Atlanta Hawks: J.J. squeezed out of the big summit?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1706417/wade-reps-dispute-espn-report.html

Read Michael.

There was no summit according to Wade.

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oooh eric you got owned by MC.. good job MC.. also i definitely believe this is collusion and i dont understand why Stern is not dropping the hammer on this

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I did get owned, my mistake.

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I read where Wade wants Boozer [friend] to play with him.
*(in Miami)
**Bosh once again suckin’ hind teat.
***NY Knicks tryin’ to pair JJ & [Amare].
[cannot remember where the apostrophe goes]
****Dirk just opted out.

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What is Dirks contract going to look like? Isnt he getting up there in years? Im not saying for the hawks. I was just wondering.

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Sherman Douglas anyone?

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Hawks should trade Marvin, but the problem is these dummies signed him to too much money. Now no one wants to take on that salary for a bum player.

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Adam, it can’t be collusion if you are a player. It does not work that way. Ask any union member.

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The current crop of NBA free agents really warm the heart. They all of out to maximize themselves. I miss the Larry Bird, Kareem, Dr. J days.

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Oh Yeah, -MC-

I know your job is to report & MB + JS’ jobs are to…
-opine-
but, any comments on my conspiracy theory [#1].
-or-
an opinion of your own [JUST] for your “blog people.

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MC, a non free agency question, what happened to the supposed announcing of the summer league roster? Did that not happen and is there any better idea of who will be on the roster, such as hopefully the last 4 draft picks–Teague, Gladyr, Crawford, Sy–as well as Cenk Akyol to see what he’s got, and I’ve read Landon Milbourne also.

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Players cannot collude, people. Get it through your heads. If you and three of your friends who work at various fast food restaurants (and are all considered very hard workers) decide that you are all going to apply at KFC – where you are fairly sure you will all be hired – would that be collusion too?? No…as MC said, if you aren’t setting the prices or writing the checks you aren’t colluding nor can you.

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I dont usually believe a word mr smith reports! I dont believe JJ will turn down the MONEY , he will be a hawk.
if childress gets an offer how does that play in with the hawks can anybody offer him while his rights are owned by the hawks .
I am catching up with all this stuff and way behind

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Does Cenk Akyol really exist?
-or-
Is he only a figment of our imagination?

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Sportshouse.com

Money aside, if Marvin is a bum? Who should the Hawks trade him to – A Bum Lover?
Where do these ignorant statements come from – if you are so smart?

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Maybe players can’t collude but what does the union think of players attempting to manipulate things? Basketball’s labor market has so many rules, and the union helped establish them. Players attempting to distort the market can adversely impact all other players in that market.

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I hear that LeBron is a super loyal young man. He still is with his high school girlfriend and his high school buddies are his agents and has built a mansion in his hometown. Add all that up and I think it would be hard for Lebron to leave Cleveland…His Home.

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How’s the elbow Lebron? Last I saw you play, it wasn’t good, and the resulted play was not worth MAX $$ for that playoff performance. So, how’s the elbow?

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Mary Ellen & Ken S

Ken uses way to much logic & reasoning for Sund.
Reckon yawl can tell I’m pissed @ Sund.

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JJ said he would play with another star and do whatever it takes, because he wants to win a championship. I know that most players say that, but JJ is 29 (unlike 5 years ago when he left Phoenix to come here), so this might be his last chance to sign with a team that he knows will do whatever it takes to compete for a championship.

Is there anything in the Hawks history that suggests they will do whatever it takes to win a championship? What kind of coach did they hire? A journeyman 16 year assistant. Have they used the mid-level or bi-annual recently? Nope. Where is Chills? In Greece. And as we have seen, fans need to come out and support the team before they go into luxury tax (or the team has to make a deep playoff run).

New York might not be a good team right now, but their ownership is not afraid to spend the money to go into luxury tax, and they have D’Antoni who JJ likes. Plus they can afford 2 big name FA (Stoudemire maybe). The Bulls may try and avoid luxury tax, but they have an all star PG, a good center, a good SF, and a hot shot new coach. And they can afford 2 big name FA. Miami has DWade, Pat Riley, and the money to sign another big name FA.

What does ATL have to offer JJ in terms of winning a championship? Not much. I think all we have over the other teams is the money. And iif JJ really wants the money, his agent can try to negotiate and sign and trade deal. And I think the Hawks will be forced to try and oblige.

I like Larry Drew, I hope he does well, and I hope JJ comes back. But I’m not convinced that a 6 year max deal will bring him back. Not when teams like Houston and Dallas have expressed some interest in a sign and trade.

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Everybody saw what Boston did with The Big Three – So, the formula and flavor of the day is:
It takes THREE!

If these young egotistical three? LBj, Wade & Bosh believe that they
can be KG, Pierce & Allen? They’re kidding themselves!

Boston succeeded with a lot more than three! It was more like
15 on 15 and great ownership along with great coaching!
If Miami signs these three circumventors? They will be 3 down and 12 to go.

I can see terrible Chemistry erupting – when things go bad?
Who will they blame? Themselves or each other?

Get your popcorn and cherry cokes! It’s gonna be a real good show.

Again, as I eluded to earlier! Character will always – determine destiny.
I also, eluded to the every man for himself theory and that Joe
would be the one screwed in the end!

I recommend, Joe looks out for Joe and his Family alone. They have his best interest at heart!
If Miami (which I doubt) could sign all three, who will want to play with these guys?
They will always get all the credit and none of the blame, when things go
Great and Bad! Miami only has 19 Million under their cap! Will these three split
6.333 Million equally? ROF. LOL. If that ever happens.

People, stop reading the Press and Rumors! Just hold on till midnight tomorrow!

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I got a few quick questions would somebody ANYBODY respond to. Is anybody sick of hearing where lebron is going to g in the first place? He is never going to be the player david stern wants him to be. kobe took a step-back 3pointer in teh corner during the finals and it was crazy becuse we all know lebron would have never took teh shot. 2nd question with the roster the hawks have woudlnt you think they are in just as good of shape at the bulls. We have all the pieces in place all we need is someone like say a D-Wade. Im sorry but joe johnson is a b list nba player. he scored all teh pints because he ws the closest thing we had to a scorer. He cant carry a team though or impose his will on a opposing team. yes miami would be loaded with the addition of these three but the hawks with D-wade would be just as good.

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I think people just like to say “sign and trade”. It’s the same as football’s “skinny post”.

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drmaryb

Do I get some of that max$$ out of a settlement? If so, then yes. Yes, elbow away

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FLASH! Immediate impact on the S.E. division:

WASHINGTON WIZARDS have just acquired the mighty YI JIANLIAN and 3 million from the lowly NETS for one QUINTON ROSS (a two guard) and the WIZ’ 4.5 million exception. This all but assures a “great leap forward” in the D.C. club’s standings within the division. The grand five-year master plan is in full swing in Washington. They’ve begun building the great “WALL” toward a championship.

Look out HAWKS. PECHULIA must be shaking in his size 17’s. Woooo!

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richbrave they still got to take away Agent Zero’s guns

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dawglasville

June 29th, 2010
2:57 pm
If they can meet and decide their outcomes then more power to them. I’ve always had more respect for lifers with a team (Nique, Tony Gwynn, Dr. J, Csonka, Barry Larkin

DR.J wasn’t a lifer for the 76ers. He was an ABA VIRGINIA SQUIRE first. I should know. I saw him in person several times his rookie season here in RICHMOND. Me, my young bride, and 83 other people. I actually counted one game. The young man was just phenomenal. One of my most cherished. But I’m guessing you don’t count his ABA play.

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yeah, the Nets are trying to clear enough space to sign 2 big names.

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Alpha-Dog! Roo – Roo ….

Kobe would never play with 2 Alpha’s nor 2 Q – Dogs either. Heck, he never even went to College!

Kobe and everybody else knows who will take that last shot – but, you still can’t stop it!
He is such a do-it-your selfer he ran Shaq outa town!

If these three go to Miami? Who will take that shot to win it all! More importantly,
Who will take the blame if it doesn’t go down?

G-Daddy

Hello baby! I saw your Hoax! Just herd ‘Em my way – I’ll Snap ‘Em up! LOL!
Mmmmwah! Call me soon! Wink. T

ell Mrs. Grand – Daddy – No Worries!

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Alpha-Dog! Roo – Roo ….

Kobe would never play with 2 Alpha’s nor 2 Q – Dogs either. Heck, he never even went to College!

Kobe and everybody else knows who will take that last shot – but, you still can’t stop it!
He is such a do-it-your selfer he ran Shaq outa town!

If these three go to Miami? Who will take that shot to win it all! More importantly,
Who will take the blame if it doesn’t go down?

G-Daddy

Hello baby! I saw your Hoax! Just herd ‘Em my way – I’ll Snap ‘Em up! LOL!
Mmmmwah! Call me soon! Wink ;0

Tell Mrs. Grand – Daddy – No Worries!

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I don’t see Joe going to NY. They might have an owner who is willing to spend money but has he spent it wisely since he has been the owner? Spending money and spending money wisely is two different things. The Knicks roster is horrible. Two max players wont do much for them at all. I don’t think they will get who they want anyway. D’Antoni is not the coach everyone thought he was. If Joe goes to NY it wont be because he thinks they will be contenders for a ring soon because they wont. As much criticism the Hawks get, they are a lot closer than the Knicks are.

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Dallas tryin’ to put together their own ‘Big Three’.
*Dirk
*Joe
*Amare

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Drmaryb, I’m sorry but they would be playing for Pat Riley. Pat Riley was the first superstar coach of the modern NBA. If Pat Riley could work with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and everyone else, I’m sure he can work with these three. And the owner had enough guts to trade his entire front court and more for Shaq. That lead to a championship. So I’m sure they can put the pieces together from a front office stand point. Actually, I would have more faith in their front office then I would in Boston’s.

