Atlanta Hawks: J.J. squeezed out of the big summit?

Who's missing from this picture? (slamdunkcentral.com)

Who's missing from this picture? (slamdunkcentral.com)

ESPN.com reported there was a free-agent summit in Miami over the weekend involving LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh.

Other reports say the meeting didn’t happen and others that say it couldn’t have happened because James was in New York and Wade was in Las Vegas and Chicago over the weekend.

Now I’m watching ESPN respond to those reports by saying that the three players did too meet in Miami!

All of this comes after Stephen A. Smith reported that James and Bosh would join Wade in Miami.

It’s all very confusing. But if there was a meeting in some city somewhere, and if James and Bosh really are considering headed to Miami to play with D-Wade (it seems to be a real possibility), the one thing missing from all of this is Joe Johnson.

Remember, Wade had said J.J. would be included in the summit and now it turns out he wasn’t invited (if in fact there was a meeting). What that would mean for J.J. is that he’s not included in this free agent master plan orchestrated by LeBron and Wade.

What it means for the Hawks is if those three guys really do end up on the same team, that would leave more teams with top-tier cap space than there are top-tier free agents. If the Hawks really are hoping to avoid offering J.J. the Bird max salary of about $119 million, and there has been some resistance to doing so, then this is not the scenario they’d want to see (and that’s not even considering what it would mean for the balance of power in the Eastern Conference).

Of course, all of this is assuming there really was a meeting, and the Big Three free agents really would play for the same team. It’s not even Thursday yet and it’s hard to know what’s true.

MC

431 comments Add your comment

jc

June 29th, 2010
1:09 pm

Any idea of the players included in the proposed deal Dallas would make in a sign and trade with Atlanta? I was thinking that it might ne a good thing if we could get Caron, Dampier, and 1 of their young points. I say Dampier b/c odds are they will resign Haywood and not let him go. This may also frr up space to go after Salmans! Jamal, Marvin, and Dampier/Smoove (depending on the matchup) coming off the bench would be tops in the league?

Eric

June 29th, 2010
1:10 pm

Adam

June 29th, 2010
1:10 pm

Did Stern warn these players that it was collusion for them to meet?

Michael Cunningham

June 29th, 2010
1:12 pm

@Eric: speaking of reading, perhaps you should read the blog post you just commented under where i linked the same story as you in the second parapgraph?

Michael Cunningham

June 29th, 2010
1:14 pm

@Adam: i can’t see how it’s collusion. the players are labor, not owners or management. the only thing that makes this unique is these players actually do have the power to determine where they play, so they are quasi-management in that sense. but i don’t think it’s collusion since they don’t sign the checks.

mike

June 29th, 2010
1:16 pm

oooh eric you got owned by MC.. good job MC.. also i definitely believe this is collusion and i dont understand why Stern is not dropping the hammer on this

Michael Cunningham

June 29th, 2010
1:16 pm

@jc: there can’t be any proposed deal yet. i don’t think the story said there was a proposed deal, it just said the Mavs were considering pursuing J.J. in a sign-and-trade. none of this can happen until Thursday.

Eric

June 29th, 2010
1:17 pm

I did get owned, my mistake.

jroc

June 29th, 2010
1:23 pm

Man this some circus isn’t it MC! Its also widely known around the nba that these guys work out together over the summer. I guess Joe is a regular Smoe.

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
1:28 pm

I read where Wade wants Boozer [friend] to play with him.
*(in Miami)
**Bosh once again suckin’ hind teat.
***NY Knicks tryin’ to pair JJ & [Amare].
[cannot remember where the apostrophe goes]
****Dirk just opted out.

HawkKingBibby

June 29th, 2010
1:31 pm

Lebron, Wade and Bosh had the following to say about Joes snub: “We dont care if Joe comes. We could care less if Joe shows up or not”.

nobody

June 29th, 2010
1:31 pm

What is Dirks contract going to look like? Isnt he getting up there in years? Im not saying for the hawks. I was just wondering.

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
1:33 pm

mike – Stern does what ‘bron bron’ tells him.

Sleaze journalism::
Mind your manners & your language,
young “sleaze journalist” person.

jroc

June 29th, 2010
1:36 pm

Sherman Douglas anyone?

mountain_jim

June 29th, 2010
1:36 pm

Well good sport owing up to self-ownage. :)

yoursporthouse.com

June 29th, 2010
1:38 pm

Hawks should trade Marvin, but the problem is these dummies signed him to too much money. Now no one wants to take on that salary for a bum player.

mountain_jim

June 29th, 2010
1:38 pm

I am interested in a summary of the places with cap-space and interest to sign Joe, and the possible S&T players Hawks could get back. Dallas, Chicago, NY, etc.

