Atlanta Hawks: Could these draft prospects help the Hawks now?
Could this be Atlanta's next 'Nique? (Atoyia Deans, St. Pete Times)
Before you can begin to examine the players the Hawks will consider drafting with the No. 24 pick on Thursday, you first must understand the competing philosophies at play.
As they wind down their draft preparations, GM Rick Sund, assistant GM Dave Pendergraft, Hawks scouts and L.D. must decide if they want to draft a player with a skill (or skills) that can help the team now but with limited upside, or take a prospect who likely won’t see minutes early but could develop later into a good NBA player. The Hawks are compiling a list of players in each pool.
“First, we have to decide which way to go,” Pendergraft said. He declined to name names but he and others provided enough clues for me to make some educated guesses. I fully expect to be hated on when the Hawks inevitably don’t draft any of these guys.
Once the Hawks determine their strategy, they then have to figure out which prospects are likely to be there when they pick. Considering the league office had a tough time completing its list of 15 players to invite to the “green room” in New York, you know how much guesswork goes into the Hawks figuring out which players will be there at No. 24.
“Do we figure out who is drafting who?” Pendergraft said. “Or do we try to continue to evaluate the players on tape and do background info on them? You want to know exactly who is taking who, but you are not going to get it [down] to the team anyway.” He said the Hawks have done “a bit of both” as draft day approaches.
Pendergraft was optimistic about the depth of the draft during the college season but grew pessimistic early in the postseason draft process. With the draft a couple days away, he’s somewhere in between.
“I think we will be glad to get a guy we are happy to have,” he said.
A look at the players that could be available at No. 24 that the Hawks might consider, from among the “could help them now” pool. I’ll have stuff on the long-term potential guys in a later blog post.
NBA skill now
Gani Lawal, F, 6-9, Georgia Tech
“One thing I think always translates from the college game to NBA is rebounding,” Pendergraft said, and that explains Atlanta’s interest in Lawal despite his projection to play power forward, where the Hawks have Smoove, Al and Zaza as options.
Lawal ranked 25th in the NCAA in pace-adjusted rebounds, according to Draftexpress.com. Lawal ranks seventh in that stat among sure-fire and possible first rounders, behind DeMarcus Cousins, Cole Aldrich, Larry Sanders, Hassan Whiteside, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Jarvis Varnado.
Trevor Booker, F, 6-7, Clemson
“Booker is a heck of a rebounder,” Pendergraft said. “Both of them [Booker and Lawal] have the physical presence. They are not going to get crushed.” Booker projects as a power forward and is undersized for the position, but according to NBADraft.net he “shows the ability to step out on the perimeter and knock down the jumper, even showing three point range at times” and “can also use his handle and quickness to blow by bigger defenders.”
So perhaps Booker could provide the Hawks more than just rebounding.
Jordan Crawford, G, 6-4, Xavier
Crawford canceled his workout with the Hawks and Pendergraft isn’t confident he will still be available at No. 24. DraftExpress.com has has Crawford going 27th to the Nets, so it’s possible Atlanta will have a shot at him. If he’s there and the Hawks want a scorer, Crawford might be the guy.
“He’s like a miniature version of Jamal [Crawford],” Pendergraft said.
Says DraftExpress: “[H]e is efficient in virtually every situation, and shouldered a heavy load for Xavier, but his inability to get to the foul line prevents him from standing out as much as he probably could. The second most efficient player in our rankings overall (1.014 PPP), Crawford gets fouled on his 5.1% of his shots (3rd last). A highly ranked catch and shoot player with or without a hand in his face, Crawford’s inability to draw fouls renders him as a below average finisher at .993 PPP.”
Dominique Jones, 6-4, G, South Florida
Jones, whose stock reportedly is on the rise, is another scorer: DraftExpress says he’s “both a high usage and high efficiency scorer, which is a rare combination to find.”
Pendergraft said Jones gets his points less by shooting well and more by getting to the basket. “He will find a way to score,” is how Pendergraft put it. “He’s such a great ballhandler. He’s so strong. He can get in the paint, and anytime you can get a guy in the paint [on] the dribble-drive, something good happens.”
Terrico White, 6-3, G, Ole Miss
Whits is a scorer like Jones but a better shooter. “Terrico White eventually is going to be a good enough shooter that the coach is going to run plays to get him open,” Pendergraft said. DraftExpress knocks White’s aggressiveness: “For a player with such excellent physical tools, you would have liked to see him get to the rim or draw more fouls than he was able to at Ole Miss.”
MC
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JC
June 22nd, 2010
5:22 pm
NO way, First!
josh
June 22nd, 2010
5:22 pm
interesting – wonder what the hawks decide their strategy is gonna be.
Truth-Serum
June 22nd, 2010
5:32 pm
Hey Hawks do something amazing, this it the NBA right? Make a significant trade/FApickup. Move up in the draft. GET A CENTER.
Better sell the team and fire yourselves.
Mike con ham ask Mark Bradley if he can help you or take over as beat writer for the hawks. You are very narrow and as JeJe pointed out your writing… well… Ill bet sells are down at the ajc arent they?
Id appreciate if you could (until the AJC can find a replacement for you) change the negative tone out of your overly opinionated writing. Feature writing is one thing. Forcing this site to align to your ill founded opinion is another. Youd be better suited as a blogger rather than an engine for conversation about the Hawks.
Truth-Serum
June 22nd, 2010
5:33 pm
*Better, sell the team and fire yourselves
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
5:40 pm
@Truth: actually, i think if i tell my bosses you and JeJe hate my stuff i might get a raise.
Eddie
June 22nd, 2010
5:45 pm
if one of the 7 fotters are there you take them
T-BIGGS
June 22nd, 2010
5:48 pm
It seems to be painfully obvious to everyone except atlanta management that the hawks need a center so that horford can move to his natural 4 spot.That move alone will make the hawks better.
clarkekent
June 22nd, 2010
5:57 pm
we need to trade for rudy gay… sund should make moves as if joe is leaving. do not let a player handcuff the organization. we have assets to aquire him: 1rd pick/ marvin willaims / josh childress.
a front court of rudy, josh and al would be a match-up nightmare. plus all 3 are 5 years from 30. with teague pushing the ball ATL will truly be a hightlight factory.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
6:00 pm
MC, in the offensive sets Drew have run during practices, have you seen where these sets could be good against a zone? I am really wondering with Teague at PG, can teams just back up into a zone, and give us fits all game.
idiots can type, too
June 22nd, 2010
6:06 pm
“Hey Hawks do something amazing, this it the NBA right? Make a significant trade/FApickup. Move up in the draft. GET A CENTER.
Better sell the team and fire yourselves.
Mike con ham ask Mark Bradley if he can help you or take over as beat writer for the hawks. You are very narrow and as JeJe pointed out your writing… well… Ill bet sells are down at the ajc arent they?
Id appreciate if you could (until the AJC can find a replacement for you) change the negative tone out of your overly opinionated writing. Feature writing is one thing. Forcing this site to align to your ill founded opinion is another. Youd be better suited as a blogger rather than an engine for conversation about the Hawks.”
SOMEBODY TAKE THE KEYBOARD AWAY FROM DAT CLOWN
northcyde
June 22nd, 2010
6:24 pm
It’s like I’ve been saying for a week or two now. The history of the NBA shows that the value picks late in the 1st round are usually guys who are undersized PFs that can ball, or high scoring guards who people may have an issue with in other areas.
And these are the types of guys that can usually step right in and make an impact.
Centers are coveted more than anything in the NBA. If 20 – 25 teams pass a guy up, he’s probably not going to be as impactful as fans want to believe.
I still say a guy like Jarvis Varnado has to be considered by the Hawks, if he had a good workout on Sunday. He possesses the two things this team could really use:
- another rebounder ( especially on the defensive boards )
- a shot blocker / shot changer ( because Zaza isn’t going to block shots, and Horford doesn’t block / change enough shots )
But his lack of bulk / strength scares the hell out of everybody. It’ll be interesting to see who takes him.
As for the BPA . . . I also said last week that it may be Terrico White. He’s by far the best athlete on that group. Jordan Crawford is a lot like Jamal, in that he’s a good scorer off the dribble. It wouldn’t shock me one bit to see either of these two taken.
charles harris
June 22nd, 2010
6:28 pm
Of the 5 listed, Booker would be the best choice-he has major hops and is very energetic like sean weatherspoon
DrewDawg
June 22nd, 2010
6:36 pm
How bout Alabi 7-1 this team lacks height inside
Truth-Serum
June 22nd, 2010
6:40 pm
Michael Cunningham/ idiots can type, too
June 22nd, 2010
5:40 pm
@Truth: actually, i think if i tell my bosses you and JeJe hate my stuff i might get a raise.
OK for once I smiled at something you had to say.
Yeah, tell them that the number is growing and you will get a raise, right out of the building!
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
6:49 pm
@Ramon: “MC, in the offensive sets Drew have run during practices, have you seen where these sets could be good against a zone? I am really wondering with Teague at PG, can teams just back up into a zone, and give us fits all game.”
i have never seen the sets Drew runs in practice. media only get to see the last few minutes, and probably 90 percent of the time the Hawks are just shooting around by that point. the few times i’ve seen scrimmages it was more of an up-and-down session rather than set plays. i know my blog people are anxious to see what Drew is going to run (shoot, i am too) but we will have to wait until at least the minicamp to find out.
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
6:50 pm
Eddie
Co-Sign that ISH!
If there is a 7 Footer staring you in the face? You grab his rosie cheeks and you plant a big ole sloppy,
Wet – Kiss right there on the center of his fore-head or back-side! Whichever presents itself first!
Size – Matters!
ILL-logical
June 22nd, 2010
7:05 pm
I am shocked but not surprised that the team doesn’t have their draft stategy TWO days before the draft! If it wasn’t for the Clippers….. .
First the facts: Joe is not coming back. He gone. Now everyone in the NBA knows this so why are the witless wonders still pretending that he is ?
Second: Since the witless wonders second favorite all star,AAA, has stated /or been quoted as saying the team needs both a center and a point guard, why are they pretending that they believe the team only needs to be tweaked? AAA has already thrown Bibby and maybe Teague under the bus and in effect demanded a line up change before he signs any long term deal. Tweak that in the locker room guys.
Last,but not least: maybe the ww’s can persuade Joe to accept a sign and trade so that there is some compensation in the eyes of the fans.Naw, that would be to much like doing things right.
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
7:05 pm
@DrewDawg: “How bout Alabi 7-1 this team lacks height inside”
he will be included in the upcoming post about guys with upside whom the Hawks are considering. saw him today and, man, is he physically impressive.
ntrigue
June 22nd, 2010
7:06 pm
Does anybody know the roster for the Hawks summer camp league?
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
7:08 pm
@ntrigue: “Does anybody know the roster for the Hawks summer camp league?”
it won’t be finalized until after the draft. that way, the Hawks can invite the undrafted they like.
UGA
June 22nd, 2010
7:12 pm
Were the Hawks impressed with Pondexter any?
Would Damion James be a good choice for us? I think he’d be a great pick to add toughness on the perimeter.
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
7:16 pm
@UGA: “Were the Hawks impressed with Pondexter any? Would Damion James be a good choice for us? I think he’d be a great pick to add toughness on the perimeter.”
from what i heard, they liked Pondexter’s toughness and aggression. they think James is even less likely than Crawford to be available at No. 24.
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
7:22 pm
TRADES
Corey Magette goes to the Bucks for Charlie Bell (G) & Dan Gadzuric (C).
Timberwolves trading picks 25 & 28 to Memphis for their 16th pick.
UGA
June 22nd, 2010
7:24 pm
Ok, thank you for responding.
Chris
June 22nd, 2010
7:26 pm
Wonder if Solomon Alabi would be around when we pick?
Football Fan
June 22nd, 2010
7:27 pm
Agreed, Hawks are dumb to stand pat. Sign and trade Joe Johnson in a package deal for Chris Paul who is reportedly on the move since the Hornets are over the luxury tax. Then sign a free agent big man.
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
7:28 pm
Golden State is the team that traded: Corey Magettee
Melvin
June 22nd, 2010
7:35 pm
Outside of Booker. I’m not impress.
MC, do you know if the Hawks are considering any draft related trades?
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
7:40 pm
M.C no disrespect, but if the hawks past up on a center who plays good defense in the paint then i my self will ask for the resignation of rick sund.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
gdg73
June 22nd, 2010
7:43 pm
I live here in Tallahassee and prayed that the Hawks would take Toney Douglas to play point guard. A player that would be ready to run the team in Year 2. Now we have an antique in Bibby, with an unknown commodity in Teague going into next year. But I digress. If the Hawks don’t pick Solomon Alabi (if available) at #24,the ASG, along with Rick Sund need to be run out of Atlanta. Al and ZaZa are not starting centers in the NBA. We need size, length, and height. Alabi gives us all of that,plus defense (shot blocking). This guy is a more athletic Mutombo.
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
7:50 pm
I have 2 choice with the 24# pick
1.SOLOMON ALABI 7′1 a strong defender in the paint with hard work ethic that could make him a top defender among center 1 day.
2.BRIAN ZOUBEK 7′1 a hard nose player with a nasty game that plays hard on the boards will be a good fit for the hawks.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
boiler up
June 22nd, 2010
7:51 pm
Draft Chris Kramer in the second round!!! Incredible hustler and defensive freak.. A hell of an athlete as well…. Not a scorer at all.. but his incredible defense leads to his scoring.. He’s a steal and could really give these selfish players something to role after.. Go Hawks and Boiler Up!!
Kenbud
June 22nd, 2010
7:58 pm
Michael …. curious about your take on the Hornets and their ‘impending sale” and financial situation. Historically, when major sales happen it’s pretty much a “start over’ attitude. And the Hornets have Darren Collison who is a heck of lot cheaper than Chris Paul. (and still quite good).
Also, wondering how Childress fits in as trade bait. With the country of Greece and ITS financial woes, I can’t imagine Josh would stay there. And isn’t he a restricted free agent so any team can try to sign him and the Hawks would have to match?
cp
June 22nd, 2010
8:02 pm
Terrico has talent but I don’t want another non aggressive guy on this team Ala Marvin. There are only about 2 names on that list I like. I’m hoping the Hawks get somebody who can contribute.
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:14 pm
From the last post, for any one 2 say that horford or josh or anybody on the hawks are not touchable, then you need a brain examine specialy when your talking about chris paul a superstar in this league.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Texas Pete
June 22nd, 2010
8:16 pm
Trade up to get Cousins or punt and trade away this year’s pick(s) for someone’s 1st rounder next year.
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:19 pm
I would call n.o and ask them what player would it take 2 get paul.
my 3 choices.
1.TEAGUE, JAMAL, FOR PAUL.
2.HORFORD, MARVIN FOR PAUL.
3.JOSH, TEAGUE, FOR PAUL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:25 pm
Let say the hawks trade horford and marvin for paul.
STARTER CP3, JOE, CHILL, JOSH, ALABI.
BENCH BIBBY, JAMAL, AL HARRINGTON, ZAZA, MORRIS
RESERVE WEST, MOE
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Astro Joe
June 22nd, 2010
8:31 pm
The notion that our front office has to make a decision between a long-term project and a short-term band-aid 2 days before the draft is truly a nightmarish thought. These guys move like molasses on a snail’s back. Hopefully they will make a decision by Sunday.
WalterEgo
June 22nd, 2010
8:58 pm
Alabi may be 7′ but with only 2.3 BPG he isn’t AS imposing as his physical tools would suggest. 11/6 pts/rbs isn’t much either. I’m a big proponent of drafting bigs but this isn’t the guy IMO.
