Atlanta Hawks: LD doesn’t lack confidence

didnt have enough hands MC.

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i like it. go hawks

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WHO HIRE HIS TABLOID, HATER AISE ANY WAY?

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I am wary of big talk though, and Drew’s doing a lot of it. It honestly could be Phil Jackson saying all these things and I’d still be just a tad skeptical. I doubt it’ll be so easy, but I think it’ll be easier considering he’s already on the inside with the team.

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Hopefully JD’s plan to make the offense work better is a reason to hope, even if it does not translate to another 53 win season. JJ’s ISO caused a lot of turnovers and took precious seconds off the clock. I hope that if JJ stays, he’s on board to JD’s changes. I am afraid that Smoove will run over people and pick up too many fouls even if given the ball on the way to the hoop. He’ll need to have better body control to get his points and avoid fouls. I would still let him take a few shots from inside the perimeter from time to time, from the positions where he makes most of his shots and when the team is not fighting to get back in a game. M Bibby and Jamal C. missed a lot of shots they should have made. I guess when their game is on, the team looks great, but the team looks really bad when their game is not on. Is it rushing? Is it chocking? Is is what that makes a lot of the Hawks’ players look so bad sometimes? For those who think JD is not the man for the job and that Mark Jackson, Byron Scoot or even Mighty Mouse, er, coach Avery Johnson would have done better, JD has not coached his first game yet. Let’s give him a chance.

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free agency/sign-and-trade*

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Calm down T.S. Im not that ignorant as to think that is an viable offensive scheme. If you dont pretend that Mike con ham knows about basket ball hell write bad stories about you like he did my mentor Woody I

Its the same strategy he uses when he block your messages or delete the ones that disagree with his Bubba Crew mentality. Hey, I need a job, so just play along with his ignorant aise.

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yea, I know these guys, you cant get blood from a turnip. We only had 1 3rd string all nba player so it aint like we got a lot to work with. Changing the label dont change the content. Hell, I may not win 53 games with this shette. Its amazing what Woody I did !

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Can we get Chillz Back Please…

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Am I wrong or was Chills a role player when he was here and we actually won more games when he left. He is not tearing it up in Europe against lesser talent. Chills can’t shoot or create his own, he is no savior. You can get a Chills for the NBA minimum.

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Why is everyone acting like Chills was an All Star, or even the FOURTH best swing man taking in his draft? I know they say absence makes the heart grows fonder, but give me a break. I remember Chills being serviceable at best. I remember 3-4 seasons JC missing a lot of times because of foot troubles, ankle troubles and everything else. I remember 2 seasons where Chills couldn’t even jump high enough to dunk, couldn’t shoot, and couldn’t defend. Chills is not worth more than $4 mil at the MOST. If Mike Miller, Brewer, and a few others aren’t going to make more than $5 mil, there’s no way you can really justify paying Chills more than that. So renounce him, and be done with it, or trade the rights for someone else.

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Oh….and haven’t we already argued about what we should be calling Jeff Teague? Something like Lil’ Big Man? Yup…you can drop rook on the 24th if you gotta keep the albatross around his neck…it’s your popcorned vehicle….

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The hawks fans seem to have mediocrity confused with exceptional talent. The truth is this team was ousted from the playoffs because it runs a low post defensive strategy called the cream filled doughnut.

Very soft on the inside!

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Joe Johnson sign and trade with Marvin/Bibby (prefer Marvin go). Send them to the 76ers for Iguodala and Sam Dalembert. We would have a real good defensive team . Find a good 3ptr shooter to come off the bench. MAKE THE DEAL SUND. We dont need a superstar look at what the celtics are doing with the 2nd tier “4″. Good defense will always overcome good offense. Pick your sport it doesnt matter.

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mc, good info and questions regarding the new hire.

any word about chills being part of the mix or if drew would even like to see his fro around the phil if his gm delivered him such a package? any comments from chills forth coming about drew and if he would like to play for the man?

yes, i think we need a few more bodies. since chills is our property i would like to see this asset put in play sooner rather than later.

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@ Ramon,

Check your numbers. In Chill’s 4 seasons, he played 80, 74, 55 and 76. So he had one season ruined by injuries, but in the other 3, he played an average of 77 games each season.

And although I am okay with a cheaper option (like Ronnie Brewer, or Matt Barnes), lets not sell Chills short. All Mike Miller does is shoot. What happens when his shot isn’t falling? Chills can bring the ball up (Marvin can’t), he can defend 3 positions decently, and he scores 10-12 pts a game without plays run for him.

And for somebody who can’t shoot, his career FG% is .52%.

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@ MC,

Any word on Drew’s staff?

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Interesting how Drew has everythingalready figured out. Almost makes you wonder what kind of input he’ll use from his assistants. Also, I wonder how he may react if the defenses adjust to this innovative offense he plans to run? I hope he isn’t like the musician who has a phenomenal first albu because it is comprised of the best songs they composed if the years prior to landing a record deal. And then when it is time to “adjust” and produce that next record, they disappear in a cloud of D’Angelo dust.

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J$$-thanks for your concern and encouragement. I also agree with you and DOC about Chills. His passing, ball handling and penetrating skills, even if he hasn’t improved, would be ideal for the type of motion and penetrating OFF LDrew is talking about implementing. Based on what LDrew said about his proposed OFF and DEF philosophy, everything he plans to implement will be the complete opposite of what Woodson did. WORKS FOR ME.

I have to disagree with you on RMorris’ ability. While he’s certainly not a complete player by any means, his OFF skills are developed enough to make him a valuable weapon in certain situations and match ups, especially at PF.

I’m certain that your sentiments about Morris were at one time echoed about Ben Wallace as well, before Pistons GM Joe Dumars rescued him from the end of a bench. A similar thing can actually be said about PG Chauncey Billups, before Dumars did the same for him. I look at it this way.

I’ve studied ancient African history for over 25yrs, and I’ve always been fascinated by a group of Africans called the DOGON, or CLIFF DWELLERS, who live in East Africa. These unbelievable people are in possession of advanced knowledge that in some ways exceed our own. They specialize in astronomy and astrology, and their knowledge extends into the realm of quantum physics and mechanics. They know about the Big Bang theory, the Sirius B or White Dwarf Star, which is supposed to be invisible to the naked eye, its elliptical orbit, composition, and its powerful gravitational effect on the Sirius star.

