Atlanta Hawks: Shaq open to joining Hawks (UPDATE: Shaq hasn’t heard from Hawks)
Shaq provides muscle but also potential headaches.
Tim Povtak of FanHouse reports that the Hawks have offered Shaquille O’Neal a two-year contact starting at the full mid-level exception. That figure is pegged to the league average salary and won’t be known until the league completes its audit this week but should come in at about $5.5 million for the first season.
I can confirm at least the Shaq half of this story: He’d be interesting in playing for the Hawks, according to a person with knowledge of his free-agent desires. But a person familiar with Atlanta’s plans said it’s doubtful the team has made such an offer this early in the free-agent process. (UPDATE: Shaq’s agent, Perry Rogers, says he hasn’t heard from the Hawks.) The Hawks are seeking a bulky center, and ASG is said to be willing to use the mid-level exception and pay some luxury tax if necessary to do so, but so far it doesn’t appear the Hawks have decided whom else to target after re-signing J.J.
Shaq, 38, just finished the least productive of his 18 seasons. He’s certainly a more physical deterrent in the post than anyone the Hawks have now, and his blocks and rebounds numbers are still pretty good. But Zaza’s production actually compares decently when adjusted for minutes and when accounting for Shaq’s much higher usage rate. And if Shaq were to play a major role for the Hawks it would mean less minutes in the lineup for Al and/or Smoove, who are more effective players.
If the Hawks are looking to make a buzz as Potvak suggests (”They also could use O’Neal’s star appeal to help create some much needed interest in the franchise,” he writes) then Shaq can still do that. But they should be careful what they wish for in that regard. The Hawks are looking to create a more serious and dedicated culture for the team with a first-year coach, and I can tell you from firsthand experience that Shaq probably isn’t going to help that effort. His approach is that of an 18-year vet with four rings and a nonchalant view of the regular season.
If Shaq came to Atlanta, it wouldn’t be long before he’s telling teammates and media that the Hawks simply need to be dominant at home and .500 on the road and everything will be OK. When L.D. says the Hawks need to play with more energy and effort every night to make it a habit, Shaq at some point would suggest the Hawks don’t really need to worry until March. When the Hawks lose games they shouldn’t and slide down the standings, Shaq would shrug and say they just need to hold onto homecourt advantage for the first round and everything will be cool. And if Shaq becomes unhappy with his playing time, then I don’t need to tell you Shaq is not going to be quiet about it.
If the Hawks signed Shaq, he would instantly become the biggest presence in the locker room, the guy with the most cred and the biggest voice. In addition to deciding if Shaq could still help them on the floor, the Hawks would have to be sure this team is ready to handle his off-court influence.
MC
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bigdave
July 7th, 2010
12:14 pm
you gotta respect Durant.
GeeMack
July 7th, 2010
12:14 pm
Ken Strickland
I like that trade. We address two areas of concern PG & Center play. However I belive NO would ask for Josh or Al in return instead of Bibby and Marvin. They would be giving up 2 of thier best 3 players.
ATL is a Baseball town
July 7th, 2010
12:26 pm
lol we could have had CP but instead we drafted Sheldon or Marvin Williams?
It was a dumb move especially since we needed a PG in that draft
Base Rater
July 7th, 2010
12:28 pm
Someone asked why the multi-named blogger hates Al Horford so much?
Easy. He’s Asian. Lots of Asian guys I know can’t stand Hispanics. Don’t know exactly why, but that prejudice definitely exists. So it’s not player hatin’, but it’s hatin’ all the same. Sad, really.
JoJo the Godfather
July 7th, 2010
12:30 pm
Ken…the only problem with that deal is that you now have $0 in expiring contracts to help give Horford his $6M+ raise next year (as well as the contracted raises to others like Joe, Paul, Josh, Teague, Jo. Crawford & Okafor)…We’d likely be forced to dump a player for cap space or let Horford walk.
cp
July 7th, 2010
12:38 pm
Yea O’Brien I think Josh Boone is a great fit. Can play pf and center, will be cheap, still very young, very active on the glass and can block shots, and probably wont mind coming off the bench. Perfect match if you ask me. I wanted the Hawks to go after him during the trade deadline. If we can get him for cheap it will probably allow the Hawks to get a sf who can challenge Marvin or at least back him up because Mo is just too small.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
July 7th, 2010
12:39 pm
Stephen A. Smith’s source whom he said “has never lied to him before”
said Wade/Bosh/Lebron to Miami about what? a week ago?