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J.J.’s birthday today. Did y’all call to man to wish him a Happy 29th Birthday?

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cp,

This is the first time in years that new York was a competent manager in Donnie Walsh. So he will help the owner make better selections money wise.

Plus the Knicks also have Eddy curry’s expiring contract, and they can do a sign and trade for David Lee.

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Ham – Hawks

Is that the only way you can make money? Charles Barkley can also throw you through a plate glass window.
Get a real job!

Or, better yet…Post a real Blog! One that will add some intellect to the grown folks conversation.

Help! When is the kids Summer Break over? They really need to stay in school year round.
What is Georgia’s CRCT Score rankings in the Nation?

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Ramon
Yeah it would be nice if all three of those guys could play together, but who would be the other players coming off the bench, remember who won the championship for the Lakers..Ron Artest not Kobe. Bosh,Wade and Lebron can’t do it by themself. Flash to next years championship game Lakers versus Heat. Gasol handles Bosh, Artest slows down Lebron, and Kobe put the breaks on Wade..The Heat would still have to have those players that does the little things.The Lakers got them the Heat won’t.

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If the Hawks sigh Joe to a max deal that will spell DOOM 4 this franchise. If they do it I am officially a full time fan of the Thunder.

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richbrave I wasn’t counting the ABA but it was cool that you got to see him in that venue.

jroc I know that Wilkens was traded for Manning. He also played in Europe. No biggie. I should have clarified. My point was Dominique wasn’t looking to go anywhere. He was happy building for a championship here. When guys like Carl Malone go and sign for a ring just for the sake of a ring it seems hollow to me. Again, it is their lives.

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It doesn’t surprise me if these guys did have the “summit” after all Stern had to admit during the finals that player to player interaction is not tampering. This is a solid move if these guys actually did this, it is their futures that is on the plate. As for Joe he’s gonna get his cheese, no matter where it is.If these young guys do land in Miami, there won’t be help coming for a lot of years, if they pay those max salaries. Don’t forget Dirk is still out there, we could do a sign and trade for Joe, shipping him and Marvin for Dirk & a center or Caron. Either way it all goes down, we still have slight chance of improving this team. Whether or not Joe was snubbed from the “summit” Joe is going to get paid !!!!

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If all thats true about loyalty then JJ needs to resign with the hawks because they gave him the chance to be the fools gold that he is today and coming to Atl helped him to have a relationship with his father.

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Remember how many Atlanta folks wanted Yi or Conley over Horford in 2007?

At least BK got that one right, and only because we got lucky and kept our pick that year.

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Grandad, Sund better pick re-signing JJ. The Hawks can sign JJ, and still trade him next off-season if things look dim, because he will still be viewed as an All Star.

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I’m finding it hard to get excited about a S&T that has a 4-time All Star leaving and about $8M in players returning. At best, we get to watch Joe play well for 3-4 years and then when he starts to struggle around the 2014-2015 season, we get to sit back with righteous indignation and say “I told you so” By that time, both Sund AND the ASG may no longer be involved with the Hawks.

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Some say resign, some say sign & trade. I say its up to Joe if he wants to stay,resign. If he wants to go, sign him & ship his #ss out and improve your team for the future.

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Ramon:
May not be Sund’s choice.
Besides,
Joe’s got alot of tread on those tires.
Depends,
on what Sund can get.

He comes out with Haywood & Beaubois + perhaps
even Caron Butler if creative enough, then
are we better off or not, w/o JJ ?
Sumpthin’ to ponder ??
Heck Beaubois + [either/or] & I’m on board

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Rondo – Whose, not who’s. “Who’s” is a contraction of “who is.”

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Astro Joe::

That’s why you get a piece to help now…
a Big = Haywood
plus a piece for the future to continue
building around J & A.
Not to say that RB couldn’t contribute now, as well.

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Astro Joe – I failed to state the future piece
being beaubois.

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Rondo

Please explain, I’m not sure I follow ?

“Grandad a true hater of today’s athlete who’s attitude of professionalism his generation created.Kind of bigoted
isn’t it.”

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Beaubois, Crawford, and Crawford. That would be three 2-guards (Beaubois is really a 2 guard -think Ben Gordon), and neither one of the three plays defense. Not only was Joe our best offensive player, he was also the best perimeter defender we had on the team. Remember many times Joe had to guard the opposing team’s PG. Imagine how much better he will be when he’s allowed to guard the team’s 2 guard instead of chasing smaller players around. And Joe legs may be heavy from minutes being played, but he is still a player who is great at avoiding injury considering how often the ball is in his hands. On some teams, Joe isn’t worth the max. But on THIS team, Joe is worth the max. If Marvin, Bibby, and Crawford weren’t overpaid there wouldn’t be any question about giving Joe the deal. So allow the GM to be creative and getting rid of those three deals, while still keeping your 2nd best player (on the court Josh is still the team’s best player I don’t care what anyone says).

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@MC, Yahoo is reporting:
WojYahooNBA Brian Shaw has spent the early afternoon making calls to put together a coaching staff for Cavs, sources say.

Is Coach Drew hiring a staff or did the ASG only commit to paying a single coach for the next few seasons?

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@hawfan2 – Gearon jr. said it himself, and got fined for it – for the right players, they’ll pay the max. If Joe persuaded Bron, Wade or (maybe) Bosh to come to ATL and sign for the max with him, they’d be greeted with open arms. They’re not going to spend if there’s any risk at all, but if you hand-deliver a bona-fide star, they’ll open the checkbooks.

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G-Daddy

Joe didn’t leave Phoenix because they couldn’t win a ring, or didn’t have a PG or C?
He left Phoenix, for a couple reasons,t he main reason he gave was he did NOT want
to play out WEST!

Welcome, EAST coast! That put him closer to his Family in Arkansas so that they could
Finally get to see him play in person. Since then, he has moved key Family members to
Atlanta. They are all settled here now!

WEST coast teams does not appear to be a desire. Besides, he can make more money in Atlanta.
(See Bird Rule)

How many times does this need to be said G-Daddy? LOL! You’re gonna get a spanking!

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Grandad, if at any point in the past few years, someone had suggested trading Joe for Haywood, well, let’s just say they should have been rushed to the nearest Dr. Drew reality show.

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With all the talk about change, I’m gonna get verbally assaulted for this I’m sure..

But do you guys sincerely think that this team, as currently constructed (JJ included), can’t make it past the second round if 1) Drew turns out to be a quality coach (solves issue of lockerroom chemistry, motivates players to play efficiently, etc.), 2) Teague has a breakout season, 3) The Hawks acquire a quality big man to back up Horford and defend the likes of Dwight Howard and 4) Childress returns to come off the bench or replace Marvin as starting SF???

And I’m gonna go out a limb and say it.. Barring injury, there’s just no way Marvin performs next season the way he did this season (that’s me assuming we saw him at his worst).

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Mary Ellen

OH BOY !!!

Now Dallas is closer to LR Ark. than any other NBA city
with the possible exception of Memphis.
I’ll check Map-quest on that one.
Now Mary ellen, I did teach Geography for quite a # of yrs.
Plus,
last time I checked…Dallas was not on the west coast.
However, if I keep on, I fear that I shall incur your wrath.
-and-
That scares me & I’m fearless !

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Astro Joe:

Well, that’s not exactly what I’m suggesting.
Just,
I’d rather get somethin’ than nuthin’.

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Yeah, any sign and trade with Dallas that includes Joe Johnson needs to include Beaubois (or however you spell his name). Dallas might act up about it, but I’d accept no less.

The next question is do you go for Haywood or Butler? I don’t think we can get both. The only reason I say that is because I think all you can take back in a S&T is roughly half of the outgoing salary. Butler makes over $10 mil by himself.

If I’m wrong, somebody correct me on that….

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O’Brien trust me I feel you but I still don’t see the Knicks being any good any time soon. Walsh is a very respected GM but I don’t remember him doing so well before he left Indiana. Maybe it was more of Bird’s doing than Walsh but either way the Pacers weren’t looking to good under him before he left.

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Big Ray @ 1:43 PM
That’s how it can be done.
Just change the names to protect the innocent.

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How many championships does Donnie Walsh have?

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Big Ray, the salary exchange on a S&T depends on whether the team that wants Joe is over or under the cap and whether or not Joe wants to sign a full-Bird rights max deal or a smaller max deal. Search this blog because MC and his capologist buddies have covered it ad nauseum and makes my head spin to think about all the options. Bottom line is it’s really up to Joe, not the Hawks, as to whether that comes into play.

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Ouch!My Eye My Eye! Is there a DOCTOR in the house! The Devil wears Prada and she struck me in the eye!oooouuuuccchhhh!

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D Hawks

Gotcha. OH, and it always has been Joe’s choice. I don’t understand why people don’t get that he is in pretty much complete control with this situation.

Grandad ,

I gotcha, LOL.

On the Dallas trade, I actually wanted Dominique Jones in the first place, to be honest.

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With Dirk opting out
does…
that effect S&T’s ?
&
the amounts of monies/salaries that can be exchanged ?

In other words was opting out [by Dirk] a ploy
to manipulate and exploit ways Dallas could
operate under the cap and within the system ?

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Big Ray

I still say somethin’ is funny about
Jordan C. not being intro’d to the Atl.

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D Hawks

Dallas media
rumors rampant!

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Who were these people watching in the playoffs?

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Rondo

Again – please explain.
“bigoted remark”
from last page.

I did not follow.

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JJ is a tier 2 free agent, why would you invite a tier 2 free agent to the G3 summit.

