Atlanta Hawks: Camp chatter

Emptying the notebook . . . .

Some observations and chatter after two open practice sessions at Philips Arena:

– The Hawks haven’t offered Shaq a contract yet. There’s still the open question of what kind of role he’s willing to accept on his new team. The Hawks also are said to be looking at Brad Miller, Ilgauskas, Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown and Anthony Tolliver.

Johan Petro was a possibility before he agreed with New Jersey on a three-year, $10 million deal. That should give you an ideal that it’s still a seller’s market for centers.

L.D.’s summer plan for Teague:

“What I told him is basically I am going to turn him loose. I want him to be himself. I don’t want him to be concerned about making mistakes and missing shots because I have all the confidence in the world in his ability. He can break the defense down, he can get into the interior of the defense. He knows how to make plays. He is just one of the guys on our team with that breakdown ability. I want to allow him to be himself and play carefree and go out and have fun. No restrictions for him.”

– Teague will make his summer league debut but already seems hip to the difference between that and the real thing. “It is totally different when you play with guys who have been in the league a while. It makes the game a whole lot easier for you. But the summer league, it’s just going out there and showing what you can do. Show that you have the ability to run a team and play at this level.”

– He’s ready to be turned loose: “I think that’s the easiest way to play when you are with guys you are not familiar with. Just get up and down. Start getting stops and push it. The offense that we run, it is kind of complicated. You know guys are not going to remember it when they get in the game and start going one on one.”

– Teague on L.D.’s offense:

“I can’t really explain it. It’s kind of like a Princeton motion offense. Everybody is going to get shots, everybody is going to get touches. You can do everything out of it. You can get down-screens, pick-and-rolls. It is kind of a unique offense. It is perfect for our team. We’ve got a lot of guys who can handle the ball on our team and it gives them a chance to show what they can do. And you also get to move the ball. We didn’t get a lot of movement last year and that was something that hurt us. The offense makes it where that isolation thing is not there anymore unless you get it at the top of the key and the shot clock is winding down. Then you have some players who are really good in isolation like Joe. He’s going to add to the offense and have plays like that. But most of the time it is movement, back screens and cuts, posts for Smoove and Al and pick-and-rolls.”

Pape Sy (pronounced “Pop See”) is getting positive early reviews. It seems he really did kind of come out of nowhere–he said he didn’t work out for any other teams, though Milwaukee had some interest.

– Pape said he played both guard positions in France. So how did a 6-7 French kid become a point guard? Credit his mother Fatim, whom Pape said coaches youth players in France. “When I was young I wasn’t really tall. [But] my dad is taller than me [so] my mom knows that I would be tall. So she [taught] me how to handle the ball and after that I grew.”

– Pape is legitimately 6-7 and quick with long arms. Those are the tools for a good defender and Pape also seems to have the tenacity for it. “He’s a good defender,” L.D. said. “Ask Jeff Teague. Took [the ball] from him. [Teague] got a little lackdasical with the ball and he just took it from him. He’s a gritty defender. He’s got good size, he’s got long arms and he’s got an aggression about him. You can’t be lax around him.”

– Chances are Pape and Sergiy Gladyr are headed back to their European teams next season, Le Havre in the French first division and Bàsquet Manresa of the Spanish ACB League respectively. Both players have a year left on their contracts. The Hawks could buy out their deals but they have no plans to do so. “Now is not the right time,” said Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft. “We brought them over here to get experience. The game plan is for them to learn the system and get them some exposure to some NBA-level players.”

– Sergiy can really shoot it. “[Spain] is a perfect place for him,” Pendergraft said. “It is a good league, arguably the second-best league in the world, and he gets to play.”

– L.D. on Jordan Crawford (how’s JC2 for a nickname?): “This kid has speed, he has quickness, he can make shots. He does a great job reading the defense. I see him being a real good plus to us because the kid can score. He has that uncanny ability with scoring, whether out on the perimeter or getting to the basket. He finds ways to score. He seems to be a pretty clever basketball player. I am excited about him.”

– L.D. isn’t turning him loose like Teague, though. He wants Crawford to get used to his likely role with the Hawks, which means being a low-volume, high-efficiency scorer. “I know he was a big-time scorer in college and I don’t want to take away his aggressiveness,” Drew said. “But shot selection is a big key at this level. I will allow him to be himself but I will be letting him know if I think it’s a bad shot.”

