Atlanta Hawks: Waiting on J.J. (UPDATE: J.J. expected to accept offer in second meeting)

Thanks Mike you cant be all bad….

Now fire sund!

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Mike good premises and conclusion. I think its the right decision. The only question I have is what pieces can we afford to put around JJ to encourage him…. I guess its still JJ’s team whether its Mike Woodson or Woodson II (the sequel).

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July 1st, 2010
12:22 pm

1st!!!

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July 1st, 2010
12:23 pm

Thanks Mike you cant be all bad….

Now fire sund!

AJ

Check your calculator…I think it need a battery AJ
July 1st, 2010
12:24 pm

First

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Chris Paul wants out of NO we need to get some help for Joe package a Marvin Williams Jamal Crawford’s expiring contract. And you have your superstar and JJ gets help.

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ur gonna have to give up josh to get paul

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This is a big mistake. He isn’t worth max money. And 6 years is a really long time.

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Max money is WAY too much for JJ. But we now know that his motivation is $$$$. His history told us as much.

Now we have to figure what assets (players) we can peddle off in order to field a balanced team.

Wow, should I be happy or sad.

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Since the ASG doesn’t seem to know any better, the best scenario would be for Joe to choose another team and work out a sign-and-trade. That way, we don’t get burdened with an overpriced player and we get something in return.

Then again, maybe in the long run it’s best for this deal to go through and ruin the franchise for a number of years, forcing the ASG to have to sell the team.

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Chp…. Question? Why would you put Josh in that trade, when his skills are the best mesh on the team with Paul’s talent?

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Haywood

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I know that we all agree that signing JJ was necessary but why do you think no one is exactly rejoicing?

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This is being called the worst signing in any sport ever – can’t get the link to post however – it is on yahoo – about 5 minutes ago.

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By the way, I totally disagree about this being the worst free agent signing – Joe will age well, barring injury, and we really did have no other choice unless we get a great sign and trade.

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MC,

it is on sekou’s twitter page when he says “Yes it has been confirmed by two different sources”

Apparently JJ hasn’t gotten the sixth year yet. Don’t give up hope we might can still turn this around

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67688/20100701/hawks_offer_to_joe_johnson_does_not_yet_include_6th_season/

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MC

Are you hearing anything about getting JJ some help, if he signs.

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Look people, we’re just trying to hold the value of the franchise until we can sell it. That’s why we’re making this offer.

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Thanks MC…

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Mike I dont know that rook is ready for prime time. If he were still in college hed just be entering his senior season. Can see keeping the same starting five is going to get us any higher especially since we offer a free pass to the basket as long a horford is the man in the middle. I really dont want to do another 1 and done.
I must say since the offseason began. We havent improved at all. If this pans out it will be the same scenario as last season. We will be unable to defend the basket Horford will average 12 or 13 points and you guys will say how great that is. Mean will Woodson part II the sequel will be under pressure for not winning more than 48 games.

You cant keep doing the same things and expect different results. One thing is clear, this is Sund’s team and its either his philosophy or the highway.

Sund Sucks and so will the hawks again next year. Unless they get what Al call’s ” a real center” I wont be watching! The results are too predictable.

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fearing that he may opt out next summer

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*cant see keeping the same five will change the out come.
*mean while

you can bring chris paul over ( id like that ) to go with JJ but that still wont open lanes in the paint. This will once again be a jump shooting team. No force in the middle.

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next season I will be featuring the SAME DAMN THING YOU SAW THIS YEAR.

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ah, asg doing the bait and switch routine?

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MC,

So exactly how much money would we have left (if any) after this max contract is done to spend on some help. And what would be our best bet (if you include the option of a S&T with Childress granted that he doesn’t want to stay)

Also is there any hope that there will be cap room in the future to re-sign Horford to a good deal?

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You’ll just be jumping for you, hey, Michael? Your love for Joe Johnson overflows. It’s a shame that the fans buying the tickets rather than getting the press credentials don’t all agree with you.

Perhaps there’s still hope Joe will be moving on to another team. I know you don’t like to hear that, but until he signs, there’s hope.

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COME ON BACK HOME JOE! I’ll LEAVE ON THE PORCH LIGHT

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Big Ray- Get you drink on but be careful. i sure i dont have to tell u that since you are the “PO PO” LOL. No need in risking your lively-hood for a few shots of Tequila. Just curious-since you guys are held to a higher standard if an off duty police man gets nabbed for DUI what goes down-suspension,fired,reprimand……

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Going to be an interesting off-season to be sure. After two second round flameouts (the second being much worse that the first), the mandate for change is there.

The name plate on the coach’s door is different and with it apparently will come a different philosophy and approach (even if LD has been here a while). And now Joe is getting an offer that can only be construed as showing that Sund and the ASG want him back. The ball’s in his court on that count now.

Is that “enough” change balanced against the Hawks playoff performance? Not to me. So I’m curious to see what unfolds in the weeks ahead in terms of trades.

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He’s going to do the same as everyone else….won’t make a decision until Monday. He already said he’s going to take a “couple of days” to think about it.

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lets get Dwayne Wade in the ATL

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Oh and one more thing – kudos to MC for seeing the Joe situation perfectly. A lot of those national guys live in an echo chamber and come to a “conventional wisdom” conclusion on this stuff that is flat out wrong – A LOT!

Gotta respect the hard-working local guy who’s with the team consistently and doesn’t have some of the biases that people far removed from the Hawks do.

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@tckr83 – wow, I’m starting to feel like a Sund/ASG apologist.

I’d contend that the max move was the right one strategically. Before he can get jazzed and be sold into the Knicks/Bulls/Heat building of a dynasty, of which he would likely not get the max and play a complementary, not a main, role.

If he simply signs with someone else, the Hawks get nothing. This way, we either get to hold onto a 4-time all-star or get a major piece for a sign and trade. Bottom line, he’s not going to let himself get too pumped about playing second fiddle to LeBron or Wade when he knows there’s $$$ on the table.

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@eh – no.

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Lebron leaves Cleveland and franchise loses much of the added value its gained over past half decade or more. One estimate is that the value will decline by $250M.

Lesson to ASG: Build the franchise’s value then sell high. How? Go get CP3 to pair with JJ, Horford, and Javale McGee. Imagine lobs from CP3 to McGee. Remember the chemistry between CP3 and Chandler?. Basketball tailor-made for ESPN stuff.

Sell in ‘11 so that you’re not around in ‘12 to screw up the deal (i.e., JJ & picks) when Superman wants to return to his roots.

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“Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, and Jamal Crawford to Hornets for Okafor, Darren Collison, and David West.”

I think the Hawks would be giving up too much by including Smoove. West isn’t a center either, so the Hawks would either be left continuing to play Horford at center or would have West coming off the bench while the injury prone Okafor starts at center. Neither move upgrades the Hawks.

I do think any trade with New Orleans becomes a realistic possibility only if the other team agrees to take Okafor off their hands. I actually think that will be more important to the Hornets than getting a good player in return, regardless of whether they trade Paul or Collison.

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I hope it is a sign and trade deal. He is a middle tier player at best and not championship caliber. It is because of his me me me style that the Hawks didn’t go further. Maybe the fans can trade the owners for someone with skils.

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I don’t know much, but I do know one thing: If we could get Chris Paul for Josh, Crawford and perhaps another player or two, I wouldn’t hesitate one moment to pull off that deal!

