Atlanta Hawks: What’s the deal with Chills?
The return of the 'fro?
The buzz out of Greece is that Josh Childress might not be long for Olympiakos due to money issues. AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz wonders where Chills would fit in with the Hawks.
I’m still not sure Chills would be down for playing for the Hawks. From what I’ve been able to gather, he does want to return to the NBA but would rather sign an offer sheet with another team that the Hawks would be unable to match. That suggests that his hard feelings for the Hawks are more than just about Woody. Of course, Chills might get over that in a minute if he wants back in the league and Atlanta’s $4.8 million qualifying offer is the only deal he can secure (the Hawks hadn’t yet extended the offer as of last week but Rick Sund has said they will).
But Chills should have some NBA value after a strong season in Greece. No doubt he and his representatives (apparently he has a new agent) will be watching the J.J. situation closely. Their hope would be that if the Hawks spend a lot of cash to lock up J.J. they then wouldn’t have the stomach to match a Chills offer sheet that includes a long-term contract. If Chills can’t get an offer sheet and still wants to play in the league but not for Atlanta, the other option would be a sign-and-trade, but then that complicates the whole issue.
Chills may end up back in the NBA, but right now I doubt it would be with the Hawks. All of that can change quickly in what’s shaping up to be a crazy NBA summer.
MC
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FORMER BUBBAA CREW MEMBER
June 21st, 2010
6:25 pm
“That suggests that his hard feelings for the Hawks are more than just about Woody.”
FIRE WOODSON! HOW DARE HE WIN 53 GAMES AND TAKE THE HAWKS UP EVERY SEASON. HOW DARE HE GET US A 3RD SEED. A MAN WINNING WITHOUT A CENTER
FIRE WOODSON.
YOU ARE VERY SMART AND I UNDERSTAND CHILL!
GOOD LUCK CHILLS DONT COME TO THE IGNORANT AZZZZ TEAM
Michael Cunningham
June 21st, 2010
6:28 pm
@doc: “why dont you think they used the mle last year mc when they knew they were to be a very competitive team? what was the info you heard in miami? was it a surprise to you they didnt from your beach location, or did you not think the team was relevant going into the season lat year?”
good, interesting question, because when i got here i was surprised the Hawks hadn’t used their MLE. pretty much all teams that consider themselves serious contenders do so, especially if it doesn’t put them in the tax.
Michael Cunningham
June 21st, 2010
6:29 pm
@ Apollo: “Also, to the writer of the article, the club’s name is spelled Olympiacos in English, not Olympiakos.”
AJC style is to keep it as Olympiakos.
The Truth
June 21st, 2010
6:33 pm
I see that the saying “absence makes the heart grow fonder” applies also to Chills as well. Some blogs ago I responded to Rod with stat numbers between Marvin and Chills. Surprisingly, even after taking into account Marvin struggles this past season, Chills overall stats numbers (as an NBA player) were not much better then Marvin, so this notion that if Chills was playing for the Hawk again, he would automatically be an upgrade SG starter may be wishful thinking. The numbers don’t lie, at the end of the day, Chills has proven to be no more then a serviceable role player but with a JJ like ego. If he was such a hot commodity as he thinks he is; he would have easily secured an NBA trading partner by now to get paid the dollars he seek. He keeps extending his Greece contract because apparently he can’t find a suitable NBA deal beyond the Hawks projected offer that he likes.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 21st, 2010
6:38 pm
“I never knew there were two schools of thought on the matter. Maybe I’ll use “ice to an Eskimo” next time.”
Heh… watch JayZ use that on Blueprint 4.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 21st, 2010
6:44 pm
“Surprisingly, even after taking into account Marvin struggles this past season, Chills overall stats numbers (as an NBA player) were not much better then Marvin, so this notion that if Chills was playing for the Hawk again, he would automatically be an upgrade SG starter may be wishful thinking. ”
Stats don’t tell the whole story. I don’t deny that in the NBA Chills’ ceiling is nothing more than a very good role player, but simply comparing his production to Marvin’s doesn’t do him justice. The fact is, regardless of whether Marvin or Chills is this team’s SF, neither one is going to be a go-to scoring option, which then means we have to look at which one is better at doing the little things that define a good role player — such as scrambling for loose balls, getting putbacks and offensive rebounds, spacing the floor and knocking down open rhythm shots, and playing solid defense both on and off the ball. Marvin’s ceiling as a scorer is higher than Chills, but he is certainly not better than Chills at any of those things.