Bosh already there…..
I got a feeling…………
drmaryb
July 7th, 2010
12:40 pm
Milk shake!
My Milk Shake is better than Yers!
As expected Bosh choose Wade & South Beach OVER LeBron & Cleveland!
Looks like Noah is a Prophet now, he said, “Everybody knows there is nothing to do in Cleveland.
I mean, Do you like it?”
Unless Noah meant, Nothing & No One to do? – Sorry, LeBron’s Mom (Gloria) is OFF limits.
Just ask Delonte.
Here’s my point: LeBron’s dragging his feet may come back to haunt him IF he doesn’t join the fellas in South Beach. There is NO way Miami can sign 3 Max-Players at full strength, who will fill out the roster?
And, who will take credit and sacrifice his game amongst the Big – Three in South Beach?
LeBron will lose Luster and Accolades in that he will be conceding that he can NOT win it at the Helm!
He would have to pack the Ego away and say, I am NOT on Jordan or Kobe’s Level in many
regards. So, how bad does he want the RING? Huh, King?
Very very impactful to the Hawks – IF we don’t sign Shaq! IF LeBron returns to Cleveland,
And Shaq wants to play for a contender? That would NOT be Cleveland – but, perhaps the Hawks after all
Is said and done. At the End of the Day? I guess LeBron IS still the Lynch Pin.
SheShe
July 7th, 2010
12:48 pm
ATL HAWKS needs 3 good players (Chris Paul,Carmelo Anthony, and Brandon Jennings).
vava74
July 7th, 2010
12:53 pm
Ken Strickland,
The deal looks good, but if Paul was really available, even at the expense of taking Okafor’s bad contract, NO would find dozens of other more palatable proposals from other GMs.
One thing is to cut salary, another completely different is to give away talent and getting very little in return.
Marvin and Crawford are not good enough to make that proposal fly.
Hoops
July 7th, 2010
1:07 pm
Would the Bulls, as a last ditch effort to get LaBron, call the Hawks and offer Deng, Gibson, and Noah for JJ?
Would that S & T be enough to bring LaBron to the Bulls?
Would that S & T be good for the Hawks?
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
1:10 pm
Any trade bringing Chris Paul in the mix, is a trade worth exploring. But there is a reason New Orleans is more than willing to part with Okafor. And I think it may be because of this:
Okafor’s Defensive PER 48 Minute numbers
opponent eFG%: 58.6%
opponent iFG%: 55%
opponent PPG: 21.3
opponent PER: 22.2
While Okafor blocks 2.5 shots per 48 minutes while playing Center . . those defensive numbers would’ve made him one of the worst defensive centers in the league last year. When you look at Okafor’s past seasons, he’s never been this bad defensively, but he’s never been no more than average defensively either. He had one above average year defensively in 2006 – 07. But other than that, he’s been no more than an average center on offense and defense.
So for a trade like that, I wouldn’t expect Okafor to be an upgrade over a guy like Horford playing center. If Smoove is still here, Horford and Smoove would still be your starters, with the extremely overpaid Okafor coming off the bench.
Melvin
July 7th, 2010
1:10 pm
Astro,
Looks like I’m not the only person who’s not impress with Daniel Orton. From Hoopsworld:
“Daniel Orton – When you’re a first round pick, everyone expects you to be nervous or get off to a slow start. They know your game is going to be raw, especially when you’ve been labeled as a project that still needs a lot of development. But there is no excuse for Daniel Orton’s lack of production in the first two games.
Many have made the leap from believing he’s raw to saying he doesn’t belong on the court. Players and media alike have said that he’s one of the worst players and he just doesn’t seem to get it out there. After the worst possible debut on Tuesday, Orton came back on Tuesday to post 2 points on 0-6 shooting, 2 rebounds, and one block.”
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
1:12 pm
It’s amazing how just by the numbers, Shaq is STILL the better center than just about everyone that has been named. That shows you how dominant of a player Shaq was in his prime. He’s maybe 50% of what he used to be, yet, he’s still better than 75% of the centers in this league.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 7th, 2010
1:16 pm
“ESPN is reporting Bosh is going to Miami with Wade.