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I would not pick Joe Sorry Johnson in a pick up game at the park. He is not a leader and he will never win a Championship for atlanta. Lets go after someone who is consistent. Joe Johnson is like Chipper Jones he should have been gone.

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JC-

Why are you apologizing for a dysfunctional ownership group? It’s a circus and the degree to which they want to win is sometimes there one second and perplexingly missing/lessened the next.

You telling me that Larry Drew was THE BEST option for a coach this offseason? Come on man! Larry Drew would’ve been the 4th, 5th or even a non-invite for every franchise in the NBA that is sold on winning championships alone. They skimped and this is why Phillips Arena sits half full/half empty for half of the Hawks’ home games…

As far as the ownership actually using the $ gained by trading away the #31 pick to add a veteran presence worth that money… i’ll hold my breath. Joe Smith part II isn’t going to improve this team.

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First of all $119 Million is waaay too much money to offer JJ. I like him and he’s never been involved in any off-the-court news so I commend him for that. But for that kind of money you could let him walk and sign a kid like Rudy Gay out of Memphis (who’s essentially the same player as JJ) and still have money left over to make another move. Secondly, name ONE player who actually played HARDER after signing a max contract? Strong possibility he’ll loaf around for 3 years then ask for a trade anyway. Go after Rudy Gay and CP3.

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MC horford make more sense for the hornet, and they can bring okafor of the bench.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

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MC horford and marvin for chris paul the saleries match.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

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Question. If JJ is no good and everyone wants to do a sign and trade, could someone tell me a valuable asset that the hawks can trade? Everyone knows JJ’s value it would seem, except the people that got their feelings hurt. Bibby(no value), Josh(headcase), Marvin(Please), Jamal(expiring next year, maybe), ZaZa(please), Mo(please). Al is the only one with value, and the question will be, can he play power forward, he is not a center. So the one thing most teams want(JJ), some fans want to get rid of, logic is a rare commodity.

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If not CP3 i do like Rudy Gay & Marc Gasol Rudy is a little cheaper than Chris Paul and healthier.

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Hoops Hype said the Clippers are in contention for S and T for Joe. I’d take Eric Gordon and Kaman all day if they’d do it. The salaries should match.

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im sorry but i dont think Josh is going anywhere… i think Drew has big plans for him…

some would hate me for it but i would move Al before Josh..

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@tckr83 – I can’t disagree that ASG is dysfunctional. Pretty sure I’d get laughed off the comments section if I did.

But I will say that, from what we had to choose from for head coach, Drew was the best option. Of course, Avery Johnson, Tom Thibodeau or any of the big name other guys who signed with other teams would have been preferable, but when they signed elsewhere, our options were Casey, Jackson and Drew. First off, Mark Jackson shouldn’t be in this conversation. He knows the game? Great. He’ll make a great broadcaster.

Other than his half-season in Minnesota, Casey is basically the same as Drew. Both are long-time assistants who have worked under various head coaches and are due for a shot at a head coaching gig.

The added advantage of Drew is that he knows the Hawks players, and they like him. That means decreased “feeling out” period, less risk of player backlash and greater potential for player cohesion and philosophy.

Also, Drew saw what worked and didn’t work with this team under Woodson. How great was it during his first press conference, he addressed in six minutes the major issues I’ve been screaming at my television for the last six years? This guy has had a front row seat to every Hawks game for the last six years. Pretty sure he knows more about players’ strengths and weaknesses, as well as the team sociology than some coach from the Mavs.

And as far as $ for the 31 pick, you have to look at the alternative. We’ve already got Jason Collins and Randolph Morris pretty much glued to the bench, why add another inexperienced big man who won’t see any minutes? I’d rather have another Joe Smith than a Randolph Morris four years ago.

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For Real-

I agree with you there. But what has it gotten the Hawks? If you gave me a choice between Joe Johnson and Ray Allen (who is not a top2 SG in the NBA) to take a last second shot in a Game 7 of the playoffs… who would you take? I’d take Allen everytime. And thats something that shouldn’t even be up for debate if you’re the #3 SG in the NBA. He doesn’t have “it”. I’d even take Jamal Crawford over JJ with that shot, and he has only played in Atlanta for one season!

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“I guess we should ignore the fact that JJ has: Been a no-show in the playoffs for 3 straight years, doesn’t lead, is a 2nd tier “superstar”, pissed off many Atlanta fans, Joe Johnson is all about Joe Johnson attitude?” – You could switch JJ with Lebron but i bet you would want to sign Lebron even tho he was a no-show in the playoffs for 3 straight years and pissed off many Cleveland fans.

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JOE SHOWED UP IN THE 1ST PLAYOFFS GET UR FACTS RIGHT

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JC-

Avery Johnson made a deal with NJ after ASG decided he’d cost too much. Thibodeau (sp?), Scott and even Del Negro plus one or two others with head coaching experience were available AFTER Drew signed with the Hawks.

I’m just not buying the fact that a guy that has been with this team throughout Mike Woodson’s tenure is going to make THAT MUCH of a difference if any at all.

How can anyone be “excited” about Drew getting hired? The best anyone can say is, at least his last name isn’t Woodson…

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“If you gave me a choice between Joe Johnson and Ray Allen (who is not a top2 SG in the NBA) to take a last second shot in a Game 7 of the playoffs… who would you take? I’d take Allen everytime.” – Did you watch Ray Allen in the Championship game? If you go back to their title game it was Paul not Ray that was Boston’s best player. If you don’t like Joe say so but don’t make things up that are not true. No one in this league would take Ray of Joe. PERIOD!!!

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Did Rudy Gay just accept a max deal from Memphis?

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I would do Josh Smith for Chris Paul all day, every day. We can get a legit 3 or 5 and make our MAXman happy he doesn’t have to deal with Smoove

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   We know the Mavs are extremely interested in Hawks star Joe Johnson. So – with the understanding that Dallas has long sought help at the 2-guard spot and that discussions about LeBron, Wade and the underpublicized idea of stealing Rudy Gay all have merit — let’s take a closer, issue-by-issue look at the idea of Joe Johnson, and how his acquisition might work:

   Johnson may not be the ultimate prize this summer in the league, but he comes with the desirable pedigree of having carried the load as his team’s best player for multiple years. As we’ve seen in Boston (Garnett and Allen) and LA (Gasol), adding that sort of player to another who’s been a team’s lead player in getting to the playoffs can multiply the efforts and effectiveness of both.
 
    As such, JJ could be more valuable to the Mavs than has been noticed.
 
    He’s a very large (6-7) 2-guard who let the Hawks to a franchise turnaround. He’s not LeBron/Wade. How he compares to the 23-year-old Gay, a restricted free agent who might actually be easier to secure, is an argument for another day. But no debate here: Joe is a major upgrade over what Dallas has generally relied upon over the years at the position.

   So the next question is emerging: if the Mavs can entice him, what would it cost?

   The answer is intriguing because of the flexibility the Mavs have created with their assets.

