Atlanta Hawks: Childress sign-and-trade in works (UPDATE: Hawks, Suns agree to trade)
The Hawks have agreed to a sign-and-trade that would send forward Josh Childress to Phoenix for a second-round pick and a trade exception, people with knowledge of the situation confirmed.
Paul Coro of the Arizona Republic reported Sunday night that the deal was “on the verge” of completion. Childress would sign with Phoenix for six years and at least $30 million, according to the report.
If Childress signs a deal for those terms, Atlanta’s trade exception would be worth half the amount of his first-year salary since he would become a base-year compensation player. The exception works as a sort of credit that would allow the Hawks to make a trade while over the salary cap without meeting the usual salary-matching requirement.
Atlanta drafted Childress with the No. 6 overall pick of the 2004 draft. He played four seasons with the Hawks before opting to sign a free-agent contract with Greek team Olympiakos in 2008. He has until Thursday to opt out of the final season of that three-year, $20 million deal.
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John
July 12th, 2010
1:43 am
And my retardedness is coming out since I now can’t spell at 143am…lol
John
July 12th, 2010
1:45 am
@Najeh…curious…do you think Cleveland would take on Bibby and Williams…it seems they’re interested in Marvin since they’re desperate for a SF? In your latest scenario…would they also include, for example, Mo Williams?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
1:46 am
Although, then again, the Suns traded a part of their trade exception acquired from the Knicks to the Hawks. So I really don’t know which to believe. Based on that, the salary cap FAQ appears to be mistaken.
That’s about enough work for my brain for today.
tckr83
July 12th, 2010
1:46 am
John-
I agree with you that the offseason/FA just started and there is still plenty of time to improve from last years team that won 53 games… but, so far, even you would have to admit that there have been some head-scratchers so far for the Hawks this offseason… The only thing that all Hawks can agree with is, Jordan Crawford is a heckuva pickup at the end of the 1st round. That’s it.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
1:47 am
“do you think Cleveland would take on Bibby and Williams”
I think any team would be crazy to take on either player, but who knows. If Travis Outlaw can get $35 million over 5 years, maybe some team will actually want Marvin.
tckr83
July 12th, 2010
1:48 am
Marvin Williams is a bargain compared to Outlaw! I couldn’t believe that one when I read Outlaw’s new contract…
Jake
July 12th, 2010
1:49 am
Hawks Trade
——————
Hawks get
1.Mo Willams
2.Shaquille o’ neal
Cavs get
1.Marvin Willams
2…..2 2011 2nd round draft picks
John
July 12th, 2010
1:49 am
@Najeh…Just something I saw, that’s why I asked. Then again, under that scenario, someone else would have to be added…because who would play the 3 for Atlanta? lol
@ tckr…I do agree there have been some headscratchers…but I’m holding out hope that this is all part of a big plan. I may be naive…but I’m still hopeful…lol
northcyde
July 12th, 2010
1:52 am
JJ and Mo Evans would play the 3.
tmk
July 12th, 2010
1:52 am
For all the folks complaining about getting nothing for Chills – he’s already been gone two years; we just happened to have his NBA rights. If he wanted to be here and be that “energy guy off the bench,” as one Hawk may have called him, he would be. This is far better than losing him outright for nothing.
John
July 12th, 2010
1:54 am
JJ and Mo Evans? Who’s playing the 2 now????
tckr83
July 12th, 2010
1:54 am
John-
I’m right there with you on that one man… Something is up, we’ll find out eventually. Just gotta hope it puts the team over the “hump” and into that next tier of the NBA.
John
July 12th, 2010
1:57 am
I still think JJ could have taken about 3 – 5 million dollars, at a minimum, less a year, to show how committed he is to winning in Atlanta and the team itself…but it’s all water under the bridge now.
Jake
July 12th, 2010
1:59 am
2010-2012 Hawks Roster
PG-Mo Willams
SG-Joe Johnson
SF-Mo Evans
PF-Josh Smith
C-Al Horford
Bench
-Jamal Crawford
-Shaquille o’ neal
-Jeff Teage
-Zaza Pachulia
-Jordan Crawford
-Pape sy
John
July 12th, 2010
2:00 am
@Jake…I really don’t like MO starting at the 3…maybe it would work…but a real step back in my opinion. And Pape Sy will not be in Atlanta this year. He’s only over for the summer league.
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:01 am
JJ taking less wouldn’t have affected anything since he was already counting against our cap because we owned his rights(well not owned them, but we’d have to renunce him to clear that cap room, but if we did that we would loose his Bird rights). I’m sure if JJ truly COULD have affected our cap by taking less, if he probably would have.
tckr83
July 12th, 2010
2:01 am
haha. I said the same thing a few days ago… I wish he’d pull a Chipper Jones and give SOMETHING back to loosen things up at least a little for the team financially.
