Atlanta Hawks: ASG says Hawks not for sale

cheap owners . . . cheap fans . . . a perfect marriage.

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I think at best they are looking for someone to help them buyout Belkin. But my guess is that if someone insists on more than a 40% share, they won’t balk. What we clearly don’t want is an incremental owner to the 7 chefs already tripping over themselves in the kitchen. Gearon and Levenson are likely in it for the long haul but several others may be looking for the nearest exit.

@MC, any chance this could have an adverse affect on signing an elite FA with a desire to play for a franchise with the resources to compete for a title (he asked sarcastically)?

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yeah, put your money where your mouth is or shut up about cheap fans.

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doc,

don’t you just love it when you get folks complaining about fan participation and using their current location as the reason why they don’t attend games. As if attending the games are the only way to contribute. How about buying some Hawks paraphernalia and souvenirs thru the Hawks website at least….

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I’m sure that the ASG aren’t the only NBA owners hanging my a thread while waiting for the promise of the new CBA to put them back on solid ground. But frankly, I don’t care about other owners and their problems. @MC, don’t worry about brushing up on your knowledge of local college players who are 1st round prospects. If I were you, I’d start studying the NBDL All Star team roster to determine if Thomas Gardner, Jeremy Richardson or Matt Frieje would be the better candidate to fill that desired shooter role that Pendergraft wants to fill. Coach Drew already knows those guys, so it would make for an easy transition. Time to find my Esteban Batista autographed Chick Fil A bag.

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I wonder why the Falcons are not struggling financially? Arthur Blank is one owner who can afford his team and probably several others. Falcons owner is also a smart business man who caters to his fans. Say what you will fans matter? Makes me think of the expression what you put into something is what you get back. Cheap = Cheap. Just great, they want to add investors, I wonder will they have to check with the minority investors before they make decisions. Disfunctionalism at its best!!!

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@ Northcyde, my wife is about to be made when she sees the new budget for the fall/winter lol. I live in Macon, and want to get some season tickets.

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Nail on the head, northcyde – cheap ownership begets cheap fans.

If you’re going to see an action movie, do you want to see the one with the $100 million budget with all the cool CGI and special effects, or the one made on a shoestring budget where you can see the boom in all the shots?

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Astro Joe

June 18th, 2010
2:13 pm
I’m sure that the ASG aren’t the only NBA owners hanging my a thread while waiting for the promise of the new CBA to put them back on solid ground

And there it is : the context in which all of the drama surrounding the Hawks has got to be viewed- it’s the economy,stupid.

Until/ unless the economy gets better,especially from a subjective viewpoint, the Hawks are going to operating at the margins fiscally.
So your eyes may water and your teeth may grit but what you see is what you’re going to get.(with humble apologies to the late ,great Ron Banks)

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northcyde, it’s one thing to be a devoted fan, but buying a Marvin jersey is just stupid.

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Yeah, northcyde, I went to UNC and I still wouldn’t buy a Marvin jersey. Sorry, dude.

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Iverson will try to return in 2010-11:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5301538

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@Northcyde – here’s the problem with your idea – for every weekend game against the Celtics or Lakers, there’s five Tuesday night games against the Bobcats or Pacers. You can’t give those tickets away.

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About Jordan Crawford and the Draft.

I was looking at Chad Ford’s mock draft, and he doesn’t even have Crawford going in the 1st round.

I hope whatever the Hawks do, it’s not another forward like all the mock drafts I’ve seen.

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I am beyond tired of everybody knocking on the Atlanta “market”. We are one of the larger media markets in the country. If you don’t believe me, do a simple web search and you will find plenty of material to support this statement. This city has the population to support a sports franchise to the level of any other city. The Hawks do not lose money because we have a poor market. They can’t get fans in the seats because we don’t have a good vibe with this team. Not a week passes that the owners of the team are not engaged in a legal battle, scrounging/begging for money, or making an obviously cheap move. The Falcon’s under AB don’t have any problem selling tickets, with VERY similar post season results. I don’t even think the average Hawks fan expects us to go outspend the Mark Cuban’s of the league. We just want the team to spend competently and competitively. By the basketball gods good graces we have managed to post winning seasons without going into luxury tax levels like other teams. Pretty sure by the time Al’s rookie contract is up the ASG people might be resorting to bake sales and car washes to keep the lights on…

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@northcyde – you said it best. “It is what it is.” The southeast will always be college football fans.

There’s only so much time and effort you can put into caring about sports, and if you’re excitedly tweeting every time Mark Richt farts, you aren’t going to have it in you to care about what’s going on with the Hawks.

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@Big Ray – yeah, and then he could kiss Bruce Levenson’s @ss (just kidding, buddy).

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Atlanta is big enough to be a college football city, a nfl city, a baseball city, or a nba city. The problem is that the fans in ATL just want to see the hawks play a team in the regular season that exites them just like northcyde stated. For some strange reason the fans in ATL only have a championship or bust mentality when it comes to the hawks.

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The southeast will always be college football fans.

Nice to know some people recognize this. Fair or not, it’s the truth. And you don’t build a loyal fan base overnight. It takes years. Ask the Braves.

This last season was the Hawks second winning season in a row. Winning around here is NEW again. What about the previous 4 seasons?

The postseason performance in ‘07-’08 was the best we’ve seen in how long? Losing in a 7 game series as a serious underdog to the eventual champions that year was the best postseason basketball this team has played in quite some time. It was better, more competitive, and more exciting than the last two years, wherein we struggled our way to a 4-3 series win over inferior teams, then were unceremoniously crushed by superior teams, while failing to compete in any way, shape or form.

Do cheap fans make cheap owners, or is it the other way around? This ownership group came in here and messed things up from the start. They have branded themselves as petty, cheap, and a million other things, and they couldn’t keep it out of the spotlight. That practically kills all kinds of marketing.

In a place like Atlanta, there are established competitive sports markets. You can’t fubar things like that and expect to thrive. Not enough people are interested enough in the Hawks. That’s the way it is. It’s not like they are all sitting around with nothing to do while complaining about the Hawks. They are going to Braves games, Falcons games, and college games most of all.

The cart never functioned well in front of the horse. Part of the issue, believe it or not, is the star power. Like it or not, people would have been much more excited if Marvin Williams or one of our other high draft picks turned out better. Look what CP3 did for New Orleans. Imagine if he had been playing here . Yes, people do need to be excited about something. You have to sell the product. 47 wins and 53 wins is a start. But it ain’t nowhere near a finish, and with the last two postseason appearances, it makes it hard for the casual fan to get more involved, when they don’t see a reason to believe that the next season might be more fruitful or entertaining.

Because in the end, this is about entertainment.

