Atlanta Hawks: Childress sign-and-trade in works (UPDATE: Hawks, Suns agree to trade)

So basically we get nothing for Childress?

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At least he would be off the books. I feel like ASG has been weary of making any moves without knowing whether or not he is going to take the QO. Still sad to see a lottery pick leaving for little more than cap relief and a 2nd rounder. Ask Michael Beasley how that feels. Wouldn’t have minded having him, but I’d rather have a lockdown defender for the 2 and 3.

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No, we get a 2nd round pick that we can use on a guy who will also play overseas and never see our roster, promising as they might look. They’ll spin it with the “cap space” problem.

What’s our next move – Help for Al? Where’s the update now that we solved the guard situation without improvement.

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@RAD….thank you for not being one of those many idiots that puts “first”!!!!!

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pretty much what it sounds like ………..was hoping to use him to get some pieces back right now, not the future

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Now time to get Kwame Brown

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I agree with you Fundamentals ….

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im seriously losing interest in the Hawks rather quickly….you see no one with hawks stuff on anymore….its all Braves now…cause their actually doing something

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How much money to spend now?

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MC What happened to the Washington Trade? He’s worth atleast a player. There’s not many FA’s left. You needed to get someone off of somebody’s roster for Chills. He’s a valuable player.

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Jeff,

GS probably wouldn’t want Bibby and Marvin for Biedrins. Now the trade exception and Mo…. hmmm…

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this isnt a bad move considering we couldn’t afford him, yes i thought we should’ve at least gotten a first rounder from them but they must know they are about to suck and aren’t budging. This must be a sign for a shaq and mo williams acquisition

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From the previous blog:

“I’m not even sure I understand the whole concept of
how trade exceptions are generated to begin with?”

A trade exception is just a chunk of cap space. Over-the-cap teams are supposed to make dollar for dollar trades, but under-the-cap teams don’t have this restriction. When a free agent from an over-the-cap team signs with an under-the-cap team, the over-the-cap team can elect to receive cap space equaling that player’s contract instead of players whose salaries match.

In this case, Amare Stoudemire went from Phoenix (an over-the-cap team) to New York (an under-the-cap team), signing a contract worth $20 million annually. New York is under the cap and has no restriction and can sign Amare outright, but if Phoenix wants to sign-and-trade him, they have to take back $20 million in annual salary because they are over the cap. Instead of taking back salary, though, Phoenix sign-and-traded him for $20 million in cap space which allows them to get around the regular cap rules; this is why it’s called a trade “exception”.

Phoenix is now using this chunk of cap space to send Leandro Barbosa (who makes $7 million annually) for Hedo Turkoglu (who makes $11 million annually). Normally they can’t do this, but they ate into $4 million of that trade exception to make this deal work; since Toronto is also over the cap, that $4 million of trade exception goes to them, for them to use in a future trade. Next, they are signing Childress for $6 million annually, which eats into a corresponding $6 million of that trade exception; since Atlanta is over the cap, that $6 million comes to Atlanta for the Hawks to use in a future trade. This means Phoenix now have a remaining $10 million of cap space with which they can get around the normal salary cap rules.

I may be off on the numbers here and there, but that’s basically how a trade exception works.

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damn, didn’t realize Chills was BYC

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im a sun now

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Let us see haven’t we not usd trade exceptions before alongvwith MLE’s?

Well it will be interesting to see how it falls out. Wouldyear have almost preferred to se marvin go intead but it couldn’t happen. come on asg shaq next? If not then who? Make my day.

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The trade exception is extremely valuable, especially for a team over the cap. If the exception is 6 million, that means the Hawks can trade a Hawks player making 7 million and the trade exception for another player making 13 million.

OR the Hawks can outright work a sign-and-trade for a player and send the trading team the trade exception for a player who has that value, or throw in pieces to make it work.

It’s very valuable for a team in the current position of the Hawks.

And Childress’ 4.8 QO comes off the books finally! Bittersweet I suppose.

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Najeh, unless I’m reading this wrong, Childress would be BYC: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q76

Also, not sure Phx would have to use their TE to get Hedo. The salaries are close enough with him and Barbosa that they would likely throw in Earl Clark (where would he get minutes with Hill, Dudley, and the additions of Hedo and Hakim Warrick).

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Yeah he is still BYC believe it or not. Now we can offer Shaq more money then the mle ( roughly up to 3 mil more ) and get him from Clev in a s & t with the 2nd round pick Pho gave us. It still sucks to lose Chills like this though, dam after ALL THAT DRAMA the last few years and all we get is a 2nd rounder. The Bucks offer of Kurt Thomas and a 2nd rounder was better last year.

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BYC- Base Year Compensation.

The short version is, if a player is BYC, the team trading the player is only credited for half of the player’s salary.

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As long as they use the trade exception on something valuable I am happy even though I would have liked to see Childress work things out with us.

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“Let us see haven’t we not usd trade exceptions before alongvwith MLE’s?

Well it will be interesting to see how it falls out. Wouldyear have almost preferred to se marvin go intead but it couldn’t happen. come on asg shaq next? If not then who? Make my day.”

Are you feeling OK? That’s like 8 capital letters…

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Not happy anymore.

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“Now we can offer Shaq more money then the mle ( roughly up to 3 mil more ) ”

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the MLE and the trade exception can’t be combined. The MLE allows you to sign one league-average salary when you’re above the cap. The trade exception only allows you to trade for more salary than you ship out when you’re over the cap. I don’t think MLEs can be used in trades the way trade exceptions must be used.

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Najeh,

I’ve heard the same. Apparently, you can’t combine the trade exception w/ anything (MLE, LLE, etc.)

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@Najeh…you are correct

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LOL . . or maybe not. Time to go research

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From John Hollinger’s Twitter

“If it goes down as reported, Raps get 2.7M trade exception, Hawks’ is 5-6M, Suns’ Amare exception split into one worth 2.2, other about 1.5″

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Done deal?

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The team has the right to choose which of its available exceptions to use to sign a player. However, teams may not combine exceptions, or combine an exception with cap room, in order to sign a player. For example, a team with a $5 million Mid-Level exception and a $2 million in cap room may not combine them to sign a player for $7 million.

TRADED PLAYER EXCEPTION — This exception is used for trades, and cannot be used to sign free agents.

In other words, the Hawks’ $3 million trade exception can be combined with other assets in trade(s), but this is SEPARATE from the mid-level exception, which can be used to sign player(s) outright in free agency.

So basically, the most the Hawks can offer Shaq to sign outright is still the mid-level exception. If they want to pay him more than that they have to work out a sign-and-trade with Cleveland, and send back an equal amount of salary plus the trade exception if they choose. So if they want to pay Shaq $8 million per year for example, they can send back $5 million in salary and the trade exception.

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“What about the 3mill we got in the draft?”

That is actual, hard cash, and has nothing to do with the salary cap.

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We can bring back Randmo and Mario.

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For all you people whining…have a little faith…I’m quite certain that Sund and his staff know MUCH BETTER than all of you what they’re doing with finances and trade exceptions…always crying about something…from a 53 win team…that hasn’t lost anyone yet!!! lol wow

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““If it goes down as reported, Raps get 2.7M trade exception, Hawks’ is 5-6M, Suns’ Amare exception split into one worth 2.2, other about 1.5″”

I hope Hollinger is right, but everything that I’m seeing on the salary cap FAQ website leads me to believe he’s wrong about the Hawks’ end. The Raptors getting the $2.7 million trade exception sounds right since neither Barbosa or Turkoglu is BYC, but Childress from what I can tell is BYC.

The only way I can see Childress NOT being BYC is if there’s some obscure rule regarding players like him who miss a certain amount of time. Maybe for cap purposes their cap hold is used in the calculation rather than the last annual salary they drew. Hopefully for the Hawks that is the case.

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I think Sund’s got something in the works…

Chills needed to get off the books to make it happen.

Now that Chills is off the books, you’ll see Sund make his move.

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@cdog…you’re in the majority that “want” that…what you guys don’t realize…who is going to give up proven players for a guy that was a decent 6th man in the league 3 years ago…hasn’t played in the NBA for the last 2 years? Ummmm….NOONE

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This is extremely unlikely, but would be amazing.

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“who is going to give up proven players for a guy that was a decent 6th man in the league 3 years ago…hasn’t played in the NBA for the last 2 years? Ummmm….NOONE”

Eight teams were interested in signing him. If he attracted that much interest on the free agent market, presumably some team would have been willing to give up a player to be ensured of getting him.

