Atlanta Hawks: J.J. squeezed out of the big summit?
Who's missing from this picture? (slamdunkcentral.com)
ESPN.com reported there was a free-agent summit in Miami over the weekend involving LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh.
Other reports say the meeting didn’t happen and others that say it couldn’t have happened because James was in New York and Wade was in Las Vegas and Chicago over the weekend.
Now I’m watching ESPN respond to those reports by saying that the three players did too meet in Miami!
All of this comes after Stephen A. Smith reported that James and Bosh would join Wade in Miami.
It’s all very confusing. But if there was a meeting in some city somewhere, and if James and Bosh really are considering headed to Miami to play with D-Wade (it seems to be a real possibility), the one thing missing from all of this is Joe Johnson.
Remember, Wade had said J.J. would be included in the summit and now it turns out he wasn’t invited (if in fact there was a meeting). What that would mean for J.J. is that he’s not included in this free agent master plan orchestrated by LeBron and Wade.
What it means for the Hawks is if those three guys really do end up on the same team, that would leave more teams with top-tier cap space than there are top-tier free agents. If the Hawks really are hoping to avoid offering J.J. the Bird max salary of about $119 million, and there has been some resistance to doing so, then this is not the scenario they’d want to see (and that’s not even considering what it would mean for the balance of power in the Eastern Conference).
Of course, all of this is assuming there really was a meeting, and the Big Three free agents really would play for the same team. It’s not even Thursday yet and it’s hard to know what’s true.
MC
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Lank
June 30th, 2010
11:47 am
From the Augusta Chronicle about Garret Siler…
Siler said there are two NBA teams — Atlanta and Miami — with high interest in him. He said he likes the signing of Hawks assistant Larry Drew, who succeeded former head coach Mike Woodson earlier this month.
“He’s a real good guy,” Siler said, calling Drew a disciplinarian. “He’s one of those guys who really liked my character.”
Siler said there’s no front-runner between Atlanta and Miami. He and his agent are working to get a contract from one of the teams.
In the NBA Draft earlier this month, Miami selected a center in the second round; the Hawks did not. Also, the Heat are rumored to be in the running to land free agent forwards LeBron James and Chris Bosh and to re-sign guard Dwyane Wade. Siler said he can’t concern himself with what Atlanta and Miami are doing in the off-season.
“I’m just going to worry about kicking butt in the Summer League,” he said.
terrell
June 30th, 2010
11:49 am
Robdawg 08, lay off the alcohol. lol!
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
11:53 am
Great post!
d.carter
June 30th, 2010
8:25 am
FIRE RICK SUND… Wash picks up 7ft pick and pop guy YI from the Nets for nothing and yet the Hawks sit around twiddling their thumbs instead of making a serious run at constructing a roster of guys who do different things… Oh i get it lets keep letting Josh shoot jumpers and AL playing with his back to the basket against guys who are waay bigger and stronger than him… that makes sense
Sund who has a nasty history of hiring losers as coaches, has went on record as saying that although Horford is a powerforward he believe you can win a championship with the powerforward masquerading as a center. Im quite sure we could have had quite a few centers by now, but Sund-of-a-byttch is not interested in us getting a center (I holla atcha JJ). Thats why he passed on centers in the draft.. He is doing this Sund way, and Woodson was fired because he would not do it sunds way. Sund has never won a championship but has finished is last place multiple times. My question is
how does this idiot keep finding work?
Ramon
June 30th, 2010
11:55 am
Smoove is better than Horford. I’d wait til next season to decide to trade one (probably wouldn’t trade either even then).
Texas Pete
June 30th, 2010
11:55 am
1. Hawks’ Center situation: This is an all or nothing situation. People cannot say that Horford is a true starting center then turn around and say we need to bring in another center to come off the bench. Last I checked, Horford wasn’t too bad with fouls so why do we need to invest in a center coming off the bench when we’d expect Horford to log some serious minutes as a young starting center? It doesn’t make any sense. I’ll tell you what does make sense; the Hawks need a defensive specialist at center and that person needs to log some meaningful minutes (i.e. be a starter on the floor at the same time as Horford).