The Truth
June 22nd, 2010
9:09 pm
This is not rocket science. The Hawks should just pick the best available player regardless of the position. If we can screw-up a 1st round 2nd overall pick, then God only help us picking 23rd. For Sund (and company) to initially be pessimistic with the 23rd pick suggesting it was irrelevant may have been unfair. This review proves that NBA draft steals can be had.
If you still think finding a steal is a freak accident, then look what happen to the Spurs last year with Dejuan Blair. He has been a beast for them this past year.
Sautee
June 22nd, 2010
9:11 pm
darrell starks,
No Horford is not untouchable, but it’s VERY rare to trade a young All-Star still on his rookie contract. It’s poor asset management. If we WERE thinking of trading Horford, we’d be better off extending his contract at a much larger level, so that we could get more back financially, (if we could even do that under the CBA).
Of course Horford could just say “no thanks” to an extension, too, and wait for his RFA status next year.
Ain’t gonna happen. But it’s good blog fodder.
Sautee
June 22nd, 2010
9:29 pm
With the Maggette trade, the Warrior now have 4 centers on their roster:
Biedrens
Turiaf
Gadzuric
Stephen Hunter
Maybe here’s a chance to get Al some help. I believe that all but Hunter would be an upgrade for Zaza.
Marvin and Bibby for Biedrens and Azubuike?
Melvin
June 22nd, 2010
9:40 pm
Look who NBA.net has the Hawks selecting? Yes, can we give David Stern our draft card now to lock in this pick….
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft
Melvin
June 22nd, 2010
9:41 pm
Sautee,
Seem like every team have multiple centers except the Hawks…
Astro Joe
June 22nd, 2010
9:47 pm
Generally speaking, you don’t sell your cash cow when reducing operating costs. Look for the Hornets to try to give away guys like Posey and maybe Okafor before they trade away the one player who will generate revenue for the new owner. Seems like the best way to shed payroll is to handcuff Collison to one of those awful contracts are force the other team to offer up some expiring deals.
freshd
June 22nd, 2010
10:05 pm
Id take the big man from FLA. ST if he is there, but if he is gone I would take NIQUE JONES from S. FLA. This guy is a mini version of D. WADE. I aso thought the HAWKS should have taken TONEY DOUGLAS last year. With the second round pick JARVIS VARNARDO would be a steal.
freshd
June 22nd, 2010
10:06 pm
also
crabapplejoe
June 22nd, 2010
10:19 pm
Hopefully Cole Aldrich will fall to the Hawks at #24 and we can pick up the big center that we need….
Bill Walton
June 22nd, 2010
10:47 pm
Coach Larry WHO?
Jordan
June 22nd, 2010
10:50 pm
Man if the Hawks could get Paul and keep Johnson and Horford. My alarm just went off, now back to reality. Sherron Collins is a player the Hawks could get later in the draft. This guy can run a team. If we had Collins and Teague suddenly the point is in much much better shape, especially with an old point as the coach. Drew is going to be alot better than Woodson even though I wanted Jackson.
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
10:56 pm
Still Pushin’ Tibor Pleiss, pronounce = ” Teebore Plice ”
7-1, German, 20 yr. old, perhaps the next Pau Gasol.
My 6 pack (+ 1)
*Tibor Pleiss
*Greivis Vasquez
*Larry Sanders
*Jordan Crawford
*Brian Zoubek
*Jerome Randle
*Jerome Jordan
Not necessarily in order
**Earlier today someone mentioned Jeremy Wise.
***He played in the D-league this season.
****(it is my understanding that he is not eligble for the draft)
*****Please correct me if I am wrong.
******I am certain he played D-league.
truthspitter
June 22nd, 2010
10:56 pm
This is the dumbest list so-far. Hassan Whiteside a 7ft C who led college basketball in blocks, has the best wingspan in the draft, is not a stiff when it comes to leaping is projected to be there and go in the 20’s by most and no mention of him, he will be better than Zaza day 1 and would be a legit 7 footer. Brackins has a better skill set than Lawal and Booker and is a better athlete and is taller, no mention of him. Varnado is also better than Lawal and Booker and taller. Damion James could be better than Marvin day 1, he could be there. The list you provided was pathetic. The Hawks should be looking for a Big PF or C or a SF, not some undersized back 2G’s and undersized PF’s
Steven A.
June 22nd, 2010
10:58 pm
YOU HEARD IT HEAR 1ST “JEROME JORDAN” WILL BE THE NEXT ANDREW BYNUM OF THIS DRAFT CLASS…IF WE TAKE ANYONE ELSE AT PICK 24, IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY STUPID!
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
11:00 pm
crabapplejoe:
Cole Aldrich = too small.
measured only 6-9 @ combine = bare ft.
That’s why he might drop.
We can do much better.
Steven A.
June 22nd, 2010
11:03 pm
The only list for the 24th pick should look like this: Any other list would be nonsense.
1. Jerome Jordan
2. Solomon Alabi
3. Dexter Pittman
4. Tiny Gallon
5. Derek Caracter
Steven A.
June 22nd, 2010
11:06 pm
1. Jerome Jordan
2. Solomon Alabi
3. Dexter Pittman
4. Tiny Gallon
5. Derek Caracter
Five Possibilities at 24 | Soaring Down South | An Atlanta Hawks blog
June 22nd, 2010
11:07 pm
[...] Michael Cunningham at the AJC has an article today looking at what the Hawks might do with the 24th pick. [...]
MsDee
June 22nd, 2010
11:15 pm
After seeing who NBADraft.net has us picking, im startin to like him,,,Craig Brackins
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
11:16 pm
Trade rumors today on Nashville radio:
Al Jefferson
Kevin Love
*Chris Paul (already on this board)
**Charlotte wants our pick
Jonny Flynn
Rip Hamilton
Tayshaun Prince
OJ Mayo
Mo williams
(Just about everyone in Portland)
Calderon / Turkoglu, Toronto
Devin Harris
***These are the only ones That I could remember.
****Sporting News Radio****
TED DOVE
June 22nd, 2010
11:19 pm
Hawks owners, Mr. Sund, Pendergrast, scouts I do not care who owns the team, who puts it together, who coaches, who keeps stats, but I do care that this professional basketball franchise is in Georgia. In Georgia, we take on the best our opponents can send and we whip their tails. Period. Now hear this, Hawks and Falcons too, draft first team all conference players from Power conferences. Football it is SEC. Basketball it is ACC. While all the over NBA teams pick players that can do unimaginable things, pick Jon Scheyer of the National Champion Duke Devils. A real man’s basketball player and a real winner. I want him on my team when I choose pick up games. A warrior and oh yeah, he’s white. Did you guys notice Duke and Butler had white players and still played for Title. Use your Brains and lay off the small college guys, and the foreign players. Want to develop a player, pick one who has actually developed, Mark Zoubek. He’s 7 footer you have NEEDED for 15 years. I am not Duke biased, I am a Georgia Bulldawg.
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
11:20 pm
Craig Brackins?
Hell – to the naw!
A big, Soft, PF, jump – shooter? That’s the last thing we need is another Shelden with a jump shot.
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
11:22 pm
Jerome Jordan = 24 yrs. old & will be 25 when season starts.
He’s further along than Alabi.
Age is a drawback. He will get old fast.
Compare to Pleiss @ 20. [yrs. old]
*Euro exp. tougher league playing against grown-ups. *[Pleiss]
However, J.Jordan is on my list.
*Notice he [JJ] did not work out with Hawks.
TED DOVE
June 22nd, 2010
11:22 pm
PS Show me something. Geet it right. I am tired of idiocracy and losers. People making jokes of our picks, while other teams get great players.
athhawk
June 22nd, 2010
11:23 pm
Package Marvin, Bibby, Teague, Zaza, our two picks and anyone else on the roster that doesn’t start and beg New Orleans to let us ‘have’ Chris Paul.
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
11:26 pm
TED DOVE:
*Brian* Zoubek…..^…..see above !
Get that race malarky outta’ here.
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
11:29 pm
TED DOVE:
Just so you know – I’m whiter’n Larry Bird.
Who cares.
Still couldn’t play like ‘im.
skyhawk
June 22nd, 2010
11:31 pm
Plan A-Draft-H. Whiteside or S. Alabi you can move Al to 4 from time to time (if it works potentially sign and trade Josh doesn’t grow up)
Plan B-Draft- D. Jones you can have instant offense ala’ Jamal (if it works the loss of Joe isn’t as painful)
Plan C-Move down the draft and pick up Gani Lawal
kelvin davis
June 22nd, 2010
11:38 pm
Ok everyone how about this… I say we approach this draft as if Joe Johnson is not coming back to Atlanta… We drafted Jeff Teague for a reason so lets let him play so we can see what he’s about… It took Devon Harris 2 years to develop into a real good point guard and I like Teague being our PG of the future… At the SG position there are only 2 guys that appeal to me and they are Lance Stevenson of Cincinnatti and James Anderson of Oklahoma State… Both are 6′6 and can play with the best of them… Now if any of you watched these 2 guys play then you’ll know that they both play defense and they both can score the ball very well. James Anderson is a better shooter but I think Lance is better at going to the rim… To me though it seems as if James has more upside and a better basketball IQ but ill be happy with either one… I actually believe Larry Drew is going to open up the floor more for Marvin Williams to operate and be more of a weapon in the offense… All of you who watched the Hawks have to admit that Joe Johnson took alot of the players out the game because he held the ball forever… At PF I still like Josh Smith getting better and hopefully he realizes that he needs to be in the paint all the time but he had a great year last year and played well against the Bucks in the playoffs. That showing against Orlando is unacceptable. Glad that soft guy Mike Woodson is gone… At C Al Horford made the all star team and had a great showing in the playoffs especially against Orlando. Now the Hawks should use their 2nd round pick on Dexter Pittman from Texas… He’s 6′11 n 303 pounds.. He would be great for us off the bench… Don’t forget we have Jamal Crawford, Moe Evans, Zaza Pachulia, Joe Smith, and Mike Bibby… We can move on and be real good without Joe Johnson… All it takes is a little belief and my draft plans lol but tell me what you think…
kelvin davis
June 22nd, 2010
11:39 pm
Please give me feedback
HoosierHawk
June 22nd, 2010
11:45 pm
Any way we could package Johnson and Childress for a max money type player? I don’t have anyone in particular in mind, but I have a feeling neither will be playing here next year and their salaries add up to around 19 mil.
bigdave
June 22nd, 2010
11:46 pm
[“One thing I think always translates from the college game to NBA is rebounding,” Pendergraft said]
bigdave
June 17th, 2010
3:55 pm
not a lot of Lawal support i see. surprises me.
tough.. rebounds.. motor..
smh. we need toughness and heart.
he commits himself to increasing his free throw % and knocking down a 10 fter. he can be the 2nd coming of Paul Millsap or Kurt Thomas. guys that rebounded the basketball in college usually translate to the pro level.
Gani Lawal is my pick.
skyhawk
June 22nd, 2010
11:51 pm
kelvin- good point on Lance Stevenson
Not sure what we could get for a Joe Johnson or J Chill sign and trade?
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
11:52 pm
@darrell starks: “M.C no disrespect, but if the hawks past up on a center who plays good defense in the paint then i my self will ask for the resignation of rick sund.”
none taken. . . you feel how you feel and i understand.
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
11:59 pm
@Kenbud: ‘Michael …. curious about your take on the Hornets and their ‘impending sale” and financial situation. Historically, when major sales happen it’s pretty much a “start over’ attitude. And the Hornets have Darren Collison who is a heck of lot cheaper than Chris Paul. (and still quite good).
Also, wondering how Childress fits in as trade bait. With the country of Greece and ITS financial woes, I can’t imagine Josh would stay there. And isn’t he a restricted free agent so any team can try to sign him and the Hawks would have to match?”
sorry, i can’t speak intelligently about the situation in NO. Collison is a useful player still on his rookie scale deal. that’s the kind of guy a team wanting to cut costs tends to keep unless he’s included in a deal where other high-salaried players are dumped. Childress’ value is tough to gauge at this point. he is a restricted free agent, so the Hawks must extend a qualifying offer by June 30 to retain right-of-first refusal. Rick Sund has said they will do so. then they have the right to match any offer sheet he signs but can choose not to do it and let him go.
Michael Cunningham
June 23rd, 2010
12:01 am
@ Astro Joe: “The notion that our front office has to make a decision between a long-term project and a short-term band-aid 2 days before the draft is truly a nightmarish thought. These guys move like molasses on a snail’s back. Hopefully they will make a decision by Sunday.”
i see what you are saying but i think this is a little harsh. they’ve done their homework on these guys and i don’t think it’s all that unusual to finalize these things in the days before the draft when you are picking low in the first round. particularly since this is an unpredictable draft beyond the top 5 or 6.
Michael Cunningham
June 23rd, 2010
12:02 am
@ Sautee: “No Horford is not untouchable, but it’s VERY rare to trade a young All-Star still on his rookie contract. It’s poor asset management.”
yes.
mike
June 23rd, 2010
12:04 am
This off season will make or break this team. Some players NEED to go (Marvin) Some players MUST STAY (Al,Josh,Jamal) the rest of the group is ok, and last (Joe)…reality check,you ARE NOT worth max money and giving him max money will burden this franchise for years (Jon Koncak)
We will live without Joe…I will ALWAYS question his heart… and the leader of this team MUST have one
kelvin davis
June 23rd, 2010
12:10 am
@Mike you are right, a leader of a team must have a heart… What do you think about what I said?
Clyde
June 23rd, 2010
12:12 am
Wake me up when its football season
gcs
June 23rd, 2010
12:15 am
Does it matter who the Hawks draft?? They are doomed by this loser coach and loser ownership. You won’t catch me wasting any money on these losers.
Losers.
.
DZ
June 23rd, 2010
12:22 am
What do you Hawks and Thrashers fans feel about having a protest demonstration outside ASG headquarters at 101 Marietta Street Northwest, Atlanta, GA 30303-2771?
truthspitter
June 23rd, 2010
12:25 am
1 Hassan Whiteside: Young, athletic shot blocker who is a legit 7ft and has 7″7 wingspan and can actually move
2 Craig Brackins: Skilled big man who can shoot and has athletic ability
3 Jarvis Varnado: Good rebounder, great shot blocker, decent finisher, good athletic ability
4 Trevor Booker: Good player with good motor just slightly undersized
5 Damion James: Could be better than Marvin from the moment he steps on court
6 Quincy Pondextor: Undersized SF, would duplicate Mo in a lot of ways
7 Terrico White: Can play some 1 and 2, one of if not best athlete in draft, but he is too inconsistent and un-agressive like Marvin
8 Dominique Jones: Is just a scorer and is undersized for a starting SG
That’s the list and anyone that says otherwise is just as incompetent as the Hawks front office including Cunningboy
Najeh Davenpoop
June 23rd, 2010
12:29 am
The Maggette trade by the Bucks tells me they are not all that confident about re-signing Salmons.
As for the Hawks, it’s pretty simple — pick the best player who can contribute the most now, regardless of position, so that you can maximize his trade value. At #24, the chances that you get a guy who develops into an untouchable core piece of your team is pretty slim; if you can get a guy who will instantly contribute, it increases the options you have as far as including him in a trade package for an actual core guy.
MsDee
June 23rd, 2010
12:40 am
I like Kelvin Davis’s ideas..I think the Hawks SHOULD look at this draft as if Joe Johnson is gone..u have nothing to lose since Joe makes the final decision..If Joe stays, we still have a good SG as back-up and could later trade Jamal if need be, hopefully not cause I love Jamal, his game and intelligence off the court). So I say the Hawks should look at a SG at the #24, Lance or James and get a center with the second pick (any of the 7′1″ centers still left or Dexter Pittman if he is still there). Let Garrett Siler be the back-up center.
