Atlanta Hawks: What’s the deal with Chills?
The return of the 'fro?
The buzz out of Greece is that Josh Childress might not be long for Olympiakos due to money issues. AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz wonders where Chills would fit in with the Hawks.
I’m still not sure Chills would be down for playing for the Hawks. From what I’ve been able to gather, he does want to return to the NBA but would rather sign an offer sheet with another team that the Hawks would be unable to match. That suggests that his hard feelings for the Hawks are more than just about Woody. Of course, Chills might get over that in a minute if he wants back in the league and Atlanta’s $4.8 million qualifying offer is the only deal he can secure (the Hawks hadn’t yet extended the offer as of last week but Rick Sund has said they will).
But Chills should have some NBA value after a strong season in Greece. No doubt he and his representatives (apparently he has a new agent) will be watching the J.J. situation closely. Their hope would be that if the Hawks spend a lot of cash to lock up J.J. they then wouldn’t have the stomach to match a Chills offer sheet that includes a long-term contract. If Chills can’t get an offer sheet and still wants to play in the league but not for Atlanta, the other option would be a sign-and-trade, but then that complicates the whole issue.
Chills may end up back in the NBA, but right now I doubt it would be with the Hawks. All of that can change quickly in what’s shaping up to be a crazy NBA summer.
MC
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Sautee
June 22nd, 2010
9:54 am
Fundamentals,
Not being a smart ass, but do you have a source for saying: “When no one really made an offer they both got offended and took it out on the Hawks.” ?
I have never seen that in print, which is why I asked if you knew either of them personally. I’m not trying to defend anyone, but to find out what actually happened.
If you are just ASSUMING that they got offended, then you are possibly doing them a disservice. If you KNOW, please send a link.
O'Brien
June 22nd, 2010
10:03 am
Ramon,
I don’t think the Hornets would trade CP3 just to get rid of Okafor. If they do trade him, I think they will want more in return than Horford (Marvin and Bibby are just average). Plus other teams in the league will have better offers than the Hawks.
I think the Hornets would prefer to trade Okafor and Collison, but keep CP3. Are you interested in that deal? Okafor and Collison for Bibby and Marvin maybe?
I would still pass on that deal though, because Okafor’s contract is horrible, and I don’t want to pay him that much money to be a bench player for us (I am not starting him over Horford).
Fundamentals,
If I’m not mistaken, Sund said other teams made offers for Chills (in the form of sign and trade), but Sund said none of them were of good value to the Hawks, so he passed. Chills was mad because the Hawks never made him an offer, even after Josh Smith was signed.
Sautee
June 22nd, 2010
10:11 am
Ramon,
Doesn’t make me mad at all.
Interesting idea, but I’m a little leery of two things:
Emeka’s rebounding went down from 10.1 in 08-09 to 9.0 in 09-10. That’s a pretty big drop. Is he starting to lose his legs?
And of course CP3’s injury problems.
But, assuming a healthy CP, I can see the possibilities. But what I DON’T see is the ASG taking on Emeka’s contract when Al is still on his rookie contract.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
11:01 am
O’Brien, Al Horford is the only All Star that NO could get for Paul. NO are listening to offers from the Knicks, New Jersey, and two other teams. We both know New York and Jersey have no player on their team who is better than Horford. I would take Okafor and Collison for Bibby and Marvin. But I would only do that deal if I knew for certain that Chills was going to sign.
Sautee, they could substitute Peja for Okafor then. Paul and Peja for Horford, Bibby, Marvin, and Evans. Of course Peja is on his last legs, and making $15 mil a season, but he’s in the last year of his contract (and NO does want to rid themselves of that contract). Imagine being able to have a lineup of Paul, Joe, Chills, Josh, (Haywood-Chandler-Shaq?) with Crawford still coming off the bench, and Peja as the deadly shooter they’ve wanted for years. That is a team that challenges any one who they play in the second round. And the best part about it is on that roster you’d have over $25 mil coming off the books at the end of the season with Crawford and Peja’s contracts expiring. And also that roster will be a lot more marketable, and end up saving the team money over the next season.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
11:03 am
Also @ Sautee, notice I didn’t include Teague in the deal, so he could still get a good 18-21 minutes a game, and help keep Paul’s minutes down through out the seasons.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
11:04 am
The NBA is becoming a lot like the NFL in regards to, now you have to have TWO high quality PGs to compete. In the Finals, often the team who got the most production out of their combined 2 PGs was the team who won each game.