2. After the FA smoke settles, we need to get back to the business of figuring out what the heck is the goal of the ASG. Are they in this to win an NBA championship and stay around as owners for the long haul or are they truely looking to dump the franchise? I don’t understand how after all these years of “too many chiefs who are all too broke” they could be looking for even more investors to add to the mess. Why not sell the Hawks to David McDavid now? Doesn’t dude have an extra $381 million coming his way from the lawsuit? He should be able to afford the Hawks and Phillips straight up by now. Just saying…
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
11:58 am
Lank can you post a link for the Siler interview?
Ken Strickland
June 30th, 2010
11:58 am
SAUTEE-It’s obvious you’re getting a big kick out of following up on TRUTH SERUM constantly putting his foot in his mouth and trying to sound intelligent, especially when it comes to basketball. His approach seems to be to throw mud against the wall and hope some of it sticks, and that others on these blogs are as clueless as he obviously is, as evidence by his never ending contradictions, misrepresentations and/or out right lies.
OBRIEN-I honestly think this yrs Hawks team, under HC LDrew’s direction, will be just as good without JJU, if not better, than they were last yr with him under Woodson. How can anyone that knows anything about basketball believe an OFF that relies on ISO’s, jump shooting and having 4 players clear out and stand around while one player dominates the ball attacking the DEF, is better than one that relies on ball movement and has 4-5 players in motion attacking the DEF.
How can anyone that knows anything about basketball think a slow, nonathletic, one dimensional jump shooting PG that plays no DEF and doesn’t penetrate or create easy scoring opportunities for others, is better than a young, quick, fast, athletic PG that can penetrate and create easy scoring opportunities for others, who also plays solid DEF?
What if we consistently get more production from our SF position, as well as our bench? If we improve our overall production in all other areas(PF, C, PG, SF), we can replace most of what JJ provided by approaching everything from a team perspective, rather than consistently relying on the production of one or two players, and a single minded OFF approach.
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
12:00 pm
Ramon
June 30th, 2010
11:55 am
Co-sign that!
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
12:01 pm
Ken Strickland
June 30th, 2010
11:58 am
SAUTEE
SHOUT OUT TO TEAM BUBBA!
terrell
June 30th, 2010
12:19 pm
How is Horford supposed to protect the basket, when he’s usually switching on pg’s trying to help out slow footed Bibby?? lol!
DEZZ NUTTZ
June 30th, 2010
12:24 pm
YEA THATS A GOOD ONE. EITHER BIBBY’ S MAN IS NOW IN THE PAINT AT THE BASKET AND HORFORD IS (IM LAUGHING) PLAYING DEFENSE OR HORFORD HAS RAN AWAY FROM HIS RESPONSIBILITIES AND IS ON THE WINGS. EITHER WAY THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR HORFORDS LACK OF DEFENSIVE SKILLS.
O'Brien
June 30th, 2010
12:40 pm
Truth,
I agree that the Hawks need to step up their defense. But Horford is only a part of it. We also need better defense from our guards. Bibby let guys get by him very easily on the perimeter, putting more pressure on our bigs, because now they also have to worry about somebody else’s man.
Also, because we switched all the time, sometime Horford would end up a PG, and what is he supposed to do? Horford just isnt quick enough to keep up with guards.
My plan for JJ. Offer Joe 6 years at $108 mil or so. Give Larry Drew one year to see what he can do with this team. If its not working out, then next year they can decide who to trade (Joe, Josh, Marvin, ZaZa). Plus Bibby will be an expiring contract.
Also, next offseason, Carmelo and Chauncey might be the 2 biggest free agents, so Joe will have a market (both in free agency and sign and trades). Plus a team that loses out this offseason might save the cap room for next year anyway.
I say keep Joe, get somebody to help Horford down low, get another SF, and see what happens (even if we have to trade Jamal).
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
12:51 pm
robdawg08 [Hatter]
You will forevermore be “Hatter”
-But-
for awhile – you gonna be “Ernest T. Bass”.
I tried to play nice,
gave you all nite, to be a man
-but-
you insist on comin’ into Mayberry
throwin a few rocks & breakin’ some windows,
I can hear you right now
-with-
that hyena laugh
-and-
you actually call yourself a real contributor.