I like what JSS wrote on Jeff Schultz’s blog about Garret Siler’s game. “He played last season in the Chinese League on Yao Ming’s Shanghai Sharks team. He led them in rebounding and was 3rd in scoring. Shot nearly 76% from the field with the wider international lane. He is back in Augusta now after his team was eliminated in the Semi-final of CBA’s playoffs where he averaged a double/double in five of their nine playoff games…
http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=CHN&Team=1950
He is weighing his options for next year. Utah, Miami, and Houston have shown interest… Nothing as of yet from the Hawks…”
I say the Hawks has options if JJ leaves, we should still be an elite team!!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
12:43 am
Najeh
Great post. Word on the street is that: salmons has already indicated he will opt out and become an UFA soon.
darrell starks
June 23rd, 2010
12:49 am
I have never seen jerome jordan play, but i have seen alabi play and the guy is beast on defense, and thats what the hawks need not no undersize player or some soft big man that doen’t play hard nose defense in the paint. alabi or zoubek who are legit 7′1 center with a tough minded on defensive would fit the hawks.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
MsDee
June 23rd, 2010
12:58 am
@truthspitter: “This is the dumbest list so-far. Hassan Whiteside a 7ft C who led college basketball in blocks, has the best wingspan in the draft, is not a stiff when it comes to leaping is projected to be there and go in the 20’s by most and no mention of him, he will be better than Zaza day 1 and would be a legit 7 footer. Brackins has a better skill set than Lawal and Booker and is a better athlete and is taller, no mention of him. Varnado is also better than Lawal and Booker and taller. Damion James could be better than Marvin day 1, he could be there. The list you provided was pathetic. The Hawks should be looking for a Big PF or C or a SF, not some undersized back 2G’s and undersized PF’s”
I hear what u are saying and totally agree with ya but what i’m choosing to believe is that the Hawks arent trying to be too obvious as to who they really want. Picking at #24 isnt the best so what they could be trying to do is try to throw as many teams ahead of them off a lil bit as if they are looking at guys with positions we obviously dont need hoping the other teams will skip over the player they really want..at least I hope thats what they are tryin to do cause that list who came to workout were a list of nobodies!!
PD
June 23rd, 2010
1:00 am
I like Alabi
blackbee
June 23rd, 2010
1:42 am
The Hawks management is terrible. They already have the mindset they aren’t going to find a player. Bull crap, if they did their homework they would find someone to help them. None of the mentioned above, the Hawks have so many needs, a scorer, a point, a center with lenght and the list goes on and on. Yet they say “their isn’t 27 players in the world that can play?” The Hawks have a one and done mentality. But they better threat this draft more serious, after firing Woodson the fans expect improvement.
tony
June 23rd, 2010
1:56 am
Process of Elimination:
1) Gani Lawal-poor free throw shooter(57%), selfish((0.4apg) and low basketball IQ. (eliminated)
2)Trevor Booker-poor free throw shooter(59%) and just an athletic ball player. (eliminated)
3)Terrico White-poor assist guy(1.5apg) that’s been the hawks trouble for 10 yrs. (eliminated)
4)Jordan Crawford-Ball Hog. He will clash with JJ,JS and JC. (eliminated)
5)Dominique Jones-team player and high basketball IQ. He can do it all. (selected)
First Round Pick-Dominique Jones(sg/pg)
Second Rd Pick-Omar Samhan(center)
UDFA-Johnathon Jones(pg)
Just in case you missed it ray....
June 23rd, 2010
2:04 am
Truth-Serum
June 22nd, 2010
6:13 pm
Big Ray
June 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm
“I smell a Horford hater…oh wait, we all know who it is…”
LMAO
Ray, any one who suggest that we can upgrade by trading horford is some one who is not a blind worshiper as you appear to be but is probably well researched, objective and thinks out side the box.
Gone are the days, Blue Ray where you could string up your perceived enemy like the Klan and there by keep the “good” N-Words in check.
Ramon, J.Cochran, Darrell Starks and O’brien were all open and perceptive enough to see that Horford my be out best trade asset or question his role with the team. Yet you say “I smell a Horford hater… emphasis on the “A”
Ray, realizing Horford is a good but not great player and seeing that we need an impact at the center spot which horford occupies, looking for ways to upgrade using Horfords market value is not hate but business.
Let me encourage you to act like a grown azz man and stop byttching when someone suggests trading your favorite player. Stop acting like a byytchh. and realize players are commodities. Hell, you can buy other curtains and pillow cases of your next favorite player. Better yet write the owners and see if they will reimburse you for your Horford panty collection. You’ve out grown them any way!– Yuk
bigdave
June 23rd, 2010
2:13 am
“Gani Lawal-poor free throw shooter(57%), selfish((0.4apg) and low basketball IQ. (eliminated)”
shhhhhhhhhhhhiiiit… as many times as dude established post position and Shump and Co. could not enter the ball into the post… i highly doubt when he does get it, he’s looking to pass. especially when you’re not seeing a double team. i like bigs that look to make a decisive move to the rim. Gani does it.
tony
June 23rd, 2010
2:53 am
bigdave, statements like yours are the very reason why we don’t have a championship team in Atlanta and the reason Atlanta is call the worse sports town in America. I beat you will be sweating in your seat like heck if Gain Lawal was at the free throw line with 2 second left in the game down 1 point?
Last season I was on many message boards lobbying for Darren Collison and practically beg them not to take Jeff Teague but people like yourself said I was stupid. The year before that I said we shouldn’t take AC Law because he is not a true point gaurd but people like yourself said I didn’t know what I was talking about.
So here we go again. Just remember this. Dominique Jones and Omar Samhan will have a bigger impact in the NBA than a lot of those players in this year’s draft. Just remember that. If we had taken Collison no one would be saying we have issues at the pg position for a long long time.
truthspitter
June 23rd, 2010
3:27 am
DZ: I will have my protest all year next year if we pick a undersized SG instead of a 7 ft guy with at 7″7 wingspan in Hassan Whiteside or a 6″10 PF, with athletic ability like Brackins, or a legit SF sized guy like Damion James who runs like a deer. The people that most of these guys keep mentioning shows that they are not basketball fans or sports people. I’m starting to believe that the knock on Atl is true, its not a sports city because if u think Solomon Alabi will ever be anything other than a big stiff you are lost. If you think Jerome Jordan will be in the league 4 years from now you are lost. Whiteside, Brackins, Damion James, Varnado, Booker, or its a reach and wasted pick. Dominique Jones, Jordan Crawford, and Terrico White are all undersized for starting SG in the NBA. Why would you pay a unproven rookie guy who will forever be undersized for his position as a starter, about $1.25 million dollars to come off the bench when you could get Flip back for the same price? If you are gonna make a mistake make it with a big guy not with a undersized SG
vava74
June 23rd, 2010
4:08 am
Brackins looks to be a bust on paper. His scouting review reveals that instead of stepping up during his junior year in which he was the focus, he went shy and his numbered dipped: stopped using size and settled for jump shots.
Not the formula of success for our needs.
I would rather take my chances with a ball hogg (Jordan Crawford) which would always have trade value or allow us to move Jamal for someone else.
Prison Mike
June 23rd, 2010
5:25 am
White and Jones are both 6-5. White is the best sg prospect at pick 24. He’s barely 20 already weighs 205 on 3.8% body fat with outstanding handles. Teague and Terrico backcourt is the shiznitzs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYfZYt9aomg&feature=player_embedded#!
truthspitter
June 23rd, 2010
5:43 am
Jones, White, and Crawford neither is a starting quality SG in the NBA and neither is even good enough to be a rotation player right now in the NBA. Furthermore, you look at the pay scale for a rotation PF or C and a rotation SG and unless you are a pure liar, retarded or blind you can see that rotation PF’s and C’s make more money than rotation SG’s. So why you people keep throwing guys that are rotation SG’s at best out there just shows that you are as silly and incompetent as management. You don’t get too many chances to get a rotation PF or C for a little over $1,000,000 a year. Its a lot more likely that you can get a rotation SG for cheap than a rotation big man. The Hawks are stupid if they don’t go PF or C here unless someone like Paul George or Damion James drop in your lap. You people need to start thinking more reasonable
Big Ray
June 23rd, 2010
7:02 am
Truth Serum
Ray, realizing Horford is a good but not great player and seeing that we need an impact at the center spot which horford occupies, looking for ways to upgrade using Horfords market value is not hate but business.
THAT is how a “grown azz man” responds to disagreement.
Let me encourage you to act like a grown azz man and stop byttching when someone suggests trading your favorite player. Stop acting like a byytchh. and realize players are commodities. Hell, you can buy other curtains and pillow cases of your next favorite player. Better yet write the owners and see if they will reimburse you for your Horford panty collection. You’ve out grown them any way!– Yuk
This is NOT how a grown azz man responds. Petty, punkish comments about…panties and pillow cases? Yeah, real “grown azz man” talk. You do know how this makes you look, right?
Ramon, J.Cochran, Darrell Starks and O’brien were all open and perceptive enough to see that Horford my be out best trade asset or question his role with the team. Yet you say “I smell a Horford hater… emphasis on the “A”
1. Actually, there is debate on how smart it is to trade an all-star player still on his rookie contract, when you can’t get anything even remotely of similar value (salaries have to match).
2. Ramon, O’brien, and Darrell are actually thinking about the situation from a basketball standpoint. They aren’t calling Horford silly names and making false statements about him, or undervaluing him. And anybody with two brain cells knows you were posting as J. Cochran, so don’t lump that name in there with the others like it was just another blogger.
Gone are the days, Blue Ray where you could string up your perceived enemy like the Klan and there by keep the “good” N-Words in check.
Man, what is wrong with you? I’m black. You’ve stated publicly that you’re not. Yet you’re the only one constantly mentioning the Klan, Bubba Crew (your pet name for the Klan) and now “N-word”. You do know how that makes YOU look, right? Stop the madness. Keep it basketball. That’s what “grown azz men” do. Let me encourage YOU to be one.
Big Ray
June 23rd, 2010
7:08 am
Northcyde ,
Wouldn’t suprise me if the Hawks take an athletic backcourt player, either (or a swingman). Maybe that’s the “best player available” mentality at work. Or should we say best “perceived” player.
I agree that a guy like Varnado would be a very helpful addition. I’d like to see us take a guy like that, but I don’t know that we will.
Big Ray
June 23rd, 2010
7:27 am
From Draftexpress.com:
West Coast Workout Swing Part 1: BDA Sports Los Angeles
May 13, 2010
The leading shot blocker in NCAA history, Jarvis Varnado is also looking to diversify his game here in Los Angeles, while preparing himself for a likely necessary transition from the center to power forward position at the next level.
Varnado is spending a lot of time here working on his jump shot, which looks to be showing some good progress, considering he took only 11 jumpers in his entire senior season. Varnado was hitting his shot pretty well from the 15-20 foot range on spot-up jumpers and pick-and-pops, while also showing pretty good form. The work he’s put in on this in a short period of time is impressive, and adding this ripple to his game will go a long way in helping him find a niche in the NBA.
Varnado had a tough match-up in the post going against Jerome Jordan, which led to some mixed results for his back-to-the-basket offense. Varnado showed nice agility and range on his moves, using a good variety of running hooks and turnaround jumpers, but at times Jordan’s length was just too smothering, not surprising given the 4 inches Varnado is giving up. This is a large reason while Varnado will likely have to move to the 4 in the pros, and the good agility he showed on his moves should help going against smaller defenders.
Defensively, this wasn’t really the best setting for us to gauge much about what Varnado will need to do at the next level, as how he will be able to defend stretch fours will be his biggest concern entering the pros, and there weren’t many opportunities for perimeter defense going against Jordan. He did a good job using his length to make things difficult in the post for him, however, and there’s little reason to believe Varnado’s shot blocking won’t translate to the next level.
Weighing just 195 pounds when he was a freshman, Varnado has done a great job adding weight to his frame in his four years of college, and it appears he’s been doing some more of that in the offseason, looking to be in the best shape of his career, and working on continuing to add lower and upper body strength.
Like Jordan, Varnado will compete for a spot in the late first round, but his stock too could fluctuate greatly over the next few weeks, where he could impress in workouts by knocking down mid-range shots, showing defensive versatility, and playing hard-nosed, aggressive basketball. Varnado’s rebounding and shot-blocking give him two NBA-ready skills already, and adding to that by becoming a reliable mid-range jump shooter and a more versatile inside-out defender should make it pretty easy for him to find a niche in the NBA.
Scott
June 23rd, 2010
7:31 am
You telling me that there aren’t 24 players in the WORLD that can’t help the Hawks right away !!??
O'Brien
June 23rd, 2010
7:34 am
Based on how our team is constructed, and the fact that we have a first time HC, I think we should draft a guy who is able to contribute right away if called upon.
I would stay away from the Center position. Chances are, those guys will take 2-3 years to fully develop, and we’ve seen guys like Thabeet, Aaron Gray and BJ Mullen who just haven’t panned out. I think we’re better off signing a guy like DJ Mbenga or Johan Petro in free agency and giving them a chance, rather than drafting a center and waiting for them to develop.
I think we should get a PF, and Booker would be my choice. We have seen what undersized PFs who have been drafted late can do (Amir Johnson, Carl Landry, Paul Milsap, DeJaun Blair), and I think Booker can provide minutes off the bench immediately.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:52 am
Blue-Ray
(Clear Image)
What’s up with that Seurum? How many dang names does he post under?
Calm down Truth – Serum? Man, you attacking the man’s Character, but stick to the
Opinions! Don’t hate the Player – Hate the game.
MC & Blue-Ray are blogging ICONS and give us outstanding blog topics,
Passion, Fire, Perspective, Leadership, Stats, Facts, Intellectual Stimulation relating to the NBA and
most of all – a following of other veteran bloggers (like myself) and You too!
We don’t always agree with one-another, but we love and respect one-another!
Let’s keep it real! Real Fun! At the end of the day? We all want the
same thing! A Winner!
Truth Serum! Let’s Go!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:01 am
Center – Piece!
At #24 you must take the Best Big available. Hopefully a 7 footer who can clog it, rebound it and block it!
Unless, you see MJ, Wade, Carmello or LeBron sitting at the #24 spot? You go with a fundamentally sound BIG who can do those three aforementioned things best!
We can get wings and things in FA! Role players are we are actually looking at from our pick selections at
#24 and #53
tony
June 23rd, 2010
8:05 am
What is wrong with some of you people? 6′4 is too small to play sg in the nba? That is completely illogical.
Ray Allen (sg) 6′5
Kirk Hinrich(sg) 6′3
Arron Affalo(sg) 6′5
Dwyane Wade(sg) 6′4
Ben Gordon(sg) 6′3
Should I go on? Use logic people.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:22 am
Tony
Co-Sign that! Perimeter players have been very successful playing the PG/SG positions!
Didn’t someone in the Hawks front office, lament that CP3 was too small? That is a cop-out IF I ever heard one! Allen Iverson never allowed his size to keep him out of the paint either.
Nate Robinson, said it best, “You can scout energy!”.
I will add to that, “How do you judge the Heart of a man?”
K. Salinger
June 23rd, 2010
8:24 am
Ray I have to agree with truth serum. I dont normally blog here but read on occasion. You can find me on hoops if you are interested in my views.
I do notice that any criticism of Horford who is merely a good player, not a great one seems to solicit negative and demeaning response from you and other who seem to me is some type of idiotic cult following with Horford.
