Atlanta Hawks: Camp chatter
Emptying the notebook . . . .
Some observations and chatter after two open practice sessions at Philips Arena:
– The Hawks haven’t offered Shaq a contract yet. There’s still the open question of what kind of role he’s willing to accept on his new team. The Hawks also are said to be looking at Brad Miller, Ilgauskas, Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown and Anthony Tolliver.
– Johan Petro was a possibility before he agreed with New Jersey on a three-year, $10 million deal. That should give you an ideal that it’s still a seller’s market for centers.
– L.D.’s summer plan for Teague:
“What I told him is basically I am going to turn him loose. I want him to be himself. I don’t want him to be concerned about making mistakes and missing shots because I have all the confidence in the world in his ability. He can break the defense down, he can get into the interior of the defense. He knows how to make plays. He is just one of the guys on our team with that breakdown ability. I want to allow him to be himself and play carefree and go out and have fun. No restrictions for him.”
– Teague will make his summer league debut but already seems hip to the difference between that and the real thing. “It is totally different when you play with guys who have been in the league a while. It makes the game a whole lot easier for you. But the summer league, it’s just going out there and showing what you can do. Show that you have the ability to run a team and play at this level.”
– He’s ready to be turned loose: “I think that’s the easiest way to play when you are with guys you are not familiar with. Just get up and down. Start getting stops and push it. The offense that we run, it is kind of complicated. You know guys are not going to remember it when they get in the game and start going one on one.”
– Teague on L.D.’s offense:
“I can’t really explain it. It’s kind of like a Princeton motion offense. Everybody is going to get shots, everybody is going to get touches. You can do everything out of it. You can get down-screens, pick-and-rolls. It is kind of a unique offense. It is perfect for our team. We’ve got a lot of guys who can handle the ball on our team and it gives them a chance to show what they can do. And you also get to move the ball. We didn’t get a lot of movement last year and that was something that hurt us. The offense makes it where that isolation thing is not there anymore unless you get it at the top of the key and the shot clock is winding down. Then you have some players who are really good in isolation like Joe. He’s going to add to the offense and have plays like that. But most of the time it is movement, back screens and cuts, posts for Smoove and Al and pick-and-rolls.”
– Pape Sy (pronounced “Pop See”) is getting positive early reviews. It seems he really did kind of come out of nowhere–he said he didn’t work out for any other teams, though Milwaukee had some interest.
– Pape said he played both guard positions in France. So how did a 6-7 French kid become a point guard? Credit his mother Fatim, whom Pape said coaches youth players in France. “When I was young I wasn’t really tall. [But] my dad is taller than me [so] my mom knows that I would be tall. So she [taught] me how to handle the ball and after that I grew.”
– Pape is legitimately 6-7 and quick with long arms. Those are the tools for a good defender and Pape also seems to have the tenacity for it. “He’s a good defender,” L.D. said. “Ask Jeff Teague. Took [the ball] from him. [Teague] got a little lackdasical with the ball and he just took it from him. He’s a gritty defender. He’s got good size, he’s got long arms and he’s got an aggression about him. You can’t be lax around him.”
– Chances are Pape and Sergiy Gladyr are headed back to their European teams next season, Le Havre in the French first division and Bàsquet Manresa of the Spanish ACB League respectively. Both players have a year left on their contracts. The Hawks could buy out their deals but they have no plans to do so. “Now is not the right time,” said Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft. “We brought them over here to get experience. The game plan is for them to learn the system and get them some exposure to some NBA-level players.”
– Sergiy can really shoot it. “[Spain] is a perfect place for him,” Pendergraft said. “It is a good league, arguably the second-best league in the world, and he gets to play.”
– L.D. on Jordan Crawford (how’s JC2 for a nickname?): “This kid has speed, he has quickness, he can make shots. He does a great job reading the defense. I see him being a real good plus to us because the kid can score. He has that uncanny ability with scoring, whether out on the perimeter or getting to the basket. He finds ways to score. He seems to be a pretty clever basketball player. I am excited about him.”
– L.D. isn’t turning him loose like Teague, though. He wants Crawford to get used to his likely role with the Hawks, which means being a low-volume, high-efficiency scorer. “I know he was a big-time scorer in college and I don’t want to take away his aggressiveness,” Drew said. “But shot selection is a big key at this level. I will allow him to be himself but I will be letting him know if I think it’s a bad shot.”
– Here is what Kelvin Sampson, Crawford’s coach at IU, had to say on that topic when I talked to him for a Crawford story: “Sometimes talent can be a blessing and sometimes it can be something that’s tough to handle. Talented kids have a tendency to think they can do anything. The thing I tried to impress upon Jordan was shot selection. He thought they were all good shots. He would say, ‘Coach, I can make that.’ Well, that’s fine but 1 out of 10 is probably not good enough. Give me 8 out of 10 or at least 6 out of 10.”
– Crawford looked to be winded during the two practices that were open to media. That’s no surprise since L.D. put the players through some pretty intense workout sessions and it’s doubtful Crawford has gone this hard since March.
– It looks like RandMo, James Augustine, and Alade Aminu all will get a shot to make the roster. L.D. on RandMo coming out for summer league: “I thought it was a great gesture on his behalf. Some guys who have been in the league a few years, their pride won’t allow them to play in the summer league. But he sees it as an opportunity. I tip my hat to him for that. I am going to give him an opportunity to show what we can do.”
– The Hawks have been a surprisingly slow-paced team considering their stable of athletes. L.D. said he wants to change that. “I would, with that athletes we have,” he said. “We have got guys that can get up and down the floor. We have got big men that can handle the ball. We have go to rebound to do that. And if you [run] you have got to be smart, selective. You don’t want to go crazy with that.”
– Smoove stopped by Philips and watched some of the practice. What’s he been working on this summer? “I have been looking at some of my old tape. I am still studying what I need to work on. Back when I was playing and then to now, it looks a whole lot different. I always have room to grow. You will always be a student of the game as long as you play. There is always room for improvement.”
– Josh is on board with the plan to add a big. “To have somebody that can be down there and be strong and dominant, somebody that is going to rebound and finish around the bucket and catch the ball. Me and Al can take care of the rest. We could use a little more help, a little more depth. I think we do extremely well with a lot of the bigs in the league. We seem to struggle with guys like Dwight and . . . just pretty much Dwight. We need somebody who can help us with that if we have to face him in the playoffs again.”
– Like Shaq, for instance? “He definitely brings that maturity and the leadership. He definitely brings that experience we need. He has won titles. He’s been there in the postseason so he knows what it takes to win and I think he would be a good guy for the locker room.”
– Smoove on the Miami SuperFriends: “Those guys have to make it work. We have a group of guys that have been together for a long time and we know what each other likes to do. From that standpoint, I think we have the upside on them.”
– L.D. expects new lead assistant Lester Conner to help develop a defensive mentality for the Hawks. Said Conner: “They’ve won 50-plus games the last two years but when they get to the second round they kind of stumble. When you get to the second round, you’ve got to bring the toughness and energy out of guys to get to the next level. We want to pattern ourselves after the Celtics, the Orlando Magic. You’ve got to play defense. If they don’t buy into that, it’s going to be the same thing. Our job as a staff is to get them to buy into that.”
– Conner will coach the summer league entry while L.D. observes.
– I’m out, blog people. Hope all of that info whets your appetite for a minute. I will check the comments later but right now a brotha needs a breather.
MC
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LEA
July 10th, 2010
8:14 pm
sounds good!!
mountain_jim
July 10th, 2010
8:17 pm
Good info MC.
NCBravesFan
July 10th, 2010
8:19 pm
Thanks for the updates, MC. Really good off season stuff – it’s much appreciated!
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
8:23 pm
awesome
HawkKingBibby
July 10th, 2010
8:25 pm
MC, Sam Amica said that trade talks between the Hawks and Cavs at the Vegas summer league are heating up and he mentioned Shaq and Mo Williams for the Hawks and Clev looking at Marv and Chills.
HawkKingBibby
July 10th, 2010
8:25 pm
Here is the link http://twitter.com/SamAmicoNBA
Scott
July 10th, 2010
8:26 pm
I have read reports that the Hawks and Cavs are talking trade. Maybe Josh Childress will go to the Cavs and Shaq to the ATL
Ree Roe
July 10th, 2010
8:26 pm
I just saw your latest twitter entry about the Cavs bein interested in acquiring Josh Childress. Who would we look to acquire from them for Childress? Thanks for all your insight MC
-REEgistered as Roe!!!
I MUS WRITE
July 10th, 2010
8:30 pm
Just read that earlier Hawkking, I think Mo would be a nice fit if we could include Bibby. If not Maybe do a Chillz/Marvin for Moon/Varajeo
Wabe
July 10th, 2010
8:32 pm
Lovin’ what I’m hearing out of LD to this point. I know it’s early, and words don’t necessarily translate into W’s.
But, I like what I’m hearing about the offense.
I’m assuming if we’re still looking for a defensive philosophy:
“L.D. expects new lead assistant Lester Conner to help develop a defensive mentality for the Hawks.”
LD must’ve not been feelin’ Woody’s switching ways.
I MUS WRITE
July 10th, 2010
8:35 pm
I would prefer Varejo over Shaq at C. Moon is a nice Sf more than capable of duplicating Marvins numbers from last year 10.8 ppg.
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
8:35 pm
L.D. is dialing up all the right ingredients Lets just see how the finished product taste.You got to be exited about next season.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
8:39 pm
Great stuff MC. Drew’s offensive philosophy and approach with these young players seems like exactly what the Hawks need.
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
8:42 pm
There is no way the Cavs will give up Varejo he is their best talent since LBJ is gone.Mo and Shaq would be just fine.This trade would be just what the hawks need and if they can sign another vetern like Kurt Thomas the hawks would have a sick squad with young atheletes and great veterns. If Sund can pull this off you fans have to view the man differently.
MaxxHawk
July 10th, 2010
8:43 pm
MC you are on fire, great blog, great read. Josh needs to work on his Free Throws this offseason
I Heart Atlanta
July 10th, 2010
8:43 pm
Man i wish they would take bibby instead of marvin then our team would be RIGHT!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
8:44 pm
I’m definitely not sweating trading Marvin; like I’ve said before, anything of value for him is a good trade. I apparently have a more positive opinion on Childress than most on this blog or in the Hawks’ front office; I think starting him at SF would be a huge upgrade and a great fit for this team. On talent alone, though, the Hawks win a Marvin+Childress for Shaq+Mo Williams trade.
The only problem I have is I don’t know that Mo Williams at $9 million a year for the next three years is what the Hawks really need. He’s a good player, but it’s one thing to hold back Teague’s development for a true star like CP3 and another thing to do so for just a pretty good player like Mo Williams. Who is to say that Teague won’t be at Mo Williams’ level by the end of the season?
Also, if they get rid of Marvin AND Childress they are going to have a gaping hole at SF. I guess they can always fill that with a free agent — if I’m not mistaken they will still have their mid-level if they sign-and-trade for Shaq and Mo — but in my opinion they would be better off just trading Marvin for Shaq, signing Childress to start at SF, and leaving Mo Williams in Cleveland.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
8:50 pm
“The Hawks also are said to be looking at Brad Miller, Ilgauskas, Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown and Anthony Tolliver. ”
Kurt Thomas is the only one of those who is realistically going to give Howard any serious problems, and even he is undersized. Ilgauskas has the height and the offensive skills to help the Hawks in other ways, but he will also struggle against Howard — this is why the Cavs acquired Shaq last year in the first place. The other players on that list are not going to do much against Howard either.
Ken Strickland
July 10th, 2010
8:54 pm
I hate to say it, but everything LDrew and the players that have been interviewed say proves Woodson was holding certain players and the overall team back. Teague said LDrew told him he no longer had to look over his shoulder, or worry about making mistakes or missing shots. THAT SAYS IT ALL.
I still wish the Hawks would explore the possibility of trading Bibby, Evans and Zaza for Okafor, and do a sign and trade of Childress’ rights with Washington for JMcGee. Horford, Okafor and MGee would make an awesome, and very productive 3 headed center, both offensively and defensively.
That move would allow us to use our biannual exemption, and our MLE to sign a PG and a wing player or 2.
C-AHorford/EOkafor/JMcGee
PF-JSmith/RMorris
SF-MWilliams/MBarnes
SG-JJohnson/JaCrawford/JoCrawford
PG-JTeague/FA
After the season, we can use JaCrawford’s expiring contract to resign AHorford and get whoever else we need. I like this scenario better than signing Shaq. Why, because it gives us more options and talent for the money, and it doesn’t leave us with another Bibby situation(Shaq). And, we won’t have to visit this same need a backup center situation in another yr or 2.
If we can’t resign Okafor, for whatever reason, we can easily trade him and his expiring contract for some assets. You can bet we won’t be able to do that with Shaq a yr of 2 from now.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 10th, 2010
8:55 pm
MC for Beat Writer of the YEAR
Sara
July 10th, 2010
8:56 pm
Well it’s nice to get some updates. Seems like L.D.s offense is going to be good for the Hawks. We’ll really see what it does when training camp gets hear. I’ve also read the rumors about Chills it seems he still hasn’t decided whether or not he’s coming back to the NBA. Besides a another Big Man who else are the Hawks looking for?