Where would this put the Hawks in the Eastern pecking order if Lebron goes back to the Cavs?”
If it’s only Wade and Bosh in Miami, I’m honestly not that worried for next year. Sure, down the road they may add other good players, but you gotta remember that their roster is currently completely gutted. They will have Wade, Bosh, Beasley, and 12 minimum salary players on that team. I don’t see them passing the Hawks in the standings unless they also get LeBron, and if that happens, the Cavs will slip so it will even out.
To be real, I am more worried about another team nobody is mentioning at all this summer — the Milwaukee Bucks. If Bogut stays healthy all year, I could very easily see that team passing the Hawks in the standings.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Hawks finish 5th, behind Cleveland (with LeBron), Orlando, Milwaukee, and the Atlantic Division winner (who would finish ahead of the Hawks in this scenario regardless of their record).
One thing is for sure — with an improving Charlotte team and depending on how good John Wall turns out to be, the Southeast Division is going to be LOADED next year. I could easily see all five of those teams beating up on each other all year and keeping each other from flying too high in the standings
Samuel
July 7th, 2010
1:18 pm
WOW. Cuz>MC
JoJo the Godfather
July 7th, 2010
1:20 pm
northcyde…can you post the league leaders in defensive PER at the center position?…by the numbers, who are the best defensive centers in the league?
Najeh Davenpoop
July 7th, 2010
1:22 pm
“Any trade bringing Chris Paul in the mix, is a trade worth exploring. But there is a reason New Orleans is more than willing to part with Okafor. ”
I don’t think any team will get Paul without agreeing to take on Okafor’s contract. That’s the price any team is going to have to pay. Whether or not Okafor’s defensive numbers paint a pretty picture, he does deserve the benefit of the doubt because he has been plagued with nagging injuries in the last couple of years. It is reasonable to expect that as a backup his defensive numbers would improve and he wouldn’t get injured as often playing fewer minutes.
O'Brien
July 7th, 2010
1:23 pm
cp,
I also suggested Chris Douglas-Roberts at the deadline (Milwaukee just got him for a future 2nd round pick). He is a small forward who has been up and down, and he may or may not have issues with NJ. I think he could have been a decent backup SF, but if he didnt work out, it wouldnt have cost us much.
Ken,
N.O. could have better offers for CP3. Rumor has it that Orlando was offering Vince Carter and/or Jameer Nelson, Nets were allegedly offering Devin Harris, the #3 pick (before the draft), and another piece. Portland also allegedly made a decent offer.
Najeh,
If I’m Miami, I pass on LeBron, and use the money to sign some solid role players. Because if they have LbJ, Wade, and Bosh, 10 minimum salary guys will not be enough to win a championship unless they play them 48 mpg.
If I’m Chicago, I also pass on LeBron. They’re already overpaying for Deng, so they should use their money and get 2 solid role players (like Boozer and Kyle Korver).
Najeh Davenpoop
July 7th, 2010
1:26 pm
“Would the Bulls, as a last ditch effort to get LaBron, call the Hawks and offer Deng, Gibson, and Noah for JJ?
Would that S & T be enough to bring LaBron to the Bulls?”
If Joe signs a contract with the Hawks, he cannot then be sign-and-traded. Sign-and-trades are one simultaneous transaction and are distinct from signings; you can’t sign a guy and then decide to trade him a couple of weeks later. If Joe signs the Hawks’ contract tomorrow (the first day players can sign) he is a Hawk until at least December 15th, even if the Hawks immediately regret their decision Anchorman-style.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 7th, 2010
1:30 pm
“N.O. could have better offers for CP3. Rumor has it that Orlando was offering Vince Carter and/or Jameer Nelson, Nets were allegedly offering Devin Harris, the #3 pick (before the draft), and another piece. Portland also allegedly made a decent offer.”
New Orleans cares more about shedding salary than they do about winning in the short term if they trade CP3. This is why they rejected those trades — no way they will part with their MVP candidate only to take on other pricey veterans. Any trade of CP3 will be packaged with Okafor and bring plenty of expiring contracts and draft picks in return to the Hornets. The Hawks right now don’t have the expiring contracts to make a CP3 trade work.