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Jojo, if Golden State would do that, the Hawks should jump on that deal. Only thing is I like Iguodala more because he’s younger, and actually tries on defense. I don’t think Maggette’s played defense since the last time he was in Coach K’s huddle. lol

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Some of yall just don’t understand. People that are really from Atlanta are use to losing. We expect the Hawks, Braves, and Falcons to lose due to their history of losing. We only have one championship in 30+ years. So why do people call us bad fans when we expect them to lose?

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The hawks have fans all over the southeast and if management would market the team better the fan base would grow even larger.How about offering 5,10,or 20 home game ticket packages for fans.I live 3 hrs from ATL in Josh Smiths fathers hometown and when i go to hawks games i have the liberty to pick and choose what games i want to attend.With a package for fans outside of atl you will have more fan support at the games.And you can play more of your preseason games in other cities like Columbus,Savanah,Agusta,Albany,Birmingham,Columbia,Chatanooga, etc. and offer ticket packages when they play in those cities and i bet you over a few years fan support at regular season games will grow.

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northcyde, honestly i was going to suggest just that about selling your tix to make profit as i gave you the write off potential to a not for profit service organization. i figured reading your comments you would be sophisticated enough to figure it out on your own. nice job, now when is the date you call someone up. i can give you my reps phone no. of you want to speed up the process. bryan would probaly like to hear from somebody, anybody right now.

btw, i couldnt sell my spurs or magic tix down the stretch though i was going to be ut of town so it is difficult to say the least. you need kobe, cels or labron to sell em.

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I dont care what they do as long as they dont trade Mike Bibby. He’s cute, no homo.

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ray

“This ownership group came in here and messed things up from the start. They have branded themselves as petty, cheap, and a million other things, and they couldn’t keep it out of the spotlight. That practically kills all kinds of marketing.”

yes ray, well documented in the press through court proceedings, wanted bottom dollar team and got a 13 game winner in the process. amen brother ben.

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jroc ,

May not have a choice if Joe leaves. It’s not rebuilding, but it is more than just tweaking. Who then do we build the offense around? Larry Drew talks about an offense that has five guys on the attack, but even playing in his new system is gonna have its bugs.

Have to switch gears without JJ, like it or not.

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Clyde

Heh. We have to be champions before the team can be. Like I’ve said a million times, see how well that philosophy works in New York….

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Jojo, of course I would take that deal all day long.

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JC ,

LOL. Hey, I’ll take Tim Duncan and those rings, thank ya very much! Nothing wrong with a little sexy, it sells. But I don’t want to be the eastern conference version of Golden State…

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Its not that many coaches in the nba where players look forward to play for their coach.Players love to play for Phil,Doc and Pop……….. and Drew? Watch out ATL next year might be special, not championship special but special like 08 for fans, casual or die-hard.

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The city of Atlanta is a great city to get fans to come and support the Hawks. The ASG just doesnt market the team well at all!! If it wasnt for the diehard fans we are who stays on top of the Hawks, knows all the ins and outs of this team, we too probably wouldnt go to many games because we wouldnt know when they played or the prices for each game. What I’m saying is, for the casual fan, we need to market the Hawks on commercials other than SportsSouth or FoxSport stations but on other local stations, esp those ones not on cable (everyone doesnt have cable) Also, have better Hawks advertising on billboards arround the city,

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MsDee, the Hawks could do a lot better marketing towards the school kids (making it more of a family experience), or even having some sort of display in the airport also advertising the Hawks. Its a lot of different things. Just having 3 billboards on 285 isn’t going to cut it, lol.

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Jody, that BK and Woody is hilarious!

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Another idea is to get the Hawks players out and about in the city, instead of being in there 2.3 mil house we help get them in. Come out and have cook-outs in local parks, or sign autograghs at McDonalds where families always eat at, or have outings at malls, etc…all i’m saying is get involved with being involved with your fans, JJ, so u wouldnt have to call them out.

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Spending a truck load of money on coaches and (elite?)free agent always ensure a wining/championship teams. see Knicks, Wizards and any team except Celtics and Lakers. Right?

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Ramon ,

Yeah, but he held the ball for 20 seconds before doing so….

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Spending a truck load of money on coaches and (elite?)free agent always ensure a wining/championship teams. see Knicks, Wizards and any team except Celtics and Lakers. Right?

Exactly. And since they have such great fans who keep paying for the tickets and showing up for games, I just don’t udnerstand why teams like the Knicks haven’t won championships for the last several years.

Clearly their fans are of championship caliber, right?

This is what happens when the dummy has all the money (in this case, Dolan)

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Good Read:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/article/2010-06-01/sbj-nbpa-chief-billy-hunter-calls-nbas-claim-400-million-loss-baloney

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drmaryb,

Fubar is actually an acronym that stands for “F-d up beyond all repair”.

Now you know!

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Now I do agree with you all on that. The Hawks could be marketed much better than what they are.

The coolest thing advertising wise I’ve seen done on the Hawks, was a Nike billboard featuring Mookie Blaylock. It was done in black and white. The billboard tag line . . . “Master of the Take and Give” . . . which was in reference to his ability to dish out assists and get steals.

560 AM may be a good station in the daytime. But once that station powers down their signal at night, you’ll be lucky to pick up the signal 20 miles outside of the central city. I know at one time, Hawks games used to be carried on 750 AM. At night, you could pick up that signal even where I live on the TN/KY state line.

Marketing is definitely one area in which they can do much better.

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Although we don’t need a midget on this team but is this the next nate robinson???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5UmH5TdfI&feature=fvw

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What the Hawks or the Braves need is a Mark Cuban style owner someone who not a suit somebody who cares about the fans and the city.

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Lots of good stuff on the blog tonight. Big Ray on fire!

I trully believe Hawks blog is the best sport blog in cyberspace.

Keep firing it up, Hawks fans!

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LOL @ Big Ray telling about JJ and Josh throwing the first pitch.

ROFLMFAO

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SELL THE DAMN TEAMS

WE NEED MICHAEL MORON JR OUTTA HERE

ARROGANT P.O.S. OWNER

HOW THE HELL IS THIS GUY AN OWNER? HIS ONLY MEANS OF NBA KNOWLEDGE IS TALKING ABOUT DEFICIENCIES IN PLAYERS WE DON’T HAVE (JR SMITH, ILGAUSKAS). HE NEVER TALKS ABOUT OUR FAULTS, JUST THE FAULTS OF PLAYERS WE DON’T HAVE

GOOD JOB IDIOT

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When it comes to the recent NBA cap projections as reported by Stern, this sounds look a contradiction compared to his earlier reports of losses totaling 400 million dollars.

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IF WE OFFERED LEBRON A $6 MILLION/3 YEAR CONTRACT AND HE WANTED 6.01 THE ASG WOULDN’T DO IT. THAT’S HOW RETARDED THEY ARE

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LOL, Wade and LeBron are unrestricted, too. They would have to be asking to come HERE.

Use your noggin.

