Atlanta Hawks: Could these draft prospects help the Hawks now?
Could this be Atlanta's next 'Nique? (Atoyia Deans, St. Pete Times)
Before you can begin to examine the players the Hawks will consider drafting with the No. 24 pick on Thursday, you first must understand the competing philosophies at play.
As they wind down their draft preparations, GM Rick Sund, assistant GM Dave Pendergraft, Hawks scouts and L.D. must decide if they want to draft a player with a skill (or skills) that can help the team now but with limited upside, or take a prospect who likely won’t see minutes early but could develop later into a good NBA player. The Hawks are compiling a list of players in each pool.
“First, we have to decide which way to go,” Pendergraft said. He declined to name names but he and others provided enough clues for me to make some educated guesses. I fully expect to be hated on when the Hawks inevitably don’t draft any of these guys.
Once the Hawks determine their strategy, they then have to figure out which prospects are likely to be there when they pick. Considering the league office had a tough time completing its list of 15 players to invite to the “green room” in New York, you know how much guesswork goes into the Hawks figuring out which players will be there at No. 24.
“Do we figure out who is drafting who?” Pendergraft said. “Or do we try to continue to evaluate the players on tape and do background info on them? You want to know exactly who is taking who, but you are not going to get it [down] to the team anyway.” He said the Hawks have done “a bit of both” as draft day approaches.
Pendergraft was optimistic about the depth of the draft during the college season but grew pessimistic early in the postseason draft process. With the draft a couple days away, he’s somewhere in between.
“I think we will be glad to get a guy we are happy to have,” he said.
A look at the players that could be available at No. 24 that the Hawks might consider, from among the “could help them now” pool. I’ll have stuff on the long-term potential guys in a later blog post.
NBA skill now
Gani Lawal, F, 6-9, Georgia Tech
“One thing I think always translates from the college game to NBA is rebounding,” Pendergraft said, and that explains Atlanta’s interest in Lawal despite his projection to play power forward, where the Hawks have Smoove, Al and Zaza as options.
Lawal ranked 25th in the NCAA in pace-adjusted rebounds, according to Draftexpress.com. Lawal ranks seventh in that stat among sure-fire and possible first rounders, behind DeMarcus Cousins, Cole Aldrich, Larry Sanders, Hassan Whiteside, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Jarvis Varnado.
Trevor Booker, F, 6-7, Clemson
“Booker is a heck of a rebounder,” Pendergraft said. “Both of them [Booker and Lawal] have the physical presence. They are not going to get crushed.” Booker projects as a power forward and is undersized for the position, but according to NBADraft.net he “shows the ability to step out on the perimeter and knock down the jumper, even showing three point range at times” and “can also use his handle and quickness to blow by bigger defenders.”
So perhaps Booker could provide the Hawks more than just rebounding.
Jordan Crawford, G, 6-4, Xavier
Crawford canceled his workout with the Hawks and Pendergraft isn’t confident he will still be available at No. 24. DraftExpress.com has has Crawford going 27th to the Nets, so it’s possible Atlanta will have a shot at him. If he’s there and the Hawks want a scorer, Crawford might be the guy.
“He’s like a miniature version of Jamal [Crawford],” Pendergraft said.
Says DraftExpress: “[H]e is efficient in virtually every situation, and shouldered a heavy load for Xavier, but his inability to get to the foul line prevents him from standing out as much as he probably could. The second most efficient player in our rankings overall (1.014 PPP), Crawford gets fouled on his 5.1% of his shots (3rd last). A highly ranked catch and shoot player with or without a hand in his face, Crawford’s inability to draw fouls renders him as a below average finisher at .993 PPP.”
Dominique Jones, 6-4, G, South Florida
Jones, whose stock reportedly is on the rise, is another scorer: DraftExpress says he’s “both a high usage and high efficiency scorer, which is a rare combination to find.”
Pendergraft said Jones gets his points less by shooting well and more by getting to the basket. “He will find a way to score,” is how Pendergraft put it. “He’s such a great ballhandler. He’s so strong. He can get in the paint, and anytime you can get a guy in the paint [on] the dribble-drive, something good happens.”
Terrico White, 6-3, G, Ole Miss
Whits is a scorer like Jones but a better shooter. “Terrico White eventually is going to be a good enough shooter that the coach is going to run plays to get him open,” Pendergraft said. DraftExpress knocks White’s aggressiveness: “For a player with such excellent physical tools, you would have liked to see him get to the rim or draw more fouls than he was able to at Ole Miss.”
