Atlanta Hawks: J.J. to Mavs, Knicks, Bulls, Rockets . . . or Hawks?
Is there cash in that boot?
Another day, another Joe Johnson rumor.
This time it’s Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reporting that the Mavericks are interested in acquiring J.J. They are over the salary cap, so the only way to do that would be through a sign-and-trade agreement. That means J.J. would have to want to play for the Mavs and Dallas and Atlanta would have to come to an agreement on a trade.
The key line in Wojnarowski’s story is this: “Johnson is determined to get the sixth guaranteed season on a contract that could only come with re-signing in Atlanta or a sign-and-trade arrangement, sources say.” This is along the lines of what I’ve been saying all along, that guys just don’t leave $25-$30 million on the table. The signals being sent out by J.J,’s camp are clear: If Atlanta offers the most cash, Johnson will re-sign. If not, he will look elsewhere. What’s not clear is if the Hawks are willing to pay J.J. the max if that’s what it takes to keep him.
The thing to remember when all of these stories leak (in addition to the fact that leakers always have an agenda) is that no one knows for sure what J.J. is going to do. Last week the word was J.J. was ready to make an early commitment to Chicago. Then he was willing to take less cash to play for the Knicks. Now the latest is that he really wants a sign-and-trade, and perhaps he will look at Dallas (or Houston, as an enticement for Bosh to also sign there).
The AJC’s Mark Bradley asks if Atlanta wants J.J. back and that’s a good question. He mentions how the city of Cleveland has pretty much begged LeBron to come back. Bradley is talking about the fans, but it also seems the Hawks organization has been relatively subdued in its public recruitment of J.J. as compared to the teams of other top free agents.
In Miami, for instance, the Heat have gone all out to show the love for D-Wade. There’s been no reason to guess if the Heat wants D-Wade and if they will pay the max to make it happen. You can say that’s because it’s a no-brainer for Miami to pay D-Wade the max, and you would be correct. However, the Heat also went crazy for Udonis Haslem, who is a good player but not a star.
Hawks management, meanwhile, has been pretty quiet in regards to J.J. Soon after the season ended GM Rick Sund said the Hawks will do all they can to re-sign J.J. and has repeated that statement a couple times. But that’s been about it as far as public pleadings for J.J. by Atlanta’s brass. That hasn’t changed even as all these stories surface suggesting that other teams are ready to make aggressive pushes for J.J.
Anyway, we will soon see how it all plays out. I’m sticking with my belief that J.J. will re-sign with the Hawks if they offer the most money. They are still in control of this process.
MC
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nobody
June 28th, 2010
1:18 pm
Sign and trade with one of the texas teams works for me
Gamer
June 28th, 2010
1:20 pm
Joe Johnson in the back-court with D. Rose would be a monster tandem!!!
yoursporthouse.com
June 28th, 2010
1:21 pm
Let Joe go, bring in Rudy Gay.
Big A
June 28th, 2010
1:23 pm
sign and trade with dallas- deal johnson, marvin williams, and josh smith for roddy beabois caron butler and brendan haywood
UGA Girls are Dawgs
June 28th, 2010
1:26 pm
JJ is definitely not worth the maximum – that should only be reserved for players who can bring in a championship, and I don’t think JJ fits that bill. Over the past 2-3 seasons he has had about as good a supporting cast as he could get and will get anywhere else (if he is the main man) and we got blown out in the second round the last two years. I know folks out there will say he would be lethal with someone like LeBron in the lineup, but then he would be part of LeBron’s supporting cast and not the main man, and so would not command max money either.
Either way, I think we have reached the ceiling with JJ, and either need to look at another superstar as the corner stone, or simply rebuild with what we have
Kgbsfinst
June 28th, 2010
1:26 pm
How many people in the league would have thrived in the “ISO JOE” offensive. I cant name five people in the entire NBA. Before we throw JJ under the bus anymore, maybe we should look at what he does. Hes a 6′8 shooting guard that plays D, who can handle the rock, isnt afraid to take the big shot, and can take over games. I know he didnt do well in the playoffs, but with the horendous coaching we had, JJ could have averaged 35 and we STILL lose by double digits.
I for one would love JJ to sign back with this team, with an offense that can use the unique abilities that our players have. Hopefully that means JJ starts to be a shooter some of the time, and not just a scorer (kind of like when he was in PHX and had one of the best 3pt. %) let Al and Josh use their quickness against bigger and slower big men, let Teague play, JC do what he does, and maybe even figure out an offensive role for Marvin.
Like my question before name me how many players in the NBA that have JJ’s skill set.
Clint
June 28th, 2010
1:27 pm
Who do you think the Hawks would get in return from Dallas?
I MUS WRITE
June 28th, 2010
1:32 pm
Ill be glad when this free agent frenzy is over,its getting to be overkill. JJ is a good second teir player not a player you invest max money in IMO…… Also he is very thin skinned-his comments to the fans were unacceptable and I cant blame those who want him gone.
When your best player /leader??? is a no show two consecutive years in the Playoffs what are the fans to do applaud? I thinks not-see ya JJ its been real,you were a good player for the hawks but its time to part ways. Go be the true #2 that you are living in Lebron or Wades shadow…
Do a S&T with NY, JJ for Lee/T Douglas Then make a play for Rudy Gay and trade ZAZA to Dallas for Haywood or use the draft rights to Chillz for Mcgee and we would be okay for next year -Line up looks as such….
Starters-Teague,Ja.Creawford,Rudy Gay,Smoove,Horford/Lee
Bench-Bibby,Jordan Crawford,Chillz,Marvin,Haywood,T Douglas,R Morris,G Siler
Jamal as a starter will average between 18-21 per game so the loss of JJ wont hurt as much as sum think,we will miss his defense though, but like I said its time to move on
“I expect that from I.MUS WRITE”…..Come on MC,so now you’re doing stand up comedy huh? Its cool go ahead and take jabs i dont mind at all……………..
Grandad
June 28th, 2010
1:35 pm
MC:
Can you do a S&T the way M.Bradley proposed?
A *double S&T* with Haywood involved.
*under the CBA*???
Matt
June 28th, 2010
1:35 pm
Rudy Gay? In the 2006 draft, we could have gotten Rajon Rondo!
Ramon
June 28th, 2010
1:36 pm
From last blog…
@ MC, Joe’s agent must be on some good medication if he thinks Serta is going to pay Joe $25 million just to take naps on their mattresses. I could see a line of commercials now, each one just showing Joe sleep and snoring lol. Coming in during halftime hyped from a game, sits down on the Serta, and just instantly starts snoring and drooling at the mouth.
D Hawks
June 28th, 2010
1:43 pm
I’m very hesitant about giving J.J. a six year commitment. This would give him 5 years over the age of 30. If we have the additional money to go get a big man and a solid veteran PG to make a run at whoever the other powers in the East are next season after free agency, then by all means I want him back. However, if we are still going to have the same core 7 as last year, it’s not worth the money. We’d be better off pursuing a sign-and-trade.
HawkKingBibby
June 28th, 2010
1:43 pm
You forgot that L.A. reporter who says the reason Joe is in L.A. is to sign with Arm Tellums buddy who is the Clippers GM.
Grandad
June 28th, 2010
1:44 pm
Coulda / Woulda / shoulda !
Can you spell ad nauseam !
If Memphis does not re-sign RG,
then we certainly cannot afford him.
Clayton Crowe
June 28th, 2010
1:45 pm
As much as I love Joe Johnson and would hate to see him go, he isn’t worth a max level deal and the Hawks would further restrict their salary cap over the coming years if they sign him to one.
That being said, I only believe that 2 players are worth max deals this year (even though 5-6 people may get them) and that’s Lebron and D-Wade.
I’ll take a sign and trade for Joe if he is commanding a max deal. I like the Caron-Haywood duo for Joe but I wish people would stop throwing Marvin Williams into every deal. He’s a decent defender who could be a very viable offensive option given the chance.
I would look to Houston and see what they offer up as well. I’ll take Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry for Joe and Bibby.
hmmm.........
June 28th, 2010
1:48 pm
Even if we keep him we’d still need a center. So if resign him can we trade marvin, chills rights, for a decent big man?
J from the A
June 28th, 2010
1:50 pm
Too many rumors to take any of them seriously at this point.
But here is what Horford says/wants:
Horford thinks Joe will stay (and wants Joe to stay), but Horford also want the Hawks to bring in a legit center. Does Horford want a starting center to move in? Would Horford be happy with a quality center as a back up to him? I think both. Horford would probably prefer to start at the 4, but I think he would be more than happy if the Hawks just acquired a legit backup center. That would give the Hawks much needed depth, and it would give Horford the opportunity to play some at the 4.
But I guess the real question is: How can the Hawks afford to both resign Joe and acquire a quality center? If the Hawks can pull this off, well, then the pieces should be there to make a run at the Eastern Conference championship. … I just don’t see how the Hawks can make both of these things happen. (It has little to do with being “cheap”; it’s called the salary cap.)
And what about Horford’s comment about team chemistry? He claims that the lack of chemistry is what led to the Hawks’ embarrassing second round. But that is a topic for another time.
Playground taunt
June 28th, 2010
1:52 pm
Joe Johnson is not a max contract player. He’s a nice piece, but not a player to build around. In fact, the Hawks are not built around him. And, if the ASG signs him to six years for max money, the team is handcuffed for years in its ability to build. Just say “No,” to Joe.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
1:53 pm
@HawkKingBibby: “You forgot that L.A. reporter who says the reason Joe is in L.A. is to sign with Arm Tellums buddy who is the Clippers GM.”
Indeed. So throw Clips in there, too. Heck, might as well.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
1:53 pm
@ Ramon: Funny. From what I can tell, Joe has never really liked the whole marketing thing. He really is a low-key dude.
Mr. Phil
June 28th, 2010
1:54 pm
I stand pack. I absolutely, categorically, without reservation DO NOT WANT JOE JOHNSON BACK IN ATLANTA. And I think I represent alot of people in saying that. Check my twitter (@number2sucks) or my website (number2sucks.com).
I would rather the Hawks lose every game next season then to have this ungrateful, spoiled, turncoat, pretend leader and fake all star be apart of any effort representing the city I hold dearest.
I for one will never forget and never forgive you Joe Schmoe. Until the day they lower you in the ground I will hate your guts!
D Hawks
June 28th, 2010
1:55 pm
I think this is going to be an overpriced market starting July 1. The Hawks are better served to react to the market rather than jumping in and committing too early to overpay JJ. I expect Sund to kind of watch things unfold first. I would be very surprised to see the Hawks give JJ a full max deal just because the market on Thursday becomes a feeding frenzy for overpaying 2nd tier talent. LeBron and Wade are the only franchise players in this class. If JJ gets a max offer from someone, then I expect and hope the Hawks would be able to work a sign-and-trade.
Victor
June 28th, 2010
1:55 pm
The Hawks have a legit backup center, his name is Zaza Pachulia.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
1:56 pm
@ Grandad: “MC: Can you do a S&T the way M.Bradley proposed?
A *double S&T* with Haywood involved.
*under the CBA*???”
not sure exactly what you mean by “double S&T.” there can be two separate S & T agreements, but such transactions can only involve two players.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
@ I Mus Write: “Ill be glad when this free agent frenzy is over,its getting to be overkill.”
yep.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
1:58 pm
@Clint: not sure. don’t recall seeing any stories suggesting who they are willing to put on the block.
Mr. Phil
June 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
Now that I have that off my chest. A sign and trade with Dallas would be great.
jroc
June 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
Be patient hawks fans and don’t worry about those rumors, lets see if Sund and ASG are going to poney-up to get their man.
J from the A
June 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
@Victor: I like Zaza, and I guess in *some* sense, he is a legit backup center. But we need a bigger body, a better defender to put down there. We need a big man in the rotation that is better than Zaza. The problem is that Zaza is currently the Hawks only legit option off the bench … on a quality team with depth at the 4 and 5 Zaza should not be the 1st legit option off the bench, let alone the only legit option off the bench.
Doug Cain
June 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
Thank you ‘Kgbsfinst’ very well said. Our first priority should be to sign Joe back. If we don’t do that, no matter what realistic trade possibilities exist, we will become a worse team than we are with Joe Johnson. Plain and simple. New coach, new offensive scheme should do wonders. A little help defense and the Hawks should be successful. The worst thing we can do is to ‘rebuild’ again. This entire group hasn’t been together over 3 full seasons and ATL Hawks fans are talking about starting over again? Please.
BrittishAnger
June 28th, 2010
2:04 pm
Al Horford for Captain 2010/2011…
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
2:05 pm
get er’ done Sund and ASG!!!