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Joe Johnson’s not in the same class as those guys, so I see no reason he should be included.

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Rondo

Hate & bigotry ?
c’mon.
Maybe my choice of words *could* have been
sick of the *media’s constant barrage*
-of-
‘bron bron’.
However, I will not apologize for I said,
“the lad had done nuthin’ wrong” *paraphrase.
The media berated us with Bonds, Vick, Roth, & A-Rod,
as well. I got sick of the constancy of the same thing
every-day. We’ve been hearin’ the LbJ hyperbole for…
??? what two years now. Well it’s here, we are seeing
the crescendo, only problem is we’ve been innundated
for so long, who cares anymore.
Hate, Bigotry:
You do not know me well enough to use those words
in connection with me young man. I should hope
I never hear them again.
Read the whole of what a Man says.
Understand the context in which it comes forth.
I will let it go this once.
It happens again, it will be an insult to my mother.
I think your a good hearted young man, so am I.
However, I suggest, you should not rile me.

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Those guys are game changers, why invite an oil changer to this exclusive meeting.

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“Joe Johnson’s not in the same class as those guys, so I see no reason he should be included.”

Joe is absolutely in the same class as Bosh, who has quickly become one of the most overrated players in the league. Joe has accomplished more than Bosh in his career, plain and simple.

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Rondo

You are so correct.
Only reason I lumped him in was media barrage.
See above…..^….. what I think of espn.

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Eric got bitch slapped by MC. Eric tell MC how is ass tastes. Oohh.

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Haywood is UNRESTRICTED fellas.

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Pape Sy didn’t look bad at all on that clip. Thanks cp.

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Will Pape Sy ever suit up for the Hawks is the question?

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Grand-Daddy

“Whup dat Trick!”

Rondo really is a disrespectful kid. this blog has no room for racism. Take that Ish to the Falcons blog, where they breed that ignorance.

All men are created equal. If you don’t know this by now? Then, blame your ignorant parents! we don’t hold school on here, this is a grown folks blog!

MC & Blue-Ray has the most intelligent bloggers in the world! We will eliminate you – if you don’t straighten up and fly right.

Grand-Daddy, I still got some “Gnat – Be – Gone” spray left over, shall I gas – him now or later?

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You are one ignorant fool drmaryb No one mentioned anything about rascism Tell me are you a doctor or a patient.

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Najeh,

I am a GT fan, but I agree. The only thing Bosh has over JJ is his age. JJ is a very good defender of his position, and he makes other people better. You cannot say the same about bosh.

Ramon,

If you judge GMs and team presidents by championships, then how many of them have won?

You wouldn’t take the GM or president from Utah? What about OKC? How many championship have they won?

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When the Hawks are back in the lottery again because you “so called Fans” are Hating that Joe shouldn’t get this or Joe shouldn’t get that. I hope you all will be happy then.

Like I said yesterday, who cares if Joe signs for $150million, ITS NOT MY MONEY OR YOURS!!!, if your boss came to you or another employer came to you offering you to be the highest paid employees you all know you will jump at it and laugh all the way to the bank. No sport athlete is worth millions playing a sport, but since thats the market why not take advantage.

Atlanta doesn’t support the Hawks much at all, when other big teams roll in they get louder cheers, this blog is a prime example of typical Hawk fans, all they do is bash the best player on the team. Just want to hear a realistic scenerio of who do we bring in if Joe leaves, its nice to always talk about getting a BIG, but most other teams are also and last I checked (being a Hawk fan since 1980) Major Big Time Free Agents NEVER look to come to here.

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From:
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/06/unsolicited-advice-on-eve-of-free.html

Consider this …..

1. Don’t offer Joe Johnson $125 million over 6 years unless you’re absolutely sure he’s not going to accept the offer and even then only offer Joe Johnson $125 million over 6 years if you’re preoccupied with managing perceptions rather than winning basketball games.

Signing Joe Johnson to a max deal will necessitate making future decisions based on finances rather than basketball all in the pursuit of keeping hope alive for the opportunity to get beaten soundly in the second-round. Pushing up against the luxury tax in the short-term and sacrificing future cap flexibility throughout the prime of the careers of Josh Smith and Al Horford so as not to lose a player who, good though he is and has been, projects to be the team’s third-best player before the half this hypothetical contract expires is not in the best interests of the franchise.

2. If you can’t get Joe Johnson re-signed for a reasonable cost over a reasonable length (and, given this market, I don’t think the Hawks can) hold out for useful assets that increase flexibility in the future even if this means taking a hit in the short-term.

In other words, don’t sign-and-trade Joe Johnson for an older, less good player who’s sort of like him (even if he has an expiring contract) especially if said player could render the resources spent on Marvin Williams even more of a waste than they currently appear. (Plus, adding another 2-guard or wing would seriously weaken the team’s bargaining position if they have to or want to move Josh Childress in a sign-and-trade.) The future of the Hawks consists of Al Horford and Josh Smith and, if they’re lucky, maybe one of Williams, Jeff Teague, or Jordan Crawford. All decisions should be based on adding to that core either specifically in the present or by creating the freedom and flexibility to take advantage of future opportunities. Young players, expiring contracts, and draft picks should be the only items on the team’s wish list.

2b. Don’t sign a free agent who is an older, less good version of Joe Johnson.

None of the Hawks’ primary problems stem from a lack of guards who can dribble and shoot. At some point perimeter defense and defensive rebounding have to be addressed if this team is going to improve.

3. Convince Josh Childress to be willing to play in Atlanta on the qualifying offer for 2010-11.

The Hawks needn’t commit to bringing back Childress but they need it to be an option, both as a short-term replacement for Joe Johnson who would complement both Jamal Crawford and Marvin Williams while splitting time between the two and the three, and to limit the chances they lose him for nothing.

4. Don’t spend the MLE.

I don’t think any serious person doubts the financial limitations of this ownership group. Spending money in ways symbolic (eight figures on an ex-famous person) rather than useful will only exacerbate those limitations.

5. Do fill out the roster with young free agents (especially those eligible to be assigned to the D-League) who can be had cheap in the short term and could be useful assets for the team, either on the court or when included in trades, in the future.

Because of those financial limitations the Hawks need to be more creative (and scout better) when filling out the roster. Signing Randolph Morris seemed a reasonable decision at the time but when he proved incapable of contributing and the franchise proved unwilling to eat his contract and give his roster spot to someone who might produce, it turned into a small but real waste of limited resources. As did using roster spots for entire seasons on other players unlikely to contribute ever (Thomas Gardner, Mario West) or those who can’t contribute immediately but might in the future with the benefit of regular playing time in the D-League to develop either their skills (Othello Hunter) or basketball sense (Solomon Jones).

Presently, the Hawks have two borderline All-Stars (Al Horford and Josh Smith), three guys who fit in the average starter/good bench player bin (Jamal Crawford, Zaza Pachulia, Marvin Williams, two adequate bench players (Mo Evans, Mike Bibby), and two unproven youngsters (Jeff Teague and Jordan Crawford). If Rick Sund does a reasonable job of filling out the roster with role players (young or old) and no major injuries hit, the Hawks should still be able to make playoffs in the short-term while setting the stage to build for something more ambitious in the longer-term. It won’t be easy. It probably won’t be popular. But it’s the franchise’s best chance for real, sustained success.

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Couldn’t have been much of a summit if only three 3 players showed up, and one of them is Bosh. Bosh is at Joe’s level, 2nd tier top players, though I’ll take Joe over him anyday.

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Mary Ellen

No need, I’m an educator.
My preferred method.
He’s cool.

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It is going to be fun to constantly pull again the king. Hail to the king.

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Hawks fans- If the Hawks fail to re-sign or willingly let him walk which top tier free agent do you believe is most likely to come to Atlanta? With all the talk of Lebron to NY or Chicago, or even Miami with D-Wade, any chance Wade, Lebron or Bosh wind up in the ATL?

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Mystikal,
Great post @ 7:08 p.m. Gotta take the long view boys and girls.

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We have a better chance to attract another Super-Star if we have one on the roster here in Atlanta.
Joe IS our Super-Star! Period! We also have potentially two others in the making.
Then, we will have our own Big Three! IF Teague get’s going, he’s our Rondo!

We are moving in the right direction. The other teams in the league see Joe as a
Super-Star and he has earned the RESPECT of his peers! You Fans are not Joe’s Peers!

You are the beer drinking – popcorn eaters! That is your only role on this team – stay in your seats and don’t throw beer on the players! Be respecþful and don’t worry about meeting the pay-roll of these players!

That is really Nunna your Business! You have no Skin in the Game! If the ASG don’t spen
Their money on Joe? Then Who? No one else came here! Joe did! He is NOT the reason
We lose games. ASG go to LA and – “GET YOUR MAN”. Bump these broke Fans, they are NOT
Turning them Turnstiles!

Let’s Go Joe! And Happy Birthday Sir!

Rondo,

I ain’t got no Beef with you! Ignorant is as Ignorant does & I am not here to educate you!
I educate my patients! This is a Blog! Not school and it definitely ain’t the end of the World – at
least not My World! I’m gonna always keep it real!

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“Like I said yesterday, who cares if Joe signs for $150million, ITS NOT MY MONEY OR YOURS!!!”

You’re missing the point. This is not baseball where teams can spend as much as they feel like. Signing Joe to a max deal means the Hawks are locked in to this current team, because they will be over the cap for the foreseeable future and won’t be able to make any more significant upgrades to the roster. In the past few years we could look forward to internal improvement in the team based on the young players maturing and improving, but we are at the point now where those guys have realized most of their potential. If the Hawks keep this current core together and expect it to perform better than it did this year, most of the major improvement would have to come from Larry Drew being a major improvement over Woodson and Jeff Teague blossoming into the Tony Parker/Rajon Rondo hybrid some of us think he can be. Yes, Josh and Al can become better post scorers, and yes, Marvin might become a more confident and assertive scorer in a real offense, but that’s going to yield incremental improvement, not major gains.