Section 303
July 10th, 2010
8:56 pm
I am anxious to see this offense. Doubt the Summer League will really be all that telling. Probably have to wait until preseason games tip off before we have an idea how great this new “Princeton style” offense is. I like what I hear about the movement, though.
The Cleveland trade sounds good. But, I thought Shaq was a free agent? How can Cleveland trade him? Sign-and-trade? For Shaq? That does not sound right. Love the idea of getting rid of Marvin and Chills.
femhawkfan
July 10th, 2010
9:06 pm
I enjoyed reading all the updates. From what you know about Shaq and his personality, do you think he would prefer to play with Heat OR against the Heat?
Section 303
July 10th, 2010
9:06 pm
Guys,
Here are the Hawks Summer League games on NBATV. None of the games are shown live, by the way, which is good. It means they will actually start at the listed time. Hope this helps.
7/13–vs Memphis (10:00AM)
7/15–vs San Antonio (7:00AM)
7/16–vs Bucks (10:00AM)
7/18–vs D-League All Stars (7:00AM)
MsDee
July 10th, 2010
9:06 pm
Dont know if I want to get rid of Marvin just yet, esp with this new “Princeton Style” OFFence..would trage Chills for Shaq though.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 10th, 2010
9:08 pm
I agree with Ken. Woody held this team back. We should have won 60 games last year but Woody lost so many games for us with his dumb coaching.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
9:09 pm
“If we can’t resign Okafor, for whatever reason, we can easily trade him and his expiring contract for some assets.”
I don’t know if you have Okafor confused with someone else, but his contract is not expiring. It has 4 years left on it at an average of $13 million per season. For a player of Okafor’s caliber, his contract is lunacy. The ONLY reason I would trade for Okafor is if CP3 came packaged with him.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
I would really like to see Marvin in this new offense. Maybe his Duck Powers will increase.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
“Dont know if I want to get rid of Marvin just yet, esp with this new “Princeton Style” OFFence..would trage Chills for Shaq though.”
Funny you should say that. From reading what Teague said about Drew’s offense, the first thing I thought was that this is the perfect offense for Childress, who thrives on cutting to the basket and moving off the ball. Marvin has not shown the instincts to do this at nearly the level that Childress has.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
9:12 pm
Section 303, are you sure you mean AM (as in early in the morning)?
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 10th, 2010
9:13 pm
The Hawks 1st summer game will be on ESPN 3
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
9:14 pm
“From what you know about Shaq and his personality, do you think he would prefer to play with Heat OR against the Heat?”
Based on recent history, I don’t think Shaq is going to want to play with Wade. But who knows… if it weren’t for the alleged Shaq/Wade beef, going to Miami would be completely in line with Shaq’s recent career moves.
dap01
July 10th, 2010
9:18 pm
great info MC. Keep it coming.
Section 303
July 10th, 2010
9:18 pm
Najeh, yes, I mean AM. All the Hawks games are being shown the day after they are actually played. I think there are two Las Vegas Summer Leagues. NBATV must be showing the other league’s games live and the Hawks league games on tape, in the morning.
Does that make sense? Not sure my explanation is very good.
OK
July 10th, 2010
9:23 pm
Getting sick and tired of us stashing players overseas just to save money. We need to fill the Wings NOW. We probably didn’t draft US players just so we could save money. Really irritated right now.
O'Brien
July 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
I like what I am hearing from Teague and our new assistant (Connor).
Why would the Cavs get rid of Mo Williams? Isnt he their starting PG? And if I’m the Hawks, the only way I take Mo Williams, is if they are taking Bibby. No way can we pay Bibby $6 mil, Mo Williams $9 mil, and still expect Teague to get major minutes.
Based on our pentangle offense, it sounds like Chills would be a better fit. I wonder if Cleveland would want Marvin for Shaq and Moon. I guess I would be okay with Jamario Moon and Shaq for Childress though.
Assuming Gladyr goes back overseas, that means we still need a shooter. But as we have seen with guys like JJ Redick, Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, and Anthony Morrow, shooters are expensive.
WWSD?
Section 303
July 10th, 2010
9:27 pm
OK, take it easy. I think they just want those two to develope. Gadyr and Sy were not drafted to make an instant impact. Plus, who knows, maybe they show out in Summer League and make the team?
And, remember, the Hawks tried to bring David Anderson over back in the day. He just wanted way more $$ than he was actually worth. He ends up in Houston…didn’t see the Rockets in the NBA Finals because that stiff was on their team.
No need to be irritated by handling of Gadyr and Sy. Especially, since we don’t even know if they are both going overseas or not.
ryan
July 10th, 2010
9:32 pm
It sound like Shaq wants a peace of the big 3 he already done the Kobe fued now he wants Wade and Lebron.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
9:38 pm
Section 303, yeah, it makes sense, thanks.
Hoops
July 10th, 2010
9:39 pm
MC,
Great information! Thanks for the summer league scoop and the inside info on potential trades!
I like Shaq for Marvin in a S&T. I would like to S&T Chills to the Wizzards for McGee. Then sign M. Barnes and Livingston with our MLE.
That adds two bigs, a lock down perimeter defender, and a good combo guard that can back up Teague. This lets Teague grow and develop instead of putting him behind Mo Williams.
OK
July 10th, 2010
9:49 pm
Section 303,
Yeah you’re right, I just was blindsighted with rage lol. The Childress situaton along with how the David Andersen (where is that 2nd Rd draft pick?) thing went down kind of had me feeling negative about this whole overseas business.
I’m all for those guys developing, but when I see Devin Ebanks & Sherron Collins looking awesome in summerleague I can’t help but think “What if”. Especially since Miami just became a serious threat to our win total. Originally I thought at 6′7 Pape Sy was drafted to give us a real backup SF. We need real long & Athletic wings(Like Marv & Chills) to bother those guys. Mo Evans just doesn’t fit the bill. I’m all for Mo Williams trade though, I hope they take Bibby too.
Planning for the future while cultivating current success. Hopefully Rick Sunds’ patience pays off.
cp
July 10th, 2010
9:50 pm
I like what im hearing. I think its a good move to let Sy and Gladyr play at least one more year over seas then bring them over. If we can get Mo, Moon, and Shaq I think that would be a great move…….. Ken Strick, Washington wont be trading McGee… Blatche broke his foot I believe and they dont have any other bigs so I don’t see them trading young Javele. Im ready to see these summer league games.
Hoops
July 10th, 2010
9:56 pm
After checking the contracts of the Cavs roster, I would accept Shaq and Powe for Marvin. The contracts would work and that would give the Hawks the 2 bigs that they need assuming that Powe passes his physical. I would not take Mo Williams unless we sent the Cavs Bibby and Mo Evans.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
“Getting sick and tired of us stashing players overseas just to save money. We need to fill the Wings NOW. We probably didn’t draft US players just so we could save money. ”
I’m not happy with the Hawks trading pick #31 for cash instead of using it on a big man, but the key sentence in MC’s item on Gladyr and Sy is that each one has a year left on their overseas contracts. Presumably they will both be joining the Hawks next season after their contracts expire.
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
10:34 pm
One thing that worries me about Mo Williams is his lack of playing defense and he may feel since he played along with LBJ that he feels entitled. Will he share the ball and cooperate in LD’s new offense? Will he be a malcontent in the locker room and cause all kind of headaches for the coaching staff? Sounds good but I am a little skeptical of Mo Mo.
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
10:40 pm
CP3 is taking bad knees and all his talent to south beach with the 3 amigos.
Tb
July 10th, 2010
10:42 pm
If u want a big with size and strength that is athelic enough to guard Howard down in the post. Why not go after Kwame Brown? He is a big, who’s not a scorer but can play defense. Give him a shot
I MUS WRITE
July 10th, 2010
10:43 pm
Using our MLE on Matt Barnes/Livingston would be a good move. Then use Chillz 4.5 + Mo evans 2.5 to get Shaq
Cp i saw that Blatche got hurt so Mcgee is probably no longer an option. If we could trade Mo Evans for Ryan Hollins that would work for me. Minnestoa Just signed Darko and another C so he’s got to be expendable.
Teague/Livingston
JJ/Jamal/JC2
Marvin/Barnes
Smoove/Hollins
Horford/Shaq/Zaza
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
10:45 pm
TB the hawks already have 2 Kwames RandMo and Collins they don’t need another one
OK
July 10th, 2010
10:51 pm
Najeh, Yeah the #31 angred me as well. We could’ve drafted Whiteside andt traded him to Minnesota for Hollins. On Gladyr and Sy I was hoping for a buyout, for Sy in particular, but You know the ASG. They do need more experiece and PT though so I agree. I’m just anxious. As long as we’ve got top notch product on the floor next season i’m good. By top notch I mean a squad that doesn’t have guys named Mo or Bibby on it hee hee hee.
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
10:53 pm
if the hawks make the right moves they can go 10 deep with their rotation
O'Brien
July 10th, 2010
10:58 pm
I think Chills will get an offer in the MLE range ($5 -$6 mil). So I would be okay in a Chills for Shaq deal.
If we throw in Mo Evans, maybe they can throw in Moon to be our backup SF. Right now, their SGs are Anthony Parker and Delonte West (who they might wave since his contract is only partially guaranteed).
robdawg08
July 10th, 2010
11:05 pm
Shaq is too old and slow to guard Wade,Bosh,or LeBron. All Shaq will get is schooled ! Go ahead and give the Heat the title. They are a better and younger version of Pierce,Garnett,& R.Allen (Celtics).
What is J.Smith smokin’ ? Heat will sweep the Hawks easily. Three great scoring options and the Hawks still have only overpaid J.Johnson.
running@ya
July 10th, 2010
11:08 pm
# Zydrunas Ilgauskas tells Miami Herald he is considering joining Heat. http://tinyurl.com/255j44l about 3 hours ago via web
# According to source, Cavs would be targeting Marvin Williams and Josh Childress (at least). Josh Smith supposedly not available. about 4 hours ago via web
# Cavs play-by-play voice Joe Tait calls LeBron fiasco an “embarrassment to everyone involved.” http://tinyurl.com/3yeyorm about 4 hours ago via web
# Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA). about 4 hours ago via web
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
11:12 pm
Someone knows very little about b-ball.Why would shaq have to gaurd any of those guys one on one.
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
11:13 pm
The kid has been playing nba2k and live2010 too long.Put down the controllers son and learn the real game.
robdawg08
July 10th, 2010
11:15 pm
All three will drive to the basket right by or over Shaq if he is the Hawks center. Everyone guards eveyone in basketball. Double teams,triple teams,etc. You are the novice in how basketball is played.
robdawg08
July 10th, 2010
11:18 pm
Rondo (the 30 different user id blogger) get a freaking life. I come here for 10 minutes per day and read each blog and you have posted from 7:00am thru 12:00pm. Get a job.
JeJe
July 10th, 2010
11:19 pm
“I have been looking at some of my old tape. I am still studying what I need to work on”
WTF has he been doing for the last 2 months? It’s 2 months into the summer (exactly) and this guy doesn’t know what to work on? LOL
JeJe
July 10th, 2010
11:20 pm
We were looking at Petro? LOL @ Sund’s obsession with Seattle players. This GM is seriously a joke – has accomplished NOTHING in this league.
Haven’t even offered Shaq a contract? WTF has the team done the last 6 days? Joe agreed to terms a WEEK AGO. That’s SEVEN days that the ownership has done NOTHING on player movements
JeJe
July 10th, 2010
11:21 pm
Cavs targeting Marvin AND Childress?
JeJe
July 10th, 2010
11:29 pm
Duck + Chillz for Mo + Shaq? Heavy rumor on Twitter. Get on there and search this, my people. They really like the Chillz/Duck tandem
JeJe
July 10th, 2010
11:34 pm
Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA). about 5 hours ago via web
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JeJe
July 10th, 2010
11:35 pm
Get Shaq and Mo.
BUY OUT BIBBY OR TRADE HIM FOR CAP RELIEF
And then sign ANY defensive wing. Get Damien Wilkins
Hoops
July 10th, 2010
11:35 pm
Mega Trade Idea with the Cavs:
Cavs S&T Shaq, Hickson, and Mo Williams to the Hawks for Marvin Williams, Childress and Bibby. The contracts work. Then the Hawks sign M. Barnes with part of the MLE. With our depth @ SG, I figure LD will play JJ @ SF alot with Crawford @ SG.
What do you think guys???
Rondo
July 10th, 2010
11:36 pm
Great son you are a speed reader but Rondo is the only blogger name i have posted under.If you read half of this garbage you are a complete looser.I blogg for fun You blogg for life kid.
SWAT Native
July 10th, 2010
11:41 pm
I noticed in the Milwaukee series in game 6, the Hawks ran some kind of weave-style motion offense that I had not seen before. I wonder if that was a preview of what their new offense will be under LD?
David k. Reed
July 10th, 2010
11:41 pm
First of all, in my opinion the Atlanta Hawks should have drafted Chris Paul instead of Marvin Williams back in 2005. Second, we should have kept Pau Gasol, who we drafted back in 2001 but then traded to Memphis. Third, we should have never traded Damion James to New Jersey for Jordan Crawford. What is the point of even drafting a player when we are just going to trade him to another team?
I MUS WRITE
July 10th, 2010
11:47 pm
Hoops Cleveland wouldnt give up Hickson for Amare so i doubt they would take Marvin/Bibby.