– Here is what Kelvin Sampson, Crawford’s coach at IU, had to say on that topic when I talked to him for a Crawford story: “Sometimes talent can be a blessing and sometimes it can be something that’s tough to handle. Talented kids have a tendency to think they can do anything. The thing I tried to impress upon Jordan was shot selection. He thought they were all good shots. He would say, ‘Coach, I can make that.’ Well, that’s fine but 1 out of 10 is probably not good enough. Give me 8 out of 10 or at least 6 out of 10.”

– Crawford looked to be winded during the two practices that were open to media. That’s no surprise since L.D. put the players through some pretty intense workout sessions and it’s doubtful Crawford has gone this hard since March.

– It looks like RandMo, James Augustine, and Alade Aminu all will get a shot to make the roster. L.D. on RandMo coming out for summer league: “I thought it was a great gesture on his behalf. Some guys who have been in the league a few years, their pride won’t allow them to play in the summer league. But he sees it as an opportunity. I tip my hat to him for that. I am going to give him an opportunity to show what we can do.”

– The Hawks have been a surprisingly slow-paced team considering their stable of athletes. L.D. said he wants to change that. “I would, with that athletes we have,” he said. “We have got guys that can get up and down the floor. We have got big men that can handle the ball. We have go to rebound to do that. And if you [run] you have got to be smart, selective. You don’t want to go crazy with that.”

Smoove stopped by Philips and watched some of the practice. What’s he been working on this summer? “I have been looking at some of my old tape. I am still studying what I need to work on. Back when I was playing and then to now, it looks a whole lot different. I always have room to grow. You will always be a student of the game as long as you play. There is always room for improvement.”

– Josh is on board with the plan to add a big. “To have somebody that can be down there and be strong and dominant, somebody that is going to rebound and finish around the bucket and catch the ball. Me and Al can take care of the rest. We could use a little more help, a little more depth. I think we do extremely well with a lot of the bigs in the league. We seem to struggle with guys like Dwight and . . . just pretty much Dwight. We need somebody who can help us with that if we have to face him in the playoffs again.”

– Like Shaq, for instance? “He definitely brings that maturity and the leadership. He definitely brings that experience we need. He has won titles. He’s been there in the postseason so he knows what it takes to win and I think he would be a good guy for the locker room.”

– Smoove on the Miami SuperFriends: “Those guys have to make it work. We have a group of guys that have been together for a long time and we know what each other likes to do. From that standpoint, I think we have the upside on them.”

– L.D. expects new lead assistant Lester Conner to help develop a defensive mentality for the Hawks. Said Conner: “They’ve won 50-plus games the last two years but when they get to the second round they kind of stumble. When you get to the second round, you’ve got to bring the toughness and energy out of guys to get to the next level. We want to pattern ourselves after the Celtics, the Orlando Magic. You’ve got to play defense. If they don’t buy into that, it’s going to be the same thing. Our job as a staff is to get them to buy into that.”

– Conner will coach the summer league entry while L.D. observes.

– I’m out, blog people. Hope all of that info whets your appetite for a minute. I will check the comments later but right now a brotha needs a breather.

MC

326 comments Add your comment

Rondo

July 10th, 2010
10:53 pm

if the hawks make the right moves they can go 10 deep with their rotation

O'Brien

July 10th, 2010
10:58 pm

I think Chills will get an offer in the MLE range ($5 -$6 mil). So I would be okay in a Chills for Shaq deal.

If we throw in Mo Evans, maybe they can throw in Moon to be our backup SF. Right now, their SGs are Anthony Parker and Delonte West (who they might wave since his contract is only partially guaranteed).

robdawg08

July 10th, 2010
11:05 pm

Shaq is too old and slow to guard Wade,Bosh,or LeBron. All Shaq will get is schooled ! Go ahead and give the Heat the title. They are a better and younger version of Pierce,Garnett,& R.Allen (Celtics).
What is J.Smith smokin’ ? Heat will sweep the Hawks easily. Three great scoring options and the Hawks still have only overpaid J.Johnson.

running@ya

July 10th, 2010
11:08 pm

# Zydrunas Ilgauskas tells Miami Herald he is considering joining Heat. http://tinyurl.com/255j44l about 3 hours ago via web

# According to source, Cavs would be targeting Marvin Williams and Josh Childress (at least). Josh Smith supposedly not available. about 4 hours ago via web

# Cavs play-by-play voice Joe Tait calls LeBron fiasco an “embarrassment to everyone involved.” http://tinyurl.com/3yeyorm about 4 hours ago via web

# Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA). about 4 hours ago via web

Rondo

July 10th, 2010
11:12 pm

Someone knows very little about b-ball.Why would shaq have to gaurd any of those guys one on one.