Yet, so called experts are confounded to explain how a group of people, who live what has been described as a STONE AGE existence, can be in possession of such advanced scientific knowledge. Therefore, these so called experts have resorted to making up stupid and unsubstantiated excuses and explanations to try and explain away how the DOGON acquired this knowledge.

Why is this a problem for them? Well, these so called experts can’t seem to bring themselves to get beyond the DOGON’s Blackness and living conditions. I used this analogy to make a point. Far too often we judge players by what we don’t know, see, or can’t comprehend. Just because a player hasn’t done something before doesn’t mean he’s not capable of doing it at all.

Throughout NBA history we’ve seen players come out of the CBA and obscurity to become very productive players, even All Stars, when suddenly placed in certain situations and given an opportunity, adequate mins and support. I watched RMorris throughout training camp after seeing how much weight he’d lost, and he was one of our most improved players during camp.

Can we find someone better, YES. But can we afford someone better who can do the things he does best?

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Can we please try to get some assistants like Sam Mitchell or Paul Silas in here? Let’s not let scrubs like Bob Bender (who?), Jim Todd (who?) and others in our locker room

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The worst mistake Sund could do is overpay for Chills simply because he overpaid for Marvin. True enough Marvin isn’t worth his contract at this stage, and neither is Chills. And personally I would rather use majority of the mid level to find a adequate big and go cheap on the swing.

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Ramon,

I think Chills is valuable, but I agree with you. Sund should not overpay. But I dont think we should remounce Chills (although if he decides to stay in Greece, I would consider it).

Chills 1 year QO is ~$4.8 mil, which isn’t bad. But we could probably have Matt Barnes or Ronnie Brewer for less than that. If Chills wants more money, then maybe Sund can SNT Chills for a bench player and a pick.

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MC, great timing on this blog…I guess I got to raise my hand…because I tried to make a comment about LD confidence in the previous blog…but it got ate up.

Yeah, you right…you got to give LD some credit…dude got some swagger. Maybe it’s the luxury of observing these guys as a assistance…but LD expression…looks like a guy that knows what he is up against…he looks like a mad scientist…with some mad plans…I like it. I was looking at some clips of his interview…Dude definitely come off as a HC with confidence. I was checking out his response to some questions…his body language and mannerism says he the man in charge. LD looks like he got a plan…and it isn’t the same as Woody.

However, we all know talk is cheap…no it want be that easy…but give him some credit…he is calling out the right guys. I think the difference with LD is he believes in the players…Woody always believed in his system. The 64 hundred dollar question is…can he command the respect of the guys during the game.

It not enough to get Josh to stop shooting 3s…the real key is to get Josh to understand that he is vital to the success of the team. If he can do that…then he earned his stripes.

Again, you gotta to give LD credit…he seems undaunted by the task of being a HC in the NBA. YOU CAN’T ASK FOR MORE THAN THAT!!!

HEY, GO LD…make us proooooooooooooud!!!

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Teague’s nickname was given to him during preseason last year.

Lil’ JT0

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LD sounds like a guy who is eager, well prepared and ready to lead this team. Just what this team needed.

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Raise your hand if this “Teague experiment” thing has you worried. Now raise your hand if you were one of those people who scoffed at Teague’s meager playing time last year, spouted off about him not having earned playing time because he couldn’t show you regular rotation production with “scrub minutes”, and figured he just lacked the skills to get the job done, despite the praise he got from his coach (who figured he had plenty of time before Bibby started getting run down). Now take that hand and smack yourself on the forehead. Hard.

Something tells me that will all the mentioning of “variations” by Drew in regard to his offense, he won’t have a problem implementing any necessary changes or adjustments to opposing teams, when they catch on to what the Hawks are doing. How is that for a change of pace. Actual coaching.

His defensive philosophy is better than I thought, as he will hold guys accountable for actually guarding their man. Goodbye switching defense, you won’t be missed, unless your name is Mike Bibby or Jamal Crawford. No more “hiding” people with our defensive scheme. No more 4s and 5s trying to guard 1s and 2s. At least not for possession after possession.

Thank God for a coach who calls guys out on day 1. Now Joe doesn’t have to wait until post game media interviews to do it. As much as I still think Josh needs to develop a decent midrange jumper, if Drew wants him on the block, Josh learns some solid go to moves (and gets the ball in transition more, as Drew says he should, with minimal dribbling), and it works out…then I have no complaints.

If Joe can’t get with an offensive scheme that lets him shoot less difficult shots (and makes him more effective), but limits his ball pounding and ISOs….then he can kick rocks. We don’t need a selfish player with a max contract. I’d rather have less talent and more team chemistry. Bring in Brewer/Morrow, on the double.

I never thought, and still don’t think that Childress is ever going to wear a Hawks uniform again. I’d like to be wrong (for the right amount of money, of course), but I don’t think I am, unfortunately.

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……Nesbitt for Heisman……
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Ranks as the dumbest Hawks move in history!

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MJ

Put up 300 made three pointers per day before he went home after practices – however long it took, sometimes till 11 pm. Meanwhile! Allen Iverson was holding press conferences and asking,
“Practice? Your’re talking to me?

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I hear Speedy Claxton might be available.

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If Drew can get Marvin Williams to play a full game with effort that will be a miracle in itself… Remember that Marvin was the 6th man at UNC not Jordan.

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So MC, why is it that Childress would be a sign and trade instead of sign and play for the Hawks. Hawks need him more than any other team does. If Hawks lose JJ then J.Smith is your 1st offensive scoring option. Hawks will go 20-62 if that’s the case…

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Samuel

June 16th, 2010
8:25 am

I think what Grandad is saying is the scheme doesnt execute play, players do. Its not about your offensive game plan as much as it is about how you execute….or not.

Getting it done is the bottom line but…I got to both laugh at and agree with :

robdawg08

June 16th, 2010
8:23 am

Somebody ask Larry Drew if he can play defense without a CENTER ? To quote Ron Simmons “Damn !”

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* if this issue inst addressed

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If JJ leaves wouldnt crawford become a number 1 option? Id hate to rely on 12 pts a game from horffy.

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if “if” and “ands” were pots and pans, the world would be a kitchen

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Yeah , Cars, Woodson ran play for Horford last year to which horford increased to 14 pts per game. The problem is horford cannot create his own shot, cannot shot over the bigger center in the post and must be “set up” in order to score. If we really wanted an offensive threat in the low post we could have had Stoudemire Who was and is available. I think hes some where around 21-23 pts per game. He would not need to be set up (that forces every one else to stand around) can create his own shot, draws double teams and can be a real first option.