I MUS WRITE
July 10th, 2010
11:49 pm
DKR- You’re stating the obvious unless u have a hot tub time machine its time to move on.
Terrell
July 10th, 2010
11:53 pm
David,
1.Hind sight is 20-20, but even in that I don’t agree about getting CP3 because we still would be missing a big in the middle. CP3 can run the floor I agree but he would’nt had done well in the system that Woodson had installed.
2. In regards to Paul Gasol, once again hindsight is 20-20. We had gotten Shareef-Adul Raheem who was a good player in his own right from Memphis.
3. We traded Damion James for Jordan Crawford for 2 reasons:
1. We wanted Crawford all along
2. Unlike the NFL or MLB each slot in the draft is allocated a certain amount of money. With Crawford being picked a little later it gave us the player we wanted for less and that allows us some flexibility in hopefully being able to sign some free agents.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:02 am
@HawkKingBibby: “MC, Sam Amica said that trade talks between the Hawks and Cavs at the Vegas summer league are heating up and he mentioned Shaq and Mo Williams for the Hawks and Clev looking at Marv and Chills.”
no truth to this. still early in the process with Shaq. it’s still not clear what kind of role he’s willing to accept.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
12:04 am
If we can S&T Childress for Shaq, we still got the MLE.
Count me in
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:04 am
@ Ree Roe: “I just saw your latest twitter entry about the Cavs bein interested in acquiring Josh Childress. Who would we look to acquire from them for Childress?”
the Hawks wouldn’t necessarily acquire anything for Childress. Cavs or any other team with cap room or exceptions can sign Childress to an offer sheet. if Hawks don’t match it, Childress is gone and Hawks get nothing.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
12:05 am
“no truth to this. still early in the process with Shaq. it’s still not clear what kind of role he’s willing to accept.”
Well then is there any truth then to our interest in Shaq? I mean, we hear that the Hawks offered Shaq the MLE, then a WEEK later we haven’t even offered a contract? WTF is going on right now?
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
12:06 am
How do the Hawks save up all this money for free agency yet AREN’T SPENDING any right now? Every hour a new solid FA like Anthony Morrow is signed. Why is this city always the exception? Why is the front office so lethargic? Why are they so intent on keeping Bibby and Marvin (keeping the core together)?
UGA
July 11th, 2010
12:07 am
I have no idea if we can get Kurt Thomas, but I know he defended the post great in the playoffs. Everytime Horford posted him, Thomas shut him down period.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:08 am
@ femhawkfan: “From what you know about Shaq and his personality, do you think he would prefer to play with Heat OR against the Heat?”
i seriously, seriously doubt Shaq would play for the Heat. he blasted the organization after he was traded there from Phoenix. talked about Riley, coaches trainers. it was pretty ugly and i know there are sill hard feelings in the Heat organization all the way up to Micky Arison. Riley was particularly peeved because he felt like he helped Shaq by sending him to a better situation with Phoenix. i think that bridge is torched for Shaq.
UGA
July 11th, 2010
12:08 am
MC:
Is there any word of us going after another wing or a PG??
Are we just going to fill the final spots with BIGS??
Mike is back
July 11th, 2010
12:11 am
I WOULD NOT TOUCH MO WILLIAMS…with a ten feet pole. He is over hype and over paid. The Cavs are going to push him off on the first sucker that will take him…Please don’t let it be us.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:13 am
@running@ya: “# Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA).”
i saw this tweet but it isn’t accurate. there is no talk of a sign-and-trade or any offer for Shaq. Hawks still trying to figure out if Shaq would be a good fit.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:14 am
@ SWAT: : “I noticed in the Milwaukee series in game 6, the Hawks ran some kind of weave-style motion offense that I had not seen before. I wonder if that was a preview of what their new offense will be under LD?”
good eye. this could be the case since there was lots of this kind of motion during the two practices i saw.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:16 am
@JeJe: “Well then is there any truth then to our interest in Shaq?”
yes, the Hawks are interested. Shaq is interested in the Hawks. each side has to figure out if it’s a good fit. if so, then things can move forward.
UGA
July 11th, 2010
12:17 am
After the way the Magic wings tourched us in the playoffs, shouldn’t we be in the hunt for another wing that can defend? Smoove cannot defend a Rashad Lewis.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:18 am
@UGA: “Is there any word of us going after another wing or a PG?? Are we just going to fill the final spots with BIGS??”
seems like they are focused only on adding a couple bigs right now. that doesn’t mean they don’t fill some other holes with the final spot (they seem inclined to carry only 13 again).
UGA
July 11th, 2010
12:20 am
I remember from past blogs:
When we waived Othella Hunter, Tolliver was on our radar.
I remember a Mo Evans for Kurt Thomas rumor last year.
We worked out Kwame and Morris 2 years ago, and Kwame went to the Pistons.
We know the story with Z.
I guess we know the thinking of Sund…
Joe's place Joe speaking
July 11th, 2010
12:20 am
MC,
So your basicly saying that there is absolutely nothing going on with the hawks on trades or free agency?? And if there is what is going on?
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
12:27 am
@ Joe’s place: “So your basicly saying that there is absolutely nothing going on with the hawks on trades or free agency?? And if there is what is going on?”
i’m saying there’s nothing imminent. i know all of my blog people are anxious but i don’t know what to tell you. the Hawks couldn’t really do anything until the league set the salary cap, tax level, mid-level, etc. those numbers just came out Thursday night, then they needed time to digest them. it’s really not been that long.
UGA
July 11th, 2010
12:34 am
Either way, thanks for the updates. We are anxious, and I understand. Please update us of impressions from Vegas. Great posts and blogs here.
MsDee
July 11th, 2010
12:36 am
Najeh,
“Dont know if I want to get rid of Marvin just yet, esp with this new “Princeton Style” OFFence..would trade Chills for Shaq though.”
Funny you should say that. From reading what Teague said about Drew’s offense, the first thing I thought was that this is the perfect offense for Childress, who thrives on cutting to the basket and moving off the ball. Marvin has not shown the instincts to do this at nearly the level that Childress has.
I agree with ya too on Chills, but I dont want anyone who doesnt want to be here, even after he has heard about Woody being gone & Larry Drew’s new OFFence, I dont hear about him reconsidering coming back to us, so he can leave if he likes..Oh and remember b4 Marvin got hurt, he was automatic in his drives to the lane and his jumpers!!
Hawks' Nest Monsta
July 11th, 2010
12:43 am
MC,
Is there any way, ANY WAY, we could possibly end up with Shaq AND Chillz? or Shaq AND s/t for chillz? These trade talks are annoying me/scaring me. Marvin is my favorite player on the hawks (as he is the only player who can guard lebron), and if we lose him, we MUST get Chillz. What do you think is most likely going to happen?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
12:46 am
By the time the Hawks decide they want Shaq, he’s going to sign with San Antonio. Hawks front office needs to learn how to make good decisions quickly. Other teams don’t seem to need weeks to deliberate whether or not signing a guy is the right move.
Rufus1
July 11th, 2010
1:24 am
Ms.Dee…Co-sign 12:36am
Marvin still has upside.
I rather sign Ridinour than trade for Mo Williams. Ridinour is a PG, a very good shooter and he would be alot cheaper.
Rufus1
July 11th, 2010
1:32 am
Hawks’ Nest Monsta
No one ever talks about Marvin’s “Duck Power” Defense against Lebron or Pierce when they talk about trading him….they only talk about the bad offensive year.
lewis
July 11th, 2010
2:13 am
marvin did play decent D against pierce and the lord of no rings
Clyde
July 11th, 2010
2:39 am
Roll Tide
clarkekent
July 11th, 2010
2:41 am
if the hawks ownership group can sale the Thrashers maybe they will have some money to get more players.
HoosierHawk
July 11th, 2010
3:19 am
Remember when Mo WIlliams guaranteed victory against the magic 2 playoffs ago down 3-2? Yeah…. they lost. Mo William’s head is even bigger than his contract. he is REALLY streaky, and will hinder the development with Teague. I’m also not so sure he will buy into the fact that every one of our starters is better than him. NO THANKS!
HoosierHawk
July 11th, 2010
3:32 am
Also, who exactly was Sund saving money for when trading the 31st pick? Or when drafting a guy who he knows will play abroad? I’m ok with Kurt Thomas or Barnes, but outside of that who is there really? This draft was full of guys who were picked in the 2nd round that I bet will end up being good. Caracter, Ebanks, Samhan, Collins, Harangody lookin good; SUND WAS HOPING FOR DANIEL ORTON w/ 31- look it up!!!! AHAHHAHHA Has anybody watched him this summer league? WORST player on the floor.
Realsquawk
July 11th, 2010
6:14 am
thanks MC
Meidzo in Decatur
July 11th, 2010
7:06 am
We will be fine…. I am excited about LD’s approach more than just the offense. I think an organized defense will make us look much better than we looked in the past. Big Baby did a great job on both Lewis and Dwight, because the Celtics had an outstanding defensive game plan. So I don’t wanna hear that Josh and Al can’t do it!
tim
July 11th, 2010
7:09 am
Shaq……..what kind of roll he’s willing to accept??? If he’s a damn employee…shut up and get to work.
Typical NBA it’s all about me.
Meidzo in Decatur
July 11th, 2010
7:38 am
Tim….Typical NBA Hater…trying to compare your shift at Kinko’s to an NBA player’s job! Shaq is a Free Agent (meaning he can sign anywhere) we have to convince him that he will win here (not that hard), that he will like it here (not that hard he has a house and several female “friend-friends” here), that he will be a big part of our team probably guarantee that he will start (this is probably the sticking point).
We probably don’t want to start Josh at 3 (he would have to lose weight) and Shaq probably doesn’t want to come off the bench!
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
8:41 am
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIKE WOODSON AND LARRY DREW
DREW – “What I told him is basically I am going to turn him loose. I want him to be himself. I don’t want him to be concerned about making mistakes and missing shots because I have all the confidence in the world in his ability. He can break the defense down, he can get into the interior of the defense. He knows how to make plays. He is just one of the guys on our team with that breakdown ability. I want to allow him to be himself and play carefree and go out and have fun. No restrictions for him.”
WOODSON – Hey Rook. I’m going to give you a couple of minutes when the game really doesn’t matter. But let me tell you this. If you make one mistake, and I mean just one , you’re out of there. I don’t care if you pass the ball to Zaza and he fumbles it, or if you pass it to Marvin and he falls down on his way to the basket for the 90th time this game. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a turnover. Now get out there and make me proud. You’ve got 3 minutes to score 15 points and dish out 10 assists. Oh yeah, and you’ve got laundry duty tonight after the game.
DREW – “I can’t really explain it. It’s kind of like a Princeton motion offense. Everybody is going to get shots, everybody is going to get touches. You can do everything out of it. You can get down-screens, pick-and-rolls. It is kind of a unique offense. It is perfect for our team. We’ve got a lot of guys who can handle the ball on our team and it gives them a chance to show what they can do. And you also get to move the ball. We didn’t get a lot of movement last year and that was something that hurt us. The offense makes it where that isolation thing is not there anymore unless you get it at the top of the key and the shot clock is winding down. Then you have some players who are really good in isolation like Joe. He’s going to add to the offense and have plays like that. But most of the time it is movement, back screens and cuts, posts for Smoove and Al and pick-and-rolls.”
WOODSON – Uh, yeah whatever. You guys know how to score enough points. Um, if we can get Al Horford to score around 12 or 13 this year, that will help. Otherwise, give the ball to Joe or Jamal, and what the f- ever. Y’all know what to do. Now quit bothering me, I have to work on my defensive concepts.
DREW – I want Josh to come off the perimeter and get down on the block, where he can get some scoring done. [On Jordan Crawford ], “I know he was a big-time scorer in college and I don’t want to take away his aggressiveness,” Drew said. “But shot selection is a big key at this level. I will allow him to be himself but I will be letting him know if I think it’s a bad shot.”
WOODSON – Yeah, uh Josh you can shoot 3s if you want. Or jumpers. Whatever. I’m busy working on my super duper defensive scheme so I don’t have time to mess with this. Y’all know how to score out there. As for the Rook, he should be passing, not shooting. So what if the other team is playing a zone? Just shoot from wherever y’all want.
DREW – [Via assistant coach Conner] – L.D. expects new lead assistant Lester Conner to help develop a defensive mentality for the Hawks. Said Conner: “They’ve won 50-plus games the last two years but when they get to the second round they kind of stumble. When you get to the second round, you’ve got to bring the toughness and energy out of guys to get to the next level. We want to pattern ourselves after the Celtics, the Orlando Magic. You’ve got to play defense. If they don’t buy into that, it’s going to be the same thing. Our job as a staff is to get them to buy into that.”
WOODSON – For the last time, I tell you this $h!t works! This is the only thing anybody needs to buy into, and it always works, on every team! It only works if you do it right, though. Now listen up. If the other team does a pick and roll, then the point guard switches to guard the power forward, then our center guards the other team’s point guard, and then the other three guys need to switch off of who they are guarding and go guard somebody else’s man. Got it? Come on, I know it looks like a pile of retards trying to play musical chairs in the middle of a fire drill, but this $h!t works!!!!