I don’t see Joe being worth max deal anymore, after last 2 years of playoff performances of his.

Paddy

June 29th, 2010
1:38 pm

Adam, it can’t be collusion if you are a player. It does not work that way. Ask any union member.

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
1:43 pm

Conspiracy Theory # 1:

Two parts:
Part (1);
-S&T-
Joe to Dallas for Dominique Jones + draft pick & or cash.

Part (2);
-S&T-
Brendan Hawwood to Hawks for *Jordan Crawford

*Then we announce Nique to the Atl. press.
**combo guard from S.Fla.

***G-dad’s commentary:
Sund not savvy enough to include Beaubois.
****ASG – bottom line $$$$$ How many $$$$$

dap01

June 29th, 2010
1:47 pm

The current crop of NBA free agents really warm the heart. They all of out to maximize themselves. I miss the Larry Bird, Kareem, Dr. J days.

I Heart Atlanta

June 29th, 2010
1:48 pm

Eric just got owned by M.C. lol

but seriously we all know Joe is not on the same level as those players (except maybe Bosh)

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
1:49 pm

Oh Yeah, -MC-

I know your job is to report & MB + JS’ jobs are to…
-opine-
but, any comments on my conspiracy theory [#1].
-or-
an opinion of your own [JUST] for your “blog people.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2010
1:55 pm

The recent speculation that Joe and Amare will rejoin D’Antoni in NYC would suggest that Joe may have removed himself from the James/Wade/Bosh clique. But the point that the market will surely change if multiple mega-FAs go to the same place is a great one. Surely those other teams (like the Nets and possibly Bulls) won’t stand pat. That means the next tier, guys like Rudy Gay,and David Lee will likely get bloated contract offers. Even Childress could get a lucrative offer sheet if things go down as reported.

Junior

June 29th, 2010
1:58 pm

MC, a non free agency question, what happened to the supposed announcing of the summer league roster? Did that not happen and is there any better idea of who will be on the roster, such as hopefully the last 4 draft picks–Teague, Gladyr, Crawford, Sy–as well as Cenk Akyol to see what he’s got, and I’ve read Landon Milbourne also.

KevinM

June 29th, 2010
2:00 pm

Okay, so the ASG and Sund have gotten together and agreed upon all of themselves to offer Joe the max contract? Did Belkin abstain from voting? Can we really believe this?
They have so much trouble with who gets the seats for each game…how can this be such a done-deal decision? If I took a poll MC of your bloggers, I would think the MC Nation would just say ‘no-max’ to Joe in the ATL.

Jello Biafra

June 29th, 2010
2:01 pm

Players cannot collude, people. Get it through your heads. If you and three of your friends who work at various fast food restaurants (and are all considered very hard workers) decide that you are all going to apply at KFC – where you are fairly sure you will all be hired – would that be collusion too?? No…as MC said, if you aren’t setting the prices or writing the checks you aren’t colluding nor can you.

KevinM

June 29th, 2010
2:02 pm

Junior, I heard that Gladyr is joining the Mavs’ SL team. And does Teague’s entry into the SL remind you of the Hawks trying to get Acie Law to be our PG? I don’t think Teague s/b in the SL IMO.

OLD OLD HAWKS FAN

June 29th, 2010
2:03 pm

I dont usually believe a word mr smith reports! I dont believe JJ will turn down the MONEY , he will be a hawk.
if childress gets an offer how does that play in with the hawks can anybody offer him while his rights are owned by the hawks .
I am catching up with all this stuff and way behind

GT Alum

June 29th, 2010
2:03 pm

MC, wouldn’t the balance of power presumably be Cleveland falls to borderline playoff team, and the rest of the Eastern Conference is presumed to be fighting to see who gets to lose to Miami in the conference finals?

Wouldn’t the good news in this for the Hawks be that the competition for JJ would presumably be so heated that clubs would have to be willing to do a sign and trade to get him. If the Hawks are set on keeping JJ, it’s terrible. If they’re open to doing a S&T and want to get as much as possible in return, it seems like this scenario would give them a lot better leverage to do so.