MC
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Ken Strickland
June 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
DICTIONARY-During the 07/08 season with Denver Marcus Camby averaged 13.1RPG, 3.61BPG, was voted DEF player of the Yr. The Nuggets PPG allowed that yr was 107.0. Camby was traded in 08/09 and replaced by his backup, Nene’, who averaged 7.8RPG and 1.31BPG, and the Nuggets PPG allowed was reduced to 100.9PPG.
Prior to Camby being traded to the LA Clippers, their 07/08 PPG allowed was 101.1. But after acquiring him their PPG allowed increased to 103.9. After trading him to Portland, they reduced their PPG allowed to 102.1PPG. Portland’s PPG allowed before acquiring Camby was 94.1, and after acquiring him it was 94.8.
Like I said, his shot blocking ability has had little to no impact on the teams overall DEF. You need to look up the definition of the word STUPIDITY, you might find a picture of yourself. I hope it’s in color.
You can use multiple names to try and hide your identity, but you can’t hide your perpetual ignorance and low basketball IQ.
doc
June 23rd, 2010
12:17 pm
ramon i dont go out on a limb with too many personnel suggestions. though i dont know all the intricacies involved as nire and manny t do i know we are in a tight budget and that rules not personnel acquisitions. i have even argued moving josh if we can get a true center that can do some of the things al cant and move al to sf. in the mean time, until we find equal talent to move them for, i think they make a very good combo deep that ranks with some of the best at early and tender ages they are.
ramon, again al is not the problem, he was part of the solution as we went to a 38, 47 and 53 win team with him, unless you find someone better than him. i dont think we get there without him. shore up the perimeter defense then we might see what coaches see in al, an all star. you dont trade one of those without having a clear cut player that is better to equal. we do need an ample back up to him tat would maybe allow him to move to the four occasionally. just my simple thoughts.
doc
June 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm
meant pf not sf in comments above of course.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm
Big Ray, I’d go for trying to sign Brewer and Chandler or Haywood. And I would look towards the veterans minimum to add depth at the wing position (again I say Stackhouse, Finley, Carney). I actually think Utah would go for a sign and trade with Chills. A deal where they sign Brewer and send him to us, and we send back the rights to Chills. With this (I may have it wrong) but I think we would still have the Mid Level exception to sign a big like Chandler. If there’s a chance Chandler would take that to be reunited with the PG who gave him his best professional years, I would then check and see if Brad Miller would play for the veteran’s minimum. And here’s another name for backup C Fesenko.
Paul, Joe, Brewer, Josh, Chandler. …That line up would help Joe so much because Joe would be able to guard the other team’s WORST perimeter starter. This would allow Joe to have more energy on the offense and leave him more efficient.
Also the bench would still consist of Teague, Crawford, Brad Miller, Zaza, Morris, Evans, and Stackhouse or another swing.
I love the way Horford plays, but I would take this starting line up over the line up we had last season any day. Also with Paul’s health, that’s why I didn’t include Teague in the deal (and you still have Crawford also). You could really lead Paul into the season slowly at 31-33 minutes per game. Also, I may be wrong, but I think a couple of Paul’s injuries haven’t been related. Also remember Wade had an injured past, lol.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
Jss
The Orlando series didn’t show us anything! The Hawks never came out of the locker room!
The Celtics series showed us more than the Hawks! That is – How to beat the Magic!
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
Doc, I think we’re saying the same things in a lot of ways. I’m saying I don’t think Al is one of the problems either. And I wouldn’t trade him for anything short of a superstar. I wouldn’t even trade Al for Tim Duncan right now. But I would trade him for Paul. Paul gives the Hawks more of an assertive back court, and Paul sell tickets. I would love to see Josh and Horford stay together. Lol, the only trade proposal anyone has ever seen me include Horford in is for Chris Paul (of course I would trade him for Lebron, Durant, and Kobe but they’re not on the trade block).
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
12:35 pm
KenS
There is a lot of FIGHT in that dog! That’s why he will – KILL, all his enemies!
Starting with them P.C. Sleeper cells!
Let’s Go Ken!
O'Brien
June 23rd, 2010
12:36 pm
As MannyT mentioned on the other blog, the Hawks have always been reactive instead of proactive. And I think thats because they dont want to pay a penny more than they have to. However, I hope Larry Drew and Rick Sund have scheduled a meeting the week of July 1 to talk to JJ and his agent.
They need to try and sell JJ on LD’s system, and also to get a better feel on his contract demands. I dont want the Hawks to sit around and wait for JJ to make a decision, while other free agents come off the board.
