Atlanta Hawks: Camp chatter

Emptying the notebook . . . .

Some observations and chatter after two open practice sessions at Philips Arena:

– The Hawks haven’t offered Shaq a contract yet. There’s still the open question of what kind of role he’s willing to accept on his new team. The Hawks also are said to be looking at Brad Miller, Ilgauskas, Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown and Anthony Tolliver.

Johan Petro was a possibility before he agreed with New Jersey on a three-year, $10 million deal. That should give you an ideal that it’s still a seller’s market for centers.

L.D.’s summer plan for Teague:

“What I told him is basically I am going to turn him loose. I want him to be himself. I don’t want him to be concerned about making mistakes and missing shots because I have all the confidence in the world in his ability. He can break the defense down, he can get into the interior of the defense. He knows how to make plays. He is just one of the guys on our team with that breakdown ability. I want to allow him to be himself and play carefree and go out and have fun. No restrictions for him.”

– Teague will make his summer league debut but already seems hip to the difference between that and the real thing. “It is totally different when you play with guys who have been in the league a while. It makes the game a whole lot easier for you. But the summer league, it’s just going out there and showing what you can do. Show that you have the ability to run a team and play at this level.”

– He’s ready to be turned loose: “I think that’s the easiest way to play when you are with guys you are not familiar with. Just get up and down. Start getting stops and push it. The offense that we run, it is kind of complicated. You know guys are not going to remember it when they get in the game and start going one on one.”

– Teague on L.D.’s offense:

“I can’t really explain it. It’s kind of like a Princeton motion offense. Everybody is going to get shots, everybody is going to get touches. You can do everything out of it. You can get down-screens, pick-and-rolls. It is kind of a unique offense. It is perfect for our team. We’ve got a lot of guys who can handle the ball on our team and it gives them a chance to show what they can do. And you also get to move the ball. We didn’t get a lot of movement last year and that was something that hurt us. The offense makes it where that isolation thing is not there anymore unless you get it at the top of the key and the shot clock is winding down. Then you have some players who are really good in isolation like Joe. He’s going to add to the offense and have plays like that. But most of the time it is movement, back screens and cuts, posts for Smoove and Al and pick-and-rolls.”

Pape Sy (pronounced “Pop See”) is getting positive early reviews. It seems he really did kind of come out of nowhere–he said he didn’t work out for any other teams, though Milwaukee had some interest.

– Pape said he played both guard positions in France. So how did a 6-7 French kid become a point guard? Credit his mother Fatim, whom Pape said coaches youth players in France. “When I was young I wasn’t really tall. [But] my dad is taller than me [so] my mom knows that I would be tall. So she [taught] me how to handle the ball and after that I grew.”

– Pape is legitimately 6-7 and quick with long arms. Those are the tools for a good defender and Pape also seems to have the tenacity for it. “He’s a good defender,” L.D. said. “Ask Jeff Teague. Took [the ball] from him. [Teague] got a little lackdasical with the ball and he just took it from him. He’s a gritty defender. He’s got good size, he’s got long arms and he’s got an aggression about him. You can’t be lax around him.”

– Chances are Pape and Sergiy Gladyr are headed back to their European teams next season, Le Havre in the French first division and Bàsquet Manresa of the Spanish ACB League respectively. Both players have a year left on their contracts. The Hawks could buy out their deals but they have no plans to do so. “Now is not the right time,” said Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft. “We brought them over here to get experience. The game plan is for them to learn the system and get them some exposure to some NBA-level players.”

– Sergiy can really shoot it. “[Spain] is a perfect place for him,” Pendergraft said. “It is a good league, arguably the second-best league in the world, and he gets to play.”

– L.D. on Jordan Crawford (how’s JC2 for a nickname?): “This kid has speed, he has quickness, he can make shots. He does a great job reading the defense. I see him being a real good plus to us because the kid can score. He has that uncanny ability with scoring, whether out on the perimeter or getting to the basket. He finds ways to score. He seems to be a pretty clever basketball player. I am excited about him.”