Sautee
June 22nd, 2010
11:46 am
Ramon,
Taking Okafor out means that we take a BIG chance that we could fill the Center spot with a FA or a trade. I personally wouldn’t give up Horford without assurance that we had another quality starting Center. After all, Al DID make the All-Star team last year.
I guess I don’t value CP3 as much as you do. I’m not sure he’d be worth THREE of last year’s starters plus our 8th man. (and yes, two of those are overvalued) AND taking on Peja’s contract.
richbrave
June 22nd, 2010
11:51 am
richbrave
June 22nd, 2010
11:18 am
MIKE MILLER has just made it crystal clear that he will not return to the locker-room festivities at the phone booth. Do the HAWKS need an experienced 2-3 combo player who’s a facilitator, and has a solid outside shot? He’s on the market.
We’ve been kicking this around over a BIG RAY’s. And thoughts here. BTW, new WIZARDS owner TED LEONSIS has been taking in a lot of b-ball in GREECE most recently and said so in his rambling intro last week. He wants to trade up for somebody in the 18-22 bracket. Of course, it’s a state secret. If that particular player is still on the board at #24 don’t bee surprised to see GRUNFELD and SUND in the phones trying to work a deal for the #24 and CHILLS for the #30, #35, JOSH HOWARD, and……..money? They sure don’t have any other players or picks to offer. They only have five 2010-11 players under contract at the moment
GeeMack
June 22nd, 2010
12:00 pm
Based on the comment on this site you would think Chills was the 2nd coming of Pippen.
We can change the offensive system all we won’t, but players make systems. That’s one thing the Hawks lack..players.
i_am_soulstar
June 22nd, 2010
12:19 pm
Ramon,
Decent trade proposal, but no way they give up Al while he’s still earning rookie pay. All-stars and high-efficiency players playing on rookie contracts are the best bargain in the league. They’d give up Josh first if the trade went down, current salaries considered.
Rod from College Park
June 22nd, 2010
12:23 pm
The Truth,
“Some blogs ago I responded to Rod with stat numbers between Marvin and Chills. Surprisingly, even after taking into account Marvin struggles this past season, Chills overall stats numbers (as an NBA player) were not much better then Marvin, so this notion that if Chills was playing for the Hawk again, he would automatically be an upgrade SG starter may be wishful thinking. The numbers don’t lie, at the end of the day, Chills has proven to be no more then a serviceable role player but with a JJ like ego.”
Not sure what stats you provided, but the stats do say that they are very comparable players. Chills career averages, are better than Marvin’s in every category except FT% .79 to .80, and ppg 11.1 to 11.9. For a career he shot 52% to Marvin’s 45% and in 3 point percentage he shot 36% to MArvin’s 30%. He is a much better defensive player, he can guard 3 or 4 positions, has a much higher basketball IQ, and is a much better finisher at the rim. Again, I don’t see Jennings and Nelson, blowing by Chills, like they did everyone else on our team in the playoffs. He also was not clumsy, would rarely get his shot blocked by smaller players, and could post and take advantage of mismathes. These are all things Marvin can’t do. So how is his ego big like JJ’s if he thought he deserved more money than the Hawks offered? If the Hawks felt like Marvin deserved 8mill per, why should Chills value be less when he is obviously the better player by stats, and by looking at him when he plays? No one is saying Chills is a great player, but he is a better, more versatile, smarter, more agressive option than Marvin. Marvin obviously has the better agent, because he folled the Hawks twice.
Rod from College Park
June 22nd, 2010
12:25 pm
Mismatches, fooled
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
12:38 pm
HORFORD and MARVIN for PAUL i make that trade 2 day.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
June 22nd, 2010
12:48 pm
Any Kevin Seraphin fans on here? From the Milwaukee journal online;
The Bucks were expected to meet with French center Kevin Seraphin Monday, but changed their plans. Seraphin had flown from Toronto to Chicago and was then going to Milwaukee. When he was informed the Bucks felt it wasn’t necessary to meet with him, Seraphin took a flight to Atlanta and met with Hawks officials.