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
8:56 am
“yes, the Hawks are interested. Shaq is interested in the Hawks. each side has to figure out if it’s a good fit. if so, then things can move forward.”
HOW LONG does it take to figure out if it’s a good fit? I’m sure Shaq would jump at the opportunity to make a bit more for a slightly worse team. The Hawks NEVER take the initiative… We just react react react (except for that horrendous JJ contract which he didn’t even take less money for) and let every good FA walk away
MsDee
July 11th, 2010
8:57 am
The Ayatollah,
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
8:59 am
It’s taking the Hawks over a week to decide if the best big out there is a good fit LOL. If he’s not, then sign Brad Miller already. This franchise has no idea what taking risks means. They’re more content keeping the Two Stiffs, Duck and Bibby, than actually going to the next level
SUND WANTS TO KEEP THE CORE TOGETHER LOL
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
9:00 am
MsDee, I’m glad you appreciate it. I aim to please.
dap01
July 11th, 2010
9:02 am
How long does it take for NBA professionals to “digest” the new salary cap?
How long does it take NBA professionals to guage the interest in Shaq?
Why are other teams able to make decisions quckly and decisively?
Why do other teams ALREADY have a plan?
Last year, we kept waiting, waiting and waiting until we got only what was left.
Everyday, other NBA teams are assembling their teams while we are simply trying to find out how much more JJ gets with the new salary cap rules.
HawkKingBibby
July 11th, 2010
9:08 am
Thanks MC. At least we know whats really up now even if its not the news we want to hear. I was thinking Chills and Bibby for Shaq and Mo was a great deal for both teams. The Hawks get an upgrade at point and the big fella while the Cvas get They’re man Chills and a chance to dump Mo Williams salary because he makes more and has an extra year than Bibby. . Your truth hurts MC, lol but at least we know the deal.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
9:12 am
It takes a long time when the Seven Dwarves are involved. They are never in the same place at the same time, and conference calls are complicated. Rutherford Seydel is always drunk and singing a song about a girl he met in Cancun 10 years ago, named “Mimi” in the background, so it’s kind of disruptive. Then they flip coins to see who has to be the one to call and get Steve Belkin on the phone. Bruce Levenson always loses that one because he never catches onto Michael Gearon’s “heads I win, tails you lose” trick.
That is why Shaq has no contract offer yet.
Summer League Camp Notes | Soaring Down South | An Atlanta Hawks blog
July 11th, 2010
9:13 am
[...] Cunningham talks about the chatter around the summer league camp in his latest blog entry. When I saw the roster of the Hawks summer league team, I immediately [...]
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
9:13 am
The Ayatollah
Two appreciators.
I’m still laughin’.
Mystikal
July 11th, 2010
9:16 am
Happy to hear we are in the trenches trying to make moves. Not sure I’d want to get rid of Chillz and Marv, that would seem to just create a new problem (startin SF). I’d rather trade Chillz to Washington for Javale Mcgee and just sign shack out right. And with Bi-annual we can sign another point guard or perimeter defender. After maxxing out JJ, I thought ASG was willing to spend a little bit and this club hasn’t had legit 7 fters since Mutumbo over 12 yrs ago.
I Heart Atlanta
July 11th, 2010
9:27 am
The Ayatollah
make it three, man u funny
O'Brien
July 11th, 2010
9:30 am
Ayatollah,
Funny stuff.
MC,
What’s there to digest? We have the MLE and the BAE, right? Either we use it or we dont. Either we go close to or over the luxury tax, or we don’t.
I understand waiting on the childress situation, but does it take this long to figure out if shaq is a good fit or not?
I think the delay is because all the owners have to sign off on shaq, and they haven’t all gotten together yet.
I guess I should be used to the slowness in hawksville by now…
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
9:39 am
Thank you, thank you. I will be here all week.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
9:51 am
Grandad needs to check his email.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
9:52 am
There are 168 hours in the week. That’s the amount of time the Hawks front office has had to digest signing Shaq. An investment banker sometimes works 120 hours a week.
SIGN SHAQ
Mystikal
July 11th, 2010
9:52 am
Ayatollah,
Too funny!
Mystikal
July 11th, 2010
10:00 am
@MC,
Since he burned most his bridges, I believe Shaq’s only other option is the spurs. If they are near a deal with Tiago Splitter, than they wouldn’t need him would they? And Cavs could just sign Chillz to an offer sheet, so only reason for them to da a S&T would be to unload Mo Williams contract right?
I think if we want the services of Shaq or Brad Miller, we better sign them by next Wed or Fri; or they will be employed elsewhere. What’d you think?
drmaryb
July 11th, 2010
10:03 am
The Ayatollah
A very creative Parity! ROF.
mark
July 11th, 2010
10:04 am
the best article you written in my opinion. thanks and don’t stop now lol
NBA Free Agency Rumors 7/11 « SprungOnSports
July 11th, 2010
10:10 am
[...] signing. -Cleveland has interested in Josh Childress, Kyle Lowry, Qyntel Woods and Al Jefferson. -Atlanta hasn’t offered a contract to Shaq yet and are also interested in Brad Miller, Zydrunas [...]
Melvin
July 11th, 2010
10:18 am
Sam Amico Twitter:
According to source, Cavs would be targeting Marvin Williams and Josh Childress (at least). Josh Smith supposedly not available.
Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA).
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
10:18 am
drmaryb, Mystikal I am glad you enjoyed my sense of humor. It is not the first time you have seen it, I assure you. And it will not be the last.
STRETCH
July 11th, 2010
10:20 am
JeJe, loved that 8:59 post!
But after watching management the past 2 years its obvious they arent going to sign Shaq. They are going to do the same thing they always do…”digest the new salary cap” while at the same time hoping Shaq signs with someone else so atleast they can say they tried.
This is the same thing the Braves did last year with Johnny Damon offering him peanuts while knowing he wouldnt except. They are just throwing illusions at the fans to save face and more importantly MONEY.
If they wanted him, he would be signed already.
terrell
July 11th, 2010
10:25 am
Yes yes to Kurt Thomas. Yes to Brad Miller. Yes to Shaq. No to Illgauskas. No to Kwame.
Dr. Warren
July 11th, 2010
10:28 am
Good stuff, MC. Hope the Hawks can at least get something for Childress.
Ernest
July 11th, 2010
10:29 am
HoosierHawk @ 3:32am asks,
Also, who exactly was Sund saving money for when trading the 31st pick?
It’s been said before, from a business perspective the Hawks had an excellent draft. They are paying the player they wanted (Jordan Crawford) as a 27 pick rather than 24 using money they got from selling the 31 pick ($3 million dollars). They also drafted a foreign player that understands they need additional development however will not cost the organization anything of significance. The end result is coming out of the draft with a quality player and not having an impact on the team budget. That leaves more money to go after proven veterans to fill gaps in the team.
Getting into the finals should be the goal and you won’t do that with a pick that late in the draft.
drmaryb
July 11th, 2010
10:29 am
The Ayatollah
Well we sure need some laughs on this blog. Iþ beats crying! I am so tired of the pace of the entire
post season agenda. Just go get your man! Get him n here, so we can ALL learn their roles in the
Pentangle Offense.
Make a decision and let’s roll!
Native Son
July 11th, 2010
10:46 am
Leave Mo Williams’s arse in Cleveland, where he can continue his photography. PLEAASSSEEEE!!!!
I for one would really love to see Marvin in this offense before giving up on him.
If Josh (Childish) doesn’t want to play here, at least put his arse on the west coast.
Sure; Shaq’ could help, but at this point in his career, the only role he should be concerned with are those dinner rolls.
Bibby should now be a coach.
Mo Evans should count his blessing$$$$
Pachulia is not athletic enough for this team
So much dead weight at the end of the bench. Glad it’s not a for real bench.
RandMo at least has an opportunity.
Iso Joe could have killed them last year, if he’d just catch & shoot.
Josh’s so called no 3 pointers was laughable, considering he still shot the ball 1 foot inside the line.
Mike woodson, they had plenty good reason to quit on you.
ASG: Get a loan, or sell shares of the team to the public
Risk Sund:** DO SOMETHING!!!!!**
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
10:47 am
“That leaves more money to go after proven veterans to fill gaps in the team. ”
WHO ARE THEY GOING AFTER? IT’S TAKING THEM A WEEK TO DECIDE IF SHAQ IS A GOOD FIT. PLAYERS ARE BEING SIGNED EVERY DAY. U HAVE TO TAKE RISKS IN THIS LEAGUE LIKE BOSTON DID. U DONT WIN A TITLE HAVING THE SAME STARTING LINEUP 4 YEARS IN A ROW. NO TEAM HAS DONE THIS
Air Zaza
July 11th, 2010
10:55 am
If Atlanta idea of building up to Miami dealings is Mo Williams and Shaq, I don’t think I will be in Phillips in 2010-2011 at all.
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
11:17 am
@ Hawks’ Nest Monsta: “Is there any way, ANY WAY, we could possibly end up with Shaq AND Chillz? or Shaq AND s/t for chillz?”
sure: Chills signs the qualifying offer and Shaq signs as a free agent. the sign-and-trade option is more complicated since it requires cooperation from Chills, the Hawks and the trade partner. remember, Chills can simply sign an offer sheet with a new team that the Hawks aren’t willing to match. i’m hearing if Chills can’t get the money he wants in the NBA a return to Greece is still possible. he has until Thursday to opt out.
Hawks fan
July 11th, 2010
11:19 am
Giving Joe that kind of money was really stupid. here are four things to do to improve the hawks
Joe Johnson for Noah and Deng center and a back up foward
Marvin Williams and Josh Smith for Carmella Anthony a future star
Resign Josh Childress back up small foward and off gaurd
Trade Mike Bibby for Mike Conley a quick point gaurd
Meidzo in Decatur
July 11th, 2010
11:20 am
Don’t sleep on Bibby as a sharpshooter off the bench! His salary is not outlandish and he will probably average close to what he did last year and burn some teams up!!!
We have a lot to look forward to especially if we can get someone down low to anchor the paint!
terrell
July 11th, 2010
11:22 am
No to Mo!
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
11:23 am
@ O’Brien: “I understand waiting on the childress situation, but does it take this long to figure out if shaq is a good fit or not?”
Shaq has to make a decision, too. his agent and the Hawks talked yesterday so the process is moving forward.
“I think the delay is because all the owners have to sign off on shaq, and they haven’t all gotten together yet.”
that’s probably part of it, too. remember, using the full MLE probably pushes them into luxury tax territory so ASG would have to be consulted.
terrell
July 11th, 2010
11:24 am
Hawksfan, why in the world would Chicago trade their starting center and starting sf for Joe? Not to mention, Joe’s untradeable for a while.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
11:26 am
Why is the LT such an issue for 7 owners? Can they not muster up an extra few million dollars? Dan Gilbert and Arison throw in millions to compete. Why do we have to run on a skeleton budget? If our payroll had been a bit bigger last year we probably could’ve gone to the Finals
terrell
July 11th, 2010
11:27 am
“All the owners have to sign off on Shaq”. That’ll take about 20 freakin years. lol!
Michael Cunningham
July 11th, 2010
11:28 am
@ Mystikal: “Since he burned most his bridges, I believe Shaq’s only other option is the spurs. If they are near a deal with Tiago Splitter, than they wouldn’t need him would they? And Cavs could just sign Chillz to an offer sheet, so only reason for them to da a S&T would be to unload Mo Williams contract right?”
that’s one reason, and i can’t see why the Hawks would want to take on that deal if they can sign just Shaq with the MLE. another reason the Cavs would want a S&T is if they want to sign Chills using Bird rights. but i say again: that report about Cavs S&T is false.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
11:30 am
Is this ASG/Belkin thing ever gonna be resolved?
Is anyone ever gonna buy the Thrashers?
bird
July 11th, 2010
11:30 am
Thanks MC, you finally asked a Hawks player about the super friends! Although it wasn’t Joe that you asked, J-Smoove will do for know..lol
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
11:32 am
Would be nice if you put in your blogs that Shaq’s agent and the Hawks spoke yesterday – most ATL fans would assume that’s big news
Ernest
July 11th, 2010
11:35 am
MC, thanks both for providing the blog and being a ‘voice of reason’. While it is understandable to see trade suggestions that are not ‘win-win’ for both parties, it is strange seeing some of the posts criticizing the Hawks organization for not moving fast enough on free agents. Given the makeup and number of people in the ownership group, it can be challenging to make quick decisions. Add to that not knowing all the financial ramifications of the salary cap can slow things also.
I’ll say I’d like to see the organization pursue Shaq if there is interest on his part in being a part of this team based on how LD would like to use him. This is obviously a two way street. Team chemistry should not be sacrificed to bring someone like him in. I also believe that if we go over the cap by signing Shaq, we could make up that money with increased attendance, jersey sales, media attention, and possible further advancement in the playoffs from his presence. Again, you have to look at the business side of this too.
Reginald
July 11th, 2010
11:45 am
MC
Would it make sense for the Hawks to be interested in Mo Williams & the Cavs to be intereted in Marvin Williams? I know you said that the report is false, but I dont know if a trade like that would make sense for the Hawks especially with you stuck with Mike Bibby’s contract
Hawk n the Ham
July 11th, 2010
11:59 am
I don’t care for Mo Williams. Teague will be just fine. LD seems to have all the confidence in the world in his talent. I don’t like bibby the starter but I do like bibby the 3 point shooter off the bench.