N-Trigue
June 23rd, 2010
12:46 pm
MC if Joe Johnson leaves do you think the Hawks might go after Shannon Brown? No ones talkin about him when Kobe went down to injury he was a beast! He would fit nicely with our players! Also I would try and trade marvin and draft pick to Golden State for Brandon Wright the he could take Marvins spot or be Josh Smiths backup!
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:05 pm
To look at Camby’s career in which he has been recognized as a defensive presence is not to say Camby is the model by which the impact of a defensive center is to be measured. In logic your argument would be classified as a formal fallacy because although you have a legitimate form:
All A are B
All B are C
_________
All A are C
You have still have a weak argument
You imply
Camby is a defensive center and all defensive centers are like Camby
Defense Centers are none impacting and all defensive centers are like Camby
__________________________________________________________________
all defensive centers are like Camby.
Now granted that is a formal form but you conclusion doesnt support the premises. In fact Of the two teams that reached the finals,both had legitimate big men who were able to defend the rim and paint. The lakers had 3 bigs who posted multiple double double’s.Boston also has 3 players to post multiple double doubles.
This is unlike your first posting which the book on logic classifies as “ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIAM” – Appeal to ignorance.
Verbatim
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
1:05 pm
Garbage Cans!
Trading players are like -Trading garbage cans!
One man’s Trash – is – Another man’s Treasure!
Here’s my point: for all of the dreamers that live on a diet of cherries & whip cream?
Please STOP typing OUT -LOUD about your dumb azz trade dreams!
Quite frankly, I for one, am losing my “ZEAL!” to blog with you cats (and, you know who you are),
about trades and the upcoming NBA Draft!
Please, Stop offering, (what you perceive to be our trash?) – in exchange for LeBron James & ‘Nem.
Just, please stop it! Or, find yourself a seat at the Kid’s Blog Table.
IDK, try: My Space or maybe Face-Book?
About making a trade right now, I am disappointed that we have made no adjustments since
acquiring J-Quick, BTW, whom I just Love. Why didn’t we go for Corey Maggettie-sp?
Milwaukee, got him for a bag of basketballs. Don’t, we got basketballs?
We can NOT wait and see what Mr. Johnson is gonna do, much less LeBron!
‘Cauz I can tell you right now! He AIN’T …. IS NOT … WILL NEVER … Be coming here!
The Hawks need to run their business and stop running their fingers under his balls!
Sometimes the BEST trade is – the TRADE never made! Remember that too?
We need to trade for the sake of trading! It’s good practice and it keeps your GM skills, well – sharp!
You should constantly tweak your roster, at all times. We can’t play poker if our
Chips are all – untouchable? Make every Chip valuable … Improve every postion – constantly!
Let’s Go Hawks! Let’s Go!
“Up-Grade Your Self!”
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:09 pm
Jordan Crawford
“He is efficient in virtually every situation, and shouldered a heavy load for Xavier, but his inability to get to the foul line prevents him from standing out as much as he could”.
Sounds more like Joe Johnson, than it does Jamal .
The Truth
June 23rd, 2010
1:09 pm
The problem with you intellectual bloggers is your post makes way too much sense for Hawks-Management Inc. Anyway, as we ponder the usual conversation about how the Hawks can really use a center; can someone again explain way we past over acquiring Garrent Siler for peanuts to filled the roster out with Othello Hunter only to cut him for Mario West only to be stuck again without frontline help only to probably again pass-over drafting a serviceable center for over-seas players we never sign only to again acquire the leftover has-been (nobody wants) FA centers as was done last year? This is surely the perfect definition of insanity. But Hey why not? “One More Time For The Gipper”
rudy
June 23rd, 2010
1:14 pm
joe johnson is a wannabe superstar,check his postseason stats
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:16 pm
Verbatim continued;
” When the premises of an argument state that nothing has been proved one way or the other about something , then the conclusion make a definite assertion about that thing the argument commits an appeal to ignorance,(which is why I called you out for ignorance). The issue usually involves something that is incapable of being proved or something that has not yet been proven. Heres an example:
People have been trying for years to disprove the claims of astrology and no one has ever succeeded. There for we must conclude that the claims of astrology is true.
This is a fallacy and nothing has been proven one way or the other about astrology nor have did your first (or second for that matter) prove anything about the Defensive Centers based on your premise that Camby is a defensive center whose team did not win a championship.
My aligning you with ignorance was based upon the knowledge of logic not just to hurl insults at you.