Ramon,
For N.O. to trade CP3, arguably a top 5 PG, and the face of their franchise, I think they will have to be blown away with a trade offer. I dont think them getting Horford and giving up Okafor is being ‘blown away’.
Co-signing
June 22nd, 2010
1:04 pm
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
12:38 pm
HORFORD and MARVIN for PAUL i make that trade 2 day.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
June 22nd, 2010
1:22 pm
“TEAGUE and JAMAL for CHRIS PAUL, with jamal expiring contract the trade might work.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!”
I think the IQ of everyone who read this dropped by 10 points.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 22nd, 2010
1:24 pm
“Any Kevin Seraphin fans on here?”
If I’m not mistaken, Seraphin decided to stay in Europe about a week ago. Maybe he changed his mind, but I didn’t hear about it.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
1:29 pm
@ Najeh, lol…. my trade proposal did have some room to debate and logical sense. lol
@ O’Brien, you don’t think NO would want a young big who can play PF or C, who’s already an all star even though he hasn’t peaked. And also there are a lot rumors that Paul has told management he would prefer to be traded. Right now, I’m just doing the only thing Hawks fan can do with ASG and that’s dream, lol.
Co-signing
June 22nd, 2010
1:34 pm
O’Brien, Al Horford is the only All Star that NO could get for Paul. NO are listening to offers from the Knicks, New Jersey, and two other teams. We both know New York and Jersey have no player on their team who is better than Horford. I would take Okafor and Collison for Bibby and Marvin.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm
Those of you throwing around CP3 trade scenarios need to understand something — Hornets owner George Shinn is looking to sell the team. How much value do you think he is going to get for them if he trades their only superstar player, their only guy who sells tickets and merchandise?
I have thrown around CP3 trade scenarios before, but all of that a) involved Joe Johnson going to New Orleans, b) involved the Hawks taking back one of the Hornets’ atrocious contracts, and c) was discussed by me before the Hornets went up for sale. Right now there is next to no chance CP3 gets traded, and certainly not for anything the Hawks can give them in return.
Now Darren Collison, on the other hand, is a viable trade target provided the Hawks can take back one of the Hornets’ bad contracts at the same time.
Co-signing
June 22nd, 2010
1:36 pm
For N.O. to trade CP3, arguably a top 5 PG, and the face of their franchise, I think they will have to be blown away with a trade offer. I dont think them getting Horford and giving up Okafor is being ‘blown away’.
Not Co-signing
June 22nd, 2010
1:37 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
June 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
1:41 pm
@ Najeh, NO would be much easier to sell without Paul and Peja (or Okafor) than they would be with Paul, Peja, and Okafor.
Grandad
June 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm
richbrave:
What about:
Childress (S&T) + 24 to Washington
Hawks get
McGee + 30 & or 35
We, the Hawks (our Josh), don’t need any part of Josh ”ditchweed” Howard.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
2:01 pm
@ Grandad, I’d do that deal now.
Big Ray
June 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm
I smell a Horford hater…oh wait, we all know who it is…
Big Ray
June 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm
Grandad ,
I’m all over that trade. Nice suggestion. By the way, I saw you defending the “Hatter” the other day. Hilarious. You’re a good man to do stuff like that. After all, people shouldn’t really pick on the mentally handicapped…
i_am_soulstar
June 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm
Grandad,
I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree.
Trading a 2nd tier role player and a medium to low draft pick for a 3rd tier role player and an even lower draft pick??? I’m sure we can get more for Childress than that. Let’s not hustle backwards.
i_am_soulstar
June 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm
I don’t think it’s a bad trade, i just think we can do much better.
Fundamentals
June 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm
Ramon & Sautee
I can’t say I’m anal enough to book links from ages back to document that the two Josh’s had their feelings hurt two summers ago. Give me a break. Were you around then? I don’t think I’m doing them any disservice. They were both grumpy that whole summer and pouted when the big money offers didn’t show. Chills waited on someone to kiss his…well last summer and didn’t come over. He’s proven he’s all about the money and pride.
Chills went to Greece with a chip on his shoulder and now we’re contemplating his return? I’d love to have him back, but he’s gotta be 100% committed to Drew’s team
Same for Joe
Same for every player. We need them working hard to make our team as good as it can be or step aside and let folks get to work.