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Josh cant shoot out side, and gets his baskets off the slash and on breaks, picks and rolls but is not a offensive night mare although he is clearly better than horford.

If JJ leaves Crawford is the only man who can create his own shot whether half court or coast to coast.

Having said that I do believe at one time or another Josh will reach super star status. If he gets an outside shot going he will be unstoppable.

If JJ leaves you have to fill that void with Crawford and Moe Evans becomes your sixth man, until the hawks can increase there roster talent. The bottom line is once JJ is gone its slim pickings.

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@BrittishAnger: “Oh….and haven’t we already argued about what we should be calling Jeff Teague? Something like Lil’ Big Man? Yup…you can drop rook on the 24th if you gotta keep the albatross around his neck…it’s your popcorned vehicle….”

haha

What in the world does this mean MC ? Can we get a translator ?

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For proof just force yourself to the horrible memories of D.Howard making all those dunks in the playoffs this year, over Horford. Heck, over Horford,J.Smith,and M.Williams at the same time…

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@Urban – “This ranks as the dumbest move in Hawks history” Really? You’re putting this above the 2005 NBA Draft? You realize we can fire LD at any time if he doesn’t live up to performances and still get Casey or Jackson – it’s not like anyone else is courting them right now. Whereas we have to watch Chris Paul and Deron Williams in every All-Star game for the next decade.

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http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/

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@drmaryb – without JJ, Horford is our #1 scoring option? What? This season, Crawford averaged 18.0 and Smoove averaged 15.7 to Al’s 14.6 ppg. And implementing an offense with more movement is certainly going to decrease low-post opportunities for Horford to score. Plus, only Hakeem and Wilt have ever led scoring for their team at center.

If Horford becomes our first option on offense, we’re all screwed.

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MC,

How are the draft prospects doing?? I thought we would have heard something about them by now.

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Yeah passing on C.Paul & D.Williams to draft a 6th man like Loaf was the worst move ever made by the Hawks (no)braintrust.

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Robdawg08

I NEVER read or heard L.D. EVER say Josh would be his #1 option? That is a LIE!

How would he know who the #1 option, IF he doesn’t know if JJ will resign or NOT?
Much less, who will make the roster?

Why put your spin on this – or words in his mouth? Go – Figure.

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Its not “throwing Teague to the wolves”. Its time for Teague to step up, assert his game and shed that “turnover Teague” mentality . He should not be the turnover factory who can be a ball hog and doesn’t know how to run an offense. He should be more refined after last year. He should not be “thrown to the Wolves” he should be a Wolf!

Okay…

1) Don’t you want to know if you have a wolf or not, from day 1? The only way to find out is to throw him out there. And I don’t mean mostly during garbage minutes. During one five game stretch last year, in which Teague got significant minutes, he looked very much like a wolf. The rest of the time, he looked like any rook getting 9 or 10 garbage minutes a game is likely to look. Secondly, explain to me how a guy who averaged 1.7 assists per game, and 0.7 turnovers per game, is a turnover machine. That’s nearly a 2.5 to 1 assist/turnover ratio, which isn’t bad for a rookie, and a guy who some think might not be a “baller.” By the way, it’s not a turnover when you pass the ball to a guy, but he fumbles it and misses his shot…

2) It was by design that Teague would sit under Bibby his first year and then split time next year and take over by play offs. Bibby sign a 3 year contract and it was explained that when the hawks drafted a guard what his role would be.

Really? This is what Sund and Woody agreed on? Looks like somebody has insider knowledge that the rest of us don’t have. Either that, or they are full of it. At any rate, Sund and Gearon both made comments about Teague’s playing time (uh, lack of ) after we got booted from the playoffs and as Woody was told he wouldn’t be extended. Hmmmm….makes the above assertion sound like…BS…

3) Teague has had ample time to get game experience grow up (pull your pants up over your butt), learn about the pro game and watch some of the best guards in the NBA and also play against some. Not only did he see JJ ,Bibby, Crawford but he saw little Nate Robinson shred us under the basket like little Tony Parked did the year before. He should know by now that a good point guard will break down interior post defenses and with his quickness that’s what will be expected of him.

Ample time to watch, less ample time to get game experience. Even Woody said it was hard being a rookie and not getting playing time. But why mention what Woody said when it will only get twisted by someone who can’t accept the truth. Here’s my favorite part:

He should know by now that a good point guard will break down interior post defenses and with his quickness that’s what will be expected of him.

Really? Did he learn that from Bibby? OH, and here I was thinking that there was no such thing as a good pg breaking down our interior post defenses, it was all just Horford sucking as a defender. All this time it was pgs blowing past our perimeter defenders and breaking down our interior defense! FINALLY, the truth is revealed and accepted! What a breakthrough!

….try and back off of THAT one. The only way out of this jam is to tell a bigger, bolder lie than usual, or falsely accuse me of twisting words (instead of quoting you and making you chew, swallow, and digest it).

4) like it or not we are not going to win a championship with a power forward named horford as your center. (sorry Florida fans) he’s neither wise enough, strong enough, big enough nor has the defensive tools necessary to lead us to the promise land. What he brings is a career 12 pts per game, 9 rebounds less than 1/2 a block for every foul he commits. He failed to garner any votes from the league coaches who analyzed his defense lack of skill (ok sautee he got 1 mysterious vote).
He may be a very popular guy, but if you get past the hype and look at the numbers he doesn’t bring very much offensively and is a noodle defensively. Popularity don’t win ball games.

Half a block for every foul he commits? What the “F” kinda stat is that? And I guess Dwight Howard isn’t wise, strong, tough, or in possession of the necessary defensive tools either, because Orlando hasn’t won the championship either. Didn’t they almost get swept by the team we beat 4 times in the regular season, right after sweeping us? Man, who would have thought it possible that such an awesome center would let that happen. After all, it always comes down to the center and no one else, right?

Looks like the NBA championship is going to be won by either a team with a center with really bad knees, or a team with a center who didn’t make the all-star team (and oddly enough, hurt his knee last night). Either team will win because of either a wing player or a power forward. Go figure.

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DRMARYB,

It is a lie. But you have to understand that there is only one person who is posting under several different names, all of whom agree with and appreciate what the so called others are saying. Quite simple and retarded really.