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The 2010 NBA draft is less than a week away, and if the Hawks don’t draft a center, this team will take a serious step back. We don’t need to sign a free agent center we need to draft one.

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what is the POINT IN DRAFTING A CENTER? WE HAVE HORFORD AT C AND SMOOVE AT PF.

U CANNOT MOVE SMOOVE TO THE SF SLOT. WE ARE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE UNLESS WE TRADE SMOOVE

JESUS

U PEOPLE SAY THE SAME !@#$ EVERY FREAKING BLOG. U CAN’T GET A CENTER IF HORFORD AND SMOOVE ARE STUCK AT THOSE POSITIONS. IF SMOOVE PLAYS SF WE WILL WIN 30 GAMES NEXT YEAR

GOOD GOD

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Finance’s might be another reason Woodson was let go. Over the last 6yrs the ASG has invested a lot of money in lottery and 1st rd picks just to see their investments go undeveloped and unproductive under Woodson. And in some cases, down right ignored. They obviously feel LDrew will reverse that sorry trend. If the Hawks under LDrew’s direction can continue winning, but most importantly, generate the same level of excitement in the playoffs that was generated against the Celtics in O7, things could really turn around for the team, the fans and ownership.

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Not sure if someone posted this link earlier but its a good writeup on the Hawks by NBADRAFT.net.

http://www.nbadraft.net/state-cap-atlanta-hawks-0

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If I’m the moronic Sund or ASG, I would STRONGLY consider trading our 1st rounder.

There is absolutely nothing to spend it on. If Teague is going to be developed, there’s no point getting a point guard (this draft talent level sucks).

Sell the pick and make some money- the broke ASG could use it.

DO NOT DRAFT A CENTER. WE HAVE HORFORD AND ZAZA (WHO PLAYED VERY SOLIDLY IN THE PLAYOFFS). Resign Collins and Joe Smith for nothing and maybe see if Drew can excite RandMo enough to actually improve (even though RandMo showed glimpses this past year).

It is WOODY’s fault we choke in the playoffs. We had the bench talent to do special things this year. If freaking Teague had been developed we could’ve made it to the ECF.

FIRE SUND
FIRE WOODY

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1. No proven new head coach.
2. No big name free agent is going to play in Atlanta.
3. No chance in 2011.

Can’t wait!!!

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I don’t think winning fails to excite the fans. It’s the way we lose that makes us ill.

The city will support an intelligent, consistent, courageous team……..

So far, we haven’t had that…….there were good games last year….Phoenix, LA, San Antonio……but also several bad inexcusable ,stupid losses, and of course the humiliation from Orlando.

Apparently, Northclude would like to forget the architect of this team’s futility……who will be lucky to land an assistant coach’s job……anywhere.

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FIRE

SUND

MIKE WHAT A CON AND HAM

FIRE AL HORFORD AND GET A STARTING CENTER WHO CAN PLAY DEFENSE

FIRE ALL THE HORFORD NUTT HUGGERS WHO REFUSE TO LOOK AT HIS HIS 12PT

CAREER AVERAGE HIS #18 BLOCK SHOT RANKING AMONGST CENTERS, OUT OF 30 NBA

99% SAID HE HIS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE ON THE NBA ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM. HE HAS A .41

FOULS TO BLKS RATIO WHICH MEANS HE IS VERY UNSKILLED AT PLAYING RIM

PROTECTING DEFENSE FIRE HIM AND HIS IGNORANT NUT HUGGERS TOO!

THE HAWKS WILL NEVER COMPETE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AL HORFORD AS YOUR CENTER.!

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS SOMETHING AL CANT PLAY!

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PLEASE FIRE MIKE THAT DAMM CON AND HAM AND GET A REAL SCOPE REPORTING, TEAM UNITING, HAWKS KNOWLEDGEABLE JUST THE FACTS MAAM, BRING US A REAL CENTER DEMANDING BEAT WRITER!

WHERE DID YOU GET THIS LOSER FROM AJC?

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/18/federal-lands-arizona-travel-warnings-place/

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Tell me you wouldn’t pay to see this:

Truth Serum calling Al Horford “W h o r e f o r d” to his face, then telling him he sucks on defense.

Somebody call security….oops, too late….call the paramedics instead…..

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” Tell me you wouldn’t pay to see this:

Truth Serum calling Al Horford “W h o r e f o r d” to his face, then telling him he sucks on defense.

Somebody call security….oops, too late….call the paramedics instead…”

HILARIOUS!

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Michael Cunningham

@ 1035 PM RE: labor negotiations

Can I get an Amen! – From the Congregation! Hello,t hat’s the oldest negotiation tactic in the Book!
The Economics are Good! -vs- The Economics are Bad! In any and all labor talks – it’s the Economy – Stupid!

Either way, The Hawks will be fine:
We can always go to Russia and finds us a billion dollar Arms – Dealer – Right?

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I GOT the POWER!

It’s gettin’ ….. It’s gettin’ kinda – hectic! (hit song from the ’80’s)

If I were the “Blog-Dog” like MC? I would “Scroll – On past half the “Wanna – Be”
bloggers on here. Especially multiple – named ones and the ALL -CAPS annoying
bloggers – (Big Time!)

But, I am NOT the: Blog-Dog,
Michael Cunningham IS!

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If I were Mike con “what a Ham”, Id just resign! Lets get a writer with out an anterior motive take charge. Why cant we get Mark Bradley instead?

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INTELECTUALLY STIMULATING!

@ 1025 AM: as Mark Jackson would say, “Mamma! There goes that MAN!”

It’ the size of the FIGHT in the dog!
How does one judge – The Heart of a Man?” -drmaryb-
Can YOU scout – Energy? -the donkey-

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Love you Mary, got to go. Ill look for you again later!

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By the way peanut gallery “W h o r e f o r d” is pronounced Horford, there no difference in the sound or the definitions. The two are synonymous.

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I find it humorous that the real problem with the Hawks are us, the fans, and not the ownership group. I have lived in GA my entire 37 years of existence and I distinctly remember the days of Fratello and different ownership group and yes…SELLOUTS at the old Omni!

It’s disingenuous to blame us (the Fans) when it’s clear that if we have a LEGITIMATE ownership group that was COMMITTED to fielding the very best product on the court, that fans wouldn’t support (the product).

If you look at all of our professional franchise(s) history you will see that WINNING alone will bring us in droves to the park, court, field. The Braves & Falcons have had lean years under different management groups and failed to gain our trust, it’s the PERCEPTION of the OWNERSHIP group that will either determine confidence or in still apathy.

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Truth-serum,

Still whining about Horford, I see.

You are the biggest whiner in all of Hawks fandom, IMHO.

It takes an ALL-TIME whiner to WHINE about having an All-Star Center. Un-freakin’ believable.

It’s like complaining about the farmers with your mouth full.

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“Lets get a writer with out an anterior motive take charge.”