In the famous words of Sherlock Holmes, You assume facts not in evidence.
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm
* nor did your first argument
hermdawg
June 23rd, 2010
1:26 pm
I think the Hawks should look into trading both of their picks this year and try and get a center, I don’t think it would be hard for them to accomplish this.
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm
Mr. Strickland . . you’re kind of fudging the truth about Camby.
First off . . he was traded because Denver’s payroll was out of control
2007 – 08 Nuggets payroll:
Iverson: 19 mill
K-Mart: 13.25 mill
Carmelo: 13 mill
Camby: 11.25 mill
Nene: 8.84 mill
Najera: 4.95 mill
Hunter: 3.25 mill
Atkins: 3 mill
JR Smith: 2.13 mill
Carter: 1.1 mill
Kleiza: 1 mill
Jones: .7 mill
Diawara: .7 mill
Green: .4 mill
Wilks: .16 mill
Total: roughly 82.73 million . . or 83 million in payroll
That’s main reason why he was traded . . . to reduce Denver’s luxury tax number.
That Denver team in 2007 – 08 was the 10th rated defense in the league, even though they were next to last in points giving up, with Camby almost exclusively playing center. Nene was hurt the vast majority of the year.
Denver’s run and gun offensive style saw them give up a ton of points even in games that they won. Camby was BY FAR the best defensive player on that team. That’s why he was named to the 1st team All-Defensive NBA team.
Camby was traded because they had the luxury to replace him with Nene in the middle. But you know what else they did? They went out and got an energy guy at PF to bring off the bench, in the form of Chris “Birdman” Anderson. He would go on and average 2.5 blks a game in 08 – 09, effectively compensating for some of the shotblocking that Camby took with him.
Camby goes to the Clippers, and once again, he’s BY FAR the best defensive player on the team. Kaman gets hurt, so he also has to play center again, with that “defensive rock” Zach Randolph playing alongside him. Even going into this year, the Clippers held on to him, even though they’d essentially drafted his replacement in Blake Griffin. When he got hurt, they kept Camby around, and Camby proceeded to lead that team in rebounding . . despite true center Chris Kaman finally being healthy.
Portland acquiring Camby saved their season, when they started to freefall almost out of the West playoff race. the Blazers went 18 – 8 after acquiring Camby. The Clippers, on the other hand, went on to only win 8 more games after they traded Camby.
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You talk like Camby had no defensive impact on those teams, when in fact, it was Camby who gave most of those teams any form of defense in the first place, with his shot blocking and his excellent rebounding. And rebounding is part of playing defense.
Camby would be an excellent piece to add to this team, with his ability to play both the 4 and the 5 on occasion. Defensively, he’s a better center than Horford. Offensively, Horford is better. And no, I wouldn’t trade Horford for Camby.
But don’t talk like Camby doesn’t have a defensive impact or his defense is overrated. No . . he just had garbage defensive players around him for most of his career. We could definitely use a player with Camby’s shot blocking and rebounding abilities especially.
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm
Ray, also to be found in the book on logic- ” the science that evaluate arguments” I found two classifications of you arguments.
1) Argument against a person-(Argumentum ad Hominen)
Your logic is ‘Truth Serum uses multiple monikers when he post and I dont like that. Therefore what he is saying is not a valid argument’. Ad hominen has 3 forms but the one you
use often is call ad hominem circumstantial- the respondent attempts to discredit the opponent’s argument by alluding to certain circumstances that affect the opponent whose argument should be base on this association rather that the evidence presented.
2) Argumentum ad Populum – appeal to the people… an attempt the get the listeners to accept a conclusion with out sound premise and related evidence.
Kind of like when Salinger called you out about “reaping what you sowed and facts on my argument, rather address the issues, you chose to appeal to Dmaryb and Doc for support and have yet to address the issues presented.
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm
What’s up with the blocked shots infactuation? Orlando has the best shot blocker in the league, but got swept by a team that we owned this year.
cdog
June 23rd, 2010
1:49 pm
all i’m hearing about are guards and small forwards.sign joe johnson, concentrate on becoming bigger and talented inside so they can beat orlando, cleveland, miami and chicago.milwaukee may jump past the hawks if some of their injured come back 100%. rick sund, i’m trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.i’m wondering do the hawks even care about winning the NBAtitle?
DICTIONARY
June 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
1:29 pm
The book on logic would call your last post (as well as most of your post), a sound and Valid argument. I dont always agree with you but your arguments are very valid/sound so there is very little I can say…..except I recognize.