Grandad
July 7th, 2010
1:33 pm
Cleveland’s presentation to LBJ:
http://tinyurl.com/397plgr
Najeh Davenpoop
July 7th, 2010
1:34 pm
If I’m a team that has cap space, the only way I pass on LeBron is if I’m getting Wade. Wade is the one player in this free agent group who has the ability to elevate a team to the same level as LeBron. Everyone else, including Amare, Bosh, Joe, and the others, is several steps below. No way I pass on LeBron if I’m the Bulls, but if I’m running the Heat and I already have Wade and Bosh signed, then moving on to role players makes sense.
Grandad
July 7th, 2010
1:36 pm
Najeh:
I think it’s too late for a S&T for Joe. [Chicago]
If I’m correct it must be done simultaneously.
Hoops
July 7th, 2010
2:06 pm
Najeh Davenpoop,
If Joe signs a contract with the Hawks, he cannot then be sign-and-traded. Sign-and-trades are one simultaneous transaction and are distinct from signings; you can’t sign a guy and then decide to trade him a couple of weeks later. If Joe signs the Hawks’ contract tomorrow (the first day players can sign) he is a Hawk until at least December 15th, even if the Hawks immediately regret their decision Anchorman-style
I know that! JJ has not signed yet! My thought was is the Bulls calling the Hawks today and proposing a S & T before the Hawks sign JJ on Thursday?
terrell
July 7th, 2010
2:17 pm
Lebron to Atlanta in a mega sign-and-trade deal.
Cleveland gets: Jamal(expiring), Marvin, Mo Evans(expiring), and 2 1st rdrs
Atlanta gets Lebron
Teague/JJ/Lebron/Josh/Horford
Earl Watson(FA)/Jo Crawford/Chills/Zaza/Kurt Thomas(FA)
Bibby/Morris
I can dream cant I? lol!
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
2:24 pm
JoJo the Godfather
July 7th, 2010
1:20 pm
northcyde…can you post the league leaders in defensive PER at the center position?…by the numbers, who are the best defensive centers in the league?
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JoJo . . . I don’t know if there’s a site that lists that, so I’ll have to manually go through each team via 82games.com. I’ll go through each team, and look at guys who played center. Give me about 30 minutes to do that.
Boyd E
July 7th, 2010
2:28 pm
Give him the NBA minimum and an unlimited supply of country biscuits, and he would probably sign.
Dept of mental health
July 7th, 2010
2:43 pm
I wonder if Knowledge Quest (he of the many names, TS foremost among them) has been paying attention to what Northcyde has been posting lately? Naw, because stats and facts that destroy so much of what he hides behind is very inconvenient, so he is going to stay quiet for now. Playa hata for life, that one is.
terrell
July 7th, 2010
2:57 pm
Why not call up Cleveland and entertain some offers for Lebron? If he wants to leave, they’ll want talent in return.
How bout this?
Cleveland gets Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, and Jamal Crawford(expiring)
Atlanta gets Lebron
Teague/JJ/Lebron/Horford/Prizbilla(FA)
Bibby/Jo Crawford/Chills/Zaza/Johan Petro(min)
Evans/Morris
Najeh Davenpoop
July 7th, 2010
3:02 pm
It’s too late in the process to make a realistic play for any of the marquee free agents. LeBron has heard his sales pitches and is now choosing between them. He is announcing his decision tomorrow night, and it’s not like the DASG can put together a nice presentation for him and convince him to abandon all the other possibilities he has before then. If they really wanted him (or any other big name free agent for that matter) they should have started pursuing them on July 1st.
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
3:07 pm
OK JoJo . . here you go man.
What I did was list all of the guys who played the majority of their minutes at center. If he was a PF that also played C, but he played PF more than he played C, I didn’t list him ( guys like Amare and Boozer fit this description )
But here is the list. If you have a name that you want me to look up right quick, I can do that.
LOL . . one name on this list is going to JUMP OUT right at you. You’re going to say . . WHATTTT???