Ive looked at the numbers and I have to agree with the many voices here who say that Horford is a power forward who is very week from a defensive stand point and its impossible to win a championship with him as your center.
You called truth serum a hater for suggesting that Horford be traded and now you complain when he comes back at you with strong words. You reap what you sow. Ray.
Now I saying that I agree with the position that truth serum takes and would trade horford in a heart beat. Further i also read the Associated Press feature interview where after getting a feel for what horford views were wrote that Horford felt it would be better if the hawks got “a real center”, and allow him to move back to power forward.
For posting that link and sharing the Horford interview you again insulted truth serum rather than deal with what Horford is saying.
Finally I have also seen your tactics.Accuse every one who disagrees with the obvious view that the Hawks need to upgrade,(not compliment) defensive post play in order to advance, of being truth serum, In your arguments you prefer to attack the person and not the sound premise to which you believe that if you discredit the person no one with look at the views.
So before you begin to you that lame tactic, Let me say if you will be so kind as to post your email address I will email you mine.
This site has potential but let me encourage you to be more open,less narrow. Practice objectivity. Finally, Horford is little more than an average joe who averaged 13 pts in college, had Woodson run special plays for him to which he averaged 14 pts and his career average is 12pts.
12pts,9rbs and no defense from your center will get you 1 and done every time.
Im waiting for your email address.
Kevin
K. Salinger
June 23rd, 2010
8:37 am
excuse my syntax. that should read weak not week and the other correction is should be before you begin to use that lame….
have a nice day.
JoJo the Godfather
June 23rd, 2010
8:45 am
Saw a rumor (ESPN) where Portland was looking for a late 1st round pick and was offering the 34th pick and up to $3M cash. Hawks should jump all over that….I still like Dexter Pittman, Trevor Booker, Greivis Vasquez, and Sherron Collins.
Michael Cunningham
June 23rd, 2010
8:45 am
@truthspitter: “That’s the list and anyone that says otherwise is just as incompetent as the Hawks front office including Cunningboy”
i agree. you should probably be a GM. you might notice i mentioned there is another list forthcoming. who knows, perhaps some of the players you name will be on that list. if so, would my competence level surpass your reading comprehension?
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:48 am
As BIG as it Gets!
You can coach a lot of things, fundamentals, etc.
You can coach Size and Heart! Since, no man can judge a Heart? You have to judge the Size of a player!
Size matters. And, the Orlando Series screamed – We NEED size in the paint!
The Celtics got through with the size of: Perkins, Shrek & Sheed – only to find Gasol & a one-legged Bynum waiting in the paint! Perkins & Bynum injuries negated one another, so here goes the #1 to the #4 players.
We likewise, Need that same size to do the same!
Where’s the BEEF?
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
8:51 am
Indiana might would take Bibby and Marvin for the number 10 pick. They’re really searching for an establishing PG, and some GMs still do like what Bibby brings to the table.
Bibby, Marvin, and #24 for #10 and Jeff Foster.
Tyrone Shoelaces
June 23rd, 2010
8:57 am
Get Hassan Whiteside.
Michael Cunningham
June 23rd, 2010
8:59 am
@truthspitter: oh, now i remember why i recognize your name. how could i forget the guy who once posted this inaccurate, self-righteous nonsense? but i am sure your info on draft picks is spot on, so i’ll give you a pass on your glaring lack of knowledge about the NBA salary cap.
“Your wrong, if the cap is going to be $56 million which has been reported then they will have 10.8 million to work with after they make Mo opt out. They currently have 47.6 million tied up for next year, if Mo opts out of his $2.5 million contract that will leave them with $45.1 mill or so on books. They will have $10.8 or so million to spend. They could sign Rudy Gay to a contract comparable to what Josh and Danny Granger are getting which started with about $10 there 1st year. They could then go over the cap to sign there own guy Joe. I hate when reporters, writers, and even the front office lie to fans, they are lying if they say what I type is not true I do my research.”
doc
June 23rd, 2010
9:05 am
ray:
“1. Actually, there is debate on how smart it is to trade an all-star player still on his rookie contract, when you can’t get anything even remotely of similar value (salaries have to match).”
no ray, there is no disagreement outside of saying it would be the stupidist thing the hawks could do straight up. it would not make sense to trade the guy who you get the most bang for your buck for unless you were including him with someone else to get similar value. straight up, it wont happen as i think there are few players at horford’s salary that can do as much as him or have such up side. no debate ray. i might add anyone directly arguing the fact is obsessed as well. stop responding and the individual will have to find a new horse to beat on which could bring more comic relief.
Progeny
June 23rd, 2010
9:14 am
Well, looking for value, I think Dominique Jones might be a safe and solid pick at 24, especially if JJ leaves town. To be honest I am very interested in our second round pick. Several mock drafts have Dexter Pittman being within our range. He is a hard worker with focus and good character. (His brother was murdered and has still kept it together enough to go through the workout process. His commitment to loosing weight is documented (draft express reports that he was over 400 pounds coming into college and is down to 303). I’ve thought for the past couple of months that the hawks need a really physical guy who is hard to match up with. doesn’t have to be a 7 footer, just a Glen Davis-ish, old school Elton Brand type of player, a guy who can carve out space. I think at pick 23 in the second round Pittman would be a good value.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
9:19 am
Ramon,
The Pacers don’t have any available cap space, so they’ll have to make some kind of deal to retool the roster. Why not go for Troy Murphy? 6′11, 245, veteran, averages a double-double. We’d be ferocious on the boards with he, Al, and Smoove in the front court.
Fantasy Island
June 23rd, 2010
9:20 am
“Your wrong, if the cap is going to be $56 million which has been reported then they will have 10.8 million to work with after they make Mo opt out. They currently have 47.6 million tied up for next year, if Mo opts out of his $2.5 million contract that will leave them with $45.1 mill or so on books. They will have $10.8 or so million to spend. They could sign Rudy Gay to a contract comparable to what Josh and Danny Granger are getting which started with about $10 there 1st year. They could then go over the cap to sign there own guy Joe. I hate when reporters, writers, and even the front office lie to fans, they are lying if they say what I type is not true I do my research.”
WHAT A WASTE OF INK! NONE OF THAT ADDRESSES THE HAWKS WEAKNESS IN THE MIDDLE. IT ADDS SCORERS BUT DOESNT STOP ANY ONE IN THE PAINT WHICH IS THE REASON THE HAWKS DID NOT GO FAR.
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
9:23 am
I’d take an established player over a pick any day, because you never know with these drafts. Smoove was the arguably the 2nd best player in the 2004 draft (behind Dwight Howard) and he was selected w/ the 17th pick.
darrell starks
June 23rd, 2010
9:28 am
M.C the hole year every one have been screaming we need a center and length in the paint now come draft i dont here the sound of a center, people are saying get the best player available, thats crazy and not logic at all when your talking about the 24# when this team is so desperate for a big man, IF RICK SUND DONT DRAFT A CENTER WITH THE 24# PICK THEN HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
9:29 am
Doc, I wouldn’t trade Horford’s rookie contract for hardly anyone in the league. But I would trade Horford’s rookie contract (which only has ONE more season on it before he goes to over $13 mil) for a Hall of Fame caliber point guard, especially if it means tagging Marvin or someone else along with it to make the salaries match. Horford is a really good player. But I’m not one who believes he will be a better PF than Josh. As I said, Horford made the All Star game as a center. He wouldn’t even have been in the mentioning at the forward position. I’ve always said at most, MOST, I see Horford being a Carlos Boozer type. And yea that 20-10 will be great to have. But I’d rather have 20 points, 12 assists, and 2 steals out of my PG. There are quite a few PFs/Cs who can get you 8.5-10 rebounds. But I repeat Chris Paul is the only player (realistically) that I would trade Horford for. Its just my belief a team that has Paul, Joe, and Josh Smith on it will be one of the top defensive teams in the league.
Progeny
June 23rd, 2010
9:30 am
@i_am_soulstar
Troy Murphy makes more money per year than josh smith. We would NEVER take on that contract.
Ken Strickland
June 23rd, 2010
9:33 am
Some people get an idea in their heads and run with it no matter what, even though the facts prove them wrong. Take this obsession with thinking shot blocking is somehow the epitome of playing good DEF. All one with a clue has to do is follow the career of Marcus Camby, one of the NBA’s premiere shot blockers.
Look at how often he’s been traded over the last several yrs, and how little impact he’s had on his teams ability to win and play better DEF. The Denver situation should be all the evidence one needs to realize it takes more than the ability to block shots to be a good DEF player or team. Hell, Mark Eaton, Manute Bol and Gheorghe Muresan were 3 very tall, very slow and very unathletic premiere shot blockers that only a complete moron would consider good DEF players.
A premiere shot blocker would help compensate for MBibby’s matador approach to DEF, but it doesn’t mean your team or the shot blocker is good really defensively. Smoove is a good help defender, but his man DEF is below average. Howford isn’t as strong as Smoove on help DEF, but he’s a much better man defender. They compliment each other well, when not forced to defend PG’s and SG’s.
Progeny
June 23rd, 2010
9:37 am
@darrell starks
That’s the same mentality we had a couple years back and ended up with Sheldon Williams while passing on Brandon Roy. Come on. Don’t get infatuated by a guy who is 7 feet tall just because he’s 7 feet tall when better guys are available at the 24th pick. Thats why I think that Pittman kid would be a good value at pick 53. He’s not the answer to our prayers at Center but a intriguing prospect. Thats all you can hope for at the end of the second round.
lewis
June 23rd, 2010
9:38 am
too many names with truth in them.
too hard to follow.
I sincerely hope the Hawks give us one, up-tempo, offensively entertaining and defensively consistent season before the impending 2011 lockout which will no doubt void the majority of our current speculation.
NBA is in trouble.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
9:47 am
Al Jefferson can be had. The Timberwolves are ready to blow it up.
Progeny,
Actually, they both make about the same. Both pull in about 11 million I believe. Not that I’d want to trade Josh Smith for Troy Murphy, but we could definitely send some other pieces. Just saying.
All World
June 23rd, 2010
9:52 am
FSU’s Alabi is a good shooter and better defender. Was doubled-teamed and zoned in college ACC action but will be better in pros. Best free throw shooting big man in draft.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
9:53 am
Progeny,
I agree, everyone who’s just saying get a big no matter what, is either extremely optimistic, or just isn’t considering the history of bigs in the draft. Do some research. At #24, you have to go with the best player available regardless of position.
Jason Collins was as big as they come and still couldn’t hold his own against the more dominant NBA centers.
BigTimeTECHFan
June 23rd, 2010
9:58 am
We sould just pass on the draft and sign:
D Wade
LeBron James
C Bosh
C Boozer
Then we could start:
D Wade PG
L James SG
C Bosh C
A Hortford PF
J Smith SF
Then Bench
Boozer
Crawford
Teague
Bibby
M williams
ZaZa
That would be sweet lineup, should get Hawks past 2nd round in the east
Fantasy Island
June 23rd, 2010
9:58 am
One of the most meaningless stats was the double double With the exception of Rondo, neither the Lakers nor Boston had a top ten play with that stat during the regular season. Also if you subtract Howard , (Rondo and Nash are guards) none of the conference finalist feature a top ten double double player.
BLOCK SHOTS TOP 32 PLAYERS JOSH WAS #4, AL DID NOT MAKE THE LIST!
Al did not make the list
32 top shot blocker in the league
our center
not
on
the
LIST!
dap01
June 23rd, 2010
10:03 am
Ken Strickland: Who would you suggest we draft?
Fantasy Island
June 23rd, 2010
10:05 am
Here this is for you sautee and you Boo Ray!
THANKS FOR THE SHOUT SALINGER! AND THE SUPPORT CHECK YOUR PAGE
2009-10 BLOCKS LEADERS : Blocks Per Game
PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG BLK
PF BLKPG BLKP48M
BLK/PF
1 Dwight Howard , ORL
82 34.7 228 287 2.78 3.85 .79
2 Andrew Bogut , MIL
69 32.3 175 222 2.54 3.77 .79
3 Greg Oden , POR
21 23.9 48 84 2.29 4.59 .57
4 Josh Smith , ATL
81 35.4 172 240 2.12 2.88 .72
5 Brendan Haywood , DAL-WAS
77 30.6 158 209 2.05 3.22 .76
6 Marcus Camby , POR-LAC
74 31.3 146 161 1.97 3.03 .91
7 Chris Andersen , DEN
76 22.3 143 171 1.88 4.05 .84
8 Samuel Dalembert , PHI
82 25.9 151 252 1.84 3.41 .6
9 Pau Gasol , LAL
65 37.0 113 152 1.74 2.26 .74
10 Brook Lopez , NJN
82 36.9 139 251 1.7 2.2 .55
11 Kendrick Perkins , BOS
78 27.6 132 219 1.69 2.94 .6
12 JaVale McGee , WAS
60 16.1 101 122 1.68 5.01 .83
13 Roy Hibbert , IND
81 25.1 131 285 1.62 3.09 .46
14 Marc Gasol , MEM
69 35.8 109 254 1.58 2.12 .43
15 Tyrus Thomas , CHA-CHI
54 22.6 85 129 1.57 3.34 .66
16 Joakim Noah , CHI
64 30.1 100 198 1.56 2.49 .5
17 Emeka Okafor , NOH
82 28.9 127 218 1.55 2.57 .58
18 Anthony Randolph , GSW
33 22.7 51 92 1.54 3.27 .55
19 Tim Duncan , SAS
78 31.3 117 152 1.5 2.3 .77
20 Andrew Bynum , LAL
65 30.4 94 193 1.45 2.28 .49
21 Joel Przybilla , POR
30 22.7 43 95 1.43 3.03 .45
22 Erick Dampier , DAL
55 23.3 77 153 1.4 2.89 .5
23 Andrea Bargnani , TOR
80 35.0 111 215 1.39 1.9 .52
24 Joel Anthony , MIA
80 16.5 109 158 1.36 3.96 .69
25 Jermaine O’Neal , MIA
70 28.4 95 212 1.36 2.29 .45
26 Andris Biedrins , GSW
33 23.1 44 117 1.33 2.77 .38
27 * Serge Ibaka , OKC
73 18.1 97 194 1.33 3.52 .5
28 * Hasheem Thabeet , MEM
68 13.0 89 162 1.31 4.84 .55
29 Al Jefferson , MIN
76 32.4 98 205 1.29 1.91 .48
30 Ronny Turiaf , GSW
42 20.8 54 98 1.29 2.97 .55
31 * Taj Gibson , CHI
82 26.9 104 282 1.27 2.26 .37
32 Theo Ratliff , CHA-SAS
49 16.5 61 87 1.24 3.63 .7
Fantasy Island
June 23rd, 2010
10:08 am
ID TS FOOLISH TO THINK THAT JOSH IS ANYTHING BUT A 4. HE WILL NEVER BE A 3. AL WOULD BE A BETTER 3 THAN JOSH.
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
10:14 am
WORD
IGNORANT;
lack of knowledge or understanding, a blanket statement not supported with facts or evidence just opinions i.e:
Look at how often he’s been traded over the last several yrs, and how little impact he’s had on his teams ability to win and play better DEF. The Denver situation should be all the evidence one needs to realize it takes more than the ability to block shots to be a good DEF player or team. Hell, Mark Eaton, Manute Bol and Gheorghe Muresan were 3 very tall, very slow and very unathletic premiere shot blockers that only a complete moron would consider good DEF players.
A premiere shot blocker would help compensate for MBibby’s matador approach to DEF, but it doesn’t mean your team or the shot blocker is good really defensively. Smoove is a good help defender, but his man DEF is below average. Howford isn’t as strong as Smoove on help DEF, but he’s a much better man defender. They compliment each other well, when not forced to defend PG’s and SG’s.