Real Talk
July 12th, 2010
2:01 am
Why are you people stressing and growing grey hairs about this joke of a team. They show what they thought about you when they signed the I could care less if they show up or not OVERPAID 120 million $ man back. SHAQ would be a fool in he comes here and ride the bench. What good is winning 50+ games and getting destroyed in the playoffs two years straight going seven games to a one man Miami Heat team and going seven games to an underman Bucks team and getting embarrassed in the second round sweeps. This team might have won 53 games last year in a weak eastern conference but I highly doubt they would even win 45 this upcoming year. The Eastern Conference will indeed be highly competitive this year here is my prediction.
1. Miami Heat (it doesn’t matter who play with the superpowers those 3 along will destroy the East
2. Orlando Magic ( if anybody can upset the Heat than its them)
3. Chicago Bulls ( Boozer now Kyle Kover give them a solid starting 5)
4. Boston Celtics (They will be going through the motions of the season they are built for the playoffs
5. Milwaukee Bucks ( Bogot returning will make them a solid team with a chip on their shoulder
6. Atlanta Hawks (they wouldn’t listen to Woody what make U think they would listen to LD)
7. Charlotte Bobcats ( Larry Brown guys just might up seed the Hawks)
8. Washington Wizards ( Wall, Arenas and Yi will do some damage this year)
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:02 am
No more mo, leave marvin alone uless ou’ve got somebody better. I gaurentee we will sign Luke Jackson.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
2:03 am
“who would play the 3 for Atlanta?”
Ronnie Brewer? Josh Howard?
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:04 am
Can somebody show me a deal where we could get Ryan Hollins? Along with Shaq?
John
July 12th, 2010
2:05 am
Miami will NOT “destroy” the east…they’re not even going to make it ouf of the east. I still believe Boston and Orlando are better than Miami. You can drool over the “superpowers”—horrible analogy but I’ll run with it…they have NOONE that can bang inside and dominate the glass..NOONE.
ignition
July 12th, 2010
2:05 am
Real Talk this is a real message board, if you don’t care for the Hawks stay off the board.
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:05 am
Najeh, I forgot about them lol. I didn’t think The Wizards released Howard?
Isn’t Minny trying to get rid od Al Jefferson? We should get in on that to get Hollins. CLE is in the mix too.
John
July 12th, 2010
2:05 am
@Najeh…ok, how are we getting one of those two players? lol
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
2:09 am
1. Orlando
2. Miami
3. Chicago
4. Boston
5. Atlanta
6. Milwaukee
7. Charlotte
8. Cleveland
Before you hate on me for my very non-expert predictions, a) Orlando is still a better TEAM than Miami, b) 3 of the top 4 seeds have to be division winners, and c) I think Atlanta will finish with a better record than Boston or Chicago but will get bumped down because of the division winner rule.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
2:10 am
“I didn’t think The Wizards released Howard?”
They had a team option on him for this upcoming season, and they declined. He is an unrestricted free agent.
Sports Review
July 12th, 2010
2:10 am
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John
July 12th, 2010
2:12 am
@Najeh…I agree with your list. The number 8 seed I think will be the interesting one…could be Cleveland depending on moves…if Washington stays healthy, and out of prison, they could be dangerous as well. Also, Orlando and Miami are in the same division…won’t be 1 and 2 will they???
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:13 am
Maaaan We can’t afford to go Backwards.
HAWKMAN
July 12th, 2010
2:16 am
JOSH SMITH, ZAZA, JAMAL CRAWFORD, FOR CP3, E OKERFO
Real Talk
July 12th, 2010
2:19 am
@ ignition you right I don’t care about a team that plays with no pride or no heart and I have the right to address it on whatever board I may choose.
@ John Miami is in constructing mode right now I’m pretty sure they will have their rosters filled to before the season I would rather SHAQ go to either Boston or Miami anywhere but here because these guys with the exception of Al Horford and Jamal Crawford aren’t serious about winning. I gotta respect the superpower for willing to take pay cuts to build a winning Dynasty can’t say so much for Joe though.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
2:20 am
“how are we getting one of those two players? ”
Good question… in a perfect world one of them signs for the biannual exception, but each one will command more than that on the free agent market, which means the Hawks would have to trade someone for them.
ignition
July 12th, 2010
2:20 am
Personally I think with just an inclusion of a Big (like Shaq) and a possible shooter I don’t fear anyone in the East. We are two deep, athletic, and strong for many of these teams..
John
July 12th, 2010
2:22 am
@Real…oh I don’t doubt what they’re trying to do…and their reasonings…heck, I’d do it if I were in their shoes. But just b/c those 3 are on same roster doesn’t make them the beast of the east. We will never again see the same Lebron or Wade for 82 games…it cannot happen with them as teammates.
Michael Gearon Jr.
July 12th, 2010
2:22 am
OK,
How about none of it?