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@Najeh…I understand that, but I don’t think they’re going to give up a proven player for someone that is going to come off the bench. He will not be a starter anywhere, especially in Phoenix. Why give up a good player to sign a bench player? Makes very little sense…just my opinion.

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Why are people acting like Chill was so valuable? He was so valuable, that we saw our win total increase by 16 games in 2 years, after his departure. And none of those teams that were interested in him, were not going to give up any player of significance for Chill. Those McGee rumors were crazy, seeing how decent of a big man he is. No team is giving that up for a SF that isn’t a star player.

It would be real nice if we could use Mo Evans + the TPE to get somebody, along with bringing in somebody for the MLE.

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The ASG should use the 3mill they got from OKC to but our Pape Sy’s Frech contract. AT least…..selling that pick deserves some kind of justification.

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I would like the Hawks to acquire Lou Williams from the 76ers.

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Co-sign trading Mo+ TPE. We have enough guards, and Mo is not tall enough to guard the 3.

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Not all of it! I doubt Sy is getting paid THAT much money. I just meant some of it.

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I don’t like losing Childress either but he isn’t that big a loose, plus if we can pick up Shaq or another big then it’s worth it. He fits what the Suns want nicely,(he also would fit the Hawks nicely as well) I can only trust that Sund is making the right move. I Want Championship Baby !!!!!

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northcyde is right. The TPE can’t be combined with anything else.

What is not allowed is using two different exceptions for the same player. Here is something that is not allowed: A team has a $5 million player and a $1 million Traded Player exception from a previous trade, and wants to add the Traded Player exception to the 125% plus $100,000 margin from their $5 million player ($6,350,000), in order to trade for a player making $7,000,000. This cannot be done.

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Typical Hawks. Nothing like adding that great center and point guard named Cap Room. It won’t be long before the franchise will be back to their old ways of losing 50 to 60 games a year. Don’t buy tickets to enrich these horsecrap owners. The only chance for this franchise is a new, decent owner. Of course one would have to go back 40 years to Ben Kerner to find the last good owner for this trainwreck franchise.

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I still find it hilarious how people think the Hawks will lose 50 – 60 games and have yet to lose a single player from a team that just won 53 games…..Atlanta fans…retarted if nothing else. lol

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And my retardedness is coming out since I now can’t spell at 143am…lol

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Although, then again, the Suns traded a part of their trade exception acquired from the Knicks to the Hawks. So I really don’t know which to believe. Based on that, the salary cap FAQ appears to be mistaken.

That’s about enough work for my brain for today.

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“do you think Cleveland would take on Bibby and Williams”

I think any team would be crazy to take on either player, but who knows. If Travis Outlaw can get $35 million over 5 years, maybe some team will actually want Marvin.

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Hawks Trade
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Hawks get
1.Mo Willams
2.Shaquille o’ neal

Cavs get
1.Marvin Willams
2…..2 2011 2nd round draft picks

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JJ and Mo Evans would play the 3.

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JJ and Mo Evans? Who’s playing the 2 now????

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I still think JJ could have taken about 3 – 5 million dollars, at a minimum, less a year, to show how committed he is to winning in Atlanta and the team itself…but it’s all water under the bridge now.

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@Jake…I really don’t like MO starting at the 3…maybe it would work…but a real step back in my opinion. And Pape Sy will not be in Atlanta this year. He’s only over for the summer league.

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haha. I said the same thing a few days ago… I wish he’d pull a Chipper Jones and give SOMETHING back to loosen things up at least a little for the team financially.

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No more mo, leave marvin alone uless ou’ve got somebody better. I gaurentee we will sign Luke Jackson.

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Can somebody show me a deal where we could get Ryan Hollins? Along with Shaq?

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Real Talk this is a real message board, if you don’t care for the Hawks stay off the board.

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@Najeh…ok, how are we getting one of those two players? lol

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“I didn’t think The Wizards released Howard?”

They had a team option on him for this upcoming season, and they declined. He is an unrestricted free agent.

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@Najeh…I agree with your list. The number 8 seed I think will be the interesting one…could be Cleveland depending on moves…if Washington stays healthy, and out of prison, they could be dangerous as well. Also, Orlando and Miami are in the same division…won’t be 1 and 2 will they???

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JOSH SMITH, ZAZA, JAMAL CRAWFORD, FOR CP3, E OKERFO

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“how are we getting one of those two players? ”

Good question… in a perfect world one of them signs for the biannual exception, but each one will command more than that on the free agent market, which means the Hawks would have to trade someone for them.

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@Real…oh I don’t doubt what they’re trying to do…and their reasonings…heck, I’d do it if I were in their shoes. But just b/c those 3 are on same roster doesn’t make them the beast of the east. We will never again see the same Lebron or Wade for 82 games…it cannot happen with them as teammates.

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Barring something really big this summer or fall…it’s still another ring for Kobe…lol

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John .. . what you may see . . is Lebron become a souped-up Magic Johnson. Wade will be the top scorer, Bosh will be the 20 pt guy on the frontline, but Lebron could possibly average 10+ assists a game.

I think that is Lebron’s transformation . . to become the top assist guy in the league, while still having the ability to score 20 ppg.

Wade is more of the Kobe/Jordan type closer. Bosh is the Gasol type that gives them scoring and rebounding. And whomever is the designated shooter on that team ( Mike Miller or somebody ), is going to get wide open looks when teams go into panic mode trying to slow down one of those 3 guys.

Just don’t be surprised if Lebron’s scoring average dips significantly ( 20 – 22 ppg ), but his assists increase dramatically ( 10 – 12 apg )

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I think we should go after Carmelo

Marvin, Mo Evans, Bibby, Zaza, 2nd Rd pick, 3mill For Carmelo

*Thats assuming he doesn’t re-up with the Nuggets this summer and the Nuggs follow through on ther threat to trade him rather than let him become a UFA.

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I’m sure it’s been said by many-

The Hawks have a great team, but they need to pursue Shaq, number one, and i’m not sure on what they will have to do for that (get joe johnson to sign for less ala lebron and wade etc.), trade childress, and if we have to trade one of our guys perhaps Marvin.. but Marvin is a good player and has alot of room for improvement.

I don’t understand how dysfunctional the hawks ownership/management has been for decades, please take some lessons from mr john shuerholz and the atlanta braves.

there is no excuse to be throwing away first round draft picks.

if we make this happen, we can win championships. if not, last resort, i will agree that we could soon slip back to having losing seasons and a trainwreck roster year after year.

sign shaq, and there is no excuse because we have the roster/talent.

people are hard on the hawks, the series against the magic was an ugly way to end an otherwise GREAT year. they have made the playoff’s the past 3 years. the magic is the only team that gives them problems, and with shaq guarding vince carter and dwight howard -this is just what we need.

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If we do a sign and trade at least get Gani Lawal and a pick for childress!

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John
July 12th, 2010
12:15 am
“ANYTHING for Childress is good…considering he is really not of much value playing in Greece for 2 years…and the cap space we save helps tremendously!!! ”

???
We are over the cap, so we don’t get any cap room.
We just stay 6M under the Tax instead of 1M, and have our MLE.
Basically it’s just our owners not wanting to spend as much as they can to improve the team.

They could have match, and use the MLE (and pay some tax), and trade him later if he’s not the best fit.

i_am_soulstar
July 12th, 2010
12:28 am
“The trade exception is extremely valuable, especially for a team over the cap. If the exception is 6 million, that means the Hawks can trade a Hawks player making 7 million and the trade exception for another player making 13 million.”

Maybe it’s already said, but you can’t do it.
the one-year traded player exception can be used only to get a player (or several players) with a salary equal or less the amount of the exception.

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Josh Howard is available too! Just saying!

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@ALL People in Atlanta are funny, they think new players solve everything, clearly if you looked at the games or actually went to a game which i dought anybody did from reading all these negative comments, u act like the team is going to fall of a cliff and they just won 53 games this year. Second they had a good team but they had fundamental execution problems with there half court offensive sets. What they really need is a proven offensive coach (assistant at least) somebody that can help the ball move and get easy shots. And don’t forget that if they do get Shaq WHO IS GOING TO PLAY THE SMALL FORWARD JOSH SMITH!!!!!! Look hope the coaching is better and let Jeff Teagues start (he could be another Rondo) Mo Williams isn’t the answer for the Hawks. So basically you guys have no clue what you are talking about!!!!!!!!

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Years ago I remember seeing a cartoon of an Indian and his son leaving a movie of Cowboy and Indians. The son looks up at his Dad and asked ” Did we ever win?” I have that same feeling with the Hawks and their trades. Do we ever win as far as getting the better of the deal?

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We found a sucker to take chills? For 30 mil…. LMAO.. He isn’t worth half that, look at his stats. Some people have more money than they know what to do with.