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What’s your point ? Gasol/Bynum & R. Wallace are all good centers on the championship teams. They don’t have a Zaza Pachulia.

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Face it, the Hawks have one player that would start on the Lakers or Celtics 9or Magic,Nuggets,Suns,etc.,etc. for that matter) Al Horford.

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truth serum will now call me Big Gay

June 16th, 2010
9:55 am

NO, I will save the big gay for special, well deserved occasions. Actually you and Drmaryb have offered excellent view and I appreciate you guys being here.

OK we disagree on Horford. Nuff said

I wont call you a lier or gay although you may be both. I just say I appreciate that we disagree, point out a case where you are clearly lost and move on.

If you do you research and stop writing with your emotions you will find than horfords foul to block shot ratio is .41 that is for every foul he commits he has .41 blocks. Now you do the math. in order to get to a 1 block( 3X.41= 1.21) it takes 3 fouls for horford.

Sorry

Have a nice day Blue Ray!

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there he goes again

June 16th, 2010
9:59 am

Is that the legendary “BROWN OOZE OF UNDERSHORTS” AKA SAUTEE?

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Yeah teague got close to ten minutes a game. And watch many guards brake Al down in the post so year he should have learned how to break down teams in the post.

Lets not have any of these weak asise feminine excusesl Lets be men and get the job freaking done!
Give teague the ball and either raise up and assert your game on a NBA level or give that spot to some one who will.

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Check that they got to the finals because the had a center we did not because we dont!

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hhhhi, mamamama – my nanananan-name iiiiiii-is THE one and only lalalalallala-LARRY DADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADA- DREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!

at least post game press conferences should be entertaining. heh

one really interesting thing LD mentioned was about how marvin is a rhythm player. but with so many hawks players playing 1 on 1 it was almost impossible for him to contribute anything to the team offensively… i always thought marvin would be better suited coming off screens in a motion offense. i can’t wait to see how LD puts this team in a position succeed offensively

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JC

Throw last seasons offensive numbers out the window! That’s the past and that was Mr. Woodson’s system!
Moving forward, L.D. Is describing an offensive scheme (something I have yet to see in the past six years)
My major peeve with that was, there were no clearly defined roles on this team.

If you run a fundamental offensive scheme, the idea is to play inside out: I interpret that to mean, establish an inside game down low and typically involves the #5 then #4 as scoring threats for high percentage baskets. Then it should loosen up the perimeter defense to allow some shots outside the paint. Which to me, means the SG and PG. The wings should be slashing and rebounding at all times.

Since Horford and Josh are our front court, you can do the math.

Response?

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Response?

LMAO!

question drmaryb, do you thing Al can create his own shot? shoot over centers taller than him? Force bigger centers off the block?

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woodson part II has the intelligence level of woodson part I… what a dolt

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honest_abe

June 16th, 2010
10:37 am

woodson part II has the intelligence level of woodson part I…an apple never fall far from the tree.

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BTTF….not possible. Other teams can’t even talk about Joe, much less to him, until a week after the draft. No way to use him to get in, or up, in this month’s draft.

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at lease he has a plan so let’s see what happen.

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@drmaryb, undersized centers who are the number one scoring threats on their team are usually the result of run-and-gun offenses. I don’t know what LD’s new offensive system will be, but I doubt it will involve the break.

Additionally, Horford’s scoring opportunities might go up if we had a solid pass-first floor general like Nash or Kidd, where they could dish to him inside and have him put up uncontested shots. Unless Teague is actually 2008-09 Devin Harris in disguise, I don’t see that happening.

The only way for Horford to increase his scoring opportunities in any offensive scheme LD is likely to implement is to score in the post against centers, something which Woody Part II has pointed out is an uphill battle for Horford.

Don’t get me wrong – I want Horford to be successful. I just don’t think he’s the answer if JJ leaves.

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“If you run a fundamental offensive scheme, the idea is to play inside out”

That is one way, I think its the best way!

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Often time people worship a player and never deal with reality.

here are Al’s career stats:

Career 229 225 33.3 .527 .143 .753 9.6 2.1 .8 1.1 12.

THE REALITY IS HE BLOCKS 1 SHOT PERGAME

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Glad to hear that he’s holding Bibby accountable for defending his own man. Oh did I just say Bibby? Sorry. I meant he’s holding the team accountable. And why is Mario West still on this team? Or in the NBA for that matter?

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Wow the blog has really fallen off the rails here.

Michael- I agree with Ill’s statement earlier that Drew hasn’t been asked the right questions, yet. But mine are slightly different.

I want to here his answer to how he views the season vs. playoffs last year (I want to hear if he will admit the historic collapse in the second round or just coach speak around it.)
I would then ask what were specifically the failings in the playoffs that lead to that historic collapse.
Then, I would ask why if he has the answers now does he consider himself responsible for either not pushing his ideas or not recognizing the situation sooner. What is his responsibility in coaching a team that had the WORST SECOND ROUND DEFEAT IN NBA HISTORY?
Does he just hide behind the “it was all Woody’s fault” ’cause he wouldn’t listen?
If that is true will he listen to his assistants better?
Finally, Why should the fans trust that he has any better solutions to our teams problems when either a) his finger prints were already all over the team’s failures or b) as an assistant for six years he saw the problems but couldn’t(wouldn’t?) fix them?

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Is Marvin supposed to be part of the “5 man attack team”? And did Woody actually tell Josh to play on the perimeter? If he likes to play in the post so much, why is he always standing at the 3 pt line?

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Yea, and did Woody tell Josh to try to run the break and dribble off his leg or argue every call or JJ to hold the ball despite 3 men guarding him or Marvin to “fall down” so much. Oh yea, he could have benched them and subbed Mo Evans or ZaZa or Joe Smith or Mario West or “Pig Foot” Collins. maybe then we would be in the Finals.

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Josh has been an excellent finisher on the break!

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Funny as hell listening to the sour grapes types. Flip Saunders got run out of Detroit because he couldn’t get the Pistons players to pay attention to him after a while. Mike Brown apparently couldn’t get the Cavs to do so. Scott Skiles experienced that in Chicago. Same with Woody.

Once the players quit buying into what you’re selling, you have just become ineffective and a waste of money. That’s why so many coaches experience the “short shelf life” in this league. If the players aren’t listening, then why keep you employed? People pay to see the athletes, the guys who do all the things some of y’all correctly keep saying the coach can’t do for them.