Now that was one run on sentence.
It’s on Bass!
jerrywest
June 30th, 2010
12:56 pm
lets get bosh for josh and stop the heat dynasty – wade/bosh will fetch Lebron for them.
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
1:02 pm
Mary Ellen
No hurt feelin’s – trust me.
Just tried to give him some space to disengage.
However, grace period, over.
Biggie
June 30th, 2010
1:04 pm
@robdawg08 – seriously, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!
You blog on here like you know something, when you don’t know squat. Everyone showed you how ignorant your comments were about JJ and the sign and trade (getting him more money) and now you state: “There’s no guarantee that a team will trade for JJ if the Hawks sign him to a max deal. Then the Hawks will be on the hook for 6 years”
All the papers are signed at the same time. The Hawks would only sign him to that if they already had a trade lined up. Geez.
And then you comment about how stupid the Hawks were to draft a “project center” in the second round. HELLO? Anybody home? They traded him that night for cash considerations. DUH.
Seriously, learn what you’re talking about or stay off the board.
Lebron
June 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
Ouch! robdawg you been busted for the hack you are! You go biggie!
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
1:18 pm
robdawg08 [Hatter]
That wasn’t me, I promise.
-However-
Knowing you, it’s probably you, bustin’ your own self.
Then you come on & comment about how you got busted.
-If so-
enjoy & have a nice day “Bass”
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
1:20 pm
By the way – robdawg08 & Truth Serum, get a room.
Brandon
June 30th, 2010
1:25 pm
I don’t see Joe going to NY to play with Amare. You guys forget that Amare was one of Joe’s reasons for leaving Phoenix in the first place. They didn’t like each other much then. Not sure what their relationship is now…..
cp
June 30th, 2010
1:53 pm
Seriously the same person comes on here everyday and complains about Horford in 99% of his post. Dude rarely talks about anything else. Can we please just give him his own blog to vent about Horford so the rest of us can discuss Hawks basketball. It has become real annoying. skipping past 20 post just to find one worth reading because of his infatuation with Horford and blocked shots.
Kraig
June 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
What do you readers believe is the best option for sign and trade with Joe? State the team Joe goes to, who the Hawks gain and the Hawks new starting five
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
O’Brien
June 30th, 2010
12:40 pm
We arent far apart in philosophy. I think are mistaken about the times Horford ended up on a guard during a switch. The Opposition coach actually planned it that way. Many coaches plan to isolate Horford on quick small guards because of Horfords lack of defense. This was by design and a weakness in our defense.
You and i agree that Bibby can be a liability defensively but where we part is I dont think bibby’s role is that great. Hes in the last year of his contract if Im not mistaken and will probably retire. This was part of what the thinking was when he was brought here. Bibby is not a major piece of this team any more. Hes still has a high basketball I Q but his impact days are over. Hes now a role and bit player. We are wasting time talking about him.
Grandad. There seems to be a lot of personal attack towards bloggers rather than dealing with the issues presented. I understand you and the rest of the Bubba Crew rather attack the blogger than the argument but thats what b i t c h e s do.
I know that you like to label all your adversaries as truth serum rather than deal with the reality that not every one shares your opinion.
I am not adressing you or any of the Bubba Crew (ken or sautee) You guys try to add color to your lives by addressing me. Get a life!
I will talk with who i feel has we grounded positions. Why dont your argue your points of view rather than attacking personalities. Attack arguments.
Good luck to you.
BTW Robdawg is his own man, Why dont you respect him as such. Rather than attack a person you dont know why dont you show why your view is a better one?
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
2:11 pm
Brandon
June 30th, 2010
1:25 pm
I dont think Joe and Amare had any problems Joe’s problem was he was fouth option on a star studded that also included Nash.
Thats a pretty strong statement to say Joe and Amare did not get along….Can you post a link with some support to that ?
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
2:16 pm
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
1:18 pm
robdawg08 [Hatter]
That wasn’t me, I promise.
I believe you Grandad. Its pretty clear that a Horford Nutt worshippers who cannot prove his point in argument is reduced to attacking personalities. Robdog and myself are not the only ones calling for a “real” center. Hoford himself shared the view in the associate press interview. There are countless people on this sight who are calling for a center.