Both of those things are possible — in particular, I think Teague becoming a star is likely. But even if that happens and Teague-Joe-Marvin-Josh-Al is our core going forward, what is the ceiling for that team? To me, their ceiling is the #3 seed and the Eastern Conference Finals. Is that the ultimate goal for this franchise, or would they be willing to take a short-term step back for the possibility of putting together a team down the line that can actually contend for the title? That’s the question the DASG has to ask themselves when deciding what direction to proceed with Joe.

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Nothings wrong with keeping it real but when you come at somebody come with true facts i never mentioned anything about racism in my comments. Your Gandaddy knew exatly what i was talking about.

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Pape Sy in that clip looks like a more confident Marvin with legit 3-point range, but I don’t know about the level of competition he faced. Hopefully he can translate those skills to the NBA.

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Regarding why Bosh was invited to the FA summit and Joe wasn’t, I think it has more to do with position. Bosh along with either LeBron or Wade provides an inside-outside combo. Joe, in my opinion, wouldn’t complement Wade very well at all, and although he would function just fine with LeBron, a team with both of them making max money still would need an inside presence to be taken seriously as a title contender.

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Its reported that Dallas has reached out to Atlanta about a sign and trade deal for Joe. That being said what is yall’s view of this trade:
Haywood, Butler and future draft pick for Joe and Marvin?

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If the hawks dont sign joe i say rebuild the team, but im not signing joe 2 a max deal, may be 6year 100mill thats around 17mill per season.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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One of the more interesting storylines surrounding free agency has been the status of New Orleans Hornets floor leader Chris Paul. Despite constant assurances that Paul is not on the trading block from Hornets owner George Shinn and GM Jeff Bower, there has been a persistent rumor coming out of Orlando that the Magic would soon be acquiring the celebrated point guard.

Of course, there is absolutely nothing to that rumor, as one Orlando outlet is now reporting:

“It seems the Magic have given up on getting Chris Paul from New Orleans because the Hornets’ front office is not responding to the trade proposal from the Magic.” – ClickOrlando.com

The reason the Hornets’ front office isn’t responding to the supposed trade proposal is because they responded to it preemptively. Ever since last summer, when the first rumors about Chris Paul possibly being traded arose, the Hornets have been more than forthcoming on that front. Instead of the usual GM-speak, couched in vagaries and loopholes, Bower has gone out of his way to dispel the rumor in no uncertain terms.

Darren Collison can be had. Chris Paul cannot.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16644#ixzz0sIKmui4O

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Sautee,

I dont think our rookie Jordan Crawford will replace Jamal’s scoring. But him and Mo Evans will do a decent job. And I am willing to sacrifice some SG bench scoring if we can improve our defense and rebounding in the paint.

If we keep Jamal, it will be difficult to improve our frontcourt. Because all we will have is the mid-level and the bi-annual. We need a backup PF, a defensive minded center, and another SF. We cannot fill all those needs with just the mid-level (~$5.8 mil), and the bi-annual (~$3 mil).

Plus I dont see the ASG going into luxury tax anyway. Which they would have to do (or at least spend alot more money than they did season) if they give Joe the max, bring back Chills, and sign another big using the mid-level.

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Maybe nobody cares but Blast and me, but the slept on Atlanta Dream just won a thriller over the defending WNBA champion Phoenix in Philips. Still plenty of room left on the bandwagon…

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What player on the hawks team could be traded for cp3, horford and marvin or josh and teague or if hornets trying 2 fire sale jamal in the last year of his contract and teague.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

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“Does Dallas really NEED Joe Johnson?”

They need him if they want to get the most out of Dirk’s last few years as an elite NBA player. Right now nobody on that team is good enough to be the #2 to Dirk’s #1. Joe is a better offensive player than Butler, Kidd, Marion, or anyone else they have on that team. Trading for Joe makes sense for them.

Of course, that’s all contingent on them re-signing Dirk in the first place…

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The Atlanta Dream sure love to make ball games interesting, huh? Continually going down big in the half, then coming back strong to win in the 3rd and 4th. And it was the bench that got the win, two games in a row. They just swept the WNBA champions.

I bring this up to make a point. Y’all remember last season when Hawks bench will bring them back into the game just from pure hustle and energy? Effort? Then to start the 3rd and 4th, Woody will return to his starters, who would start playing selfish ball again and the lead will explode. Woody never adjusted to the fact that his main guys are not getting it done, sub out 3-4 starters that are stinking up the joint, leave in the bench guys that brought you back, and trust them.

Two games in a row, I’ve seen Dream coach bench almost all her starters for long minutes when they weren’t bringing it, even Angel, and Izzy, and her starting center and power forward, and ride the bench that was bringing it to victory.

Woody never had the balls to do that.

Then again to Woody’s credit, he never had a bench as good as the Atlanta Dream’s.

Go, Dream! Just cut down on the turnovers! And it is the starters that turn it over so much!

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Come on Hawks don’t let the Mavs steal Joe away like they got JT Money aka Jason Terry.

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Bionic Knees Anyone?

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Chris Childs anyone?

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“Explain to me the concept behind obtaining expiring contracts. Also, @Najeh if we do obtain dampier and butler and 1st rounders for Joe, what would be the benefit of flipping those newly acquired assets?”

Expiring contracts can be used in two ways. You can either do like the Bulls, Knicks, and Heat just did — allow them to expire and attempt to use the freed up cap space the following summer to lure free agents to sign with you at richer deals than they would get elsewhere. That’s one route the Hawks could pursue. The only problem is, there’s no guarantee that a free agent will take your money, and the 2011 free agent class is kinda weak — the best players available are Carmelo Anthony (who is already working on an extension with his current team) and Yao Ming (who despite his considerable talent is too injury prone to commit max or near-max money). If the Hawks lose out on both, they are left pursuing players like Michael Redd and Jason Richardson, who are downgrades from Joe.

The other thing you can do with expiring deals is trade them to teams over the cap for legitimate assets. As you may know, an over-the-cap team can only take back the same amount of salary they give up in a trade. If a mediocre team is tied down by many long-term contracts, they can kick-start a rebuilding process by trading some of those long-term deals for expiring deals to free up cap space. This is what the Hawks did when Billy Knight took over and traded every starter on the team.

The recent rumors that have floated around about the Hornets possibly being willing to trade Chris Paul generally focus around the idea that they would be willing to give up a superstar-caliber player like Paul if a team would take one of their less desirable contracts with it, like Emeka Okafor’s awful contract for example. Paul and Okafor together make $26 million a year, so any deal for the two of them together would have to send $26 million in annual salary the other way. If the Hawks were to acquire Butler and Dampier in a Joe sign-and-trade, they would theoretically be able to send their expiring contracts in such a deal, packaged with a draft pick or two.

Of course, until the recent rumors about the Hornets being willing to trade Paul started floating around, I never seriously thought Paul would be available in any type of trade. But if he is, he would be the caliber of player that would instantly lift the Hawks back to the level of a playoff contender. It is entirely possible that the Paul rumors are nothing more than just rumors and that he is not actually available, but that is just one example of the kind of trade that can be made using expiring contracts.

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Najeh

Oh! OK … Seems like they would better served with a solid #5 who can defend the rim and
block – alter shots! Jet Terry is a #2, but he comes off the bench! Seems like they need
a SF more.

But, hey with deep pockets? You Can Have Whatever You Want! (T. I.)

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Good Doctor you have been quoting alot of rap songs lately, that BET awards show must be stuck in your head. Chris Brown as the new MJ anyone?

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“Chris Brown as the new MJ anyone?”

No. Not even close.

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I seem to remember when Scottie Pippen wanted a contract from the Bulls worth what he brought to the team but was shouted down for being selfish and told to wait his turn. ” Lets win a championship first” Although Pippen did win championships he never got that mega contract. Here a link of some good news for Scottie.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Scottie-Pippen-is-a-little-less-broke-these-days?urn=nba,252310

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Why do people plant wild rumors but never post the link to corroborate their story? When ever I see people making wild attention grabbing statements with out a legitimate link. i stop reading that person and recognize the lack of credibility.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApqG8lz5YHwF_zKZP0Di88g5nYcB?slug=ap-mavericks-nowitzki

So, Its official now! Dirks on the market…. looks like nobody wants to stay home.

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drmaryb

June 29th, 2010
10:22 pm

Rondo

Hey , can you 2 rent a room or something… this is a blog site you know….LOL

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Truth,

I think Dirk will remain with the Mavs. Opting out now allows him to get a no-trade clause in his contract (only Kobe has one), and it allows Dirk to get a new deal under the current CBA, which will be for more money, compared to him waiting until next year when there is a new CBA.

Its the same reason why I wont be surprised if Paul Pierce opts out. Get more money now.

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-Hatter-

Co-Sign your 10:20 & wlile I’m @ it:
concur.affirm.ratify.endorse.&.accede!

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LOL . . this blog is funny. And drmaryb killed me with the “Kobe wouldn’t play with an Alpha, let alone a Q-Dog” line . . . hahahaha.

Having said all of this . . those of you who are willing to sign JJ, just to trade him to Dallas for 2 role players, are out of your minds.

I guess the goal isn’t to make the Eastern Conference Finals anymore I guess. People aren’t willing to pay ( or overpay ) the best player on the team, and possibly use other people as trade bait in order to make us better.