   It all starts with two issues:

   1. What other options (if any) will Atlanta have besides working with the Mavs on a Sign-and-Trade? If they decline the deal, would that send him to a rival of the Hawks? Will there be other places JJ likes, with Sign-and-Trade offers on the table for the Hawks? While Atlanta has made noises about being disinterested in any S-n-T, at the end of the day it would seem that their disinterest will only last as long as it furthers their franchise goals – and if he’s walking anyhow, they may quickly change their stance with the right offer.
    There is a reason that ultimately, most major free-agent movement is actually S-n-T movement. To do otherwise (as some think Cleveland will stubbornly do with LeBron, letting him go with no S-n-T to prove some spiteful point) is only hurting yourself.

   2. If the Hawks are open to (or forced to) consider a Sign-and-Trade with someone, what (other than the generic “the best thing we can get”) will they be looking for? To be more specific, do they want players? Do they want veterans ready to win? Or do they prefer kids? Or picks? How about salary issues – do they want a normal trade match, or one with almost no salary featuring Dampier’s instant expiring DUST?

If you think through those two issues, it’s quickly apparent that a SnT with Atlanta could end up in a million different ways. But interestingly, the Mavs have the pieces to do just about anything needed to get the deal done, it would seem.

   Since we don’t know how the Hawks would be thinking, let’s scattershoot the possibilities.

   POSSIBILITY: If the Hawks want no salary at all – to trade-match any deal JJ could get from Dallas, the DUST contract alone would do the trick. So if Atlanta wants no salary whatsoever, simply add one or more No. 1 picks and/or cash to The DUST chip, and the deal is done. Easy as pie.

   Furthermore, while the Hawks talk like they aren’t interested in a SnT if JJ walks, might this sort of “this won’t cost you anything, since he’s walking anyway why not steer him to the West and take some free picks” package (our model use of The DUST chip) be the magic key to get a SnT done?

   POSSIBILITY: With that as the base for a no-to-low-salary offer, it’s easy to negotiate from there in various ways as needed. Depending on how well each side is able to negotiate and how willing each is to walk away from making the deal, maybe the Mavs would add more “cheap” pieces – more cash, more picks, and even some inexpensive-but-useful pieces like Beaubois, Barea, or Dominique Jones. Or maybe the Mavs would be able to offer less and still make the Hawks happy. Who knows?
    We know Dallas wishes to not part with Roddy B. The question the Mavs must ask themselves: Is Joe Johnson already the player (in terms of overall impact) that Roddy B is trying to become? Or is Roddy B a good bet to become an even better player than Joe?

   POSSIBILITY: What if the Hawks instead prefer a deal filled with existing useful veterans (which will have lots of salary)? In that case – the Mavs would still have the players to do it and the flexibility to provide choices.

   Some options might include the Mavs sending a SnT’ed Haywood to help the Hawks’ needs at center, Butler to help replace JJ on the wing, ex-Hawk Jason Terry to shore up SG and shooting deficiencies with JJ’s loss, and/or others as filler or to provide added help. Mix and match with a Barea or Roddy B or Jones here or there and negotiate as to what is needed to get the deal done.

   POSSIBILITY: To be more specific on those ideas with veterans, how about something as simple as a Butler-Stevenson pair of expirings to provide short-term help, layered with the addition of Jones for their future needs at SG? Or what about a Haywood-Jet package to provide short-term help, with some cash included to relieve salary issues and a future pick as the cherry on top?

    POSSIBILITY: Even more important to note is the fact that, regardless of what the Hawks might prefer, there are likely to still be multiple assets left for the Mavs to do another significant deal this summer. (See Dallas’ Double-Dipping.)

    One final issue to discuss is this: how interested would JJ be in coming to Dallas? Our belief is that the Mavs could — better than many teams being mentioned in relation to him — satisfy his likely wish list.
 
   *He wants to get a full contract. This is a meritous debate in some cities – including in Atlanta, where I find it hard to believe reports that they have an intention of giving him six years and $125 mil — but maybe no problem in Dallas.
   *He wants to play for a team that’s successful. When assumptions were made earlier this year that he might be an easy get for the Knicks under his former coach D’Antoni, he quickly shot down the idea with the response that after years of struggling in Atlanta to find some on-court success, he had no desire to go backwards and start over when it came to being on a winner. He’ll have to weigh that when some teams fall short of their quest to sign LeBron, and he may find himself weighing the Mavs vs. the Knicks, Nets, Rockets and Clippers.
    *He wants to be wanted. The well-publicized acrimony from Atlanta fans towards him when the Hawks lost in the playoffs has perhaps ruined their chances completely.
 
    All of that sounds to me like a player who will want to listen to Dallas’ pitch.

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Unless, they are going to sign and trade him.

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Check out this article from Hoopsworld that talks about a sign a trade for JJ.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16672

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Rudy Gay has agreed to a five-year, $81.6 million deal with Memphis, including a player option on fifth, his reps at Octagon confirmed to Y! per Adrian Woj. Memphis, you’re up.

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if this is true MC i much prefer the ace of this negotiation than that of chills and josh. you werent around for that summer but that was the pits.

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If the Hawks re-up JJ, I will never go see another game at Phillips Arena. The guy isn’t good enough to be the #1 guy on a championship team. He’s a great complimentary piece, but we’re going to be paying him $24 million dollars at the age of 35? You can’t be serious.

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i guess the media would have rather seen Joe take money from another organization just so they could praise them for having a solid plan B.. smh

check yahoo’s home page..

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YOU PEOPLE REALIZE WHEN THIS DEAL IS UP AND HE IS GONE, THE HAWKS WOULD HAVE PAID HIM 200 MILLION DOLLARS FOR HIS TIME HERE !!!!!!! I GUARANTEE NO TITLE, NO CONFERENCE FINALS, JUST A BUNCH OF BLAH BLAH BLAH 50 WIN SEASONS AND FOLDING IN THE PLAY-OFFS

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seriously yahoo?

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MC, please stop saying “Rook”. Reminds me Woody

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Atta boy Joe… now just sit back and count your cash. Hope fans won’t get too mad when they’re paying you $20 million to sit on the bench with a couple torn ACLs at the age of 32.

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Has this guy ever been tested for drugs? ……….or Sund for that matter………!!!

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Amen ‘Hawksfan’! I mean seriously, what the hell is going on around here? There has to be something more at play than we know about. There’s no freaking way the ASG could possibly be stupid enough to sign this clue to a max contract. 35-111 shooting in the playoffs. Lack of leadership. Aren’t max money players the true face of their franchise? Think about it: How many people do you see walking around with a Joe Johnson jersey? Exactly! I hope they ship his ass of somewhere and I don’t even care what we get in return as long as it’s something. For this clown to insult the city of Atlanta and our fans and now get rewarded with a max contract is absolutely absurd. If this goes down and there is no sign and trade: Bye, Bye Atlanta Hawks. I will NOT and CANNOT give you anymore of my valuable time or money. I’ll miss Phillips Arena, but would rather go see Mylie Cyrus than support these idiots (ASG).

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I see a sign-and-trade coming. If they really wanted Joe, they could’ve offered him the max a long time ago. Only time will tell.

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how realistic is a trade for chris paul? we should be willing to give up josh smith and jamal for paul

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This for Rick Sund. Offering JJ top money, knowing he wouldnt get it any where else was the dumbest decision you could have made in free agency . Lebron hasnt even recieved an offer yet…. This is some bs!!!