At least we can put the we need the crazy thinking that we need chills to rest.

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Rick! USE that TPE on Ryan Hollins and use the MLE on Shaq! GET ER’ DONE SUND!

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john, thats my point. why get rid of him then if you’re not going get nothing for him?

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getoff, ha,ha,ha, what experts? i know you are not refering to rick sund as an expert. sund doesn’t have a clue about player personel

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Well we did get Cap relief by giving Chils up, and if he WASNT going to come bact to the stats if he had to come back and play for Atlanta, then what choice did we have? I will certainly boo him when he comes to town.

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Suns to Acquire Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress

-The Phoenix Suns didn’t want their summer to be defined by losing Amar’e Stoudemire to the New York Knicks, and they made sure of it Sunday night with two major deals, acquiring veteran forward Hedo Turkoglu from the Toronto Raptors for guard Leandro Barbosa and agreeing to a trade with the Atlanta Hawks that will bring restricted free agent Josh Childress, whose rights the Hawks still hold, to Phoenix in exchange for a second-round pick. Childress will receive a five-year, $34 million deal from Phoenix.

Turkoglu and Childress were both coveted by the Suns’ former general manager, Steve Kerr, and even after his departure the club went ahead and got both players, who will bring much-needed depth to one of the league’s older teams and provide help in several ways for Steve Nash and Grant Hill next season. The Arizona Republic first reported the Turkoglu acquisition and Yahoo! Sports first reported the Childress trade.

Because Phoenix received an eight-figure trade exception for agreeing to give Stoudemire an extra year on his $100 million contract, the Suns could bring in Turkoglu’s $9.8 million salary for next season while only giving away Barbosa’s $7.1 million contract, the final year of his deal.

A source said that Suns coach Alvin Gentry had also been “a big Childress guy” for many years and wanted to have more depth and flexibility on the roster next season. Phoenix played most of the postseason with just a 10-man rotation and felt it needed to get younger and deeper with the 36-year-old Nash and the 37-year-old Hill both expected to log big minutes again next year, and with starting two-guard Jason Richardson entering the last year of his contract. The 31-year-old Turkoglu and the 27-year-old Childress, who has played the last two seasons for Olympiacos in Greece, fit the bill, and also provide more pieces in case the Suns try to make another major acquisition down the road.

Phoenix had already signed free agent forward Hakim Warrick to a four-year, $18 million contract this summer, but ”we didn’t want to fall off the earth with Amar’e leaving,” a Suns source said.

Turkoglu will likely start at Stoudemire’s power forward position next season and that will give the Suns a very different look at that spot and also give them more options. The 6-8 Turkoglu excelled as a playmaker for the Magic in the playoffs in 2009, running the pick-and-roll with All-Pro center Dwight Howard relentlessly in Orlando’s Eastern Conference finals win over the Cavs. In Phoenix, he could have a similar role that would allow Nash to play more off the ball and not have as much pressure game in and out as the team’s chief ballhandler.

Turkoglu signed a five-year, $53-million deal with the Raptors last summer, a seeming perfect match for the Turkish star, whose wife loved the cosmopolitan nature of Toronto. In doing so Turkoglu abruptly left the Portland Trail Blazers at the aisle, after the Blazers thought they had reached agreement on a free agent deal with him.

But Toronto turned out to be a nightmare for Turkoglu, who never meshed with Chris Bosh and who was caught in an incident where he had said he was too ill to play a game, but was seen later that evening at a local nightclub. Turkoglu initially said he wanted to be traded from the Raptors, then recanted and the team had indicated as recently as Saturday that it planned to bring Turkoglu back into the fold next season.

But the Suns’ interest in him made a deal happen very quickly.

Childress had an NBA out in his contract with Olympiacos, but had to exercise it by Thursday or return to Olympiacos for a third and final season. He signed a three-year, $20 million deal with the Greek team in 2008.

Once the Hawks committed to re-signing Joe Johnson for a max-level, $124 million deal, Atlanta had no chance to re-sign Childress. Several teams inquired about Childress but were hoping to sign him for the $5.8 mid-level exception and thought he would likely command more money with so many teams having cleared significant salary cap room this summer.

Barbosa, 27, acquired in a Draft day deal from the Spurs in 2003, had moments of brilliance with the Suns, most notably in the 2005 playoffs, when he helped bring Phoenix back from a 3-1 deficit in the first round against the Lakers to win in seven games. His speed with the ball made him one of the league’s most dangerous players in the open court. But injuries had slowed his effectiveness in recent seasons, and the emergence of Goran Dragic down the stretch and in the playoffs last year took away a lot of Barbosa’s minutes

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Josh Howard is a troublemaker and a racist. you want less fans at the games, sign Josh Howard.

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Shaq can’t run….he can’t defend…..he’s injury prone….his attitude sucks….and “y’all” can’t wait to have him here……..Please think before you write. He should retire and apologize.

Here’s a stat I never saw before Childress was sent to Phoenix….He hit more than 50% of his shots……How many Hawks hit 50% of their shots? Yes, he is a loss…….don’t kid yourselves.

This “analysis” of Miami doesn’t take into account a few things….one is D. Wade’s incredible ego, L. James getting every imaginable call in Cleveland so he could become some sort of “king,” and Pat Riley’s unquenchable desire to coach this team once they lose right out of the box. Lebron had some behavioral issues before……Wait until he gets into the Miami scene…

Who’s the joker comparing Woody’s ability to Drew’s? Please go back and watch the Golden State debacle…..and then the Dallas disaster…….Woody poisoned the whole franchise. Watch the tapes.

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@MC Now that we have the JC money and 3 million for the 2nd round pick, do you see any moves from us?

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everyone, many of you i wish, could be the gm for the hawks.i agree with a lot of your suggestions.all make sense.but i hate to say, when all of this smoke clears, the hawks will be stuck with the same personel they finish the season with.why? because we have rick sund as gm.sund is stealing money from the hawks organization by doing nothing.its right in front of people eyes.he hasn’t done anything since he has been gm except bring in a guard.i will put a wagers on it the hawks with sund, won’t doing anything.all of these players you all are suggesting, sund is going to sit there with a cell phone stuck in his ear and do nothing.other teams will end up with shaq and the rest, then sund will brag about how good the majic,heat and the rest are.thats your gm who most of you have blinded yourself to believe he is getting job done when he is doing nothing but taking the hawks backward

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So, we traded Childress away for a little more space away from luxury tax territory and a 2nd round pick that we will either sell or stash in Europe.

Pardon me if I don’t express euphoria…

Now that this is all but done, can we sign somebody we can actually make good use of?

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@MC are we look at any backup PF’s, there is no one to back up JS as far as I see.

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[...] colleague Michael Cunningham reports that the Hawks are close to a sign-and-trade with Phoenix for Josh Childress, who last played for the Hawks in Game 7 against Boston in May 2008. That the Hawks aren’t [...]

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Im tired of people whinning about the ASG “saving” money or lack of spending. First off its not ours so who are we to judge. Second I couldve sworn we gave JJ the highest contract in the NBA.

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Clyde: at your 12:36 posting, what did you mean by SMDGH?

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I could go all negative because Sund and the ASG have done basically a terrible job with this offseason to go along with that embarrassment in Round 2. For anyone to defend them, you are truly an optimist.
There is time still to get something done:

- There sounds like a legit chance for Shaq to come here.
- There are roster spots to be decided still.
- Something should be done to the core of this team. If the management group disagrees, it sure shows so far.

You might as well get Al signed early before he has flexibility.

Anyone bet Sund is trying to get 2 guys with the MLE money? We have yet to sign a MLE player since this team was torn down and rebuilt.

Congrats on that 2012 2nd rounder. Now we can hope Phoenix gets altogether awful in 2 years and we can start scouting the 32-37th BPA.

The most interest this team gets is the offseason.

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These trade moves never look the same after a season then they do while they are happening…chill.

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Thank god this Marvin for Mo Williams is just a rumor made up, If we trade Marvin, that would be the worst move ever..Mo Williams has done nothing in the playoffs…Woody’s Iso Joe,Jamal offense was not very friendly to Marvin,Josh and Al,….Marvin will have a breakout season with the Hawks.. or whoever he goes to..He is free from Woody…..The Hawks are a active legit 6ft10 or taller big man(Al is 6ft 8 and is a pf) and a 1st rate wing off the bench away from going deeper…I cant believe we let Chills go….4 nothing

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[...] The Hawks are discussing a sign-and-trade that would send forward Josh Childress to Phoenix for a second-round pick and a trade exception, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed tonight. Paul Coro of the … Read more… [...]