John
July 12th, 2010
2:22 am
Barring something really big this summer or fall…it’s still another ring for Kobe…lol
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:31 am
Michael Gearon Jr.,
How about you refund my season tickets? ^_*
northcyde
July 12th, 2010
2:36 am
John .. . what you may see . . is Lebron become a souped-up Magic Johnson. Wade will be the top scorer, Bosh will be the 20 pt guy on the frontline, but Lebron could possibly average 10+ assists a game.
I think that is Lebron’s transformation . . to become the top assist guy in the league, while still having the ability to score 20 ppg.
Wade is more of the Kobe/Jordan type closer. Bosh is the Gasol type that gives them scoring and rebounding. And whomever is the designated shooter on that team ( Mike Miller or somebody ), is going to get wide open looks when teams go into panic mode trying to slow down one of those 3 guys.
Just don’t be surprised if Lebron’s scoring average dips significantly ( 20 – 22 ppg ), but his assists increase dramatically ( 10 – 12 apg )
John
July 12th, 2010
2:41 am
@north…I’d agree with that. Wade is a good closer…but he’s not on the level of Kobe and Jordan. And Bosh, who I’ve always liked since his one year at GT (still irritates me he didn’t stay longer…lol). I do think they’re going to be good this year, and even better as they go along…however, they have no match for Howard…they can’t match with Boston’s frontline…and they certainly have nowhere near a match for Gasol and Bynum in L.A. So again, another ring for Kobe.
OK
July 12th, 2010
2:44 am
I think we should go after Carmelo
Marvin, Mo Evans, Bibby, Zaza, 2nd Rd pick, 3mill For Carmelo
*Thats assuming he doesn’t re-up with the Nuggets this summer and the Nuggs follow through on ther threat to trade him rather than let him become a UFA.
John
July 12th, 2010
2:48 am
@ OK….anything can obviously happen…but Denver said they will not trade him this year, even if it means he becomes an UFA next year.
change
July 12th, 2010
3:17 am
I’m sure it’s been said by many-
The Hawks have a great team, but they need to pursue Shaq, number one, and i’m not sure on what they will have to do for that (get joe johnson to sign for less ala lebron and wade etc.), trade childress, and if we have to trade one of our guys perhaps Marvin.. but Marvin is a good player and has alot of room for improvement.
I don’t understand how dysfunctional the hawks ownership/management has been for decades, please take some lessons from mr john shuerholz and the atlanta braves.
there is no excuse to be throwing away first round draft picks.
if we make this happen, we can win championships. if not, last resort, i will agree that we could soon slip back to having losing seasons and a trainwreck roster year after year.
sign shaq, and there is no excuse because we have the roster/talent.
people are hard on the hawks, the series against the magic was an ugly way to end an otherwise GREAT year. they have made the playoff’s the past 3 years. the magic is the only team that gives them problems, and with shaq guarding vince carter and dwight howard -this is just what we need.
change
July 12th, 2010
3:19 am
Also, i meant to add, Shaq not only is the right center for the hawks, but he will bring personality to the hawks which is good for the fans, city, franchise, and can bring the team together more so…
N-Trigue
July 12th, 2010
3:41 am
If we do a sign and trade at least get Gani Lawal and a pick for childress!
diamondd
July 12th, 2010
4:05 am
the hawks NEED A BIG MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why arent we going after shaq, i know the negative things that have been said, but in the end he would be a deciding factor when going up against the heat celtics or orlando. if we dont get a big man this season, we have already lost again the 1st round of the playoffs…… INCREDIBLE, the hawks management just dont learn….we are even giving away childress for some lowly 2nd round pick…. i am lost for words…
D21
July 12th, 2010
4:49 am
John
July 12th, 2010
12:15 am
“ANYTHING for Childress is good…considering he is really not of much value playing in Greece for 2 years…and the cap space we save helps tremendously!!! ”
???
We are over the cap, so we don’t get any cap room.
We just stay 6M under the Tax instead of 1M, and have our MLE.
Basically it’s just our owners not wanting to spend as much as they can to improve the team.
They could have match, and use the MLE (and pay some tax), and trade him later if he’s not the best fit.
i_am_soulstar
July 12th, 2010
12:28 am
“The trade exception is extremely valuable, especially for a team over the cap. If the exception is 6 million, that means the Hawks can trade a Hawks player making 7 million and the trade exception for another player making 13 million.”
Maybe it’s already said, but you can’t do it.
the one-year traded player exception can be used only to get a player (or several players) with a salary equal or less the amount of the exception.
John
July 12th, 2010
4:56 am
D21…Childress said he would never play in Atlanta again…so you want to sign him for 6 years and over 30 million dollars? I hope you’re kidding…even if it was to trade him later. Why pay the dollar for dollar tax when there’s absolutely no reason to?
N-Trigue
July 12th, 2010
5:36 am
Josh Howard is available too! Just saying!
Simpdawg
July 12th, 2010
5:49 am
The Hawks should go after Brad Miller. He’s a better fit for the Hawks. Shaq is too old and you can’t play him at the end of games because of his poor free throw shooting. I’m telling all of you signing Shaq would be a big mistake, I promise you.