MC, do you think LD will keep Joe at the 2 or move him to the 3? If the offense is going to be the style Teague says it is, I wouldn’t think you would need Joe as a 2 guard. That would make bibby and Marvin you’re co 6th man.
ILL-logical
July 11th, 2010
12:01 pm
MC: Thanks for the updates!
Now, a question for you. Did you play ball back in the day or is your career path strictly journalistic kismet?
clarkekent
July 11th, 2010
12:08 pm
MC.. why not move JJ to the SF and let jordan crawford start. maybe i believing the buzz.. but all my peeps are telling me this kids is the business. the Hawks got the steal of the draft… this kid is lottery talent.
and on the trade front… i dont want Mo Williams any where near this team…unless we can trade him to N.O. later for Chris Paul.
Mitch
July 11th, 2010
12:22 pm
Mo Williams always shot lights out versus the Hawks. But @ $9M per year for the next 3 years and with Teague ready to step up, a trade for Mo does not seem wise.
Shaq’s size and strength is exactly what the Hawks need in the 1/4 court to defend Dwight Howard. Plus, Shaq is still a force on the post…another area the Hawks need to improve. IMO, Shaq is a good fit here.
The 4 players I like the most, besides anchoring the center position with Shaq:
1. Josh Childress. We need an upgrade in smarts, defensive tenacity, passing, shot selection and teamwork…all of which Chillz excels in. LD’s Princeton-type motion offense requires all of the above. And, as we saw in the Orlando series, if the Hawks don’t start getting a hand in the face of perimeter shooters like Lewis and Redick, they are going to continue to struggle in big games.
2. If not Childress, then Matt Barnes or Tony Allen. See above.
3. Craig Smith…a backup PF who upgrades post scoring and rebounding.
4. Luke Ridnour…seems like the Hawks have been wanting this PG for a long time and now he’s available. Or Nate Robinson…man the Hawks are already fast, with Robinson coming off the bench they could be lightning fast…
We need chemistry
I MUS WRITE
July 11th, 2010
12:37 pm
New Day New Wants: Chillz/Marvin for Moon/Shaq
Buy out Bibby or trade him and bring in -Livingston or Ridnour.
Sign M Barnes using MLE -I would be okay with him starting,he’s gritty and plays with attitude -just ask Kobe…..
Trade Mo Evans/2011 2nd to Minnesota for Ryan Hollins, Mo is servicable at SF but at 6′4 he’s a defensive liability. Hes really a back up Sg and we are set at SG right now. Much the way Minnesota has an abundance of Centers these days. It jus makes sense.
I like the idea of Barnes /Moon at SF alot more than I like Marvin/Mo Evans. Ridnouror/ Livingston are better options for us than Bibby, I was impressed with Ridnour when we played them in the first round.
This squad could possibly get out of the 2nd round lol. Ayatolla you killn me man LOL. I wouldnt be suprised i Woody really said those things,He looked so dumb during post game interviews……. “We just werent ready to play tonight” -Folded Arms – Dumb look upon face…..
Teague/Ridnour
JJ/Jamal/JC2
Barnes/Moon
Smoove/Hollins
Horford/Shaq/Zaza
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 11th, 2010
12:45 pm
Mo Williams is garbage. Keep his ass in Cle.
cp
July 11th, 2010
12:50 pm
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Hawks drag their feet long enough that all the good free agents left sign elsewhere and we end up with some scrubs.
I see that Othello Hunter is with the Nuggets summer league team and he is looking pretty good out there. I still don’t understand why we waived him only to sign no skills Mario although Othello outplayed him during the whole summer. I hope Hunter makes the Nuggets squad…
Cant wait to see a few guys on the summer league team. I wouldn’t be shocked if one of the bigs on the team actually make the roster seeing how this franchise operates.
ADR
July 11th, 2010
12:58 pm
i am really glad that LD is giving teague a chance to show his ability- i think teague could totally transform our offense, similar to how rondo did it in boston- except teague is prob a better shooter than rondo
I MUS WRITE
July 11th, 2010
1:08 pm
I keep telling yall that our moves will be made in August when the FA pool has dried up. “Well we tried to get___” Scratch Barnes off the list San Antonio seems to be the front runners for his services.
The Knicks signed a good looking Center from Russia. 7′1 athletic guy with nice ball skills. he reminds me of a bigger Kirlenko.
I MUS WRITE
July 11th, 2010
1:09 pm
“Good looking center” “Nice ball skills” sum ones going to roast me for that LMAO O well………..
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
1:10 pm
The Hawks are probably so biased towards their core that they’re hesitant to do any trades that aren’t one-sided. Is there such a thing as being too careful? Any other team truly interested would’ve locked Shaq up by now.
If the Cavs want Childress, and the Hawks want Shaq, make the sign-and-trade happen.
Be even better if we could send them Marvin for Shaq.
I agree that Mo WIlliams may hinder Teague’s development, but the alternative is putting all our eggs in Teague’s basket. Not that I advocate trading our only 2 true small forwards, but you kina have to pick the lesser of two evils.
But I know Bibby CANNOT start next season if the Hawks are to have a chance at advancing past the 2nd round.
Mike Bibby, #45 in PER at the point guard position in the league. Not gonna cut it for a starting PG on a playoff team.
Unacceptable.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
1:13 pm
Signing Ilgauskas for the MLE or the majority would be one of the biggest tragedies this franchise could do. Ilgauskas…NO.
Get Shaq or try get Brad Miller for a little less than the MLE. WHY DOES EVERYTHING TAKE SO LONG IN THIS CITY?
NO URGENCY
TRADE MARVIN AND BIBBY ALREADY
GOD
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
1:15 pm
GIVE SHAQ THE MLE OR BRAD MILLER THE MLE OR A LITTLE LESS
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
1:17 pm
Even if the Mo/Shaq rumors aren’t true, why would we not pursue this trade?
Marvin seems like he needs a change of scenery where he is a more featured player if he wants to put forward better numbers (doesn’t seem like he cares whether he is good or not).
Mo Williams is only 27, can shoot 3’s, and has swagger, and isn’t an awful defender. LOL @ people acting like Mo is a cancer. What do you idiots think Bibby is? An Asset to this team?
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
1:24 pm
I say we let Teague develop. Mo WIlliams is an above average shooter, and can handle the rock, but his defense is not quite horrible, but below average. If he can’t guard Rondo, Jennings, or Nelson come playoff time, we’ll still have the same issue, which is a team that can score, but plays weak perimeter defense.
ART
July 11th, 2010
1:25 pm
i want tyson chandler and kirk hinrich.
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
1:26 pm
If you’ve never paid attention to Mo Williams’ defense, check out the Cavs’ fans blogs. They b*tch and moan about it almost as much as we do about Bibby and Crawford’s defense.
Willie T.
July 11th, 2010
1:35 pm
Mo Williams was brought in to be the PG Lebron help get over the hump. He has never delivered and was a playoff bust. Why would the Hawks accept him and his 9 mil per year. When there are so many other PGs available. Marvin is what he is. Dump him and its salary for Shaq! People are truly underestimating J Chillz skillz. He is an excellent slasher, rebounder, defenser and a team chemistry guy. Trade Marvin and Mo Evans for Shaq and Cleveland’s next year’s 2nd round pick. We are struck with Bibby until next year, but he loses weight. He is still a solid NBA shooter and floor general. Sign Chillz to a 3 year deal for around 16 mil and sign an off the bench SF shooter. With Shaq and ZAZA, the Hawks have enforcers and back up PFs are a dime a dozen. Finally, Chillz is exactly what the Hawks need at the 3 a ball hawk who can hit the 3 ball.
GA Hawks.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
1:40 pm
“Mo Williams was brought in to be the PG Lebron help get over the hump. He has never delivered and was a playoff bust. Why would the Hawks accept him and his 9 mil per year. When there are so many other PGs available. Marvin is what he is. Dump him and its salary for Shaq! People are truly underestimating J Chillz skillz. He is an excellent slasher, rebounder, defenser and a team chemistry guy. Trade Marvin and Mo Evans for Shaq and Cleveland’s next year’s 2nd round pick. We are struck with Bibby until next year, but he loses weight. He is still a solid NBA shooter and floor general. Sign Chillz to a 3 year deal for around 16 mil and sign an off the bench SF shooter. With Shaq and ZAZA, the Hawks have enforcers and back up PFs are a dime a dozen. Finally, Chillz is exactly what the Hawks need at the 3 a ball hawk who can hit the 3 ball.
GA Hawks.”
What PGs are readily available? I think we have one of the 3 or 4 worst starting PGs in this league.
Bibby won’t lose weight. He was supposed to lose weight last summer. Good other points though
mario
July 11th, 2010
1:51 pm
wow..this division is gonna be tough. If we sign Shaq.we got miami, orlando , the hawks, the bobcats and wizards…all these teams may make the playoffs next year if everyone stays healthy….
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
1:52 pm
Michael Cunningham
Being that it’s a critical time of year;
why is it, that the ASG is so hard to communicate with
for Sund or whomever is doing the work? Should’t there
be a more streamlined process given the nature of the
business?
Kind of peculiar to me.
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
1:54 pm
*Shouldn’t *[n]
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
1:54 pm
LMAO @Ayatollah’s post. That was hilarious and on point.
mario
July 11th, 2010
2:06 pm
hey jeje shaq is not under contract with cavs….we can pick him up as a FA
Wally Walker
July 11th, 2010
2:17 pm
Here’s the deal Hawks, trade Marvin, Bibby, and your next year’s 1st round pick for to Portloand for Andre Miller (who helps out), a back up big, and their 2nd round pick. The 1st round pick has to be sacrificed to get rid of Bibby’s contract plus a (1) pick in mid to late 1st round won’t contribite anytime soon. Portland does have a solid SF maybe this is Marvin’s time to shine. Next, you dump Mo Evans for somebody’s 2nd round pick next year. Now, the Hawks have 3 2nd round picks to sell and/or trade. Moreover, with the freed up cap space, sign Chills (3 year 15 – 18 M) and Shaq (2 year at 6 M per). Complete the roster with fill ins. Plus, you still have bi/an.
Or, Marvin, Bibby, and your 1st to GS for M. Ellis (12 mil per year)a true PG and bench help. Again, Bibby’s contract will only go away with your 1st throw in. Again, the same options, dump Mo Evans – sign Chill and Shaq and you still have your bi/an.
Both options address your main concerns: starting PG, improved at the 3, and a legit 5. You won 53 games last year; you proved you can win with your core in the regular season. However, success in the playoff is your mission NOW!
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
2:20 pm
I would like to see if Cleveland is amenable to moving
Anderson Varejao. Someone else on this board mentioned
the very same thing recently. He’s an energy Big, who
plays with intelligence & outworks his opponent.
With Cleveland in makeover mode – worth a try.
O’Brien
Didn’t you chide me for a lack of patience recently?
-Sund + ASG-
Will drive us all stark ravin’ bananas.
cdog
July 11th, 2010
2:23 pm
we all know what it takes to get the hawks to the next level.its called common sense.how come we haven’t signed anyone? plain and simple.we have rick sund.he’s the one you all should have been pushing to go instead of woodson.before its over, the hawks will be back to the same old hawks of 4 years ago. why? because sund is in charge.
cdog
July 11th, 2010
2:26 pm
jeje you are wasting your time talking about bringing in shaq and brad miller.these players are going to help the team win and cost money.rick sund is all about money instead of winning.until we get a gm who wants championships, the hawks will always come up short
terrell
July 11th, 2010
2:36 pm
My 2010-2011 Hawks
Starters:
Teague/Jamal/Joe/Josh/Al
Bench:
Bibby/Mo/Marvin/Zaza/Shaq(s&t for Chills)
Jo Crawford/Earl Watson(bi-annual)/Kurt Thomas(mid-level)
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
2:38 pm
I wouldn’t mind having Anderson Varejao on board. But, I don’t know what it would take to get him (a trade on our side, no doubt).
Hawks need to move it along. I know that the League only sent down the final numbers for the cap and things like that just two days ago. But riddle me this…did that present a problem for all the other teams that have already signed free agents, made trades, or made offers to free agents?
One more time, Hawks…move it along.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
2:40 pm
CDOG is convinced that Rick Sund is the anti-christ, I think.
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
2:46 pm
With Battier on the block;
*supposedly*
I would very much like to see us explore a way to add him,
-Bait-
Marv & or Childress, perhaps.
*[no need to detail Battier's exemplar]
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
2:51 pm
Darn ph. went dead, I think I shall check my E-mail!
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
2:58 pm
If not Shaq, Brad Miller is a decent option. He has a good head for the game and can play high/low post with Al Horford for stretches. On the downside, he doesn’t scare people out of the paint area and is but a modest rebounder.
I wonder if Randolph Morris is on Larry Drew’s list of bigs to fill out the roster? I do not know what he hopes to prove by playing in the summer league. Unless he dominates like a true NBA player would, there isn’t much to say.
Of course, now that he weighs less than Jason Collin’s lower lip, he might have some moves on him…
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
3:01 pm
The Ayatollah
Randy Morris still can’t guard anybody w/o foulin’.