Wake me up when a team trades off or signs up guys based on whether or not they will listen to the team’s head coach. Only a handful of guys have that kind of clout, and even then it’s got to be a clear cut case of a disruptive player who is not worth the production he provides.

It’s why Amare Stoudamire hasn’t been traded. It’s why Rick Carlisle is in Dallas, and not Avery Johnson, who if he was as great as people think, would still have a job. It’s why Zach Randolph still makes over $10 million a year.

Stop moaning over Woodson, whose system came into question by the general manager and owners (and players). The same thing will happen to countless more coaches, maybe even Larry Drew. In the meantime, he deserves the chance to see if he can do what Woody did not.

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Yea, and did Woody tell Josh to try to run the break and dribble off his leg or argue every call or JJ to hold the ball despite 3 men guarding him or Marvin to “fall down” so much. Oh yea, he could have benched them and subbed Mo Evans or ZaZa or Joe Smith or Mario West or “Pig Foot” Collins. maybe then we would be in the Finals.

That ain’t the question. The question is why wasn’t Woody able to convince those guys to stop doing things like that? Josh has been creating turnovers off the break and arguing calls for six years. Joe has been holding the ball too long for five years. This starts in practice, and it starts in YEAR ONE. A coach on any level should know that. You don’t have to be a coach to know that.

This is what happens when you allow too much freedom on the court. And if you think the team is going to trade away the players because they won’t listen to the coach, think again. Quit blaming it on having a subpar bench. Our bench is better than the Lakers bench, and that’s a fact.

Marvin Williams’ flops are a direct result of Billy Knight’s flawed “I’m a genius in my own mind” vision. He is good at picking a certain type of forward. Unfortunately, he could not get out of that narrow minded focus. Pick a damn pg and stop listening to your coach who vastly prefers a veteran, shooter-but-not-penetrator, and you might still have a job. That and we wouldn’t be talking about giving the reins to an unproven mid-first-round pick and hoping our highest lottery pick in the last decade can turn into a guy who contributes regularly as a rotation player.

And YES, for those who will inevitably mention it, that would have meant no AL Horford. At least then we wouldn’t have to hear all this rubbish about how he’s not a center, and we need a center, we don’t want an all-star power forward, wah, wah waaaaah!

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Exit stage left, I’ll be back for more canniblogging later….

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That easy huh Ray. We’ll see how easy it is, won’t we now. 53 wins and the 2nd round. Any Ole coach can do that. OK

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Truth-serum,

If I have something to say to you, I’ll do it as Sautee. I don’t have to hide behind a different blog name, and I don’t.

Nice try, but wrong again.

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Samuel,

I’m not saying it’s easy. And I dont know if Drew is the right hire either, but time will tell. I think it will be very challenging for Drew to win 53 games and get to the second round this season (depending on what Sund does with the roster).

What I am saying, is that despite the winning, there was no accountability. And in the second round, we lost by 101 points combined. As I’ve said before, it’s not all Woody’s fault, because the layers quit on him. And thats unacceptable from professionals.

That being said, it was time for a change, because the players were no longer listening to Woody. And it’s a whole lot easier to change one coach than it is to trade your best players and get something in equal value.

If you were Rick Sund, what would you have done?

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Woody needed to go, no ifs ands or buts about it. I just wanted a CLEAR upgrade. And right now, there truly is no good reason to believe that his former assistant who couldn’t persuade his boss to do some nifty things, who ultimately took a lower salary than Woody and who spent the last 6 years as one of the voices leading this team with rifts throughout the lockerroom…. is a clear upgrade. That isn’t Drew’s fault, he didn’t hire himself nor set the budget for a head coach. Unfortunately, attentive fans have legit reasons to be skeptical about how the ASG handles their business. And Drew’s hiring didn’t cast a vote in the “I have confidence in my favorite team’s ownership group” bucket.

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Good one Samuel I may have to steal that one….”Pig Foot Collins” LMAO.

Whts up everybody,Ray,Drmaryb,Astro,Ken Strick,O’brien etc………….. Would love to stay and chat but today is move in day, gotta get my index finger ready for the movers. “Move that here move that there” I hate moving uuuugh!!! Good day

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Also, Crawford, Evans, and Bibby (who’ll be easier to move then) will potentially be off the books, so its nothing to say the Hawks couldn’t sign Joe this season (2-3 mil less than max) and still sign Carmelo if he becomes a free agent.

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Something about Larry Drew just makes me feel good all over, no homo.

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Midtown Mike has just come out the closet………..and he couldn’t find his Hawks jersey.

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Since this is not Woody’s team anymore and being that some of us are still in a subconscious state of Woody withdrawal symptoms; to those folks, I say you should get a grip, take a deep breath, relax and find a way to move on (which apparently has been very hard to do). Like participating in an AA group, perhaps we need to turn this Blog into a group therapy session to help these people get pass Woody; so instead of saying something like, “My name is John Doe and I am a recovering alcoholic, they may need to acknowledge something like this, “My name is John Doe and I am a recovering Woody Hater or Lover”. Like an alcoholic, the best way to recover is to acknowledge the problem. As with most alcoholic, these folks want to just blend-in and pretend to be normal, but there is one sure way of spotting them out in this blog group. For example, if bloggers have already pigeon-hold LD (before the 2010-2011 season tip-off) as being Woody Version 2, then they have found refuge in securing a new place for their emotions. Psychologically, they have just transferred their hate or love of Woody from one object to another. They can then proceed to vent in admiration or anger as if nothing has really change. However, the emotions act in an inverse way. For example, those folks who loved Woody will likely hate LD and those folks who hate Woody will likely love LD. Incidentally, to those folks with neutral feelings for either, this does not apply. Yes a healthy amount of concern is expected with any degree of coaching change, but when the emotions are more then casual at this point before LD has even named his staff then this kind of therapy may be necessary.

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I was at working and thought of something. The biggest thing that can be said of Larry Drew is how does Bibby feel about him. For all of Bibby’s fault, he has been around a lot of good coaches in his career (and life @ home). It would be a good argument to say Bibby is one of the smartest players to play for the Hawks since Doc Rivers. If Bibby truly endorses Drew, then I think Drew will do a good job. The reason I say this is because majority of the other players have only played for one or two coaches their entire career (Zaza, Josh, Al, Marvin, Teague, Mario, Randolph,) so they only know he’s better than Woody, nothing more than that. Also, Bibby can possibly become one of the league’s best reserve PGs.