No stats or reviewable evidence. Pure propaganda from one persons opinion
do it
June 23rd, 2010
10:18 am
greivis vasquez
d oit
June 23rd, 2010
10:19 am
greivis vasquez
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
10:23 am
Cousins
Everybody has one or two or t three & once you sign a multi-million dollar contract?
Hundreds!
I would pass on Cousins in the Lottery!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
10:30 am
Cousins is Lazy!
And – so are mine.
Hawk n the Ham
June 23rd, 2010
10:32 am
Look at MC putting it down on the ‘Tooth-Spitter’!
bigdave
June 23rd, 2010
10:35 am
“bigdave, statements like yours are the very reason why we don’t have a championship team in Atlanta and the reason Atlanta is call the worse sports town in America.”
of course Tony.. im the reason. just like Lawal is a selfish player because of his low assist avg. not Techs offensive scheme. not his defined role. its b/c he’s just selfish.
“I beat you will be sweating in your seat like heck if Gain Lawal was at the free throw line with 2 second left in the game down 1 point?
im sure he’s “sweating in his seat” like me, on the bench, while Josh is at the line. he’s probably not in the game. no argument on needed improvement from the line. as i stated on the 17th:
“bigdave
June 17th, 2010
3:55 pm
not a lot of Lawal support i see. surprises me.
tough.. rebounds.. motor..
smh. we need toughness and heart.
he commits himself to increasing his free throw %”
so Tony.. don t fall victim to your sweeping statements.
newkid
June 23rd, 2010
10:38 am
MC, who is this guy Pendergraft, and what’s his track record in identifying talent?
doc
June 23rd, 2010
10:57 am
ramon, i agree with you and it is exactly what i said. straight up there are very few people that for the price give you what horford gives you. if you could get cp3 for horford and marvin and what you meant then i would consider it. unfortunately, you better have jj in hand before you pull the trigger because you essentially have put all your eggs in one basket and that would mean cp3 is playing without any weapons. that would mean we are sub 500 and looking at lottery again. three of your starers are gone and you have three point guards on your payroll.
sorry, ramon unless you get a big in the deal that can start one would be a fool to move horford. again, i dont see anyone of equal value straight up to come in and help the hawks right now at his position of equal value to make up for the loss of one of your best and consistent players on a 53 win team. people can belly ache all they want but horford is money in the bank and one of the imponderables at this junction and time. he is not the broken piece on this hawks team. the very short sighted or delerious say otherwise in the context of this team as a whole. not saying horfod doesnt have limitations but what frigging player doesnt/didnt except maybe MJ or kareem and they arent in the league any longer.
newk the same guy who gave us a bench player with our pick last year at 17. now why should we expect him to find us a rotational guy as a rookie at the 24th spot? yawn, wake me up when the draft is over.
Ken Strickland
June 23rd, 2010
11:07 am
DAP01-It would depend on several factors.
1-the teams assessment on the potential to resign JJ,
2-the teams assessment on the potential to resign or trade JChildress,
3-the teams assessment on its ability to sign a serviceable FA Big, like MJ MBenga. I’d much rather sign MBenga, who’s 7′, athletic and agile than drafting a project. We aren’t drafting high enough to expect to get a center capable of becoming an effective starter within the next few yrs, unless we’re insanely lucky.
4-The teams position on whether it wants to resign JCrawford.
5-The teams position on whether keeping AHorford at Center will hinder it’s ability to resign him.
While everyone is giving their 2 cents worth on who we should draft, there hasn’t been enough thought given to certain decisions the team has to make before making the selection. Why draft a center project if your greatest need is to replace JJ, and you can get a young center through free agency?
On the other hand, if you can get a replacement for JJ through FA, as well as a young FA center, why not draft a SF or PF. Don’t rule out a possible JSmith trade next yr for a starting center that will allow AHorford to move to PF, which just might be the key to persuading him to resign.
Bottomline, until any, or all, of these questions are answered, I don’t have a clue who I’d draft.
Hawks73
June 23rd, 2010
11:14 am
Have any of you guys considered that the Hawks may select the most sign-able player at their slotted pick? I mean with all the other discount bargain moves this joke of ownership group has made, has anyone stopped to consider this possibility?
Big Ray
June 23rd, 2010
11:37 am
drmaryb ,
I don’t know what precisely that cat’s problem is. Whatever it is, he has to deal with it on his own time.
Doc ,
I know, but I allow for the idea that there is some debate. Why not? We all have our opinions. Some of us are GROWN UP enough to debate them like intellectuals.
Some have to post under other names to defend their opinions and insult laden falsehoods. It is what it is.
N.D.T.K.A.
June 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
The big men available for the Hawks are either limited in ability or are too small to matter against most of the NBA bigs. Lance Stephenson or Damion James would be very good picks for the Hawks as day one contributors and as rotational player at the 2 or 3. Even the bigs the Hawks would have to trade up for like Hassan Whiteside is a project and weighs only about 235 lbs for a 7 footer. Whose to say if a guy like Darren Collison had been drafted by the Hawks would he not be in the same shape as Jeff Teague under the developement of Woodson? Will the Hawks develop whoever they draft with the intentions of allowing the player to contribute this season? Hawks need to get an athletic big to compete with the likes of D. Howard. That is a must. Free agency maybe the way to go in this regard. Hawks should think about guys like Dexter Pittman or Jerome Jordan in the second round as developemental backup center. Both have NBA bodies and can bang and rebound with NBA bigs. Stephenson and James maybe gone by Hawks pick.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
11:47 am
Doc, I agree that you have to know you have someone who can man the C position with that deal. And you have to know Joe is going to re-sign. I’ve said for a while the only way you trade Josh or Horford is if its from someone who you know is clearly better than either. Josh is my favorite player on the team, but I would ship him out for Chris Paul also. I just look at 5 or 6 years down the line when Paul is still able to guide a team. The Hornets team he took into the playoffs really didn’t have much. David West is overrated, Chandler only caught the occasional lob pass. And Peja was on one leg. The Hawks biggest problem hasn’t been the defense in the post. Their biggest problem has been the defense on the perimeter.
Big Ray
June 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
Ramon
Such a well-thought out post clearly separates you from an individual with an inane agenda.
I understand what you’re saying about Chris Paul. My only hesitation would be if CP3 can get fully back to his old self, and if he could maintain that health. Other than that, he’s a superstar, plain and clear.
I quibble with one tiny detail. I believe you said that you figured a team with CP3, JJ, and Josh Smith would be one of the to defensive teams in the league. I’d say that this would make us one of the top OFFENSIVE teams in the league. We would still then need to find a serviceable, if not good center with some good size, as Zaza would be the only true center type under contract still.
So if we did a deal like that, who would we add in the center spot, and how would we get them? Interested in your thoughts on the matter. The next question is who steps into the SF spot vacated by Marvin Williams? I have no issues with the way you’re thinking, I just wonder what your complete thought on the subject is.
For center, I wouldn’t mind grabbing Tyson Chandler, but he may cost more than the Hawks are willing to pay. For the SF spot, I’d like to sign both Ronnie Brewer (very good defender) and Anthony Morrow to come off the bench as a sniper at the SG spot.
JSS
June 23rd, 2010
11:53 am
@ drmaryb…
I thought that the Orlando series showed that this team had no idea of the importance of perimeter or transition defense… Just my opinion…
@ Grandad…
Thanks for putting the Kibosh on that Cole Aldrich suggestion… He’s good college player…
Ken Strickland
June 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
DICTIONARY-During the 07/08 season with Denver Marcus Camby averaged 13.1RPG, 3.61BPG, was voted DEF player of the Yr. The Nuggets PPG allowed that yr was 107.0. Camby was traded in 08/09 and replaced by his backup, Nene’, who averaged 7.8RPG and 1.31BPG, and the Nuggets PPG allowed was reduced to 100.9PPG.
Prior to Camby being traded to the LA Clippers, their 07/08 PPG allowed was 101.1. But after acquiring him their PPG allowed increased to 103.9. After trading him to Portland, they reduced their PPG allowed to 102.1PPG. Portland’s PPG allowed before acquiring Camby was 94.1, and after acquiring him it was 94.8.
Like I said, his shot blocking ability has had little to no impact on the teams overall DEF. You need to look up the definition of the word STUPIDITY, you might find a picture of yourself. I hope it’s in color.
You can use multiple names to try and hide your identity, but you can’t hide your perpetual ignorance and low basketball IQ.
doc
June 23rd, 2010
12:17 pm
ramon i dont go out on a limb with too many personnel suggestions. though i dont know all the intricacies involved as nire and manny t do i know we are in a tight budget and that rules not personnel acquisitions. i have even argued moving josh if we can get a true center that can do some of the things al cant and move al to sf. in the mean time, until we find equal talent to move them for, i think they make a very good combo deep that ranks with some of the best at early and tender ages they are.
ramon, again al is not the problem, he was part of the solution as we went to a 38, 47 and 53 win team with him, unless you find someone better than him. i dont think we get there without him. shore up the perimeter defense then we might see what coaches see in al, an all star. you dont trade one of those without having a clear cut player that is better to equal. we do need an ample back up to him tat would maybe allow him to move to the four occasionally. just my simple thoughts.
doc
June 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm
meant pf not sf in comments above of course.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm
Big Ray, I’d go for trying to sign Brewer and Chandler or Haywood. And I would look towards the veterans minimum to add depth at the wing position (again I say Stackhouse, Finley, Carney). I actually think Utah would go for a sign and trade with Chills. A deal where they sign Brewer and send him to us, and we send back the rights to Chills. With this (I may have it wrong) but I think we would still have the Mid Level exception to sign a big like Chandler. If there’s a chance Chandler would take that to be reunited with the PG who gave him his best professional years, I would then check and see if Brad Miller would play for the veteran’s minimum. And here’s another name for backup C Fesenko.
Paul, Joe, Brewer, Josh, Chandler. …That line up would help Joe so much because Joe would be able to guard the other team’s WORST perimeter starter. This would allow Joe to have more energy on the offense and leave him more efficient.
Also the bench would still consist of Teague, Crawford, Brad Miller, Zaza, Morris, Evans, and Stackhouse or another swing.
I love the way Horford plays, but I would take this starting line up over the line up we had last season any day. Also with Paul’s health, that’s why I didn’t include Teague in the deal (and you still have Crawford also). You could really lead Paul into the season slowly at 31-33 minutes per game. Also, I may be wrong, but I think a couple of Paul’s injuries haven’t been related. Also remember Wade had an injured past, lol.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
Jss
The Orlando series didn’t show us anything! The Hawks never came out of the locker room!
The Celtics series showed us more than the Hawks! That is – How to beat the Magic!
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
Doc, I think we’re saying the same things in a lot of ways. I’m saying I don’t think Al is one of the problems either. And I wouldn’t trade him for anything short of a superstar. I wouldn’t even trade Al for Tim Duncan right now. But I would trade him for Paul. Paul gives the Hawks more of an assertive back court, and Paul sell tickets. I would love to see Josh and Horford stay together. Lol, the only trade proposal anyone has ever seen me include Horford in is for Chris Paul (of course I would trade him for Lebron, Durant, and Kobe but they’re not on the trade block).
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
12:35 pm
KenS
There is a lot of FIGHT in that dog! That’s why he will – KILL, all his enemies!
Starting with them P.C. Sleeper cells!
Let’s Go Ken!
O'Brien
June 23rd, 2010
12:36 pm
As MannyT mentioned on the other blog, the Hawks have always been reactive instead of proactive. And I think thats because they dont want to pay a penny more than they have to. However, I hope Larry Drew and Rick Sund have scheduled a meeting the week of July 1 to talk to JJ and his agent.
They need to try and sell JJ on LD’s system, and also to get a better feel on his contract demands. I dont want the Hawks to sit around and wait for JJ to make a decision, while other free agents come off the board.
N-Trigue
June 23rd, 2010
12:46 pm
MC if Joe Johnson leaves do you think the Hawks might go after Shannon Brown? No ones talkin about him when Kobe went down to injury he was a beast! He would fit nicely with our players! Also I would try and trade marvin and draft pick to Golden State for Brandon Wright the he could take Marvins spot or be Josh Smiths backup!
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:05 pm
To look at Camby’s career in which he has been recognized as a defensive presence is not to say Camby is the model by which the impact of a defensive center is to be measured. In logic your argument would be classified as a formal fallacy because although you have a legitimate form:
All A are B
All B are C
_________
All A are C
You have still have a weak argument
You imply
Camby is a defensive center and all defensive centers are like Camby
Defense Centers are none impacting and all defensive centers are like Camby
__________________________________________________________________
all defensive centers are like Camby.
Now granted that is a formal form but you conclusion doesnt support the premises. In fact Of the two teams that reached the finals,both had legitimate big men who were able to defend the rim and paint. The lakers had 3 bigs who posted multiple double double’s.Boston also has 3 players to post multiple double doubles.
This is unlike your first posting which the book on logic classifies as “ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIAM” – Appeal to ignorance.
Verbatim
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
1:05 pm
Garbage Cans!
Trading players are like -Trading garbage cans!
One man’s Trash – is – Another man’s Treasure!
Here’s my point: for all of the dreamers that live on a diet of cherries & whip cream?
Please STOP typing OUT -LOUD about your dumb azz trade dreams!
Quite frankly, I for one, am losing my “ZEAL!” to blog with you cats (and, you know who you are),
about trades and the upcoming NBA Draft!
Please, Stop offering, (what you perceive to be our trash?) – in exchange for LeBron James & ‘Nem.
Just, please stop it! Or, find yourself a seat at the Kid’s Blog Table.
IDK, try: My Space or maybe Face-Book?
About making a trade right now, I am disappointed that we have made no adjustments since
acquiring J-Quick, BTW, whom I just Love. Why didn’t we go for Corey Maggettie-sp?
Milwaukee, got him for a bag of basketballs. Don’t, we got basketballs?
We can NOT wait and see what Mr. Johnson is gonna do, much less LeBron!
‘Cauz I can tell you right now! He AIN’T …. IS NOT … WILL NEVER … Be coming here!
The Hawks need to run their business and stop running their fingers under his balls!
Sometimes the BEST trade is – the TRADE never made! Remember that too?
We need to trade for the sake of trading! It’s good practice and it keeps your GM skills, well – sharp!
You should constantly tweak your roster, at all times. We can’t play poker if our
Chips are all – untouchable? Make every Chip valuable … Improve every postion – constantly!
Let’s Go Hawks! Let’s Go!
“Up-Grade Your Self!”
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:09 pm
Jordan Crawford
“He is efficient in virtually every situation, and shouldered a heavy load for Xavier, but his inability to get to the foul line prevents him from standing out as much as he could”.
Sounds more like Joe Johnson, than it does Jamal .
The Truth
June 23rd, 2010
1:09 pm
The problem with you intellectual bloggers is your post makes way too much sense for Hawks-Management Inc. Anyway, as we ponder the usual conversation about how the Hawks can really use a center; can someone again explain way we past over acquiring Garrent Siler for peanuts to filled the roster out with Othello Hunter only to cut him for Mario West only to be stuck again without frontline help only to probably again pass-over drafting a serviceable center for over-seas players we never sign only to again acquire the leftover has-been (nobody wants) FA centers as was done last year? This is surely the perfect definition of insanity. But Hey why not? “One More Time For The Gipper”
rudy
June 23rd, 2010
1:14 pm
joe johnson is a wannabe superstar,check his postseason stats
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:16 pm
Verbatim continued;
” When the premises of an argument state that nothing has been proved one way or the other about something , then the conclusion make a definite assertion about that thing the argument commits an appeal to ignorance,(which is why I called you out for ignorance). The issue usually involves something that is incapable of being proved or something that has not yet been proven. Heres an example:
People have been trying for years to disprove the claims of astrology and no one has ever succeeded. There for we must conclude that the claims of astrology is true.