Yeah, I never liked it when a writer had his motive in front either.

ROFLOL!

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MC

Check that grammar: Anterior -vs- Interior? Mnnnhhh …..

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why have the fans not really taken to this team. 1= they should have been playing uptemo ball in stead of
iso basketball with no team work(in the start of the season when they played so well they were running & the fans loved that] 2= every time they looked good they would get blown out of games (this happened way more than it should have prob due to our poor iso & switching defense.3= we need a leader on the
court( we dont have one) 4= no one liked woody & his style of coaching & pig headness) 5= the team needs to play with more purpose ) basically this team played subpar in the playoffs when they needed to step their game up.

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You whine about Dezz nuttz with yo mouth full….Dat aint right Saltee… Are you made coz Truth Serum calls you the “Legendary Brown OOzzzz of Undershorts?

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hey hey Hayyy, Mazio, Atlanta’s got to be funky, What-so-ever they do… they got to get a center!

SUNG TO THE TUNE OF MAKE IT FUNKY

1-2-3 GET A CENTER…GET A CENTER… GET A CENTER

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Hell atlanta struggled against Milwaukee a team with out a center that’s the reality. Hard to believe you can write such a long winded ignorance of why the hawks cant get to the serious levels of competition without acknowledging we cant compete in the most crucial aspect of the game…the post.

And dont whine like saltee telling me what he did against other powerforwards playing center. he did not stop them either. In FACT HE DOESNT STOP ANY ONE!

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Big Ray

June 19th, 2010
12:50 pm

RAY, WHATS YOUR OPINION OF DEZZ NUTTZZ?

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Whine Serum BIG GAY…IS THAT U?

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I had a great career and I happy I got my career average up to 12 pts per game and only 17 centers are better defenders than me. I did not make the defensive team nor the All NBA team but the flip side is I did score 1 more basket a game than my career average.

yeah , Im an all star?

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Im not gay! Am I?

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Whine Serum

June 19th,2010
1:09 pm

Im not gay! Am I?

I dont know Ray, are you Gay…never mind dont answer that

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I apologize this is the best I could do to get back at Truth Serum. He just gets on my nerves and bring the bytttch out in me!

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“If I were Mike con “what a Ham”, Id just resign! Lets get a writer with out an anterior motive take charge. ”

With all the talking out of your azz you do, you seem to have quite a posterior motive.

By the way, I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while — what exactly does “Mike Con & the Ham” mean? I realize it is supposed to be some kind of insult to our beat writer, but how exactly is it clever or insulting?

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Oh Poop!

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Northcyde

I think any real Hawks fan (not the guys who simply like to trash talk) are happy with a 50 win season, but unhappy with a team that did not play like a 50 win team in the postseason. Are we supposed to expect a team that won 50+ games to barely compete against an inferior opponent, then not compete at all against an opponent that is better, but not vastly better? I don’t think so.

After all, what’s the point of winning that many games? You don’t get a prize just for your win total. No, you get playoff position, homecourt advantage, etc. I think what bothers the borderline team trasher and the diehard fan alike is seeing our 53 win team act like they didn’t even know why or what they were doing in the playoffs. We were more talented an diverse this past season then we were when we faced the Boston Celtics in 2008. But to be honest, I feel that we competed better then . Sure, we got destroyed on the road, but we still fought them. Against Milwaukee, we were forced to fight, instead of forcing them . Against Orlando, we never really fought. Maybe for a quarter or two. Other than that…nothing but a string of individual performances.

Anyway, that’s how I think the avid fan sees things. The fickle critical type will always find something to run their mouths about. That never changes…

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Truth Serum ,

You’ve outdone yourself. Why are you posting as “whine serum” and then trying to indicate that it’s me? Clearly, it’s YOU. I realize there must be a joke in there somewhere, but I must have missed it…..

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Najeh ,

Far as I can tell, it’s a play on words for anybody that can’t spell “Cunningham”, which is strange considering all one has to do is copy and paste….

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TS,

That last post made even less sense. Stop smoking whatever you’re smoking before your ability to type erodes as well.

On second thought…smoke some more…

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Truth Serum ,

Good link to Peachtree Hoops. Here’s what’s funny, though. Just like every other time I hear something about Al not being a center and the need to get a starting center for the Hawks……it’s followed by suggestions that we trade Josh Smith, NOT Al Horford. In fact, that’s what most of the fans responding to that blog keep saying. Funny that you left that part out.

Suffice it to say, no matter how much you hate Al Horford (and you do), so many people will be more willing to part with somebody else and keep HIM. Sorry, dude.

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Having gone to both Falcon games (post Vick) and Brave’s games I can honestly say that they don’t sell out either..
I think its more of the economy and the teams than anything.. Atlanta need excitement with their pro teams in order to be motivated to go to the games. The Braves of the early and mid Nineties, Dominique era Hawks, the Vick era Falcons… Thats how you get the fans out..
The Hawks have an exciting team that didn’t play with that excitment all the time, keep winning and the fans real come.

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Wow, I guess the whining accusation must have really stung you Truth-serum.

Now you are whining with both barrels. Keep it up. We ALL enjoy how much of a fool you are willing to make of yourself.

Keep On Whinin’ Sybil, it’s what you do best, regardless of which name you post under.

Actually today you’ve taken your whining to a whole new level. You’ve now earned the title “King of Blog Whining”

All Hail the King!

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Sell while you can. NBA players are not worth 1/10 of what they get paid. Adding more owner is not even close to a good solution. SELL!! Hell, give the Hawks away if you are losing $30 mil/yr.

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NorthCyde

Great LinK! “That KID puts the “M” in “Mean – Mugging”! ROF.
You Sir, are awesome!

That was, well – RICH!

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There is an article floating out there on The Hoop that chills greek team wants him to return to the NBA. The laws Are changing in Greece, and it would cost them more money to pay his salary.

Plus chills changed agents, so the rumor is he wants back in the NBA.

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If the hawks resign jj, re-up with Chills, and add a solid vetern free agent. The Hawks would have to be a favorite to win the East next year. All of it really hangs on if the players live up to all the hype that they give Drew and play hard for the man. Man I can’t wait to see how all this drama unfolds.One thing i notice about the hawks is that when they put their mind to it to beat a team like they did the Celtics all season nothing can stop them. I can almost garuntee that the Hawks are going to play better against the Magic and Cavs next season.Hurry up NBA season and come back to me I miss you already.

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Once again the local media misses the story:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/frank_hughes/06/19/hawks.drew/index.html?eref=sihp

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NBA DRAFT BLOG (DOES AND DON’TS)

1.please stop sayin’, “the hawks need to DRAFT a center.” no sh!t. the hawks pick 24 this year. 23 other teams have that same logic, get a big man. there is no big man to draft at 24. dumarses.