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Looks like the Woodson lovers are going through Woody withdrawal. He is gone get over it. As always the only thing Woodson lovers seem to bring up is that the team won 53 games. Thats nice but it means crap when you get absolutely destroyed in the second round. Hell they barely made it out of the first. The guys stopped listening to him. I guess Sund was supposed to trade the whole team just so he could keep Woodrow here. Woodrow probably coached here 3 years more than any other team would have let him. Like doc and Ken said, Sund gave him the rope and he choked himself. And what could the assistants do if Woodson wouldn’t listen to them. Hell it ain’t like they didn’t try to leave because I think at least 3 tied to get out of here. Drew pretty much said in his press conference what others have tried to say on here, as an assistant all you can do is offer your input its up to the coach to listen or ignore it. Woodson came out numerous times and said his assistants tried to convince him to do other things but he wouldn’t. In the playoffs one of the reporters asked Woodrow was he going to try do something different since his plan wasn’t working. This cat said no and that he was going to keep doing what got them there. Although it was obvious to anybody watching the playoffs that his approach was not working he was too stubborn to even try something new. How much more evidence do you need to see that he rarely if ever used input from others. The reason Woodson no longer coaches this team is his own fault. 6 years as coach still no offensive system, played favorites, didn’t hold everyone accountable, wouldn’t listen to his assistants, lack of adjustments, questionable use of the bench, was always putting guys in the dog house, didst get along with half of the team. All of this and guys are still mad he is gone? Get over it or just wait till he gets a new gig and go support the team he coaches.

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CP-AMEN TO THAT!!!! I guess for some,it’s hard to distinguish politics from basketball. Otherwise, how do you explain people actually following, believing, and taking someone like Sarah Palin seriously. Aren’t we still waiting for her to name a single book, magazine or article she’s ever read?

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Bottom line Drew was the cheapest thing on the market & the Hawks bit on it……I wish Drew all the success and pray’s he does a great job! I don’t see it…..Josh is the problem, not Woodson, managerment is the problem, not Sund! Hawks want to play at the big boy table, but don’t have the big boy money!

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Dashizz357

Drew was NOT on the market – he was in the BUILDING! He wasn’t hard to find.
There was no: Buyer Beware! No box of chocolates! They KNEW what they were gonna get!

Because, this is his first crack at it, turns out he comes affordable. I call that a WIN – WIN for everyone – Fans included! Why not embrace the positives? Or, does that require too much effort and character?

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Strickland (get well) and how much doom and gloom were you predicting during the regular season? I am NOT mad at Drew… I hope that he becomes the winningest coach in our franchise’s history. It’s not his fault that after declaring that the relationship with Woody needed to end, the ASG went out and hired his lead assistant. And with the vast number of instances where a failed head coach was replaced by a first time head coach who previously served as an assistant to that failed head coach, i can see why so many are so optimistic. I mean, how many times has that worked out in the last 20 years?

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Based on my “limited knowledge” of the search, Drew was not my 1st
choice but neither was he my last. I was and to some degree still am
concerned about RS getting over-ruled.

Having said all that, My impressions of LD have been 100% positive.
He is at leaast addressing what we guys (& gals) have been carping
about for years.

Offense:
movement, player & ball, utilize all 5 guys, attack, play Teaguer.
Defense:
hold “everyone accountable.
Josh:
put his butt near the rim.
Players:
communicate – simple isn’t it.
Philosophy / Plan / System:
He has one.
Who plays?:
competion for pos. & time.

What else could we ask for?

If I were interviewing – I probably would have hired him as well;
based on what I now know.

Go Hawks
&
Hang in there Celts !!!

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G-Pops no need 2 b self concious
If the C’s ain’t up at least by six at the end of the third we’re in trouble.We have to jump on the Lakers early and not let them shake loose.

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FIRE WOODY

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The hawks will get over the hump when ownership is prepared to really invest in the team. In business you have to spend money to make money, while in this arena sometimes you have to take calculated risks. In the draft we always wait to see who falls to us instead of making moves to get who we want. In free agency, we wait til last minute and let market decide what someone is worth and then often end up gettin left overs. And although I think Drew is a good choice, we just took the cheapest coaching option. If there was a way penny pinching could get you championships I’m sure someone would have written a book by now.

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AJ, I don’t blame LD for the way the ASG conducted their coaching search…I have my trepidation too…but give LD credit…he doesn’t have that deer in the head light look…Dude is coming out swinging…and he got some swagg…U GOTTA LOVE IT.

I don’t see this cat shaving his head, and cutting off his eyebrows to get his team attention. lol

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MC, I see they got the filters running strong…I can’t believe I got one through…tha killing me. lol

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Drew has been quoted as saying his offense is unique. He has also been quoted as saying that Joe dislikes defending the kind of offense he proposes to run so Joe should like playing offense in his system. While I suppose a small wrinkle in the Princeton or some other movement based offense might qualify it as unique, it seems these two statements contradict one another.

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Sautee, I was finally able to get something through…MC had yo folk shout out.

Ken, I went through a similar ordeal when I first came to the blog…Doc and few others may remember…laughter was my receipt for success. Keep blogging…and keep laughing…it will pull you through.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16/closes-park-land-mexico-border-americans/

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In their rush to resend him, I hope the ASG doesn’t put JJ in this distinguish group

As so many have already mentioned; we can certainly use his talent but not at mortgaging the future of the team. The question is not can we use JJ. The question really is at what cost based on what we already know about him? As for our record being on the line without him:

Sometimes you have to step back to move forward.

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Clyde. You’ll get rich these next few years.

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ok samuel when do we cook em up. i’ll bring the hush puppy prep and beer or ice tea.

samuel cant say i know who replaces him just i dont know if it hurts us in the end if we max him. my boy rick gets to figure that one out while we eat. heh heh

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MIKE IS BACK-thanks for the encouragement. You don’t know how it makes me feel to hear that from you. A few yrs back, I had a stress induced stroke, and was depressed to the point of wanting to commit suicide. I woke up one morning and sitting in a chair next to my bed was an old flame from my high school days still looking good.

Well, she told me that she had suffered a stroke also, and that I could beat it. Man, that was all I needed to hear. To me, at that moment, she was the most beautiful person in the world, and represented everything that was possible as far as my potential recovery was concerned. I doubt if you’re as physically beautiful as she was, but you’re still beautiful to me in the same way she was with her encouragement and inspiration. THANKS!!!