Another GM
June 28th, 2010
2:06 pm
Joe will be shooting jumpers for Atlanta next year and the vet backup C will be Kurt Thomas. Case closed fellas.
Rondo
June 28th, 2010
2:08 pm
Hey MC sorry for the beat down you all received on saturday. I told you to beware of the Black Stars of Ghana! Anyway…The other day i gave a suggestion on how to get the true scoop on what JJ is going to do. Remember i told you to find JJ’s fat uncles and feed them and they will talk, any success on that yet. REmember MC….. Break the story first MC and you get one more step to getting the wise guys chair.
wesleywhatwhat
June 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
correct me if i’m wrong, but a sign and trade deal means we get a player(s) back in return, right?
who/what is rumored to be out there on the mavs, knicks, bulls, etc?
Rondo
June 28th, 2010
2:20 pm
Saw a story on Sports South yesterday featuring Joe Johnson when he first came to Atl..The cat was talking about how humble he is and how he came from humble backgrounds and how he would play b-ball for peanuts. Make all those comments come true that you said a few years ago jj. The hawks let you flourish into a star and respected player in the nba dude now what are you going to do now buddy.
ToeKnee
June 28th, 2010
2:20 pm
I think the billboards for Wade and Haslem are a weird marketing ploy, they’re there to show the fans the Heat are comitted, but I could easily see them trading Haslem after he signs to help them get a Bosh or Boozer, I don’t think the Heat are really that serious about “OH GOD WE MUST KEEP UDONIS HASLEM!!” It’s a marketing thing that makes them look good, but they are just playing cards in this process like everyone else.
Joe has options, he seems to be everyones first backup plan (Funny how Joe can never seem to get over the hump) and I think just like all the best players in the league Joe wants to be ‘The Guy’ on offense. He wants freedom to play and control offense. Do you think so?
MC, do you think the fact that Joe is ‘Our Guy’ will have a big effect on his decision? His primary role in our offense and team plans?
ILL-logical
June 28th, 2010
2:23 pm
@ Cunningham: Better packaging of this latest rumor on your part than your “colleague’s” ,who is still playing his raise the eyeball count game.
There are some scenarios where retaining Joe at the max AND doing a S&T with Chillz could advance the team’s fortunes.
For example, acquiring either McGee/ Blatch with his rights could bolster the frontcourt with young relatively inexpensive talent. Add in Mo and there are even more possibilities.
But in my mind, there are some questions concerning Joe’s return that MUST be asked:
1 Will he excert more leadership both on the court and in the locker room? Forget what his “personality” is; for max money, I need max participation in all phases of the game.
2.Will he become a more visible presence within the Atlanta community? Both ZaZa and Josh have attended Atlanta Dream games ,was Joe?
3. When will his game make one or more of his team mates better players? For instance, Jamal Crawford made Teague a much better assist guy by spotting up when Teague drove the lane. Maybe Joe can help Marvin get his grove by feeding and fanning him sometimes.
The leadership question becomes even more crtical when I see the media led rush to annoint ALL Star Al as the leader of the team. Per your observations upon your arrival on the scene,the Hawks could use an Alonzo Mourning type in the locker room. AAA doesn’t fit into that category ,IMHO, by a long shot.
J from the A
June 28th, 2010
2:24 pm
Sign and Trade with the Knicks? Who do we expect to get? Eddie Curry + a future 1st round draft pick? Wait, that might not be a horrible idea. Depth at the 5 and Curry’s contract will be expiring at the end of next season, so no worries about that contract handicapping us for years to come.
Horford/Curry/Pachulia
Smith/Horford/Pachulia
Williams/Childress?/Evans
Crawford/Childress?/Evans/Crawford
Teague/Bibby/Crawford
We probably won’t be competing for the East Championship with this line up, but it gives us some depth without handicapping our ability to make some moves next summer.
Rondo
June 28th, 2010
2:28 pm
Hey MC didn’t the Hawks have anything to do with getting JJ’s father out of jail early…saw a story on Fox Sports the other day and JJ’s father was up for parole and he told the jailers he was JJ’s father and they didn’t believe him…So they told him if he is JJ’s father call him and prove it..He called and JJ answered and told them it is true and told them to release him for parole..DO you think MC that the Hawks are using this peice of information for leverage?
Progeny
June 28th, 2010
2:28 pm
I don’t think JJ is coming back….
Think about it, if we give him the max with no room to sign other free agents in the future except our own what does the ASG get for their investment? Ticket sales will stay the same, we will win between 45-55 games a years for the next couple get bounced out of the playoffs every year with no hopes of getting better except through the draft. ASG keeps on loosing money. AND the fan base is sour on Johnson’s return anyway. This may be a rare time when the fan base’s and the ASG’s interests’ converge…..Save money/gain assets by letting JJ go.
doc
June 28th, 2010
2:37 pm
i sign jj and see how it blends, if not then there always some suitors to talk trade with when the hawks control the situation more than they do now.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
2:48 pm
@ Rondo: the Black Stars did their thing, congrats to them. i had to pull for my side, though.
re: Joe’s uncles . . . i’m sure i could turn the cost of the food in in on my expenses, too.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
@wesleywhat: “correct me if i’m wrong, but a sign and trade deal means we get a player(s) back in return, right? who/what is rumored to be out there on the mavs, knicks, bulls, etc?”
the knicks and bulls wouldn’t need a sign and trade to sign Joe since they are under the cap. the mavs would need one, but the Wojo story doesn’t mention whom they would be willing to trade.
Grandad
June 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
MC:
Thanks, You answered my question,
even though I phrased it poorly.
Double S&T, I mean’t since Haywood
is a FA, MB had him [Haywood] included
in his S&T scenario.
jroc
June 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
I wonder when the Hawks sign JJ would they have enough money to go at Benga from LA and Kurt Thomas from the bucks.
G-MAN013
June 28th, 2010
2:50 pm
MC,
didn’t you say the Hawks summer league roster would be finalized today? any word on who is on it, besides the obvious?
freshd
June 28th, 2010
2:50 pm
The Timberwolves have made it known that they are willing to trade AL JEFFERSON, so the HAWKS should try to make a play at him and forget ISO JOE, unless the HAWKS are willing to do a three way trade involving DALLAS & MINNESOTA, and then the HAWKS would have a young center to go with HORFORD.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
2:50 pm
@ToeKnee: “MC, do you think the fact that Joe is ‘Our Guy’ will have a big effect on his decision? His primary role in our offense and team plans?”
maybe i’m being too cynical, but i think money will have the biggest effect on his decision. he’s (almost) 29, this is his last chance to get a contract. while the Hawks aren’t championship-caliber, they have a good team in place already while those other teams (aside from Dallas) can only sell him on their future plans.
JoJo the Godfather
June 28th, 2010
2:51 pm
If we can’t keep Joe, then Dallas is the best situation. You make them take Bibby, and you get a package back that includes Dampier’s non-guaranteed deal…Hawks have all the leverage in this situation. Dallas can’t sign Joe without us…I’m not sure Haywood would agree to a S&T knowing that he was coming to ATL as a backup, unless we overpay…I’d rather have Damp’s deal which can be dealt along with other players (unlike a trade exception), or we could waive him and basically clear Bibby’s salary.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
2:54 pm
@ILL-logical: “The leadership question becomes even more crtical when I see the media led rush to annoint ALL Star Al as the leader of the team. Per your observations upon your arrival on the scene,the Hawks could use an Alonzo Mourning type in the locker room. AAA doesn’t fit into that category ,IMHO, by a long shot.”
i see what you are saying. when Al made his comments during the playoffs, he prefaced them with “I’m not the kind of guy to get in a guy’s face . . .” which suggests even he realizes he doesn’t have that “Zo-type” personality. but he’s still young so maybe he can develop into a more vocal leader, especially as continues to build cred through his play. we already know he’s a winner from his Gators accomplishments.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
2:55 pm
@ Rondo: “Hey MC didn’t the Hawks have anything to do with getting JJ’s father out of jail early…saw a story on Fox Sports the other day and JJ’s father was up for parole and he told the jailers he was JJ’s father and they didn’t believe him…So they told him if he is JJ’s father call him and prove it..He called and JJ answered and told them it is true and told them to release him for parole..DO you think MC that the Hawks are using this peice of information for leverage?”
haven’t heard of this. sounds pretty bizarre to me.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
2:56 pm
@G-MAN: i just checked a few minutes ago. the roster is not quite final but should be soon.
Grandad
June 28th, 2010
2:58 pm
@ Lewis from previous blog:
Beaubois would fit in with Teaguer just fine.
RB = combo guard [on def especially] long arms.
BU pg & Rondo-esque defender. *Beautiful fit*
Plus adds competition to position.
By the way Mb on the other blog & we on this board
are always quick to name a starting line-up & backups.
HC’s do the same w/o players ever practicing even one time.
When did the days of earning your job on the floor…..pass away?
Some Sense
June 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
Joe, simply put, is NOT a max salary guy; only a handful of players in the league are, and e’one knows who they are. He is not one of ‘em. Max contracts aren’t for a top twenty player…MB says he’s to fifteen; that’s still not max contract territory.
Even to an ownership group thought of as “cheap”, this should be the main consideration in dealing w/ Joe.
ryan
June 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
I here if Joe is traded to the Rockets we would get Y. Ming is that strong possibility.
Rondo
June 28th, 2010
3:02 pm
I’m sorry MC but that story is true it aired on Sports South, when they do biographies on famous southern stars. I was just reaching on that one I know..shouldn’t have put that out there..that the hawks got the man out early…but he did get out of jail early because he was JJ’s father..Check it out the story aires on Sports South regularly.
Grandad
June 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
MC:
Riddle me this?
from MB’s column: [paraphrase]
‘Jordan Crawford’ would not be brought in to Atl.
& intro’d until just before ‘Summer League’ !
*** MY question ***
Is there a possibility he is to be traded
-or-
part of a trade,
why else,
would they wait so long?????
JOE
June 28th, 2010
3:14 pm
JJ is a good player, not a great player… not deserving of a max contract !!!
Dexter
June 28th, 2010
3:16 pm
I agree JOE
Mystikal
June 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
ORLANDO MAGIC!!! Just look at the Orlando Magic. The hawks are not close to as good as they are, but they are in a financial bind because of Rashard Lewis. He was vastly overpaid for his services years ago and the magic are suffering for it now (and this past playoffs). Joe Johnson is older now than Lewis was when he signed that deal. Plus, Joe has logged very heavy minutes the past 5 yrs. For these reasons, I am AGAINST signing Joe to a “maximum” contract. I do want Joe back and agree we will be worse without him. However I’d rather be set back a year or 2 rather than stuck in a few years with a huge contract for a declining player.
My point above is that the magic are stuck with a declining player on a huge deal. They still have Dwight Howard at least. If/when Joe begins to decline I don’t see Josh Smith/Horford making the difference with Dwight like performances. So as other teams get better (expecially after this summer) we may not even be good enough to make playoffs down road along with being stuck financially. I hope ASG sees this before they make their decision.
tyger
June 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
Lots to consider:
1. JJ may not be a MAX player in our eyes but he’s an asset…
2. Horford is still eluding to dissension in the ranks and the culprit is not JJ…
3. Crawford and Crawford are just what we needed…kudos Sund on that one…
4. Sign + trade opportunities could find new homes for Bibby, Marvin, Evans…
5. Shaq sure would look good in a Hawks uni…
HoosierHawk
June 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
S&T for Beaubois and Dampier (Dallas)?
Aaron
June 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
Best picture yet, MC.
GeeMack
June 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
MC I personally think Joe wants to resign with the Hawks, but in the five years he’s been here they have not put the players around him to be able to compete with elite teams.
MC under the current cap structure could the Hawks resign JJ and sign and trade for a player like Amare using players like J-smoove (youth) and Jamal Crawford (expiring contract)as trade bait?
I thinkg a move like this makes the team better and bring energy to the fan base.
Joe Don't Go Squad
June 28th, 2010
3:25 pm
fudge the mavs. Stay with Hawks.
http://joe_dont_go.WebStarts.com/index.html
Grandad
June 28th, 2010
3:26 pm
S&T
Joe to Dallas
-We get-
*Caron Butler
*Roddy Beaubois
*Eduardo Najera
Salaries should match up pretty close.
Win / Win !
jroc
June 28th, 2010
3:27 pm
Tyger take points no. 2 and 5 off and you would be alright. Nobody wants Shaq aka Big Immoral on their squad. He will turn all the young Hawks out like he did D Wade!
jroc
June 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
If its true about Lebrons mother i bet you Shaq probably set it up. JUST SAY NO TO SHAQ!