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
3:07 pm
The Hawks haven’t offered Shaq a contract yet. There’s still the open question of what kind of role he’s willing to accept on his new team.
I aint backing up no sorry aisse Horford!
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
3:09 pm
cdog knows his sh!t
Co-sign Cdog
ryan
July 11th, 2010
3:11 pm
I think Hawks could making the trade Childress and Williams to clear cap space for next year to go after Mello or CP3
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
3:12 pm
Grandad, phones go dead, that’s life sometimes.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
3:14 pm
Hawks sign Shaq whatever will the ragin’ asian and his canine friend say?
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
3:14 pm
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
8:41 am
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIKE WOODSON AND LARRY DREW ?
None!
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
3:16 pm
Ayatollah = Grandad
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
3:28 pm
Thank you!
JoJo the Godfather
July 11th, 2010
3:34 pm
MC…any notes on Richard Hendrix?…I noticed you didn’t mention his name as someone who might have a shot at the roster…I lost track of him after leaving Bama…net says he’s played well in some D-League and Summer league teams, and spent some time over seas…described as a tough, intelligent, rebounding machine…6′9″ 255 lbs with huge hands and a 7′3″ wing span.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
3:37 pm
Wrong. But Shaq = Truth Serum.
Now tell me who I am, just gave you the biggest clue in the world. Still mourning Mr. Potato Head, I see. Word is that even Vinny Del Negro got a job…with the LA Clippers. Life is not looking too promising for Mr. Potato Head.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
3:38 pm
Or his long lost brother who used to coach the Cleveland Cavs. Two Mr. Potato Heads without jobs. Whatever is the world coming to.
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
3:38 pm
Hey Wyatt,
who’s this Potter fellow to which you were referring?
sincerly,
-Doc holliday-
A posteriori
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
3:44 pm
Mr. Ayatollah:
I thought he giving me a compliment.
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
3:47 pm
*Doc Holliday* [H]
sncerely,
Phillip Masters
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
3:50 pm
Well thank you kindly, Grandad. I assure you it was unintentional on his part.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
3:53 pm
Ah yes, I recognize that dialogue.
Well now Mayor, here come a pair of your fellow sophisticates right now. Gentlemen, Turkey Creek Jack Johnson and Texas Jack Vermillion. Watch yer ear there, Creek…
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
4:03 pm
“Why Ike, whatever do you mean?
Maybe poker’s just not your game Ike.
I know! Let’s have a spelling contest!”
-Doc Holliday-
I Heart Atlanta
July 11th, 2010
4:04 pm
Why not pursue Al harrington with the M.L.E. and then sign Ilgauskas for the vet min….
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
4:06 pm
WingNut
Ad absurdum, ad infinitum
terrell
July 11th, 2010
4:08 pm
Forgot Cavs GM(Chris Grant) was in Atlanta when Chills was drafted.
SteveW
July 11th, 2010
4:09 pm
Think the Hawks are waiting to hear from Childress before doing anything else but minimum deals. Why? Because if Childress decides to take the 4.8m (unlikely but possible), it pretty much precludes us from signing a couple of bigs at the vet minimum. This entire summer is hinging in a large part on Chilz right now.
SteveW
July 11th, 2010
4:10 pm
Oops – I meant to say “except sign a couple of bigs at the vet minimum” – My bad.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
4:13 pm
Hmm… New Orleans signs Luther Head to a 2-year contract. Setting up a CP3 or Collison trade maybe? Or just insurance for a CP3 injury?
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
4:16 pm
Why Charlie Ringo. You look like a ghost just walked over your grave.
My fight’s not with you, Holliday.
I beg to differ.
Uhhh, I was just foolin’ about.
I wasn’t..
Alright, Lunger..
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
4:17 pm
Insurance, Najeh. CP3 trade will be difficult to pull off, and costly no matter what.
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
4:23 pm
it must be a lonely life when grandad/ayatollah asks and answers his own questions.
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
4:32 pm
“Kate, you’re not wearing a bustle: how lewd”
-Doc Holliday-
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
4:33 pm
Grizzlies are close to signing Tony Allen apparently.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
4:37 pm
Marc Stein doesn’t think San Antonio will get Shaq. Presumably this makes the Hawks favorites by default to land him, although that’s no excuse for taking weeks to decide whether it’s the right move.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
4:45 pm
Agreed, Najeh.
Shaq (oops, I mean Truth Serum) is that all you have to say? You haven’t figured out who I am by now? I’m disappointed, considering I’m playing a bit of your game for once (I wanted to see if it’s as fun as you seem to think it is…you know, posting under a different name).
Only thing worst than that is you watching and reading each and every post we put up. Now I KNOW you’re bored, LOL.
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
4:47 pm
I wonder who played the part of the devil?
Well, I’ll be damned.
Indeed you may sir…if you’re lucky.
d.carter
July 11th, 2010
4:47 pm
Playoff basketball is about execution and the half court game… Shaq is still a mis-match for any player in the league.. I wouldnt trade marvin because he does a solid job of defending Lebron and most 3’s in the league
d.carter
July 11th, 2010
4:49 pm
Trade Chills to the Wizards for YI and Mo Evans and Bibby for Shaq
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
4:50 pm
Would you guys trade Marv for Thabeet?
Works on trade machine.
I know, I know, they signed Rudy;
So would Marv be more valuable to them?
Thabeet’s gonna always be behind Gasol.
Tit for tat. [No pun]
Curious?
-OR-
Childress = same deal [Thabeet]?
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
4:51 pm
Hmmmm. Didn’t watch much D-League, so not sure how well Thabeet stacks up. I know he’s 7′3″, a year more mature, and should be a shot-blocker any day of the week.
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
4:52 pm
Was I “the devil” or “the advocate”?
The Ayatollah
July 11th, 2010
4:53 pm
All the same, not a bad big man project if you invest in one. Don’t know if the Grizz do that trade, though.
dap01
July 11th, 2010
5:09 pm
I would love to get Thabeet. He may be slow to develop but he could be a monster one day.
I would even be willing to gamble on Kwame.
Come on Sund, address our needs.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
5:11 pm
stop waiting on Shaq. if ASG decides he is too much to pay and Brad Miller goes to, let’s say, Chicago, then WTF are they gonna do? Get 50 year old No-Legs ilgauskas who will already be in South Beach?
Ken Strickland
July 11th, 2010
5:17 pm
Some of you don’t seem to have the common sense of a billy goat. You want to blame Sund for everything that happens, doesn’t happen, or hasn’t happened, especially if it’s something or someone you want or don’t want. Common sense should have told you by now most moves have to approved by the 7 member ASG ownership group, and maybe even Belkin and/or the courts. STOP LOOKING FOR SORRY “A” EXCUSES.
No matter how many times MCUNNINGHAM, and others, try to explain that there’s more to a sign and trade than just Sund wanting it to happen, we still get the same silly blame game from the same people. And for those who have a hair up their butt over signing Shaq, and are against us trying to sign Ilgouskas, I’ve compared their stats. I’m comparing Ilgauskas’ 08/09 stats as a starter, and his 09/10 stats coming off the bench(In parenthesis).
ILGAUSKAS-MPG-27.2(20.9), PPG-12.9(7.4), RPG-7.5(5.4), BPG-1.29(.78), APG-0.43(.80).
SHAQ——MPG-23.4, PPG-12.0, RPG-6.7, BPG-1.17, APG-1.5.
We know Ilgauskas can be productive coming off the bench, but we don’t know that about Shaq. We also know he won’t be a locker room distraction, and he can certainly score in more ways than Shaq. Therefore, since they are both similarly productive, why wouldn’t you want to consider signing Ilgouskas? After all, the Cavaliers won 66gms and made it to the NBA finals recently with him as their starter, and only 61 with Shaq. And Shaq hasn’t led anyone anywhere close to the finals since winning it with Miami.
Ken Strickland
July 11th, 2010
5:22 pm
Oh, I forgot to add, Ilgouska made $925,000 last yr and Shaq made $20M. When you compare their stars and their salaries, who would be stupid enough not to consider Ilgouskas?
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
5:23 pm
If Ilgy is cheap, sign him. I’m not giving half or more of the mf’ing MLE to someone who is about as healthy as that fat guy from the Fat Camp episode of True Life
SteveW
July 11th, 2010
5:31 pm
I agree on signing Z, even for the midlevel exception (4.3m for 2 years), but he still doesn’t match up well with Howard, and that’s a primary reason for the move. Sometimes in the playoffs it’s all about matchups, and our 2 weakest areas were killed by Howard/Gortat and Jameer at PG. Hopefully Teague can take on Jameer, and maybe Shaq/ZaZa can neutralize Howard. I think we are equal to much better than the Magic with the rest of the matchups.
Big Ray
July 11th, 2010
5:46 pm
Our boys start summer league play tomorrow. Looking forward to this.
Sawyer
July 11th, 2010
5:51 pm
Ken Strickland,
Big Z made way more than $925,000 last year. That was his contract after he was bought out by Washington in the Jamison trade. Without looking it up I think his starting salary last season was in the 10 million range.
Nookah
July 11th, 2010
5:51 pm
Why are most people so eager to trade Marvin? Someone mentioned earlier how good he was defensively and we keep forgetting that offensively there were no plays run for Marvin while Woody was here.
I hope LD has plans for Marvin (and I think he did say as much) because if he runs the schemes he has hinted at and that KenS has so eloquently explained on this blog, then we could see a much different Marvin and or a much different Hawks team in the years to come. Sometimes a coach and a different philosophy can make all the difference in the world to a player and a team.
Folks, I’m not a basketball expert but common sense I do have, and it was plain to see that the scheme that Woody was running in the playoffs was not working. We struggled against Milwakee and we were no match for the Magic. Of course we all knew before, Woody was unable to make any in-game (or in-series) adjustments.
What is one of the Hawks biggest assets? Our athleticism, and that’s exactly what we did not exploit enough as a team. Let’s see what LD will do with these changes.
Good stats on Big Z, KenS. It proves once again that a lot of times perception is not necessarily reality!! Do your homework guys before we spew inaccurate and popular views!!!
Go Hawks!!!
Dan
July 11th, 2010
6:02 pm
Shaq, Kwame Brown and Shaun Livingston….getter done
doc
July 11th, 2010
6:13 pm
i hope the real shaq can figure things out better than our resident imposter if he gets here. if he is as slow as this shaq is then it is going to be a long season.
Hawks Mess
July 11th, 2010
6:14 pm
I posted this before the playoffs and want to dedicate it again to Hawks 2010-2011 joke of a season in advance.
In the words of Bubba-Sparxxx- It’s gon’ get ugly in here!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaG2Acg8n60
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
6:20 pm
There are stats to support Shaq…
2009-2010 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics – Centers
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
48 Z. Ilgauskas, CLE 64 20.9 .491 8.1 10.6 17.1 10.7 19.6 15.3 11.99 27.8 0.9
14 S. O’Neal, CLE 53 23.4 .565 10.7 14.0 22.8 9.4 24.0 17.0 17.92 135.5 4.5
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dc
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
6:20 pm
SteveW
We have to be a bit more diversified now.
We cannot just gear up to stop D.Howard.
We have a new ‘thrisis’[aka Miami Thrice]
on our hands.
Another thing:
Why don’t we load up to make folks stop us?
We already have weapons;
Let’s bring in more artllery.
Make them “Fear” us!
Them meaning, the East.
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
6:21 pm
rank refers to the NBA Centers rank in PER, VA is value added, EWA is estimated wins added
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
6:36 pm
*Editorial note:
per my 6:20 *[P.M.] post
Whether by FA signing or by trade;
it matters not.
We must bring in *PLAYERS*
Not just some guy who may or may not pan out.
He MUST have a -skill- or a -niche- [AJ's word]
that WILL help win a championship.
Myame is in a situation where they must bring in
scrubs to fill the roster.
However, we must be ever so selective, in order to
remain ahead of them. Yes, I said ahead.
That Must be our attitude.
If not we’ve already been defeated, as in years past.
As Mark Bradley said:
“our roster [top eight] is better tha Myame”(sp) & paraphrase
With mid-lev & bi-ann, we can really seperate our rosters.
Cannot do it with dirt-dobbers.
Must be Real Basketball Players!
Hawk n the Ham
July 11th, 2010
6:37 pm
Another reason to get Shaq.
If the Hawks were to sign Shaq, he would be the only player on the team that gets the benefit of fouls for being an NBA superstar. Countless times in the playoffs Joakim Noah was getting screwed over by the refs by calling fouls on him when he was guarding Shaq. We don’t have that on our team, and has become an important asset for teams making it deep into the playoffs. I know it’s silly, but as a Hawks fan, we have always been on the other end of that stick.
STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)
July 11th, 2010
7:00 pm
I agree with Hawk n the Ham
locdog59
July 11th, 2010
7:00 pm
No need to trade for Shack guys he is an unrestricted free agent.
kjb
July 11th, 2010
7:10 pm
Let’s get help down low (Shaq or Kurt Thomas), small forward (Al Harrington), & guards(Allen Iverson, Shaun Livingston, Lil Nate, or Luke Ridnour) get rid of Marvin, Bibby, Mo, & Chills & we’ll be in business!!!
Grandad
July 11th, 2010
7:23 pm
I know that the 3 villains are labor.
I understand that the labor agreement would
preclude collusion understanding said fact.