This is a fallacy and nothing has been proven one way or the other about astrology nor have did your first (or second for that matter) prove anything about the Defensive Centers based on your premise that Camby is a defensive center whose team did not win a championship.
My aligning you with ignorance was based upon the knowledge of logic not just to hurl insults at you.
In the famous words of Sherlock Holmes, You assume facts not in evidence.
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm
* nor did your first argument
hermdawg
June 23rd, 2010
1:26 pm
I think the Hawks should look into trading both of their picks this year and try and get a center, I don’t think it would be hard for them to accomplish this.
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm
Mr. Strickland . . you’re kind of fudging the truth about Camby.
First off . . he was traded because Denver’s payroll was out of control
2007 – 08 Nuggets payroll:
Iverson: 19 mill
K-Mart: 13.25 mill
Carmelo: 13 mill
Camby: 11.25 mill
Nene: 8.84 mill
Najera: 4.95 mill
Hunter: 3.25 mill
Atkins: 3 mill
JR Smith: 2.13 mill
Carter: 1.1 mill
Kleiza: 1 mill
Jones: .7 mill
Diawara: .7 mill
Green: .4 mill
Wilks: .16 mill
Total: roughly 82.73 million . . or 83 million in payroll
That’s main reason why he was traded . . . to reduce Denver’s luxury tax number.
That Denver team in 2007 – 08 was the 10th rated defense in the league, even though they were next to last in points giving up, with Camby almost exclusively playing center. Nene was hurt the vast majority of the year.
Denver’s run and gun offensive style saw them give up a ton of points even in games that they won. Camby was BY FAR the best defensive player on that team. That’s why he was named to the 1st team All-Defensive NBA team.
Camby was traded because they had the luxury to replace him with Nene in the middle. But you know what else they did? They went out and got an energy guy at PF to bring off the bench, in the form of Chris “Birdman” Anderson. He would go on and average 2.5 blks a game in 08 – 09, effectively compensating for some of the shotblocking that Camby took with him.
Camby goes to the Clippers, and once again, he’s BY FAR the best defensive player on the team. Kaman gets hurt, so he also has to play center again, with that “defensive rock” Zach Randolph playing alongside him. Even going into this year, the Clippers held on to him, even though they’d essentially drafted his replacement in Blake Griffin. When he got hurt, they kept Camby around, and Camby proceeded to lead that team in rebounding . . despite true center Chris Kaman finally being healthy.
Portland acquiring Camby saved their season, when they started to freefall almost out of the West playoff race. the Blazers went 18 – 8 after acquiring Camby. The Clippers, on the other hand, went on to only win 8 more games after they traded Camby.
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You talk like Camby had no defensive impact on those teams, when in fact, it was Camby who gave most of those teams any form of defense in the first place, with his shot blocking and his excellent rebounding. And rebounding is part of playing defense.
Camby would be an excellent piece to add to this team, with his ability to play both the 4 and the 5 on occasion. Defensively, he’s a better center than Horford. Offensively, Horford is better. And no, I wouldn’t trade Horford for Camby.
But don’t talk like Camby doesn’t have a defensive impact or his defense is overrated. No . . he just had garbage defensive players around him for most of his career. We could definitely use a player with Camby’s shot blocking and rebounding abilities especially.
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm
Ray, also to be found in the book on logic- ” the science that evaluate arguments” I found two classifications of you arguments.
1) Argument against a person-(Argumentum ad Hominen)
Your logic is ‘Truth Serum uses multiple monikers when he post and I dont like that. Therefore what he is saying is not a valid argument’. Ad hominen has 3 forms but the one you
use often is call ad hominem circumstantial- the respondent attempts to discredit the opponent’s argument by alluding to certain circumstances that affect the opponent whose argument should be base on this association rather that the evidence presented.
2) Argumentum ad Populum – appeal to the people… an attempt the get the listeners to accept a conclusion with out sound premise and related evidence.
Kind of like when Salinger called you out about “reaping what you sowed and facts on my argument, rather address the issues, you chose to appeal to Dmaryb and Doc for support and have yet to address the issues presented.
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm
What’s up with the blocked shots infactuation? Orlando has the best shot blocker in the league, but got swept by a team that we owned this year.
cdog
June 23rd, 2010
1:49 pm
all i’m hearing about are guards and small forwards.sign joe johnson, concentrate on becoming bigger and talented inside so they can beat orlando, cleveland, miami and chicago.milwaukee may jump past the hawks if some of their injured come back 100%. rick sund, i’m trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.i’m wondering do the hawks even care about winning the NBAtitle?
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm
The book on logic would call your last post (as well as most of your post), a sound and Valid argument. I dont always agree with you but your arguments are very valid/sound so there is very little I can say…..except I recognize.
JoJo the Godfather
June 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm
Well, looks like the Bucks jumped on my “scraps” for Maggette trade idea (I had proposed Bibby & Evans)….There are a few other players rumored to be available that could help the Hawks (Biedrins, Mo Williams, Jose Calderon, Andre Miller, Hinrich, Iguodala, etc…)….I would take that same package of Bibby & Evans and make a run at any of those 4 point guards, with Hinrich being my first choice….If no bites on a PG, I’d take Mo Evans & the 24th pick and see if Philly would send us Thaddeus Young or if New Orleans would send us Julian Wright. Both seem to have fallen out of favor with their teams, but offer a more immediate contribution than the other wings available at 24.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm
There’s much anger today in Blog-ville it seems.
tidog
June 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm
Because there are so many soft big men playing center teams can manage quite well without that big man presence. Sure there are opponent match ups that will burn ya i.e. Dwight Howard but he’s a matchup problem for 97% of the league. The wing and backcourt is were production is absolutely needed. Upgrade the play at those spots (thats what the addition of Jamal did this past year) and take off. Now with that being said draft Armon Johnson PG/SG Nevada.
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm
Jo Jo, Hinrich over Andre Miller?
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm
truthspitter:
I agree with a great deal if not all of what you say.
W-side may or may not be available.
However, for the sake of argument,
his mental capabililities have [let's say] come into question.
Otherwise,
he would never drop to 24.
truthspitter – open your mind to:
Tibor Pleiss & or Zoubek.
Both
are shooting up the draft lists / charts as we speak.
Both 7-1.
Both shooting ^ up, like a rocket.
Neither will be there when we pick in 2nd round.
If you want somebody you’d best pick ‘em while you have the chance.
Matt Dillon
June 23rd, 2010
2:03 pm
tidog
June 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm
Because there are so many soft big men playing center teams can manage quite well without that big man presence. Sure there are opponent match ups that will burn ya i.e.
– BLAB BLAH BLAB BLAH BLAB….power forwards playing center may help a run and gun team but if you are trying to win a title or go after a championship you better strap up in the the post if you plan on winning. We dont want to be just average …they cant stop us and we cant stop them.
Mediocrity and its students get the Broomstick come the second round of the playoffs.
tidog
June 23rd, 2010
2:03 pm
Zoubek sounds too much like Tabeet to me
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:05 pm
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm
hey post a link on your 2 bigs, Id like to know more.
JoJo the Godfather
June 23rd, 2010
2:06 pm
I view Hinrich as a superior defender to Miller and he can hit the 3.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:08 pm
UN-WINNABLE WARS!
If you ever find yourself in an UN-WINNABLE WAR?
Immediately develop an EXIT strategy & Get the Hell outa there!
President Obama just fired General McChrystal and appointed General Patreaus:
To lead the Free-World in War Time!
Leaders Lead & Every One else Follows!
Right now, The Lakers are leading and the question is: Who will knock them off?
If your draft and trade boards don’t address – How to BEAT LA?
Then, Why are you here?
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:12 pm
Trade our 24 to Washington for # 30 & 35.
Pick Pleiss @ 30 if OK City doesn’t get him @ 26.
Then pick Vasquez @ 35 if he is still on the board.
Zoubek = safety net pick, just in case.
Then you pay only 2nd round money.
Why am I [not] doing this -FOR- Pendercrap.
He don’t even enjoy his job.
* & I Love it !!!
We could throw in our # 2 pick to sweeten if necessary.
However, several teams are after bour #24 pick.
Washington & Charlotte to name two.
* source – *Sporting News Radio*
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:14 pm
* our -NOT- ”bour” *
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm
Soul_Star
Re: 153 PM Post:
“There is a lot of anger on the blog today).”
That’s called Testosterone! Or, is it – Progesterone?
I can’t tell?
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm
Bucks just supposedly made another move:
They trade their 2nd round pick to New Jersey . . for Chris Douglas-Roberts. Looks like they’re trying to replace Salmons with yet another scorer type.
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And as for this Chris Paul rumor . . how serious would the Hawks be in making a play for him? As noted on Hawksquawk, they could possibly do this deal for him.
1) Smoove + Teague + #24 . . for Chris Paul
or if New Orleans simply wants cap relief after next season
2) Crawford + Evans + Teague for Paul
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In the 1st deal, you give New Orleans a young active PF who can provide highlight reel play to team with Collison. You’d also give them another PG to backup Collison, which they would need anyway, if they traded Paul. And they could use the #24 to add whatever player they wanted to.
In the 2nd deal, they’d get at least 12.5 million off the books in the form of Crawford and Evans coming off the books after next season. Additional money could come off, if they don’t give a team option to Teague going into the 2011 – 12 season.
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm
tidog:
There couldn’t be two more completely different [5's]
on the planet.
I’ll share more in a few.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm
I wonder whether a Smoove and teague for paul is giving up too much.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:31 pm
Now, if Obama will protect the Borders and Serve the American people the way he protects his political fabric we will be a better country.
dmaryb
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm
Northcyde, of those two deals, the 2nd would be more feasible on NO side. The reason I said Horford instead of Josh is Josh Smith and David West wouldn’t be able to play together. However, from their side Horford and David West or Horford and Okafor can play together. But I’d do the Josh for Chris Paul deal also.
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm
Knowledge Quest . . . Giving up too much? Too much for what? You’re adding a legit superstar to the team with that trade that could turn Al Horford into at least Carlos Boozer on offense. You’d take the ball out of JJ’s hands, allowing him more easy wide open looks. Even Marvin could potentially get better.
The only issue with a trade like that, is going out and finding a decent backup PF or C to possibly back up or even start in front of Zaza.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:39 pm
HATERS hate because – they AIN’T got ISH!
Haters hate because your piece of chicken is BIGGER than theirs.
Or, because your watermelon is seedless – and theirs is not.
We all want to hate and Beat L.A.! Why? Because, all they do is WIN!
Ask, the Celtics – If, you don’t believe me?
We all want LeBron or KOBE on our team. But, we have nothing, anybody wants in exchange.
Why is it – The Lakers and Celtics always get Lucky?
Because, Luck happens – when hard work meets opportunity!
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm
Ramon the Horford is a better option in my opinion
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm
Ramon . . it has to be Josh Smith, because the numbers have to match. He and Crawford are the only guys making enough money to make a trade like that work. Horford will only make 5.4 million next year.
Of course, I’d rather trade Crawford. But if we’re SERIOUS about going after Paul, you have to give up a piece to bring back a piece. A lot of people talk about how the “fans” need a superstar to bring into Atlanta . . well, there’s your superstar.
I’d doubt that Paul would be traded, so I’m not getting my hopes up. But if the Hawks are SERIOUS about going after a top level guy, Josh Smith is the guy that they’ll have to move in order to entice the other team to go for it.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm
Northcyde, Horford and Marvin would match Paul’s contract. And on NO side, Horford is more attractive to them than Josh, because of David West. Northcyde as I said, I would trade Josh Smith for Chris Paul too. But I think NO would demand Horford instead.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:48 pm
Knowledge Quest
Did the Bush’s do that? If NOT, then who?
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm
I see your points here. I was just thinking about the upside of Josh. the dude hangs out around triple double land, Plays a point forward and was named to the All Defensive team. I just believe in Defense.
Your position that Horford could be a boozer ….well , I dont think so.
I agree chris paul is a S.S. but he’s often injured and can be a ball hog. Id Love to have Chris but if we keep JJ and Crawford we arent exactly chop liver in the back court either. Id prefer to move either Al or Josh to shore up the man in the middle role. There are always tons of decent power forward but the premium is great for the Center.
How about this
Paul
JJ
Gay
Smoove
Amare
teague/bibby
moe evans
Joe Smith
Zaza
Siler
doc
June 23rd, 2010
2:53 pm
ramon i think the trade would leave cp with too few bullets. he has a huge contract so that means only the top tier money teams can afford him. isnt he in the 20 mil range? that leaves us with 40 mil to work with because we really only spent the cap minus the chills cover. in actual numbers we dont have much to work with and were probably ranked lower if actual salary spent were used rather than the number that includes the make believe number we “spend” on chills each year even though he is in greece.
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm
What does that mean? My comment is awaiting Moderation?
Better hurry up KQ !!! blog gobbler might devour the links.
M.E. / Ph. died
* nc * & everyone else – be leery of CP’s knees.
Do you really think he’d be on the block if truly healthy?
MsDee
June 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm
Northcyde,
I wouldnt want to give up Teague in that trade..if CP3 gets hurt, and he will, Teague needs to have those mins…The second choice for me with Teague being replaced by Bibby.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
2:59 pm
drmaryb,
These Georgia summers do something to ‘em. I’m staying out of it today. It’s hot enough in my kitchen at home.
MC,
Any word on who Larry’s picking up for assistants??
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
3:00 pm
Horford “-MUCH BETTER-” than Boozer !!!
There’s a reason I used quotes.
I’ll stand by -MY- quote.
-OR-
in other words
you can quote me on that.
-furthermore-
*Intangibles*Intangibles*Intangibles*Intangibles*Intangibles*
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
3:01 pm
dmaryb Bush did not do anything but establish a ho chin minh trail using Ollie north and a plane that crashed at the U.S. border loaded with cocaine.. His son left the border open and gave trucks the right to deliver anywhere in the us with out search. There was a time when the’d “drop” a trailer and then ameican truckers would pick it up and deliver it where it needed to go.
In a word no. Every body recognizes we have an illegal immigration and drug/human trafficking problem. Bush is not longer president so we cant expect leadership from him. Obama is numb to making a strong leadership position because he sold so he looks the other way. Problem persists. NO LEADERSHIP.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm
Doc, CP makes 14-16 mil over the next 3-4 seasons. That’s a bargain in my mind. Also, if you look at the Lakers, Boston, and other contenders, all of their money are put in the first 6-7 guys, and the other 5-6 guys consist of veteran minimums and rookie contracts. So if Joe, Josh, and CP takes up $43 million (Crawford comes off book next year and either takes a pay cut or leaves), that would actually be LOWER than majority of the contenders big three. Add up Kobe, Gasol, and Odum (or even Bynum), or Howard, Lewis, and Carter, or Billups, Anthony, and Martin. And we won’t even talk about the salary of Boston’s big three. However, Joe, Josh, and CP3 would be younger than all of those trios, while still being cheaper. Also that starting five would still be cheaper than either of the teams who made it to the conference finals this season.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
3:03 pm
Grandad, you’re saying right now Horford is much better than Boozer?
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
3:05 pm
http://dimemag.com/2010/06/carlos-boozers-impact-on-the-nba-drafts-top-10-picks/
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
3:11 pm
What does that mean? My comment is awaiting Moderation?
Better hurry up KQ !!! blog gobbler might devour the links.