SAMUEL-for some HC’s and teams, winning 53gms is easy, for others it’s not. And for your information, we did win 53gms in spite of Woodson, which is why ownership decided there was no need to resign him? Both ownership and RSund saw enough during the last 2 trips to the playoffs to know Woodson was totally unable to coach under playoff conditions. They also saw that during the playoffs, the team was unable to over come Woodson and win a single gm, or even be competitive past the 1st rd for 2 consecutive yrs.

The thinking was, this team finished 4th with 47 wins and 3rd with 53 wins, respectively, and advance to the 2nd rd both yrs. And it managed to do it with a stubborn, inflexible, narrow minded HC that insisted on playing a slow, inconsistent, over the hill, DEF liability at PG, and an inconsistent offensively limited SF. How could the team not get better with a HC that’s willing and able to do all of the things Woodson was unwilling and/or unable to do, like get more consistency and production at PG and SF.

I’M SURPRISED YOU CAN’T FIGURE THAT OUR. But I guess you’re still grieving for you beloved WOODY.

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Samuel,

I’ll say this about Woody. He was a better coach for the regular season, but not a good coach for the playoffs. In my opinion, if we had another coach last season, I don’t think we would have won 53 games (probably win less). But if we had another coach, I don’t think we would have lost by 101 points to Orlando in the second round (games would have been closer). Just my opinion…

Truth,

Looking at the list of overpaid players, you can’t help but wonder what those GMs were thinking. If Philly had offered Josh the 5 years, $80 mil (instead of Brand), would Hawks have matched?

As for the JJ discussion, I would not offer him the max. I agree that there is no way we can replace everything that JJ gives us, and losing him would be a step back. But I’m afraid of giving him a max deal only to see him break down in year 3. And its not like the ASG will have the money to surround him with the players needed to win a championship.

Salmons cannot replace what JJ gives us. But if the choice is Salmons for 3 years, $24 mil, or JJ for 5 years, $90 mil, I think that will be a tough choice to make.

But thats why they pay Rick Sund the big money, to make those decisions. I am looking forward to the off-season.

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KEN WOODSON GONE LET YOUR MIND MOVE ON, DUDE YOU REALLY HAD A HARD ON FOR THE DUDE. GET SOME COUNSELING

DUDE, LETS MOVE FORWARD. DAM. IS THAT YOUR WAKING THOUGHTS?.

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samuel to continue, i will say if we had owners with deeper pockets it would make this all a bit simpler on the math side. we know there is a budget and as in the braves it will be kept. as far as i am concerned, their lack of free cash flow hurt us with chills and will probably hurt us with jj. remember we had mo/flip to replace chills though it was more mo as the cheaper 2/3 alternative off the bench rather than chills. it might come down to signing two to be one instead of jj. i

n the end folks argued chills wouldnt have meant any more wins. as a sixth man i guess one could argue it didnt matter until maybe the post season. in the case of losing jj it will be a harder sell, to say it wont cost us wins. it will also make drew’s job more difficult. if he earns his chops and approaches the won total of 53 without jj then we may be callling him a genius. if he doesnt i am going to repeat that woody was assisted mightily in his quest of 53 wins by essentially having no adversity when it came to injuries. if you remember i said we would finish higher than the celts this year because our team wouldnt have the injury probs the celts would be destined to have without calling us a better team. i think i called it on that one and woody got the benefit of it short term but not in another contract deal as we were not prepared at all to play against the best in the tournament, not at all. that fell at the coaches feet and left him bare in the end to try and say why, other than they were unprepared. not a good enough answer for the asg.

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Ken, thanks bro…glad I could put some sunshine in your day!!

bigdave, yeah, I was surprised LD was the first candidate to get interviewed…I also was surprise to learned that Sund and LD had some history together working in Detroit…that may have help LD case too.

Samuel, I attended one of my best friends Wedding in Miss…Gosh Darn…they got some beautiful women in Miss. They was genuine and pure…the city life hadn’t ruin them…they was nothing like these ATL super stars. I might have to come eat some fish too.lol

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Mike is Back, if Drew makes it to year 4 or 5 of his coaching tenure, let’s see what tricks he pulls out of his hat to motivate his team. Let’s face it, every new coach has a plan. Reggie Theus had a plan. Michael Curry had a plan. Marc Ivaroni had a plan. If you were the head coach of the Hawks, you would have a plan. What I find a little discouraging is that we haven’t read anything that we didn’t already know. We haven’t read anything that leaves us thinking “wow, he has a very deep understanding of this team’s issues”. He has even said “most fans can see the issues with this team”. I need a coach who has been with the squad for 6 years to have a little more insight than what attentivefans see on TV. Surely the lack of effort on defense was more than an accountability issue, was it related to poor practice habits? Were the 4th quarter meltdowns all about a poor offensive scheme (that worked in the 1st 3 quarters) or was poor conditioning an issue? Was Josh playing on the perimeter by design or because he was allowed too much freedom which will be addressed by designing more specific plays? Did we go into iso mode because the coach called those plays or because our PG called those plays too often? Did players stand still in iso mode because that was the design or because they learned not to expect any passes? The analysis we have received thus far goes about 2-3 uinches deep…. about the same as the blogs around here. Where is the root-cause analysis that he uniquely can provide as opposed to any other coaching candidate?

His stated defensive philosophy is “guard your man or else”. Pardon me if that answer leaves me wanting for more.

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M.E. /*PS – I eat cornbread every day.

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Wonder what it is about coaches like Popovich, PJackson, and Sloan that players don’t appear to ’stop listening’ to them after 3-4 years. Wonder what it is about managers like Cox, Torre, and Leyland that players don’t appear to ’stop listening’ to them after 3-4 years. Auerbach, Shula, Lombardi, Belichick, Shanahan,…

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Ken,

I hope that you beat your latest health episode but in all honesty, judging by your attitude here, you might be bring many of them on your self. You seem to be very bitter and stubborn which can lead to stress which never helps. Humble yourself son and you might be healthier son.

53 wins is easy for some coaches huh. I guess that does put Woody in the elite category then. Brown,SVG,Woody,Phil,Carsisle, Gentry,Karl, Sloan. Pretty good company.

Sure, it’s their money. We’ll see if they did the right thing soon enough.