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
2:06 pm

Does Cenk Akyol really exist?
-or-
Is he only a figment of our imagination?

jroc

June 29th, 2010
2:09 pm

dap01 Bird, Dr. J and Kareem would be doing the same thing that these guys are doing, looking for the best deal. No back in the day those guys weren’t making the money that these guys are making but they did pave the way for these young guys to make that crazy money. Don’t resent the players resent the worldy game of riches that have opened up to them.

drmaryb

June 29th, 2010
2:18 pm

Sportshouse.com

Money aside, if Marvin is a bum? Who should the Hawks trade him to – A Bum Lover?
Where do these ignorant statements come from – if you are so smart?

Mr. Riley

June 29th, 2010
2:22 pm

Who cares if there was a summit or not…its not like anyone of them can control who ends up where…at the end of the day its the owner’s decision which rules the day….and even then JJ knows he can’t be grouped with that trio…it would actually mean he would have to be considered a catalyst on his team..

Wondering

June 29th, 2010
2:23 pm

Maybe players can’t collude but what does the union think of players attempting to manipulate things? Basketball’s labor market has so many rules, and the union helped establish them. Players attempting to distort the market can adversely impact all other players in that market.

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
2:26 pm

KevinM:

-Source-
for Gladyr on Dallas’ summer league team???
Inquiring minds want to know.
Are you a credible source?
-example-
I heard a camel & a giraffe had sex.
They produced an off-spring called a;
“carafe”
which nowadays, can be used to serve wine or coffee.
-now-
Am I a credible source for;
-info-
on “Animal Husbandry” & or ‘decanters’?

jroc

June 29th, 2010
2:27 pm

I hear that LeBron is a super loyal young man. He still is with his high school girlfriend and his high school buddies are his agents and has built a mansion in his hometown. Add all that up and I think it would be hard for Lebron to leave Cleveland…His Home.

drmaryb

June 29th, 2010
2:34 pm

Ken S

I told you that your incredible Post on the previous blog made way to much logical sense and
Your break down of the Hawks “Cap & Trade” situation was laden with too much facts and
Realty!

Five minutes after you posted this morning on the last blog the idiots who obviously
can neither read nor comprehend logic. The proof? Just look at all these bone-headed comments
and fantasy crap.

Save your wonderul and minty breath for the rest of us! We thank you!

Get Well Soon!
Love – drmaryb-

Hawk n the Ham

June 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

How’s the elbow Lebron? Last I saw you play, it wasn’t good, and the resulted play was not worth MAX $$ for that playoff performance. So, how’s the elbow?

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
2:40 pm

Mary Ellen:::

Did you by any chance see my
-hoax-
on that poor fella in the early AM.
I thought you’d get a kick out of it.
You may have to go back & read.
I feel bad about it now, I was just joshin’.

Grandad

June 29th, 2010
2:43 pm

Mary Ellen & Ken S

Ken uses way to much logic & reasoning for Sund.
Reckon yawl can tell I’m pissed @ Sund.

Blast

June 29th, 2010
2:43 pm

As has been harped on for at least two years, this may be the most interesting off season in NBA history ever, and the rumors, counter rumors and innuendos only makes it more interesting. Wow! LeBron, Wade, Bosh, JJ, Amare, Boozer, and now we add Dirk to the mix also! Anyone of them or a combination of both could end up anywhere. If Miami gets 3 top free agents to sign with them, what will that do to the balance of power in the league?

Maybe those 3 met or not, but if they did and Joe was shut out, could it mean Joe has decided to stay with Hawks? Or sign with a different team altogether? I really don’t see Joe going to New York City, with or without Amare. While Joe has been a playoff disappointment the last two years, I cannot easily discount his regular season perfomance since he has been a Hawk. I believe Joe will thrive in an offensive system that does not rely so heavilly on the iso ball.

Swat Native:

From last blog. Glad you are with me about the Atlanta Dream. While Hawks fans are tearing their hair out trying to reconfigure the team on the fly, the Dream are quietly building a championship squad. While we all know Hawks won’t sniff an NBA finals appearance anytime soon unless they open up their wallets big time, The Atlanta Dream are in solid position to deliver the city a first and major championship in decades. The only team in the WNBA that I feel might be better than the Dream are the Seattle Storm.

So as the crazy world of NBA free agency churns along, Blast is having a blast watching the Dream take and kick major butt. They play Phoenix tonight at 7pm, for anyone interested in ‘girlie’ basketball.

O'Brien

June 29th, 2010
2:49 pm

JJ said he would play with another star and do whatever it takes, because he wants to win a championship. I know that most players say that, but JJ is 29 (unlike 5 years ago when he left Phoenix to come here), so this might be his last chance to sign with a team that he knows will do whatever it takes to compete for a championship.