If you notice what Boston did 3 years ago, they traded everybody AROUND Paul Pierce, in order to upgrade the team . . not trade Paul Pierce to add with all of those young guys. But like I said, I guess the goal around here isn’t winning a title. Because to win a title, you need ALL-STAR TALENT . . legit All-Stars.

Bret at Hoopinion is against giving JJ a close to a max deal, but KNOWS what the problems of this team are . . . perimeter defense and defensive rebounding. You fix those problems either by guys stepping up and playing tougher defense, changing the scheme, bringing in top notch talent . . or doing all of the above.

We trade JJ away because we don’t think he’s worth “whatever”, and we may end up like these teams

- LA Clippers ( after they played around with Elton Brand )

- Golden St ( after they played around with both Jason Richardson and especially Baron Davis )

- Minnesota ( after they didn’t pay the right people ( Cassell and Spreewell ) . . but signed guys like Marco Jarik to long term deals . . which caused KG to want to get out of Minny )

Matter of fact . . someone name an instance in which a team traded away its best player ( and didn’t receive a star player in return ), and that team got a lot better. I’m sure there’s one out there, but I can’t think of one off the top of my head.

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nc

If Joe doesn’t want to be here,
-then-
what ??? give him away for nuthin’?

Plus a pkg of Beaubois & Haywood is not
and I repeat for emphasis not two role
players.
Either one, may or may not start…
-but-
each fill a need.
And don’t say we can’t get ‘em both
’cause that’s already been hashed out.

How many times must one say:
Joe calls the shots.
If he wants to stay he stays.
If not then salvage something.
-correct-
or not ???

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northcyde,

The same fans who want JJ traded or run out of town are the same fans who will be complaining when the Hawks go 43-39, finish 7th, and lose in the first round.

bigdave,

JJ will get a lot of love from Knicks and Dallas (and whichever team misses out on LeBron). But I havent read anywhere where the Hawks and Rick Sund are showing JJ any love. So we will see how it works out.

Although JJ will probably wait on LeBron, RIck Sund and the ASG cannot wait on LeBron. If they want JJ back, offer him a deal during the first week of free agency. None of that slow deliberate Rick Sund style…

We need JJ back to be competitive for a top 4 seed. And with some tweaks to the roster, plus IF Teague steps up, we will have a chance to go to the ECF.

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Peezy Paul just joined the party… and Ainge doesnt sound as if they will go out of their way to resign. another shooter out there for those who hopefully miss out on Joe or dont want to offer him Max..

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5341636

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O’brien..

@ this point.. id just be pleased with them showing love by offering Joe that check.. id be appreciative knowing they tried.. that would tell us all where Joe’s heart is.. given what we’ve heard from our insiders Sekou and MC..

and i believed DA reported that Joe will be back with us if mgt doesnt play around.. DA must have some invested interest in us.. i think DA jr was raised here..

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Don’t know?
He’s got the dough.
As far as the CBA – ???
He would somehow [Must] shed S.Marion’s contract.
Hawks taking back Haywood in a seperate S&T helps.
Dampier has a so-called “dust chip”. [contract]
I read where they are willing to let *Jet* leave.
*[trade/wherever]
So, I reckon he has a plan???

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Oh yeah 11:59 @ bigdave !

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O’Brien I think you are on point about the Dirk move but once you are in the stratosphere of free agency you never know what can happen.

I dont think JJ is coming back to atlanta unless it can prove its serious about defending the rack. JJ knows it. Al Horford said last week that Hed prefer to move to his natural position and allow the hawks a chance to get a real center. That is the only way they are going to go any hire is to shut down the expressway to the rack. Sund has screwed up the majority of the teams hes managed by trying to instill his philosophy. He prefers to use power forwards rather than centers and that is one thing JJ doesnt believe in. In fact most of the impact free agents dont have atlanta on their list and that is a major reason. NO CENTER.

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Why is it so hard to understand that the ball is in Joe’s court? Plenty of teams want him (are we surprised?) and if he wants out, he’ll get OUT.

Trading him should be about getting something back, as opposed to nothing, when he decides he wants to be elsewhere.

If he is cool with staying, then give him his contract. We all know that’s how it’s going to go down anyway, if he stays.

Let’s just hope that Larry Drew can help him back to being what he needs to be.

What Joe needs is to be the type of guy he was in Phoenix. You know, the guy shooting 46% from the field and 47% from the arc. The guy catching and shooting. The guy destroying people one on one, instead of dribbling the ball for 15 or more seconds, then hoisting a shot that should only belong in a game or H-O-R-S-E. If Drew can help that happen, then we’ll see Joe return to Phoenix form. Maybe even ‘06-’07 form (25 ppg, 47% FG).

I’d like that.

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-Hatter-
In reference to your 12:00 mid-nite post;
check out my 2:26 PM from this afternoon.

Now as far as your language:
I’m not chastising you,
-but-
cursing shows a lack of vocabulary.
I’m well aware of just how intelligent you are.
Your vocab is fine & dandy.
let everyone else see the real TS and become a legit
contributor *(sp)*[intentional].
Your basketball accumen is improving.
Your statistical analysis is ship shape.
Now, my job is to try to enlighten you to:
“The Secret”.

Now, I hope you enjoy my 2:26 PM post from
earlier today. [kinda silly but maybe you chuckle]
Evenin’ TS.

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“Maybe even ‘06-’07 form (25 ppg, 47% FG). ”

For that to happen, he needs to start driving to the hoop and getting fouled like he did that year, when he averaged 5.5 FT attempts per game (a career high).

Ideally, he should average about 7.

The inability to draw fouls, more than anything else, is what separates Joe from the elite swingmen in the league.

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* Blu Ray

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Najeh

Agreed. I actually posted the comparisons on the fan blog from ‘06-’07 til now. Perhaps if he sticks around and Larry Drew’s offense is as advertised, we might see more of that.

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“So when his deal comes up, he could be tempted by a team that will pay him the max AND let him play PF.”

Until Al starts scoring 20 points per game, he’s not getting a max deal from anyone. Right now, he’d be in line for a deal similar to what Josh got.

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cursing shows a lack of vocabulary.
I’m well aware of just how intelligent you are.
Your vocab is fine & dandy.
let everyone else see the real TS and become a legit
contributor *(sp)*[intentional].

A) Ive been contributing long before you were here
B) You may not like what I say or how I say it, or when I say how I say what I say….the point is ask me if I give a FCK? what you think.
C)Did I say FCK you Yet?

Let me do so now FCKYOU!

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bigdave

Don’t trust Sund or ASG to move quickly.
How is it that the whole city of Dallas knows
Cuban is in LA waitin’ on Joe to arrive.
Is Sund [& or ASG] gonna send their offer by,
Pony Express or carrier pigeon.

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Bigdave

I disagree. Joe is a somewhat hot commodity. If he doesn’t want to be here, then any amount of money/committment won’t be sufficient. He’s not hurting for suitors, as we can see. Didn’t the Hawks offer him a contract that he turned down already? It was a formality, and it was the most they could offer at the time (it would have been an extension), but it was an offer. Is that not a committment?

is it not correct to assume that the only way Joe considers a return if he is offered max with that 6th year

Okay, I hear you on that. But the media is reporting exactly that in some circles. And Joe turning down the extension offer is supposed to make us assume….what? I think we all know why he turned it down. Because waiting until his current contract expires was more lucrative. The offered extension had a limit – 4 years. He turned it down so he could wait until a 5 year or 6 year deal would be available. So maybe assuming that he’d prefer a six year deal isn’t so far-fetched. Any way, it’s not MY assumption. It’s what is being reported. Look at MC’s article, it’s right there.

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Najeh,

Even at $10 – $12 mil, Al might want to play PF, so if there is a team that wants him there, he might be willing to go.

Ray,

I would trade Jamal Crawford and another piece for Tyson Chandler. Unfortunately, I dont think Charlotte would go for it because they already have Stephen Jackson.

I also liked Najeh’s proposal. Crawford and draft pick to Portland for Pryzbilla and Rudy Fernandez.

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*humorous

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C’mon Hatter, now you done went & spoiled
a nice conversation.
I realize how long you’ve been here.
Man, I was just tryin’ to help you out.
-&-
I will continue.
-why-
’cause I like you.
No need to lash out.
Be civil.
You’re better than that,
even if try to act like your not.
re-read what I said.
“I wasn’t chastising you”.
Actually I enjoy most of what you say,
even when I disagree.
Otherwise, why would I bother.
Your message gets lost sometimes.
That’s all.
However, your message to me was not lost.
I hope my reply was not lost…either.
Now, I hope you feel somewhat better.
eve, TS.

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Truth Serum ,

Per my 12:55 post, you gonna rap with me on this “get a center” thing, or are you gonna cuss Grandad off to bed?

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Big Ray..

i think we are saying the same thing.. so im not sure if i see your contention..

my point is there is no way Joe returns to the Hawks if they either fail to act quickly on a max deal or do not offer the max check..

so at this stage in the game its not up to Joe yet. it was when they offered him an extension months ago, but he did what we all would do. the Hawks knew what time it was when that took place. so either they feel Joe is their guy and put the check where their mouth is or they dont.. @ that point Joe has to decide if Atlanta is where he wants to be.

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Bigdave

I hear you. All I’m saying is there’s a possibility Joe wants to go, max contract or not. He wanted to leave Phoenix when he came here, and he asked them to not bother matching any offer that was coming his way. Yeah the Hawks have to make an offer at 12:01 a.m. Thursday morning. No doubt.

But I think it’s irresponsible to think that a max contract is all it takes to get him to stay. Ask Toronto, whose GM (Colangelo) is now publicly quoted as saying Bosh is likely gone from the Raptors come July 1st. I bet they were/are planning on offering a max contract as well….