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
“When will his game make one or more of his team mates better players? For instance, Jamal Crawford made Teague a much better assist guy by spotting up when Teague drove the lane. Maybe Joe can help Marvin get his grove by feeding and fanning him sometimes.”
Joe doesnt do this? teammates have to knock down shots..
I Heart Atlanta
June 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
if we do offer joe the max contract and he accepts it, would their be any chance we could do a sign and trade for rudy gay still?? Like Chills Mo and ZaZa for him? Would that work?
Section 303
June 28th, 2010
3:32 pm
I’m for anything that involves Joe Johnson leaving town. The guy is an a$$hole and not worthy of a max deal.
BobWeiss
June 28th, 2010
3:40 pm
If Dallas is in the mix, we should simply trade Johnson for Dampier’s expiring contract ($13m). That will give the Hawks another year to trade for a replacement for Johnson. Otherwise, we lose his entire salary slot and will have to fill the position with the mid-level exemption. Dampier will have tremendous trade value close to the trade deadline.
jroc
June 28th, 2010
3:41 pm
Section 303 can i get your season tickets it they do resign Joe?
GeeMack
June 28th, 2010
3:44 pm
I Heart Atlanta
Why would Memphis want Zaza, Mo, and Chills?
Rondo
June 28th, 2010
3:46 pm
Wow Bob Weiss doesn’t want the hawks to be a contender next season saying wait a whole season to sign a replacement for Joe….WOW! The nerve of that guy!
Section 303
June 28th, 2010
3:49 pm
jroc, I would still get season tickets if Joe re-signs. But, until I hear him apologize, the guy can go f**k himself.
I’ll be more than happy to take my chances without him. Will never beg and plead for some a$$hole to play for my favorite team.
cp
June 28th, 2010
3:50 pm
I dont know if the Dallas rumor has any truth to it but at this point it cant be no worse than the ones ESPN keeps throwing out there. At this point it seems as if ESPN is just making up stuff just to get people to talk. ESPN has become a big joke…….. If the Dallas rumor is true then if I was the Hawks I wouldn’t agree to a sign and trade if Dallas doesn’t include Roddy in the deal. If they want Joe they would have to give up Roddy. If they wont then no deal.
Section 303
June 28th, 2010
3:52 pm
cp, who is “Roddy”? I’m drawing a total blank…
And, you are right. ESPN is a joke. Well said.
jroc
June 28th, 2010
3:59 pm
I think he is talking about a trade for the Falcons Roddy White to Dallas for a un-named player section 303. I guess cp can’t wait for football season.
J from the A
June 28th, 2010
3:59 pm
@BobWeiss: re: S&T Joe for Dampier: That’s actually a sensible idea … it’s not a far-fetched pipe dream like many are pitching on here … it wouldn’t be a blockbuster … but it would give the Hawks (1) a legit big man in the rotation, (2) mid-season trade bait if needed, and (3) wouldn’t cause salaries to hold Hawks down in the long run.
I guess it would be a similar S&T proposal as my half-joking suggestion to S&T for Curry, except Dampier would probably be a much better S&T deal.
GeeMack
June 28th, 2010
4:00 pm
Mystikal
I am not sure how you say the Magic are suffering for the Lewis deal? They won 52, 59, & 59 games during the regular season, 2 trips to the ECF and an NBA finals appreance.
Boston may lose Ray so they go into this season as the favorites in the east. I will take over where the Hawks are any day.
Rondo
June 28th, 2010
4:09 pm
J from the A what would trading jj for Dampier accompolish? Thats foolishness like the trade Memphis made to LA for Pau Gasol. Are you crazy trading your best player for a sore foot garbage man? Get out of here with that hot garbage.
Astro Joe
June 28th, 2010
4:21 pm
@MC, off the topic, but Horford discussed the chemistry issues amongst the players (a recent AP report related to Joe’s free agency), so can you provide any insight within your guidelines as a reporter? You also reported when Drew was hired that someone would reach out to Joe to discuss locker-room issues. There is all of this swirl but very few specifics. Can you provide some insight? Were RandMo and Collins about to come to blows are were the issues related to more “prominent” players?
Sautee
June 28th, 2010
4:23 pm
Grandad,
Give me a call
Sautee
June 28th, 2010
4:24 pm
AJ,
Maybe RandMo got between Collins and his cheeseburgers.
Astro Joe
June 28th, 2010
4:25 pm
Roddy, Roddy is Rodrique Beaubois. The French guard who just completed his rookie year.
Astro Joe
June 28th, 2010
4:27 pm
Sautee, that would certainly send me into an Arenas-type confrontation with my teammate
KevinM
June 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
Okay, someone tell me where Joe has stated he wants to come back. Someone tell me where it says Chills wants to come back. I think he comes back anywhere but here, and I don’t want to pay Chills what he wants anyway. We haven’t seen him play in 2 years. You think he has gotten better in Greece? Really? We gave away his jersey number the day he left.
Get these 2 guys a contract signed and go out West and get us some talent.
- First choice is Sacramento, where I would like to pry DeMarcus Cousins away.
- Go to Dallas and get us an expiring Dampier, and waive him without repurcussions and get us some immediate help during the season or bring up Caron Butler and a draft pick.
- Go to the Clippers and get us Eric Gordon who would fall out of favor if Joe wanted to be a Clipper.
- Go to Houston, get us a Battier/Ariza and lets get serious about a postseason improvement.
Better results/players on the West side of the NBA versus dealing with the East rivals.
Could Sund be creative enough and have a gentleman’s agreement to work with Joe and Chilz while they make moving arrangements.
Our team should be better long-term come August 1 once this market has cleared up some.
leedsatlanta
June 28th, 2010
4:33 pm
If we can get Bulter and Heywood for Johnson in a sign and trade, do it!
Sign Salmons and bring back Childress.
This team is upgraded at SF, PG.
PG TEAGUE
SG SALMONS
SF BUTLER
PF SMITH
C HORFORD
Backed up with this tasty bench!
PG CRAWFORD/BIBBY
SG CHILDRESS/CRAWFORD
SF EVANS/WILLIAMS
PF PACHULIA/SMITH
C HEYWOOD
BobWeiss
June 28th, 2010
4:39 pm
Trading Joe Johnson for Dampier obviously isn’t a popular move, but there are several reasons it makes sense. First, as one of the AJC columnists wrote a few weeks ago, if Johnson signs with another team, we wouldn’t be able to use his lost salary to find a replacement. We would only be able to use $6-7 million, a level that wouldn’t get us much of a replacement. Second, trading for Dampier would give us another season to find a replacement at Dampiers current salary ($13+ million). Finally, there is a good chance we could pick up additional 1st round picks by trading from Dallas and another team that would want to dump salary for an expiring contract.
If the Hawks were ever going to make a run at trading for a player like Chris Paul or another disgruntled star, Dampier’s expiring contract would be a very attractive (and necessary) piece to facilitate such a move. As for giving up on next season, I would have much preferred Dampier in the Orlando series as opposed to the pathetic performance from Joe Johnson. At least it would have given us another body to throw at Howard. Joe Johnson is a nice player, but he is far from a top 15 player in this league like everyone seems to think he is.
Steve
June 28th, 2010
4:46 pm
Can we sign Joe for six years, but not at the max.? I’m assuming we can. Let’s see, 18m for the 1st 2 years, 17m 3rd yr., 16m 4th yr., 15m 5th year, 14m 6th year – what’s that, a 6 year deal worth 98mill. – I think that’s about right for a healthy JJ. And he’d be 34 at the end of that contract – maybe play a couple of more years or so after that. Would 6 years – 100m keep JJ?. I for one want him back. We’re so close to be a contender – I hate to see us go backwards now.
Simpdawg
June 28th, 2010
4:47 pm
Rondo,
Thanks for setting J from the A straight. I agree with you 100%. You don’t trade your best player for an over paid over rated injury prone center. I do like Grandad proposed
sign and trade deal with Dallas:
Joe to Dallas
-We get-
*Caron Butler
*Roddy Beaubois
*Eduardo Najera
dc
June 28th, 2010
4:59 pm
If joe wants to leave then do a sign and trade…Teams like Dallas, New York Chicago have some Talent. we could get Deng from Chicago( an upgrade from marvin) or Caron Butler (hopefully) But I would like for us to get a big man if we could… Eddy Curry…..eh…..He would give us a low post presence and if it does not work out…his contract expires I know he has some Issues but I would hope that playing on a winning team…Aslo any chance the hawks get to dump bibbys contract They BETTER do it
cp
June 28th, 2010
5:27 pm
lol thanks Astro… I guess I should have put Roddy’s last name… Yea jroc I cant wait for the football season to start. Well I at least have the summer league coming up .
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
5:28 pm
not that you can believe anything that this guy says but Stephen A. Smith says that Lebron James is going to Miami to join Wade and Bosh..
http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/13749/SAS_on_LBJ_and_Bosh_headed_to_Miami_REVISED_1277746052_7166.mp3
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
5:29 pm
so.. i guess Joe and Amare go to Chicago..
todays NBA and these athletes kill me..
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
5:31 pm
or maybe its todays journalism…
pleased with your level headiness MC, @ the end of the day.. money does talk.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
5:32 pm
@Grandad: “from MB’s column: [paraphrase] ‘Jordan Crawford’ would not be brought in to Atl. & intro’d until just before ‘Summer League’ ! Is there a possibility he is to be traded
-or- part of a trade, why else, would they wait so long?????”
i keep seeing conspiracy theories about this. all i know is the Hawks said before the draft they probably wouldn’t bring in the player they picked until closer to the minicamp on July 9.
truthspitter
June 28th, 2010
5:34 pm
Hassan Whiteside at #24 or 31 was the correct move. Leave Joe these people are losers
tyger
June 28th, 2010
5:34 pm
1. Shaq or Brendan Haywood or bust! It’ll take a vice grip to pry Haywood loose…
2. Dampier’s salary is great in monopoly, but we’re still trying to win basketball games.
3. Is Bibby/JJ a package deal? If so, pull trigger…toss in Mo Evans for future non-consideration…
4. Jordan Crawford is going to be a beast!!!
5. Let JJ walk, get Shaq, bring back Chills and we’re good.
wcj
June 28th, 2010
5:34 pm
Stephen A. Smith says Miami will sign Chris Bosh, Lebron James and D-Wade, if thats the case signing Joe Johnson won’t matter.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
5:35 pm
@GeeMack: “MC under the current cap structure could the Hawks resign JJ and sign and trade for a player like Amare using players like J-smoove (youth) and Jamal Crawford (expiring contract)as trade bait?”
sure, but just remember for a sign-and-trade a) b) the free agent player (Amare in this case) has to want to make the move and b) the salaries have to match if the team trading the player is over the cap (Suns in this case).
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
5:40 pm
@cp: “I dont know if the Dallas rumor has any truth to it but at this point it cant be no worse than the ones ESPN keeps throwing out there. At this point it seems as if ESPN is just making up stuff just to get people to talk. ESPN has become a big joke.”
ESPN actually has some very good reporters. the problem is they have too many people reporting on too many platforms, from ESPN to ESPN.com to their radio affiliates and now their local Web sites. with all of that, it is inevitable that they will have contradictory, confusing information coming out. one of those versions of the story will turn out to be true, and then when the story is resolved they will put the guy who ended up right in front of the camera.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
5:42 pm
Oh my gracious, rational people and a rational moderator on a AJC internet blog. thank goodness! If I ever get the desire to blog on that infantile Falcons Beat blog again, please take me to Switzerland and throw me off the Alps!
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
5:42 pm
@KevinM: “Okay, someone tell me where Joe has stated he wants to come back. Someone tell me where it says Chills wants to come back.”
the closest Joe has come to saying this is he would “love to” return to Atlanta, but who knows what will happen. i think that was during All-Star weekend. Chills has never said he wants to come back but he is talking to the Hawks.
GeeMack
June 28th, 2010
5:43 pm
bigdave
Most of the time Stephen A is on target, when it comes to free agent news. However he gave himself an out clause with the “Lebron has the right to change his mind next week” line.
These guys understand their legacy as players will be based on how many rings they win. Instead of putting your career in the hands of some GM. They have choosen to chart their own course.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 28th, 2010
5:43 pm
If Joe decides Dallas is the place he wants to be, Caron Butler and Erick Dampier would be a pretty good consolation prize to receive in return. Get them to throw in a draft pick and it would get even better. I do think even if Joe goes to an under-the-cap team, he will prefer to get sign-and-traded because of the extra $27 million, but from the Hawks’ point of view, Joe deciding to go to an over-the-cap team like Dallas or Houston is a good scenario because it ensures the Hawks can get something in return.