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
6:50 pm
Chills is definitely pissed at Sund. Sund gave him the cold shoulder and Chills said so on the radio
Ken Strickland
June 21st, 2010
7:03 pm
Other than resigning JJ, and possibly Chills to a one yr deal, I don’t see us doing anything else, except filling out the roster with minimum cost players. Marvin, or Chills, Zaza, Crawford, Bibby and possibly Evans, if he’s not traded, will be the core of our bench.
I see LDrew having the Hawks running and attacking, while forcing bigger teams like the Lakers, Magic and Cavaliers to try and match our speed, quickness and athleticism. We’ll be the Phoenix Suns of the East, only quicker, faster, and more athletic, but with a commitment to playing DEF.
Since money is an issue, we can’t afford to load up on over priced past their prime vets and lose sight of the need to resign AHorford, and possibly JCrawford. However, since the contracts of Crawford and MEvans expire after this season, and Bibby’s contract will be tradeable then, we should be able to resign Horford without breaking the bank.
BIG RAY-I’m with you on wanting to see JJ in motion and coming off screens. In fact, JJ, JCrawford, MBibby, MWilliams and MEvans are all good shooters coming off screens. If LDrew’s OFF system is everything he says it is, we could be in for some very exciting Hawks basketball. Even with Woodson’s limited half court OFF, we still managed to score over 101PPG. With a more fluid OFF that attacks the basket and involves everyone, rather than relying primarily on jump shooting and ISO’s, we should improve upon that PPG average. And with us going back to playing a more traditional DEF, we should be able to improve on our overall DEF, rebounding and PPG allowed.
PRESTONI
June 21st, 2010
7:15 pm
I was wondering why there is no mention of Bob Williams being named Hawks President–I saw this while watching NBA TV; it is in the NBA Notes. I cannot believe that this is being overlooked by the AJC (I do view Michael Cunningham as a good writer and I expected some conversation on this development). Who is Bob Williams and will he be making Basketball Decisions or just Financial Ones; will he take Authority away from Rick Sund; will he be the one to talk to instead of Michael Gearon, Jr. and could he possibly be the Father of Marvin Williams??? Hopefully someone knows the Answers to this Hidden Development. Also in watching the Laker Victory Parade–they discussed Free Agents on Fox Sports West after the Parade. When it came to Joe Johnson,
Norm Nixon (who is also an Agent) said he is DEFINITELY GONE from Atlanta–it was the way he said it that makes me think he already knows something (so take that for what it is worth). Hopefully the Hawks can at least get a Sign and Trade Deal out of this. As far as my thoughts on Josh Childress–in the Games I saw on NBA TV he seemed to not aggressively seek the action & I was disappointed. Once again I hope the Hawks at least receive Something for Childress. The Hawks could have really been an Elite Team by now, but Billy Knight really made alot of Horrific Decisions and was Stubborn in doing so. Probably given the Choice of the Lady or the Tiger, he would defiantly choose the Tiger and be eaten alive like he was with all of his Draft Moves. I sure hope the Hawks have some Master Plan in place, because it appears we will need one just to survive. I really had never heard Larry Drew talk before his Press Conference and I do have NBA League Pass. Drew certainly does not rub me the wrong way like Mike Woodson did, so I wish him well. Seems like the only way to increase the Hawk Fan Base and to get the Players to listen would be to hire Megan Fox and Jessica Alba as Assistant Coaches (I did get to meet them in person and they will hold Your Attention)–No Rebounds, No Sex coming from them would make you Run through Any Wall. Seems like things are really going to get Crazy–what’s next, Mario West calling a Meeting of the Top Tier Free Agents for an impactful 10 Second Conference. Still through it all, I firmly believe that there are always Moves a Team can make to improve themselves (and that includes Draft Moves)–so hopefully the Hawks will be pro-active this time around.
Michael Cunningham
June 21st, 2010
7:25 pm
@ Prestoni: funny stuff . . .
“I was wondering why there is no mention of Bob Williams being named Hawks President–I saw this while watching NBA TV; it is in the NBA Notes. I cannot believe that this is being overlooked by the AJC (I do view Michael Cunningham as a good writer and I expected some conversation on this development). Who is Bob Williams and will he be making Basketball Decisions or just Financial Ones; will he take Authority away from Rick Sund; will he be the one to talk to instead of Michael Gearon, Jr. and could he possibly be the Father of Marvin Williams???”