Is there anything in the Hawks history that suggests they will do whatever it takes to win a championship? What kind of coach did they hire? A journeyman 16 year assistant. Have they used the mid-level or bi-annual recently? Nope. Where is Chills? In Greece. And as we have seen, fans need to come out and support the team before they go into luxury tax (or the team has to make a deep playoff run).

New York might not be a good team right now, but their ownership is not afraid to spend the money to go into luxury tax, and they have D’Antoni who JJ likes. Plus they can afford 2 big name FA (Stoudemire maybe). The Bulls may try and avoid luxury tax, but they have an all star PG, a good center, a good SF, and a hot shot new coach. And they can afford 2 big name FA. Miami has DWade, Pat Riley, and the money to sign another big name FA.

What does ATL have to offer JJ in terms of winning a championship? Not much. I think all we have over the other teams is the money. And iif JJ really wants the money, his agent can try to negotiate and sign and trade deal. And I think the Hawks will be forced to try and oblige.

I like Larry Drew, I hope he does well, and I hope JJ comes back. But I’m not convinced that a 6 year max deal will bring him back. Not when teams like Houston and Dallas have expressed some interest in a sign and trade.

Kapoonka

June 29th, 2010
2:49 pm

Jroc if LeBron is so “loyal” why hasn’t me married the girl who has bore several offspring? All of this is fun banter. but truth be told no one really knows how it will all play out. LeBron can’t win jack by himself, so the supporting cast is crucial. My guess is Chicago will get Bosh and James and hopefully start a new dynasty. At least Chicago is a real sports town and they would support the Bulls like crazy. A few more days gents…..time will tell….

drmaryb

June 29th, 2010
2:50 pm

Everybody saw what Boston did with The Big Three – So, the formula and flavor of the day is:
It takes THREE!

If these young egotistical three? LBj, Wade & Bosh believe that they
can be KG, Pierce & Allen? They’re kidding themselves!

Boston succeeded with a lot more than three! It was more like
15 on 15 and great ownership along with great coaching!
If Miami signs these three circumventors? They will be 3 down and 12 to go.

I can see terrible Chemistry erupting – when things go bad?
Who will they blame? Themselves or each other?

Get your popcorn and cherry cokes! It’s gonna be a real good show.

Again, as I eluded to earlier! Character will always – determine destiny.
I also, eluded to the every man for himself theory and that Joe
would be the one screwed in the end!

I recommend, Joe looks out for Joe and his Family alone. They have his best interest at heart!
If Miami (which I doubt) could sign all three, who will want to play with these guys?
They will always get all the credit and none of the blame, when things go
Great and Bad! Miami only has 19 Million under their cap! Will these three split
6.333 Million equally? ROF. LOL. If that ever happens.

People, stop reading the Press and Rumors! Just hold on till midnight tomorrow!

i_am_soulstar

June 29th, 2010
2:50 pm

Yi Jianlian traded to the Wiz..

filtar

June 29th, 2010
2:52 pm

I got a few quick questions would somebody ANYBODY respond to. Is anybody sick of hearing where lebron is going to g in the first place? He is never going to be the player david stern wants him to be. kobe took a step-back 3pointer in teh corner during the finals and it was crazy becuse we all know lebron would have never took teh shot. 2nd question with the roster the hawks have woudlnt you think they are in just as good of shape at the bulls. We have all the pieces in place all we need is someone like say a D-Wade. Im sorry but joe johnson is a b list nba player. he scored all teh pints because he ws the closest thing we had to a scorer. He cant carry a team though or impose his will on a opposing team. yes miami would be loaded with the addition of these three but the hawks with D-wade would be just as good.

drmaryb

June 29th, 2010
2:54 pm

Ham Hocks

If LeBron elbowed in your mouth and you swallow some teeth and bleed?
Would that answer your Quest for Knowledge?

teedub

June 29th, 2010
2:56 pm

I think people just like to say “sign and trade”. It’s the same as football’s “skinny post”.

dawglasville

June 29th, 2010
2:57 pm

If they can meet and decide their outcomes then more power to them. I’ve always had more respect for lifers with a team (Nique, Tony Gwynn, Dr. J, Csonka, Barry Larkin )than I do with money teams that were put together i.e. the Marlins and the Diamondbacks just for championships, but it is their lives not mine. If they get it done I guess I can add them to the teams I pull against such as the Yankees.

Hawk n the Ham

June 29th, 2010
3:00 pm

drmaryb

Do I get some of that max$$ out of a settlement? If so, then yes. Yes, elbow away :)