Rondo

July 10th, 2010
11:13 pm

The kid has been playing nba2k and live2010 too long.Put down the controllers son and learn the real game.

robdawg08

July 10th, 2010
11:15 pm

All three will drive to the basket right by or over Shaq if he is the Hawks center. Everyone guards eveyone in basketball. Double teams,triple teams,etc. You are the novice in how basketball is played.

robdawg08

July 10th, 2010
11:18 pm

Rondo (the 30 different user id blogger) get a freaking life. I come here for 10 minutes per day and read each blog and you have posted from 7:00am thru 12:00pm. Get a job.

JeJe

July 10th, 2010
11:19 pm

“I have been looking at some of my old tape. I am still studying what I need to work on”

WTF has he been doing for the last 2 months? It’s 2 months into the summer (exactly) and this guy doesn’t know what to work on? LOL

JeJe

July 10th, 2010
11:20 pm

We were looking at Petro? LOL @ Sund’s obsession with Seattle players. This GM is seriously a joke – has accomplished NOTHING in this league.

Haven’t even offered Shaq a contract? WTF has the team done the last 6 days? Joe agreed to terms a WEEK AGO. That’s SEVEN days that the ownership has done NOTHING on player movements

JeJe

July 10th, 2010
11:21 pm

Cavs targeting Marvin AND Childress?

JeJe

July 10th, 2010
11:29 pm

Duck + Chillz for Mo + Shaq? Heavy rumor on Twitter. Get on there and search this, my people. They really like the Chillz/Duck tandem

JeJe

July 10th, 2010
11:34 pm

Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA). about 5 hours ago via web

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JeJe

July 10th, 2010
11:35 pm

Get Shaq and Mo.

BUY OUT BIBBY OR TRADE HIM FOR CAP RELIEF

And then sign ANY defensive wing. Get Damien Wilkins

Hoops

July 10th, 2010
11:35 pm

Mega Trade Idea with the Cavs:

Cavs S&T Shaq, Hickson, and Mo Williams to the Hawks for Marvin Williams, Childress and Bibby. The contracts work. Then the Hawks sign M. Barnes with part of the MLE. With our depth @ SG, I figure LD will play JJ @ SF alot with Crawford @ SG.

What do you think guys???

Rondo

July 10th, 2010
11:36 pm

Great son you are a speed reader but Rondo is the only blogger name i have posted under.If you read half of this garbage you are a complete looser.I blogg for fun You blogg for life kid.

SWAT Native

July 10th, 2010
11:41 pm

I noticed in the Milwaukee series in game 6, the Hawks ran some kind of weave-style motion offense that I had not seen before. I wonder if that was a preview of what their new offense will be under LD?

David k. Reed

July 10th, 2010
11:41 pm

First of all, in my opinion the Atlanta Hawks should have drafted Chris Paul instead of Marvin Williams back in 2005. Second, we should have kept Pau Gasol, who we drafted back in 2001 but then traded to Memphis. Third, we should have never traded Damion James to New Jersey for Jordan Crawford. What is the point of even drafting a player when we are just going to trade him to another team?

I MUS WRITE

July 10th, 2010
11:47 pm

Hoops Cleveland wouldnt give up Hickson for Amare so i doubt they would take Marvin/Bibby.

I MUS WRITE

July 10th, 2010
11:49 pm

DKR- You’re stating the obvious unless u have a hot tub time machine its time to move on.

Terrell

July 10th, 2010
11:53 pm

David,
1.Hind sight is 20-20, but even in that I don’t agree about getting CP3 because we still would be missing a big in the middle. CP3 can run the floor I agree but he would’nt had done well in the system that Woodson had installed.
2. In regards to Paul Gasol, once again hindsight is 20-20. We had gotten Shareef-Adul Raheem who was a good player in his own right from Memphis.
3. We traded Damion James for Jordan Crawford for 2 reasons:
1. We wanted Crawford all along
2. Unlike the NFL or MLB each slot in the draft is allocated a certain amount of money. With Crawford being picked a little later it gave us the player we wanted for less and that allows us some flexibility in hopefully being able to sign some free agents.