2.stop postin’, “hawks need to package marvin and bibby in a deal for a center.” wtf? who in the hell is goin’ for that. if we know that marvin and bibby sux, why would 29 other teams not be thinkin’ the same things?

3.stop postin’, “asg needs to spend money, they are cheap.” if you are not a season ticket holda, YO’ AZZ IS CHEAP. the season tix are reasonably priced. if 19,000 ppl in a city of 4mil would purchase season tix and pack the house nightly, asg would HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND. sellouts bring in revenue on concessions, liquor, and parkin’.

why would asg go over the luxury tax threshold when they avg. 15,000 per night on a 53 win season.

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NORTHCYDE maybe lala can get carmelo anthony 2 play with the hawks lol.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

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RIP Manute Bol. It’s a shame that such a beautiful human being, who lived his life trying to ease so much pain, he had to endure so much pain. Now we all have to suffer the pain of his loss.

There’s an old African saying that goes, A PERSON DIES WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER REMEMBERED. So let’s always remember the gentle giant and keep his legacy alive. Reading about what he had to go through makes me feel so much better about what I’m having to go through.

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It’ll be interesting to see what happens during the draft? I wonder if the Hawks are involved in any trade talk? We’ll see.

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I personally thought we had the best team last year since 57 when I started following the Hawks. I also thought we had a chance to go all the way. Had the team fought hard consistently and played with fervor throughout each game and made the adjustments that all winning NBA teams make including playing hell for leather defense, I think the team would have been universally respected.

That’s what it takes to bring in fans…, respect for the club’s brains and heart…….

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if horford DOESNT FEEL HE IS A CENTER, THEN TELL SUND SO WE CAN MAKE CHANGES. ARE U TELLING ME THAT FOR2 YEARS U HAVE PLAYED CENTER AND NOT COMMUNICATED THIS TO THE FRONT OFFICE? U ARE A TOP 10 CENTER BUT IF U ARE REALLY A PF THEN LET’S GET JOSH SMITH’S LAZY ASS OUTTA HERE AND GET CHRIS KAMAN OR SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY CENTER.

ONLY GET A CENTER IF SMOOVE LEAVES. U CANNOT PUT SMOOVE AT THE 3

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Everybody collect as many real estate “For Sale” signs that you can get and put them in front of Phillips Arena. Maybe ASG will get the message.

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“Its really funny how easy as fans we can just cast judgement without having any of the pressures involved in that decision. What if they sell the hawks and move them from Atlanta, what now?”

Is it asking too much to expect the Hawks to be owned by a person or group that keeps them in the ATL, spends the money to put out a quality product, AND does the other things (hiring good front office people, marketing, etc.) that all lead to a winning organization?

I mean, it’s not like every great team in the league either now or in the recent past has been in a big market. Teams like the San Antonio Spurs, Detroit Pistons, Indianapolis Colts, Tampa Bay Rays, etc. have succeeded in not so huge markets because they made good decisions from top to bottom in the organization over an extended period of time. Somehow, sports franchises in markets big and small across America find a way to put together successful organizations and continue to win. Why shouldn’t we in Atlanta expect the same level of competence from our sports teams?

It’s easy and foolish to say that we shouldn’t cast judgment on the DASG because we are not in their position. By that logic we shouldn’t cast judgment on Barack Obama or Tony Hayward because we are not in their positions either. We as fans are buying the tickets that keep the DASG’s business afloat; if anyone has the right to cast judgment on the DASG, it’s us.

I am no big fan of the Atlanta sports fan base’s fickleness and general apathy towards the local pro sports teams. But the fact is the Hawks were 18th in attendance and 22nd in payroll this year. 1,500 tickets separated the Hawks’ average home attendance from the top 10; at 41 home games a year and an estimated average ticket price of about $75 (which is probably too high), that’s about $4.7 million in additional gate revenue they could have had if they had a top 10 attendance. $9 million separates the Hawks from the top 10 in the league in payroll. The Hawks just hired the cheapest of their four possible coaching candidates. As bad as the Hawks fan base may be compared to other fan bases, the ownership was worse compared to other NBA owners. Who is really to blame — the fans for “only” filling Philips to 88% of its capacity, or the DASG for projecting an image of mismanagement and disorganization?

“ASG never should a propensity to be cheap, they are just wise with their spending.”

I am not hating on the DASG solely for being cheap; their inability and unwillingness to spend money like the league’s elite franchises is only part of the problem. Their acceptance of mediocrity like Rick Sund, who came in with a perfectly mediocre track record and has hamstrung this franchise by committing $22 million in annual salary to three non-factors and keeping the Hawks out of this summer’s free agent derby, is just as much of a culprit. Where’s our Sam Presti who presses all the right buttons and makes all the right moves? The irony of it all is that the next Presti or Daryl Morey probably wouldn’t even cost as much as a retread like Sund. There’s no way anyone can, with a straight face, say that the Hawks have spent money wisely.

Just like in any other business or even in government, spending money unwisely is at least as harmful as not spending money. The DASG has been alternately been guilty of both during their time as the Hawks owners, and the end result is a team that has managed to accumulate enough talent (over an excruciating long period of time) to win 50 games but despite underachieving big time in this year’s playoffs, realistically has little to no hope of improving to championship-contender level as currently constructed. The idea that we should suspend all criticism of this franchise just because ATL sports franchises have historically been mediocre or because 1,500 more fans don’t show up to each game is just dumb.

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Najeh its all debate I dont take this personal.

Is it asking too much to expect the Hawks to be owned by a person or group that keeps them in the ATL, spends the money to put out a quality product, AND does the other things (hiring good front office people, marketing, etc.) that all lead to a winning organization?

Its not asking too much but also is it asking too much for people to give the team better support than they have shown? This past season was one of the most successful in past memory in the regular season yet we were 18th in attendance. How can we expect the owner to shell out cash when our attendance figures arent up especially after the season we just had. Forget the post season we were trash but the regular season we excelllent. You are right Sund dont have a great track record and I was very skeptical when he was hired but he made some excellent deals for the franchise. No long do we have old washed up over paid players, we have a very exciting team. I can understand the style of play may have turned some off however the record dont lie. Give me one reason the owners should hit the luxury tax? Because this team or that team do it is not a good reason.

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Big Ray

June 19th, 2010
1:51 pm

Truth Serum ,

“Good link to Peachtree Hoops. Here’s what’s funny, though. Just like every other time I hear something about Al not being a center and the need to get a starting center for the Hawks
suffice it to say, no matter how much you hate Al Horford (and you do), so many people will be more willing to part with somebody else and keep HIM. Sorry, dude.”

You and All of al’s many fans take criticism of Al religiously. Observing your cult like behavior for a powerforward who is average at best.