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For real:

So Ray Allen doesn’t get a pass for his playoffs, but Joe Johnson does? Is that how this works? And I can assure you, Ray Allen being one of, if not the best shooter of all time… MANY PEOPLE would disagree with you. More than would agree with you actually if it came to Joe Johnson or Ray Allen taking that Game 7, buzzer beating shot.

And as a player… you cannot compare Joe Johnson and Lebron James. People are laughing at you right now just so you know.

I guess we can compare Joe Johnson to Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Karl Malone and a few other HALL OF FAMERS w/o rings as well?

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If it weren’t for Woody’s insistence on signing Marvin and Bibby to those outrageous contracts last year, we’d be sitting pretty right about now. Oh well…..

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Hey Michael Cunningham what are the Hawks looking at in possible trades.

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That Adrian Vicente post makes absolutely no sense to me. If you’re the Hawks, I don’t think you practically break your necks to offer Joe the max unless you are absolutely serious about re-signing him.

Also, Jamal would not “seamlessly” replace Joe, if for no other reason JJ is a much better defensive player.

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Is there money for a big man. Is Jsmoove on the block for one. How about Jsmoove for Al Jefferson in Minnesota, I heard he’s on the market. If the hawks don’t get a big man, it will be more 2nd round loses to look forward. Can you say, “a good team with poor attendance”. Remember those days with Smitty, Mookie, and Lenny. THE HAWKS ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!

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PLEASE STOP EVERYBODY JUST STOP PLEASE I MEAN WHERE ARE U PEOPLE COMMING FROM SERIOUSLY LOL!!! WE COULDNT EVEN SELL OUT PLAYOFF GAMES FOR GOD SAKE BUT U ARE QUICK TO GET ALL CRAZY WHEN YALL SEE A CONTRACTS BEING OFFERED TO SOMEBODY YALL DIDNT GO WATCH ANYWAY. THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE DUUUUUUUUUMBEST CITY IN THE WORLD NOT AMERICA THE WORLD LOL!

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I think a lot of JJ’s poor performance in the playoffs had to do with coaching. Woody was a very poor offensive coach, and it really showed. I think he opens things up a lot and JJ has a banner post-season this year.

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I MEAN THIS IS THE SAME CITY THAT WANTED THE FALCONS TO PUT THERE TEAM ON HOLD TILL THEIR QUARTERBACK GOT OUT OF THE PEN LMAO!!!!!!!!

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JC

Yes Victor did! And he is 100% correct. CP3 is 25 years but his left knee is 85 years old!
He had a career ending type knee injury and surgery last year and did NOT return to play after
he was to in 6 to 8 weeks! The jury is out on the left knee: he had a complete removal of one of his
two meniscuses. Yes, I said complete removal!

That means femur bone sitting on top of Tibial Plateau without a meniscus to absorb shock.
That means severe osteoarthritis in his very near future. He may need Micro-Fracture
Surgery very soon. Hopefully, that will revive the knee and he can play at some point.

A huge gamble to be trading healthy ballers for him right now!
So yes! Speedy Claxton is a fair comparison!

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ONLY 5% OF THIS BLOG GO SUPPORT THE HAWKS ANYWAY SO U OTHER 95% HOLD YOUR BREATH FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE IT AGAIN BUT WITH JOE JOHNSON, WE HAVE THE SECOND COMING OF JON KONCAK.IT’S TIME FOR RICK SUND AND THE ASG TO LEAVE TOWN.THIS IS TOO MUCH.

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Josh Smith for Al Jefferson? One pf for another pf?

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120MILLION IS 60MILLION AND 2 YEARS TO LONG FOR JOE HE WONT LAST 2 YRS IN THAT CONTRACT AND HIS NUMBERS ARE ON THE DECLINE I THOUGHT SUND MADE SOME GREAT MOVES LAST OFF SEASON WITH LIMITED MONEY AND NO DRAFT PICKS THIS YR UPPER MANAGEMENT MUST FAIL TO WATCH ANY GAMES ATLANTA DONT WANT JOE HE CANT CARRY A TEAM OR GET PASS THA SECOND ROUND FOR 120 MILLION I LIKE RUDY GAY CHRIS PAUL MARC GASOL PICK 2 OUT OF THA THREE AND SAVE 40 MILLION
MY PREDICTION HAWKS PAY JOE WIN LESS LET JOE GO

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Actually Jeff it’s on yahoo’s main page. haha

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http://www.yahoo.com/

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Even though I would much rather kick Joe Johnson square in the nuts than sign him to a max deal, I have to give the ASG a little credit. They are making a lot of people eat crow. I don’t think anyone can call them cheap, assuming that Joe gets this max deal.

Michael, do you think there is a shot of Josh Smith getting traded?

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OMG a max contract for Joe Johnson! Ouch what is in the water in the ATL? This reminds me of the horrible Elton Brand deal, Lou Deng deal, and countless others OMG,….that BAD NBA paper OUCH!

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Kilbuckner.

I’ve heard this a lot, “Al is a prototypical Power forward and therefore needs to be played there so he can back guys down”. You are pointing out that he looks hesitant to face up. Which prototypical power forwards with decent offense a) don’t have a faceup game and/or b) don’t post up centers on a very regular basis? I can’t think of any, contemporary or historical.

Malone, Barkley, Boozer, Brand… all those guys utilize(d) great face-up games.

Jefferson/McHale have faceup games but spend most of their time in the post where they are most often guarded by centers.

I can’t think of a single power forward whose game relies exclusively on overpowering opponents, that is generally the work of a guy like Artis Gilmore or Shaq.

If Horford doesn’t take advantage of an obvious mismatch it doesn’t mean you rearrange your roster for him, it means you make him spend the summer working on his faceup game and get in his face when he acts too passive.

He won’t be an elite offensive player is he can’t learn how to take guys off the dribble – most great power forwards do more damage facing up.

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Joe will capitalize more than any player this year that is a free agent. No he don’t deserve the max, but he is too valuable to let him go. Now JJ lets step your game up this year especially in the playoffs and be more of a vocal player in the locker-room since you got max money. Prove that you deserved it and earned it even though you didn’t.

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Hurrah! Soon, Joe Johnson will be signed and the Hawks will have completed an offseason of improving not one iota. Woooo hoooo!!!!!!! Larry Drew is no upgrade.

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lil’ rock, that’s not good enough!

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plz hawks!!!!! rethink this max deal

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Other than Kobe and DWade, name another Shooting Guard in the NBA that’ better than Joe.

I would take:
Kevin Durrant
Manu Ginobili
Brandon Roy

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This contract will remind us that the Hawks will always be the Hawks.

What a collosal mistake!! Get a real PG and some fundamental TEAM players…

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If Joe does leave, Does anyone know what salary cap implications that has on the hawks? Does it leave us with any extra cash? Only wondering because of a story on SI that states the meetings went well with the Knicks. Just curious.

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Yeah MC this blogg has been killing this offseason and don’t let the big wigs say its just with all this free agent talk. I let Dled know this on his Falcon Blogg and he got mad and erased it. Keep up the good work man. Demand a raise or flip over a few desk like the teacher did on Lean On Me.

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By the way, I think it should be pretty clear that the national “experts” have little respect for the Hawks team and the organization.

They paint the ASG as cheap and place Joe everywhere but here and then when the team moves aggressively to re-sign him in one place claim:

1. It’s the worst FA contract ever; and/or

2. It’s obviously a sign and trade with a mystery team that until late last night couldn’t speak with JJ.

I’d call “expert analysis” like that A$$clownery, but doing so would give A$$clowns a bad name.