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Ryan hollins is a good fit with the hawks. 7 footer athletic and he has a mean streak. A little foul prone but worth the look.

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Peace out Childress, woulda like to see you continue in a Hawks uniform but since you don’t want to play for the team that reached to high to get you in the first place, take care.

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Sip … Sip … Sippin’

I’m jut Sippin’ on my Cherry-Coke & Eatin’ Popcorn!
Waiting for the final episode. ;-0

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Right now the Hawks have approx. $11 million to spend without going over the luxury tax threshold with this trade. Again, great work by Sund and company. Take a look at Brad Miller and Ronnie Brewer for depth.

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How about a center…you can’t tell me that no one is out there that could use Childress and will give us a center in return?

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Same ol’ Hawks. Too many owners trying to save money to pad their pockets. Josh Smith and Al Horford are the ones who will suffer. I hope they pull a Lebron and get out of ATL so they can expirience how a real organization is run. Since the re-signing of Joe “No Show” Johnson, I can’t imagine myself going to another Hawks games as long as he is playing.
GO HEAT!!! Thanks to Rick Sund, or whatever his name is.

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John……cap space is not worth that much if FA’s never consider Atlanta as a good place to play and win! And I don’t consider Shaq a FA. Just another aging superstar looking to get one last paycheck. Most retired GM’s, in any sport, will say that their worst decision as a manager was to sign someone elses aging superstar. The vast majority just never work out.

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Let’s see how the next shoe falls. I assume that the $3M can be added to the contract of an out-going player to bring back someone whose salary fits into that combined box. Or said differently, we could trade Zaza’s $4.3M contract and bring back a $7.3M player because of the $3M trade exemption. If we use the trade exemption to bring back a player that is roughly $3M more valuable than the one we’re giving up, then that is palatable. But if we essentially trade Childress for a $3M player, that just seems plain stupid.

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GM job search?

Stop blogging, learn the cap, know somebody who know somebody who’s got a car!
Oh yeah, earn a law degree or finance degree, since you will be dealing primarily with agents.

One more thing, get with Ron Artest Psychiatrist, because you will be dealing with some very interesting players. That should help you become a GM.

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Josh CHILD – ress.

A spoiled rotten CHILD who has his way? Starting to see a pattern developing?
Ahem ..Ahem .. Ala LeBron – et.al.

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Apparently, Hawks are interested in Udonis Haslem. He’d be a great back-up PF. If we were to somehow sign-and-trade for Shaq rather than give him the MLE, then we could offer Haslem a part of the MLE.

That’d be a very good bench.

PG- Bibby
SG- Crawford
SF- Mo Evans
PF- Haslem
C- O’Neal

Who wouldn’t want to have Haslem on their team????

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Does anyone find it slightly disrespectful that Shaq says he’d play for the Spurs for the MLE, but wants more than the MLE if he plays for the Hawks?

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Who cares what the Hawks do! We been sorry and will be for the next 10 years! Stop getting these play ground players

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I read that Shaq has a meeting with the Heat this week. Im really hoping the Hawks make some move soon because right now its looking like another summer of picking up scrubs and saying they tried to acquire so and so. I say sign Ronnie Brewer and Kwame Brown. I know Kwame sucks offensively but he can rebound and he is a good post defender. He could body up a guy like Dwight which would allow us to stay on the Magic shooters. Kwame and Ronnie and call it a day….

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SOULSTAR-Shaq is willing to take less from the Spurs because they are his #1 preference, and he’s trying to make himself as appealing to them as possible. He also knows he has a very good chance of starting with them, or at least getting starter mins.

With the Hawks, he knows for certain he’ll be coming off the bench, and won’t get starter mins, since he’ll have to split time with Zaza. Therefore, he’s demanding more money from the Hawks for putting him in the position of having to do what he’s never had to do, and that’s be a backup.

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This frees cap space so we can sign either Anthony Johnson or Tyronne Lue as our lockdown perimeter defenders.

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Is it too late for Joe Johnson to give back some of his money for the good of the team and aid in bringing in a “Big” (restructure contract). He wouldn’t miss 3-4 million per year on a six year mega-contract and it would help the organization. He cannot spend all the money he has already earned and will earn in one lifetime. Others have done it in the past. So he will make $100 milliion instead of $123 million – I don’t think he’ll miss a meal, be able to buy several mansions, several cars, leave plenty to his family, etc – come on JJ – give some money back. Think of it as a furlough

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WOODSON 11-Didn’t JJ choose to resign and remain a Hawk, instead of demanding a sign and trade, which he certainly could have done? And if Shaq is willing to take less to play for another team, what leverage is he trying to generate with us? DUH!

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Great Job Rick Sund

The Hawks are in a better position to trade for and impact player(Nazr Mohammad, Desanga Diop or Biedrins)….When you sign one of those player, these fools will be eating CROW!!!!

I believe in you….Great Job Rick!!!!!

PS. We are not the same team as last year, are PG is different and THAT MEANS ALOT.

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STUPID ASSES, IF THE HAWKS WOULD HAVE DRAFTED CP3, WE WOULD HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DRAFT AL

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I cant believe someone wants us to pick up Richard Jefferson! Did you see him play last year?

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As much as I hate Comcast (they are the devil), I’m glad they’re carrying ESPN 3 so I can catch the game tonight.

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“I still find it hilarious how people think the Hawks will lose 50 – 60 games and have yet to lose a single player from a team that just won 53 games…..Atlanta fans…retarted if nothing else. lol”

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Cause other teams are getting waaay better, if you didn’t notice.

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ARE YA’LL READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL……….ENUFF OF THIS HAWKS TRASH TALK………CHILDRESS FOR NOTHING ALMOST……DON’T UNDERSTAND THE TRADE EXCEPTION THING BUT I WANT A BIG MAN SO SCREW THE HAWKS RIGHT NOW………..ESPN IS PREDICTING THE FALCONS TAKE IT ALL THE WAY……..I’M READY FOR THE FIRST ONE VS PITT……….WE ALWAYS HAVE GREAT GAMES VS THE TERRIBLE TOWELS………GO # 2 ………..FORGET VICK AND I’M BLACK NOW WHAT LOL

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Bibby, Evans, a 1st pick next year and the trade exception to get Mo Williams. Cavs rebuilding.

Sign and trade RandMo, 2-2nd picks, Sy and Gladyr if needed to get Shaq

Sign Matt Barnes to the vet exception of 4.3m for 2 yrs.

Now you have a contender if everybody stays reasonably healthy.

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I think as it stands now, the Bucks and Bulls are even are slightly better than the Hawks. Celts as well. Heat will probably be, depending on who else they sign. So Magic, Heat, Celts, Bulls and Bucks currently better than the Hawks. With the above moves, if we could pull it off, I see us at least equal to anybody in the East. And possibly a beast in the playoffs.

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ESPN3.COM is showing the Hawks game tonight. They are also showing the one Thursday………Woodrow admitted what most on there speculated, he said he did not play Teague because he didn’t have a contract. It is what it is.

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People stop crying they did it to go out and get a center and possibly another player we cleared cap space what more do you want stop the wining.

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who cares
the hawks and basically the entire NBA is not worth watching anymore.
trade whoever you want
getting nothing for nothing seems fair
So hiring a new coach diid not impresses Childress to return to Atlanta
He must have thought the NBA was not worth playing in or playing for Atlantat was not wortth playing for
they gave him big money and he blew them off for Greece????
Let him stay in Greece

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Please tell me Ken Strickland that you are happy with the roster so far retaining the top 9 from last year…please tell me that we just have to tweak to compete with Orlando.
Please Ken, the team was laughed out of Boston, toyed with by Cleveland every game we played them, and totally embarassed by Orlando. For that, Joe gets the max, Marvin gets a bonus (huh?) and Bibby and Zaza still have at least 2 more years on their contracts. You don’t see anything wrong with the development of this roster?
Keeping the core 9 is not the answer…they aren’t any players fighting for minutes….. they have alreday been established. We aren’t benching Marvin, and I will wait to see if Bibby does come off the bench. I am not convinced by any of this LD coach speak.

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Indiana wants guards and has made Danny Granger available.

I’d trade Jamal Crawford for Danny Granger.

It works on NBA Trade machine.

Sacrifice the spark off the bench, for a starting line-up of

PG – Jeff Teague
SG – Joe Johnson
SF – Danny Granger
PF – Josh Smith
C – Al Horford

Now that would make the Hawks a true beast in the East.

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Probably have to toss a first round pick in there, but I’d do it for Granger.

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Bump Al Horford.