Address the argument if you are mentally able too. Bubba Crew
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
2:17 pm
*Horford Nutt Worshipper
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2010
2:21 pm
“Wash picks up 7ft pick and pop guy YI from the Nets for nothing and yet the Hawks sit around twiddling their thumbs ”
Uh… Yi is just a 7 foot tall Marvin. He ain’t changing the fortunes of any franchise.
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
2:21 pm
cp
Ernest T. is a regular contributor.
Now – ‘cp’, I don’t know how long you’ve been
on this board, but, ‘Bass’ may come back & say
“how dare you” criticize he for throwin’ bricks.
‘Cause if you haven’t been on the board longer than him.
However, you do have the right to criticize ignorance.
cp – seriously you’re right.
He’s the court jester.
No serious contributions.
He’s basically a manure spreader.
Instead of getting his own blog,
he should go over to the *FFA blog. *[not dirty]
*Future Farmers of America = ETB.
Why don’t you [TS] write us a John Deere letter.
cp – Sorry
Co-Sign your 1:53 PM !!!
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2010
2:24 pm
“There’s no guarantee that a team will trade for JJ if the Hawks sign him to a max deal. ”
That’s not how sign-and-trades work. In a sign-and-trade, a player signs a contract explicitly saying he will be traded within 48 hours of signing. It’s not like the Hawks would sign him to a mX deal and then look around for trade partners. The trade partner would be finalized before the deal is done.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2010
2:25 pm
“Would you rather be paid an extra 28 million or win a championship?”
LMAO… extra 28 million of course. F-ck a championship.
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
2:37 pm
-Hatter-
Gave you all nite to be a man.
If you want a scrap…it’s on.
If not, then talk to me like a man.
Your choice.
No need to apologize, I don’t need that crap.
Just act right when you address me.
Name one time [lately when I’ve treated you with disrespect.
Balls in your court.
Understand:
“you should never ‘rassle with with a Hawg,
’cause,you get all muddy,
and besides, the Hawg likes it.”
That quote was from the great ‘Hawg Winslow’.
I taught him everything he thought he ever knew.
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
2:41 pm
]
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
2:49 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2010
2:25 pm
Yea, thats pretty funny. There is a measure of pride in ballers. I remember out on the west coast semi pro leagues that all guys would talk about who has a ring… how to get one. Even today you listen to the Ewingings’ and Barnard Kings, Barkleys ectera and on and on. If you asked them if theyd give up a few million for the ring what do you think theyd say?
Here a flip side to that I posted this link yesterday…. by the way I think Id take the millions.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Scottie-Pippen-is-a-little-less-broke-these-days?urn=nba,252310
i_am_soulstar
June 30th, 2010
2:56 pm
These types of posts make me incredibly weary of the Pape Sy pick. His “diamond in the rough” status is quickly becomuing doubtful.
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/06/compiling-dossier-on-pape-sy.html
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
3:03 pm
Dallas Basketball.com
Today’s Issue 6/30/2010
Mavs Air-Traffic Control: Cuban And Joe In LA, Donnie And Dirk In Germany, Carlisle And Haywood In D.C.
‘We’re Gonna Get Him,’ Donnie Says Of Dirk – But That 1 Of 3 Simultaneous Pitches
By Mike Fisher and David Lord — DB.com
Tried to link – unable.
The 3 this article is talkin’ about:
Dirk, Joe, Haywood.
Joe's place Joe speaking
June 30th, 2010
3:07 pm
AJC report that Hawks preparing 6-year Bird Rights deal is devastating news to potential Joe Johnson suitors. He wants to stay in Atlanta.
22 minutes ago via Adrian Wojnarowski Yahoo
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
3:08 pm
“Disturbing the Peace – has to be a crime and Truth – Serum must do the time!
The educator took the high road, but Truth – Serum was wearing “Apple Bottom Jeans & Shawty got Low … Low … Low … Low … Low!”
Truth – Serum, I ain’t no Beef with you, but please apologize to my Grand-Daddy?
His feelings are hurt and he really likes blogging with the Hatter.”