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Astro-Man

Cont’d. (Tech. Difficulty on Blackberry)

CINDITIONING? That warrants a further look – see. Did, you notice at the press conference when Josh walked
through the door way, L.D. Acknowledged his presence and as pictured, patted his belly and said lose 10 lbs and stay off the perimeter and in the paint!

That was the first time I EVER heard anyone mention conditioning: oh wait …. I have heard one blogger say repeatedly that Biibby was FAT & that Collins eats CHEESEBURGERS! Conversely, I also, heard an ABC commentator say that Ray Allen has NOT eaten a cheeseburger in over 8 (maybe more) Years!

What was Mr. Woodson’s philosophy on playing weight and player conditioning. And, more importantly,
Will (and it appears he will), L.D. Be a stickler for these specific issuies. BTW, he himself appears to be in
Fantastic shape! I would make a rule: no fried chicken and cheeseburgers allowed in the building – PERIOD!

Corn Bread? YES! Bring it on! BTW, I rarely eat any bread t all, but If I do? It’s old fashioned cornbread & not that Jiffy cake bread crap either. I make mine from scratch and with steamed cabbage! Mmmm Good!

Now, I’m hungry!

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dr. mary, you lost me at no cheeseburgers.

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I got RayRay by about 10 years on the read meat.

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Astro Joe

Go to your room and NO cheeseburger for you! Bad Bad Boy! ROF. LOL.

You made some awesome points in that 10:00 Post. Especially the conditioning part!
I would really like to hear more about the teams conditioning program!

I see Kobe and Dwight working out on NBA TV. Tuesday night during the games half-time show, I watched Mr. Aldridge and Dwight do a segment. Dwight works out so much on his body, that the team owner and GM ran him out of the building and told him he was over training his body and to please go home!

Have you ever heard of such a thing? More specifically at Phillips Arena?

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Gee Mack

Get ‘EM! Drop that FOOL!

I didn’t. Know Samuel “rhymes with: Go To Hell!”. Said that ISH?
I just read his Nasty, Demoralizing and In-HUMANE statement: Where is the BLOG monitor when you need one?

Samuel, Sir, your statement was PURE EVIL! There is NO place for you on this BLOG IMHO!
You can take your CRASS comments and “SCROLL ON” to another BLOG somewhere else!
I WILL NEVER read another comment from you! Unfortunately, you can create a new email and change your name and continue on here to continue to be the imposter that you are! But, your soul will be forever remembered as EVIL! You should just leave us ALL alone and pray for yourself and hope you are never stricken with prostate cancer. May God, forgive you as I do as well! But, you Sir are in serious danger as a human being!

May God Bless You!

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Childress would be a nice fit in Drew’s ball movement offense. Just sayin.

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DRMARYB-you must be psychic. I was told to incorporate more fish into my diet, and not just fried fish, which I love. THANKS FOR THE LOVE MY DEAR!!

I wish more Hawk fans would express the same well wishes and positive attitudes toward our new HC LDrew that you’re expressed towards me. We’re both have a major task ahead of us. He not only has to incorporate a new OFF and DEF, he has to incorporate an entirely new mindset and approach with the players.

It’s been made public that the majority of the players, at the least, weren’t happy with the way things were going under the old regime, even with the overall success the team was having. I certainly hope none of the players have, or end up with, the same negative attitude and apprehension towards LDrew that’s been expressed by some of our fans on these blogs.

LDrew commented that he’d used some of his offensive philosophies during practice sessions, and that all of the players seemed to like it. He also stated that it was up to the HC to decide whether to use what’s available, or what’s been presented. Well, the unwillingness to incorporate any of his OFF into the mainstream OFF might have been what led players to become frustrated and resort to playground ISO’s.

When a better option has been demonstrated to work, and has been made available to you, and you’re not allowed to avail yourself of it, for no logical reason, you do tend to question, and ultimately lose respect for, the person making the decision not to use it. Personally, based on Drew’s offensive philosophy, I can’t wait for next season.

I simply love the idea of having 5 players attacking the DEF, rather than the previous philosophy of having one player trying to attack 5. As far as Teague is concerned, I think he’ll do just fine. I noticed he demonstrated a different attitude towards Woodson than ALaw, when receiving the WOODY TREATMENT. With him, you saw frustration, but with Stuademire and ALaw, you saw more anger and resentment.

Of course, Teague only endured 1yr of that crap, so he’ll likely still have his confidence and motivation intact. And knowing he’ll get an actual opportunity to play more mins and a chance to start, rather than a lot of BS lip service, there has to be a major element of excitement for him entering the upcoming season.

I’m also certain MWilliams will be excited about entering the upcoming season, knowing an offensive system will be installed that won’t render him as nothing more than an after thought.

SAMUEL-if JJ returns, please tell me what HC LDrew could possibly do wrong, or what could go wrong, other than injuries, that could prevent him from coaching the Hawks to 53 or more wins, making the playoffs for the 4th consecutive yr, advancing to the 2nd rd of the playoffs for the 3rd consecutive yr, and actually being competitive?

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Saw this trade on a forum. Said there were interests from both teams.

Hawks get: Carlos Delfino(expiring contract) and a filler
Bucks get : Josh Childress(s&t)

I’d do it in a heartbeat if the filler was Stackhouse or Mbah a Moute.(Bench depth) Might as well sign Kurt Thomas while were snatching up Bucks players. lol!

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Ken S.

Yes, and I read on a cancer treatment web-site that cooked tomatoes has tremendous impact on killing the
P.C. cells as well! I sent you that link already.

I am really warming to our new HC. I have always supported whoever the HC has been regardless.
As a fan, I don’t want to ge the GM too. Besides, I have no insight into the team’s day to day operations nor the behind the scenes practices and locker room environments!

I just want to see a great team play great and not turn it into my job to fix their issues!
I have issues of my own in my own reality.

Just put a WINNER on the court and I’ll worry about the tickets, popcorn, cherry-cokes and transportation.

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AJ, LD doesn’t look like A MAGICIAN., and I’m not looking for any MAGIC. These guy will have to buy in, or it will be all for not.

HECK, if he makes it through the first four months…he would be making progress. With building a staff, FA, and the draft on his doorsteps…he might be a tad busy…again, give him credit…he’s hit ground running. Finally someone with a pulse. I WANT TO SEE WHATZUP!!

Surely, there is time for more specific…after he has address these pressing issues. lol

CMON MAN. heh heh

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MIKE IS BACK-your last comment has be laughing as I type, WELCOME BACK, MAN!!

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