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:02 am

@HawkKingBibby: “MC, Sam Amica said that trade talks between the Hawks and Cavs at the Vegas summer league are heating up and he mentioned Shaq and Mo Williams for the Hawks and Clev looking at Marv and Chills.”

no truth to this. still early in the process with Shaq. it’s still not clear what kind of role he’s willing to accept.

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
12:04 am

If we can S&T Childress for Shaq, we still got the MLE.

Count me in

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:04 am

@ Ree Roe: “I just saw your latest twitter entry about the Cavs bein interested in acquiring Josh Childress. Who would we look to acquire from them for Childress?”

the Hawks wouldn’t necessarily acquire anything for Childress. Cavs or any other team with cap room or exceptions can sign Childress to an offer sheet. if Hawks don’t match it, Childress is gone and Hawks get nothing.

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
12:05 am

“no truth to this. still early in the process with Shaq. it’s still not clear what kind of role he’s willing to accept.”

Well then is there any truth then to our interest in Shaq? I mean, we hear that the Hawks offered Shaq the MLE, then a WEEK later we haven’t even offered a contract? WTF is going on right now?

JeJe

July 11th, 2010
12:06 am

How do the Hawks save up all this money for free agency yet AREN’T SPENDING any right now? Every hour a new solid FA like Anthony Morrow is signed. Why is this city always the exception? Why is the front office so lethargic? Why are they so intent on keeping Bibby and Marvin (keeping the core together)?

UGA

July 11th, 2010
12:07 am

I have no idea if we can get Kurt Thomas, but I know he defended the post great in the playoffs. Everytime Horford posted him, Thomas shut him down period.

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:08 am

@ femhawkfan: “From what you know about Shaq and his personality, do you think he would prefer to play with Heat OR against the Heat?”

i seriously, seriously doubt Shaq would play for the Heat. he blasted the organization after he was traded there from Phoenix. talked about Riley, coaches trainers. it was pretty ugly and i know there are sill hard feelings in the Heat organization all the way up to Micky Arison. Riley was particularly peeved because he felt like he helped Shaq by sending him to a better situation with Phoenix. i think that bridge is torched for Shaq.

UGA

July 11th, 2010
12:08 am

MC:
Is there any word of us going after another wing or a PG??

Are we just going to fill the final spots with BIGS??

Mike is back

July 11th, 2010
12:11 am

I WOULD NOT TOUCH MO WILLIAMS…with a ten feet pole. He is over hype and over paid. The Cavs are going to push him off on the first sucker that will take him…Please don’t let it be us.

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:13 am

@running@ya: “# Source in Vegas just said talks between Cavs, Hawks heating up. Hawks supposedly have sight sets on Mo Williams, Shaq (an unrestricted FA).”

i saw this tweet but it isn’t accurate. there is no talk of a sign-and-trade or any offer for Shaq. Hawks still trying to figure out if Shaq would be a good fit.

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:14 am

@ SWAT: : “I noticed in the Milwaukee series in game 6, the Hawks ran some kind of weave-style motion offense that I had not seen before. I wonder if that was a preview of what their new offense will be under LD?”

good eye. this could be the case since there was lots of this kind of motion during the two practices i saw.

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:16 am

@JeJe: “Well then is there any truth then to our interest in Shaq?”

yes, the Hawks are interested. Shaq is interested in the Hawks. each side has to figure out if it’s a good fit. if so, then things can move forward.

UGA

July 11th, 2010
12:17 am

After the way the Magic wings tourched us in the playoffs, shouldn’t we be in the hunt for another wing that can defend? Smoove cannot defend a Rashad Lewis.

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:18 am

@UGA: “Is there any word of us going after another wing or a PG?? Are we just going to fill the final spots with BIGS??”

seems like they are focused only on adding a couple bigs right now. that doesn’t mean they don’t fill some other holes with the final spot (they seem inclined to carry only 13 again).