Williams’ hiring was included in the story about ASG saying they aren’t selling the Hawks. he is on the business side and, as far as i know, he is not Marvin’s father. from the Hawks release: “Williams will have oversight of all Hawks business operations and all Philips Arena business operations, and will share oversight of all Atlanta Spirit shared services with Don Waddell who is President, Atlanta Thrashers, and Executive Vice President, Atlanta Spirit LLC.”
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
7:34 pm
How does our ownership group consist of more people than any other (I believe), yet they are the poorest & brokest?
Melvin
June 21st, 2010
7:41 pm
NBA.com breakdown the Hawks…
http://www.nba.com/draft2010/teams/atl/
just my opinion
June 21st, 2010
7:47 pm
chillis is indeed angry over the woodson firing. He like JJ and Josh and Bibby and Marvin Love to play for Woodson, a players coach.
PRESTONI
June 21st, 2010
7:52 pm
Michael Cunningham–Thanks for answering My Question about the mysterious BOB WILLIAMS-based on what was written, it doesn’t appear he will have a meaningful role in Basketball Decisions.
In case you’re wondering about me–I have over a 50 Year Vested Interest in the Hawks. I hope everyone here gets to experience the Total Joy I felt when the Hawks won the NBA Title in 1958. I did make a Deal with the Devil–saying he could take me if the Hawks ever Won Another Championship. Since the Devil (not knowing the Hawks) accepted My Deal, I guess the way things are going this gives me Immortality. At any rate, I do appreciate Everyone on this or Any Hawks Blog–at one point (before the Internet) I thought I was alone.
J. cochran
June 21st, 2010
7:54 pm
2009-10 Record: 53-29
Second place, Southeast Division
Lost in conference semifinals to Orlando
DRAFT PICKS:
Round 1:
#24
Round 2:
#53
Draft History
2009 2008 2007 2006 2005
19. Jeff Teague No picks 3. Al Horford 5. Shelden Williams 2. Marvin Williams
49. Sergiy Gladyr 11. Acie Law 33. Solomon Jones 31. Salim Stoudamire
59. Cenk Akyol
Offense:
101.7, 12th
Defense:
97.0, ninth
Returning players:
F Josh Smith
C Al Horford
F Marvin Williams
C Zaza Pachulia
G Jamal Crawford
G Mike Bibby
G Maurice Evans
G Jeff Teague
Free agents:
G Joe Johnson (unrestricted)
F Joe Smith (unrestricted)
C Jason Collins (unrestricted)
F Randolph Morris (unrestricted)
Areas of strength:
Some teams would love a solid power forward. The Hawks have two. And they both start. Only problem is Al Horford is on the floor masquerading as a center. Horford cracked the All-Star lineup this year and is usually good for a double-double, and in the right scenario would blossom as a 6-10 power forward. But that’s also where Josh Smith toils, and he has grown steadily the last 3 seasons, maturing as a defender and inside scorer.
J. cochran
June 21st, 2010
7:55 pm
Enter your commFree agents:
G Joe Johnson (unrestricted)
F Joe Smith (unrestricted)
C Jason Collins (unrestricted)
F Randolph Morris (unrestricted)
Areas of strength:
Some teams would love a solid power forward. The Hawks have two. And they both start. Only problem is Al Horford is on the floor masquerading as a center. Horford cracked the All-Star lineup this year and is usually good for a double-double, and in the right scenario would blossom as a 6-10 power forward. But that’s also where Josh Smith toils, and he has grown steadily the last 3 seasons, maturing as a defender and inside scorer.ents here
Ken Strickland
June 21st, 2010
8:18 pm
MCUNNINGHAM-could it be that the ASG took into account Woodson’s reluctance to expand his bench rotation and decided to save money, rather than using the MLE on a player that wasn’t going to be used much anyway.
Sautee
June 21st, 2010
8:32 pm
Fundementals, and dap01,
about this:
“I’ll agree that year we left our FA hung out for offers. They both got mad when no real offers came. Both Josh’s thought they were worth alot more than they got offered from the Hawks, but nobody else really offered at the time so who’s to blame? No one I guess in actuality.”
OK, guys, let’s not rewrite history. First, the Hawks announced long and loudly that they would match any offer to the Joshes. So THAT immediately cut some offers.
Also, Chills NEVER got a formal offer from the Hawks until AFTER the Olympiakos offer. What evidence can you offer to show that both Joshes “thought they were worth a whole lot more than the Hawks offered”?