How does the emotional gooey girls stuff .he said, she said, blah blah blah stuff affect the hawks quest for a center? Resigning JJ? Getting the Hawks to the highest level of play? Is this a Tabloid or a Sports Blog?
GrymmDaReaper
June 30th, 2010
3:12 pm
Man please, I would trade Joe Johnson for Chris Bosh in a nanosecond.
drmaryb
June 30th, 2010
3:14 pm
Grand-Daddy
Haven’t had time to read the blog today, but here is a qoute for the day, I sent it
to Astro Joe on Blu-Ray’s blog this morning:
” The higher you soar – The smaller you appear to those who can not fly ”
- arthur unknown -
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
3:18 pm
Awright Bass – fried liver it is.
Truth-Serum
June 30th, 2010
3:18 pm
dmaryb let me help you:
“The higher we soar, the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly.”
Friedrich Nietzsche quotes (German classical Scholar, Philosopher and Critic of culture, 1844-1900.)
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
Well I’ll be Dawg-gone:
Bass can google!
drmaryb
June 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
Diary of a Mad Black Man!
Truth – Serum? What an OXY-MORON. More like – You can’t handle the TRUTH!!
It has nothing to do with Basketball. That’s the POINT! It’s just a silly game of ball.
No one died, or will die if we don’t get a Center.
People will always be miserable at the World, when their own lives are in Peril.
You Sir, can take your STANK-ONIA mount the back of an ASS and go straight to HELL!
(Sorry other bloggers for the strong words, but you can also find them in the Bible)
Sometimes you have to talk down to the level of competition, especially when they
have limited intellect, didn’t get enough hugs as a kid, and few brain cells.
Ernest T Bass.
June 30th, 2010
3:35 pm
Grandad Since you are demanding attention…. I think you have a very good since of humor. You approached me in a very condescending tone to which you later apologized and and explained that you meant no harm and the way your statement was written could give possible misconceptions. You apology was also offensive because you still felt that your original insult was appropriate. I did fire back at you, but you know what, ive moved on. Im on subject and dealing with the hawks and what I feel is the right direction. I hope you can move on too. I sorry you are having a tough time doing so. Normally you are very careful about what you say.
Have a nice day
Ernest T Bass.
June 30th, 2010
3:37 pm
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
Well I’ll be Dawg-gone:
Bass can google!
Pretty much, Its not difficult at all You should try it.
Ernest T Bass.
June 30th, 2010
3:38 pm
drmaryb
June 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
How do you do misses riley…..How do you do misses Riley…. HOW DO YOU DO MISSES RILEY?
Ernest T Bass.
June 30th, 2010
3:39 pm
Grandad
June 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
Well I’ll be Dawg-gone:
Bass can google!
EN FAT LET ME INCURAGE EVERBODY TO GOOGLE YO FACS B-4 YOU POST.
O'Brien
June 30th, 2010
3:43 pm
Najeh,
He is not losing $28 mil by taking a 5 year deal. The difference for the first 5 years is probably between $5 – $10 mil. At the end of the fifth year, he would sign another contract. So in reality, he would probably lose $15 mil or so over 6 years.
I know thats still a lot of money, but if he wins a championship, he makes some of that money back IMO. And playing in Chicago makes him more marketable.
and go ask Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing etc if they would trade $15 – $20 mil for a ring.
Ernest T Bass.
June 30th, 2010
3:44 pm
You know mary, dr mary, you are the most fickle friend I have. I love it when you do your ministering for God out of the pulpit thinggy.
drmaryb
June 30th, 2010
3:53 pm
Sautee
Get Em’! Bust that fool in his eye ball! Its all fun & games till you get your eye poked out!
If you need twenty names to blog, that says more about you than it does me!
It says:
1. You have NO credibility.
2. You can’t knock on front doors and get in.
3. You don’t like who you are
4. You probably have NO job, (IF so, it’s probably washing dishes @ Applebees).
(Sorry Applebees – no offense)
5. No self – Esteem (so you can go do yourself & don’t forget the crisco oil – its under your mattress)
Well, that should hold you for a while. I gotta go pay some bills.
Let’s Go Joe!