People have mentioned getting back Brendan Haywood in a sign-and-trade, but here’s why I think Dampier could be a better acquisition. First of all, you gotta understand that for all his flaws, Joe Johnson is better than anyone the Hawks will receive in return for him. Period. If he leaves, the Hawks are not winning 53 games or making the second round next year. Caron Butler is a good player but he’s not going to replace Joe. So if Joe leaves, the mindset has to shift to rebuilding/retooling as opposed to tweaking the current roster. Bringing in Haywood makes sense if Joe stays, since he would fill a need on this team and help it improve from its current 53 win total, but if Joe leaves, Haywood would just be taking up cap space on a team that won’t be a serious contender.
Between Dampier, Butler, and Jamal Crawford, the Hawks would have $33 million in expiring contracts — not to mention a pretty decent collection of talent — they could move to a cash-strapped team for other assets. And at this point, I have to bring up the somewhat-less-far-fetched-than-it-used-to-be trade possibility of offering these contracts, along with a pick or two, to New Orleans for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor’s horrendous contract. This has to be the Hawks’ general mindset if Joe leaves — acquire expiring deals that you can either allow to expire and make a run at a free agent in 2011 (although that free agent class is quite weak after Carmelo Anthony), trade for another star like Paul, or trade for a collection of draft picks (although at least one of them would have to be a lottery pick for it to be worth it).
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
5:44 pm
@Steve: “Can we sign Joe for six years, but not at the max.?”
yes. they could start the first-year salary at less than Joe’s max (expected to be about $16 million) and/or make the yearly raises less than the max possible of 10.5 percent.
Michael Cunningham
June 28th, 2010
5:47 pm
@bigdave: “pleased with your level headiness MC, @ the end of the day.. money does talk.”
sometimes i think maybe i’m too cynical, but i think this is just reality, especially for a player like Joe who only has one more big contract. and i don’t mean that as a criticism of Joe or any player in his position. they should take advantage of their right to get the most money they can on the market.
i_am_soulstar
June 28th, 2010
5:52 pm
According to this link…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Suicide-lines-Miller-on-the-move-Too-many-fre?urn=nba,251862
the Hawks will be in L.A. on Thursday morning to offer Joe the max (6 years, 125 million)..
Oh boy..
UGA
June 28th, 2010
5:53 pm
PLAN B?
If we strike out on Joe, what is Plan B?
Childress?
Are we interested in Salmons?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 28th, 2010
5:53 pm
If Dallas throws in Beaubois in a sign-and-trade, that would be fantastic, since Beaubois is a very good young player who can push Jeff Teague and Jordan Crawford for playing time, but the Mavs would be left with nobody who can guard opposing point guards if this happens. Seeing as how the Mavs are trying to win now, with their window of opportunity closing, I don’t see them trading Beaubois unless they are really confident they can sign a free agent PG who can defend like him.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
5:56 pm
@ Michael Cunningham…
That is what happens (ESPN) when you have conflict of interest in almost everything they do… Hey, If I could personally take ESPN out of my Disney profit sharing mutual fund I would…
Patrick
June 28th, 2010
6:00 pm
Someone said that JJ would net the Hawks Yao Ming. That is not happening just so you know…
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
6:02 pm
Mack..
too much of a circus act for me.. runs his mouth about things he can provide evidence to support as if his take is scripture.. his comments about black athletes during the time Rush was trying to buy the Rams did it for me.. but if you say he’s on when it comes to FA ill take your word for it..
GeeMack
June 28th, 2010
6:09 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
Retool/Rebuild after only 2 winning seasons? JJ is a keeper. Use some of the expiring contract & youth to get another FA to come a play with JJ. Convince JJ you want to win now. This a huge FA class that with the right moves could put the Hawks over the hump.
N-Trigue
June 28th, 2010
6:10 pm
We need to go after Tyson Chandler for center and SF/PF positions Travis Outlaw. And if Joe leaves we gotta get Rudy Gaye no one else out of the pool of players we can afford will make us better! With these players we can compete on a championship level! MC have you heard any info on the summer league roster yet? Thanks
GeeMack
June 28th, 2010
6:11 pm
bigdave
“Circus ac”? Lol. I agree.
Simpdawg
June 28th, 2010
6:30 pm
Truthspitter,
I agree with you 100%. The Hawks should have drafted Hassan Whiteside at #31. He could have backed up Josh Smith until he became strong enough to play center. At worst he would have strengthen the Hawks bench. Last I checked Dwight Howard is still playing in Orlando.
O'Brien
June 28th, 2010
6:40 pm
MC,
If JJ leaves in a sign and trade to a team over the cap, how much salary can we take back? Does it fall under BYC status? Or do the salaries have to be within 125% + $100k?
AG
June 28th, 2010
6:43 pm
I think Joe would be an asset in Atlanta the first three years but he will be looking similar to Ray Allen at the end of his contract….avg about 15 ppg at 35 making 25 mil
i_am_soulstar
June 28th, 2010
6:49 pm
Any GM with half of brain won’t sign Tyson Chandler without a physical. I understand he’s supposed to be back to his old self now after 2 injury-marred seasons, but I’ve heard T-Mac use that same line a million times.
doc
June 28th, 2010
6:52 pm
MC i know you and astro have clashed occasionally but he came up with the golden comment to describe all strategies with the hawks ….FOLLOW THE MONEY! see you agree, cynicism aside. maybe you are both cynics. heh heh
i_am_soulstar
June 28th, 2010
6:56 pm
The thing that we complain about the most with Joe’s game is the exact thing that’ll likely keep him from having such a major drop-off in production down the line: athleticism.
His game doesn’t involve a whole lot of it, as he’s more of a finesse guy (Jumpshots and floaters don’t involve a lot of athleticism).
So although the guy turns 29 tomorrow (Happy Early Birthday JJ). he’ll be less affected by age at the end of his contract than a player like Dwayne Wade who uses a tremendous amount of athleticism.
Steve
June 28th, 2010
6:57 pm
Well, I won’t be mad if the Hawks do sign JJ for the max, even though I don’t think he’s worth it. And about that #31 pick, we’ll have to wait and see if the Hawks truly do get a quality big man with the 3 mill. they made on the draft.
Sautee
June 28th, 2010
7:08 pm
Truth-serum,
In the last blog, you said this about Horford:
“Hes playing the best he can, which aint bad. But hes just about scoring as high as he can score. Hes not a Dirk with shooting or a strong slasher like Josh. What he does is work hard every night as a blue collar working who doesnt have the skills as much as he has the work ethics. Having said that, he is about as good as he gets. The upside is he will barring injury be able to be a hard worker for a long time.”
T-s, I’m glad to see you saying positive things about Al. Much better than denigrating his name.
I’m also delighted to see that you agree with me about his perennial All-Star status. Heh heh.
I mean if he’s as good as he’s gonna get (at 24? yeah, right, lol) and he’s ALREADY an All-Star, then I guess by your own standard (good as he’ll get) he’ll be a perennial All-Star.
Thanks for that frank admission.
drmaryb
June 28th, 2010
7:14 pm
Doc
Hey check out this link in regards to CP3 and his knee injury. It pretty much said exactly what you recommended for this young man, regarding a Micro-Fracture procedure for him and his future.
let me know what you think?
http://richiez23.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-nba-future-of-all-star-paul/
Luke Cage
June 28th, 2010
7:38 pm
Whats wrong with giving Joe a max deal, hell it ain’t coming out of our pockets, lol
doc
June 28th, 2010
7:43 pm
dmb:
“The six-foot Paul of the New Orleans Hornets is expected to miss 6-8 weeks after his Feb. 4 successful arthroscopic surgery on his left knee by the infamous Dr. James Andrews. However Andrews removed the torn meniscus, he did not repair it. This is not as serious as the dreaded micro-fracture surgery, but there is a possibility that this could lead to more knee surgery just a few years down the road.”
ultimately, it depends on the language of what a “removal” is. is it the whole or a fragment that is torn and how extensive the tear was to what amount of meniscus was involved? it also doesnt mean both the lateral and medial segments were involved and removed. i am sure andrews did the right thing. of note cp3 didnt come back at the end of the season to err on the caution side indicating more severe injury or conservative care. we dont know the story.
my guess is he tries it out and if he has troubles then he goes for the micro-fracture surgery earlier rather than later. he is smaller than most guys so that will help him, even if he loses some lift he should keep his quickness, i hope. the current care of these injuries cant be compared to penny, sayers or others of past eras as the surgery is different and more sophisticated. you canrt compare that anymore than suggesting the acl injury that ended pistol pete’s career would have the same devastating effects in a player of this era. we know how that surgery has saved career after career . honestly on the day of sayers, the surgery was brutal.
Will
June 28th, 2010
7:53 pm
I sure will be glad when all this BS is over. Don’t really care if Joe signs, resigns, gets traded etc. Just waiting for the day when it will be settled one way or the other. Believe me the world will not come to an end regardless of what JJ does or doesn’t do.,
Ken Strickland
June 28th, 2010
8:07 pm
If we offer JJ a max 6yr contract, he’ll resign. He’s not so intrigued with playing with Lebron, DWade or CBosh that he’d walk away from $30+million hard cash. If he resigns, you can look for JCrawford, MEvans and MBibby’s expiring contracts to be traded next yr, or by the trade deadline, so we can resign AHorford. If Childress isn’t resigned, he’ll have to be moved in a sign and trade, since he has a cap hold that takes up cap space. We can’t continue carrying a player that’s not contributing, and he can’t go back to Greece. He’s lost most of the leverage he had for signing a big contract.
Considering our limited cap space, he’s probably the only quality FA we can sign without using our MLE. That’s because he’s already factored into our cap, due to his cap hold.
So, I see us resigning JJ, either resigning or doing a sign and trade with Childress, then using our MLE on a big. At the end of the season, we then get rid of Crawford’s, Bibby’s and MEvans’ contracts and resign Horford.
AND PLEASE STOP ALL OF THIS SIGN RUDY GAY CRAP. He’s a restricted FA, and we don’t have the cap space to even offer him a contract, SO IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN PEOPLE. If fact, we can’t sign any FA that wants more than our MLE.
JeJe
June 28th, 2010
8:10 pm
JOE FOR DAMPIER + BEAUBOUIS OR W/E HIS NAME IS. HE’S A STUD
JeJe
June 28th, 2010
8:11 pm
Giving Joe a max contract will set this franchise back for YEARS. If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
Mystikal
June 28th, 2010
8:26 pm
@MC, from what you know, do you think JJ is more interested in the extra year or just trying to get the most money?
I ask because we could give 6 yrs for $98 to $105 mil as opposed to the max.
drmaryb
June 28th, 2010
8:29 pm
Mr. Phil!
You need Dr. Phil! You’re the fan Joe was talking to, when he said he could care less if you Come to a game!
I agree with him! You would probably be that guy who throws his beer on him, while he is at the scorers table.
Hate, is a very strong word – do you know Mr. Johnson personally? Did he pull a Delonte
on your Mom or Sister – perhaps? You are a dangerous man who is filled with hate for a
silly old basketball player. Please don’t show up at Philips Arena, you scare me.
drmaryb
June 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
No Trespassing – Keep Out!
Mr. Phil!
You need Dr. Phil! You’re the fan Joe was talking to, when he said he could care less if you Come to a game!
I agree with him! You would probably be that guy who throws his beer on him, while he is at the scorers table.
Hate, is a very strong word – do you know Mr. Johnson personally? Did he pull a Delonte
on your Mom or Sister – perhaps? You are a dangerous man who is filled with hate for a
silly old basketball player. Please don’t show up at Philips Arena, you scare me.
Big Ray
June 28th, 2010
8:31 pm
It’s my understanding that in a sign and trade, we could only bring back salary that’s roughly half of what we’re trading away. So if we sign Joe to a 6 year contract worth $110 million, that’s about $18 million a year. Which means, we could only bring back $9 million (a year) in salary.
If you trade with Dallas under such a contract, you won’t get Caron Butler (he makes $10.5 mil a year). You end up with maybe Matt Carroll and Brendan Haywood. Maybe In fact, we might have to give over another guy to make it work, but I don’t know how all of that stuff works anyway.
I’d rather go for quality depth than just one guy, depending on who the one guy is. A better scenario involves New York, where you could come away with Toney Douglas, Wilson Chandler, and maybe Sergio Rodriguez. At least then you get some guys who can do something for you on the court, or perhaps be used as trade chips.
Big Ray
June 28th, 2010
8:35 pm
If the issues in the locker room are as serious as some people think they are, then how does an extra year and another $27 million in cash solve that, much less make us a better team?