– L.D. isn’t turning him loose like Teague, though. He wants Crawford to get used to his likely role with the Hawks, which means being a low-volume, high-efficiency scorer. “I know he was a big-time scorer in college and I don’t want to take away his aggressiveness,” Drew said. “But shot selection is a big key at this level. I will allow him to be himself but I will be letting him know if I think it’s a bad shot.”

– Here is what Kelvin Sampson, Crawford’s coach at IU, had to say on that topic when I talked to him for a Crawford story: “Sometimes talent can be a blessing and sometimes it can be something that’s tough to handle. Talented kids have a tendency to think they can do anything. The thing I tried to impress upon Jordan was shot selection. He thought they were all good shots. He would say, ‘Coach, I can make that.’ Well, that’s fine but 1 out of 10 is probably not good enough. Give me 8 out of 10 or at least 6 out of 10.”

– Crawford looked to be winded during the two practices that were open to media. That’s no surprise since L.D. put the players through some pretty intense workout sessions and it’s doubtful Crawford has gone this hard since March.

– It looks like RandMo, James Augustine, and Alade Aminu all will get a shot to make the roster. L.D. on RandMo coming out for summer league: “I thought it was a great gesture on his behalf. Some guys who have been in the league a few years, their pride won’t allow them to play in the summer league. But he sees it as an opportunity. I tip my hat to him for that. I am going to give him an opportunity to show what we can do.”

– The Hawks have been a surprisingly slow-paced team considering their stable of athletes. L.D. said he wants to change that. “I would, with that athletes we have,” he said. “We have got guys that can get up and down the floor. We have got big men that can handle the ball. We have go to rebound to do that. And if you [run] you have got to be smart, selective. You don’t want to go crazy with that.”

Smoove stopped by Philips and watched some of the practice. What’s he been working on this summer? “I have been looking at some of my old tape. I am still studying what I need to work on. Back when I was playing and then to now, it looks a whole lot different. I always have room to grow. You will always be a student of the game as long as you play. There is always room for improvement.”

– Josh is on board with the plan to add a big. “To have somebody that can be down there and be strong and dominant, somebody that is going to rebound and finish around the bucket and catch the ball. Me and Al can take care of the rest. We could use a little more help, a little more depth. I think we do extremely well with a lot of the bigs in the league. We seem to struggle with guys like Dwight and . . . just pretty much Dwight. We need somebody who can help us with that if we have to face him in the playoffs again.”

– Like Shaq, for instance? “He definitely brings that maturity and the leadership. He definitely brings that experience we need. He has won titles. He’s been there in the postseason so he knows what it takes to win and I think he would be a good guy for the locker room.”

– Smoove on the Miami SuperFriends: “Those guys have to make it work. We have a group of guys that have been together for a long time and we know what each other likes to do. From that standpoint, I think we have the upside on them.”

– L.D. expects new lead assistant Lester Conner to help develop a defensive mentality for the Hawks. Said Conner: “They’ve won 50-plus games the last two years but when they get to the second round they kind of stumble. When you get to the second round, you’ve got to bring the toughness and energy out of guys to get to the next level. We want to pattern ourselves after the Celtics, the Orlando Magic. You’ve got to play defense. If they don’t buy into that, it’s going to be the same thing. Our job as a staff is to get them to buy into that.”

– Conner will coach the summer league entry while L.D. observes.

– I’m out, blog people. Hope all of that info whets your appetite for a minute. I will check the comments later but right now a brotha needs a breather.

MC

326 comments Add your comment

clarkekent

July 11th, 2010
12:08 pm

MC.. why not move JJ to the SF and let jordan crawford start. maybe i believing the buzz.. but all my peeps are telling me this kids is the business. the Hawks got the steal of the draft… this kid is lottery talent.

and on the trade front… i dont want Mo Williams any where near this team…unless we can trade him to N.O. later for Chris Paul.