Consider (if its possible) Out of 30 coach’s only 1 felt that he could make the NBA all defensive team and that vote was for the second team. ( To this you cover your eyes and put your fingers in your ears and bow down and worship a mediocre center)

Al Got 0 thats spelled zero and in spanish nil, zero (pronounced zhirr-o) votes to be on the all nba team and this format actually had a 1st, 2nd and 3rd team.

He has a career average of ….12 points? Some how you still have your fingers in your ears and your eyes covered. Bow down and worship.

Al ranked # 18 among centers in blocking shots. (are you still looking the other way?)

Al has a .41 block shot to foul ratio which is a very clear indicator that he is not dexterous in playing the post because the is almost always in foul trouble when trying to be aggressive in the post, in fact (and these are facts) on average if all were to have a 3 block night( manute Bol who was not a great center, God Bless, averaged 3.3 and played because of this stat alone) if horford would foul out or be in serious foul trouble at his second block . Dont tell me about the 1 or 2 games where this wasnt the case tell me about the 80 games where this was.

Al’s sole claim to fame is that he gets the rebound when the more athletic, higher scoring and defensively superior Josh Smith blocks shot, (By the way Josh did make the defensive team at his position, Al was not considered.)

All most all starting power forward and center average 8 / 9 rebounds so Al is doing nothing exceptional in getting Josh’s rebounds after josh block a shot.

My objective criticism of Al is what it is. Im sorry you want to paint it as hate. I did not mean to offend your god. Al by my books and apparently his to is a mediocre center better suited to play power forward. Having him at that position, center, is one of the main reasons the hawks will not advance. I will stay on this point till the hawks make a change. Its nothing personal or an attack against your god. I’m sorry you take it that way.

In the words of sargent friday of dragnet ” Just the facts ma’am.”

DEFENSE WINS!!

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Just in case you guys want to ignore that Al himself has said that the hawks would be better if they got” a real center”.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2010/5/25/1486247/its-come-to-this-another-links

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Najeh, I get what you’re saying but Atlanta has a lot more choices for premium entertainment over Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, and Detroit.

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Whining about having an All-Star Center is like complaining about the farmers with your mouth full. (Hint: It makes you lose credibility)

Will Truth-serum EVER stop his incessant whining?

Not Likely, from this last post.

Hey Truth-serum, Al is our starting center. Get over it.

Sour grapes make for an awfully bitter whine.

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najeh:

“I am no big fan of the Atlanta sports fan base’s fickleness and general apathy towards the local pro sports teams. But the fact is the Hawks were 18th in attendance and 22nd in payroll this year. 1,500 tickets separated the Hawks’ average home attendance from the top 10; at 41 home games a year and an estimated average ticket price of about $75 (which is probably too high), that’s about $4.7 million in additional gate revenue they could have had if they had a top 10 attendance.”

this is exactly what i have been saying for months to years, in numbers. there is little to be gained by spending more. the return on investment for spending above the cap is not there unless the owners are willing to and want to take the risk, for whatever reason. again the suns are just he example of what najeh created, top ten sending and only brought in about 800 more fans a game if memory serves me from when i was looking over the data as northcyde and i waxed on about cheap fans vs. cheap owners, him more eloquently than i.

which is the cart and which is the horse? i say it is always the responsibility of the owner, therefore he is the horse. if the owners put up their money at the rate of similar markets and dont get folks to come and have an entertaining product then they can complain and shame on us. if they do the opposite, have the 22nd in money spent and 18th in fan attendance then they have no room to complain. i think the owners, as in any business, must generate the enthusiasm in competitive environments whether it is soft drinks or sports/entertainment enterprises. it is not the other way around.

it takes more on the marketing front than yelling on all the billboards “now you know” to generate enthusiasm. they have failed miserably. i might emphasize whenever they open their mouths it just generate derisive comebacks from the fan base, from the top gearon, to knight, (remember how maladroit he was with the spoken word?), to woody to jj, whenever their leaders in all those fronts open their mouths to condescend to the little people … us. does this remind you of any other failing corporation? try frigging BP on for size and you have the formula for pr success the hawks use.

THANKS NAJEH AGAIN VERY INSIGHTFUL.

happy fathers day, out there to you guys. i imagine there might be one or two. greatest experience i have ever had.yeah, greater than being a fan of the hawks now for 53 years.

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HAPPY FATHER’S DAY!

To ALL the MEN bloggers! Even, IF you have no children – YOU do have a Father in Heaven and on Earth!

Again, Happy Father’s Day!

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Sautee

Preaching some Gospel & Truth on a Sunday Morning!
Can I get an AMEN from the Congregation?

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Another link for Tibor Pleiss:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tibor-pleiss
Amen

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Grand-Daddy

Great find and an even Greater – a possible Gem?

TIBOR? I like it … I like it!

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drmaryb,

As a dad of two, I thank you for your kind wishes.

Grandad,

I look forward to talking to you.

And Happy Father’s Day to all the dads.

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GRANDAD-a couple of wks back, someone posted a link about a young center out of France, I think, that was a much better prospect. He too was 7′, but bigger, quicker, faster, more athletic, and had a well developed inside gm, as well as deadly 3pt range. He’s a player that can contribute offensively while developing his other skills. His superior speed, quickness, athleticism and outside shooting ability and range adds versatility, by allowing him to also play PF.

If we go for a Big with our 1st pick, it tells me that Sund expects JJ to resign, or he has confidence he can get a suitable FA replacement. A player like JChildress could go a long way towards replacing the versatility and the intangibles JJ brings to the table. Before he left, Chills basically operated as a point forward, and in some cases as an outright PG.

I’d absolutely love to see a starting lineup of SF-JChildress, PF-JSmith, C-AHorford, SG-JJohnson and PG-JTeague operating in LDrews uptempo, attacking the basket style of OFF. I also believe a bench of JCrawford, MWilliams, ZPachulia, MEvans, MBibby, another Big or two, and/or a combo guard, would be very productive and deep.

I doubt very seriously if any NBA team would be able to embarrass that team during the playoffs, especially with the potential of our new OFF system and DEF philosophy.

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“If I were the Hawks? I would NOT announce my pick either! ”

In the back of my mind I expect that Sund will surprise me and show himself to be a mover and shaker. So far he has seemed as if he is shaking after making an irrational coach’s change. No upgrade there. In fact the hawks will be hard pressed to duplicate the 53 wins and a 3 seed position which was significantly better than what the expert expected from the hawks.

If going low budget on the coach was intended to apply more resources on player then I see that as a good move, especially if he makes some trades.

I will wait till the season is set before making my final assessment but I can easily justify the Fire Sund chant thats often call for even on this b u b b a c r e w site.

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Happy Fathers day to all the dads on here.

For all the talk about Drew being so cheap I just read today how Thibodeau is only getting 1.5 this year and only his first two years of his contract is guaranteed. Its funny how the Hawks catch so much heat for giving out the same kind of contract that the Bulls gave Thibodeau. Thibodeau was the hot name and the guy everyone wanted yet he is getting what Drew got yet somehow the Hawks are cheap and not the Bulls. Even the Viny Del Negro hire was a cheap one.