However, are they in violation of any rules
or at least ethics, given that they concocted,
then carried out this plan.
*[Bosh let it slip]-(in public)
Basketball being a business built on competition.
Plus, all sorts of side-bars, depending on each
teams respective finish every season:
*draft order being the most obvious.
Should Stern launch an investigation?
Headed by an independent representative.
I just read where this all began when they all
signed three year extensions in order to become
U-FA’s the same year.
[obviously-hatched during olympics]
I MUS WRITE
July 11th, 2010
7:29 pm
Terrel- Im almost positive ouer roster will look similar to that. Watson and Thomas are the type of talent you sign in mid August-
bigworm
July 11th, 2010
7:43 pm
Enter your comments here. I don’t understand why they’re saying the two eurpe guys are going back already what if they are lights out in summer league
kwooden1
July 11th, 2010
8:04 pm
If the HAWKS are really working a S&T with Cleveland, I would definitely take Moon over Mo Williams. Mo is listed at 6′1″ and he’s a combo guard. I’m not really impressed with Moon either, but at least he can play the SF position. I would rather have Barnes at the SF position, but if for financial reasons it makes more sense to move Marvin Williams to get Shaq I would understand if we got Moon in the process.
kwooden1
July 11th, 2010
8:11 pm
Ken I would take Shaq over Ilgauskas because Shaq plays inside and Ilgauskas plays outside. Ilgauskas got a lot of his open shots because of Lebron driving and dishing. Shaq can and will take up space in the middle, even at his advanced age. He will be a locker room and media distraction, but I think the HAWKS will be so far under the radar because of Miami that it won’t matter that much. Also, he will take more pressure off of JJ, which should help him adjust to life with the “BIG Contract”!!
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
8:25 pm
doc
July 11th, 2010
6:13 pm
Nahila
July 11th, 2010
8:25 pm
Still think Shaq can be a good player for the Hawks, a Marvin William’s and Maurice Evan’s trade for Shaq would be good (it will take that much money to sign Shaq), keep Chills as SF replacement, he brings instant energy in a fast pace floor game.Trading Bibby and Evans (expiring contract) for Shaq even a better Hawk trade for Shaq but Cavs need a small forward. Then sign Kurt Thomas and Randolph Morris to fill out the PF and C positions. Childress can share SF with Joe Johnson when Johnson swings over from SG and PG to give both J Crawford’s additional playing time. You would think that Johnson would follow the BIg 3 in Miami and offer to pony up some of his huge salary to halp the Hawks add the few quality players needed, afterall, he received the highest overall salary of all free agents and ate up any cap relief for the Hawks for many years. Maybe he will, let’s hope.
Shaq
July 11th, 2010
8:26 pm
lol
Mystikal
July 11th, 2010
8:34 pm
Does anyone know how much $$ we actually have? I believe we’d committed 65$ million to 10 players after resigning Joe, leaving us around 5$ million. And then we have 5.7 million with the mid-level exception and just above $2 million from the bi-annual exception. That sound close to acurrate?
northcyde
July 11th, 2010
8:41 pm
The reason you don’t get Big Z over Shaq, is because the whole reason Shaq was brought in, is because Big Z had no chance in even slowing down Dwight Howard. Shaq also gives you low post offense in the paint, not out on the perimeter like Z does. And Z’s shot fell off big time last year.
Big Z s a decent alternative. But if given the choice, you take Shaq for the in the paint presence that he presents on both ends of the floor.
HoosierHawk
July 11th, 2010
8:42 pm
@ Ernest You didn’t answer my question though. What proven veterans will put us over the top to become a championship team? Aside from Matt Barnes, Kurt Thomas, and maybe Shaq, I don’t really see many available guys helping us become championship caliber. And as far as late picks not helping championship caliber teams, we will wait until the season to see if Caracter and Ebanks do anything for the Lakers, but I bet they will.
northcyde
July 11th, 2010
8:48 pm
Mystikal . . . I answered your question last night. The salary cap is 58 million. The Luxury Tax line is 70 million.
Because we’re at 65 million, we’re over the Salary Cap. This means that we only have the MLE and possibly the Bi-Level exception to use.
You’re trying to add an extra 5 million, thinking that just because we’re under the Luxury Tax line, it means that we can spend 5 million more dollars. That’s not the case.
What most teams do, is try to stay under the Luxury Tax line. When you go over that line, a team has to play $1 for every $1 they’re over the Luxury Tax. So if we’re 2 million over the Luxury Tax, ownership would have to pay an extra $2 million to the league.
So forget that part where you’re saying that because we’re at 65 million, we have 5 million to spend. That is incorrect. We only have the MLE and the Bi-Level ( if we didn’t use the Bi-level last year on Joe Smith and Jason Collins ) to spend.
you can’t use the Bi-Level 2 years in a row.
Ken Strickland
July 11th, 2010
9:02 pm
We don’t have to concentrate on finding one player that can match up to DHoward. Usually, good DEF schemes and strategy is more effective. Boston used a 3 headed center combo of KPerkins, Davis and RWallace to work him over, plus a strategy to attack their pick and roll and keep JNelson out of the lane.
The Bobcats also used a 3 headed combo center of NMuhommed, TRatliff and TChandler, along with a strategy of attacking the basket to get him in foul trouble, and it certainly worked. We, on the other hand, tried to use AHorford to stop DHoward, and then JNelson, when he switched off. We did absolutely nothing to try and stop JNelson from penetrating and breaking down what little DEF we had.
Both Horford and Zaza had to be very careful not to be too aggressive against him, since they knew Woodson definitely didn’t want to play anyone else at center. With Teague, JJ, Horford, Smoove and Marvin all going after DHoward, he’ll end up in foul trouble eventually. And that’s when our superior talent and athleticism will take over.
Right now, Orlando is in a quandary over whether to resign JJ Redick, who just received a lucrative contract. They can’t seem to decide whether they want him to replace VCarter, who turned out to be a flop.
SAMUEL-remember how you were willing to concede them the title once they got Vince? You spent the entire off season praising his overall skills. Right now, Orlando is the beast of the East, but we can over take them, our at least finish a very close 2nd. Boston can’t match up with us and our fact breaking style, and neither Chicago or Miami will be able to play enough DEF to be a serious factor.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
9:25 pm
Jordan Farmar is about to sign with the Nets for a 3-year deal.
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
9:29 pm
“Meanwhile, Childress is getting further impetus to leave Greece behind in his contract option year, as the Washington Wizards, New York Knicks, New Jersey Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers have all reportedly contacted the former Atlanta Hawk to jump the puddle.”
http://basketballbuzz.ca/international/olympiacos-pursues-five-seven-nba-teams-pursuing-josh-childress/forward/2321/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+basketballbuzzca%2Ftopstories+(BasketballBuzz.ca+-+Top+Stories)&utm_content=Twitter
HawkKingBibby
July 11th, 2010
9:36 pm
ESPN is reporting the Suns will make Chills an offer sheet that the Hawks have a week to match
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
9:39 pm
Guide to the Atlanta Hawks Summer League Roster
http://buzztap.com/link.jsp?id=1837785&cid=53
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
9:40 pm
Apparently Ramon Sessions, a popular player on this blog about this time last year, is on the trading block and Minnesota is trying to dump the remaining 3 years and $12 million on his contract. Not a bad deal for a backup point guard of his caliber, but a) he can’t shoot and b) the Wolves probably won’t be taking back long term contracts in return for him if they are trying to do a salary dump.
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
9:48 pm
*Does every public mention of the need for a big guy, a “true center,” or someone “bulky” cause Zaza Pachulia pain?
northcyde
July 11th, 2010
9:50 pm
LOL @ Ric Flair . . . still wrestling. Decent match between him and Jay Lethal. LOL . . Lethal made Ric tap out by using the Figure 4 on Ric. Lethal’s imitations of Randy Macho Man Savage and Ric Flair are great.
As for summer league, John Wall is doing his thing tonight. Solid game overall from him. Cassell really trying to coach up the Wiz.
Miami vs New Orleans in about 20 minutes.
newkid
July 11th, 2010
9:55 pm
With recent signings of Warrick and Frye, Phoenix is just over $51M in salaries for the upcoming season. Looks like Suns can make an offer a little north of $6M to Chills in the 1st year of a multiyear deal without exceeding the soft cap. Your move Sund.
northcyde
July 11th, 2010
9:55 pm
LOL . . and there’s no way Washington is trading McGee. He and Wall look real good together tonight. It’ll be interesting to see if Gilbert will let him run the Wiz, while he just be the designated gunner.
ryan
July 11th, 2010
10:00 pm
Hey Cunningham if the Suns offer Chilldress a contract will the Hawks match the offer or have a sign& trade with another team like Cleveland.
i_am_soulstar
July 11th, 2010
10:04 pm
Ryan,
If the Suns make an offer and Childress signs the offer sheet, the Hawks have to match the offer or they lose Childress for nothing.
northcyde
July 11th, 2010
10:10 pm
You let Chill walk if the Suns will give him a contract in which he can make 6 mill in that first year.
Dang. Something interesting I just saw on shamsports.com
3 of our players got bonuses this year.
Marvin – $550,000
Bibby – $200,000
Smoove – $100,000
These were supposedly “performance incentives”. Seeing that both Bibby and Marvin underperformed this year, I wonder if all three of these players didn’t have some sort of “50 win bonus clause” in their contract? Either that, or a “making the playoffs or 2nd round appearance” bonus
Interesting to see which players made money and lost money
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
July 11th, 2010
10:21 pm
I’ve said all along that with an offense that involves alot of movement and cutting to the basket instantly makes us a better team, even if we kept the same roster. It allows us to to take advantage of our athleticism. Instead of Josh Smith catching the ball out by the 3 pt line and fumbling the ball trying to dribble or Marvin doing the same except trippin over himself….you can have them cutting to the hoop
OK
July 11th, 2010
10:50 pm
We simply can’t keep mike Bibby. How many comebacks have we lost at the hands of LeBron. How many times has Wade brought his team back in the regular season. These guys are good defenders and if you make a mistake they will make you pay.
We all know that when Bibby gets pressured he picks up his dribble leaving him in a terrible position. Then he compounds the probem by throwing weak over-the-top passes that get picked off. After watching John Wall tonight, the decision is clear. HE MUST GO. We need a real floor general if we’re going to have a shot at beating Miami even ONCE this regular season. I’m just being real man. If we want to win a title, we better pray that Miami goes through Orlando and Boston first for us to have a shot.
If Sund is serious about us winning a title then I want to see some good moves. Pick up Shaq get Ryan Hollins from Minnesota. Trade Mo Evans for a real SMALL FORWARD to either START or BACK UP MARVIN.
Question! Can Bibby keep up with Jordan Farmar? No? How ’bout Will Bynum? Jerret Jack? Nate Robinson? Bobby Brown? Earl Watson? C.J Watson? LUKE RIDNOUR???? NO!!!!
THEN WHY IN THE NAME OF MY HEAVENlY FATHER SHOULD HE EVEN BE ALLOWED TO COME OFF OUR BENCH????!!!! HE IS USELESS!!!! SO IS MO EVANS!!!!
OVERRATED!!! OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!
NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE BENCH….PLEASE RICK I’M BEGGIN’ YA. IF YOU WANT ME TO HAVE AN OUNCE OF RESPECT FOR YOU, YOU WILL GET RID OF THESE MONEY STEALING CLOWNS. THEY ARE NOT WORTH THEIR PAYCHEKS. WESLY MATTHEWS JUST GOT 5YRS 34MILL FROM THE BLAZERS. NOW THAT KID WAS WORTH EVERY BIT OF THAT UNLIKE MO EVANS.
Trenton
July 11th, 2010
10:54 pm
lol @ Northcyde
“LOL . . and there’s no way Washington is trading McGee. He and Wall look real good together tonight. It’ll be interesting to see if Gilbert will let him run the Wiz, while he just be the designated gunner.”
Maybe they will move him over to the SHOOTING guard position. LMAO.
OK
July 11th, 2010
11:00 pm
…Ramon Sessions Sucks and so does Al Harrington. I’m just telling the truth.
As much as Duck gets on my nerves sometimes, we simply cannot afford to move him just yet. He’s a BIG SF. Good for guys like Carmelo and LeBron not to mention he has a good FT stroke and a “clumbsy” knack for getting to the line. I really want to see how he performs in LD’s offense. I think it weill help him a lot. he needas a legit backupt though.
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
11:07 pm
LOL @ OK.
AMEN, MY BROTHER. GAWDDAMN I FEEL LIKE YOU AND I ARE THE SAME PERSON – NO HOMO. LOL
BIBBY CAN’T EVEN GUARD ILGAUASKAS OFF THE DRIBBLE AT HALF COURT
JeJe
July 11th, 2010
11:08 pm
THE THING WITH DUCK IS HE ACTUALLY CAN SCORE 17 PPG IN THIS LEAGUE BUT HE DOESN’T GET MANY SHOTS. HE HAS ATHLETICISM, EVEN THOUGH HIS 3 POINTER HAS WORSENED. THE GUY CAN SCORE POINTS IN THIS LEAGUE AND PLAY OKAY DEFENSE. BUT IF U TRADE HIM HE FINALLY COULD BURST THROUGH THIS BUBBLE (IF HE CARES LOL).