Mitch

July 11th, 2010
12:22 pm

Mo Williams always shot lights out versus the Hawks. But @ $9M per year for the next 3 years and with Teague ready to step up, a trade for Mo does not seem wise.

Shaq’s size and strength is exactly what the Hawks need in the 1/4 court to defend Dwight Howard. Plus, Shaq is still a force on the post…another area the Hawks need to improve. IMO, Shaq is a good fit here.

The 4 players I like the most, besides anchoring the center position with Shaq:

1. Josh Childress. We need an upgrade in smarts, defensive tenacity, passing, shot selection and teamwork…all of which Chillz excels in. LD’s Princeton-type motion offense requires all of the above. And, as we saw in the Orlando series, if the Hawks don’t start getting a hand in the face of perimeter shooters like Lewis and Redick, they are going to continue to struggle in big games.

2. If not Childress, then Matt Barnes or Tony Allen. See above.

3. Craig Smith…a backup PF who upgrades post scoring and rebounding.

4. Luke Ridnour…seems like the Hawks have been wanting this PG for a long time and now he’s available. Or Nate Robinson…man the Hawks are already fast, with Robinson coming off the bench they could be lightning fast…

We need chemistry

I MUS WRITE

July 11th, 2010
12:37 pm

New Day New Wants: Chillz/Marvin for Moon/Shaq

Buy out Bibby or trade him and bring in -Livingston or Ridnour.

Sign M Barnes using MLE -I would be okay with him starting,he’s gritty and plays with attitude -just ask Kobe…..

Trade Mo Evans/2011 2nd to Minnesota for Ryan Hollins, Mo is servicable at SF but at 6′4 he’s a defensive liability. Hes really a back up Sg and we are set at SG right now. Much the way Minnesota has an abundance of Centers these days. It jus makes sense.

I like the idea of Barnes /Moon at SF alot more than I like Marvin/Mo Evans. Ridnouror/ Livingston are better options for us than Bibby, I was impressed with Ridnour when we played them in the first round.

This squad could possibly get out of the 2nd round lol. Ayatolla you killn me man LOL. I wouldnt be suprised i Woody really said those things,He looked so dumb during post game interviews……. “We just werent ready to play tonight” -Folded Arms – Dumb look upon face…..

Teague/Ridnour
JJ/Jamal/JC2
Barnes/Moon
Smoove/Hollins
Horford/Shaq/Zaza

STEEL (Formerly VenomSpitter)

July 11th, 2010
12:45 pm

Mo Williams is garbage. Keep his ass in Cle.

cp

July 11th, 2010
12:50 pm

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Hawks drag their feet long enough that all the good free agents left sign elsewhere and we end up with some scrubs.

I see that Othello Hunter is with the Nuggets summer league team and he is looking pretty good out there. I still don’t understand why we waived him only to sign no skills Mario although Othello outplayed him during the whole summer. I hope Hunter makes the Nuggets squad…

Cant wait to see a few guys on the summer league team. I wouldn’t be shocked if one of the bigs on the team actually make the roster seeing how this franchise operates.

ADR

July 11th, 2010
12:58 pm

i am really glad that LD is giving teague a chance to show his ability- i think teague could totally transform our offense, similar to how rondo did it in boston- except teague is prob a better shooter than rondo

I MUS WRITE

July 11th, 2010
1:08 pm

I keep telling yall that our moves will be made in August when the FA pool has dried up. “Well we tried to get___” Scratch Barnes off the list San Antonio seems to be the front runners for his services.

The Knicks signed a good looking Center from Russia. 7′1 athletic guy with nice ball skills. he reminds me of a bigger Kirlenko.