Signing Joe to a max contract (and keeping him) implies that the issue isn’t in the locker room, but on the sideline, in a way. Question is, how then do you round out the roster? Status quo doesn’t cut it.
Mystikal
June 28th, 2010
8:36 pm
What ever happens, just want to point out that free agency in 2011 and 2012 really sucks!!!!!!!!!!
dap01
June 28th, 2010
8:39 pm
Perhaps Joe only wants money and the extra year, which will make a sign and trade more likely.
drmaryb
June 28th, 2010
8:46 pm
Bees – Knees!
Doc
Thanks a Lot, I am very interested in what happens to Mr. Paul, I wish he was a Hawk, I’d
take him on crutches if we could have him here. I wasn’t sure if the lateral or medial meniscus
was removed either. The article didn’t say, I’m thinking HIPPA rules.
I do know he has had several knee injuries and am wondering if he had been cleared to
play too soon in his past injuries. I really only have time to follow the Hawks very closely.
But, love hearing all the gossip around the league as well. I follow all sports pretty closely!
From Golf to Tennis (my passion) and everything in between.
Are you ready for some Football? Oh yeah!
KevinM
June 28th, 2010
8:53 pm
I gotta say so many get offended when some of us worry how much Joe is making…well, duh! Joe is going to take up roughly 25% of the cap this year alone! Me, I don’t care how much Joe makes, and I don’t care how much he makes because I am willing to let him walk. What I don’t like is Joe being the #1 elite paid athlete here. As far as being part of a Big 3, Joe fits. But being the 1st option in the playoffs as a #1 hasn’t worked and it hasn’t been just one or two times. The same result has happened every playoff season! The early excuse was Woody put too many minutes on his body. Well, as the minutes go down each year, the same non-productivity shows.
If we sign Joe back, I think it is again a challenge to get someone in here to take on his role as #1. If Joe leaves, in my opinion,we have a better shot to form a more balanced 3 to take us further in the playoffs. I already know what Joe can do; I want to give someone else the role and let him prove himself to this team.
The max is going to be offered; my hope is that Joe signs and says he wants to be elsewhere. That is the scenario I envision.
Our team ends up better in the long run.
Zach
June 28th, 2010
8:55 pm
MC,
your dead right about the wade situations. I live in downtown miami and there is a giant sign on I95 saying “we want wade back”. I’m pretty sure there is none of that in atl.
Blast
June 28th, 2010
8:59 pm
All these reports about Joe wanting to sign with NY or Chicago or Houston? Did any of these so called reporters actually talked to Joe or his agent? I think not. ESPN is just blowing smoke and making stuff up about the Hawks like they’ve been doing for years. Anybody that believes what Steven A Smith says is a fool because he has gotten it wrong more than right most times.
That said, I like Joe, but if he does not want to be with Hawks, then we don’t want him either. If he goes to NY or Chi town with or without LeBron, that does not make those teams top contenders, anyway. You need more role/bench players to win a championship than two max players.
Folks, please stop with all these fantasy trades and live in reality.
Posts that I do not read:
If you type in caps, you can be sure that I will not read your post.
If you post under multiple names to make the same point over and over, I will not read your post.
If you draw up fantasy Hawks team based on your fantasy trade, I will not read your post, because y’all disgrunted fans trying to make your team better in fantasy land. Now, I don’t blame you for doing that, but I do not deal with fantasy. I deal with reality. None of you can create an NBA team, only Sund can, so trying to second guess him is a sheer waste of time. Why do you folks even bother? Your lives are so screwed up that you have to make up for it through Hawks blog?
Please get a life, people! Joe leaves or not, I think Hawks will be fine.
Go Dream, Go. 11-4, baby, top in the East. Methinks Hawks need to take several pages from the Atlanta Dream. Everything from coaching, offense, depth and dedication!
Chossen1
June 28th, 2010
9:22 pm
Guys tell me what you think. How about resign JJ but we front load his contract the 1st three years and the last three years it tails off. That way you get more for your buck. Also bulk up our front lines with experience and toughness by add these two player as back-up’s (J. O’neal & Kurt Thomas)and at last add a nasty defensive wing ( Matt Barnes or Radja Bell)
O'Brien
June 28th, 2010
9:25 pm
Thanks Ray. AJ said something similar on the other blog, but with some of the suggestions on here, I wanted to make sure.
I am open to Marvin and JJ to Dalls for Caron Butler and Deshawn Stephenson. I dont want Matt Carroll because he has 2 years left, and a player option for year 3. Butler and Stephenson are expiring contracts, so that could give us some more trade chips, or some expirings for next year.
JeJe
June 28th, 2010
9:27 pm
Giving Joe a max contract will set this franchise back for YEARS. If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL
If you give him 6 years, you will pay him 25M when he is 35. THAT IS ALMOST HALF OUR FREAKING PAYROLL.
JeJe
June 28th, 2010
9:30 pm
TRADE JOE FOR DAMPIER + BEAUBOIS AND THEN TRADE SMOOVE FOR AL JEFF AND THEN WE’RE TALKING.
AND U HAVENT EVEN DONE ANYTHING WITH DUCK OR MINIME YET
JeJe
June 28th, 2010
9:31 pm
MC,
Can you please explain how ASG told Sund they will go into Lux Tax if he promises to bring a winner, yet EVERY move since this statement a year ago has been a cost cutting move?
K-Dogg
June 28th, 2010
9:45 pm
So you guys do know if Joe leaves we dont just have access to his money to go spend on anotehr player right lolll! With that being said i wold trade him to the Mavs for like Butler, roddy B and Dampiers expiring contract. Guys if Joe walks that does not free up $15 mil for the Hawks same way with the Cavs and Lebron.
Astro Joe
June 28th, 2010
9:57 pm
Ray,if Drew were hired (in part) with an expectation that he is a better locker-room manager, than surely you don’t consider dropping a 4-time All-Star prior to the team’s first practice with the new coach. If the chemistry doesn’t improve, then I hope that Sund chooses to keep the player that provides the team the best chance to win and reach new heights. In any case, I hope the choice isn’t passive, like “well since we have this problem, let’s just get rid of the guy who is easiest to eliminate”. Ease should not take precedence over what’s best for he team.
Jon Contract
June 28th, 2010
9:59 pm
Brenden Haywood & Caron Butler for JJ sounds good to me. JJ is not a max contract worthy player. Somebody will be doing us a favor if they sign him. If we can sign & trade, it’s icing on the cake if you ask me.
bigdave
June 28th, 2010
10:19 pm
ladies and gentlemen Jordan Crawford:
http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1346
JeJe
June 28th, 2010
10:31 pm
HOW ARE ALL THESE MEETINGS BEING SET UP TO TALK TO LEBRON BY TEAMS NOT NAMED CLEVELAND NOT A BLATANT VIOLATION OF NBA TAMPERING POLICIES?
FIRE STERN
FIRE SUND
FIRE WOODY
FIRE ASG
Hoops
June 28th, 2010
10:33 pm
It’s time for a change!
1. S&T JJ to Dallas for Haywood & Butler (expiring contract) or
2. Trade Evans, Bibby, & Zaza for Chandler (expiring contract) after he passes a physical. S&T JJ to the Bulls for Deng.
Either trade gives the Hawks more options down the road and does not strap them to a Max contract for the next six years!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
June 28th, 2010
10:38 pm
“Trade Evans, Bibby, & Zaza for Chandler (expiring contract) after he passes a physical. S&T JJ to the Bulls for Deng.”
Deng has the 3rd worst contract in the NBA. I’d rather pay Joe a max deal than be on the hook for the remainder of Deng’s deal. At least Joe will take you to the playoffs.
SWAT Native
June 28th, 2010
10:41 pm
@ Blast – Blast
June 28th, 2010
8:59 pm
Go Dream, Go. 11-4, baby, top in the East.
I’m with you baby! Instead of complaining about Joe Johnson (who’s going to resign here for the max after all the dust settles), can we Hawks fans get behind the Dream? They got something good going.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 28th, 2010
10:43 pm
“your dead right about the wade situations. I live in downtown miami and there is a giant sign on I95 saying “we want wade back”. I’m pretty sure there is none of that in atl.”
Wade was the best player on a title team. Joe is good, but he is nowhere close to that caliber. If the Hawks had Wade instead of Joe you can bet there would be billboards begging him to return too.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 28th, 2010
10:48 pm
“It’s my understanding that in a sign and trade, we could only bring back salary that’s roughly half of what we’re trading away. ”
MC, can you confirm or deny this? I was always under the impression that the base year compensation rule applied to players who were signed and then traded later in the season, not sign-and-trades which if I’m not mistaken are treated as one transaction under the CBA.
Ken Strickland
June 28th, 2010
10:52 pm
JEJE-Dampier makes $12M. Why in hell would you want to pay $12M to a big, slow, nonathletic center who’s stats are 6PPG, 7.3RPG and 1.4BPG as a starter, when you know those numbers will be drastically reduced with him coming off the bench. He just wouldn’t fit in with our uptempo OFF philosophy. Think and do little research before throwing some of your suggestions out there.
I mean, good grief, how can anyone make an issue of offering a max contract to JJ, who’s our best OFF & DEF player, scoring and assist leader, but suggest we pay $12M to a player as limited as LDampier to come off your bench?
N.D.T.K.A.
June 28th, 2010
11:02 pm
Okay, “Joe is not worth max money!” We keep hearing this. But now ask yourself, “Who worth max money is coming to the Hawks now or within the next two years?” Or “Let J.J. walk so we can be in on the free agent class of 2012!” If you are a Hawks fan and have followed them for the past six or seven years how many tier one or type A free agents have been lining up to play in Atlanta? Only one guy wanted to come here five years ago that’s Joe Johnson and if he is a tier two or type B player, it took a truck load of frontloaded money to bring him to the Hawks. Keep thinking D. Howard is coming to Atlanta in two years if you like, but history says based on the organization in place, he won’t. What a player is worth is not based on just how we feel about the guy, but what others are willing to pay (market value)and what his worth is in said market. We all know Joe is not Lebron or D. Wade but being right behind those guys is still an elite position in the NBA. Atlanta Hawks are not the Celtics, Bulls, Knicks or Lakers (re: a major market team with advertising, franchise history, tremendous fan support and free agent attraction). Hawks are going to have to build through the draft and retain as many quality players as possible to be competitive to compete in this market. So stop pipe-dreaming thinking that J.J. is not worth the money and some big name type A guys are coming here. The market dictates that he is worth the money if the ASG offers him a 6 year max contract like has been reported. Hawks have to develop there own brand and loyalty to the guys we have to be able to sell other guys on coming here and sorry folks the Hawks are not at that point yet with this ownership group.
underdog
June 28th, 2010
11:08 pm
THESE GUY CAN BE HAD OR LEAST 2 FOR THAT 3 MII..IAN MATLINMI P/F SPURE-6-11,BRENAH HAYWOOD C/7/1,ANTHONY MORROW 6/5 SG WARR…TRAVIS OUTLAW.TONY ALL..CHANNING FRYER..WESLEY MATTHE SG/SUN..JERMAIN ONEAL..MATT BARNES.JJ REDICK…ZYDRUNAS ILGAUSKAS..CAN U SAY BENCH U GRADE..IF JJ STAY OR HE GO WE NEED A FEW GOOD MEN ON THE BENCH 9TO 10 DEEP AND LET THEM PLAY
northcyde
June 28th, 2010
11:11 pm
I’m absolutely convinced that all of these “unnamed sources”, are actually the blogs and message board from fans kicking around ideas.
People dog out MC for not reporting stuff, but look at what is being reported. Then go to some of these message board from other teams, and see if they didn’t talk about it first.
You got these writers from around the country peeping this blog, and Hawksquawk, and Hoopinion, and Peachtree Hoops . . and trying to come up with any nugget of information to report from an “unnamed source”.
andrew
June 28th, 2010
11:37 pm
why not do a S+T with the lakers, joe johnson and mike bibby for andrew bynum
then trade josh smith for john salmons and kurt thomas (i know smoove dont like milwaukee, but it is wortha try
andrew
June 28th, 2010
11:39 pm
starting 5
1. jeff teague
2. john salmons
3. marvin williams
4. horford
5. bynum
6. jamal crawford
7 mo evans
8. zaza
it takes 8 to win a title and this looks pretty good
andrew
June 28th, 2010
11:42 pm
or better yet
an S+T with the lakers giving up josh smith and mike bibby for andrew bynum
then joe johnson leaves, and the hawks sign john salmons
and we get kurt thomas somehow
1. jeff teague
2. john salmons
3. marvin williams
4. al horford
5. andrew bynum
6. jamal crawford
7. kurt thomas
8. zaza
9. mo evans
10. randolph morris
looks good to me
andrew
June 28th, 2010
11:45 pm
i really think if joe johnson leaves, signing john salmons has to be priority number one
i also think trading josh smith should be an option
think about it, the lakers need a pg (bibby) and then they will pick up a player for the present and the future in josh smith
those 10 guys i have on the aforementioned roster would be more than capable of winning the nba title
andrew
June 28th, 2010
11:46 pm
final thought: all i know is this, if joe johnson leaves and we do nothing
we will fall back to the 6 or seven seed in the east
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
June 28th, 2010
11:47 pm
Honestly, I’m tired of hearing about Joe. The only ways I’d be happy with Joe coming back is if he showed up more in big games and in the playoffs…..or if he were to leave and we cant acquire adequate pieces to make the team better,
I’m all for S&T Joe if we can get some nice pieces from some sucker team who believes JJ is alot better than he really is.