JoJo the Godfather
June 22nd, 2010
2:49 pm
I’m pretty sure that Childress can not be signed and traded before July 8th….As far as the CP3 trades, the teams that were mentioned as interested can all offer something the Hawks can’t, immediate cap space. Since teams like New York & New Jersey are under the cap, they don’t have to match up salaries with New Orleans. New Jersey can send Devin Harris & the 3rd pick in the draft if they want to.
Melvin
June 22nd, 2010
2:50 pm
Stephen Smith on 790. We may need to really consider life without Joe. However I’m tired of hearing all this talk about Lebron, Amare, Joe, Bosh, etc. I think they all are drama queens. We never saw the past great players hold their teams’ hostage by threaten not to re-sign with them. If Joe wants to be here, than man up and say you want to be here or at least something similar to what DWade has been saying about the Heat “his preference is to sign with the Heat but they need to get him some help”. But then again, I should expect that out of Joe who wants Batman money but acts like robin.
http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1345
The Whole Hawkchilada
June 22nd, 2010
2:53 pm
MC:
What with all the fretting about the depth of this draft and whether the Hawks will be able to draft someone who can contribute, I wonder what is going on with Garret Siler? He was supposedly close but raw last year. Is he a possibility to join the roster this year? They don’t come much bigger than him…
Melvin
June 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm
Fundamentals,
You say that Chills and Smoove was disgruntle for having to wait around for there money but my question to you is why should they have to wait? Hawks could have started negotiatation on their contracts July 1 (or prior to) but instead they told both of them to go find a better offer in which they did. Lucky for Hawks fans, they were able to match one but look like a fool b/c the Greek offer blindsided them.
jroc
June 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm
Blaw bleeeeee poieju askfajf’ oasot’aag Excuse me i just had a stroke reading some of these trade proposals! Oh no hear it comes again! asfj geeee fkkk allleor alsdf ty Hhheeeeeeeeeeelllllppppp!!!!
O'Brien
June 22nd, 2010
3:28 pm
If I’m JJ, I’m hoping the Bulls make a strong offer.
When JJ came to the Hawks, he said Woody was one of the reasons why he came. Woody was a defensive assistant who worked under LB, and helped the Pistons win a title.
In Chicago, the new coach is Thibodeau, who was one of (if not the) best defensive assistants in the league. He coached under JVG and Doc Rivers, and he has a championship ring with another finals appearance. I can see JJ wanting to play for him.
Plus the Bulls have a PG who is on his way to being a top 5 PG. And the Bulls are not currently looking for investors to help offset their losses. Plus JJ would get more love from the Bulls fans.
Not to mention the fact that the Bulls can sign one big name FA and SNT for another.
Michael Cunningham
June 22nd, 2010
3:31 pm
@ Whole Hawkchilada: i think the Hawks would like to get Siler on their their summer league roster. stay tuned. . . .
Sautee
June 22nd, 2010
3:35 pm
Fundamentals,
If YOU want to rewrite history, go ahead and try. But you can expect some blow back if you fail to provide a source. Yes, I was there for that summer and many before. I have NO memory of any story about their dissatisfaction until well after Chills was in Greece.
But the least you could do is say “IMO”, or “as I remember”, or something. When you say it as if it’s fact, expect folks to hold your feet to the fire.
You said: “They were both grumpy that whole summer and pouted when the big money offers didn’t show.”
I say B.S. Can you SHOW us where you “found out” that they were grumpy and pouting?
If you don’t want to back your claim up, then just back off your claim and say it’s your opinion. Simple as that.
Otherwise on a sports blog, expect to be accosted for lack of proof.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
3:41 pm
Melvin, actually you’re wrong to some degree. The 2nd time MJ retired it was after he saw that the Bulls wouldn’t re-sign Phil, Scottie, nor Dennis Rodman for a longer term, and that was with $35 mil on the table for him. And it doesn’t get any past greater than MJ.
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
3:45 pm
The Innocence Project
Sautee says, “Innocent until Proven Guilty.”. But, you have got to PROVE it!
-sniggles-
Walker
June 22nd, 2010
3:51 pm
@Prestoni
“No rebounds, no sex…”
That was classic. One of the best quotes I’ve ever read on an AJC blog.
terrell
June 22nd, 2010
4:02 pm
CP3 on the trading block?
