would have taken a chance on Alabi or Whiteside. I would have even taken a wing like Ebanks.

Hawks finish the offseason by filling out the roster. PROVE ME WRONG ASG!

vava74

July 14th, 2010
12:57 pm

Awful deal in the works.

I know that MW receives a lot of deserved (and undeserved) criticism around here but to send a young and still work in progress SF to get a washed up C like Shaq is an awful move ANYWHERE in the world.

bigdave

July 14th, 2010
12:59 pm

O’Brien..

but surely Gonzalez tails off a bit.. i like the move but would have rather addressed the out field with maybe some pop from the right side of the plate. Cody Ross.. Corey Hart would have been ideal.

Melky has progressed, and Escobar is still a tough out no hr’s or not.. Nate needed to go.. but hey, it is what it is.. i definitely wont miss the frosted tips..

kwooden1

July 14th, 2010
1:01 pm

O’Brien Nice Deal. I would take that.

Astro Joe

July 14th, 2010
1:05 pm

newkid, every trade has some opportunity cost/risk. If we traded Marvin, exactly how would we know how he would have performed in Drew’s system? At best, we could speculate but would never know if he would continue to defer or miss open jumpers. I don’t see anyway we find a quality center in their prime (or close to it) AND keep both Josh and Marvin (along with Horford). If we want to be in position to sign one of the defensive centers who will be UFAs next summer (Chandler, Dalembert or Pryzbilla), then we will need more than Jamal’s vacated salary slot to get it done.

MsDee

July 14th, 2010
1:09 pm

I WAS on the ‘Get Shaq Plan’ but now would rather keep our core guys who have matured well together and who has built much chemistry. I believe Woodson was the cause of the chemistry breakdown toward the end of his run here. If our last and only choices at center are Shaq(old) and Brad Miller(less talented than our ‘PF’ center Al Horford), than I say “pass”. I would take my chances with Hendrex (6′9, 255), James Augustine (6′10, 235) and A. Aminu (6′10,235)..Yeah I know neither one of those guys are true centers but Im hoping if they can continue to do well in the summer league games, they could come out being like the Glen Davis’s(6′9, 289) and Leon Powe(6′8, 240), and K. Perkins who is 6′10, 280 and we know how he held his own against DHoward. Glen Davis held his own against the DHoward and Pau G throw-out the season. After watching the Larry Drew Mic’d up practice video, I believe Larry could be the Doc Rivers to the new, up and coming players in the draft such as the guys mentioned and also to Teague and JC2.

ASHCAN.

July 14th, 2010
1:10 pm

@ MC,his history on one team(LAKERS)that happened years ago? your still slamming him for that? Considering the seriousness of what happened to KB and him(kb)speaking out putting his(shaq) marriage in danger,(mentioning shaq did it too if you all know the story)i seriously think the average brother would have snapped.But back to the topic ill still choose shack(shaq)1st miller 2nd.

bigdave

July 14th, 2010
1:10 pm

new blog

terrell

July 14th, 2010
1:17 pm

Ms.Dee, no way LD starts JoCrawford. Cant see that happening. Not just yet.

newkid

July 14th, 2010
1:30 pm

AJ,
Don’t think we go the Chandler, Dalembert, Przybilla route next summer unless we have intelligence from Smoove that DEFINITELY says his boy Superman will not consider a return to his roots in ‘12. C’mon, if we’ve learned anything at all from the LBJ/Wade/Bosh caper this summer it is that this sort of reconnaisance is par. I gotta think it’s already well along in the case of Superman; and I gotta think the early intelligence is reassuring to Sund, so he knows he needs a 2-year bridge to Dwight (which will allow the Atlanta side to compete with the Heat in future) rather than the 2nds he could get in a year with Chandler, et al.

Grandad

July 14th, 2010
1:43 pm

newkid -aka- ”Jimmy Olsen”

Teague
Joe
Josh
Al
Superman
_________________
hmmmmmmmmmm?

terrell

July 14th, 2010
2:02 pm

Braves making moves. Good to see them finally get rid of Escobar.

terrell

July 14th, 2010
2:11 pm

Hawks wont give up Marvin for Shaq. I dont think? Verajo, yes. But Shaq? Dont think so.

terrell

July 14th, 2010
2:15 pm

Why give up Marvin for Shaq when we could trade Marvin for some depth(pg or sf) and just sign Shaq straight up?

marcus

July 14th, 2010
3:15 pm

why didn’t the center they got inthe draft instead they traded him to get a 6′8 pf who want be around long.

marcus

July 14th, 2010
3:16 pm

i mean why didn’t they keep the center they got in the draft

will

July 15th, 2010
6:54 pm

Where is the excitement for me to go out and buy hawks tickets for the upcoming season!!!

ASG and Sund, has done nothing this season to improve this team that was swepted in the playoffs two years in a row, and only won 2 out of 13 road games in the playoffs. These guys don’t even have a clue of how to build a championship team. Have not picked up, not even one FA.

Croquet

July 17th, 2010
4:25 pm

Brad to the Rockets.

Bama

August 7th, 2010
12:22 pm

The Hawks have blown it with Josh Childress and now with Shaq. The only hope we have is that Jordan Crawford maybe the next super star in this league. Marvin Williams and Josh Smith raise your game defensively and offensively. Josh Smith can be in the top 3 as power forwards in the league this year. Josh can be the best, if he stay focus on the game.

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