Do you know them personally and they told you that? I never saw any story that summer about their dissatisfaction with Hawks offers. Obviously J. Smith and his agent wanted to test the free agent waters. And J. Childress was never offered ANYTHING until Olympiakos hit him up. THAT was his source of his ill will against the Hawks. At least Smith had an offer from the previous year.
Sautee
June 21st, 2010
8:37 pm
Najeh,
Ever heard this one?
“That man’s so dumb you could sell him pine straw in South Georgia”
dap01
June 21st, 2010
9:01 pm
This adds nothing to the conversation, but the Hawks have only three players to show for the past 5 drafts.
It is a shame that the rebuilding process that I have followed for years was handled as poorly as possible.
If I recall correctly, the Hawks did not even work out Sheldon (number 5 pick) . They picked Childdress at #6 and he did not even get an offer when he was a FA
Blast
June 21st, 2010
9:02 pm
Would love to see the Afro Man back as a Hawk, even on a one year deal. Sit Marvin’s sorry a$$ down or trade him.
All NBA free agents need to realize that there is a deep and global recession going on. Even the mighty Lakers are asking Phil Jackson to take a paycut, the reason he has been hinting all year he might not be back. Teams are not spending as they used to in past years. Players and agents need to realize this!
O'Brien
June 21st, 2010
9:08 pm
dap01,
Good point. For a team that likes to build on its draft picks (and not sign big name FA), they have done a poor job of drafting. Compare us to a team like OKC, and you see how good that team is. It took us 5 years to win 47 games. It took OKC 3 years to win 50 games. And they did it the same way we did. Drafting. The difference is they knew to take Durant. We passed on CP3, Deron, Gay and Brandon Roy.
Previously, our assistant GM said there was not much value to the #24 pick. But it seems like he is changing his mind. From MC’s article on ajc.com;
“I do think we can get a pretty good piece [at No. 24]. It just depends on if we go after a guy who has upside and develop him, or if there is a guy there with an NBA skill.”
I’m glad to see he is acknowledging what almost every Hawks fan knew already…
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
9:09 pm
It seems like people are giving Sund a pass because ASG sucks
1) ASG sucks – they are cheap and worthless owners
2) Sund DOES NOT GET A FREE PASS. This guy is an awful GM. His career accomplishment as GM was trading Gary Payton for Ray Allen. THE GUY DRAFTED ROBERT SWIFT, PETRO, AND SENE IN 3 CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
I REPEAT: HE DRAFTED SWIFT, PETRO AND SENE IN 3 YEARS. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT THESE GUYS BESIDES THAT SWIFT IS AN UGLY GINGER WITH TATTS?
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
9:10 pm
HOW IS MIKE WOODSON A PLAYER’S COACH IF HE CONSISTENTLY ALIENATED THE BENCH AND ROOKIES?
WAKE UP U MORONS.
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
9:13 pm
IS HORF MOVES TO PF, HE WILL NOT BE AN ALL STAR UNLESS HE IS ACTUALLY FEATURED IN THE OFFENSE
FIRE WOODY
Sautee
June 21st, 2010
9:22 pm
Jeje,
Must you shout?
J. cochran
June 21st, 2010
9:25 pm
I think that if Al Horford is moved to powerforward some team will reap the benefits of 12pt and 9 rebound ever night from the power forward position. Too bad Josh cant put up those kinds of numbers!
J. cochran
June 21st, 2010
9:26 pm
I thought they had already fired Woodson? So is thats one reason Chill wont come back?
J. cochran
June 21st, 2010
9:28 pm
Do you guys think Al Horford will make it back to the allstar game as a center?
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
9:30 pm
Does anyone at AJC actually proofread what’s put on the site?
“It’s possible the Hawks will beat the odds and select a player in Thursday’s NBA Draft who at least does one or two things well enough to help them next season.”
This is one of the most poorly crafted sentences I’ve read in my 21 years.
true grit
June 21st, 2010
9:34 pm
Yeah Woodson was love by his players, I can see why chills might be angry about the firing. Its true He is a players coach.
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
9:39 pm
SUND DRAFTED SWIFT, PETRO, AND SENE WITH HIGH 1ST RDERS
LOL!
JeJe
June 21st, 2010
9:48 pm
WHO CARES IF HE “WAS A PLAYER’S COACH?”