JoJo the Godfather
June 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm
Well, looks like the Bucks jumped on my “scraps” for Maggette trade idea (I had proposed Bibby & Evans)….There are a few other players rumored to be available that could help the Hawks (Biedrins, Mo Williams, Jose Calderon, Andre Miller, Hinrich, Iguodala, etc…)….I would take that same package of Bibby & Evans and make a run at any of those 4 point guards, with Hinrich being my first choice….If no bites on a PG, I’d take Mo Evans & the 24th pick and see if Philly would send us Thaddeus Young or if New Orleans would send us Julian Wright. Both seem to have fallen out of favor with their teams, but offer a more immediate contribution than the other wings available at 24.
i_am_soulstar
June 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm
There’s much anger today in Blog-ville it seems.
tidog
June 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm
Because there are so many soft big men playing center teams can manage quite well without that big man presence. Sure there are opponent match ups that will burn ya i.e. Dwight Howard but he’s a matchup problem for 97% of the league. The wing and backcourt is were production is absolutely needed. Upgrade the play at those spots (thats what the addition of Jamal did this past year) and take off. Now with that being said draft Armon Johnson PG/SG Nevada.
terrell
June 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm
Jo Jo, Hinrich over Andre Miller?
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm
truthspitter:
I agree with a great deal if not all of what you say.
W-side may or may not be available.
However, for the sake of argument,
his mental capabililities have [let's say] come into question.
Otherwise,
he would never drop to 24.
truthspitter – open your mind to:
Tibor Pleiss & or Zoubek.
Both
are shooting up the draft lists / charts as we speak.
Both 7-1.
Both shooting ^ up, like a rocket.
Neither will be there when we pick in 2nd round.
If you want somebody you’d best pick ‘em while you have the chance.
Matt Dillon
June 23rd, 2010
2:03 pm
tidog
June 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm
Because there are so many soft big men playing center teams can manage quite well without that big man presence. Sure there are opponent match ups that will burn ya i.e.
– BLAB BLAH BLAB BLAH BLAB….power forwards playing center may help a run and gun team but if you are trying to win a title or go after a championship you better strap up in the the post if you plan on winning. We dont want to be just average …they cant stop us and we cant stop them.
Mediocrity and its students get the Broomstick come the second round of the playoffs.
tidog
June 23rd, 2010
2:03 pm
Zoubek sounds too much like Tabeet to me
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:05 pm
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:01 pm
hey post a link on your 2 bigs, Id like to know more.
JoJo the Godfather
June 23rd, 2010
2:06 pm
I view Hinrich as a superior defender to Miller and he can hit the 3.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:08 pm
UN-WINNABLE WARS!
If you ever find yourself in an UN-WINNABLE WAR?
Immediately develop an EXIT strategy & Get the Hell outa there!
President Obama just fired General McChrystal and appointed General Patreaus:
To lead the Free-World in War Time!
Leaders Lead & Every One else Follows!
Right now, The Lakers are leading and the question is: Who will knock them off?
If your draft and trade boards don’t address – How to BEAT LA?
Then, Why are you here?
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:12 pm
Trade our 24 to Washington for # 30 & 35.
Pick Pleiss @ 30 if OK City doesn’t get him @ 26.
Then pick Vasquez @ 35 if he is still on the board.
Zoubek = safety net pick, just in case.
Then you pay only 2nd round money.
Why am I [not] doing this -FOR- Pendercrap.
He don’t even enjoy his job.
* & I Love it !!!
We could throw in our # 2 pick to sweeten if necessary.
However, several teams are after bour #24 pick.
Washington & Charlotte to name two.
* source – *Sporting News Radio*
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:14 pm
* our -NOT- ”bour” *
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm
Soul_Star
Re: 153 PM Post:
“There is a lot of anger on the blog today).”
That’s called Testosterone! Or, is it – Progesterone?
I can’t tell?
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm
Bucks just supposedly made another move:
They trade their 2nd round pick to New Jersey . . for Chris Douglas-Roberts. Looks like they’re trying to replace Salmons with yet another scorer type.
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And as for this Chris Paul rumor . . how serious would the Hawks be in making a play for him? As noted on Hawksquawk, they could possibly do this deal for him.
1) Smoove + Teague + #24 . . for Chris Paul
or if New Orleans simply wants cap relief after next season
2) Crawford + Evans + Teague for Paul
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In the 1st deal, you give New Orleans a young active PF who can provide highlight reel play to team with Collison. You’d also give them another PG to backup Collison, which they would need anyway, if they traded Paul. And they could use the #24 to add whatever player they wanted to.