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grave digger

July 1st, 2010
4:04 pm

thats got to be the post of the day!

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“The Hawks are said to be shopping Marvin Williams and Mike Bibby.
They’ve reportedly been contacted by the Warriors regarding Marvin, and it would not be surprising to see either player end up playing elsewhere next year.”

Update from rotoworld.com I don’t know how reliable the source is but I sure do hope there’s some truth behind this ‘rumor.’

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At the end of the day (or FA period) you will see that all the big name free agents were motivated most by money and less by getting on a better team.

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Yahoo sports is calling this the worst contract in NBA history. I just read the story 5 minutes ago.

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Marin and Bibby! YOU”RE FIRED!

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I leaning to hoping he signs. Yea he’s not a elite superstar, sure HoF’er, but he’s the next best thing. Plus people forget when he was with the Suns he shared the ball real well, was a lot better all-round player till Woodson got a hold of him. I think what Larry Drew is saying is exactly right, about a motion offense making JJ a better player. Making the defense focus on everyone in the lineup will help JJ a lot.

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obviously chris paul would be the ideal superstar, however if the rumor is true and carmello anthony is available, you have to get him. a legit one two punch that would be unstoppable! work out any connection of marvin, smith, crawford, chills and a future first, and get mello!

and hope teague turns into rondo…and do ANYthing to get rid of bibbys contract

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Tbird dont jinx it lol lets all hope this is true.

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drmaryb
Be careful good doctor cdog seems to be in heat

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Hawks on the main page of yahoo.com? Yeah it must be bad news …

“a good portion of the NBA community regards that contract as the worst it has ever seen”

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@Tbird”Warriors said to be dangling Monta Ellis for Williams and/or Bibby??? Even the Warriors could not be that dumb???”

now remember we got Crawford from Golden State for Acie Law and Speedy Cla Cla Cla Claxton so its not actually that farfetched theyd give us Monta

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Sure, we all want the Hawks to be a championship team, yesterday, but the fact is that even though the Hawks basically have the same personnel as the 2nd-round loss team they were yesterday, if they were let Joe Johnson walk they wouldn’t be able to replace him in the next year or two with the players to make the Hawks as good as they are now.

Even though this season’s team will probably be not very much different looking in personnel than last year’s team was, even the most optimistic of Hawks fans surely must realize that we aren’t getting LeBron, D. Wade, Stoudamire, Chris Bosh, or the Tooth Fairy to come play for the Hawks anytime in the coming decade or so. Plus, now that we have a coach who supposedly has an actual set of offensive plays to run, I am willing to give them a chance.

Personally, I can live with a Hawks team that finished with the 3rd seed in the Eastern Conference and in any given year can upset the top seeds. I’m old and have watched way too many Hawks teams that were lucky if they finished 3rd from the bottom of their conference.

I believe that this Hawks team would have to be seriously dismantled over the course of several years in order to provide enough cap space to get significantly better if you start rebuilding again right now. In my opinion, the Hawks are really not that far away with their current roster. They really don’t need to do anything foolish and, in my opinion, letting Joe Johnson walk would qualify as foolish.

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Why is it that the Hawks management had all season to get this max contract done and didn’t and now all of a sudden, they’re jumping all over themselves to give Joe as much money as they can and get him signed? What changed? If anything, I thought Joe’s situation and playing got progressively worse as the season and especially during the playoffs.

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Blame the contract on fear of loosing your best player. Not on JJ.

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What i think is whats going to happen with LeBron he stays in Cleveland you can not turn down 125 mill and with Byron Scott there now I also think Bosh will end up in Miami or Chicago. I leaning that Stoudemire stays a Sun but he may go to the Nets. The biggest looser is New York.

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correction to the first line: I don’t know alot about basketball. I don’t know what JJ is worth

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Bibby/Williams rumors may have legs; Hawks have expressed interest in Duhon.

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So you mean to tell me we offering Jo Jo a 6 year 125 mil and a “NEW” TEAM FOR KING JAMES NEW YORK IS COURTING HIM AT 5 YEARS 95 MILLION OMG $#@%#%

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LET JO GO
TAKE A LOOK AT THE BIBBY/MARVIN FOR MONTE ELLIS
SPEND MONEY ON A BIG MAN
3 SEED!

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OH WE MAY HAVE JUST MAY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO INK A 2ND TIER FA I MEAN RICHARD JEFFERSON OR BIG’S IF WE SPEND LET IT BE ON BOOZER OR AMARE I DON’T BELIEVE IN THE BOSH HYPE!

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Hey Michael, it’s supes. If everything goes through (resigning JJ, blockbuster trade, good trade, etc) Do you see Phillips rocking like the Dome was when Vick was here?

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I would take:
Kevin Durrant – Small Forward and he is under contract
Manu Ginobili – Shooting Guard that doesn’t START for his own team
Brandon Roy – Point Guard and he is under contract

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Hate to say it but you can always count on the Hawks to make the wrong move at the right time…first Larry drew and now a max contract for Joe Johnson (who on ELITE teams would be a second OR third option)

Seems like Hawks fans are always being fed leftovers and expected to react as if it’s prime rib

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Michael, thanks for the response. You’re completely right, but weren’t the free agents that are out there now and the market the same at the beginning of the season as they are now? No new super free agents have come about have they? I just wonder why we are all of a sudden so desperate to keep Joe? Maybe changing coaches really did have something to do with things, especially since Joe so kindly let the fans know what he thought about them under the previous coach. You would think by those comments and Joe’s frustration that he was planning on being out.

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Michael Cunningham – your right, The dollars don’t matter much right now, it about putting best team possible on the court, I think Spirit are doing right thing. If they lose JJ, they are not going to attract a better player.

I don’t care about the money I already can’t afford tickets. We are not getting D Wade, LeBron, Bosh, or any of the other guys, best option is to keep Johnson. Only other option is fire sale and hope for the upcoming drafts, they are so close with Johnson and team they got, they need to sign him and tweek it up a little by offering Bibby and Williams and see what they can get. Looks like the owners are on the right course.

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If the Hawks are attempting to trade Marvin w/o acquiring a small forward in the deal, that most likely means they want Childress starting at the small forward position.

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ASG is on the right track (for now).

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eh – wrong, After Wade and LeBron sign, lets just say with their current teams, NY, Chicago, NJ, … will all be offering JJ the max. He and Bosh will be no 1 targets to get. They will have to do something to settle all the fans after clearing cap space for years for this F/A market, they have to something, JJ will get his max.

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@MC…maybe i should take J.J.’s agent in with me.

yep…AJC…ASG…close- enough!! you should come out a winner!!!LOL

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@Scoots
the idiotic people who want to overpay for a sucky point guard errrhum cough cough YOU!!!
=IDIOT
RAY FELTON= SUCKS

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Thank you J.J. – I look much better now

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John Koncak can now rest in peace.

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I like JJ, but I think there are very few NBA players worth max money. Kobe, LeBron, Howard, Durant, Paul (maybe)…I think of max players as game changers. As in, any one of those guys can take over a game and be the difference between winning and losing. I think JJ is great with the right complementary pieces, but I also think he’s shown he’s not a game changer. I wonder if $20 million a season would be better spent on 2 pieces to the puzzle, rather than solely on JJ. Guess we’ll see.