I MUS WRITE

July 11th, 2010
1:09 pm

“Good looking center” “Nice ball skills” sum ones going to roast me for that LMAO O well………..

i_am_soulstar

July 11th, 2010
1:10 pm

The Hawks are probably so biased towards their core that they’re hesitant to do any trades that aren’t one-sided. Is there such a thing as being too careful? Any other team truly interested would’ve locked Shaq up by now.

If the Cavs want Childress, and the Hawks want Shaq, make the sign-and-trade happen.
Be even better if we could send them Marvin for Shaq.

I agree that Mo WIlliams may hinder Teague’s development, but the alternative is putting all our eggs in Teague’s basket. Not that I advocate trading our only 2 true small forwards, but you kina have to pick the lesser of two evils.

But I know Bibby CANNOT start next season if the Hawks are to have a chance at advancing past the 2nd round.

Mike Bibby, #45 in PER at the point guard position in the league. Not gonna cut it for a starting PG on a playoff team.

Unacceptable.

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
1:13 pm

Signing Ilgauskas for the MLE or the majority would be one of the biggest tragedies this franchise could do. Ilgauskas…NO.

Get Shaq or try get Brad Miller for a little less than the MLE. WHY DOES EVERYTHING TAKE SO LONG IN THIS CITY?

NO URGENCY

TRADE MARVIN AND BIBBY ALREADY

GOD

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
1:15 pm

GIVE SHAQ THE MLE OR BRAD MILLER THE MLE OR A LITTLE LESS

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
1:17 pm

Even if the Mo/Shaq rumors aren’t true, why would we not pursue this trade?

Marvin seems like he needs a change of scenery where he is a more featured player if he wants to put forward better numbers (doesn’t seem like he cares whether he is good or not).

Mo Williams is only 27, can shoot 3’s, and has swagger, and isn’t an awful defender. LOL @ people acting like Mo is a cancer. What do you idiots think Bibby is? An Asset to this team?

i_am_soulstar

July 11th, 2010
1:24 pm

I say we let Teague develop. Mo WIlliams is an above average shooter, and can handle the rock, but his defense is not quite horrible, but below average. If he can’t guard Rondo, Jennings, or Nelson come playoff time, we’ll still have the same issue, which is a team that can score, but plays weak perimeter defense.

ART

July 11th, 2010
1:25 pm

i want tyson chandler and kirk hinrich.

i_am_soulstar

July 11th, 2010
1:26 pm

If you’ve never paid attention to Mo Williams’ defense, check out the Cavs’ fans blogs. They b*tch and moan about it almost as much as we do about Bibby and Crawford’s defense.

Willie T.

July 11th, 2010
1:35 pm

Mo Williams was brought in to be the PG Lebron help get over the hump. He has never delivered and was a playoff bust. Why would the Hawks accept him and his 9 mil per year. When there are so many other PGs available. Marvin is what he is. Dump him and its salary for Shaq! People are truly underestimating J Chillz skillz. He is an excellent slasher, rebounder, defenser and a team chemistry guy. Trade Marvin and Mo Evans for Shaq and Cleveland’s next year’s 2nd round pick. We are struck with Bibby until next year, but he loses weight. He is still a solid NBA shooter and floor general. Sign Chillz to a 3 year deal for around 16 mil and sign an off the bench SF shooter. With Shaq and ZAZA, the Hawks have enforcers and back up PFs are a dime a dozen. Finally, Chillz is exactly what the Hawks need at the 3 a ball hawk who can hit the 3 ball.
GA Hawks.

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
1:40 pm

“Mo Williams was brought in to be the PG Lebron help get over the hump. He has never delivered and was a playoff bust. Why would the Hawks accept him and his 9 mil per year. When there are so many other PGs available. Marvin is what he is. Dump him and its salary for Shaq! People are truly underestimating J Chillz skillz. He is an excellent slasher, rebounder, defenser and a team chemistry guy. Trade Marvin and Mo Evans for Shaq and Cleveland’s next year’s 2nd round pick. We are struck with Bibby until next year, but he loses weight. He is still a solid NBA shooter and floor general. Sign Chillz to a 3 year deal for around 16 mil and sign an off the bench SF shooter. With Shaq and ZAZA, the Hawks have enforcers and back up PFs are a dime a dozen. Finally, Chillz is exactly what the Hawks need at the 3 a ball hawk who can hit the 3 ball.
GA Hawks.”