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Hey na your idiot to say because Childress wants to go some were else not impressed if thats the case why does Shaq want to come here he knows Larry Drew.

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To everyone that has posted here today, I’m sure you share in my feelings of not being surprised. I mean really…the Hawks signed Johnson to a max deal a week or so ago…did we actually expect them to grow a brain?

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Josh,

A sign and trade for Shaq is more advantageous than signing him outright if we only have to give up an expendable piece. If we sign and trade, then that means we still have the MLE left to offer another quality back-up or split among two back-ups.

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What exactly is a trade exception??????? I dont get it!!!!!!

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Actually, it appears that Rick Sund is doing a pretty good job, based on what he is allowed to do within the ASG’s constraints. I wish we could have pawned off Bibby or Mo Evans on Phoenix though.

I was listening to 790thezone’s afternoon show yesterday coming back into town and the analyst stated the ASG are not spending any money on the Thrashers and trying to sell them off and want to focus on Hawks and paying J.J.’s huge contract. I would hope they would make more moves to upgrade Hawks roster and hopefully sooner rather than later. Although there are a lot of teams with tons of cap space overpaying free agents now. Would love to get Luke Ridnour and a decent big man.

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This is another retarted move by ASG and SUND, the hawks could have use chill for and bait to bring in a star player, but yet the hawks traded a starter who is better than marvin for a 2nd round pick wow!!!.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

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Joe Johnson is not worth $120 million – that $ could have be split between Josh Smith and Big Al and Jamal Crawford (all are awesome and definitely our big 3 – we still need a Center and a PG!) what is it with ASG obsession with Forwards?!?!

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And why do people keep saying do a sign and trade for shaq, he is free agent and could sign with the hawks with out any trades.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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I MUS WRITE

Didn’t Boston play for a title last year. Yet you rank the Hawks ahead of Boston? That’s strange.

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JJ cost us CP/Dwill, Roy, Rondo, Lopez, Diaw, Chillz and $200 mill for 11 years.
Future costs: Al Horford and Jamal Crawford.

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Chill was a lottery pick(#6) and a scoring leader in the pac 10.

Reality is Nobody wants to play for Sund and this organization. They are not serious about competing and I hope it hits home to the ASG next year with sells going down!

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GeeMack its not strange when you consider he has a motive in doing so.

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Coaching was the #1 issue

Coaching… Started Mike Bibby every game but one(jeff Teague 24pts 15ast)

Coaching…Thought Al Horford guarding PG was a good strategy

Coaching…Thought a “Street ball offense” could win a title

Coaching…Created division in the locker room.

Coaching…Is the reason for the lack of player development.

Coaching…Thought a “Grind it out” offense was best for the collection of athletes the Hawks have.

The New Coach…Thinks all the stuff I just outlined is BAD COACHING and promises to change all of it…I have faith that these changes will have a profound effect on our team.

PS. Gotcha..I am not Ken, I just agree with alot of his points and he stats them better than I could.

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The hawks will fall back.

HEAT, MAGIC, CELTICS, BULLS, 76ERS, BUCKS, HAWKS, BOBCATS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

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Thought Al Horford guarding PG was a good strategy

Hell Al horford playing any defense cant hurt.

Did anybody find out who won between The burger king and Horford?

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i don’t get it.

Chill was a top 10 pick and was performing well before going to greece. And all we can get is a 2nd round pick for his rights? I understand Chill may not want to play for the Hawks, but i’m assuming we don’t have to pay him while he’s in greece.
So why not demand more for the guy… like a player who might actually help the roster.
Seems like we are just giving away the guy and not getting anything back.

Is this really a precedent we want to start?

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The Hawks are not committed to winning the people they have running the franchise don’t have a clue what they are doing. The Hawks GM should be Dominique Wilkins. Signing Joe Johnson to a six year deal when he said he don’t care about the fans what a joke. I’m not spending any of my money on the hawks I’m going to root for the Miami Heat.

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@GeeMack, Hawks swept Boston in the regular season last year and all but one of the game were blowouts, if I recall correctly. Although Boston went to the Finals.

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Truth-Serum: I understand what you’re saying, and in the NBA this could be somewhat true… But Coaching impact 2%?!?

I won’t give you a percentage on what it is but I do think coaching plays a bigger role than that. A good coach doesn’t just draw up the plays, they are the leaders and the foundations of most NBA teams. A good coach can carry a team beyond its expectations, while a bad one can lead a talented team to disappointment.

Don’t bring up the Big 3 in Miami when talking about the importance of an NBA Coach! Because you know that’s different, PLUS, THEY HAVEN’T PLAYED A GAME YET!!!

And “NO” coaches don’t get MVP awards… that stands for Most Valuable PLAYER!!! Coaches get their own awards.

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Rasheed is better than Jermaine O’neal ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Celtics will not finish ahead of us. #3 seed again. Boozer doesn’t give us any trouble lol, and who is Kyle Korver? No Salmons, Ben Gordon, or even Heinrich = NO CHANCE. We will trash the Bulls like we have been the past two seasons. as long a Mike Bibby isn’t allowed near the court, or the Arena for that matter.

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Is Danny Granger still on the Trading Block?

Give them Mike Bibby (They desperately need a PG), Mo Evans, and Zaza

Move Marvin to the bench.

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Why would Shaq think we would pay him MORE to come here!

CLEARLY Al Horford is 3x the player Shaq is right now as Evidenced by him being selected to the All-Star squad over Shaq.

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I thought our blog had grown past the Chris Paul bullsh#t. I was wrong. Guys, just stop it. Chris Paul was not even the best PG in that draft. There’s this guy named Darren Williams who is better.

Chris Paul is not going to be playing here. And, considering the guy has major knee issues, I do not think that is such a bad thing.

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Is this “National Let The Idiots Post” day?

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the allstar game is a celebrity show. Has nothing to do with talent. That would be the all nba team or the all defensive team.

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Top PG’s

1) Chauncey Billups

2) Deron Williams

3) Steve Nash

4) Rajon Rondo

5) OLD Chris Paul (Curren knee isssus withstanding)

6) Derrick Rose

7) Russel Westbook

Baron Davis

9) Jason Kidd

10) Jameer Nelson

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been a Hawks fan since roundfield ruled the roost , and was really hoping for big things this offseason , but my hopes are falling by the day as i see other teams at least trying to get better and not even any rumors of the hawks moving , oh yeah the trade of a lottery pick for a 2nd rounder my bad they are moving but in which direction .

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*Boom Dizzle

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Rondo

July 12th, 2010
1:34 pm

If you are in the dog house

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Ok- I would rather build my team around Rondo and Rose rather than Mr. Ed

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Gotcha-Who let them Dogs Out Woof Woof.Sund gonna make some moves Woof Woof.You just wait and see Woof Woof

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Rondo LOL- Im pretty sure this is it. What you see is what you get. except for the bit non impact players.

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Can we please trade Marvin and Bibby? Add Shaq and another veteran pg and we’re good.

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Im going to learn defense for the rematch against The Burger King. Keep your money on me Double or Nothing!

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If JJ is humble as he say he is take less money on your contract and get cp3 on the squad.Teage should be a good backup if Pauls knees can’t make it through the season.It would be an awesome off season if the Hawks can land cp3,shaq and kurt thomas.Man what a roster.

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@Rondo

Can’t wait till I watch Amare in New York without Nash. Will be fun to watch how “good” he is. I was excited for him at first, till I got back to my senses. =)

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die hard Hawks fan

July 12th, 2010
12:37 pm

Just check this out before proclaiming Jamal untouchable and that JJ sucks: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25epz5t

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Emir-I was happy for him too.You know Amare made Nash job easier too.With the offense the Knicks run Amare will still be a top scorer in the nba.If David Lee could put the numbers up like he did with the knicks just imagine what Amare could do.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCqTm3tmOc

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Hey Cunningham with this move of Childress are the any close of singing Shaq and will there be another move now that we cleared cap space.

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THATS A SERIOUS CROSS OVER FROM JOSH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCqTm3tmOc

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@hawksfan23

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OBRIEN/KEVINM-it’s called CAUSE AND EFFECT. If the HC refuses to develop and give consistent mins to a talented PG that plays good DEF, and that PG produces very little, the HC is the CAUSE and the lack of production is the EFFECT.

If the HC insists on starting and giving major mins to the NBA’s least productive PG, who plays absolutely no DEF, and DEF is one of the teams problems, the HC is the CAUSE and the inconsistent DEF is the EFFECT.

If the teams key players refused to listen to the HC, and insists on doing whatever they want, and the HC does absolutely to correct the problem, the HC is the CAUSE and insubordination is the EFFECT.