As far as the draft goes for some reason I think they will take the big man Ryan Richards and Pape Sy in the second. If they don’t take Richards I still think they take Pape Sy in the second.

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Grandad I don’t think Greivis Vasquez will be around anywhere in the second round.

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LOL @ HORFORD SAYING WE NEED A POINT GUARD. THE DAMN TRUTH

LET BIBBY GO. PAY HIM TO LEAVE. HE IS GARBAGE

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Dalembert

Looks like hoopshype.com is reporting some Nasty, Personal, -ISH- on Dalembert!

If half what they allege is true? Boy, did we dodge that bullet!

1.Turr-ible Work Ethic! (Or lack there of.)
2. Not only does Dalembert need an agent, perhaps a Psycho- Therapist too?
3. Indifferent to team practices?
4. An Arrogant SOB?

Wow! I’m surprised that’s true! The said he has NO offensive skills & doesn’t bother
To even pick up A basketball in the off-season. No low post desire to score whatsoever!

Major complainer/whiner in presence of team mates … Always complaining that he wants OUT of Philly & cancerous to the rest of team. Wow!

Draft TIBOR at age 20 years at 7′1″ and 210 lbs with a frame to build body mass!
-Take Him!-

Keep Rollin’ Mr. Dalembert …

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I just read today where Chillz Greek team wants him out of there. They are having a horrible time economically over there and don’t want to pay him next year. Looks like Chills will be in play this year either through a sign and trade or coming back to the Hawks.

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Why the hate on Bibby. The man was brought here to serve out his career and retire. He was given a 3year contract of which he was to start the first, accept challenges/split time the second and back up the third. His first year here he was a top 3 pt shooter in the NBA and a very major reason for the hawks successful campaign and growth. His leadership helped the young team tremendously. This year was his second and Although it is clear his skills are diminished he was still an effective court general and had a beautiful turnover to assist ratio. Next year will be the last on his contract and he will retire or help somewhere in another capacity. The Man has done and is doing exactly what he is pay for. He should be applauded not derided. After next year he will be able to retire after a long and wonderful career. GREAT JOB BIBBY!

OK haters your turn.

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You won’t find me “hatin’” on Bibby. I’ve been a big fan since his Ariz. days. I have brought up to this blog SEVERAL times that when we acquired Bibby, our TO’s went down by TWO per game. That’s the difference in a lot of close games…. two extra possessions. Also, Bibby is by far the best screener on the team.

Unfortunately, he was re-signed for too long, IMHO. Two years, with a team option, would have been better and given us more flexibility.

I WILL say, however that his defense has suffered greatly in the past year and a half.

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Finally, Al Horford gave an interview to the Associated Press regarding playing in the Dominican Republic this offseason. He also indicates he’s ready to sign a long term deal to stay in the NBA and offers this (translated, emphasis mine) gem:

Horford considered that the young Hawks need a point guard and a genuine center, enabling him to play as power forward.

If Al truly believes this, then he disagrees with Mark Bradley and Rick Sund, who both believe he is perfectly suited for his role as center. I believe that Al still struggles mentally with having to take on the biggest the NBA has to offer every night, and it shows with hurried moves and shots against larger opponents. But with Josh Smith on the roster, as noted earlier regarding Josh’s… it leaves Al having to man the pivot.

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I’d resign all our bigs. Collins and Joe Smith are solid bigs if they get to play. RandMo costs nothing because no one knows anything about him and he doesn’t care if he is paid nothing

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Truth-serum,

From your post: “He also indicates he’s ready to sign a long term deal to stay in the NBA and offers this (translated, emphasis mine) gem”

What part of (translated, emphasis mine) did you fail to understand.

If MC quoted an article and said (translated, emphasis mine) you would go ballistic. But you’ll fall all over this blog author, because he says something you think bolsters your argument.

Find me a true link to a true translation and I’ll listen. Otherwise, this has no more credibility than most of the other rumors on sports web sites.

And YOU have NO credibility with me because:

You say that “the only reason Zaza gets offensive rebounds is because he’s too lazy to get back on D”.

You say “the center post is NOT about rebounding”

You say a “good, not great center should be capable of producing 14-16 points, 12-14 rebounds, and 2-3 blocks nightly” (even though only ONE center – DHoward – can do that) And hey, if the center post is NOT about rebounding, why would you expect them to get 12-14 rebounds?

You say “the coaches in the league had a conspiracy to vote Al onto the All-Star team so we wouldn’t go after another center”.

You say “Shaq announced that he wouldn’t play in the All-Star Game because of a thumb injury” Heh heh, never DID get that link.

With THAT kind of doubtful credibility history, is it any wonder I would doubt THIS article from you?

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Authorized my arse. Is this another “Shaq announced he wouldn’t play” story?

Where is a link to the ORIGINAL interview, and a translation?

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I was mainly just talking about the 2 guaranteed years. I was just pointing out how the Hawks catch a lot more heat than they deserve at times……Sautee you’re way to good of a poster to keep going back and forth with dude. Just let it go because its clear he wont stop with the B.S.

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You doubters compare Horford to other centers in the nba and i am talking about true 7 footers. Your boy Horford out rebound, out score, and out block, yes and plainly out work a lot of guys that are true 7 footers.

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LOL @ you people.

…It’s OBVIOUS that Hawks fans are at fault. Joe Johnson and Woody have done NOTHING in their time here / when they were here (Woody). They did GREAT things for this team and the fanbase sucks.

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http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-play-defense-in-basketball

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SAUTEE-TRUTH SERUM is a one trick pony with an extremely limited basketball IQ that lacks diversity of thought. Although he does have the ability to change names, he lacks the ability to go beyond continuously repeating the same stupid remarks over and over about AHorford.

He’s like a parrot that mimics a word or phrase that it picks up and repeats over and over without understanding a single word of what it’s saying. Would you actually try to reason with that parrot and get it to stop repeating what it’s saying if that word or phrase didn’t make sense?

The guy wants attention, but isn’t knowledgeable enough on basketball to offer any intelligent insight on anything basketball related. So he comes up with a way to get attention, and criticizing an All Star center is his ticket to getting the attention he craves. What else can you say about anyone dumb enough to even make an attempt at defending the NBA’s worst PG, while constantly criticizing an All Star center.

AND A HAPPY FATHER’S DAY TO ALL, AND THAT INCLUDES TRUTH SERUM AND ALL OF HIS IMAGINARY FRIENDS!!!!

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Still waiting to see that quote from Al Horford himself. All I see so far is a guy with a blog saying that he translated something (and not even THAT).

Haven’t seen the quote/interview, so I’m not buying the spotty apples….