What PGs are readily available? I think we have one of the 3 or 4 worst starting PGs in this league.

Bibby won’t lose weight. He was supposed to lose weight last summer. Good other points though

mario

July 11th, 2010
1:51 pm

wow..this division is gonna be tough. If we sign Shaq.we got miami, orlando , the hawks, the bobcats and wizards…all these teams may make the playoffs next year if everyone stays healthy….

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
1:52 pm

Michael Cunningham

Being that it’s a critical time of year;
why is it, that the ASG is so hard to communicate with
for Sund or whomever is doing the work? Should’t there
be a more streamlined process given the nature of the
business?

Kind of peculiar to me.

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

*Shouldn’t *[n]

Najeh Davenpoop

July 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

LMAO @Ayatollah’s post. That was hilarious and on point.

mario

July 11th, 2010
2:06 pm

hey jeje shaq is not under contract with cavs….we can pick him up as a FA

Wally Walker

July 11th, 2010
2:17 pm

Here’s the deal Hawks, trade Marvin, Bibby, and your next year’s 1st round pick for to Portloand for Andre Miller (who helps out), a back up big, and their 2nd round pick. The 1st round pick has to be sacrificed to get rid of Bibby’s contract plus a (1) pick in mid to late 1st round won’t contribite anytime soon. Portland does have a solid SF maybe this is Marvin’s time to shine. Next, you dump Mo Evans for somebody’s 2nd round pick next year. Now, the Hawks have 3 2nd round picks to sell and/or trade. Moreover, with the freed up cap space, sign Chills (3 year 15 – 18 M) and Shaq (2 year at 6 M per). Complete the roster with fill ins. Plus, you still have bi/an.
Or, Marvin, Bibby, and your 1st to GS for M. Ellis (12 mil per year)a true PG and bench help. Again, Bibby’s contract will only go away with your 1st throw in. Again, the same options, dump Mo Evans – sign Chill and Shaq and you still have your bi/an.
Both options address your main concerns: starting PG, improved at the 3, and a legit 5. You won 53 games last year; you proved you can win with your core in the regular season. However, success in the playoff is your mission NOW!

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
2:20 pm

I would like to see if Cleveland is amenable to moving
Anderson Varejao. Someone else on this board mentioned
the very same thing recently. He’s an energy Big, who
plays with intelligence & outworks his opponent.
With Cleveland in makeover mode – worth a try.

O’Brien
Didn’t you chide me for a lack of patience recently?
-Sund + ASG-
Will drive us all stark ravin’ bananas.

cdog

July 11th, 2010
2:23 pm

we all know what it takes to get the hawks to the next level.its called common sense.how come we haven’t signed anyone? plain and simple.we have rick sund.he’s the one you all should have been pushing to go instead of woodson.before its over, the hawks will be back to the same old hawks of 4 years ago. why? because sund is in charge.

cdog

July 11th, 2010
2:26 pm

jeje you are wasting your time talking about bringing in shaq and brad miller.these players are going to help the team win and cost money.rick sund is all about money instead of winning.until we get a gm who wants championships, the hawks will always come up short

terrell

July 11th, 2010
2:36 pm

My 2010-2011 Hawks
Starters:
Teague/Jamal/Joe/Josh/Al
Bench:
Bibby/Mo/Marvin/Zaza/Shaq(s&t for Chills)
Jo Crawford/Earl Watson(bi-annual)/Kurt Thomas(mid-level)

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
2:38 pm

I wouldn’t mind having Anderson Varejao on board. But, I don’t know what it would take to get him (a trade on our side, no doubt).