I can go on and on, but Woodson’s dismissal and subsequent replacement by his assistant, as well as the resigning and retention of our top 9 players, is a damned good sign that Sund and the ASG certainly felt MWoodson was either directly or indirectly responsible for what ailed the Hawks.

The moves by Sund and the ASG aren’t about changing our assets to get better production. It’s about switching to a HC that can get much better production out of those assets through the use of strategy, better OFF/DEF systems and philosophy, and much better utilization of those assets.

We finished 3rd in the East with 53 wins, and you all know there were at least 7-9 gms we definitely should have won with better overall coaching. We shouldn’t have lost the front end of the back to back with Cleveland. There’s no way we should have lost 3 or 4 to the Knicks, nor that embarrassing loss to Detroit, who was missing most of their starters. We also shouldn’t have lost the gm against New Orleans, and we definitely shouldn’t have lost that embarrassing gm against Chicago.

When Sund and the ASG looked at the regular season gms that were given away because of coaching issues, along with our 1st rd struggles and 2nd rd embarrassments the last 2yrs, they realized this team needed adjustments rather than change to get to the next level. Therefore, MWoodson had to go.

If your back is hurting(EFFECT), and the doctor finds out it’s the result of one leg being shorter than the other(CAUSE), WOULD YOU SUGGEST TRYING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM BY OPERATING ON THE BACK, OR THE LEG? Sund and the ASG decided to address the leg(CAUSE-getting a new HC), while most of you are still focused on the back(EFFECT-getting new players).

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i_am_soulstar

What makes you think the Pacers would trade a young all star (Granger) for a sixth man (Crawford)? Straight up.

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Ken Strickland Where have you been, Woodson is not longer the hawks coach. Calm down.

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GeeMack:

Pacers might think they have too much money tied up in him long term and Jamal’s contract expires so they have some free cap space after next year…

But I do agree with you… It would probably take a 1st rounder or two to sway them to make that deal.

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We need a point guard on this team, do not have to get shaq get a young center and need
another scorer like Danny Granger that we need . We need a point gurad for sure and I think Rick Sund iwill find a way to get this team a more contender. But this team needs to stay young do not bring Shaq missing free throws , get tried to quick, foul trouble, it did not work with the cavs, lakers, or heat with good players i known it will not work with this hawk team .We have a first year coach he do not need Shaq giving him problems or getting him fired asked Mike Brown…

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We got nothing for Childress and everyone knows it….quit making up scenarios that a TPE helps this team. We don’t even sign MLE guys.
At this stage, i take any bets that the Celts finish higher than us….that puts us at best in 4th. !st round of homecourt advantage.
Easy to see Chicago and possbily Milwaukee pass us by while LD implements his ’share’ offense.

With the Joe signing, we have no room to add a player in place of Childress.
We make Jamal Crawford less valuaable IMO because everyone knows we aren’t looking to resign him at a number the ASG can’t match.

I am having trouble with all the optimism that is being presented around here.

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Gee Mack,

Pacers are looking for cap relief. Jamal has an expiring contract and the Pacers have expressed interest in acquiring guards. You would have to throw a 1st round draft pick and maybe something more, but it’s really not that far fetched.

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John

Fire Drew’s sorry aise and take the sund-of-a b!tch with you!

Hawks are going down just like horford did in that MMA match with mr Burger King!

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Can Teague be the Hawks CP3?

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Guys: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ARTCLE ABOUT?!?

Oh yea, that’s right… The Chilldress deal… What did we get for him? A 2nd round pick a TRADE EXCEPTION!!!

This trade exception is money that the Hawks get to apply to their cap space in order to add more expensive talent. In this particular case, the Hawks would get about half of Childress’ first year salary with the Suns. He’s going to earn about 6-7m this year, which means the Hawks get around 3 million dollars!!!

Rick Sund obviously looked at the market for J Chill and didn’t like what he was offered, so he took this TRADE EXCEPTION so that he could go get a player that he liked and be able to have a little more wiggle room as far as the salary cap goes!

So, they have this $3 million plus an extra 2nd round pick and they still have their mid-level exemption on top of the money we got for J Chill.

This is a good thing guys. As far as the “trade machine,” that trade did fail yes! BUT, my point was that it WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL with the TRADE EXCEPTION gained in this particular deal!

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Mike Woodson Part II ( THE SEQUEL)

July 12th, 2010
10:57 am

“Yea, this team is going down, it was a stupid coach’s change. Nobody’s going to come here and play for Woodson’s assistant. Who are you kidding? Shaq who is near retirement is only using atlanta for leverage. He, like any legitimate want to be associated with a winner. There is no way he takes a back seat behind Horford. Not only because as he retires hes still better than Horford. but his legacy would suffer if he was a back up to a power forward.”

“Bottom line? Hawks suck!”

Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine.

When will it end?

Hey T-s, Woodson is GONE.

But hey, according to you he only made a 1% difference anyway, so WHY do you whine, whine, whine, whine……..

It’s obvious you really LOVE to whine.

So I guess according to your “wisdom” we are headed down. But only by 1% since we have the same players who won 53 games a year ago.

Heh heh.

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Fire Drew and Sund! Do it now!

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gotcha… I wish we could fire you! The only points you’ve made are about BK and MMA!!!

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THAT BK, MMA AND HORFORD. MR BOBBIN HEAD.

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wow! again rick sund is screwing up the hawks team and people are still talking about mike woodson.woodson is gone.wrongfully let go by rick sund who should have followed him out of the door.its amazing how sund is screwing right in front of people’s face and they are still trying to find a silver lining in what he is doing.at least woodson did something positive, he got the team to the playoffs.what has sund did positive? nothing. oh well, thats all folks

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I agree Bobbito Sund is a penny pincher! The hawks wont be any better for all the pennies hes saving.

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I guess we can fire the one that points out how weak defensively horford is….- Bobbin Head

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Good move by Sund if we use the trade exception wisely. Billy Knight – Childress with a 6th pick, Marvin with a 2, Shelden Williams with a 5, Acie Law with an 11th pick – and we wonder why we struggle – the miracle is we won 53 games with that drafting history.

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Dr. Callemout:

*Latin

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Grandad how do you feel about truth-serum defaming your user-name

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Quite Frankly I don’t see any quick fixes for now. To be honest I think getting bigger up front is a necessity. Shaq is DONE!!! Don’t go there. I would go forward with what we have and be patient.

If Chris Paul ain’t in any of these deals hold onto the money we are creating.
Let’s face it…Jamal Crawford’s skills and expiring contract is our most valuable asset. Start the season, we will be no worse than the 4th or 5th seed by the trade deadline and then strike…..unless the Hornets wanna give us CP3 NOW!!

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O’Brien,

If I had to choose between Granger and Horford, I’d take Granger. It makes me sad to say that, but it is what it is.

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Someone please explain the logic behind thinking the signing JJ to a max contract, somehow prevents us from improving the team, since it put us over the cap. While at the same time, you seem to have no problem seeing how Miami, who took on 3 max contracts and is over the cap, can somehow still manage to accumulate enough talented players to make them an immediate title contender?

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BILLY KNIGHT was retarded!!!

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Ken Strickand

Re: 230 PM Post. Cause and Effect! Dang! Baby, yopu broke that down like a Chiropractor.
Short Leg equals Back Pain! You got to adjust that Pelvis to balance the Leg and the Back Pain goes away!

Ken, you are something else. I learned so much from reading yours and NorthCyde and Najeh’s post
this morning re: Capology and Trade-ology as it relates to the NBA. You explained it so that a
3 year old could understand it.

IF anyone still does NOT understand Cap & Trade, I recommend reading all the early morning posts
from today. Spec: NorthCyde / Najeh /Ken Strickland.

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LOL . . . it’s hilarious that Mr. Strickland used to chastise people about always talking about Woody in the days after he got fired. But the only one even mentioning Woody these days . . is Mr. Strickland. He can’t go one day without pointing out what the “former coach” did and how it “destoryed” the Hawks.

Let it go Ken . . . let it go. Woody is gone. There is no need to mention his name around these parts.

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As for Chill . . . Chill has been dead to me ever since he went to Greece. He didn’t want to play here anymore, so good riddance.

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Kwame Brown has discontinued discussions with Boston and is reported to be well along in negotiations with another side. With a TPE of about $3M (from the Chills ‘deal’), could Brown perhaps be a target of the ASG? Would this require a sign & trade with Detroit? If so, what’s in it for the Pistons? Using this approach (if it can be made to work) means both the MLE and bi-annual would continue to be in play.