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The Shoulders of Giants: A Look at the NBA Center
By Alex McVeigh · December 1, 2009NBA »
Filed Under Basketball Positions, Center, Dwight Howard, NBA, Shaquille O’Neal, Yao Ming

Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic centerThe NBA center. Along with a quarterback and the ace of your pitching staff, the center is what most teams live and die by. Even more, since the quarterback is on the field for half the game and a starting pitcher pitches once every five games.

The center, however, ideally plays night in and night out, clogging the lane, dominating the boards, tipping in errant shots and blocking opposing shots.

No other position causes franchises to gamble so frequently, the thought of a 7-footer who can play the game is what made Darko Milicic, Rafael Araujo, Fran Vasquez, Paul Davis, Kyrylo Fesenko, Alexis Ajinca, and Pavel Podkolzin first round picks.

And that’s just a list of busts since 2003. The thought of being a team to discover the next great big man (especially if that big man is foreign) has cost many a GM a job.

And yet they still do it, and will continue to gamble on center prospects, because nothing beats a franchise center.

Want proof? Everyone has piled on the Portland Trailblazers for the past 25 years for selecting Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in the 1984 draft, but you know who else passed on Jordan? The Houston Rockets, who used the first pick to select Hakeem Olajuwon.

Now, how many people kill the Rockets for selecting Olajuwon? Nobody, even though Olajuwon only won 2 rings (in Jordan’s absence) to Jordan’s six. Because you don’t turn down a franchise center.

Olajuwon and Houston were the lucky ones. So was Orlando with Shaquille O’Neal and Dwight Howard.

But the fact is, in today’s smaller, faster NBA, centers are even more at a premium that ever before, because there just aren’t that many true centers out there.

Yao Ming, Dwight Howard, Kendrick Perkins, Brook Lopez, Shaq, Zyndrunas Ilgauskas, Jermaine O’Neal, Tyson Chandler, Brendan Haywood, Greg Oden, Al Jefferson, Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman, Erick Dampier, Andrew Bogut and Marc Gasol are about the only true centers out there that get regular minutes.

That’s 16 players on 15 teams. That means there half of the NBA’s teams do not play a true center regularly. Players like Pau Gasol, Al Horford, Marcis Camby, Ben Wallace, Nene, Joakim Noah, Luis Scola, Andres Biedrins and Chris Bosh are playing center, even though they are better fitted to the power forward spot.

Now, this isn’t to say the players in the latter group aren’t doing a good job in the center position. I think Noah, Bosh, Gasol and Camby do very well anchoring their teams down low, even if it doesn’t use their skills in the most effective way.

But nothing compares with a true center, especially one over seven feet.

The job of a center is easily defined. They need to be that big body in the paint, both on offense and defense. On defense, that means blocking shots or at least delivering hard fouls to players who penetrate for a close shot.

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LOL @ you people.

…It’s OBVIOUS that Hawks fans are at fault. Joe Johnson and Woody have done NOTHING WRONG in their time here / when they were here (Woody). They did GREAT things for this team and the fanbase sucks.

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE, EXCELLENT COMMENTS!

THE ONLY PREDICTABLE COMMENT WAS RAYS REPLY! IT

ACTUALLY YOUR COMMENTS ARE STALE, RAY. Northcyde is a much more adaptable, objective and lively writer than yourself. I dont always agree with northcyde but a) he got this one write b) his stories are not bubba crew-ish,like yours, but objective and illuminating

It will be along time if ever, when we win 53 games again and are a 3 seed. It was hate like yours and the bubba creww that stop this growth because they would not play your favorite players. like turnover teague. Hate on Ray, hate on bubba creww

Northcyde let your haters be your motivators keep up the grind. Good job
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*this one right

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Looks like Al has been running his mouth off to the AP trying to influence the next coach to get a power forwards position. I dont blame him, He is a power forward and admits that he is playing out of position.

Excellent AP Story that Al gave. Has Al recanted his statement or accused the writer of misunderstanding what he meant? If he hasnt then I guess the interview understood exactly what Al was saying!

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Ken Strickland

June 20th, 2010
11:26 pm

SAUTEE-TRUTH SERUM is blah blah blah blah forget the validity of his points, blah blah blah accept this hate and focus on it rather than the points that I am mentally not able to argue…blahhal.

Oh yea, happy fathers day truth serum you Azzhoole!

Way to go ken. AKA “Dick, Breath”

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If the message is factual and on point, and/or you lack the intelligence and insight to question that message, a sure sign that you’re over matched is when you resort to attacking the messenger rather than answering any of the questions asked, or providing proof of any alleged quotes you’ve referenced. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, OR SAYS, FOR A ONE(1)TRICK PONY.

TRUTH SERUM-It’s a crying shame that you don’t have enough intelligence to take advantage of the intelligence you do have.

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Guard Speedy Claxton has retired from basketball and has been hired as a college scout for the Warriors. He was present at Sunday’s workout. — Contra Costa Times

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UNIDISPUTED CHAMP!

Would someone kindly please get that fool out of here. He poisons and stains this forum in ways that are utterly disgraceful. An oxygen thief is the best description. I can only imagine what it would be to have to work or live with this person. Truly awful, it must be.

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The Ayatollah:

@ one time I was ‘Hatter’s’ most avid antagonist !
However,
I’m here to defend him now.
He,
Has as much right as any of us to frequent this blog.
Besides,
He’s funny as all get out.
That’s -
country, for, funny as a………;
“Mad Hatter”.
Now;
Mr. “The Ayatollah”, I’ll defend You against people like –
“ME”
who come back @ you for criticizing ‘ the Hatter ‘.
The End.

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Well now, that was gloomy….

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And “cost containment” means no JJ; no Jchills and, no first round draft choice. The players and the draft pick will be packaged ,if possible, for”future considerations”.

@grandad: Thanks!

@ Big Ray: not meant to be gloomy but there is a crisis within the association both in terms of finanances and leadership and it looks as if the BP model is being followed there.

Last, MC: pick up the pace man, you are getting smoked by the national media and your “collegues”.

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@MC: First, the draft; several publications have the Hawks going from SG to centers including an interesting center prospect,Jerome Jordan -a 7′ Jamaican who seems to be a taller ALL STAR AL. Second, where are the comments from some of the roster regarding what they are doing to advance their skills in preparation for the up coming season. And ,last but certainly not least , what will the Hawk’s summer league roster look like. The expectation, currently, is that it will feature a ton of Teague but are there others who could be put under the microscpoe as well?

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i think what t.s. is saying saute is he would prefer a center that plays defense than wait on some one else to so he can pick up the free rebound. i think i too would prefer a center who can play defense block and alter shots, knock people on the seat of their pants and force guys out of the block. Yes, I too would like a, as Al Horford put it “real center”. there are 30-40 guys who can get you 7-9 rebounds while some one else is doing the defense that caused the missed. I just wish Horford would cause the miss.

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