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why do people make up stuff they cant and dont prove?

drmaryb

July 1st, 2010
4:44 pm

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Marvin and Bibby you are so FIRED

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nobody,

True story. But if the rumors are true and they ship Marvin and Bibby out of here, then will certainly have the cap space to match.

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If Bogut wasn’t injured we would have lost to the Bucks in the first round . This move does not make us any better next year . I just don’t understand why we can’t let JJ walk or do a sign & trade . There are other FA’s out there that can help us just as much . I have a question Michael . Why would we overspend so many millions for JJ but not pay market rate for a better HC candidate ? I see no sense in anything ASG has done since the playoffs .

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drmaryb,

If that’s true, then that’s unfortunate. But was it acute or chronic? Because acute HepB usually clears up on it’s own in 6 months max.

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no mr rondo, i don’t think like that.i’m happily married.i don’t do adulturey

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drmaryb, i use to work down there.there was a girls basketball coach there named mary ellen.i was wondering was that you.thanks for clearing that up for me.peace and joy to you.keep up the good work.

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I guess I should state that I’m LeBron James

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I’m lost. Is this a health blog, or a sports blog?

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Still basketball related. If they skipped over Alabi because he has hepatitis B, then I’m obviously curious which type of hepatis B it was, as acute Hep B usually goes away on its own, but chronic Hep B can cause long term problems. Try and keep up.

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Haha, try and do work for a few hours and get your opinions dragged through the coals – serves me right, I guess.

@drMaryB/Victor – so CP3 has knee problems, and he might not be able to slash as effectively in a few years. He’s still been an All-Star for the past three years. Claxton, on the other hand, was waived by the Warriors last year for Anthony Tolliver. Knees are knees, but as long as he can stand upright, CP3 will be a better player than Craig “don’t call him Speedy” Claxton ever was.

@Everyone else – I think I know the problem. You expect the Hawks and ASG to function like a well-run organization and get angry when they don’t. As a long-time Hawks fan, I’ve realized it’s pointless to get angry when they make obvious mistakes and call for blood. ASG owns the Hawks for the time being, and will continue to own it until someone comes along with a good enough offer to buy the team. They’re not going to sell it because you told them to on a forum.

With that in mind, I choose to laud any improvements that they do make. Of course I’d rather have Phil Jackson coaching the Hawks, but ASG won’t spend the money. For the money they’re willing to spend, Drew was a solid choice.

And while Joe’s proposed contract is incredibly high, at least they’re spending $ in an effort to maintain a key player on a very solid, albeit not a superstar team. Everyone has been yelling at ASG to open up the purse strings and spend money on the roster. Don’t get angry when they actually do it. Simply put, the Hawks with Joe Johnson > the Hawks without Joe Johnson.

Being a Hawks fan is like having a special need child. They’re not going to be top of their class, but you praise them heartily when they do do well.

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Fundamentals
Chills for Gilberts Glocs and AK”S

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There is a rumor about a possible trade between the Hawks and the Warriors with the Hawks looking to move Marvin Williams and Bibby. Any word on who might be possibly coming back to the Hawks or is this just a cap clearing move?

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There is an article on yahoo.com/nba by Kelly Dwyer that is an interesting read. Needless to say, it doesnt say anything positive about the Hawks or JJ. here is an excerpt.

Bear in mind that Johnson achieved those stats by absolutely dominating the ball for the Hawks. Just owning it, for large stretches, forcing either a potential score or a potential assist to be added to his ledger just about every other time down court.

On top of that, didn’t we watch him age quite considerably in the playoffs last season? Johnson averaged 11.8 points per game in the second round, shooting a terrifying 29.5 percent along the way. He seemed nonplussed as ever as his Hawks fell out of the second round again, and for the second time in five years, he’s chosen big offseason money over a chance at a championship.”

Ouch.

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If any team is dumb enough to give the Hawks something of value for Bibby and Marvin, the Hawks should take it and throw a party.

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Monta Ellis is not a point guard — he is more like a better version of Jamal Crawford — but I’d gladly take him and the $44 million left on his contract if all the Hawks have to give up is Bibby and Marvin. At least Ellis is a good player with trade value.

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I said it last night in the ESPN chat that since I know media-types, I knew the Hawks would be criticized by them in either case; whether they signed him to a max deal or refused to do so, and let him leave . . .

For the record, I think it is too much.

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Najeh,

I’d hate to take on Ellis’ contract w/o trading Jamal. If they move Marvin and Bibby to clear cap space, I’m hoping they bolster the front line.

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theres your links

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Drew

It’s the peoples bolg! “If you don’t like it? Then turn your station. (-mike tyson-)”

CDOG

Naw! Not me man, I am the team doc for a Women’s Pro Football Team though:
Shout out to the: Atlanta Xplosion 2006 National Champions! We play LA, Texas, Orlando, Dallas, Miami &
NC to name a few! Check out the Website!

Soul_Star!

Yeah, I just read about Alabi on rotoworld.com and they reported he slipped to #50 in the
NBA Draft due to a + Hepatitis B test….iam surprised that got out due to HIPPA laws.
But, you may know a little more about the treatment success rates. I found that very
Interesting to say the least! I guess his major symptom would be fatigue among others.

I don’t deal much with this topic, but I plan to read some abstracts later tonight, to see what the
current treatment protocols are. Would love to hear your expertise on it as well.

Thanks for your response! You are an asset to this blog & you are appreciated!

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also ho to the hawks forums they seem to have the updates

http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php/forum/1-homecourt/

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Sign and trade JJ for Gilbert. Gilbert is a crunch time scorer, is a year younger, and only has 4 years left on a max deal that pays the same as Joe’s.

Don’t give me the gun-charge thing, before that and the injury, Gilbert was considered a top 5 shooting guard in the league, definitely above Joe Johnson

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Please Gilbert is a chucker.

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After years of hard work we are once again the laughing stock of NBA. Every website out there is saying how stupid this deal is. Thumbs up! Hope you guys plan on selling a lot of those Chick-fil-A family ticket plans. Why don’t we go ahead and put the Globetrotters on this years schedule as well?

I give up trying to take this team serious.

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From what it says on those twitter accounts, it looks like the Hawks would be moving Marvin and possibly Bibby for cap space, which Ellis wouldn’t provide. I’d be surprised if any team was dumb enough to give the Hawks something of value for Marvin and/or Bibby. Marvin for Dan Gadzuric (whose contract is expiring) seems a lot more likely than anything bringing Ellis here.

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Swapping Marvin for Gadzuric — saving future cap space and adding an energy big man off the bench in the process — would probably increase the likelihood of the Hawks matching any offers Childress gets.

It could also open the door for them pursuing someone like Ronnie Brewer or Josh Howard, who are unrestricted free agents and could step in to replace Marvin at small forward.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded Marvin for draft picks. We need his salary off the books ASAP.

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If there is a S&T in the wings then signing on the dotted line is the first step. Let’s just wait & see how things unfold. It’s funny though to watch all these media outlets clamoring over the free-agent bonanza, these guys are gonna take their time after all they did wait quite a while to get to this point. As we sports fans know the dominoes won’t fall into place until Lebron inks his deal. Though Bosh may jump in head first to be on a playoff team, wish we had some extra cash to throw at him or anyone. Oh my bag, Sund is in charge no wonder we don’t have anything to offer anybody.