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I agree with trading Chills if he doesn’t want be on a team that is gonna make the playoffs & where he has a chance maybe beat out Marvin then good riddance. Plus he sucked in Greece against sub-par comp 8.8 ppg- 4.6 apg- 1.1 spg- 1.1 apg. When he first signed everybody around league thought that was the new trend. Other than a couple of young guys fresh out of high school he has pretty much blown any chance with his performance for players here to go overseas to cash in on free agency . I think he learned he’s not as good as he thought. He is gonna have to fight for minutes with Hill or Richardson. Nash also is not getting any younger & Turkoglu who they also pick up, is a system player. He did nothing to help Bosh in Toronto. Looks like we finally did something right by not bringing in a scrub who would have been like cancer, for a team looking to grow together. Maybe with the exception we could make a decent move right before the trade deadline & playoffs to help us in needed areas after wev’e seen them play a little in a new system.

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KWAME BROWN? As a WIZ/HAWKS fan could I dissuade the ASG from making this move? I do think they overpaid for ISO-JOE too. Just my two cents. MAGIC and HEAT are both going to be tough competition in the SOUTHEAST Division especially after they sign MILLER.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvvSI2DRvF0

guys use to try to block a lot more shots back in the day.. nowadays dudes getting out the way..

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I’m still trying to figure the hawks out. First you spend 123 million dollars on a loser for a player, but you spend peanuts on a coach that could help you, but you lie to the media and fans about wanting to sign Shaq when you know in your heart you don’t have the guts to pull the trigger. Joe Johnson has never embraced this city not one day he has been here now fans in Atlanta you must see the hawks for what they really are a bunch on naturally born losers, I hope I can get a deal like Lebron James because as of today I’m the newest Miami Heat Fan!!!!!

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SoulStar,

“What Horford does offensively and defensively could be more easily replaced than what Granger does. ”

Really? Give me a CENTER that does the job offensively and defensively as Horford doea at center. Don’t bother, I’ll do it. Howard surpasses him and Horford is better than most of the other 30 starting centers and would be pretty dominant as a a PF. But again,we are speaking of positional importance. Now to Granger (and let me say I really like his game) but Gerald Wallace, Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce (now), Turkoglu, Deng, and Igoudala are his equals.

Hell, Marvin, year before last, with the proper coaching and twice the shots (which Granger takes) can give you 75% the production of Granger…Today. (I’ll take Granger all day) but the point is Al Horford is VERY UNDERRATED!!! As this debate proves.

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Thank God your gone, it’s not like you’ll be missed RIP Chills. But on a serious note RIP Guru !!!!! A hip-hop lengend is gone

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@ Stuart I don’t know if ” highly coveted ” applies to Chills. He didn’t even average double figures against guys who can’t make the Timberwolves roster.

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Hey Hawks Fan if you really are Hawks fan I am glad to Joe back because if we would have lost him we would have been a lottery team

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1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Boston
4. Chicago
5. New Jersey
6. Milwaukee
7. Atlanta
8. Washington

New York could add more FA to got with Amare, Charlotte will have Jackson for a full year. If we add a “Good” FA or trade we could move up. If not, we struggle to make the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round.

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moving on

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Bad pick originally, and did the best of what we could with a bad Chill situation.

Good players will sign for less to play in Miami. Still, I like Orlando and Boston.

Before last season, everyone was pointing to the improving East and predicting the Hawks would struggle for the 8-seed. This team will still win most of their games. Marvin would be a star in Cleveland, and my hope is that Drew lets him and Teague grow.

No, this isn’t a championship team. There can only be one of those each year, and maybe 4 viable candidates. For everyone wishing we’d blow it up again and build for the title, I say “I’d rather win on 60% of the nights with a team that probably can’t win the title, than win 40% on the low-probability that we luck into the next MJ or Kobe or Shaq”

That said, I’d love Lou Williams or Thad Young or Al Thornton

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Truth-serum posted this:

gotcha

July 12th, 2010
2:57 pm

“Welcome back from your suspension Sautee, Aka the ‘LEGENDARY BROWN OOZE OF UNDERSHORTS!”

“MAYBE THIS TIME YOU’ LL STOP STEALING OTHER PEOPLE BLOG NAME(S) TO SAY TO SAY THING TO CONFIRM YOUR IGNORANCE.”

WTF???????

WHAT suspension? I’ve posted on every blog lately. WTF?

And I have NO need to “steal” another’s blog name. Maybe that’s fun for some one your age, but when you are sixty, you’ve LONG stopped “playing games”.

And tell me T-s, is that how a “grown azz man” posts? With false accusations and derogatory language?

You have diminished yourself again. Soon you’ll be a wraith at this rate. Oh, you’ll have a physical presence, but your soul will keep fading with every bit of hate you spew. And you just don’t get that yet.

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Hawks Small Forward depth chart:
Marvin/Evans

Suns Small forward depth chart:
Tork/Hill/Dudley/Chillz

Chillz could have been #2 here with perhaps more 4th quarter playing time than Marvin.

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BigCaliDawg…

Was with you until the end…..Down with the Mangy Mutts and UP with DEM BAYOU BENGALS!!! Despite Les Miles’ SORRY AZZ!!!!!

BTW…Don’t let my hometown UL Ragin Cajuns put an unexpected whup-azz on ya’ll the 1st game of the year. By the looks of recent events Ya’ll will all be too liquored up to notice!!

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spelling, oh well.

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Seeing how Samuel thinks we will be 7th I’m now convinced we will be around the 4th seed. Samuel is so wrong about so many things that his prediction has given me more confidence that we will have a good season. This is the same guy who thought Cleveland would be better with Shaq, NOPE….Same guy who thought Vince Carter would make Orlando better,NOPE. Same guy who thought Woodrow would be coach of the year,NOPE. I was a little worried but after seeing Samuel’s prediction I’m good now.

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“Can a team S&T a player and send another player with
him in an expanded deal, say a two for two, with one
being a S&T?”

I’m not 100% sure, but after reading the salary cap FAQ page, I don’t see anything that specifically says you can’t. The problem is, sign-and-traded players are BYC if they receive a raise over 20%, which makes it that much harder to package them with other players in a trade even if it is legal.

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Since people are so readily making predictions about next season, I’ll share some of my thoughts on the matter. Realistically, there’s only 1 team in the East that is proven to be better than the Hawks at the moment, and that is the Orlando Magic. The Celtics are probably still a top 4 team in the East, but with their core getting older and older, and with Perkins missing, I’d expect them to struggle a bit next season in terms of acquiring homecourt advantage in the playoffs. Also, their bench is pretty much a mystery right now, the only guy will most likely be there from last season is Glen Davis, so until their final roster is set, no one really knows how effect that team will be.

Also, I’m seeing a lot of people mentioning Chicago as a top 4 team. This seems to be kind of a stretch. Their only major acquision has been Carlos Boozer. He’s a tremendous player in terms of his low post scoring and rebounding, and he gives that team a legitimate threat on the box, however, they have significantly weakened their backcourt by throwing away Kirk Hinrich. The team has a lack of true shooters, and aside from boozer, they have no true interior presence. I expect them to possibly be a 5 or 6 seed, but I definitely wouldn’t put them in the Top 4 in the East next season.

Now, onto the “SuperFriends” trio. A lot of people seem to think that just because three of the top players in the league are joining forces, they are immediately, magically going to be the top team in the league and a surefire contender for the Championship. People really need to come to grips with reality. Each of these players is going to have to make legitimate sacrifices and adjust rapidly to a new system that none of them are familiar with. Less usage and diminished roles could create some chemistry problems, and I expect the Wade, Lebron, Bosh trio to take significant time to adjust. With that being said, I think the Heat will eventually make it into the top 4 spots in the East next season, but much of how far they get depends on what they’ll be able to put together as far as an actual TEAM. They don’t have much money to spend at this point, and surrounding your stars with league minimum vets is not necessarily going to get the job done.

Outside of the Magic, Hawks, Celtics, Heat, Bulls, and Milwaukee, I don’t expect the other teams to make much more noise than they did last year. The pacers are still relatively trapped in the same position, Washington will improve, but it will take time and I don’t even expect them to make the playoffs this year. The Knicks, barring any amazing post-season moves, will still be the Knicks, just with a new face (Amare). Also, the sixers will still be the sixers. Unless they are planning on making a legitimate push to acquire a replacement big men, I think they are going to have some trouble playing Brand at the 5, and I don’t think coach Collins was the best fit for them either.

Hmm, who are we still missing? Ah, the Nets. I expect them to improve on their record from last year (obviously), but I doubt they will do anything spectacular. A playoff appearance is not terribly unlikely considering the dramatic drop-off after the top teams in the East.