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But in the end, I agree with your last sentence. Assuming he hasn’t made up his mind already (which he probably really hasn’t, having not heard any official offers yet).

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*offer know

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Truth Serum ,

Amare can be had for max money, but he won’t play the 5 (he refuses). It’s why Phoenix traded for Shaq. It’s why they tried Brian Skinner and Kurt Thomas before that. It’s why the went and got Channing Frye, but they ended up playing Robin Lopez at the 5 (Brook Lopez’s less talented twin brother).

Haywood is definitely available, and I want Sund to sign his butt this offseason, regardless of what happens with Joe Johnson. I think Pryzbilla can be had in trade, now that Camby is in Portland. Then again, that might not be the case if Portland gets nervous about Oden and his injury-prone self. If he could stay healthy, the balance of power in the West would have already shifted. He’s bigger than Dwight Howard, if you know what I’m sayin’.

New Jersey is not giving up Brook Lopez. That would be stupid on their part. I don’t think their new Russian billionaire owner would go for that, nor would Avery Johnson. They drafted him as a lottery pick for one thing. For another, it won’t be long before he’s making the all-star team every year if he continues to progress, and his team can actually win some games.

I don’t know what it would take to get Andrew Bynum, but doing business with the Lakers could be quite costly. I don’t see him going anywhere. Why leave for the Hawks when you can play with the NBA champs?

Perkins probably won’t go anywhere anytime soon. Without him Boston has no center at all. And they need him to deal with Dwight in the East (Brook Lopez and Al Horford, too).

I’d like to add Javale McGee. I think he can be had, the Wiz are enamored of Andray Blatche anyway, meaning McGee may not get many minutes in Washington. I’d take him quick, offering Marvin or somebody.

Okafor can be had too, the Hornets want to get rid of him and his contract. But what would it cost us? He’s a stopper, but he’s no bigger than Al. Still, that’s all you want him for: blocked shots and rebounds. And some dunks.

Dalembert can be had too, and we saw that when Philly traded him. But I think Sacramento actually wants him for the same reason we’d want him. He’s probably not available unless we overpay in trade.

I’d LOVE to have Joakim Noah, but I think Chicago only parts with him if it nets them a superstar like Lebron James or somebody. They really like him up there, and I don’t blame them. That, and if he’s gone, their only real center is Brad Miller, who happens to be a 34 year old free agent that might get you about 25 blocks all season long.

Roy Hibbert? Roy Hibbert! Now I KNOW you playin’ with me. The same Roy Hibbert that Al Horford destroyed each time we played the Pacers? Nah, man. Indy can keep Roy. He’s big, but he’s softer than Charmin toilet paper.

The reason why I mentioned double doubles is because I would want something like that from my starting center. Maybe the points don’t mean as much, but the rebounds do. I don’t want a center who blocks shots but can’t rebound. That’s all I’m saying there. I think our best bets are Haywood, McGee, Pryzbilla, and maybe Okafor. They would all fit, though Okafor is a guy who probably has to start or he might catch an attitude.

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Anyway, catch y’all later. It’s getting late and it’s been a long day.

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Now TS, I know you read my post.
Are you really gonna stay mad.
I don’t know if Sautee;
will let me back in “the Bubba Crew”.

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I smell a 2005-2006 season coming on for the Hawks.

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My thoughts on FA
JJ stays in Atlanta($$$)
Bosh goes to Chicago(they’ve been looking for a post threat for 10 years)
Boozer joins Wade in Miami(more of a Riley type player than Christina Bosh)
Lebron in a SHOCKER signs with the Clippers(before you laugh, Bdiddy/Lebron/Griffen/Kaaman and whoever at sg will instantly become a contender out West. And LJ the businessman will soon become the King of Hollywood when Kobe retires. Imagine LJ vs. Kobe at Staples. Can you say opening day on ABC?
Just my 2 cents of course.

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Seems this would be a motivator. JJ not invited but Bosh invited means the open market is not red hot for JJ. It also reminds us how under productive Hewitt is to have burn through two talents and have so little to show for it. It is not that Hewitt can’t coach the big man, it is he can’t get point guards to run an offense. LeBron, and D-Wade can run an offense and score, though it would be interesting to see their egos on the same team. JJ and Bosh are more post up men and certainly not setting up a table on the offense.

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I just dont see it? Over the years its always been “show me the money!!!” “The team doesnt show me any respect I am holding out to renew my contract.” ” I need to do what is best for me and my family”
OK we heard this over and over again? So why would players now decide to take less? To win a piece of tin championship trophy? I dont think so? I see these players resigning with their teams, sign and trade or whoever is willing to pay them the most money.

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FIRE RICK SUND… Wash picks up 7ft pick and pop guy YI from the Nets for nothing and yet the Hawks sit around twiddling their thumbs instead of making a serious run at constructing a roster of guys who do different things… Oh i get it lets keep letting Josh shoot jumpers and AL playing with his back to the basket against guys who are waay bigger and stronger than him… that makes sense

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This was a superstar summit, that is why I wasn’t invited!

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bigdave,

If you were JJ (right now), and your #1 goal was to win a championship, where would you sign?

Truth,

You and I agree that we need a center. Where we disagree is whether or not he needs to be a starting center.

I think the Hawks would be okay if they had a defensive minded center coming off the bench to play 20-25 mpg. Obviously, there would be some games where he would be required to play more minutes (like against Howard, Perkins, Bynum), but Horford does a good job at center against most of the other centers.

And getting a center for the bench would probably allow us to keep Josh Smith, who is still young and improving, and can be a game changer on defense himself (all NBA 2nd team defense, 2nd in DPOY). Plus having better defense on the perimeter from Teague (compared to Bibby), and no more “switch everything all the time” defense should help the bigs do a better job defending the paint.

That being said, I would love to trade Jamal Crawford for a center, and I am open to trading Josh for a legit center, but both teams have to agree to the deal, so maybe Rick has been looking but hasn’t found any takers.

robdawg08,

A team like the Mavs cannot sign JJ outright because they are over the cap. So the only way the Mavs can sign JJ is by sign and trade.

The only teams that can sign JJ outright are the teams that are under the cap with max space (Miami, Bulls, Knicks, Nets etc). But the reason why JJ would prefer a sign and trade is because the most these teams could offer him if he signs outright with them is 5 years, $95 mil. If he signs with the Hawks, he can get 6 years, $120 mil.

So the Hawks could sign him for 6 years, $120 mil, and then trade him to the Heta, Bulls, etc. That way, JJ gets the money he wants, and the other team still gets their guy. I hope this clears up any confusion.

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Woah. Paul Pierce just opted out. Hate the guy, but im sure he wont get a max deal and he could help if we lose Joe

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SWAT Natove,

Yeah man, to help alleviate some of the depression from the NBA offseason, went to the Atlanta Dream last night.

Those girls were hooping. I think I’m gonna have to make an emotional investment and support the ladies for the rest of the season.

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S&T JJ for CARMELLO….DONE!!!

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I really dont like pierce cause he is so whiny but he has won and he would be cheaper than joe.

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Robdawg, if you’re sitting here saying JJ isn’t concerned with getting the MAXIMUM amount that he can for his profession, when there’s a $28 million dollar difference in the contract he would sign in a sign and trade, and the contract he would sign flat out with another team, then you are clearly not aware of life and business in the USA. Joe has already stated that he will sign for the max, where he goes, because that’s what he wants. So you really believe he’s not wanting to do a sign and trade if he can convince Sund to do a deal? That rumor about Joe will play for less in NY, came out of NY, not out of Joe’s camp (which is in LA). Do you think just maybe the Knicks were saying that to help set themselves up for other free agents to take pay cuts? By the way, you haven’t seen me propose and sign and trade for Joe. I’ve constantly said that I want the Hawks to re-sign Joe, not trade.

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I like basketball, it looks fun. I like playing with big balls.

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Obrien..

Chicago.

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Joe Johnson should be excluded from that group. He’s not at thier level of play.

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Thank you Ramon. I guess thats a good reason. haha

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S&T JJ for Dianne .Oh Yeah!!

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I don’t want JJ back period. He will disappear in round two of the playoffs AGAIN and Hawks will get swept AGAIN. Hawks will NEVER be a top team without a true CENTER and a 25 points per game scorer. You ALL know that…

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Cmon robdawg08 …even I know that if the Hawks sign JJ SPECIFICALLY for a S&T, they would have the deal done before they commit.

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A player like JJ should get about $4 million per year MAX. In the overpaid NBA (as well as NFL,MLB,etc.) players get way too much money for their production. Players should be paid on a per game performance. But instead they sign 5 year $50 million dollar contracts and take nights off because they know they still will get paid.

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Trades fall thru all the time. JJ will sign on his own with another team. Mark my words.

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Drew is the second coming of his formewr boss Mike Woodson. You will see the same game with the same players (minus JJ). All disciples of coaches coach the same way their predecessor did. The 2011 Hawks will be a mess.

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The Hawks remain silent and inept. The players remain selfish beyond contempt. They look and act like gang members. (I seriously doubt I would be praising LeBron’s ability to block shots if I saw his car approaching at 110 miles per hour on the freeway.). The owners are pathetic. The refs allow palming, hip-hop travels, elbows to the head. Skill levels are down, .

The NBA is dead. Bye.. . .