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Oden: 13.2
Howard: 13.8
Big Z: 13.9
Shaq: 14.2
Okur: 14.4
Bogut: 15.9
Joel Anthony: 15.9
Camby ( POR ): 16.0
N. Mohammed: 16.1
Duncan: 16.1
Zaza: 16.3
Horford: 16.5
K. Thomas: 16.5
Perkins: 16.6
Haywood: 16.8
N. Collison: 16.9
R. Wallace: 17.0
Dampier: 17.0
P. Gasol: 17.0
Dalembert: 17.0
Miller: 17.1
M. Gasol: 17.4
Noah: 17.5
Nene: 17.6
Turiaf: 17.6
Przybilla: 17.6
Bynum: 17.7
Hawes: 18.2
Chandler: 18.2
Gortat: 18.2
R. Lopez: 18.2
Jefferson: 18.5
Bosh: 18.6
Darko: 18.8
Kristic: 18.9
K. Brown: 19.1
J. O’Neal: 19.2
Dav. Andersen: 19.4
Hayes: 19.5
Kaman: 20.1
B. Lopez: 20.3
D. Jordan: 20.4
Hibbert: 20.8
Ben Wallace: 21.0
Biedrins: 21.8
Okafor: 22.2
Lee: 22.2
Spieghts: 24.5
McGee: 24.8
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
3:08 pm
The above list is DEFENSIVE PER for Centers
nash
July 7th, 2010
3:09 pm
We should all be happy that the hawks have not contacted Shaq, the team should be going after a J.J Hicks or a Varajo type player not someone that is stuck in concrete half on the game
JoJo the Godfather
July 7th, 2010
3:31 pm
Thanks for the stats northcyde…Look at my boy Za Za sitting up there in the top 12…I looked at his stats from the Orlando series the other day and noticed that he was one of, if not the only, Hawk that had a decent series compared to his season #’s (ignoring his PF rate of course).
Ken Strickland
July 7th, 2010
3:32 pm
I’m aware other teams are interested in acquiring CP3, and I’ve seen some of them, especially the one proposed by the Bobcats, who were said to be offering SJackson, BDiaw and RFelton.
JO JO-the ASG has already said they were willing to go into the luxury tax bracket to sign a starting quality backup center. With my trade scenario, they can wait a yr before going into the luxury tax bracket to resign Horford. And let’s face it, with CPaul on the roster, the ASG will be able to afford it by then.
We all know JJ isn’t going to be with the Hawks for the duration of his max contract, and with a quality backup center like Okafor, we can certainly afford to move Zaza. With JJ, Chills, Horford, Smoove and Paul as our starters, and Okafor, Zaza, Teague, our 2 draft picks and filler on our bench, along with an actual OFF and DEF system in place, we’d definitely be a championship caliber team.
O'Brien
July 7th, 2010
3:37 pm
One Guy I like on there is Joel Anthony, and he could be had for cheap (although he might want to stay in Miami now).
Any interest in Big Z? Or is he washed up?
JoJo the Godfather
July 7th, 2010
3:49 pm
Ken…Your trade proposal has us right at the luxury tax this year, and with raises probably close to $10M over next year…My gut tells me that the ASG is willing to go in to the luxury tax this year only slightly, while knowing that Crawford’s big expiring deal maintains that level next year…I do not under any circumstances expect the Hawks to use the MLE, bi-annual and sign (or S&T) Childress this year unless additional long term salaries can be shed…I see us going $2-$3M over the tax and not much more than that.
GMAN013
July 7th, 2010
3:57 pm
Hey Guys,
What about trading Smith and Marvin for Gerald Wallace and Tyson Chandler? The salaries match!
Bobcats would get a better Gerald Wallace in Smoove to replace the defense and excitement. Marvin would be a good team guy to play defense and score on an offensively limited team which could also help his confidence.
Hawks would get a “slightly-less rich mans Josh Smith” in Wallace who could provide what Smith does 100% of the time instead of when Smith wants to. Chandler is a defensive minded and athletic center that could provide blocks and rebounding and could score occasionally. Plus Horford could move to PF.
C-Chandler
PF-Horford
SF-Wallace
SG-Johnson
PG-Teague
C-Shaq/Zaza
PF-Zaza/?
SF-Childress/Mo/?
SG-Crawford/Jo Crawford
PG-Bibby/Crawford/?
That is a solid defensive minded line up that could actually score as well. It works for both teams so it would be a fair trade.
Tell me what yall think?