UGA

July 11th, 2010
12:20 am

I remember from past blogs:

When we waived Othella Hunter, Tolliver was on our radar.
I remember a Mo Evans for Kurt Thomas rumor last year.
We worked out Kwame and Morris 2 years ago, and Kwame went to the Pistons.
We know the story with Z.

I guess we know the thinking of Sund…

Joe's place Joe speaking

July 11th, 2010
12:20 am

MC,

So your basicly saying that there is absolutely nothing going on with the hawks on trades or free agency?? And if there is what is going on?

Michael Cunningham

July 11th, 2010
12:27 am

@ Joe’s place: “So your basicly saying that there is absolutely nothing going on with the hawks on trades or free agency?? And if there is what is going on?”

i’m saying there’s nothing imminent. i know all of my blog people are anxious but i don’t know what to tell you. the Hawks couldn’t really do anything until the league set the salary cap, tax level, mid-level, etc. those numbers just came out Thursday night, then they needed time to digest them. it’s really not been that long.

UGA

July 11th, 2010
12:34 am

Either way, thanks for the updates. We are anxious, and I understand. Please update us of impressions from Vegas. Great posts and blogs here.

MsDee

July 11th, 2010
12:36 am

Najeh,

“Dont know if I want to get rid of Marvin just yet, esp with this new “Princeton Style” OFFence..would trade Chills for Shaq though.”

Funny you should say that. From reading what Teague said about Drew’s offense, the first thing I thought was that this is the perfect offense for Childress, who thrives on cutting to the basket and moving off the ball. Marvin has not shown the instincts to do this at nearly the level that Childress has.

I agree with ya too on Chills, but I dont want anyone who doesnt want to be here, even after he has heard about Woody being gone & Larry Drew’s new OFFence, I dont hear about him reconsidering coming back to us, so he can leave if he likes..Oh and remember b4 Marvin got hurt, he was automatic in his drives to the lane and his jumpers!!

Hawks' Nest Monsta

July 11th, 2010
12:43 am

MC,
Is there any way, ANY WAY, we could possibly end up with Shaq AND Chillz? or Shaq AND s/t for chillz? These trade talks are annoying me/scaring me. Marvin is my favorite player on the hawks (as he is the only player who can guard lebron), and if we lose him, we MUST get Chillz. What do you think is most likely going to happen?

Najeh Davenpoop

July 11th, 2010
12:46 am

By the time the Hawks decide they want Shaq, he’s going to sign with San Antonio. Hawks front office needs to learn how to make good decisions quickly. Other teams don’t seem to need weeks to deliberate whether or not signing a guy is the right move.

Rufus1

July 11th, 2010
1:24 am

Ms.Dee…Co-sign 12:36am

Marvin still has upside.

I rather sign Ridinour than trade for Mo Williams. Ridinour is a PG, a very good shooter and he would be alot cheaper.

Rufus1

July 11th, 2010
1:32 am

Hawks’ Nest Monsta

No one ever talks about Marvin’s “Duck Power” Defense against Lebron or Pierce when they talk about trading him….they only talk about the bad offensive year.

lewis

July 11th, 2010
2:13 am

marvin did play decent D against pierce and the lord of no rings

Clyde

July 11th, 2010
2:39 am

clarkekent

July 11th, 2010
2:41 am

if the hawks ownership group can sale the Thrashers maybe they will have some money to get more players.

HoosierHawk

July 11th, 2010
3:19 am

Remember when Mo WIlliams guaranteed victory against the magic 2 playoffs ago down 3-2? Yeah…. they lost. Mo William’s head is even bigger than his contract. he is REALLY streaky, and will hinder the development with Teague. I’m also not so sure he will buy into the fact that every one of our starters is better than him. NO THANKS!

HoosierHawk

July 11th, 2010
3:32 am

Also, who exactly was Sund saving money for when trading the 31st pick? Or when drafting a guy who he knows will play abroad? I’m ok with Kurt Thomas or Barnes, but outside of that who is there really? This draft was full of guys who were picked in the 2nd round that I bet will end up being good. Caracter, Ebanks, Samhan, Collins, Harangody lookin good; SUND WAS HOPING FOR DANIEL ORTON w/ 31- look it up!!!! AHAHHAHHA Has anybody watched him this summer league? WORST player on the floor.

Realsquawk

July 11th, 2010
6:14 am