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If shooting happened 3 min AFTER Vick left, how is he a suspect??? Just curious. Dumb azz shouldnt’ve been there, but just sayin.

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Marvin leaves for draft picks or expirings and Chills comes back home. Simple.

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Hey Najeh have you seen Gadzuric’s playoff stats 2.7 ppg-3.4 rpg-0.1 apg. Not exactly the “QuickerFixerUpper ” we need a the center spot.

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I’m a Soul_Star!

Yeah baby girl, I had to stop taking to these looney tunes. A total waste iof
Valueable time IMO. Viral-Serum got kicked to the curb yesterday – you never know
who you’re talking to with that narcissistic – sociopath. (he’s either gonna hurt himself or others)
Don’t want that mess on my clean hands. Turn that over to a higher power!

All these other people, I haver never heard of & I have learned so much
from Ken Strickland (the capologist) and Astro Joe and many other ICONS -
too many to name ? OBRIEN, Blu-Ray, MC., Vava, Grand-Daddy, Manny T. & of course
I’m a SOUL-STAR, Etc.

We don’t always agree – but, we RESPECT each others varied and valid opinions!
Great character bloggers!

BWIBO. (blogging with iconic bloggers only)

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You the Joe Johnson deal is not that bad but did see what the stupid Timberwolves gave Darko 20 mill now that is the dumbest move of all time.

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Ouch !!!!! Have you guys read the YAHOO Sports arcticle on J.J. by Kelly Dwyer !!! Ouch !!!!! Talk about brutal, I thought this blog was harsh. Their comparing our offer to J.J. to Eddie Curry’s current deal. Trajic Trajedy !!!!!

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If we get anything for Marvin I’d be happy. Hell, I’d be happy if we did not get anything back. At least I would not have to look at him stumbling, and getting his shot blocked by point guards. You could pay any free-agent out of college $200,000 to give us what he does. Hope the Hawks get it done.

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Jesse,

You DO realize (don’t you?) that in order to do a sign and trade with the Wizards, that Joe would have to WANT to go there?

Can you truly imagine that?

Hint: he’s an UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. Key word: UNRESTRICTED

Which means it’s NOT up to the Hawks where he goes.

Geez. -sigh-

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The Hawks finally show some guts, and the blog erupts with disbelief. Rememner, the Hawks were able to trade Sheldon Williams, so there are teams with which they can make a deal to get oplayers to go along with JJ.

They have a plan, and we should give them time to execute the plan before we jump on, and complain about every step of the plan.

Individually, the steps (1st being JJ at max, which they have to do to keep him) may not look promising, but let’s see what else is coming.

Once the smoke clears, we can evaluate the changes.

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@ReddJonn68, they have to write something, and most times they’re going to favor a piece that’s going to attract attention instead of an informative piece. I wouldn’t put to much though into the article…It’s their opinion. They just happen to get paid for sharing it with us. Doesn’t make it more right than ours.

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terrell
(Don’t call me te-relle!). Another ICONIC blogger. ‘fo reel!

Yeah man, allegedly the shooting occurred one block away and it came from the direction of Vicks vehicle?
His Lawyer told investigators that Vick was long – gone before the shooting, but the restaurant’s surveillance video proves that was not the case! Thus, 207 AM vs 210 AM.

Allegedly at the party, Vick’s fiance was feeding him some birthday cake (like a bride and groom), when
Quanis shoved her hand into Vick’s face. After, that incident Vick and his crew left…
apparently at 207 AM. Allegedly, Roddy White was with him, but I hope NOT and IDK about that at all.
But, apparently he was interviewed and supported Vick’s initial story re: being long gone?

The whole incident smells like “Hot Garbage!”.

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Roland, if other players on the team does things that he does, better than him, why do we need him? I’m listening.

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If someone shoved my wife’s hand into my face, I might pull out the glock my dam. self. lol!

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Roland, I think we’re trying to clear up space for players that can ACTUALLY PLAY. So we’re not trading him away for nothing.

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And we might land us a backup big with an expiring in the process.

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Rod, I knew you’d come around if we were discussing a possible trade involving Marvin. lol!

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@Jay Dubu just check out the article they do have their facts together as stated by tdkflorida.

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New blog is up by the way…

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Rod from College Park,

Marvin is 24 years old, it’s foolish to think that he has peaked at this point in his career, and most of us don’t have an accurate idea of how effective he’d be in a system that placed him with a larger offensive role. In terms of speed, keep in mind that Marvin is 6′9″ with weight ranging between 235 and 240 lbs. He’s basically the size of a PF, yet he is capable of guarding positions 2 – 4 (SG, SF, PF). He is an underrated 1 vs. 1 defender. If you watch game tape closely, he usually does a pretty effective job of guarding players of his same natural position (SF). Also, the guy is pretty athletic and has shown flashes of talent over the years, I just think he is missing the passion and motivation to really develop that talent. He hasn’t been able to flourish yet in atlanta, which isn’t that surprising to me, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he ended up being an effective starter on a lower tier team.

Also, you mention that you saw just about everyone on the team, except for Mike Bibby beat him up the floor. I’m not sure how true this is, but the statement is not that surprising considering most of the guys he plays alongside are guards, with the exception of Al and Josh. So, honestly, those guys should be beating him up the floor. Also, Josh and Al are exceptionally quick for their positions, so it’s not necessarily an insult to Marvin if those guys look superior to him in physical ability. Lastly, I think Marvin’s slow trotting at times is more a result of his lack of motivation than his physical ability.

Do you remember how Marvin played during the latter portion of the ‘08 – ‘09 season when JJ was out due to injury? I was actually pretty impressed. He was very aggressive on offense and even managed to get to the free throw line with consistency. That’s another one of his upsides. I definitely think he’s a guy with pockets of potential in various areas, but I’m unsure of whether he’ll ever truly develop and utilize his skills to the fullest extent. I think Marvin needs someone to rekindle his fire and push him harder, and I doubt Atlanta is the place where that will happen. Marvin is somewhat of a big gamble, you can’t really tell what you are going to get out of him. But as a 5th option, I wouldn’t expect much, which is why I think trading him is not a bad idea. Still, he’s not just a player you throw away, so the trade better be worthwhile.

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JJ’s contract of 2010 = John Koncak’s contract of the 80’s

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@ drmaryb To be totally honest that’s why I mentioned that they put Eddie Currry’s name in the same article as Joe to show the point of view other than our Hawk’s fans. As I said before Trajic Trajedy !!!!!

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I disagree Luke Cage, Magic fans are crying foul like a lot Hawks fans after the playoffs did you see some of the stuff they wrote about Lewis after his playoff disapperance !!

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Redjohn68

Neither did a long list of other so called superstars. If you’re talking about scoring?
Ray Allen completely disappeared after Game 1, KG was no where to be found!
Paul Pierce sucked too. Their Bench Play, HC, Rondo and team defense took them as far as they could go!

Kobe had 11 assist in Game 7, but couldn’t throw a rock on the ocean. Artest won game 7,

We can do this all day,

LeBron just flat out stopped playing and sulked to everyone’s
chagrin! Something about team chemistry and DeLonte West doing his Mother. Eric Snow
Said it to adnauseum-sp, “What is wrong with the alleged Best Player in the World?”