JeJe
June 29th, 2010
12:07 am
You get Dampier because he will be an expiring contract, will be healthier this coming year, and commits hard fouls, something this team hasn’t done in about 20 years. The key is that Beaubouis guy
JeJe
June 29th, 2010
12:35 am
Mac Town, I was reading the Joe to Dallas article earlier, and in the comments section, the Dallas fans have him figured out: underachiever in playoffs, jumpshooter, afraid of contact.
Let’s get D.Lee from NYK or K.Mart from Houston or someone
rusty
June 29th, 2010
12:38 am
anyway you cut it jj is not a max player. we dont need him here. a deal with dallas would be fine
darrell starks
June 29th, 2010
12:54 am
The hawks will have make a choice on josh or horford one day.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 29th, 2010
12:58 am
I think if the hawks pursue chris paul then joe will return this would be a smart business move by owner ship.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
12:59 am
MC said – “Haywood would have to be a seperate deal.”
He’s an un-restricted FA.
If Joe goes to Dallas ‘Roddy’ needs to be part of any deal.
*Rodrique ‘Roddy’ Beaubois*
If Butler can be squeezed in…nice…if not,,,fine.
Beaubois would be the key for us. [Rondo clone]
Najera would be a nice [add on/throw in].
Hard nosed + he’s a “B-ball player”.
Guys, c’mon, we don’t want Dampier.
Cheese-burger’s better than him.
cp – @ 3:26 I had already chronicled him as Roddy.
Don’t worry, all the enlightened, such as;
AJ knew who you mean’t.
darrell starks
June 29th, 2010
1:00 am
Chris paul is a superstar point blank period, trade josh and teague or horford and marvin for paul.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 29th, 2010
1:04 am
TRADE HORFORD AND MARVIN FOR PAUL SIGN JOE, CHILL AND FREE AGENT HAYWOOD.
STARTER CP3, JOE, CHILL, JOSH, HAYWOOD
BENCH TEAGUE, JAMAL, MOE, ZAZA, MORRIS
RESERVE BIBBY, CRAWFORD
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
1:15 am
andrew:
-drmaryb- is teaching a class in “Basketball 101″
@ Phipps Plaza, Suite 1332
1 sem hr. BS, or 3 PLU’s for teachers.
cost $19.00 per classroom hr.
I think it’s 4 days @ 6 hrs. per.
You’ll have to do the math.
Must pay in advance.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
1:20 am
me-thinks G-dad just perpetrated a ho-ax.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
1:24 am
*ho-ax – circa 1980’s ‘Lewis Grizzard’ – nothin’ dirty
MsDee
June 29th, 2010
1:39 am
Okay, I hear a lot of people saying that if we lose Joe Johnson, we would not be an elite team anymore, or we would be a lottery pick team, or we may not make the playoffs again..well I have to disagree. Yes keeping Joe Johnson would be great but it’s not a necessity. Joe Johnson does not make or break this team.
Who is to say that Jordan Crawford would not be the next new and improved Joe Johnson? I liked his comments from 790 the zone, oh and thanks ‘bigdave’ for the link. I liked his response when asked, what is your take on all the commotion with the LeBron James? He said he doesn’t understand how a player could have so much power on who goes where doing trades. In other words, basketball should just be played by players and not get caught up with being focused on one or two players…and I agree. I also liked his response when asked, how do u feel if Joe Johnson doesn’t return? He replied, ‘getting back in the gym and elevating my game to be prepared for what ever happens.’
I believe many rookies could be on the level of these top-notch players but unfortunately they’re coming in behind great players already.. case in point, Jeff Teague. Who is to say, Jeff couldn’t have been the next Chris Paul? Gilbert Arenas was picked 31 and look at him now. Jordan Crawford says he plays as if he has a chip on his shoulder. I believe he do because no player believes they are worth the end of the draft line, let alone, the 2nd round. Those players have something to prove. Gilbert Arenas did and so does Jordan Crawford. So I say all this to say, let Joe Johnson go, we have another star in the making and his name is Jordan Crawford!!
MsDee
June 29th, 2010
1:42 am
Did I say, “look at Gilbert Arenas now..” LOL..well, dont look at him NOW but look at what he became as a b-ball player..one of the elite players after being drafted #31.
MsDee
June 29th, 2010
1:46 am
Now, after listening to Jordan Crawford, he doesn’t sound too excited to be playing for Atlanta and maybe that’s a good thing..again he will be wanting to prove to those other teams that skipped him what kind of player he really is. There were 26 times a team could have picked him, but chose someone else. I am looking forward to seeing what he can do on the floor.
_sturt_
June 29th, 2010
2:17 am
Once again, boys and girls… do a little research and you’ll discover that Dampier’s contract is COMPLETELY non-guaranteed, which in essence makes him an “instant-expiring”… or, also gives the team holding his contract the option to hold on to him and wait until the next year.
THAT is a pretty significant chip… what the Mavs fans have been calling a “dust chip.”
F the Hawks!!!!!
June 29th, 2010
2:19 am
Alan Houston all over again. If we sign Joe to the max then we will be handcuffed as a franchise for the next 10 years. It happened to the Knicks, it will happen to us. You can take that to the bank Hawks fans.
bigdave
June 29th, 2010
2:35 am
MsDee…
just his demeanor.. he was on ESPN’s first take immediately after “dunking” over/on/beside the queen and he played it cool.. said he didnt know what he did until the high school’ers in attendance were going nuts. he did say he was excited about the opportunity to join Teague in the back court this summer.. but he can’t really say too much about the city given his only time here was during Brian Nichols week.. appears to be another calm mannered guy.. im fine with that.. especially if he can put the ball in the cup @ this level like in college..
Simpdawg
June 29th, 2010
3:13 am
It’s going to be very interesting to see who the Hawks have on their Summer Leauge roster in Las Vegas. There were some good college players who weren’t drafted. Players like Sherron Collins, Omar Samhan, Andrew Ogilvy, Tommy Mason-Griffin, Scottie Reynolds, Wayne Chism, Artsiom Parakhouski and Brian Zoubek just to name a few.
bigdave
June 29th, 2010
3:15 am
Thibodeau naming Ron Adams to staff…
Simpdawg
June 29th, 2010
3:16 am
Correction I meant Summer League.
bigdave
June 29th, 2010
3:20 am
some tough defensive philosophies will be implemented in Chi next season with those 2..
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
June 29th, 2010
7:21 am
JeJe….awhile back, someone on here posted an article by some Chicago writer/blogger that had JJ figured out as well.
Def. need some more tough guys on this team. Some gritty players would reduce alot of those lae game collapses, star or non-star.
O'Brien
June 29th, 2010
7:29 am
MC,
I might be an impatient fan, but any news on Drew’s coaching staff?
Considering how we have heard names associated with the new hires (Sam Mitchell with Avery, Bickerstaff reportedly joining Nate McMillan, Thibodeau getting the Thunder’s defensive assistant), I’m surprised we haven’t heard not even one name mentioned about Drew’s possible assistants.
Is it that he is doing a good job keeping it under wraps, or there is just nothing to report?
MsDee
June 29th, 2010
7:56 am
Good question, O’Brien..he probably has hired some folks, they just might be some no-namers. I believe he should have asked if Mark Jackson would like to get his feet wet by being an top assistant. It shouldnt be too far fetched since he did interview for the HC position.
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
8:33 am
Here’s the summer roster.. Kind of thin for the Hawks
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010-nba-las-vegas-summer-league-game-schedule-rosters
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
8:40 am
But of course, it’s a preliminary roster.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
June 29th, 2010
8:41 am
It looks like nbadraft.net thinks Pape Sy is just as much “NBA Ready” as Jeff Teague..as they both got rating of “6″ in that regard.
wow.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
9:12 am
Why would we trade Joe for Yao Ming? He never sees the court…Id do it for that martin kid who is a scorer and shane battier. But definately not for Yao Ming. Thats basically paying a salary for nothing. Mike Hampton ring a bell Braves fans?
nobody
June 29th, 2010
9:17 am
From that list of summer league rosters it doesnt seem Brian Zoubek has a team. I mean trying him out wouldnt hurt us.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
9:40 am
Can someone give a brief report on this Beabouis guy?
Ramon
June 29th, 2010
9:42 am
Mac, they have Pape Sy at 6′6 and 6′7. And Drew says Sy can play point. If he picks up the level of competition in the league, a 6′6 pg can go a long way in this league.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
9:55 am
Apparently Pape Sy is a dead eye shooter. So maybe we did get a good player. At least he has a cool name.
O'Brien
June 29th, 2010
10:01 am
nobody,
I havent seen much of Beaubois except for highlights. But I remember one game in the playoffs where he was on fire. He is more of a combo guard in my opinion, but he has lots of potential.
Ramon,
Speaking of 6′7″ PG, Shaun Livingston is available. In april when he got lots of PT with Washington, he averaged 16 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds per game in 37 minutes of pay (for an 8 game stretch). Those are great numbers.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
June 29th, 2010
10:01 am
So do you guys think Pape Sy is gonna make the roster? I actually hope so because I’d hate for him to be just another wasted pick. Well….that’s if he can contribute.
I agree with that though@Ramon
He could cause some match up problems for the opposition.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478)
June 29th, 2010
10:05 am
nobody…..the only thing I know about Beaubois, is hearing Dallas fans say they felt he was extremely underutilized. Apparently he’s a pretty good talent with a huge upside.
That sounds exciting, but the only thing that bothers me is that…well..lol we’ve heard alot about “upside” and “potential” before that didnt (hasnt) exactly blossomed yet….YEARS later.
Ramon
June 29th, 2010
10:16 am
O’brien, I would offer Livingston a contract similar to Randolph’s. Or a 2 year contract for a mil per, with a team option for the third season.
JoJo the Godfather
June 29th, 2010
10:18 am
Beaubois is an athletic combo guard that can flat out score. His points/40 in his rookie year was 22 pts, while shooting 52% from floor, 40% from 3, and 80% free throws (all set on 12 minutes a game). His scoring in his rookie year is kind of what I was expecting of Teague, but of course Teague was never used as a scoring option. To me, they are very similar players. Hopefully Teague has better vision as a PG to go along with an ability to score. Teague, Beaubois, Crawford & Crawford starts getting a little repetitive.
Ramon
June 29th, 2010
10:20 am
By the way, I hope you guys know that Joe is coming back to Atlanta, so go ahead and accept it. The Hawks will offer Joe the max on Thursday morning. And I know he won’t turn it down. Because your legacy may be about rings. But your mortgage is about Benjamin! And he’s going to accept what’s best for him and his family.
I don’t know why people get excited about a possible Wade, James, and Bosh trio. It looks good on paper. However, unless they get a deads eye shooter for the point guard position, all you need to do is play a zone against them, and you will win more than you lose.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
10:27 am
From what ive seen so far Butler and Beabouis would be a good deal. A very good deal
nobody
June 29th, 2010
10:30 am
I honestly think Joe is going to sign with the Hawks. I really dont know if he will be staying. He wants his money. We offer him that. And its looking like the quality guys are all going to Miami so we offer him the best team around him. The knicks and Bulls are worse than us at the moment. I say 75% he signs with us. 50/50 on whether he stays. I hope we trade him for pieces.
JoJo the Godfather
June 29th, 2010
10:32 am
nobody…why butler over dampier’s non-guaranteed deal?…contracts like dampier’s and delonte west’s are extremely valuable…joe & bibby for dampier, beaubois & a pick would be the best deal…however, i believe joe will be back and THAT is the best case scenario.