HANG ONTO DUCK IF U MUST. THE REAL MUST IS TO GET RID OF MINIME MIDGET BIBBY
KevinM
July 11th, 2010
11:10 pm
Al Harrington, all shooter, nothing else. Have you watched his game since he was a Hawk? We haven’t missed him one bit.
Chills – match that Suns offer and get a deal done with a 3rd party.
If I was out there looking for a PG, I am trying hard to go after Collison, but in saying that, I still think Teague deservers a legit shot.
And yes, for this team’s sake, move Bibby. Can Mario West possibly be a defensive presence for us?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
11:17 pm
This article says Childress already has signed an offer sheet with the Suns and is on the verge of being traded there for a 2nd round pick.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
11:21 pm
Despite the Suns being over the cap, they can take on Childress’ salary without giving up equal salary to the Hawks because they have the trade exception acquired from the Knicks in the Amare Stoudemire sign-and-trade.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
11:24 pm
Childress gets 5 years and $34 million from Phoenix.
Pretty reasonable deal, considering Travis Outlaw got more and Marvin Williams is getting more.
OK
July 11th, 2010
11:28 pm
JeJe, Amen!
KevinM, I like Mario, If we have space at the 15th spot when the dust clears then I say we keep him.
Najeh, I just glad this is over! Does this reuce our cap spendings to 60mill in commited salary now?
HawkKingBibby
July 11th, 2010
11:28 pm
Didnt it say 5 years 30 mil, thats 6 mil a year. WHY IN THE HELL WOULDNT the Hawks match that or hold out for something MUCH BETTER THAN A 2ND ROUNDER. THERE FOOLS IF THEY DO THIS.
OK
July 11th, 2010
11:29 pm
Now we can get moving RIGHT RICK! You got this handled and we’ll give Childress the buziness in the regular season. Can we please sign Shaq already?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
11:29 pm
The Hawks are paying Marvin more than the Suns will be paying Childress.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 11th, 2010
11:33 pm
I would have preferred that they kept Childress and traded Marvin for a 2nd rounder, but it is what it is. Hopefully Marvin gets a little more 3-point shooting and man to man defense and a little less African-American Studies in his life this summer.
(Disclaimer: not a racist comment, that is his college major.)
OK
July 11th, 2010
11:34 pm
Unfortunatley, To this day, Marvin STILL has more potentian/upsidde thant Childress so i’m not really complaining about the 1.5mill difference in their salaries.
Adair
July 11th, 2010
11:36 pm
Najeh, which black athlete’s college major ISN’T African-American Studies?
OK
July 11th, 2010
11:42 pm
Najeh, lol I AGREE! and I hope he’s training with ANYBODY other than Sean “Hamburger helper” May.
SWAT Native
July 11th, 2010
11:46 pm
Now we get to watch Chill blow up. I always thought he was a western conference style player, and he’s perfect for the Suns. And now, it looks like they get Hedo, too.
MannyT
July 11th, 2010
11:49 pm
So the Hawks will turn the rights to Chills into Pape Sy 2011 or 2012. I guess this is one of the impacts of Joe getting the max. Not hating, but I would think that we could get more for Chills than a 2nd round pick from a perennial playoff team.
HawkKingBibby
July 11th, 2010
11:50 pm
This is one rumor I PRAY MC comes on here and SAYS IS BULLLLSHHHHHHH…… I guess we can use the TE to get Shaq but it still hurts.
northcyde
July 11th, 2010
11:53 pm
Congrats to Chill for finally getting the type of deal he was looking for. He’ll fit in well in Phoenix.
Glad to get this all over with.
Now it’s time to get down to business. Go get ShaqLanta.
Justin
July 11th, 2010
11:54 pm
Wow, a future second round pick. We’ve shown we do absolutely nothing but waste 2nd round picks anyway. Why did the Hawks even do a sign-and-trade? The Hawks are committed to winning and loading up their roster, but the only free agent that they can make an offer to this summer not named Joe Johnson walks for 6 years/ $34 mil. That’s how much Joe will be make the last year and a half of his contract when he’s 35 years old.
I can’t help but think that if they had not overpaid for JJ, they would have had money to match the offer for Chillz. Now JJ has the biggest contract in the NBA- bigger than Wade’s or LeBron’s. And a quality restricted free agent walks for 6 years/ 30+ mil.
What a disappointment.
UGA
July 11th, 2010
11:57 pm
Barbosa is going to Toronto for Hedo as well.
there has to be something else to this, Phoenix has too many forwards………..Chill, Hill, Dudley, Turk, Frye and Warrick and Earl Clark
Justin
July 11th, 2010
11:58 pm
OK, I’m giving the Hawks the benefit of the doubt. I understand that the sign and trade gives us a 5-6 million dollar trade exception, meaning that we can use it on any free agent this summer. I know the Hawks must have something else in mind to do with that trade exception. Because if they are gonna shell out $124 mil. for JJ and say that they want to be contenders, they have to make use of that opportunity.
We’ll see.
UGA
July 12th, 2010
12:00 am
Suns will send part of Stoudemire trade exception to Atlanta to make deal work with Childress.
5-6 million exception, whatever this means
tckr83
July 12th, 2010
12:00 am
Talking with a buddy that wants the Hawks to trade JJ as of yesterday… Told him the Hawks weren’t able to do so because JJ signed a contract to play with the Hawks and not a sign-n-trade. Hawks couldn’t trade him until 3 months after he signed the contract or Dec. 15th, whichever is later, per my understanding of NBA contracts.
Anyone have a final answer on this one?
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:00 am
GIVE US DUDLEY NOW!!!!!!! PHX!!!!!
JeJe
July 12th, 2010
12:00 am
Trade Marvin for a 2nd rounder? LOL a 11 ppg career player for a 2nd rounder (Salim/Solo)??? Thank God you aren’t GM
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:04 am
“Suns will send part of Stoudemire trade exception to Atlanta to make deal work with Childress.
5-6 million exception, whatever this means”
It means that even though the Hawks are now over the cap, they can take back $6 million more in salary than they send away. Without the exception, they can only take back roughly the same amount of salary that they send away.
Jerry West
July 12th, 2010
12:05 am
In addition to the 2nd rounder, don’t the Hawks also get a trade exception?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:05 am
In other words, they could for example trade Marvin and his $7 million contract for a player getting paid $13 million.
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:06 am
Justin, There has to be something else to this, I agree.
WHERE OH WHERE IS MC????
i_am_soulstar
July 12th, 2010
12:06 am
Suns will send part of Stoudemire trade exception to Atlanta to make deal work with Childress. 27 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:06 am
“Trade Marvin for a 2nd rounder? LOL a 11 ppg career player for a 2nd rounder (Salim/Solo)??? Thank God you aren’t GM”
Our actual GM just traded an 11 ppg scorer for a 2nd rounder. My point is, if we were going to trade a 11 ppg scoring SF for a 2nd rounder, I’d rather it be Marvin than Childress.
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:07 am
Najeh, LIKE CARMELO ANTHONY!
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:07 am
SWEET BABY JESUS!
Justin
July 12th, 2010
12:07 am
Najeh,
Doesn’t it also allow the Hawks to sign a free agent straight up. His salary is excempt from the salary cap, but not the luxury cap. Is this true, or can it only be used in a trade?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:08 am
The 2nd-round pick is most likely worthless, considering this team’s recent history with 2nd rounders, but the trade exception could be valuable in the Hawks’ quest to add another big piece to this team.
i_am_soulstar
July 12th, 2010
12:08 am
That exception is very valuable for a team over the cap, or any team for that matter.
northcyde
July 12th, 2010
12:09 am
We also got a 5 to 6 million Trade Exception in the deal as well. There’s your Shaq money right there. Good move by Sund . . if he uses the TE.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:09 am
“JJ signed a contract to play with the Hawks and not a sign-n-trade. Hawks couldn’t trade him until 3 months after he signed the contract or Dec. 15th, whichever is later, per my understanding of NBA contracts. ”
This is correct.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:10 am
“We also got a 5 to 6 million Trade Exception in the deal as well. There’s your Shaq money right there. Good move by Sund . . if he uses the TE.”
If Sund elects to go this route, it would essentially be like having two mid-level exceptions, since the mid-level is also worth somewhere between 5 and 6 million.
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:10 am
GIVE THE TE TO MINNESOTA FOR RYAN HOLLINS OR GET CARMELO FOR BIBBY AND MO EVANS
Grandad
July 12th, 2010
12:11 am
Great another 2nd rounder with which we can sell
-OR-
draft a Euro & keep him over there for 8-10 years.
-We-
basically get nothing for childress [a valuable chip].
HawkKingBibby
Did I miss the part about the trade exception?
Are we to receive a T.E. as part of the transaction?
I’m not even sure I understand the whole concept of
how trade exceptions are generated to begin with?
northcyde
July 12th, 2010
12:12 am
@ Najeh . . . . yesssssir
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:13 am
“Doesn’t it also allow the Hawks to sign a free agent straight up. His salary is excempt from the salary cap, but not the luxury cap. Is this true, or can it only be used in a trade?”
By the rules it can only be used in a trade, but in practice many transactions involving trade exceptions work similar to outright signings. The LeBron and Bosh signings were “trades” even though Miami didn’t give up any players; they gave up picks and trade exceptions worth the amount of each contract. The Hawks could use their trade exception in a similar way. For example, if they want to use it on Shaq, the Cavs could sign-and-trade Shaq to the Hawks for the amount of the trade exception, and the Hawks would send the trade exception to the Cavs with maybe a 2nd round pick or something thrown in.
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:14 am
We’re back in the game Baby!
Justin
July 12th, 2010
12:14 am
If the Hawks don’t do something very productive with that trade exception, then I am ready to say that this offseason was a massive flop for the Hawks.
i_am_soulstar
July 12th, 2010
12:15 am
Najeh,
I agree, a 2nd round pick for the Hawks is probably another “Rights Held” player waiting to happen.
Melvin
July 12th, 2010
12:18 am
Najeh,
Agreed. That Trade Exception is very valuable. Especially if the Hawks want to use it to acquire another player.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:20 am
“I’m not even sure I understand the whole concept of
how trade exceptions are generated to begin with?”
A trade exception is just a chunk of cap space. Over-the-cap teams are supposed to make dollar for dollar trades, but under-the-cap teams don’t have this restriction. When a free agent from an over-the-cap team signs with an under-the-cap team, the over-the-cap team can elect to receive cap space equaling that player’s contract instead of players whose salaries match.
In this case, Amare Stoudemire went from Phoenix (an over-the-cap team) to New York (an under-the-cap team), signing a contract worth $20 million annually. New York is under the cap and has no restriction and can sign Amare outright, but if Phoenix wants to sign-and-trade him, they have to take back $20 million in annual salary because they are over the cap. Instead of taking back salary, though, Phoenix sign-and-traded him for $20 million in cap space which allows them to get around the regular cap rules; this is why it’s called a trade “exception”.
Phoenix is now using this chunk of cap space to send Leandro Barbosa (who makes $7 million annually) for Hedo Turkoglu (who makes $11 million annually). Normally they can’t do this, but they ate into $4 million of that trade exception to make this deal work; since Toronto is also over the cap, that $4 million of trade exception goes to them, for them to use in a future trade. Next, they are signing Childress for $6 million annually, which eats into a corresponding $6 million of that trade exception; since Atlanta is over the cap, that $6 million comes to Atlanta for the Hawks to use in a future trade. This means Phoenix now have a remaining $10 million of cap space with which they can get around the normal salary cap rules.
I may be off on the numbers here and there, but that’s basically how a trade exception works.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2010
12:23 am
The restriction on trade exceptions is that they expire a year after they are created; so a year after the day Amare signed his contract, the trade exception will expire. (At least that’s how I understand it; it may be a year after the trade exception is acquired for each team, which would give the Hawks and Raptors more time to use their exceptions than Phoenix.) So anything the Hawks want to do with that exception would have to be done before next year’s free agency period. Usually teams use their exceptions before that year’s trade deadline.
Mystikal
July 12th, 2010
12:24 am
Anyone have any confirmation on this deal, what’s the source?
macaroni tony
July 12th, 2010
12:27 am
i_am_soulstar what is this twitter feed saying. So we will get money for JC
Grandad
July 12th, 2010
12:29 am
Najeh
Thank you ever so much.
I’ve been over @ Larry Coon’s FAQ
& left confused. But, you saved
the day in plain English.
Thanks again!
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:31 am
1) Use the MLE to Aquire Shaq
2) Trade For Ryan Hollins using the TE
3) Use the 3mill from the #31 pick to buy out Pape Sy’s contract with the france club because we need a wing
OK
July 12th, 2010
12:32 am
Trade Mike Bibby and Mo Evans OBVIOUSLY.
Grandad
July 12th, 2010
12:36 am
Najeh
I realize I’m pretty stupid, but, let’s say we flip
the TE & the 2nd round pick acquired from PHX, for
Shaq in a S&T [hypothetically] of course.
We would then still have our Mid-level, correct???
Mystikal
July 12th, 2010
1:07 am
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slim
July 12th, 2010
3:44 pm
Sure Woodson was holding people back! He was a terrible hire from day one but what did you expect from that idiot BILLY KNIGHT who hired Woodson.Hawks loose by forty in Miami….