Mitun
July 7th, 2010
3:58 pm
this team needs to get some big name because this division is getting tougher with Dwight Howard in Orlando, Wade and Bosh in Miami, Gerald Wallace in Charlotte. We need a playmaker and a dominent center
jroc
July 7th, 2010
4:02 pm
My gut feeling is that Lebron will sign with the Knicks and add Boozer and a good point gaurd like CP3 or Tony Parker.
Knicks Starting Line Up
pg-CP3 or Parker
sg-Lebron
sf-David Lee
pf-Boozer
c-Amare
Don’t worry Hawks you still wil be a no. 3 seed in the East.
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
4:06 pm
Zaza has tradionally held his own vs Howard, until Howard became real good. But he’s the one guy on the team who can “body up” Howard on occasion. I was kind of shocked myself to see Zaza that high on the Defensive PER list.
Just to give the other side of this . . . here is the OFFENSIVE PER for Centers last year:
Bosh: 28.4
P. Gasol: 28.1
Duncan: 27.7
Howard: 27.2
Oden: 25.9
Lee: 25.1
Bogut: 23.0
Bynum: 22.6
B. Lopez: 22.5
N. Mohammad: 21.9
M. Gasol: 21.5
Nene: 21.4
Horford: 21.3
Noah: 20.6
Shaq: 20.3
J. O’Neal: 20.3
Jefferson: 20.2
Speights: 20.1
R. Lopez: 19.8
Kaman: 19.2
Camby ( POR ): 19.2
Dalembert: 19.0
McGee: 18.9
Okafor: 18.4
Hibbert: 18.3
Haywood ( DAL ): 18.2
B. Wallace: 17.8
Okur: 17.6
Perkins: 17.0
Gortat: 16.5
R. Wallace: 15.8
Dampier: 15.8
Krstic: 15.6
Hawes: 15.5
N. Collison: 15.4
Turiaf: 14.9
Biedrins: 14.9
Zaza: 14.7
Miller: 14.7
Darko: 14.6
D. Jordan: 14.4
Chandler: 14.2
Big Z: 13.7
Dav. Andersen: 13.7
Hayes: 13.2
Przybilla: 12.8
K. Thomas: 11.3
Joel Anthony: 11.2
K. Brown: 9.2
JoJo the Godfather
July 7th, 2010
4:12 pm
I had no idea that Greg Oden projected that well…If that dude can stay healthy, he may actually live up to the hype.
jroc
July 7th, 2010
4:21 pm
D.Howards basketball iq is terrible.His Bam Bam attitude toward basketball will take a while to improve. Thats why its hard for me to understand why the Hawks would even think about bringing The Big Sick One Shaq into this locker room. You talking about the bad attitude that Josh has now, think about how Shaqs Lazy attitude is going to rub off on him and many of the young hawks. The hawks would do better by bringing in a vetern with less baggage like a Kurt Thomas type guy.Za Za plus Kurt Thomas I will take anyday over The Big Has-Been Shaq.
northcyde
July 7th, 2010
4:28 pm
Oden has to stay healthy . . plus stay out of foul trouble. That dude was forever staying in foul trouble.
GeeMack
July 7th, 2010
4:29 pm
GMAN013
I would love to have Wallace, but Chandler is injury prone and his stats are horrible for an athletic big man.
GeeMack
July 7th, 2010
4:40 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
“if I’m running the Heat and I already have Wade and Bosh signed, then moving on to role players makes sense”
Getting Wade LeBron & Bosh in their prime is like getting Jordan, Nique, and Olawjawon in their prime. You can’t pass on that team opportunity. That team would win 3 of the next 5 titles.
lou hudson
July 7th, 2010
5:04 pm
For the love of God, Why are people proposing trades involving the Hawks’ 2, 3, & 4 positions. These areas of strengh. For the tenth time, the Hawks won 53 games last year and finished in the top eight. You don’t blow up a team with success; you attempt to improve it. The center and PG positions are where the team must improve. The Hawks may feel that Teague is ready to take over and that’s fine. However, the center position must be improved. Any trades must focus on strenghen it. People stay focus and stop with stupid trade suggestions!
terrell
July 7th, 2010
5:05 pm
Boozer to Chicago.
terrell
July 7th, 2010
5:09 pm
GeeMack, 3 out of the next 5 titles? Please! Stars dont win titles, TEAMS do.