Hawks fans: Are we looking in the wrong direction? | Atlanta Hawks: Fan Nest
June 29th, 2010
10:32 am
[...] All the noise around here is centered on Joe Johnson’s possible departure from the team. Everywhere you read, people are either convinced that Joe will stay if offered a maximum salary contract, or convinced that he will land elswhere, part of some other team’s star player tandem. AJC Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham thinks that despite all the interest from other teams, Joe stays if the “cash love” is right. [...]
nobody
June 29th, 2010
10:39 am
JoJo. This is very true. I was just saying Butler because his contract does expire so he wouldnt be a financial liability and as a fan Id much rather watch him because with the FA developments we really have no shot at a title. So id rather have an exciting team.
Ken Strickland
June 29th, 2010
10:52 am
Why is everyone so up in the air about us possibly paying JJ a max contract? The main reason we don’t have much salary cap space is because of the CAP HOLDS we have on our FA’s. These are the CAP HOLDS that are being charged to our cap for our FA’s, even though they will no longer be under contract to us on July 1:
$15.8M-JJohnson
$10.9M-JChildress
$ 1.6M-MWest
.854-JoSmith
.854-JCollins
.854-RMorris
1.89–total CAP HOLD FOR 4 unfilled FA slots(.473.6×4=1.89).
These CAP HOLDS, plus the cap charges for all players currently under contract, gives us our CAP TOTAL. Therefore, if we sign JJ to a max contract, we’d only be paying him the difference between what we paid last yr($14.9M), and the annual amount of his max contract. Therefore, his cap charge would increase only in proportion to the difference in the 2 salaries. Chills wouldn’t cost us more than 4-5M if he resigned, but doing a sign and trade with him would definitely give us some CAP relief, since his is so high in proportion to his salary.
We could resign any of our other FA’s with minimal effect on our cap charge. So resigning JJ and Childress, along with maybe RMorris would have a minimal effect on our current cap or salary structure, since they’re already factored into it for a certain amount as it is.
So, now you can see why the ASG is willing to give him a max contract. The REWARD vs the cash outlay you get by investing in him is a far, far better bargain than anyone we could possibly sign to replace him. JJohnson is the only major FA the Atlanta Hawks can afford to sign.
ThaDon06
June 29th, 2010
10:53 am
What’s the likelihood the Hawks can go out and make serious bids for the top tier free agents. I mean really. I don’t know if they realize that if they have a player or players that the fans want to see, selling out Phillips Arena would be easy, even if they had to raise ticket prices slightly…Look at when the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics come to town…man it’s packed…but when the Nuggets or Clippers come in…seats are available…How exciting would it be to see Lebron, or Wade in a Hawks uni…WOW…either one of those guys could win with our bench and supporting cast…I mean really…The Hawks have a good team, but one of those guys could make it GREAT!
GeeMack
June 29th, 2010
10:57 am
nobody
If you take JJ off the Hawks the Bulls are a better team. The supporting cast in Chicago would better if you add JJ.
I agree with you I think JJ wants to resign with the Hawks. You thinks he could get Amare to push for a sign and trade from Phx if he resigns in Atlanta?
GeeMack
June 29th, 2010
11:02 am
Ken Strickland
If someone sign Chills to an offer sheet, and we decided not to match. Do the Hawks get the total 10mil cap relief or just a portion of that?
GeeMack
June 29th, 2010
11:06 am
Ramon
“I don’t know why people get excited about a possible Wade, James, and Bosh trio. It looks good on paper. However, unless they get a deads eye shooter for the point guard position, all you need to do is play a zone against them, and you will win more than you lose”.
That may be true but the only team that beats them in a 7 game series are the Lakers, and that’s becasue a healthy Bynum give the Lakers the advantage.
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
11:09 am
Nobody,
Apparently, Zoubek is playing with the New Jersey Nets summer league team.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
11:10 am
I dunno Geemack. They may have Rose, but our team is pretty damn talented. Horford is better than Noah. Josh Smith is better than whoever they have. Jamaal Crawford was the NBA sixth man so no one is better than him at what he does. And teague showed potential.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
11:11 am
nobody:
on Roddy Beaubois
JoJo was accurate from above except;
he avg. 7 pt. per.
6-1.5 w/o shoes + *6-9.5 w-span
*that’s why I’ve been comparing him to Rondo.
combo guard / dif type player than Teaguer
potential def [Rondo - again] stopper.
former soccer player.
shooting %’s across board were great.
once again more of a combo guard.
-perfect fit-
We get RB & Butler, for Joe, we win.
Caron Butler a noted defensive specialist @ the [3].
CB = high character guy.
**would possibly be the best scenario we could imagine.
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
11:13 am
Ken Strickland,
Well said.
GeeMack
June 29th, 2010
11:14 am
ThaDon06
Then we would wake up right? lol.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
11:15 am
Yes Grandad. I think The Dallas deal is better for us than them. Beabouis sounds nice. Im guessing since he is french it is pronounced
Bo Bwa? Ive always liked Butler
Rufus1
June 29th, 2010
11:17 am
Great post Ken 10:52am
Joe Will Return
No body in Joe’s position will leave 30mil on the table…I am not worried.
Dallas trade..
I would only to trade Joe to Dallas if I can clear cap space. If Dallas will take Bibby and or ZaZa’s contract, I would consider it.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
11:20 am
Am i the only person that thinks its sad that we all have to talk about “Good character” or “Bad Character”? I knjow its a part of life but its a shame. I dont mean this like some people who just say basketball is for thugs. I love bball.
GeeMack
June 29th, 2010
11:24 am
This will be a great offseason.
L. J.
June 29th, 2010
11:26 am
I am considering the Hawks, keep JJ to help me out…!
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
11:28 am
nobody,
It’s sad, but necessary. Low character guys can cause a rift in the lockroom that translates to the court and has a detrimental effect on team play.
This is what Al Horford claims had more to do with the Hawks downfall in the 2nd round than anything else. (See http://www.nba.com/2010/news/06/28/horford.johnson.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2)
But yeah, it is a shame.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
11:28 am
GeeMack – is right, they look good on paper.
But the game is on the floor.
Which one is Alpha Dog?
LbJ or D.Wade. @ least we know Bosh takes hind teat.
Which on subjugates their game, HA?
Bosh needs to think…hmmmmm…Marvin Williams…hmmmmmm???
Do their personalities really lend themselves to:
“BIG TEAM – little me”
Nah !
My guess is they would [hypothetically]
win alot in reg season [talent],
then flame out in play-offs.
ryan
June 29th, 2010
11:31 am
If the Hawks plan to pay Joe Johnson 125 million for 6 years my question is were all of sudden did the ASG get all that money. My second question is they should use that type of money to get at least 2 top free agents.
nobody
June 29th, 2010
11:36 am
I think their time with team USA will really help them if they play together. They already know how they all fit with eachother. Which sucks for us
nobody
June 29th, 2010
11:39 am
Get horford help if that is what he really wants. He seems to be the one main guy that is all for this team. If he thinks itd help then it probably would.
Hawks73
June 29th, 2010
11:40 am
It’s quite obvious that the geniuses at ASG can’t decide on what to do with Joe Johnson. The answer is simple, sign him to a max contract (because that’s the only leverage they have), and either keep him or trade him (as opposed to letting him go). The NBA salary restrictions give them no other option, so if they are serious about this product, then their this is their only option.
You can’t let him walk and expect to sell that bag of sh!! to the fans. Plus J.J for all his deficiencies is still a better option than almost any other scenario (if they choose to keep and not trade).
nobody
June 29th, 2010
11:42 am
Good points Hawk73. JJ is our only real option. We must sign him. Keeping him is their choice
Ramon
June 29th, 2010
11:42 am
Geemack, I disagree. I don’t think that team would’ve beat this year’s Boston team, nor will they beat Orlando (who are about to trade for Hedo again). Bosh is good on offense, but he doesn’t guard any one on defense. Wade and Lebron won’t have a lane to drive against Boston or Orlando. And if Amare ends up in Chicago with Noah, they may not be able to beat Chicago either.
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
11:43 am
ryan,
as Ken stated earlier, 125 million for 6 years is a little over 20 million a year, so that’s only about a 5-6 million pay raise from the 15 million he’s been getting.
i_am_soulstar
June 29th, 2010
11:46 am
Hopefully they’ll sign him at 108 million for 6 years. I can sleep at night with those numbers.
terrell
June 29th, 2010
11:51 am
Mavs get JJ
Hawks get Rodrique Beaubois(future star)(1.1 mill), Matt Carroll(4.3 mill) and a 1st
Beaubois/Chills?/Marvin/Josh/Al
Teague/Jamal/Carroll/Zaza/Kurt Thomas(FA)
Jo Crawford/Bibby/Evans
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
11:54 am
nobody:::
High character guys do not mean
-that-
their opposites are thugs.
It just means that certain guys possess a
certain quality that sets them apart as a
special basketball player.
Lots of ass-holes in this world wearin’
business suits.
-However-
*High character* comes in all shapes, sizes & colors.
Long hair, crew cut, tatted, pierced, suited,
burqah wear’n’ women, Spainish speakin’, old, young,
overweight, ugly, smelly, Presidential, uneducated,
and even people from New York, New Jersey & Tennessee.
While their opposites may be:
former Governors from Alaska
-or-
former VP’s
-or-
former HC’s.
Sorry, I got a little carried away.
GeeMack
June 29th, 2010
11:57 am
Ramon
Miami was ome of the better defensive teams this season. I can’t see them taking a step back with better talent.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
11:58 am
nobody:
either Bo-bwa or *Boo-bwa
*I heard it pronounced this way.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
11:59 am
*I’ve
nobody
June 29th, 2010
12:01 pm
Grandad I think you missunderstood. I wasnt saying basketball and sports are only where bad people are. Or anything neccesarily about bad character. It just sucks that we have to talk about things like Michael vick or Gilbert Arenas at all. I dont know where people get ideas like that. thats all. I understand there are probably more crooked suitwearers than all athletes combined
nobody
June 29th, 2010
12:01 pm
Thanks Grandad thats what I thought
lewis
June 29th, 2010
12:22 pm
didn’t know the ajc offices were in dunwoody, thought it was an in the perimeter paper
ryan
June 29th, 2010
12:22 pm
If the Hawks sign Joe to that max deal for 125 mill for 6 year then i think trade is in the works. It will be a package deal for Chris Paul NO gets Jamal Crawford & Josh Smith. And Joe will finally have help. Joe never got along with Josh and that was the problem coaches did to.
Ramon
June 29th, 2010
12:32 pm
Ryan, where did you read this that Joe never got along with Josh? Because it often seemed as if Josh got along with everyone not named Woody. And Josh never complained about anything that Horford didn’t complain about also (the backcourt taking too many bad shots).
TONE
June 29th, 2010
12:45 pm
Anybody else find it interesting that there was a so called summit meeting between Lebron,Wade, and Bosh and JJ wasn’t mentioned ,but Boozer was ? if somebody else has already mentioned this Im sorry i have actually had to work today and fell behind on the blogs.
lewis
June 29th, 2010
12:46 pm
Ramon, think objectively about Josh Smith for a second. You don’t need to read it anywhere, just observe the decisions he makes on the court. I love Josh Smith even through all of his obnoxiousness, and he does make more good plays than bad, but it’s quite easy to see why he wouldn’t get along well with others. (Hey…I’m josh smith…i’m just going to completely regress and start hoisting up 3’s and displaying unnecessary emotional distress in the playoffs because things aren’t going my way and Joe’s hogging the ball)
I’m sure Al and Joe would love for Josh to leave.
MojoD
June 29th, 2010
1:00 pm
Why would any of you want to bring Joe Johnson back? Why? After what he showed in the playoffs. Lack of any emotions whatsoever. Hell, the only Hawk I saw busting it out the whole game even when down by 25+ was Al Horford. Now I think we should definitely do a sign and trade if at all possible rather than just letting JJ leave. But if you’re going to fire your coach who bumped the win totals up 6 years in a row and then lose your star player, you better have big plans to make up for such. I’m tired of ASG and have no intentions on supporting them if they don’t make some serious changes. It’s not the player’s fault the owners are a bunch of idiots. I would like to see a sign and trade. Dallas makes sense. There are other teams out there and possible multi team trades that would make sense. I’d love Caron Butler and John Salmons here in the Atl. What are the chances? I don’t know, but don’t just let Joe walk for nothing. At least get a few expiring contracts so we can one day sign a big name free agent.
O'Brien
June 29th, 2010
1:00 pm
Ramon,
It has been documented that there has been Chemistry issues with the team. What we don’t know is who’s to blame. Was it Josh? Was it Woody? Was it Jamal? So ryan is just speculating.
lewis,
We cannot put it all on Josh. Because what was Woody doing when Josh was hoisting up these 3s? I remember an article where Josh said Woody does not give him too much grief about his ill-advised shots because Woody knows how he does many other things well. Where was Woody when Josh was sulking and taking plays off? Standing there with his arms folded.