Grandad that varmit has been camping at my door since Truth Serum came on the scene. If fact I often have to disguise myself to get past the little gobbler. I think they sick him on you when they want to control what your say. hes more like a German Shepard assigned to censors ideas not acceptable to the Bubba Crew.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
3:12 pm
*in fact
*you say
Ken Strickland
June 23rd, 2010
3:17 pm
If you look at the 2 most successful NBA franchises, the Celtics and Lakers, you’ll see that their success, luck, or what have you, is tied to them having a solid foundation. Having a solid foundation means having solid ownership. We probably have more owners making decisions right now than the Lakers and Celtics have had throughout their entire combined existence.
And our owners have probably spent more money on lawyers, accountants and court costs, fighting each other, than they have on running the Hawks. Our owners are not only fighting each other in court, they fought their own GM and forced him out, after siding with their HC, then got rid of the very HC they sided with.
Just like the team won in later yrs in spite of Woodson, both Woodson and the team were able to accomplish what they did in spite of ownership. The fact that ownership has gotten into an expensive and embarrassing legal fight over wanting to make decisions that should have been left to the GM they hired to make these decisions, says just about everything that needs to be said about the overall stupidity and incompetence of our ownership.
MsDee
June 23rd, 2010
3:17 pm
I would love to have CP3 and JJ but I dont want to give up Teague, JSmoove, or Al Horford to get them..Bibby, Zaza, Mo Evans, Marvin & #24 draft could all be had..keep 2nd pick for a center.. Jerome Jordan if he is still there or Dexter Pittman!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
3:18 pm
Chris Paul
Chris Paul without any bullets? Is like:
Gilbert Arenas in the locker room with three guns and no ammunition! – Harmless!
Basketball is a TEAM sport! If you don’t believe me? Go ask the G-4 Summit People!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm
Quest for Knowledge! Stay on the Bus!!!!
If not Bush, if not Obama? Then who? Who has restored american values and protected the fabric of america? Who did that?
Please let everyone know?
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
3:28 pm
Ramon:
I’m saying;
If I was coaching a team,
I would want Al on my team @ the [4]
preferrable to Boozer, -yes-.
My definition of ”better” goes beyond #’s.
My definition is so predicated on team-play & the like,
that I cannot yield – due to years of 1st hand experience.
Why do you think the *guy in Houston has been so successful,
the *GM [name escapes].
They have a boatload of players such as:
*Aaron Brooks
*Lowry
*Battier* ”the King of the little things”.
*Luis Scola
*Chuck Hayes – 6-5 center
*& they drafted Carl Landry
Oh yeah – *Daryl Morey: [GM]
non-taditional basketball scouting or something to that effect.
Bottom line = my answer is a resounding ” YES ” !!!
Truthspitter
June 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm
People, Chris Paul is not walking through this door get over it. We messed that up with Marvin “the bust” Williams. As for the draft, open your minds to the business aspect of NBA basketball combined with the talent and abilities needed to succeed on the basketball court. You can not get a PF or C on the open market for the same price that you could get a SG. Case in point, Dirk, Amare, Bosh, and even Boozer will make more than Gay and Johnson on the open market this summer. You do not get many chances to get a rotation PF or C for less than a rotation combo guard. It would make absolutely no sense for the Hawks to select a rotation combo guard over a rotation SF,PF, or C. We don’t want to spend money on the open market to build the team so this is the next best way. Paying a big man a little over $1,000,000 a year is a steal no matter how you put it.
As for Mr. Cunningham, maybe I did not understand the concept of cap holds which still makes no sense to me, but other than that my model was correct.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
3:30 pm
My Baby Daddy!
Soul_Star! You in the Kitchen and me just sittin’ in the living room – eating popcorn!
Gurl, I’m just watching the picture show! The fellas gettin’ LOUD & ROWDY up in here!
I just need a Grey Goose Martini – very dry – with three olives! Lawd have Mercy!
Whew! I needs me a man! A real man!
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
3:32 pm
New Orleans just publicly announced that they will not be trading Paul. I’m sure the amount of weight that that announcement carries will differ depending on opinion.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
3:35 pm
Disguises
If you need a Mask? To get in the front door and it’s NOT halloween?
Hello! H E L L O!
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
3:37 pm
drmaryb,
Made me think about Martinis and IMAX. I’ll never do that again on crutches, I was wobbling all the way to the parking lot.
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
3:38 pm
KQ:
I type slow.
Okay,
yesterday , I typed for 45 min. with a draft ” post ”.
Not that it was long , but I type slow.
Then, the durn little BG got me.
I was peee-osssed.
I may have scooped MC, reckon.
Just kiddin, MC.
Hope those links helped.
I’ll try & get a vid linked up.
I’m not especially tech-literate.
Actually I’m a tech retard.
Sorry,
neither am I politically correct.
G-dad.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm
I think Id take Boozer.
Position: F
Born: 11/20/1981
Height: 6-9/2,06
Weight: 266 lbs./120,7 kg
College: Duke
09-10 UTA 78 78 34.3 0.562 0.742 2.3 8.9 11.2 3.2 1.1 0.5 2.7 3.5 19.5
Career 510 469 32.7 0.541 0.111 0.728 2.7 7.5 10.2 2.5 1.0 0.5 2.2 3.2 17.2
Al Horford
Born: Jun 3, 1986
Height: 6-10 / 2.08
Weight: 245 lbs. / 111.1 kg.
College: Florida
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
09-10 ATL 81 81 35.1 0.551 1.000 0.789 2.9 7.0 9.9 2.3 0.7 1.1 1.5 2.8 14.2
Career 229 225 33.3 0.527 0.143 0.753 2.7 6.9 9.6 2.1 0.8 1.1 1.6 3.0 12.0
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
3:52 pm
I wish the Hawks would at least make an attempt to pry the rights of Tiago Splitter away from the Spurs. I’d give them our first round pick and Josh Childress for the current Spanish League MVP.
The 25 year old center wants a 5 year, 25-30 million deal??? That’s all??? Give it to him!!
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
3:54 pm
Grandad, I guess we see things a little differently. Because I haven’t seen anything (aside from the injuries) that would suggest Horford is a better character guy than Boozer. Actually, Sloan said one of the reason he liked Boozer so much was because he was a high character guy. And even in the locker rooms (Utah and Cleveland), I’ve never heard of him giving problems. The only problem that came up with Boozer was when they said he ‘promised’ he would sign an extension with Cleveland and went out to Utah. But who could blame him for going to play for Jerry Sloan. So I’d take Boozer over Horford, right now. And I think 25 NBA coaches would also.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
3:59 pm
I_am, you would trade a 1st round pick, and Childress for an overseas player who may decide he doesn’t want to play for the ASG organization? I would love to have him if he guaranteed he’d sign for that. But I’d just trade the rights to Chills for him, not the 1st round pick.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
4:00 pm
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm
Quest for Knowledge! Stay on the Bus!!!!
If not Bush, if not Obama? Then who? Who has restored american values and protected the fabric of america? Who did that?
Please let everyone know?
I shouldnt bother to answer you seriously seeing that I detect the sarcasm in your voice.
So I say this and ignore you the rest of the way out.
America is not doing so well right now in many aspects. We face some serious issues that we would hope our leadership would have the backbone to face. IT AINT HAPPENING. In Obama we looked for Jesus and found George Bush the 4th. He has done nothing to secure our borders or protect the rights of the “AMERICAN” PEOPLE. The only transfer of wealth has been from the lower middle class to the illegal aliens. The american poor are not only losing their low paying jobs to illegal aliens but at the same time they are forced to fund food stamps through taxes for the poor illegal aliens that come here from Mexico who are using the exponential plant baby strategy. California has went bankrupt and Arizona is over whelmed and Obama looks the other way. I too voted for obama because I had the audacity of hope. But like the hawks season, at some point reality sinks in and youve been had. . .
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm
Ramon Id bet the number is higher than 25 coaches. I dont think Horford is quite the player or physical specimen Carlos is. Not close.
But I do respect the right of the Horfordites to feel that way.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm
Ramon,
Would be nice, but no way you just get this guy for Childress. Good centers are hard to find.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
4:05 pm
Grandad what about those links?
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
4:26 pm
Knowledge for Quest
Again, who has done that? These problems began 6000 years ago. Not, 18 months ago!
As you so eloquently and intellectually put it out there? Who is the blame for all this?
Who do you personally, blame?
I blame, the, ” Father of the Lie”. “The Ruler of this System of Things!”. Saþan the Devil!
In the Garden of Eden, Satan the Devil, deceived the Woman and tricked her into being disobedient to the
Rule of Law! And, in kind, Adam (who was neither deceived nor tricked), He chose to join with her in her sin!
The wages of SIN is DEATH! Thereby, we all grow old, get sick and die!
But, GOD loved the World so much, he gave his only begotten son and now we have the
HOPE of redemption and a resurrection to Live Restored.
Here’s my point: the Devil, being the sore loser that he is! He is testing us and our Faith in GOD!
Our innate desire to please him and serve him and to do his WILL!
The Devil, threw down the gauntlet and thereby, Challenged God’s Universal Sovereignty and
consequently, GOD’S Right to Rule over his OWN creation – ManKind!
I don’t know about you – Quest for Knowledge? But, if I were a betting Man and had to choose sides with:
Whom has the Universal Sovereignty? – (The Right to Rule over Mankind?)
I’LL PUT MY MONEY on GOD! Every Time! So, no, I don’t look to MAN-KIND’s Government to bring about what only GOD can do:
Deliver True Peace & Security around the World! For once and for all times!
In the book of Matthews: Jesus delivered to his disciples a model prayer, when they asked him,
“How do we then pray?”. … Thy Kingdom ( synonymous with government) come..
Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven!”
We just want peace man! GOD never gave Man the Power to do that!
So, no, I never voted for Obama or any other Man! I voted for God’s Son – Jesus!
He is my sacrificial Lamb, My Truth and My Way!
Good Luck on your Quest for Knowledge!
bigdave
June 23rd, 2010
4:34 pm
looks like Melo wont be, if he ever was, an option:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5318846
The Truth
June 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm
drmaryb
Girl-friend I didn’t know you were actually going to go there, like that, but you actually went there.
Amen!
Feel free to borrow my handle for the rest of today
Sincerely,
The Truth
HoosierHawk
June 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm
I know the Chris Paul rumors are all wishful thinking, but Hoops Hype makes it sound like if the owner can’t sell the Hornets, he will have to drop Paul. They are at 72 million already with only 10 guys signed. So if it’s all about cap room, how about moving Crawford and Mo (both expiring contracts)? They have Collisson but not a great SG. I bet if we had Paul, Joe would want to come back. He wants to leave to play with a superstar, so problem solved.
Big Ray
June 23rd, 2010
5:00 pm
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm
What’s up with the blocked shots infactuation? Orlando has the best shot blocker in the league, but got swept by a team that we owned this year.
So true. And you won’t find that in any DICTIONARY.
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
5:02 pm
JJ, aren’t you tired of our pg shooting 3’s yet? We need a fascilitator, not another guy jacking up 3’s. And missing a lot more than he hits may I add. You see what Miller did for the Blazers? Not saying I want him, but I’d take him over Hinrich all day long.
Sautee
June 23rd, 2010
5:21 pm
Truth-serum,
You said this: “I dont think Horford is quite the player or physical specimen Carlos is. Not close.”
For once we somewhat agree. Although, I’d say that Al is every bit the physical specimen that Carlos is, I DO think Boozer is a much more developed player than Horford. He has a cleverness to his offense that Al would do well to copy.
However, I’d contend that they are closer than you may think.
By the end of Boozer’s third year, his career averages were:
14.4 pts, 9.3 reb.
Al is at 12.0 and 9.6
And in Boozer’s first three years he took 2219 shots.
Al took 2109, over 100 shots fewer, even though he played 22 MORE games than Boozer (due to an injury when he got to Utah). Meaning that his teams’ offense was less focused on him than Boozer’s.
Give Al another 110 shots over that period, and he’d be very close to Boozer’s third year numbers. And he’s already topping the rebound numbers.
Oh, and blocked shots?
Boozer at his third year: 0.6 / gm
Horford at his third year: 1.1 / gm
(So Horford is almost TWICE the shotblocker that Boozer is. I thought you’d want to know, since blocked shots mean so much to you.)
But the reasons Grandad would rather have Al are all the intangibles he brings, in addition to his production..
And I TOTALLY agree with Grandad about this.
O'Brien
June 23rd, 2010
5:29 pm
At the trade deadline, I suggested going after Chris Douglas Roberts to give him a shot as our backup SF. And now he gets traded for a future second round pick? The Hawks have 2 second round picks next year (one from Houston), and we didnt want him? If he works out, great. If he doesn’t, we waste a second round pick. SMH at Rick Sund.
northcyde,
I’m with Ramon. i dont think N.O. want Josh, because they have David West.
Ramon,
I dont think the Hornets want Horford either. After this season, he will be a restricted free agent, and will probably get at least $10 mil. Hornets already have Okafor paying him over $10 mil. So unless they plan on trading Horford again, I dont think they want him.
The rumor is the Nets were offering Devin Harris and the #3 pick, and the Hornets turned it down. I think the Hornets have to be blown away by a trade offer to trade CP3.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 23rd, 2010
5:36 pm
“I wonder whether a Smoove and teague for paul is giving up too much.”
CP3 is better than anyone on the Hawks. I would trade any Hawk for him, and depending on what other considerations were available, I might even be willing to include two core players (for example Joe and Al) for CP3.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
5:42 pm
Sautee I wasnt sure what Grandad was saying in terms of who he preferred. I think Boozer is whey (is that really a word?) more physical in the paint than Al Booze is a power forward and not a center. I would rather compare him to Josh than Al. Al is our center. Thats important to consider when you compare stats because what is asked of a center and what is asked of a power forward is not the same. They dont perform of same office.
Compare Al to centers and Boozer to power forwards. I wouldd not like carlos as my center either.Hes strong and physical. Hes much stronger than Al.and would is a better power forward than al would be. If you talking between him and Al at the pf spot I think its a no brainer for boozer.If you are talking Josh and Boozer I think intangibles come in to play.
Defensively Josh was second among power forwards for defense, Al got 1 vote to be on the second team and Carlos got zero votes. Keep in mind this is how the 30 NBA coaches see the players defensive skills.
Yes you are right ” when it comes to the post”, Blocks and altered shots definitely are significant stats.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
5:54 pm
Ms Dee
“I would love to have CP3 and JJ but I dont want to give up Teague, JSmoove, or Al Horford to…”
Id have to agree with you. Chris is a very good player but the game must revolve around him. Josh is a very good player who hasnt even begun to peak. With in two years he will be unstoppable, I believe. Hes pretty darn good now. Chris was a super star but injuries keep him from maximum performance. He like T-Mac in that regards. T-Mac was also a near super star but injuries kept him back to. So, NO, i do give up my nucleus to get a player who has a propensity for injuries. Al for Chris straight up or Josh for Chris straight up . maybeeeeeeee
Sautee
June 23rd, 2010
5:55 pm
Truth-serum,
“whey (is that really a word?) ”
Maybe you should ask Little Miss Muffet?
I only compared them because you did. Or at least, that’s the way I took it when you said: “I dont think Horford is quite the player or physical specimen Carlos is.”
That IS a comparison, is it not?