Hawks need to move it along. I know that the League only sent down the final numbers for the cap and things like that just two days ago. But riddle me this…did that present a problem for all the other teams that have already signed free agents, made trades, or made offers to free agents?

One more time, Hawks…move it along.

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
2:40 pm

CDOG is convinced that Rick Sund is the anti-christ, I think.

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
2:46 pm

With Battier on the block;
*supposedly*
I would very much like to see us explore a way to add him,
-Bait-
Marv & or Childress, perhaps.
*[no need to detail Battier's exemplar]

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
2:51 pm

Darn ph. went dead, I think I shall check my E-mail!

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
2:58 pm

If not Shaq, Brad Miller is a decent option. He has a good head for the game and can play high/low post with Al Horford for stretches. On the downside, he doesn’t scare people out of the paint area and is but a modest rebounder.

I wonder if Randolph Morris is on Larry Drew’s list of bigs to fill out the roster? I do not know what he hopes to prove by playing in the summer league. Unless he dominates like a true NBA player would, there isn’t much to say.

Of course, now that he weighs less than Jason Collin’s lower lip, he might have some moves on him…

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
3:01 pm

The Ayatollah

Randy Morris still can’t guard anybody w/o foulin’.

Shaq

July 11th, 2010
3:07 pm

The Hawks haven’t offered Shaq a contract yet. There’s still the open question of what kind of role he’s willing to accept on his new team.

I aint backing up no sorry aisse Horford!

Shaq

July 11th, 2010
3:09 pm

cdog knows his sh!t

Co-sign Cdog

ryan

July 11th, 2010
3:11 pm

I think Hawks could making the trade Childress and Williams to clear cap space for next year to go after Mello or CP3

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
3:12 pm

Grandad, phones go dead, that’s life sometimes.

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
3:14 pm

Hawks sign Shaq whatever will the ragin’ asian and his canine friend say?

Shaq

July 11th, 2010
3:14 pm

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
8:41 am

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIKE WOODSON AND LARRY DREW ?

None!

Shaq

July 11th, 2010
3:16 pm

Ayatollah = Grandad

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
3:28 pm

JoJo the Godfather

July 11th, 2010
3:34 pm

MC…any notes on Richard Hendrix?…I noticed you didn’t mention his name as someone who might have a shot at the roster…I lost track of him after leaving Bama…net says he’s played well in some D-League and Summer league teams, and spent some time over seas…described as a tough, intelligent, rebounding machine…6′9″ 255 lbs with huge hands and a 7′3″ wing span.

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
3:37 pm

Wrong. But Shaq = Truth Serum.

Now tell me who I am, just gave you the biggest clue in the world. Still mourning Mr. Potato Head, I see. Word is that even Vinny Del Negro got a job…with the LA Clippers. Life is not looking too promising for Mr. Potato Head.

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
3:38 pm

Or his long lost brother who used to coach the Cleveland Cavs. Two Mr. Potato Heads without jobs. Whatever is the world coming to.

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
3:38 pm

Hey Wyatt,
who’s this Potter fellow to which you were referring?
sincerly,
-Doc holliday-

A posteriori

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
3:44 pm

Mr. Ayatollah:

I thought he giving me a compliment.

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
3:47 pm

*Doc Holliday* [H]

sncerely,
Phillip Masters

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
3:50 pm

Well thank you kindly, Grandad. I assure you it was unintentional on his part.

The Ayatollah

July 11th, 2010
3:53 pm

Ah yes, I recognize that dialogue.

Well now Mayor, here come a pair of your fellow sophisticates right now. Gentlemen, Turkey Creek Jack Johnson and Texas Jack Vermillion. Watch yer ear there, Creek…

Grandad

July 11th, 2010
4:03 pm

“Why Ike, whatever do you mean?
Maybe poker’s just not your game Ike.
I know! Let’s have a spelling contest!”
-Doc Holliday-