I dont think Al and Joe would love for Josh to leave. Josh is a game changer on defense, 2nd in NBA DPOY, and all NBA defense. I’m sure what Al and Jow would like to see, is for Josh to have better sshot selection, and better focus.
However, given Al’s comment about needing help (which we obviously do), I hope Sund is actively looking for somebody to help rebound and defend the bigger guys. And if trading Josh makes the team better, so be it.
Nate ArchiBALL
June 29th, 2010
1:03 pm
Shaun Livingston would be a great back up PG. He definitely brings more to the table than Mario West ever will. Fill your bench with quality basketball players.
Grandad
June 29th, 2010
1:03 pm
nobody:
I think maybe I understood…..
sometimes I just decide to go off on a tangent.
No harm, no foul.
-Seriously-
nothing negative directed @ you.
+Plus+
I’m real Big on *[High Character/Team] guys in B-ball.
*Horford = Battier = Rodman = Oakley = Hondo = Bill Russell.
*Seems incongruent…doesn’t it.
-Also-
I agree about the negative crap in sports/athletics these days.
Steroids.gambling.guns.infidelity.ME 1st mentality.Dawg fightin’
………………………………………………………..
Now I’m depressed.
kelvin davis
June 29th, 2010
1:30 pm
Now when I sit here and think about it I believe that Joe will resign with us for the max. Yes he had a rough playoff series against the Magics but it was out of frustration and we as the fans didn’t make it easy for him by talking about him. But It would make since for us to sign him to the max, maybe work a trade for Chris Paul. Jamal Crawford and Al Horford are the only guys who aren’t touchable on the Hawks, but I do believe Joe will stay.
drmaryb
June 29th, 2010
1:41 pm
OBRIEN
Word is allegedly, in the Milwaukee series Joe got in Josh’s and a few others faces for
being immature and unprofessional: word is Joe was very vocal in that regard.
1. Josh tried to be Like Noah and said, “Everybody knows there is nothing to do in Milwaukee!”
& “Maybe, ill go to Ruth Chris’ Steak House.”. Only to find, there isn’t a Ruth Chris’ in Milwaukee!
Josh, single handedly fired up the City and the Bucks and provided them with instant motivation and blackIboard material!
2. When checking into the Hotel, there were 3 stretch Hummer Limos parked out front and
Woodson asked the clerk what celebrity was in town? Later, Woodson realized that
Josh had ordered the Limos and was headed to Chicago (approx. 1.5 hours away) for a night out.
Joe’s stance was: Nothing to do? How about win a game! In regards to the Limos?
Joe’s stance was: This is a business trip and not a family vacation!
I don’t think Josh was very receptive to the admonishment from Joe. = Chemistry Issues.
O'Brien
June 29th, 2010
2:31 pm
drmaryb,
From day 1, Drew said he wants Josh to be in the post, not on the perimeter. In 6 years, did we ever hear that from Woody?
So how much of Josh’s attitude was a result of Woody letting him do whatever he wants? Drew knows the issues, including Josh and his bad habits, so I suspect Drew will do a better job of getting Josh to buy in and be more focused. And if Josh does not follow along, I think he will be held accountable. Something Woody never did.
If I’m Drew, I’m in JJ’s ears telling him “I know what the chemistry issues are, I know who the problems are. Here is what I can do to fix them. And Rick has my back”.
And Rick should say “JJ, I’m behind Larry, so there will be more accountability. And here is your 6 year max deal”.
lewis
June 29th, 2010
3:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9aoQkMVls
Hoops
June 29th, 2010
3:09 pm
Here’s your line up Hawks fans if you sign JJ and trade Bibby/Evans/Zaza for Chandler:
PG-Teague, Livingston
SG-JJ, Crawford, Crawford2
SF-Childress, Marvin
PF-Josh, Morris
C-Horford, Chandler, Siler
Here’s your line up if we S&T JJ with Dallas & trade Bibby/Evans/Zaza for Chandler:
PG-Teague, Crawford, Livingston
SG-Childress,Crawford2
SF-Butler, Marvin
PF-Horford, Josh, Morris
C-Chandler, Haywood, Siler
I believe that the secong line up is better!
Sautee
June 29th, 2010
3:19 pm
Hoops,
What possible motivation would CHA have for accepting that trade?
Joe Don't Go Squad
June 29th, 2010
6:24 pm
http://joe_dont_go.webstarts.com/index.html
Taylor
June 29th, 2010
6:35 pm
Knowing what I know from dallasbasketball.com…. Beaubois will only be included in a trade for a #1 option next to Dirk. The assets Dallas is willing to give up for Joe….
Butler
Dampier
3 first round draft picks (2011, 2013, 2015)
No. 25 overall Dominique Jones
Any deal such as Butler/Beaubois….Dampier/Beaubois….. Atlanta wins. Cuban isn’t very willing to let him go.
Taylor
June 29th, 2010
6:40 pm
And Haywood. Dallas is after Gortat, Chandler or Jefferson so I assume Cuban would be willing to part with him for JJ
dap01
June 29th, 2010
7:42 pm
I would rather JJ not play with the Hawks, S&T him.
Ken Strickland
June 29th, 2010
9:06 pm
GEEMACK-according to what I read, he becomes the problem of the team that signs him, and his cap charge to us is wiped off. That’s what makes JChildress’ situation so intriguing. If we resign him, we get an excellent player for well under his value, since all of his leverage is gone. On the other hand, because of a quirk in the rules, his base salary has been multiplied by 3, and we’d be stuck with his high $10.9M CAP charge. I doubt seriously if we could sign a player with his overall skills, maturity, high basketball IQ, versatility and efficiency for anywhere near $4-5M.
If all we managed to do is sign JJ, Chills, and a center with our MLE, we would have a damned good team.
STARTERS:
PG-JTeague
SG-JJ
SF-Childress
PF-JSmith
C-AHorford
BENCH:
JaCrawford
ZPachulia
MWilliams
MBibby
JoCrawford
MEvans
MLE(center)
A team comprised of these players could be both exciting and deadly.
Chief Long Rod
June 29th, 2010
9:24 pm
Sign and trade jj and jsmoove for millsap or boozer and Hayward from Utah
pg: teague
sg: Jamal
sf: hayward
pf: horford or millsap
c: horford or boozer
Chief Long Rod
June 29th, 2010
9:27 pm
Sign and trade jj and smoove for al Jefferson and Wes Johnson from the twolves
pg: teague
sg: Jamal
sf: Wes Johnson
pf: horford
c: Jefferson
Hoops
June 29th, 2010
9:36 pm
Sautee,
The Bobcats have been rumored for a while to want to trade Chandler to get rid of that contract. Evans has an expiring contract. Zaza would be a replacement big for Chandler that has a reasonable contract. Bibby has to be included to make the trade legal by NBA trade rules and he is a shooter off the bench. I would push for this trade hard. Chandler could help the Hawks @ the center position if he passes his physical and is healthy again and he has an expiring contract.
Ken Strickland
June 29th, 2010
9:45 pm
RUFUS1-JJ can still get a max 6yr contract without agreeing to become a Hawk. All he has to do is insist on a sign and trade, and if we agree, we will sign him to a max 6yr contract, and then trade him and that contract to the team he wants to play for.
If I was a HC or GM, I’d be very leery of signing AStaudemire. He doesn’t play much DEF, and there’s no way of determining how much of what he does offensively is the result of playing with SNash and the Suns OFF system. He could very easily end up becoming the near flop that SMarion became after being traded away from the Suns OFF system and what SNash does.
Mavs fan
June 29th, 2010
11:31 pm
I hate to break it to you Hawks fans, but you probably can touch anything the Mavs have besides RODDY BEAUBOIS and Dirk Nowitzki. Even if LeBron was to come to Dallas in a S&T, Cuban will try with ALL his might to convince the Cavs FO to not demand Roddy. (They think Roddy has the potential of top 10 in the NBA)
Point is, i think Dallas will be more than willing to trade for Joe Johnson and give up DAMP, BUTLER, Jason Terry, future seven first rounders, basically anything. But when it comes to those two pieces, don’t expect them to be in an ATL uniform next season.
Also i would like some insight on how you view Haywood and Jason Terry.
Would you consider Jason Terry(Has a Dampier-like contract in 2010-11) to be in a package and be a sixth man behind Crawford?
Also about Haywood, i can tell you that the Mavericks wouldn’t squint at the thought of giving him to you guys if it meant getting JJ. But why all this talk about him being a back up? I Think your team needs major help on Interior defense to guard the Howard’s/Bogut’s of the world. Why not start him at the Center and bump Horford to the Power Forward(Natural fit imho). I think if you guys get Haywood it will be a way better season next year, even if you lost JJ.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
June 30th, 2010
1:54 am
Good reading ! ….. Esp. DrMaryB and Grandad.
Streak
June 30th, 2010
4:00 am
You guys have no freaking idea what Dampier is worth.
1. Dampier is a sorefoot garbage man…..MISS. Teams want to trade for Dampier not because they’re in need of a center. Heck, they will trade for Dampier even if he’s got no feet to play with
2. Dampier’s contract is expiring…another MISS. You wouldn’t really want to pay him 10 to 16m just for backup minutes, wont you? Of course not, because…
3. Dampier’s contract “with 1 year left on it” is unguaranteed. It means that the second you sign and trade for him, you waive him. Isnt that nice? You lose JJ, but you get some draft picks, and perhaps Roddy. Makes your owner happier by getting assets and at the same time, some,(around 10 to 16m) spending relief.
But wait…there’s more…
You could actually bring in a team with a quality Free Agent (like Lebron?) and sign and trade for him using your newly acquired DAMPIER UNGUARANTEED CONTRACT (worth 16m?) and some FILLERS of your own(draft picks, rookies).Tadaaaaa!!
Dampier + Crawford = Lebron!!!!
.
nobody
June 30th, 2010
9:17 am
Streak. Who exactly is going to sign Lebron just to trade him?
Dallasmavsfan
June 30th, 2010
10:46 am
As a mavs fan, I can tell you this. If we do a S&T for JJ, WE will NOT be sending Roddy B, Butler & Damp’s contract back. Lets be honest from both sides. Roddy B is not being traded to ATL for JJ. Thats a fact. Id hope not to give up Butler as well, but that may not be an option. The most likely two situations are: 1) JJ for Butler & Haywood or 2) JJ for Damp’s contract and picks.
hmmmSund
June 30th, 2010
12:00 pm
GM Sund is known to let the big names and big salaries go… (See Ray Allen and Gary Payton)
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Chief Long Rod
June 30th, 2010
10:18 pm
Go big hawks!!!
S and T JJ and chills for melo
trade smoove and zaza for al Jefferson
then you have more cap space and conince d Wade to come to atl
lineup:
pg: teague
sg: Wade
sf: melo
pf: horford
c: Jefferson
bench: Jamal crawford/Jordan crawford/mo evans/bibby/Joe smith?/Marvin Williams/pape sy?/other fa they sign?
Streak
June 30th, 2010
10:21 pm
@nobody
Why, the Cavs, of course. Look, if, Lebron leaves without getting at least something (like Roddy, or Butler, or Crawford), then who is going to earn money for the Cavs’ owner?
You really believe the Cavs management can tell Lebron “Go. Even without you, we can still sell tickets and earn money”
The Cavs will want a replacement for Lebron to at least provide a glimmer of hope for the Cavs management, and the Cavs fans.
Now, in a sign and trade, its the player that dictates where he goes. it goes likes this. Lebron says “Either trade me to Dallas (or Atlanta), or I walk to New York (or Chicago). And if you do trade me, make sure I get to play with Dirk and Kidd (or Horford and Bibby)”
If they answer ” go to New York/Chicago”, I already explained what happens. Zero tickets = Zero income.
If they answer “Fine. We’ll trade you to Dallas” Then they sign Lebron. But, he is signed for the purpose of trading him to Dallas. Otherwise, the Cavs management get sued. This is what a sign-and-trade is; otherwise, no one would have coined that term.
So, they trade him to Dallas for who? Now, the Cavs management realizes that although they’ll be getting replacements for Lebron, he won’t be selling as much to the fans. So, as much as possible, they get deals that lessens their spending.
This is where Dampier’s contract comes in (no, not Dampier. Dampier’s contract).
Cavs get Dampier’s contract and waives it instantly (that’s minus 16m in an instant), then they (may) get Roddy who is a promising star, and a few future picks for faster rebuilding.
The Cavs can’t get any other better deal than that.