ReddJonn68
June 23rd, 2010
6:09 pm
Trajic Tragedy !!! This years crop is going to be a bust, especially Patrick Patterson. You have guys skipping workouts, like their Eli Manning. Gimme a Break. Get with the program, this Draft looks like our roster ! Not ready for Prime Time in the NBA. Don’t be surprised if the players coming out this year gives the same effort the Hawks gave against the Magic. Even if we drafted an upperclassmen with potiential skills he is only gonna be as good as his leaders. They need a live low post addition ( sorry Pachilla = wasted contract). This team has the cancer of no Leadership, good luck Larry !! Keeping it Real.
Roy
June 23rd, 2010
6:11 pm
Why Mot Lance Stephenson. He has as much upside as anyone and can potentially compete for minutes early
richbrave
June 23rd, 2010
6:36 pm
4-12 = .333 with 3 BB, 6 SO, 1 HR, 1 2B, 3 RBI, 2 R, 2 SB, 0 CS, 11 PO, 0 Assts, 0 E. 1-3 RISP. Not bad for the first four games of American Legion ball grandson, keep it up.
richbrave
June 23rd, 2010
6:44 pm
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drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
6:53 pm
BLOCK BUSTER TRADE!
Well, the good ole ASG is at iþ again: they just acquired 6 bonafide players from Chicago, the team that just won The Stanley Cup! And, oh yeah! Just 2 days before the NHL Draft?
Do they even have a HC over there?
Wow! Ilya Kovlachuk is the GIFT that just keeps on giving back!
Now, what are the Hawks gonna do! The Bucks, Grizzlies and Timberwolves are making moves.
Sacramento and Detroit and Every Body is wheeling and dealing?
Why can’t we do that?
Rondo
June 23rd, 2010
6:56 pm
drmaryb- Good doctor how can you curse out of one side of your mouth and praise god out of the other side of your mouth. You sound like one of those twisted mouth politicians. Just stick to b-ball Sista Soulja. Go Hawks
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
7:23 pm
Enter your comments here
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:26 pm
Rondo
There a curse words in the Bible. Have you ever hear of an Ass?
Or, Hell? Be careful, You may end up in Hell on the back of an Ass!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:26 pm
Rondo
There a curse words in the Bible. Have you ever heard of an Ass?
Or, Hell? Be careful, You may end up in Hell on the back of an Ass!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:27 pm
Rondo
There are curse words in the Bible. Have you ever heard of an Ass?
Or, Hell? Be careful, You may end up in Hell on the back of an Ass!
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
7:31 pm
Sautee you walked into a conversation Grandad had chaired about comparing Horford and Boozer. At that point we are just talking about styles of play and gamesmanship. Which the comparison can be made. But when you start comparing stats and careers then that changes the dynamics. We now have to consider that different things are required from different positions on the floors. Therefore comparing power forwards and center in term of stats is not equitable.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:32 pm
Rondo
Oh yeah! And prayer helps too. We have to pray for forgiveness all the time, every day.
Because, we are all sinners and that’s why Jesus died, so that we can be forgiven, when we fall short!
Oh, yes, Mr. Rondo, we all fall short. Even, you do too!
Peace & Love not Sticks and Stones. Lighten up and have some fun on the blog.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:38 pm
Rondo are you also, Knowledge Quest?
(Hell, I can’t keep up with all these same people posters … Makes my head spin!)
He is the blogger, that took it there.
He and I had to have a “Come to Jesus” meeting.
He was going way overboard with all the …
World’s Troubles and tried to blame all that ISH on one person?
Now Rondo, you know – that is just wronge!
Word to the Wise
June 23rd, 2010
7:50 pm
Render unto Caesar, the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things which are Gods.
Politics and religion drink their water from the same trough
hope and faith spring from the same fountain.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
7:51 pm
It was just a matter of time before you decided to position one of your adversaries as Truth Serum.
I saw that coming!
MannyT
June 23rd, 2010
7:53 pm
Just a tidbit for @MC’s latest article about #24 picks. If he’s going to make that reach, he should have mentioned Jack Bauer. No one has made 24 as recognizable as Jack
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
7:55 pm
Sorry for the multiples?
This Blackberry is having technical difficulties.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
8:00 pm
“He is the blogger, that took it there.
He and I had to have a “Come to Jesus” meeting.”
You went there on your own. I did not follow and once I saw the You put on that holier than thou robe I got out of the way before the lighting bolts came.
So No You went there on your own and if there was a come to Jesus meeting I Hope you went. I heard a preacher say one day that the soul you save maybe your own.
I Just mentioned that a lot of people wanted Jesus when they vote for Obama and got Bush the 4th instead and then came this unsolicited monologue:
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
4:26 pm
Knowledge for Quest
Again, who has done that? These problems began 6000 years ago. Not, 18 months ago!
As you so eloquently and intellectually put it out there? Who is the blame for all this?
Who do you personally, blame?
I blame, the, ” Father of the Lie”. “The Ruler of this System of Things!”. Saþan the Devil!
In the Garden of Eden, Satan the Devil, deceived the Woman and tricked her into being disobedient to the
Rule of Law! And, in kind, Adam (who was neither deceived nor tricked), He chose to join with her in her sin!
The wages of SIN is DEATH! Thereby, we all grow old, get sick and die!
But, GOD loved the World so much, he gave his only begotten son and now we have the
HOPE of redemption and a resurrection to Live Restored.
Here’s my point: the Devil, being the sore loser that he is! He is testing us and our Faith in GOD!
Our innate desire to please him and serve him and to do his WILL!
The Devil, threw down the gauntlet and thereby, Challenged God’s Universal Sovereignty and
consequently, GOD’S Right to Rule over his OWN creation – ManKind!
I don’t know about you – Quest for Knowledge? But, if I were a betting Man and had to choose sides with:
Whom has the Universal Sovereignty? – (The Right to Rule over Mankind?)
I’LL PUT MY MONEY on GOD! Every Time! So, no, I don’t look to MAN-KIND’s Government to bring about what only GOD can do:
Deliver True Peace & Security around the World! For once and for all times!
In the book of Matthews: Jesus delivered to his disciples a model prayer, when they asked him,
“How do we then pray?”. … Thy Kingdom ( synonymous with government) come..
Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven!”
We just want peace man! GOD never gave Man the Power to do that!
So, no, I never voted for Obama or any other Man! I voted for God’s Son – Jesus!
He is my sacrificial Lamb, My Truth and My Way!
Good Luck on your Quest for Knowledge
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:25 pm
You just got – schooled about – why the World is in a mess!
Class dismissed.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm
And, if anyone is looking for Jesus?
* Breaking – News!* Jesus ain’t in washington, DC and his name ain’t Obama.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
8:32 pm
Just skimming your sermon, I think your point is Jesus ran for president and lost.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
8:34 pm
Hey Just laughing out loud at the 8:32 post.
Your points are very well taken and received. Amen!
Breaking – News!* Jesus ain’t in washington, DC and his name ain’t Obama.- Double Amen!
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm
Now, can we get back to trading Horford?
T.C
June 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm
How come NOBODY is talking about the seriousness of Chris Pauls injury AND THE FACT THAT HE HAD PART OF HIS KNEE REMOVED? That’s why he’s on the trading block. Because for what he had done to his knee, the future doesn’t look too bright for Mr.Paul. Essentially his knee is a ticking timebomb waiting to break down. LOOK IT UP!
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm
TC
Dang! CP3 had part of his knee removed? Wow! I’ll take him anyway! One knee,t
two knees or, a half – knee. He’s better than anything we got!
Did he have micro-fracture surgery?
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
9:21 pm
T.C
June 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm
How come NOBODY is talking about the seriousness of Chris Pauls injury?
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm
I see your points here. I was just thinking about the upside of Josh. the dude hangs out around triple double land, Plays a point forward and was named to the All Defensive team. I just believe in Defense.
Your position that Horford could be a boozer ….well , I dont think so.
I agree chris paul is a S.S. but he’s often injured and can be a ball hog.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
5:54 pm
Ms Dee
“I would love to have CP3 and JJ but I dont want to give up Teague, JSmoove, or Al Horford to…”
Id have to agree with you. Chris is a very good player but the game must revolve around him. Josh is a very good player who hasnt even begun to peak. With in two years he will be unstoppable, I believe. Hes pretty darn good now. Chris was a super star but injuries keep him from maximum performance. He like T-Mac in that regards. T-Mac was also a near super star but injuries kept him back to. So, NO, i do give up my nucleus to get a player who has a propensity for injury
richbrave
June 23rd, 2010
9:53 pm
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm
And, if anyone is looking for Jesus?
* Breaking – News!* Jesus ain’t in washington, DC and his name ain’t Obama.
And he ain’t a WIZARD either
T.C
June 23rd, 2010
9:57 pm
Here:
http://richiez23.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-nba-future-of-all-star-paul/
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
10:05 pm
Rich-Brave
Hey baby! The last time, I blogged you? The black hole ate my words and it was too long to
re-type it! Anyway, great to see you on here!
What’s up with the Wizards?
Another Potential List | Soaring Down South | An Atlanta Hawks blog
June 23rd, 2010
11:12 pm
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richbrave
June 24th, 2010
12:21 am
drMaryb:
They finally got a good owner. Now he’s about rebuilding the business on a solid footing starting with JOHN WALL tomorrow night. Accountability is the name of the game in WIZARDS land from now on, somethin’ new in this town, and don’t you know that’s the truth.
BTW, just learned tonight that my grandson made STATE (VA.) AA Baseball Honorable Mention as a freshman. And he got his first coach’s interest at a ballgame, LIBERTY U. in Lynchburg, Va. The first of many I’m sure. The coach came to see a senior on the other team and inquired about my grandson. About fell out when he found out he was only a freshman.
drmaryb
June 24th, 2010
1:55 am
Rich!rave
Wow! That is awesome! Your grandson is a blue-chipper Stud! Tell him to keep up the hard work and make his Grandpa proud!
Yeah, I see the Wizards are turning that ship around!
Go Wizards!
drmaryb
June 24th, 2010
2:12 am
Bees Knees!
The New Orleans Hornets’ PG has – Bees Knees! (not very funny at all!)
I just read that link re: CP3 and his knee surgery. I had no idea his injury was so
devastating. I don’t care who you are, even superman can’t fly well without one of his two meniscuses.
This is a career ending type injury. I actually specialize in extremity joint care and rehabilitation!
And, this is really bad for CP3’s career!
Can you say, Anfernee Hardaway and jamal Mashburn? Career Over!
I wouldn’t give a bag of basketballs for Chris Paul right now! Stick a fork in him, he’s done.
He now has the knee of an 80 year old man. Osteo-Arthitis is in his very near future.
He will be icing and draining that knee after each game! He is definitely on the trading blocks now!
Bynum in Los Angeles had a tear of his meniscus and you saw him hobble. Well, Chris Paul
had a complete removal of one of his meniscus, so there is no shock absorption between the Femur
And the tibial plateau.
Can you say, Bone on Bone contact? Not to mention the distal femur slipping from side to side and off the joint base? Yikes, balky knee!
Like I said earlier, trading players is like trading garbage cans!
One man’s junk is another man’s treasure – except in this case? It’s all Junk!
No Thanks – I’ll put my money on Teague!
drmaryb
June 24th, 2010
2:21 am
China Doll
Chris Paul is like a China Doll:
A pleasure to look at – A treasure to behold! But, if you break it? Consider it Sold!
This kid is like a Pinata – Pretty … but fragile!
He is like a Cadbury’s Chocolate Easter Bunny – Pretty but Hollow!
I feel really bad for him, he is very nice.
Sautee
June 24th, 2010
2:27 am
I thought everybody knew that Jesus plays in Boston.
His last name is Shuttlesworth.
drmaryb
June 24th, 2010
2:30 am
Movers and Shakers!
Minnesota has 5 first round draft picks! Tell them this draft isn’t deep – they’re not buying it!
Didn’t they also draft like 5 PG’s last year? And we know they’re stupid, what are they gonna’ do with all them picks? Package them, make trades, move up or down?
Word is, they’re looking to move Al Jefferson to break up him and Kevin Love.
Mmmmh… Is Sund listening, watching or what?
There are only three types of GM’s in the league:
1. The one who watches things happen.
2. The one who makes things happen.
3. The one who sits on the curb, and when all is said and done says, “What Happened?”
Mr. Sund, what TYPE of GM are you?
tony
June 24th, 2010
9:09 am
bigdave, let me explain what I mean by high IQ verses low IQ. Have you ever gone to a basketball game during warm ups? You might notice that most shooting guards shoot around 90 to 100% during warm ups. During the game their percentage drops around 30 to 40%. Why? Because some players can’t handle pressure and other just force and take bad shots. My perception of a high IQ shooter is a player who shoots around 45 to 50% around the perimeter.
Lets take a sg who have a high assist percentage. A sg who average around 4 assist a game I consider them as a high IQ basketball player because he shares the ball with his teammates. He’s team oriented. A high IQ pg should average around 5 to 6 assists a game. His job is to create scoring opportunities for his team and to set up the offense.
I consider a 80% free throw shooter as an high IQ basketball player because it takes good technic to knock down free throws. Free throws are very very important because they will determine the outcome in games. I will consider a 71% FT shooter depending on his overall game. I’m talking about college players only. The pros are a different beast.
I’m pretty sure other people have their on perception about this but these are mines.
Dandy
June 24th, 2010
10:12 am
lets talk about round 2…
The Hawks take…Andy Rautins G Syracuse! do it
samuel
June 24th, 2010
11:00 am
Aquire the best player you can. Then trade him for a legitmate center, Maybe the back up center to Dwight Howard.
ASHCAN.
June 24th, 2010
11:36 am
@ Flase serum i just know you didn’t mention taking notes from mark bradley? no wonder you don’t know what your talking about.Check this,THERE ARE NO READY TO PLAY RIGHT NOW CENTERS IN THE DRAFT PICKING AT NO.24!!!!!!!!!
jojo sunshine
June 24th, 2010
11:48 am
The hawks already dropped out of playoff contention by hiring Larry Drew. We will not get any free agents because they all want to play for a proven coach – which means where eer Phil goes or Miami where Pat is about to take back over. Our selection at 24 has no bearing on the season. We will never get anywhere with this group of owners and this management and this coach. I am finished hoping. I wish Ted would by the hawks back and hire me to manage the team and the trades. I would do it for 100 grand a year and then we could use that money to pay the best coaches and the best talent and make Atlanta the best city in America. Oh well, it is not going to happen. Pick 24 sucks and the Atlanta Hawks will lose Joe Johnson and get nothing in return. We will then be taken apart player by player and go through the losing again for another 10-12 years. I miss nique. Dang I miss Jon Konkak and Randy Whitman. I miss Doc Rivers.
Oh Well.
BamaFan
June 24th, 2010
12:33 pm
Why do I see no centers on that list? We are worried about the wrong thing. Let Joe go, get a quality guard for trade and draft a center or vice versa.
Hawks' Nest Monsta
June 24th, 2010
5:30 pm
This Joe / J-chill situation is really hurting us. I’d much rather have chill back and joe gone, so we can have our young team back. Childress brings energy (which we need), and his fro is awesome. and he’s undervalued, so we probably won’t benefit as much from a trade. imagine: teague, chill, marvin, smoov, horford. some of yall need to stop hating on marvin, because you clearly don’t realize how crucial his defense is, not to mention he’s by far the most disciplined player on the team. His stats do not reflect his value…
But I digress.
Drafting a two-guard could be useful because we may not have joe or chill (and mo is getting old). But we could really use a good backup for josh, someone athletic and explosive.
A center (and by center, i mean 7-footer) might be awesome as well, but i’m not sure how the lineup would look. It could let horford go to the 4, smoov at the 3 (marvin on bench?), someone (jamal?) at 2, and teague at point. i’m just concerned about the defensive matchups, but if j-smoov steps up and horford boxes out, we should be fine.