In time outs, he was sitting away from the team and POUTING!
Tim Duncan faded hard, Dwight was a super-bust against Charlotte and averaged 3 pts per game from the bench. He was even worse against Boston – because his team got beat down by old guys!

You can spread poor play-off performances around like peanut butter on white bread!
Only one team WON! I don’t see anyone trading their stars and we only have 1!

Joe plays with no PG and no true Center! So, what were you saying? H E L L O!

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THANKS, tryin to explain that for weeks but all they can see is JOE don’t deserve this and JOE don’t deserve that

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@Luke Cage Ahh Pierce has a RING and the year he won it Rondo didn’t do jack, when we stop making excuses for Joe maybe we’ll get a little more productivity when it actually counts. Now that he’s gonna get paid, can he just give us some return on our investment !!!

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I am sorry, but doesn’t this not worry anyone about their willingness to spend more money when a very desirable Al Horford will be on the market and maybe willing and looking to leave?

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Pass on Joe. Let Drew run the show and let’s move forward!

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There’s a rumor out on RealGM.com stating the Hawks are shopping forward Marvin Williams, according to a report in the San Francisco Chronicle. Golden State has contacted Atlanta about Williams and the Warriors could call the Rockets if Trevor Ariza and Shane Battier hit the trading block.

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worst idea ever. really…………..??

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this move puts the hawks in a situation to repeat last year. the problem with that is repeating last year isn’t enough for me to purchase season tickets again. i love the fact that the team improved each year. but the lack of a go to guy in the playoffs scares me away from spending anymore of my dollars. yes that are finally back to competing in the nba but with what expectations. are they only wanting regular season success or do they want to make a solid run. i know it takes time to build a good team but this seems to be a step back vs forward.

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rondo, i am not angry.its all in fun.i don’t have problems with you.i think you do a tremendous job with you’re blogs.keep up the good works.have blessed late and tommorow.

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I don’t get why the hawks are doing this all our other guys are young, we could still rebuild, this move will guarantee we won’t have a title contender for the next 7 years

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At this point, all I can hope is that JJ falls on his head and, stunned, turns down the Hawks’ offer. What a horrible set of handcuffs management has put on this team for the next forever number of years. Better they had let this tier II player leave for another city. Damn!

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Bad deal. We didn’t get out of the 2nd round with him this year and if we pay him the max then we probably will not be able to add anybody else. With the same team as last year, then we can’t expect any giant steps in performance.

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I can’t believe the hawks are going to pay that much money for a guy who fails to show up especially during playoffs. I hope this is a sign an trade. Can you imagine the fans booing him for non performance this year. We could get two players for that money.

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Once again the Hawks do something stupid. What else is new? They let Wilkins go in a trade for freakin’ Danny Manning….now they want us to embrace a total winer and quitter….Joe Johnson will never be a superstar #1 or even #2….he plays with no heart….the Hawks will never challenge for a Championship with him on the roster!!!!

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This is the stupidest thing EVER…$119 million for one guy, six years.

Say goodbye to extending Horford’s contract, and to picking up decent free agents in years to come.

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The Hawks will never win because they make deals like this with JJ. He is not worth even half of the offer. Let his bad attitude go somewhere else and be overpaid. The Hawks management/ownership doesnt know the game and this act is from fear not control.

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Who’s letting JJ rob the bank in Atlanta?? He ought to be arrested for impersonating a Super Star!

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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/4/

CP3 to Portland trade proposal down near the middle. Thats it? Andre Miller, Pryzbilla, Bayliss and a pick? man. thats cheap for a superstar.

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JJ won’t take this deal. He’s tired of the city and the fans booing him. He’ll go to the Knicks.

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Insane..

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What a colossal waste of money on a lazy thug.

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How I wish someone – ANYONE – would buy the Hawks and the ASG would just GO AWAY!!!!!

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Would a package around Teague and Marvin get CP3 in a Hawks uni?? Need more… How about next years 1st round pick?? If the money doesn’t work… whynot throw in Zaza or the rights to J-Chill?

Everyone of you is hesitant to give up Teague in the deal, but he will have even less playing time to develop if CP3 come to the ATL. Plus, I think he would entice New Orleans to make that deal.

Chris Paul would fit into LD’s point guard led offense, take pressure off JJ, and improve the play of Josh Smith (i.e. Tyson Chandler)…. Oh yeah, I forgot… AND MAKE US A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER!

CP3 Bibby
JJ Jo. Crawford
Ja. Crawford Mo Evans
Smoooooove
Horford (Mid-Level Exception for a Big-man, C or PF)

ASG and Rick, Please make this deal!

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bobbito!!
u better get bibby out of your mouth,this is teagues time and his year..trust..
he will be fine and if we do get cp3 most likely teague will back him up..if not,teague will start..
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icecold!!
i like that trade but we need to keep marvin williams..
this guys upside was hampared by the coach..
when joe was out for 4 or 5 games,marvin averaged 29+ppg,14FT attempts,and shot almost 50% from the field..What drew will do is start an inside out game with the hawks and joes points will go down dramatically,watch and see..

and horford needs to move back to the PF spot..no more playing the 5!!

AND DON’T FORGET,ONLY 3 THINGS WILL HAPPEN WITH JOE JOHNSON..
1.HE’LL SIGN AND PLAY WITH ATLANTA..
2.HE’LL DO A SIGN AND TRADE DEAL WITH THE HAWKS..
3.HE’LL SIGN WITH ANOTHER TEAM..

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Sometimes it can be very disheartening to be a Hawks fan. This is one of those times when it is especially hard … not because of the JJ deal, but because, as a Hawks fan, I will automatically be associated with the most pessimistic biggest bunch of ***** *** whiners known to the sports world.

Now, let’s get JJ wrapped up, see if we can make a couple of other moves to bring in a bit more depth, and most importantly, GO HAWKS!!!

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I have been following the Hawks since the 70’s and this team has as much promise as any team in the history of the franchise since moving to Atlanta. I am typically let down by the negativity of Atlanta sports fans, so am not surprised at this blog about Ju Ju Joe. The guys scores 20+ points a game, plays excellent defense and doesn’t shoot people at night clubs. Granted, he is not a floor leader or motivator, which prevents him from becoming a player like Kobe, Wade, LeBron or Pierce. Horford can be the guy we need in that role. Locking him up as an anchor for 6 years would be a great thing.

With the Woody thing taken care of and Billy Knight gone, no bad blood still exists to prevent Childress from resigning. He can play 2 or 3 and provides additional energy off the bench. Won’t affect salary cap or luxury tax as he is already counting against the cap as a restricted free agent with a qualifying offer.

So, we need a center for matchups like Dwight Howard. Yep. Sign Shaq for a reasonable amount of money with the pitch to ‘come win a championship’.

Could that group be as good as anyone in the league?

Teague/Bibby/Jamal
Joe/Jamal/Jordan Crawford
Marvin/Chillz/Joe
Josh/Joe Smith/Othello/Horford
Horford/Zaza/Shaq

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This has to be the most retarded move I’ve seen.. giving a 2nd-rate player a 1st-rate NBA salary. Johnson is a great player but he is not on the same level as a LeBron, Dewayne or Kobe. With salaries like this a lockout is inevitable.

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