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Nobody: There is noway in the Hell that i would give JJ (the 6′8 floater shooter who cant get to the freethrow line) a max deal… As much as i hate to say it either Josh or AL has to go in order for the hawks to field a team of players who all dont do the same thing… The thing that was great about the 80’s teams was that teams were constructed with players that had a certain skill set which made the team concept flourish, Hell even the old hawks had Nique- the scorer , Doc – tru point guard, Randy wittman- jump shooter, kevin willis- rebounder , Tree- defender shot blocker, along with John Battle, Antione Carr, Cliff Livingston everyone had a role… waay to much iso ball for my eyes to watch… YI would have been a great and cheap addition for the hawks who lack size… Hell we could have given them MO evans or a future draft pick for that matter!!! Instead we draft PAPE SY!!!!!! PAPE SY!!!!!! who in the hell is PAPE SY???? Ever heard of Brian Zoubek or Jon Schayer a legitimate knockdown shooter…. I am starting to get that same feeling about the Hawks i had the morning after they traded Nique for DANNY MANNING

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I was watching the draft when they selected Pape and the experts were talking about he needed to play overseas for 1 or 2 years before coming to the Hawks. He will probably tear a knee ligament then be done for good or truthfully never materialize into a good player. Why didn’t they just trade all their picks this year for a bonafide starting center ?

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Truth-serum,

You said this:

“Why do people plant wild rumors but never post the link to corroborate their story? When ever I see people making wild attention grabbing statements with out a legitimate link. i stop reading that person and recognize the lack of credibility.”

OK, T-s while I agree with your statement, I’m confused. Where is the link to the “wild rumor” that YOU perpetrated on this blog about Shaq “announcing” that he wouldn’t play in the All-Star game?

Or should we all just scroll past your posts, since you didn’t produce that link?

Should we recognize your lack of credibility? (your own words)

And while we’re at it, you also said this:

“Sund has screwed up the majority of the teams hes managed by trying to instill his philosophy. He prefers to use power forwards rather than centers and that is one thing JJ doesnt believe in. In fact most of the impact free agents dont have atlanta on their list and that is a major reason. NO CENTER.”

How about a link for this info?

Funny, but you say that Sund “prefers” to use power forwards for centers. My memory of him before he came here was for drafting seven footers who were busts (Petro, Swift, Sene, etc.)

Can you name a “power forward” OTHER than Horford that Sund has “preferred” to use at center?

I’m SURE that you will send along a link to clear this up. Heh heh.

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LOL….WOW….Lots of haters on here.

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Landon Milbourne will be on the summer league team. I don’t know much about him other than he is left handed and an very athletic. Dude finishes at the rim with force and he is a nice defender.

Dan Lebatard tweeted that Bosh to Miami is a done deal. Bosh goes to Miami and Toronto gets Beasley, Chalmers, and Anthony. Joel is a free agent so I guess he will be signed and moved. I dont know how true it is but I guess we will find out shortly.

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Ken Strickland you my boy but MARVIN W. is the worst starting smallforward in the nba.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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robdawg08

June 30th, 2010
10:03 am

I don’t want JJ back period. He will disappear in round two of the playoffs AGAIN and Hawks will get swept AGAIN. Hawks will NEVER be a top team without a true CENTER and a 25 points per game scorer. You ALL know that…

Some times I wonder why do people continue to deceive themselves. Yes, I agree, they all know that.

robdawg08

June 30th, 2010
10:26 am

robdawg08

June 30th, 2010
10:33 am

Two on the money post!

O’Brien

June 30th, 2010
8:56 am

Truth,

You and I agree that we need a center. Where we disagree is whether or not he needs to be a starting center.

I think the Hawks would be okay if they had a defensive minded center coming off the bench to play 20-25 mpg. Obviously, there would be some games where he would be required to play more minutes (like against Howard, Perkins, Bynum), but Horford does a good job at center against most of the other centers.

I hear you O’Brien, its just that my analysis of what a “good job” is may be different than yours. To me

12pts career ave, 9.4 rebounds .41 blocks to personal foul,( it takes 3 fouls to ave 1 block) # 18 ranking centers in block shots, among all players he is not even in the top 35 defensively for blocks
He was not able to make the 1st,2nd, or 3rd on the All NBA Team and of the 30 NBA coaches 0, nada, ziltch, zero felt he should be a starter on the NBA defensive team and before you say thats because of Howard, well, only 1 out of 30 coaches felt he should be on the second team. In fact When the head coaches consider defensive talent measured on the All Defensive team Horford gets only 1 vote total out of all the votes cast on any level.

The reality is Horfords defense suck! You say well Horford “hold his own” against the big guys…..I dont recall horford shutting down any of the legitimate centers. What I interpret that statement to say is ” Horford scored more than his usual 12 pts.” To me horford scoring 14 pts and the opposition scoring 17 is not “Holding your own”. How about Horford scores 16 and the legitimate center was held to single digits and forced off the block while horford blocks 2-3 shots and altered countless others with out getting into foul trouble. That to me would be holding your own. His sole claim to defensive fame is he gets 9 rbs per game. Well 30 guys average 8 or more rebounds and 14 guys average 10 or more… His 9 rebound are about average and rebounds to me are not equal to the defense that caused the miss shot that created the rebound opportunity. He just convenient pick up the ball after Josh blocks the shot and is credited with a rebound….NOT.

No, O’Brien. I have another definition of “holding your own”. I would like to see the hawk in the championship levels. Rise up from 3 seed and 53 wins and get to the conference finals. You dont do that with average defense. No, Horford would be a back up to the stopper. Play defense first, not exchange baskets. If there is a special isolation for horford’s 12 pts then he should come off the bench to get to them. We are trying to win a championship, not “hold our own”. Weve done that the last couple of years. Its time to take it to the next level.

Saltee. I appreciate the way you twist and misconstrue what I ve said. I wont be taking the time to untangle your web of deceit and confusion. You are not accurately quoting me in the context in which it was said.

I wont be swimming in the cesspool with you.You’ll have to swim alone. Enjoy your swim.

robdawg08

June 30th, 2010
10:12 am

Drew is the second coming of his formewr boss Mike Woodson. You will see the same game with the same players (minus JJ). All disciples of coaches coach the same way their predecessor did. The 2011 Hawks will be a mess.

Pretty Much, unless we can get a quality center.
You are preaching today!
Robdawg

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Robdawg 08, lay off the alcohol. lol!

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Smoove is better than Horford. I’d wait til next season to decide to trade one (probably wouldn’t trade either even then).

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Lank can you post a link for the Siler interview?

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Ramon

June 30th, 2010
11:55 am

Co-sign that!

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How is Horford supposed to protect the basket, when he’s usually switching on pg’s trying to help out slow footed Bibby?? lol!

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Truth,

I agree that the Hawks need to step up their defense. But Horford is only a part of it. We also need better defense from our guards. Bibby let guys get by him very easily on the perimeter, putting more pressure on our bigs, because now they also have to worry about somebody else’s man.

Also, because we switched all the time, sometime Horford would end up a PG, and what is he supposed to do? Horford just isnt quick enough to keep up with guards.

My plan for JJ. Offer Joe 6 years at $108 mil or so. Give Larry Drew one year to see what he can do with this team. If its not working out, then next year they can decide who to trade (Joe, Josh, Marvin, ZaZa). Plus Bibby will be an expiring contract.

Also, next offseason, Carmelo and Chauncey might be the 2 biggest free agents, so Joe will have a market (both in free agency and sign and trades). Plus a team that loses out this offseason might save the cap room for next year anyway.

I say keep Joe, get somebody to help Horford down low, get another SF, and see what happens (even if we have to trade Jamal).

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lets get bosh for josh and stop the heat dynasty – wade/bosh will fetch Lebron for them.

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@robdawg08 – seriously, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!

You blog on here like you know something, when you don’t know squat. Everyone showed you how ignorant your comments were about JJ and the sign and trade (getting him more money) and now you state: “There’s no guarantee that a team will trade for JJ if the Hawks sign him to a max deal. Then the Hawks will be on the hook for 6 years”

All the papers are signed at the same time. The Hawks would only sign him to that if they already had a trade lined up. Geez.

And then you comment about how stupid the Hawks were to draft a “project center” in the second round. HELLO? Anybody home? They traded him that night for cash considerations. DUH.

Seriously, learn what you’re talking about or stay off the board.

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robdawg08 [Hatter]

That wasn’t me, I promise.

-However-

Knowing you, it’s probably you, bustin’ your own self.
Then you come on & comment about how you got busted.

-If so-
enjoy & have a nice day “Bass”

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I don’t see Joe going to NY to play with Amare. You guys forget that Amare was one of Joe’s reasons for leaving Phoenix in the first place. They didn’t like each other much then. Not sure what their relationship is now…..

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What do you readers believe is the best option for sign and trade with Joe? State the team Joe goes to, who the Hawks gain and the Hawks new starting five

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Brandon

June 30th, 2010
1:25 pm

I dont think Joe and Amare had any problems Joe’s problem was he was fouth option on a star studded that also included Nash.

Thats a pretty strong statement to say Joe and Amare did not get along….Can you post a link with some support to that ?

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*Horford Nutt Worshipper

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cp

Ernest T. is a regular contributor.
Now – ‘cp’, I don’t know how long you’ve been
on this board, but, ‘Bass’ may come back & say
“how dare you” criticize he for throwin’ bricks.
‘Cause if you haven’t been on the board longer than him.
However, you do have the right to criticize ignorance.

cp – seriously you’re right.
He’s the court jester.
No serious contributions.
He’s basically a manure spreader.
Instead of getting his own blog,
he should go over to the *FFA blog. *[not dirty]
*Future Farmers of America = ETB.
Why don’t you [TS] write us a John Deere letter.

cp – Sorry
Co-Sign your 1:53 PM !!!

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“Would you rather be paid an extra 28 million or win a championship?”

LMAO… extra 28 million of course. F-ck a championship.

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These types of posts make me incredibly weary of the Pape Sy pick. His “diamond in the rough” status is quickly becomuing doubtful.