Rufus1
June 22nd, 2010
4:10 pm
O,Brian…I am a Kevin Seraphin fan.
I think he is a bigger(260lb)version of Favors, but with a little more offensive polish. If he is available at #24, he would be a steal.
terrell
June 22nd, 2010
4:19 pm
Hornets cutting payroll. How bout Jamal(expiring),Bibby(expires next year), and #24 for Paul?
Fundamentals
June 22nd, 2010
5:06 pm
Sautee has a burr in his bonnett today?
I thought most all these blogs were based on opinion. If I document a “story” in print or on the web it’s still a writer “documenting” his or her opinion. Do you really believe everything you read in the paper. YES IT’S MY OPINION, and I’m entitled to it. From here forward all readers know that I am stating my own thoughts an opinion on the blog. I don’t have the time, patience or audacity to cite every source of my opinion. Take if for what it’s worth or scroll.
IMO – Both Josh’s had a chip, both still need it knocked off, and both need to get to work to make this team better or request to be traded to somewhere else for someone who will. Satisfied? That’s my opinion!
IMO we rushed out and signed Bibby, Marvin and ZaZa too fast for too much last year and now IMO we’re all whining about the consequences. We need Joe, but at what price and how committed is he to working 100% for coach Drew’s team? That’s my opinion and question of Joe.
So far we have no “documented” stories on what folks are doing this summer. Can we get a real report from MC on how the kids are working hard this summer to make our team better. Outside of Teague, Gladyr and our pick in summer league we got nothing so far.
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
5:11 pm
Fundamentals, most veterans don’t start training for the next season until after the Fourth of July. Most NBA players take a 4-6 week minimum break before truly starting to go full speed for next season. So right now, it will be hard for MC to get a story on off season conditioning, when most of them haven’t started. Majority of the players working out now are either first to third year players, or players coming off injury and rehabbing for next season.
Fundamentals
June 22nd, 2010
5:15 pm
Melvin – I’m not providing justification on how they treated the Josh’s that summer. The Hawks IMO decided to let the market set the price. Chills blindsided us with the Greek offer. It was a new thing and unexpected. We got Smoove at a bargain due to a lack of offers from other teams compared to IMO what he wanted. The reverse happened the next summer as we set offers and nobody competed and thus we gripe IMO about high salaries for three players. I’m not a GM, I don’t really know my stuff, it’s just my unqualified, uncited, unjustified opinion. Without Greece in the equation we would’ve gotten both players for what we wanted to offer b/c no other teams proved to offer enough IMO for our GM to jump on it. I’m probably wrong on all that. Ask Sautee, you’ll be sure to have FACTs and citations for every comment…what a Jerk (Sautee). I’m done ranting. Back to building up Hawksville tomorrow. No hard feelings to any and all. I just want the best Hawks team possible. I think we all do. I’m looking forward to Thursday.
Any thoughts on the 7′ Jordan they talked about from Jamaica? If available would he be a good post defender and rebounder?
Fundamentals
June 22nd, 2010
5:18 pm
Ramon,
If you were Marvin would you not have a plan on where you’re going, what you’re working on and who you’re working with? If each player doesn’t have ideas by now we’re doomed. I don’t make 7.5 mills and I know what I’ll be doing clear into next year.
How do you line up key trainers or programs w/o planning well in advance? I’d be lining that up b/f I took off to rest. If I laid and egg like Marvin I’d consider not taking a few weeks off this summer. We needed him then desperately…and that’ll only be more important next year. He’s critical to our success!
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
5:30 pm
Fundamentals, I’m hoping Marvin attempts to work out in Chicago with Tim Grover. Something about Marvin just seems like his balance is off. And Grover is a magician in the world of physical trainers.
Truth-Serum
June 22nd, 2010
5:45 pm
Big Ray
June 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm
LOL- Gee Blue Ray, Thanks You did indeed make me smile. I dont know what provoked you to turn your attention to me and “sow discord among brotheren ” I understand hat-en is a full time job but Blue Ray, I wont tell anybody to hate on you, I wont get made if you have a mutual respected blog buddy agree with your view. Ray!
What? Its not about my position? I was told that type of hat-en was referred to a bbitching. Why you BBitching?
How big of you? who’d a thuk it ?
Big, Real Big Ray!
Ive learn a long time ago let your haters be your motivators…..
Have a nice day.