In the 2nd deal, they’d get at least 12.5 million off the books in the form of Crawford and Evans coming off the books after next season. Additional money could come off, if they don’t give a team option to Teague going into the 2011 – 12 season.
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm
tidog:
There couldn’t be two more completely different [5's]
on the planet.
I’ll share more in a few.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm
I wonder whether a Smoove and teague for paul is giving up too much.
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:31 pm
Now, if Obama will protect the Borders and Serve the American people the way he protects his political fabric we will be a better country.
dmaryb
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm
Northcyde, of those two deals, the 2nd would be more feasible on NO side. The reason I said Horford instead of Josh is Josh Smith and David West wouldn’t be able to play together. However, from their side Horford and David West or Horford and Okafor can play together. But I’d do the Josh for Chris Paul deal also.
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm
Knowledge Quest . . . Giving up too much? Too much for what? You’re adding a legit superstar to the team with that trade that could turn Al Horford into at least Carlos Boozer on offense. You’d take the ball out of JJ’s hands, allowing him more easy wide open looks. Even Marvin could potentially get better.
The only issue with a trade like that, is going out and finding a decent backup PF or C to possibly back up or even start in front of Zaza.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:39 pm
HATERS hate because – they AIN’T got ISH!
Haters hate because your piece of chicken is BIGGER than theirs.
Or, because your watermelon is seedless – and theirs is not.
We all want to hate and Beat L.A.! Why? Because, all they do is WIN!
Ask, the Celtics – If, you don’t believe me?
We all want LeBron or KOBE on our team. But, we have nothing, anybody wants in exchange.
Why is it – The Lakers and Celtics always get Lucky?
Because, Luck happens – when hard work meets opportunity!
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm
Ramon the Horford is a better option in my opinion
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm
Ramon . . it has to be Josh Smith, because the numbers have to match. He and Crawford are the only guys making enough money to make a trade like that work. Horford will only make 5.4 million next year.
Of course, I’d rather trade Crawford. But if we’re SERIOUS about going after Paul, you have to give up a piece to bring back a piece. A lot of people talk about how the “fans” need a superstar to bring into Atlanta . . well, there’s your superstar.
I’d doubt that Paul would be traded, so I’m not getting my hopes up. But if the Hawks are SERIOUS about going after a top level guy, Josh Smith is the guy that they’ll have to move in order to entice the other team to go for it.
Ramon
June 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm
Northcyde, Horford and Marvin would match Paul’s contract. And on NO side, Horford is more attractive to them than Josh, because of David West. Northcyde as I said, I would trade Josh Smith for Chris Paul too. But I think NO would demand Horford instead.
drmaryb
June 23rd, 2010
2:48 pm
Knowledge Quest
Did the Bush’s do that? If NOT, then who?
Knowledge Quest
June 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm
northcyde
June 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm
I see your points here. I was just thinking about the upside of Josh. the dude hangs out around triple double land, Plays a point forward and was named to the All Defensive team. I just believe in Defense.
Your position that Horford could be a boozer ….well , I dont think so.
I agree chris paul is a S.S. but he’s often injured and can be a ball hog. Id Love to have Chris but if we keep JJ and Crawford we arent exactly chop liver in the back court either. Id prefer to move either Al or Josh to shore up the man in the middle role. There are always tons of decent power forward but the premium is great for the Center.
How about this
Paul
JJ
Gay
Smoove
Amare
teague/bibby
moe evans
Joe Smith
Zaza
Siler
doc
June 23rd, 2010
2:53 pm
ramon i think the trade would leave cp with too few bullets. he has a huge contract so that means only the top tier money teams can afford him. isnt he in the 20 mil range? that leaves us with 40 mil to work with because we really only spent the cap minus the chills cover. in actual numbers we dont have much to work with and were probably ranked lower if actual salary spent were used rather than the number that includes the make believe number we “spend” on chills each year even though he is in greece.
Grandad
June 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm
What does that mean? My comment is awaiting Moderation?
Better hurry up KQ !!! blog gobbler might devour the links.
M.E. / Ph. died
* nc * & everyone else – be leery of CP’s knees.
Do you really think he’d be on the block if truly healthy?
MsDee
June 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm
Northcyde,
I wouldnt want to give up Teague in that trade..if CP3 gets hurt, and he will, Teague needs to have those mins…The second choice for me with Teague being replaced by Bibby.