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/06/compiling-dossier-on-pape-sy.html

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AJC report that Hawks preparing 6-year Bird Rights deal is devastating news to potential Joe Johnson suitors. He wants to stay in Atlanta.
22 minutes ago via Adrian Wojnarowski Yahoo

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Man please, I would trade Joe Johnson for Chris Bosh in a nanosecond.

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Awright Bass – fried liver it is.

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Well I’ll be Dawg-gone:
Bass can google!

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Grandad Since you are demanding attention…. I think you have a very good since of humor. You approached me in a very condescending tone to which you later apologized and and explained that you meant no harm and the way your statement was written could give possible misconceptions. You apology was also offensive because you still felt that your original insult was appropriate. I did fire back at you, but you know what, ive moved on. Im on subject and dealing with the hawks and what I feel is the right direction. I hope you can move on too. I sorry you are having a tough time doing so. Normally you are very careful about what you say.

Have a nice day

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drmaryb

June 30th, 2010
3:33 pm

How do you do misses riley…..How do you do misses Riley…. HOW DO YOU DO MISSES RILEY?

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Najeh,

He is not losing $28 mil by taking a 5 year deal. The difference for the first 5 years is probably between $5 – $10 mil. At the end of the fifth year, he would sign another contract. So in reality, he would probably lose $15 mil or so over 6 years.

I know thats still a lot of money, but if he wins a championship, he makes some of that money back IMO. And playing in Chicago makes him more marketable.

and go ask Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing etc if they would trade $15 – $20 mil for a ring.

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Sautee

Get Em’! Bust that fool in his eye ball! Its all fun & games till you get your eye poked out!

If you need twenty names to blog, that says more about you than it does me!
It says:

1. You have NO credibility.
2. You can’t knock on front doors and get in.
3. You don’t like who you are
4. You probably have NO job, (IF so, it’s probably washing dishes @ Applebees).
(Sorry Applebees – no offense)
5. No self – Esteem (so you can go do yourself & don’t forget the crisco oil – its under your mattress)

Well, that should hold you for a while. I gotta go pay some bills.

Let’s Go Joe!

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Truth-serum,

You may answer this or not, but it WILL be here on the blog for all to see.

You said this:

“I will talk with who i feel has we grounded positions. Why dont your argue your points of view rather than attacking personalities. Attack arguments.

I have NOT attacked you or your “personalities” other than to comment that when you curse, or say demeaning things about others, it diminishes you in ways you fail to understand. That is NOT an attack, but sage advice from someone who learned the hard way. And it’s intended for ANY blogger who chooses to act that way.

You wanted me to attack arguments, and that’s JUST what I did and have done. I attacked your argument about the bogus Shaq story. And you ran away like a coward.

I attacked your misuse of stats on Bradley’s blog.

And you ran away like a coward.

I attacked your premise of Darryl Dawkins as a type of “ideal” center (because of his 6.1 rebounds per game).

You ran away like a coward.

I attacked your argument that the coaches “conspired” to put Horford on the All-Star team, so we wouldn’t go after a center.

Did you stick around to discuss it?

No you ran away like a coward.

I could go on for days, but it’s useless. But I find a great deal of irony in you, of all posters here, talking about “arguing points of view instead of attacking personalities” when “attacking personalities” is all you seem to do.

Or did I miss the part where you actually DISCUSSED any of the things above?

No, I didn’t miss it. You ran away like a coward. And of course, if you answer it’ll just be “Saltee, you don’t have a grounded position”, or some such BS.

It’s very obvious that you enjoy stirring up the blog. I’m ok with that. I just wish you’d practice what you now preach, that is:

“Argue a point of view instead of attacking personalities”

I’ll be watching, T-s to see if you can man up and stick by your own advice.

Otherwise I’ll keep sticking it down your throat.

Have a nice day!

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-Hatter-

-Agir-
nicely done.
No fried liver today.
As for google;
I do good to just to type a few lines every day.

“How do you do Miiissseeesss *Wileeey”

I try very hard to choose my words.
no-one’s perfect…especially me.

“the Secret” later.

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E. T. Bass aka Truth Serum

God didn’t always deliver pies and cakes.

He also expressed disgust and wrath for the people of Sodom & Gomora -sp., As well as,
the fools in the days of Noah. God has little to no tolerance for ignorance, but he is patient with us, because he knows how small our brains are!

So, no believe God is asleep just because he is Love. He also, Hates – what is bad!
And what you said to Grand-Daddy, “Go FCK yourself?” Is not only disrespectful,
It is demoralizing, asinine, unnecessary, hostile, vile, disgusting, wrong and will
NOT be tolerated.

So yes, you can mount the back of an ASS (donkey), and go straight to HELL (a common grave for mankind).
Oh yeah! Its in the Bible, when children disrespected their parents? They were taken outside the
City and stoned to death. You kids are really LUCKY you weren’t born back then!

Now, leave us all alone and go find someone who actually LOVES you and see if you
Can’t rustle yourself up a HUG!

Regardless of what alias you use, a fool is as a fool does. There is no hiding place small enough for you to hide!

That’s is actually what THE TRUH means. It means you can’t HIDE in darkness!
The light will always reveal THE TRUTH. OK Serum, you can stand up straight now &
Pull your pants up from around your ankles!

Your diagnosis is: Pants on the Ground!

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drmaryb

June 30th, 2010
4:20 pm

I really think the hawk can improve with a bout 2-3 key acquisitions. Whats your opinion?

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drmaryb

June 30th, 2010
4:20 pm

Preach Peacher lady…. What chur

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Sautee, Grand-Daddy, drmaryb

Let’s just ignore him for the rest of the day. Leþs enjoy our sports blog. It is obvious
there are some serious mental issues going on there. I feel sorry for SYBIL.

Half the time, she doesn’t even know who she is, IDK if it’s a boy or a girl – because the
user I’d doesn’t indicate if it’s male or female. But, either way – I feel very sorry for this
Enigma. I just hope and pray he/she doesn’t kill herself someday.

Shall we pray? And, I for one will move on, ever to look back!
I tried to help it, but everyone can’t be helped. You cut the losses and go help others.

The End!

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*DONT

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Its being reported now by the AJC that the Hawks will offer Joe a max salary contract. If Joe indeed does resign with Atl, what other free agents do you all see Atlanta attempting to sign in order to bolster the roster

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Kraig

June 30th, 2010
4:42 pm

I dont know how much will be spent. I would imagine that if thats all the signing we are going to do we wont be any better next season than this. If fact some teams may over take us. My hope would be that we find a way to put a top 7 center in the middle who can play DEFENSE and get us a starting guard who can distribute and shoot with out a lot of turnovers, capable of running an offense.

I suspect that there may be some trades with Marvin teague horford and josh being dangled to get the missing pieces. It would be nice if they all could stay, but I just dont think we saved that much money with the Woodson part II the sequel called Drew.

I guess well just have to watch how it pans out.

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SAUTEE/DRMARYB-Allow me to join in on some of the fun. TRUTH SERUM claimed averaging 9.9RPG was an average accomplishment, while averaging 1.12BPG and 14.2PPG is unacceptable for a center. He also said Horford plays no DEF, and can’t compete against the so called true or legitimate centers in the league.

Well, I definitely consider Orlando’s DHoward a true or legitimate center, as well as the NBA’s most dominant center. Yet, in the 1st rd playoff series against Charlotte, starting center TRatliff(3.6PPG, 3.2RPG & 1.2BPG)and backup centers TChandler(6.5PPG, 6.3RPG & 1.1BPG) and NMohammed(7.9PPG, 5.0RPG & .7BPG) held DHoward to 8.5PPG and 10.2RPG, which was 10PPG and 3RPG under his seasonal average.

TRUTH SERUM-Based on these results, would you honestly be stupid enough to say all of these centers were capable of holding their own against DHoward? And would you suggest we sign one of them to replace AHorford as the starting center of the Atlanta Hawks? IF YOUR ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS IS YES, THEN ONCE AGAIN YOU DEMONSTRATE YOUR EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL OF BASKETBALL INCOMPETENCE AND TOTAL LACK OF CREDITABILITY.

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Truth-Serum, what are we……in class?? Post a link? Nah, I’ll pass. I don’t have to make this up and I seriously doubt that there would be any links to support this because it was severely downplayed in the media except for a couple of outlets here and there. In fact, Amare was consistently on Joe’s a$$ about Joe’s lack of defense and Joe got fed up with it. I said that their relationship was ONE of the reasons Joe wanted to leave Phoenix. Being the fourth option and wanting to come here and become a star was the other, more important reason.

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N.Dpoop, wasnt saying that YI would change the fortune of this team… But however at a poultry 4 mill a year a 7footta with an actual skill set would not hurt this team considering the situation… Or maybe you were more than impressed with the great exploits of Jason Collins and Randolph Morris…. LMAO that Mario West was very impressive coming off the bench!!!

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“N.Dpoop, wasnt saying that YI would change the fortune of this team… But however at a poultry 4 mill a year a 7footta with an actual skill set would not hurt this team considering the situation…”

Must have had Chick-fil-a for lunch.

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[...] If he signs with Atlanta, he will make the most money David Stern allows his employees to make. Reports say it’s going to be around six years and $119 million. All other teams can only offer him around five years and $92 million. I have no idea what you do with $27 million when you already have $92 million so if I was him, I’d be looking at signing elsewhere. Then again, I won’t have that much cash. [...]

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Nobody

Nobody in the yahoo article did NOT say one word re: Joe and the Hawks meeting with other teams to discuss S&T deals – period! Your comment is about as irrelevant as your user I’d.

Take a reading comprehension class, you may be surprised to learn that reading is fundamental!

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