Based upon that, here’s my bold prediction of the East standings based on the current rosters (which are obviously subject to some dramatic revisions in the future).

1. Orlando
2. Miami
3. Atlanta
4. Boston
5. Chicago
6. Milwaukee
7. Charlotte
8. New Jersey (with a sub-.500 record)

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Gee Mack why is my prediction Strange. Boston will basicly have the same team and so will we. We also have a new coach who can hopefully get more out of our Yungnz. I mean we did have a better record than them this year,so what have they done to make you think the same wont occur in 2010 2011
I can honestly see us having a better record but boston going further in the playoffs

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Has anybody here thought about going after 30 year old center Luis Scola? the guy averages 16ppg and 9rpg. He’s a banger and can give Al Horford relief off the bench and move Al to PF when he’s in the game. Instead of going after shaq at 7 mil per, why not give Scola 7 Mil per for 4 seasons and see if he takes it?

That’s just my personal opinion, what do you all think?

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Soulstar, Cajunstorm,

Its easy to get numbers on a bad team, and that’s part of the reason why granger’s numbers are what they are.

Jj was our #1 option on a 53 win team. Make Granger the #1 option on a 53 win team and I think his numbers and PER go down.

If anything, I want horford and Granger. I guess I could be convinced to trade Marvin and bibby for Granger. But no way Indy goes for it.

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Ken S

Get Em’! Do yo thang Bruh!

I’ll always love you – And, please Get Well Soon!
-drmaryb-

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I cannot believe all of these big men are slipping out of their hands so quick and they are enamored with some French guard. Don’t they have enough guards. The Hawks are screwing up this summer. DJ Mbenga might be worth a look if they cannot get Shaq, Big-Z or Miller. My problem with all of these guys is that they are all over the hill.

TRADING CHILLY FOR A 2ND ROUND PICK MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE THIS TEAM WILL NOT DRAFT OR SIGN A PICK 2ND WORTH A DAMN!!!!!!!!!!! THE ANGER HAS BEGUN. GO THUNDER!!!!!!! A GOOD YOUNG TEAM WITH GOOD MANAGEMENT. OK I WON’T LEAVE THAT QUICK.

CAN WE GET SOME BIGS??????
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

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Sorry for the doom and gloom!!!!!

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Cleveland and Orlando were better. Just not as good as Boston. Plus, who could have predicted LeBron’s mom to bang a psychopath with multiple tattoos. I stand by my prediction.

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“He speaks as an owner of LeBron and not the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers,” the reverend said in a release from his Chicago-based civil rights group, the Rainbow PUSH Coalition. “His feelings of betrayal personify a slave master mentality. He sees LeBron as a runaway slave. This is an owner employee relationship — between business partners — and LeBron honored his contract.”

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bench -bibby- cawford- evans- josh- za za

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So, when an owner trades a player to the Clippers, and that player hears about it on the radio or
ESPN? Isn’t that betrayal of the highest form?

I guess it’s different when a player does the same and announces it in ESPN!
People can sure DISH what they can’t TAKE.

Do yo thang LeBron! Keep your head up! You owe Cleveland nothing – you can’t help where you were born.
If, I were born I’m Ohio, I would leave too.

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The Wind Beneath my Wings!

Yall know good and well, IF Josh Chilly cut his hair? The wind would lift his ears and he would fly away!
Yall know that AFRO is a cover up.

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Is being moderated like being censored. Who is the thought police? Would I be censored if I bowed down and worship Horfords 12pts and 8.7 rebounds like his parishioners on this site?

Samuel – Co-sign your post. Last year the experts picked us 4-7 seeded. No doubt we will be lucky to get higher than a 6th seed. We did nothing to get better. In fact the moves weve made take us backwards.

Samuel

July 12th, 2010
4:39 pm

1. Miami
2. Orlando
3. Boston
4. Chicago
5. New Jersey
6. Milwaukee
7. Atlanta
8. Washington

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Stern has fined Dan Gilbert $100,000; and also bashed The Prince James show and his decision to tell the Cavs on TV . . .

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Samuel,

How many slaves ever got their “owner” to spend $20 million for one year just to increase that particular “slave’s” chance at a ring?

Gilbert was an ass, but the whole “runaway slave” thing is just as much over the top as Gilbert’s letter was. Much ado about TRULY nothing.

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Add Marvin’s 7.5mil with the 3mil TE from Chills deal, and do a S&T with Spurs for Richard Jefferson. Then sign Shaq to the MLE for 2 years. Fill the last spot w/vet PG or wing defensive specialist, and I think our job will be done this summer.

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another bad move for the hawks. would have rather seen marvin traded. i would rather them trade marvin and MAYBE mo. and signed chilldress and matt barnes

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@ iceColdATLien…….

i like that move!

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thanks, angry…

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We should’ve gotten shack

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Now YOU know

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For everyone interested in the summer league game tonight, espn3.com is showing it at 10 :30..Might want to get familiar with a few of the players because the way its going I wouldn’t be shocked if a few make the roster seeing how we aren’t signing anybody.

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I know the game is being shown on ESPN 3, but my internet provider is not able to use it. Does anyone know of a link to where i might be able to watch the game somewhere else. If not, guess I will have to wait to watch the re-play in the morning. Pape Sy is gonna go off tonight ha

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Mr. Strickland . . it’s no harm or malice on my part. Just an observation.

LOL . . I’m just saying though. This is a point that you’ve stated over and over and over again. It’s like an old Ms. Pac Man game pattern.

- praise Teague

- elplain how Drew’s OFF/DEF systems will work, even though we’ve never seen it

- insert the random “name call of former head coach”

- followed by the “Bibby diss”.

I actually think it’s funny more than anything. Just picking at you man.

LOL @ MsDee . . . over there “cheerleading”

(( passing her some A-Town dancer pom-poms ))

I’M a Hawks fan before I’m a fan of any player or coach, so I hope you’re right about Teague and Drew.

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Spurs officially signed Tiago Splitter on NBA.com. Shaq must look elsewhere.
Richard Jefferson opted out in SA, he is a free agent and can be signed outright. Spurs didn’t want him back for the money, lack of defense, and jump shot was bad this season. I keep Marvin.
Many free agents are lining up to play in Miami with big three for league or vet minimum re: Jerry Stackhouse on NBATV stated he is waiting for a call to play with Miami. Why? Stackhouse said for a chance to win a ring. He didn’t mention Atlanta by the way.

This is why many wanted Hawks to take a big like Whiteside in the draft. If you don’t want to spend money on a big, get one cheap in the draft and develop him. Hawks do neither. Still waiting for a big trade for bench help.

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The Shooter,

Here’s why
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/12/lebron-james-decision-rat_n_642719.html

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Jesse Jackson is an idiot. He’s talking slavery and Lebron/Gilbert in the same sentence? How many slaves could become free agents? How many made millions upon millions of dollars a year?

Jackson will do anything to keep promoting anti-race relations and draw attention to himself. Well, that is except when he’s talking about cutting off the nads of our current president. That’s when he showed his true colors.

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lets get it..

EARLY!

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smh @ randmo

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Common Ray,

Don’t pretend like you don’t understand the analogy. My God. The man was making a point.
Ray,

It’s ok to agree with Jesse. It don’t make you a racists. I don’t agree with everything the man says but I understand what he was talking about.

LeBron doesn’t owe anybody anything. He honored his contract. He has the right to go wherever he wants.

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Phoenix’s second-round pick??!! That’ll be, what, something like the 50th pick?
IDIOTS!

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Randolph Morris with the offensive foul. ‘Tard…..

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One more thing Mr. Strickland. Don’t take anything to heart on here. Most of us are simply highly opinionated fans who “think” we know what is best for our team. In the end, we all want to see the same thing . . . the Hawks win a championship.

My job here is to support you guys with facts and stats, along with my “semi-expert” analysis. If you or others disagree . . lol . . it’s al good.

I call you Mr. Strickland, because while I may disagree with you at times, I do respect your opinion and the way you lay out your arguments. You make it crystal clear where you stand on an issue, and I appreciate that.

As for your health, may the Lord give you the strength to fight that demon every day of your life. DO NOT let that demon win.

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Ray..

what was more disappointing was his lazy defensive footwork leading to a foul.

man gotta love Hawks in July!

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Thabeet has made strides in his low post game..

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Samuel,

I’ll admit it: I didn’t have as much of an issue with Jesse Jackson in the past, I was used to the noise he makes. He really got my attention when he got caught saying what he did about Obama. That was crabbish. And everybody who understands that term knows exactly what I’m saying.

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Great pass by Teague horrible finish by Hendrix

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