HE WASN’T AN OFFENSIVE OR DEFENSIVE COACH. HE CLAIMED TO BE DEFENSIVE MINDED YET THE TEAM DIDN’T PLAY DEFNESE. LOL!
true grit
June 21st, 2010
10:04 pm
I thought this was a Hawk fan blog sight. Why are you being so hateful ms JeJe
Jeff
June 21st, 2010
10:14 pm
chills???? we really won’t or need chills??? come on. Sorry to bust the bubke but the guy isn’t that great of a player. we don’t need him and he doesn’t (I can only hope) want to be here. Sign and trade his butt and let move on. he never has shown me anything and never has, he is a mediocre player and not a starter regardless of his repuation by the chills lovers on this blog. Let JJ go too. We need 2 or 3 more TEAM players and we will be good regeardless of the coach mess up.
Astro Joe
June 21st, 2010
11:06 pm
My guy, Jerome Jordan. Using both hands in the post. Nice.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Interview—Workout-Footage-with-Jerome-Jordan-3506/
Allofus
June 21st, 2010
11:39 pm
Hawks should pick Jeremy Wise. He is quick and can create his own shots.
cp
June 21st, 2010
11:45 pm
It would be nice if we could get another second round pick. A early second rounder. Its a lot of talent in this draft and seeing how the Hawks wont have money to sign some better depth ,it would be nice to use the draft. Get a guy like Jerome Jordan early in the second or the Richards kid who looks to have some nice skills. Either way I think another second round pick could be beneficial. Also nice to see that the kid they took last year will be playing in the summer league. Does Othello get another shot? I thought he had some skills to work with but they chose to go with no game Mario for whatever reason.
Astro you think Jerome will be there in the second or do you see him moving up in the first?
Clyde
June 22nd, 2010
12:21 am
Draft Grevis Vasquez and sign Sean Williams
Apollo
June 22nd, 2010
4:08 am
Michael, AJC is a newspaper is it not? The ACTUAL OFFICIAL name of the club is Olympiacos. Olympiakos is NOT the name of the club. I would think a newspaper could at least get the name right. Perhaps your editor would be interested to know?
atl fan
June 22nd, 2010
7:38 am
MC, how did mikhail Torrance do at workouts
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
7:44 am
Sautee
The all CAPS actually makes it easier to – “Get your Scroll – On!”
You can really see the BS coming from a long ways & then you just. step on the gas
when you see the really big words!
I actually kind of nice, knowing: which posts that don’t require reading.
drmaryb
June 22nd, 2010
8:01 am
* t’s actually kind of nice …
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:01 am
Chris paul could be on the trading block, can the hawks get him and what would it take ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:05 am
There might be a fire sale in N.O if so rick sund do what every it take 2 get him.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:11 am
TEAGUE and JAMAL for CHRIS PAUL, with jamal expiring contract the trade might work.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 22nd, 2010
8:26 am
STARTER CHRIS PAUL, JOE, CHILL, JOSH, HORFORD.
BENCH BIBBY, MOE, AL HARRINGTON, ZAZA, SOLOMON ALABI.
RESERVE MARVIN, MORRIS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Fundamentals
June 22nd, 2010
8:44 am
Sautee – I agree and contend that both Josh’s had a number in their mind, not an offer from the Hawks. Memphis and Philly made it a bit interesting for Josh. Yes we contended to match, but both kids still had their idea of what they were worth. When no one really made an offer they both got offended and took it out on the Hawks. The Greek offer took Sund by surprise no doubt and gave Chills an out, while Smoove was stuck here with no power to move elsewhere.
BigTimeTECHFan
June 22nd, 2010
9:08 am
Any chance in ATL trading up for a top 5 pick this week, any of these players could help the Hawks:
1. J Wall KY
2. D Cousins KY
3. D Favors GT
4. Turner OSU
5. G Monroe GTWN
Sign and trade Joe Johnson with M Williams for top 5 pick, free’s up money to sign D Wade as FA
Hawks would be set:
PF A Hortford
SF J Smith
C Cousins
SG Wade
PG Teague / Crawford
Ramon
June 22nd, 2010
9:20 am
You guys can get mad if you want when I say this, but I would trade Bibby, Marvin and Horford for Chris Paul and Okafor. True enough we’d have to eat a horrible contract from Okafor, but they’ll be eating Bibby and Marvin’s. A line up of Chris Paul, Joe, Chills (or Brewer), Josh, and Okafor would be a great defensive unit who could get into transition very quickly. Horford is going to continue to get better. But Horford will never be the leader who fills the two most important needs as a team leader in today’s NBA (win and sell tickets). However, Chris Paul would do both of those. I know people will say why not Josh, but the truth is they wouldn’t take Josh for Paul, because Josh and David West couldn’t play together.